tfw I over-timed a shrine 10 yesterday 😢
#protection
warm plinth
last mason
I feel like I need to know what every mob does in and out, which isn’t necessarily unreasonable, but it’s just A LOT
lusty grotto
you could know that but its absolutely better to do so with experience
trail dome
as someone that hasn't tanked at all in bfa, quit during 8.0-8.1 ish and even then only pvp'd: what's a good way to learn the routes for the dungeons?
lusty grotto
easier to remember
warm plinth
Watch videos
trail dome
I know a route for FH, Atal and Underrot from playing with a friend who's good and told me on discord. xd
warm plinth
Oh, it was an 11, just kidding
lusty grotto
sense does some IQ500 stuff that might not apply to you guys
so just take what you can apply on your runs
normal weekly routes from raider.io are solid
(not the advanced ones)
warm plinth
I miss Thorough Tank. I wish that guy did BfA dungeons
last mason
The safeguard intercept stuff you can do in places like dh are dope
But yea I’ll try running some easy stuff
Fh*
trail dome
Fwiw I used to be bigbrain top 1% of wowprog bdk, I'm happy to learn bigbrain things. I just haven't played the expac at all =D
are advanced ones just things that pugs won't do properly?
exotic spoke
@lusty grotto I could - don’t want to in this case. Also, it’s a completely new comp. I’ll just do ones and twos. Plus installing to anSSD won’t be too bad
trail dome
no? I play tanks I don't play a class.
warm plinth
lusty grotto
i had to do it ghash
trail dome
I've multiclassed since wotlk 😅
warm plinth
Pay no attention to this guy Arch. He doesn't understand the altoholic life
trail dome
I haven't played since 8.0 and I have 7
oblique garnet
only 4 ?
trail dome
👀
warm plinth
I have 11 and I barely play
oblique garnet
Same
lusty grotto
ok im not an altoholic
warm plinth
XD
trail dome
Anyway, I just like playing what's optimal. I like pushing the hardest content possible.
In Legion it was BDK. Now I'm back it seems to be the prots.
So I'm gearing up the prots.
warm plinth
Yeah I have no problem with rerollers or multi-class players unless they don't bother to learn the different classes.
warm plinth
It's just triggering to see people roll a fresh prot war and have like 10% uptime on Shield Block and shit
red wedge
And then complain about no self-sustain
lusty grotto
lmao
last mason
To be fair I’m newish to prot and rage management can be a learning curve
At least it was with me
trail dome
Well, still seems like will be best class for really high key pushing.
lusty grotto
not talking about you sleepy don't worry
trail dome
Phys damage mit is nuts.
warm plinth
Indeed
last mason
Lol
trail dome
I kinda just treat rage like I treat RP. You need to always have enough for an emergency button.
Otherwise don't cap.
🤷
Pooling is sometimes smart.
red wedge
Our emergency buttons dont require rage, though.
trail dome
Well, I more mean the 2nd charge of SB.
red wedge
Ah yeah
trail dome
Also a 2nd emergency IP.
lusty grotto
no
last mason
It’s different in low io pugs where nobody interupts anything so you have to spam ip to not get ass blasted by casters
lusty grotto
there is no such thing as an emergency sb
red wedge
If you're using IP as an emergency, then you're using it wrong. ;p
At least in my opinion.
lusty grotto
or an emergency ip
trail dome
Maybe I'm communicating badly.
trail dome
How do I put this.
warm plinth
I think emergency is just a poor choice of word. I understand what you mean Arch.
trail dome
Yeah.
There's no reason to not pool.
There's no reason to waste rage if you have IP rolling.
red wedge
Yea. Ok. I get it now, too .:)
warm plinth
There's no reason to use two SBs at a time when you can hang on to the 2nd charge (assuming you don't rage cap or drop SB)
trail dome
^
Same with IP.
So if idk, monkey dps doesn't kick a raging spellcast or something and now you don't have IP anymore
last mason
^
red wedge
Yea. I get what you're dumping now. :)
trail dome
Otherwise your hp gets spiky and stuff. You know?
I probably worded it really badly. I'm currently underslept and having withdrawals. :|
I'm on edge af.
neon tangle
@warm plinth to be fair if you were in the BDK channel you’d be triggered by new BDKs who manage to both have with 60% bad marrowrends and still hit DS without ossuary active
warm plinth
Quit smoking?
red wedge
You just happened upon a couple trigger words.
trail dome
Worse. Sugar. :|
warm plinth
Oh
last mason
Just take never surrender for emergency ip pepega
red wedge
"Emergency IP / SB" :P
warm plinth
Hahahaha, yes, yes I would sadbox
trail dome
Shit is -really- addictive.
warm plinth
I have a food addiction so I can relate. I just haven't been able to kick it yet.
trail dome
Turns out it's in everything too. Like bread & chips (or fries if you're 🇺🇸 )
Anyway.
Yes, I find rage management solidly alright.
sick sentinel
trail dome
Honestly it's a lot like the other tanks I have good experience with, it's not like the principles of tanking change per class. =D
neon tangle
@trail dome tbh prot had a simpler rotation / resource system then BDK
warm plinth
I like every tank to a point but I find some of them very boring to play.
trail dome
I feel like if I say that here people will lynch me.
I don't think either are that complicated.
BDK in Legion had a lot more maintenance stuff to pay attention to, but I don't know how Prot Warr was in Legion, it's the only tank I didn't play then.
And a -lot- of stuff got pruned.
red wedge
It's reactionary vs proactive tanking
trail dome
So I assume it's probably the same for Warr.
red wedge
preventative
warm plinth
Prot in Legion (especially at the end) was like 90% Shield Slam spam
red wedge
reactionary vs preventative
trail dome
Tbf you did both as DK
neon tangle
^^
sand egret
id say tanks do vary on a principle level
warm plinth
Yeah DK is really both
trail dome
Shit like VB & AMS have to come first.
Or dumping RP for massive soulgorger so you have enough HP to soak a mechanic and shit
red wedge
Your CDs, sure. But your standard rotation for BDK vs Prot War is Reactionary vs Preventative.
warm plinth
Ah tyrannical Ymiron, we're looking at you
neon tangle
Also at a more macro level, at any reasonable keystone level you’re planning your pulls around your mitigation CDs, etc
trail dome
Yeah. That's true of every tank.
Thankfully with Legion DK it's have VB every back, and in BFA warr I feel like I have Demo & Shockwave every pack then one of last stand or avatar.
So ez clap.
neon tangle
@red wedge BDK has to be reactive to damage, but they do require more thought as to the next 10-30s or so of rotation
red wedge
Mm. Yea. I can agree with that, @neon tangle
neon tangle
Plus planning stuff like having enough RP for bonestorm
sand egret
there’s a distinction to be made between proactive mitigation and proactive tanking
trail dome
^
red wedge
Yea. That's probably where my statement is muddled.
trail dome
I think ultimately at the highest level every tank does both.
🤷
Like, of course you do.
sand egret
well mechanically, no
potent anvil
I plan pulls around my healer's mana. Not 0%? Keep going 
red wedge
I definitely do not do that, @potent anvil, and my healer hates me for it. ;p
neon tangle
@sand egret sorta, even then it gets muddled, BDK has to proactively generate its resources so that it can reactively use them, idk how to define that