protection

[warm plinth]

To get them away

[inland mesa]

Yeah I run with a Dk so just grip, druid root, lol at it

[warm plinth]

Plus it seems like you can still skip some shit as long as it's not the void emissary

Since that's the only one with true sight

[inland mesa]

Cc immune only adds anything on shitty packs and then like you said cc it pull back win. Only pure ass is shadow with no los and cant move it really. Can you grip it to make los easy?

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much

Probably

Real quesion is can you mc any of the adds

Ie mc arcane one

[inland mesa]

Are they humanoid and not spirit or ethereal?

Mc arcane one pull everything watch it die lol

[warm plinth]

I'm pretty confident that that's not gonna be the case.

[oblique garnet]

^

[warm plinth]

If it were, it'd be fixed almost instantly

[inland mesa]

SP nerfed because it's new meta lol

[oblique garnet]

Imagine

If you just mc it

Make it kill everyone else

shame that it disappears after 30 seconds

[lusty grotto]

oh its 15 ML ghash

[warm plinth]

👍

[lusty grotto]

ok gonna turn on the stream, i hope it works

[inland mesa]

Are there any good write ups yet on essences what to farm first, gear from raid/benethic etc? Or still too early

[warm plinth]

Doubt it; we're still probably a month away from the patch. Things could still change.

[inland mesa]

Really. You think it's that far?

[warm plinth]

Yep

Someone guessed July 10th; I think that's probably right on the nose

[oblique garnet]

I think the patch will be sooner

Probably this month

I have a rough idea as to what essences to get but will have to do some more essences

[inland mesa]

Yeah July is orientation season which is hell on earth so I need a good mindset of what I need to grind with my limited time

So if it comes out then I need to know the main ones to go hard at and try to upgrade and what gear/rep to focus on

Which ones look good @oblique garnet

[oblique garnet]

Vision of perfection as major and then lucid memory as first minor and 2nd minor aegis of the deep or sphere of succession

They have alot of synergy

But theres a chance that will change into something else

Have yet to test all the combinations so hard to say which will work out the best

[inland mesa]

This M+ or raid as well

[oblique garnet]

M+ but could work on both

I dont do the ptr raid testing and havent watched the videos about azhara so no clue what the encounters are like yet

[inland mesa]

Yeah I havent had a chance to watch much which is bad as I might get pushed into raid leading again

[exotic spoke]

You try out the one that refunds rage late?

Ah no

Nm* that is lucid. It’s what we talked about earlier

Yeah, it looks stupid good for us with anger management

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

With it we could potentially get avatar cd to 30-35 seconds @exotic spoke with vision

[exotic spoke]

I think that’s conservative

Isn’t CD reduction of vision 10 seconds?

[warm plinth]

Isn't the minor still a CDR? So you're down to 35 already from that

[lusty grotto]

fuck it

that didn't work

also i fucked up on it so

[warm plinth]

RIP

[lusty grotto]

was an ok group

[warm plinth]

If it's still 15%, it'd be 76.5 seconds @exotic spoke

So 36.5 second CD with proper play + AM

[exotic spoke]

7.65?

[warm plinth]

76.5 second base CD

Down from 90

[exotic spoke]

so, 1 proc would reduce CD by 13.5

?

[warm plinth]

Minor isn't a proc

[exotic spoke]

But its the major we're looking at

[warm plinth]

It's just a flat 15% CDR

[exotic spoke]

for Perfection

[warm plinth]

Major doesn't reduce CD anymore

They nerfed it

[exotic spoke]

You have a link to the nerf?

[warm plinth]

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/43813-patch-82-build-30669-vision-of-perfection-changes/ is the most recent thing I can find. So it's actually only 13% reduction on the minor now, not 15%

Major is 35% duration of the buff and some haste for you and allies

On rank 3

[exotic spoke]

so it would reduce the CD of avatar by 13% and when it procs itll activate for 7 seconds

[warm plinth]

Correct

So ava would have a 33.3 second CD after AM with optimal play

I miscalculated the CD on the last one because math

[exotic spoke]

So 33.3 second cooldown assuming optimal play with no additional uptime of Avatar. But since it does have additional uptime and we have rage refund

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it should easily be under 30 seconds

Which will put it in the mid 80s at least for uptime

[exotic spoke]

We are likely talking closer to 30 or sub 30 second CD. with 27 second up time (assuming 2 procs per minute at this point.

But yeah, its something stupid high up time

[warm plinth]

Yep

[exotic spoke]

I like 85% block mitigation against most attacks

What about you guys?

[warm plinth]

lol. I'll love it, until it gets nerfed somehow

[exotic spoke]

Likely why UF was nerfed again

Still feels bad man

[oblique garnet]

Well yeah i was being bit conservative on the cd

There are so many essences that have good synergy together and will most likely cause some retuning

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

[warm plinth]

Tbh I think lucid is gonna feel bad

[exotic spoke]

And we'll have additional rage gen from the extra up time of Avatar

Thats the pearlescent right?

[warm plinth]

Yeaha

[oblique garnet]

Why do you think lucid will feel bad?

[warm plinth]

Because we'll be pressing IP for no reason more

Except to spend the extra rage

[oblique garnet]

Well yeah i guess but if it proceeds to shorten avatars cd its not a bad thing

[exotic spoke]

And the extra vers

[warm plinth]

It's not bad. I just don't like pressing abilities that have no visible effect. I can handle Devastate because it's infrequent and can reset SS

But CDR is kinda invisible

[oblique garnet]

All in all im expecting the apm of prot go up by 5-10 with all the essences

[sick sentinel]

Dude

Embrace

The memes

[distant crystal]

idk about you but

[oblique garnet]

Dw i already ordered floorpedals

[distant crystal]

having more rage than i can spend sounds fantastic

bring on the IP spam

[warm plinth]

I mean we still won't be back to T21 levels of APM so it'll be fine

[sick sentinel]

Triple CR

best served cold

[exotic spoke]

all the revenge

[sick sentinel]

Spam revenge on cd

Let's go

2bom/1dc/3cr

Let's see it

Or 3 bom 2cr

actually memeing btw

[warm plinth]

inb4 someone comes in "how many CR should I be stacking for M+?"

[sick sentinel]

There is a small problem

I have so much parry chance

Revenge is basically free all the time

Actually that's not a problem

With enough parry chance and big enough packs you can go devastator since.you're not pressing devastate anymore anyway

I solved it

[distant crystal]

umm

no

[sick sentinel]

LMAO

[warm plinth]

no way, you'd take Vengeance

[distant crystal]

BV from my cold dead hands!

[oblique garnet]

Kage stop

[warm plinth]

LUL

[sick sentinel]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If anyone is lurking

Please do not take me seriously

[warm plinth]

100% MEMES IN THE PREVIOUS 10 MINUTES

[sick sentinel]

Well tbh

Since I'll get the shield that gives you a shield

Mythic warforged

I'll be stacking vers

[distant crystal]

you are not Deswind

[sick sentinel]

Sacrifice 5% of my health for 6% shield with 20% vers

Ez

[oblique garnet]

I get better shields on my shammy

[sick sentinel]

I don't even know if any of this would fucking work I am just spewing bullshit btw

[oblique garnet]

I did end up getting 420 cloak with socket on my warrior today

[sick sentinel]

I lied down to sleep like an hour ago

Big @oblique garnet

It's probably the colour

Being a golden boy gives you loot

You got 420 gloves on shammy today

[oblique garnet]

Which were not an upgrade

[sick sentinel]

And you couldn't trade

Lmao

Did you equip them at least

[oblique garnet]

No they are in my bags

[sick sentinel]

How many CR should I stack for m+

[warm plinth]

God damnit

[sick sentinel]

Lul

[warm plinth]

lol

[sick sentinel]

Baited

[warm plinth]

Well played sir

[junior ivy]

hi

[bold zinc]

How is prot Warrior lookin for m+ next tier

[spice ferry]

good

[honest frigate]

Decent still the best mitigation out of any tank

[sick sentinel]

Probably still one of the highest dpsng tanks also

[honest frigate]

We’ll have to see whether the new affix demands more utility from a different tank like pally for meta pick, but warrior will no doubt be a top pick

[quiet crane]

i think personally pally will bew top pick but warr and brew would be a close second in my books from how it looks

be*

[inland mesa]

Brew? Ewww why, I feel like I do so much less threat and damage on the brew

[quiet crane]

lol hot trub incoming

if they havnt removed it

[high wadi]

Any tanks want to queue L FR with me sometime and help me out. I haven't really done LFR before (Only lower num mythics). It would help to have some voice chat when co-tanking

Pretty much looking for an LFR tank coach 😃

[willow fractal]

on opulence does it matter if the boss is facing away from raid or not? is it better for tanks to stack on 1 side with raid on other or everyone together

[primal sable]

He doesnt cleave if thats what youre asking

[willow fractal]

yea so i ahve always stacked with my guild antoehr body to asorb coin shower but this raid im in now they insist he must be facing away so "the melee dps can crit more "

and they only have 1 pally so coin shower will be needed to be healed threw

[primal sable]

Its so they dont have their stuff parried

Eh, just stand outside with the other tank and let the rest of the raid do the soaking

[willow fractal]

how much of a dps gain would that be being able to attack from behind though? they have 1 DK 2 warr and 1 rogue but the rogue dps is so low he dont rly count

[primal sable]

I cant really tell

I just turn the boss around out of habit

And the other tank stands on me, we're both outaide the raid

[warm plinth]

It's probably not a massive amount (bosses have like 3% parry chance for non-tanks) but DPS is DPS

[last mason]

Anyone in na alliance getting terrible ping

[undone sun]

How are those connected 🤔

[high wadi]

I am in NA alliance but I am currently in Drustvar so my ping isn't too bad. Are you in Kul'Taras?

You should try going to Stormwind, you should get less ping there

[exotic spoke]

Are k values the same for block and armor?

[undone sun]

iirc it should be

[exotic spoke]

kk thought so just wanted to make sure

[ebon lagoon]

Excuse me, I have some questions about Mythic +.

If I get a key, and push it to a level where my own item level is too low to push any further, can I 'reset' my progress by running a dungeon I haven't run at M0, at M0, for a new key?

If the above happens but I can't reset with a new key, and I join a lower M+, do I not get loot if it's for an instance I've run on M+ that week already?

[spice ferry]

no you can not

[primal sable]

no

[spice ferry]

you can only get one key per week, but you can enter the dungeon and start it up with only yourself in your group, walk outside, then reset the instance and drop your key down

[primal sable]

you have a chance to get loot from any m+

they dont have a lockout

[undone sun]

Can't reset your key, loot from m+ is indefinite so it doesn't matter if you ran it before

[spice ferry]

m0 loot is once per week, m+ is infinite

[primal sable]

only way of dropping your key is to manually deplete it as many times as you want

[ebon lagoon]

I see. Thank you.

[primal sable]

no key deleting shenanigans anymore

[spice ferry]

rip key delete

[ebon lagoon]

Incidentally, what're this week's affixes?

[undone sun]

https://mythicpl.us/

[ebon lagoon]

Oh, sweet, thanks.

[quick yarrow]

Hey all, according to PTR the DPS is decreasing significantly, but it is not affecting survival skill , so protection will still be best to pick ? New to warrior

[undone sun]

according to ptr as in the patch notes?

TLDR it likely wont change the current meta, if anything the s3 will change it but i wouldn't bet on it

[quick yarrow]

Got it , ty and sorry for not checking pins before asking

[placid oar]

hi guys, would any of you happen to have a WA for a new prot warrior? i main fury but helping some friends tank and i wanna do my best so as to be fair to them

[primal sable]

couple WAs under #268491842637660160

[placid oar]

thank you Styx!

sry i did not check there first

[novel temple]

Isn’t there also a meme leech build now? @undone sun

[undone sun]

🤦 no

[ionic fern]

I like how you are now the victim of leech bullying Thyme.

😂

[undone sun]

it was inevitable

[novel temple]

Hey now

Don’t pull daddy Thyme senpai down

But I saw it somewhere else lol

Maybe it was in lepan’salso

I did notice that llarod had another one on wowhead

[undone sun]

llarold's is the main wowhead guide

lepans is just some off shoot BS

[novel temple]

Lol

Does he even come in the discord?

[undone sun]

lepan? not once have i seen him, at least not one that admited to being lepan

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[novel temple]

Ahhhhh

That solves everything

But also, can you explain this leech build 😂

[undone sun]

it's just something some streamers try to make work because more damage = more healing

[sick sentinel]

3 items with leech, siphoning on weapon and bloodsport traits and you reach 10%leech

And it's bad

[undone sun]

no "acclaimed" theorycrafter would side by it, it's not viable

[novel temple]

Oh

Only 10% leech?

[ionic fern]

I'm reaching 14 percent leech with only items.😂

[novel temple]

Yeah

That’s some meme shit

At least 100% mastery worked on Argus

[undone sun]

definitely some useable meme builds in recent history

leech is not one

😄

[novel temple]

WAIT WHAT OTHER MEME BUILDS ARE THERE

[ionic fern]

Ravager + crit stack for necrotic weeks.

[undone sun]

i just mean like the 100% mastery for argus

[autumn pendant]

@ionic fern dont start again

[sick sentinel]

I just can't seem to keep aggo

aggro

when I"m out of avatar

since I have to kite so much

make sure to revenge and spread deep wounds

and clap harder

I'm clapping pretty hard

you can keep aggro from range by tabbing and heroic throwning

and I always revenge on proc or if I"m capped on rage and IP

it has a threat modifier

ah so spam throw?

Is it bad I have only 1 BoM also?

[undone sun]

not terrible, it's not required to have multiple. and nothing's wrong with using taunt 🙃

[sick sentinel]

yes I know

I spam rotate taunt

on things that need aggro

still drops mid combat

[night crow]

What key levels are you doing?

[sick sentinel]

+14/15s

[ionic fern]

How early do you kite? If you start kiting at like 25+ stacks you should have had plenty of time to build aggro

[sick sentinel]

I kite at 30ish

35

[night crow]

Might have something to do with cycling defensives if you can’t tank long enough

[ionic fern]

Then you're definetly doing something wrong.

[sick sentinel]

no

Might be because I'm 408

[night crow]

I am too

[ionic fern]

Doubt itm

[sick sentinel]

it only happens if I don't have avatar

and I go into a pull without it

once

without using it*

[ionic fern]

Still shouldnt have issues what comp are you running with?

[sick sentinel]

it was two ret pallys and an outlaw

[ionic fern]

Well,ret does have a lot of upfront burst

[night crow]

And how big are your pulls? If they’re quite large you may be hitting 30-ish before you’ve solidified aggro

[ionic fern]

But still shouldn't be much of a issue ..as long as you tclap and revenge properly

[sick sentinel]

@ionic fern Tclap and revenge not an isue

and they are fairly big

so that might been the issue

and sometimes I have to move aroudn and I'm not running the increase range of thunderclap talent

[night crow]

What healer you running with?

[sick sentinel]

hpal

[ionic fern]

Well SOMETHING is a issue and when it's threat issues then it's either someone pulling for you or you not playing your rotation properly.

[sick sentinel]

Trust me

The rotation is not an issue

lmao

[ionic fern]

Idk...i got 0 issues with threat even on giga pulls without avatar.

[sick sentinel]

does the rogue use tricks on you?

no

[ionic fern]

Maybe your rets are pulling for you then. Hard to say without logs or anything.

[sick sentinel]

that's a problem

I'm guessing it's me not running crackling thunder when I need to move around, no trix and then their straight up burst

and low ilvl

poor gear

[night crow]

I don’t believe it’s the gear. I’m 408 running 18s

But quite possibly thunder

[sick sentinel]

what weapons/trinkets are you using

[night crow]

Just not clipping all the adds without the increase

[sick sentinel]

I have 2 IF, 1 Bloodsport, 1 DC, 1 BoM

and 1 shield slam

brace for*

[night crow]

Rezans/Gore Crusted typically

[sick sentinel]

ilvli mean

[night crow]

And 400 Crit/Haste weapon currently

Both 400

[sick sentinel]

Hmm

I guess it's just trix and crackling thunder then

what's your azerite?

[night crow]

All 400 ilvl

[sick sentinel]

BS 🤢

[ionic fern]

That tbh

[sick sentinel]

maybe I just go 3 Deafenings Kappa

[ionic fern]

3 BoMs should be your first priority

[night crow]

What else is on your blood sport piece?

[sick sentinel]

bonded soul

I need jadefire helm

jadefire helm is so good

[night crow]

Idk man. Even without tricks I don’t have issues except maybe sometimes on skittish.

Try running thunder

[sick sentinel]

What's better

[night crow]

Your T-Clap may not be hitting some of them

[sick sentinel]

bloodspart

sport*

or incite the pack

Kappa

I have seen Both Marok and Sense use Incite the pack

[night crow]

Mind PMing me a link to your armory? I could look at it

[sick sentinel]

this season

[night crow]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

bonded souls is shit right

yes

now

because it got nerfed

Well I'll use crackling then for reset

Hopefully I get the jadefire helm from alt run

probably just going to roll the shoulders

[ebon lagoon]

Excuse me - my current item level is 875, how far into M+ is this safe to push with?

[sick sentinel]

875?? probably like a mythic 500 my dude

[undone sun]

we back in legion?

time to resub

[ionic fern]

Depends on your familiarity with the class and the group you run with.

[ebon lagoon]

Al...right, let's assume I've played Prot rigorously this expansion, and don't have any option outside of pickups.

What I mean is, is there a certain level where I should let my key sit and try to farm lower key LFMs for better gear?

[autumn pendant]

Wow world first 875 BFA ilvl

[ebon lagoon]

...

375

I am sorry, that took me a second

[autumn pendant]

Its okay

Was fun

@ebon lagoon there isnt baseline on what your ilvl should be to push keys. Saying that, with ilvl 375 you need more gear anyway

[sick sentinel]

i dunno. i did a 10 for completion the first week my warrior was 120 at like 370 ilvl and it went fine. you could farm 5s to get 385 pieces if you want

oh and if you have to pug you need more gear to get into groups anyway

[spice ferry]

Mate of mine did a 16 ad this week at 380 ilvl

As a pwar

And he timed the 15 to get the 16. Gear is largely irrelevant if you play the class well

[ebon lagoon]

Well, sure, see - but as of 375 M+ is the only quick thing that'll give me reliable gear right now. Outside of trying to hit a raid before the reset Tomorrow.

[spice ferry]

Yeh if you wanna gear, smash m+

[ebon lagoon]

Ok

[spice ferry]

You can easily be 400-410 in a week

[ebon lagoon]

I got the LFR version of the Crucible trinket earlier today. Im hoping that helps to make a difference.

[spice ferry]

Two things make tanking easier

Knowing how to press your buttons in the right order

And knowing the instance you’re tanking

Both of those come with practice

So get out there and smash some keys

[ebon lagoon]

Ok.

[spice ferry]

Best advice would be to run logs for it

Then people here can critique you’re play

[sick sentinel]

how much overall nerf we get in 8.2?

[dim juniper]

We will still crush dps in dungeons that are bad or average

[sick sentinel]

kinda looks like prot paladin will be the dps tank for m+

can do high burst to the void emissary

[undone sun]

Damage to a single emissary won't change overall damage throughout the whole dungeon

[sweet kettle]

Yeah right cause prot warrior doesn't have burst kappa

[ionic fern]

Paladin ST burst is higher tho. Chances are that we will get more not so AoE heavy dps'ers to be fotm now..e.g assassination rogues instead of outlaws for example and in this scenarior prot warriors bringing a ton of aoe is good regardless.

[undone sun]

i don't doubt the dps meta will change quite a bit

[dim juniper]

Think prot warrior still be tied to paladin in aoe dps vs st damage in dungeons?

More of a even playing field.

[ionic fern]

Jeah,overall is going to be a lot closer now since reaping was what brought prot warriors overall so high (uncapped aoe vs Paladins "capped" aoe).

[old zephyr]

It also mean that fury is back in the game

[ionic fern]

No idea what their optimal dps is like but unless it's super stupid (think legion ww) then i can't see them being picked alot since they don't bring utility...probably back to dh/rogue

[sick sentinel]

In legion fury was invited just for their damage

Or so I heard I didn't like mplus in legion so I just did weekly

[astral crystal]

Ring of peace THO

Oh we talking fury

I’ve seen a lot of people talk about fury coming back too

[sick sentinel]

Any usefull addons / weakauras for prot warr?:)

[undone sun]

#ui-addons-manager has a couple pinned for prot

[sick sentinel]

also #268491842637660160

has 3 very useful weak auras

[marsh kindle]

LF King's Rest +15 1.7 K Prot Warrior ....

[exotic spoke]

Lol

I did two KRs last night. Started a third but we fucked it and opted to go to siege to get the 20 done since we were low on time

[marsh kindle]

for me only KR need for +15 achiev....

[exotic spoke]

It’s a good week to get it done imo

Before the reset. Necrotic raging isn’t a bad week at all

[marsh kindle]

yes i know ....

but i have 17+ Atal ....

[modern brook]

If only there were some methodology with which you could look for a game

[sick sentinel]

@marsh kindle thats not the place for it bud

[exotic spoke]

Ad wouldn’t be so bad either. But also they are correct

[modern brook]

We got a ML 17

and hen proceded to shove our heads so far up our ass that we went to do something else

[lusty grotto]

I'm still angry

[sick sentinel]

ml isn't that bad this week

[lusty grotto]

It's fucking easy

[modern brook]

^

I disagree with the route

But i cant even say that

cause we couldnt stick to the fucking route

[lusty grotto]

Shrug

[modern brook]

Let me rephrase

the route was easily time-able

its just not what i woulda done 🤷

and its moot

[lusty grotto]

I did that same route earlier in the week and we 2 chested it

[versed goblet]

What traits do you need for M+? 1x DC then BoM/BiF?

[lusty grotto]

17 too

So much fail yesterday though

[modern brook]

Did ur team ass pull 5 things 4 times?

cause i think thats what got us :^(

[lusty grotto]

They body pulled 1 pack

But we didn't wipe to it

[modern brook]

I may be remembering the wrong dungeon then 🤷

[lusty grotto]

No

That's basically what got us

[sick sentinel]

@versed goblet bom yes, bfi is not that good

[lusty grotto]

I got the vod

Might hide it cause it's embarassing

[modern brook]

lol

Its a learning experience

[sick sentinel]

lmao

[modern brook]

the lesson being

maybe stick to the route

🤷

[lusty grotto]

I swear I'm gonna clip the siege one

[modern brook]

and if u fuck up

press stuns

[lusty grotto]

Put it on 500% volume

[modern brook]

No where near enough leg sweep for 2 monks, is sall im saying

[lusty grotto]

And a loop

And link it to my moronic brother every time

[stone cloud]

1 mor day and I can mongo and use lurkers in m+ full time

It’s kinda dicey on necrotic week

Lol

[modern brook]

I was a bot on that seige tbh

[lusty grotto]

"count the times I said stay down"

[exotic spoke]

Lurkers?

[stone cloud]

Uunat trinket

[exotic spoke]

Oh the idol of consumption or whatever?

[stone cloud]

No the mastery one

933 mastery for 30 secs

[modern brook]

the one thats BoM but it hurts

[exotic spoke]

Oh! Yeah I’d use that this week

If I had it at a good Ilvl instead of my 415 vial.

Necrotic isn’t bad for us at all

[stone cloud]

No but coupled with constant ticking dmg + necrotic and mob dmg of +20’s

[exotic spoke]

Used vial / block this week. Feels good man

I’d still use it in the 20s we’ve done over vial.

[modern brook]

I got to play assassin for the first time in 5 months 😃

[stone cloud]

Doubt it

But okay

[modern brook]

no its true

[exotic spoke]

I mean, you can doubt it. But I went full offensive and would have gone more if I could:

This week is minimal tank damage. Throw in DiD and it’s easy

[modern brook]

Doesnt did only remove 1 stack?

[exotic spoke]

No. Full clear

[modern brook]

huh

[exotic spoke]

Of necrotic

[modern brook]

and alliance still cant clear anything before horde

amazing

ITs only 1 stack of Kimbul then?

[exotic spoke]

You have a significantly larger player base due to faction imbalances previously: then people would transfer over because you had more good players. Even though racials are more balanced

No it’s a full clear

[stone cloud]

Oh sorry I didn’t realize anyonenplayed alliance outside of mdi.... for horse doing 20’s lurkers + necrotic isn’t a great choice

[analog swift]

@modern brook it's all kimbul stacks

but we're all alli on that fight tho

so as orc I become dwarf gg

[modern brook]

I coulda sworn it was only 1

Weird

[exotic spoke]

Even if I wasn’t alliance I’d still use it. Since necrotic doesn’t really hurt us.

[stone cloud]

It’s full

[modern brook]

YEah I got that

thanks

[stone cloud]

Link io?

[exotic spoke]

That wasn’t for you bullfango. Sorry

[analog swift]

but no engineering helm clear wtf

[modern brook]

OH

[exotic spoke]

Look up Riki. I’m 2400. Still trying to push

[modern brook]

yeah it was the engie helm

thanks theseus

[analog swift]

yeah that got removed tho which is wack

[spice ferry]

guys pls confirm

is my co tank a monkey

[exotic spoke]

I only get to do 5-6 high keys a week 😦

[spice ferry]

using the 370 syringe over a 415 diamond for jaina

[exotic spoke]

@stone cloud https://raider.io/characters/us/bloodhoof/Riki

[modern brook]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[exotic spoke]

I was a spacegoat when I wrote that

[stone cloud]

You’ve done only a few 17+ keys this week

...

[exotic spoke]

But, I used my guilds gold and swapped to DiD since that’s what democracy voted

[stone cloud]

All 3 of which necrotic isn’t a issue

[exotic spoke]

My group wasn’t around until last night. Did 18/19 KR. Dps fucked first boss and then did 20 siege to practice spotter

Sorry, dps fucked first boss on 20 Kr

So we didn’t complete.

[lusty grotto]

Bro

We fucked 3

Three

17s

[stone cloud]

KR with necrotic is a joke

[lusty grotto]

Easy mode 17s

I'm still smh

[agile spruce]

Guys is it possible have 100% uptime on shield block?

[lusty grotto]

No

[exotic spoke]

All dungeons with necrotic are a joke for us. I get to do maybe 5-6 high keys a week.But my spriest was traveling and we lost 2 nights.

[modern brook]

effective uptime

sure

[lusty grotto]

You can try to get as close to it as you can

[stone cloud]

Do like a 20 Shrine or ML and I’ll be necrotic (unless dwarf) isn’t a joke

[modern brook]

in raids u get a taunt swap to regen stacks

[exotic spoke]

So, I did three last night. And that’s about all I can do.

[modern brook]

in M+ fights end

[stone cloud]

You forget you can clear every 2 mins

[exotic spoke]

If I had a shrine I would do it instead of siege. fuck that place

[lusty grotto]

Listen

Riki

[modern brook]

but riki is a dwarf

[lusty grotto]

We were timing this siege easy

Then after 2nd boss everything went to shit

[exotic spoke]

Fucking faction imbalances and being balanced around spotters.

Spent time practicing it at 20 last night

[modern brook]

I bot'd that key so hard :^(

[lusty grotto]

Siege isn't too bad this week

I'm not even mad at you bull I'm mad at my brother

[modern brook]

Thats ok Nim I'm mad at me :^)

[lusty grotto]

I'm just about

This close to being engi

[modern brook]

Being engie is OP for keys tbh

I regret not profesh swapping on my rogue every time someone dies

[lusty grotto]

Yeah I mean it seems that we need it a lot

[agile spruce]

engie op for res or helm?

[lusty grotto]

Both

[modern brook]

For prot both, yeah

[agile spruce]

which helm traits?

[lusty grotto]

I'm not gonna use the helm though, I don't need it

[modern brook]

RNG + Clap

i think personal absorb is strictly better than the other option now

[lusty grotto]

Knock back belt and BR

[modern brook]

Overwhelming on the 3rd

[agile spruce]

Is the 5% damage reduction not good trait?

[modern brook]

Its not bad

but Haste gives us a semi so

[agile spruce]

been using the 5% reduce damage trait might change for a key or 2

[modern brook]

IIRC the 5% DR trait is a debuff == only effects 1 mob?

I am wrong on that

[sick sentinel]

gismo is better

straight up

in every regard

[modern brook]

^ stats are sick bro

[agile spruce]

its every mob it hits gets 5% DR ye?

[modern brook]

It applies a debuff to 1 dude; and enemies within a yardage of that mob deal 5% less and take DPS

where as RNG has a high uptime, heals, and provides u with 2 amazing stats (STrength and haste)

[agile spruce]

ah okay thanks a bunch for the info, ill defo give RNG a go then

that just for m+ or raids too you think?

[sick sentinel]

both

[quick yarrow]

Hey all, what Embrace of the Loa you would recommend to take ?

[winter aspen]

Not kragwa

[quick yarrow]

Why not ?

To defensive?

[lusty grotto]

Pakku was the one everyone picked iirc

[modern brook]

hang on

[lusty grotto]

@sick sentinel any info on that one?

[modern brook]

gonk gang mf

[lusty grotto]

I know you're still zandalari

Loll

[modern brook]

Its still paku

the tank ones suck shit

bwom only ocmpetes in ST IIRC

[lusty grotto]

🐢

[modern brook]

Paku is 4% of our best my favorite stat

[sick sentinel]

paku is the best

but it has no defensive value

kragwa is complete garbage

bobsalami heal is minimal

[modern brook]

🎂

[sick sentinel]

so you either go paku or gonk

but because we are warriors and we do not run/kite anyway, just go paku

[modern brook]

Ultimately the only argument i can make for gonk

Is that gonk Gang is fun to say

and the Pack-u sounds like some virgin shit made up to compete with the gang

so really the q is: are u going to be a nerd who optimizes thier throughput; or are u gunna be a ganger

[lapis sun]

Hello! New prot warrior here. Is Grong's Primal Rage trinket good for prot? Are we able to block incoming attacks while raging or is strictly a dps trinket?

[sick sentinel]

it's garbage

don't use it

[red wedge]

I'm not even sure it's good for dps specs

[warm plinth]

You can block while it's channeling. However, it's not great.

If you have no choice but to use it, make sure you use its effect outside of Avatar; Avatar does not increase the damage.

[lapis sun]

Ah, ok. I just noticed it was ranked high on bloodmalley

bloodmallet*

and to follow up on a question asked earlier - what traits should we look to stack? I saw 1 DC is good. Stack BoM if you can?

[sweet kettle]

3 BoM yeah

For maximum damage

[ivory barn]

BoM only for M+ though?

[sweet kettle]

No

BoM is a good overall

[lusty grotto]

Yes BoM for m+ only

BoM is only decent if you're on farm mode

If you're progressing, you're better off with more defensive options

[sweet kettle]

If you play prot everything is on farm mode

[lusty grotto]

No

Not everyone is on farm mode

[open bluff]

bom is the best prot-specific trait for dps (even ST), but it's still beat out by a few generics

[lusty grotto]

As hard to believe as that is this late in the tier

That much is true

[open bluff]

defensively it's not necessarily the best, but at some point ilvl will compensate

(that point varies based on your individual skill level)

[sick sentinel]

BoM is still good it makes avatar a defensive cd but yes other traits are better for progression if you are not like top1k guild with overgear

[lusty grotto]

To be fair, farm mode status fights don't require you to be a CE guild, so it's more of a case by case basis

[sick sentinel]

but idk what would be best didnt progress until i had insane gear aka no damage taken compared to 10ilvl lower

[lusty grotto]

Also #268491842637660160 if you're not on farm mode, check out the icy veins guide @lapis sun

Azerite part

If you're just reclearing for farm, just Yolo BoM and whatever you want

[lapis sun]

Right on, thanks Nim

[modern brook]

Just what prot needs! A defensive cooldown1

Also RE: grongs

Grongs is good when a class has down time

we have negative downtime

ie grong is bad

[exotic spoke]

I mean... I like crit blocking most incoming attacks....

[modern brook]

where as its v good on say blood

[exotic spoke]

When I avatar.

I for one am looking forward to 80% + (probably conservative) up time on avatar and BoM

[modern brook]

I hope ur looking forward to something else too

cause history has shown us that wont fly

source: CoF

[exotic spoke]

CoF?

[warm plinth]

Convergence of Fates

[modern brook]

thanks ghash i actually forget its reall name

[exotic spoke]

Oh, yeah.... I didn’t dps then but yeah....

[modern brook]

jsut called it COUGH his whole time

[exotic spoke]

I forgot it too lol

[warm plinth]

Hahhaa

I mean, people got mad at me because I pronounced Draught as Drawt

Instead of draft

[winter aspen]

[modern brook]

Its drought

100%

[exotic spoke]

I mean - it’s going to be stupid. But it was bad for an item since you had to go back and farm for it

[modern brook]

🤷 idt the source of it really matters

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think the essence is different. Trinks like CoF and Draught were nerfed because people found it mandatory to do old content repeatedly hoping for one.

Essences are current content

And not super RNG as I understand it to get

[modern brook]

Sure

[exotic spoke]

And will remain as such.

[modern brook]

AVatar and Metamoprisis are cd's that are way too valueable to have 80+ % uptime with

to name a few

[exotic spoke]

However, I feel like they backed themselves into a corner with Prot Warrior design

[modern brook]

^

Prot warriors only check right now is that its talent tree may as well not exist

cause you have to pick certain ones

everything else is absurdly designed

no sense of scalability

[exotic spoke]

Being build around some huge synergies is great - but presents design limitations when new mechanics are added.

See UF. See the pearlescent (refund 50% rage on proc).

If they nerf AM it guts us. But they have to nerf everything else around it to keep us from being stupidly OP

[winter aspen]

Imagine thinking doing old content being a bad thing

Play the game not the patch

[modern brook]

I think the complaint is less doing old content

and more doing old content wholey on the dream ofa 50x titan forged CoF

which like why do that to yourself

[exotic spoke]

It’s that it was mandatory to fish for a high TF

[modern brook]

but whatever

I've said in the past AM is toxic to the spec

AM should not affect avatar, possibly not effect Demo Shout

as a talent* at least

[warm plinth]

Ideally they'd just make it baseline

[modern brook]

reduce the efficiency and make it baseline is my solution

If they're going to design the spec around it; plz dont give me the option to play wheelchair-tection

I also whole disagree with UF as an ability

Prot has always been about the shield not the foot

Giving the T21 2pc on stomp doesnt really make sesne

Whicha gain goes into no sense of scalability

Would they really need to nerf the damage if UF worked on slam instead of the 0 cap AoE of TC?

[exotic spoke]

The more important part of UF, imo, is the CD reduction and increasing rage generation

[modern brook]

I mean defensively sure

Offensively; getting battle cry on your avatar is pretty fucking good isnt it?

[exotic spoke]

Truth.

[modern brook]

battle cry that can crit again

because

no sense of scalability

[exotic spoke]

And defensively it’s ducking amazing too.

[modern brook]

why is it 100% damage increase instead of "TC garunteed crit in avatar"

I need @sand egret here to explain game design decisions to me

[exotic spoke]

Because they can adjust the damage increase but can’t adjust the crit damage

[modern brook]

🤷 I guess

The way it works currently just make it scale absurdly well with secondaries; which is our spec in a nutshell

A UF crit clap in avatar is 4x base damage, not including Demo shout damage buff / Avatar damage buff

(and using baby napkin math that isnt accurate at all)

[sand egret]

👀

[empty inlet]

✈

[sand egret]

@modern brook Riki's gotchu, also it would be a very awkward stat since crit would lose a ton of value as a stat during Avatar. Not the type of decision making you want the Player to deal with. That's why Chaos Bolt and Combustion have that scaling to keep crit relevant

[exotic spoke]

But you’re like quadruple dipping.

Increase in AP from BoM, bonus damage from avatar, bonus damage from uf and reduced CD from uf

[empty inlet]

Just wear highest ilvl

[sand egret]

But yeah, UF is problematic in its own right since everytime TClaps damage can be adjusted (see DC traits), you have to factor in the multiple layers of scaling it goes through. It's powerful, but not in a good way for the health of the spec in the long run imho

[undone sun]

problematic BFA class design Pikachu shocked face

😮

[empty inlet]

🐻

[sand egret]

obligatory mmhmm face to token BFA jab

😏

[empty inlet]

Cant wait until none necrotic week 🐼

[lusty grotto]

This week is so easy though

[empty inlet]

Until you have 5 temple key and freehold keys :)

[lusty grotto]

Oof

Yeah fuck galvzzt with necrotic

[empty inlet]

Doable at 24 with good comp

But still :puke:

[lusty grotto]

Hmm fort bolstering next week

Give me all the siege keys pls

cries in not having a druid

[empty inlet]

This week is better siege than next week

[lusty grotto]

Well raging spotter is good

But giga fortified spotter is 👌

At least for clearing trash

[sick sentinel]

yeah well siege bolstering needs insane focus you cant get first 2 spotter bolstered alot and you have to focus commanders alot near 3rd boss

but it isnt worst

[modern brook]

ITs bolstering what next week?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[modern brook]

yeah thats not an answer

[undone sun]

https://mythicpl.us/

[modern brook]

tythyme

[sick sentinel]

Doable on a 24 btw.

[empty inlet]

? Theres already 24 done in tyrnical

[modern brook]

with necrotic?

[empty inlet]

Necrotic is not issue if you build comp around it

[modern brook]

🤷

not the question but ok

[empty inlet]

Ret paladin is good in that fight too

Wisdom good damage and bop for reset

[sick sentinel]

There's no timed 24 on this week's affixes. Or is the picture that hard to read?

[modern brook]

😬 my time to bow out

[sick sentinel]

And the 21 timed Tyr 24s are with either bursting/skittish (lul) or raging/volcanic (lul).

[lusty grotto]

Ya ret would be great for resets

[stone cloud]

Boss still sucks donkey this week

[empty inlet]

Tfw you realize good players are not playing this week and are in mdi

[lusty grotto]

Plus can help LoH last fight to speed it up

[empty inlet]

24 is 100 doable

[stone cloud]

Tried a few 21’s and everytime galv cucks is

[sick sentinel]

So Xerk the top resto druid was in MDI?

And furo?

Zmug?

[stone cloud]

Tfw the last time it was necro tyran a 24 didn’t get done either

[sick sentinel]

Zzonzi?

What the top prot warrior Tattered?

Rad?

[lusty grotto]

Should we know who these people are?

🤷

[empty inlet]

Tattere doesn't play this week.

He doesn't even have to play anymore this season

Theres no realistic upgrade for him cept fort tol and siege this week.

[potent anvil]

There hasn't been a 24 WCM for this week's affixes, but I did a 23

[modern brook]

[lusty grotto]

[empty inlet]

24 doable but I trolled 🙈

[stone cloud]

Lala show me a 24 tyrannical ToS with necrotic done and I’ll believe it’s doable

[modern brook]

gratz des

[stone cloud]

BiG PoG Dez

[lusty grotto]

Hey when is Late getting his emoji

[empty inlet]

Doesn't count if it is not on fury warrior

[lusty grotto]

Also is it gonna be Big Bird?

[potent anvil]

Fury s3, big content. Maybe 🤔

[stone cloud]

Not if they continue to nerf everything that makes it seem possible

[sick sentinel]

Nimchip I love that your counter was "are we supposed to know who these people are" when I started the statement with "So Xerk the top resto druid was in MDI?"

[lusty grotto]

I wasn't countering

Just commenting on the side

Calm down

[sick sentinel]

It's 9am champ, there's nothing to be but calm.

[lusty grotto]

OK chief

[sick sentinel]

Gotcha boss

[lusty grotto]

Roger comrade

[sick sentinel]

10-4 good buggy

[lusty grotto]

Lmao

[empty inlet]

Hey guys 26 tol not doable this week nobody timed it 🙈

[lusty grotto]

That one legit made me laugh

[sick sentinel]

Lala, you're correct, it's not.

Bursting/Skittish is a fair bit easier than raging/necrotic

[empty inlet]

🙈

[sick sentinel]

I know logic is tough for you

[empty inlet]

It's funny because you're wrong

Give me a 26 tol I time it this week

[sick sentinel]

You'd have to time a 10 first bud

[empty inlet]

👀

[sick sentinel]

of the top 100 Tyrannical keys, 9 of them have been done with this week's affixes.

And you are aware this is the 2nd time these affixes have popped up this season, right?

[empty inlet]

Doesn't make them not impossible lol

You're dumb probably some 2k io random 🙈

[sick sentinel]

That's some solid counter logic.

Best way to win an argument:

Call them dumb.

[empty inlet]

Not to mention there are alliance racial for necrotic 24 is 100% doable

Doubt you ever timed a 24 anyways

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

Just doing that so we don't forget

[empty inlet]

👌

[sick sentinel]

Why are you being so hostile lala?

[lusty grotto]

Pls no boot soup clap

[dense flame]

S3 I don’t think is going to be enjoyable. I think the struggle to PUG is going to be real.

[empty inlet]

Season 3 keys are closed

[dense flame]

Imagine having to improvise weekly in keys 😏 do you know how large your brain has to get?

Tanks are going to start retiring 👌

[modern brook]

XD

[lusty grotto]

Heh

Yeah it seems that you will 100% need consistent people / a set team to push next season, I know that most of you high ranked dudes have one but the struggle can be real to those that don't

On lower ranked keys next season in comparison with this one or even s1

I gotta be honest, in general I enjoy more difficulty but I'm not sure about this one

More difficulty being more coordination required, etc

[thin pecan]

Perhaps this is a silly question but with necrotic, is there a number of stacks you guys try and leap away on? Or does it depend on pull to pull?

[lusty grotto]

I usually leap out at 30ish if my hp starts dropping, or at around 50%

50% less healing

But since it's not fort, I haven't seen a lot of those moments

So I just Mongo stay and eat them

[thin pecan]

Brill thanks Nimchip, much respect

[empty inlet]

Depending on dungeon and level of dungeon

[lusty grotto]

Yeah that's also true

[empty inlet]

There are shit that if you have shield block up you take 0 damage

[lusty grotto]

Raging can get dangerous on high keys too

So usually you wanna hold your stuns for that

And/or burn them the f down

[thin pecan]

Ok cool thanks guys

[empty inlet]

attack now

[faint night]

Hello guys, I was just wondering what i should what gem im gonna fill my sockets with and what enchants i should use with these ass my stats :p

[undone sun]

always haste

[signal plover]

Just do haste

[undone sun]

no specific breakpoints, or caps you should worry about

as long as you take ilevel you're golden

[faint night]

does socket weight as much it does as dps

[chilly brook]

@faint night come on dude #268491842637660160

[lusty grotto]

No they don't @faint night

[chilly brook]

But no sockets are not as heavily weighed as on DPS, unless it’s a ring where you have to calculate if an ilvl upgrade gives you more stats than the old ring with a socket. Prot is ez pz more stats>better stats

[faint night]

ah thanks 👍

[lusty grotto]

Answering weebos since 2004

Lmao

I kid I kid

[undone sun]

seeing avatars 😅

[lusty grotto]

I'm on my phone

[undone sun]

wish compact mode as on mobile

[lusty grotto]

Oh yeah

That'd be sweet

Can't discord without it otherwise I see Kaege's pics

[sick sentinel]

😡

[faint night]

I have 7 sockets with crit on (since i played fury before) and my enchant on rings are also crit should i change that to haste then 😅

[sick sentinel]

I'd keep it at crit 👀

Haste is better

But all of our stats are roughly equal

[exotic spoke]

Did you sacrifice any ilvls for those sockets?

[chilly brook]

Just to make myself clearer, you won’t sacrifice ilvl for sockets on anything but rings (possibly cloak or bracers as well) but you really don’t ever want to sacrifice ilvl on armor pieces

And remember that stamina and armor do factor into our stats when I say more stats>better stats

[exotic spoke]

^^

[faint night]

oki well still 5 out of 7 are my highest ilvl with sock

[oblique garnet]

You can keep them at crit this week due to necrotic

extra parry change will help you negate alot of those stacks

[stone cloud]

Crit 100% for the week we just had

[exotic spoke]

^^

[modern brook]

thyme is such a smart man

[honest frigate]

Crit god

[undone sun]

😊

@modern brook

[sick sentinel]

hey guys, been a while since I run a dungeon: can you still spell reflect first boss in temple?

[empty inlet]

yes

[sick sentinel]

if he doesn't target you

[empty inlet]

if it is not targetting oyu

also make sure a jolt is not on you B)

[sick sentinel]

Hello, have question about Underrot dung. On beginning, before first boss, you can go left or right way. Ppl are saying that on one side is less mobs or smth. Never realized there is any difference. Is it really like that?

how would it work? I see him casting on someone else, I position myself a bit inside him?

[exotic spoke]

Yes, and it alternates which path has less mobs thurgy

[empty inlet]

@sick sentinel the one where it doesn't have 2 matreon by the mask guy

B)

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel you face away from the other people. Call out that they need to interrupt next jolt while you reflect cyclone. If he targets someone other than you just move infront of him

[sick sentinel]

okay, thanks guys, appreciate the help (-:

i think i do not understand ...:) so the extrta mob is in the patrol...? or in the standing grp before boss?

[empty inlet]

the mask guy

one side of the mask guy will have 2 matreon

you do not watn to go that one

and its random whjen you put in the key

[exotic spoke]

Group before boss

[sick sentinel]

ah, ok, and i can see it from the crossroad?

[exotic spoke]

Yes, from the top you can see it

[empty inlet]

yes you can see it

https://gyazo.com/05b93cd7ef4c593d6ab6de1301f21829

you dont want to do that 6 pack

its a suicide

[sick sentinel]

ouch, its preaty clear now:) thx so much

[empty inlet]

and its random that the 6 pack will be on left or right

pick the hardest mob in the dungeon and put 2 of them togather gj blizzard 😃

[sick sentinel]

😄

"wait, you don't find that fun?"

q:

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel for the record, i believe which side has the extra pack is random on the key, not by week

so you have to check each time

[sick sentinel]

yy, i think so

[sick sentinel]

guys, how is the big red button trinket for m+?

is it nay good?

not that big

[trail brook]

Hey, got a question. How can i consistently dodge Aka'ali's Smash? (Fat boss on 3rd boss of Kings Rest)

[vocal skiff]

have a DH taunt and blade dance I think

[modern brook]

^

I believe u can parry it

so Riposte

but Just have your DPS ignore the mechnic for you

[elder isle]

guys would u rather take lurker + rezan or gem + rezan ?

[sick sentinel]

rezan+lurker

[outer dew]

@sick sentinel I heard they lowering ilvl from m+

is that true?

[warm plinth]

It's true as far as it being on the PTR right now; don't think that's been announced officially so it may just be a mistake.

[high wadi]

what do you mean lowering ilvl?

[outer dew]

that

actually is so sad

[warm plinth]

End of dungeon chest for +10 is giving 420 and the UI says chest gives 440

And 420 is only 5 ilevel above normal raid loot

[dense flame]

😦

Hmmmm

[outer dew]

no reason to resub now

LMAO

[warm plinth]

But again, they haven't said anything official, so it could be one of those random PTR things that don't go live

But yeah I think that'll get a lot of M+ folks to unsub if they haven't already. It's never a good idea to pigeonhole people into certain content if they want to compete.

[sick sentinel]

I have no idea what is going on

[chilly brook]

I mean tbh good

There was basically no incentive to do Mythic raiding other than bragging rights

[exotic spoke]

Ugh, I hope they don’t do that. Heroic loot feels right.
Maybe they are going to requiring 15s for max reward?

Honestly, disagree griff.

[chilly brook]

With what part of my statement

[exotic spoke]

That there’s no incentive to mythic raiding

[chilly brook]

What’s the incentive then

[honest frigate]

Plenty of loot incentive to mythic raiding

Guaranteed 415 ilvl and BIS pieces for multiple classes

[wispy plume]

Mythic raiding with a decent guild is still the best way to gear

M+ is a decent substitute but definitely not a perfect one

[exotic spoke]

Not relying on rng as much to get gear. Higher weapons / shields - mythic raid has a higher baseline so it can always be higher than m+
Different azerite pieces

[chilly brook]

M+ is far and away a better way to gear

[honest frigate]

Sure, if you spam it

But it’s far more efficient to supplement raid gear with m+ gear

And you’re at the mercy of RNG forges more in m+

[exotic spoke]

Which is why you’re capped at heroic level loot.

Its hard to get upgrades from there usually

[chilly brook]

The only real reason to Mythic raid loot wise is azerite gear (not even always), weapons and some trinkets

[wispy plume]

Higher baseline loot means a much higher average item level

[honest frigate]

That’s so specific to three of the most important things in the game when it comes to gear

[chilly brook]

But due to the fact that a lot of the gear in m+ can get high TFs (the chances of which increase the higher the key) often times trinkets are questionable

[exotic spoke]

Which is why m* capped at heroic makes sense to me

[honest frigate]

Weapons, azerite, and trinkets are literally the core of a gear set

[exotic spoke]

Raise the level to max gear out. They did 15s in legion.

[wispy plume]

At least a much higher chance that your average item level will be higher from mythic raid

[oblique garnet]

The change will completely trivialize m+ for gearing

you will only do weekly +10 and then afk

[chilly brook]

I mean so what

[oblique garnet]

Unless +15 drops 430 gear

[wispy plume]

Yeah which we are saying is a bad change

Because people enjoy gearing from it lol

[chilly brook]

Everyone in here is always like “if you’re doing m+ for loot you’re doing it wrong anyways”

[exotic spoke]

Why should mythic raids be the only way of gearing? In fairness I do both

[chilly brook]

And now that’s changing?

[oblique garnet]

It is a bad change it will cause people to stop doing m+ and just raid log

[exotic spoke]

So you’re saying I have to do mythic raiding to do top end m+?

[wispy plume]

No it's still a nice incentive to do m+ but it's not the best

[exotic spoke]

Late has it

[honest frigate]

Idk if anyone in here has ever said m+ is a bad way to gear

[wispy plume]

Yep

[chilly brook]

Imo top end loot should be from Mythic raiding period

[honest frigate]

And if they have they’re wrong

Idk if that’s true tbh

Half of the time mythic end raiding is not nearly as difficult as high keys

[oblique garnet]

Only way this change makes sense is if +15 gives 430 gear

If you only get 420 gear from +10 its not even worth doing

[honest frigate]

^^

Which is likely

[chilly brook]

No gch multiple people have said “if you’re doing Mythic plus for the gear then you’re doing it wrong” implying that you should basically just play it for the score

[exotic spoke]

Heroic level gear from maxing out the key - whether that be a +10 or +15 I don’t care

[chilly brook]

Not the process of gearing behind it being efficient

Two different things

[oblique garnet]

Ok so Griff my warrior is 420 ilvl equipped atm i have other characters at 418- and so

Do i need to do m+?

Not really

[honest frigate]

I mean if you’re doing it alone, it’s not the most efficient way. If you want to maximize your loot potential you should mythic raid and m+ and if you really want to min-max, pvp

[oblique garnet]

most fun part of new tier was the fact when you were grinding m+ for upgrades

Now if you can just be maxed out from previous tier you only log in to do 1 high key and thats it

[exotic spoke]

Griff, my issue is then m+ is gated behind mythic raiding rather than being complementary to it

[chilly brook]

Yes....because grinding for the same item just x amount of ilvl higher is soooo fun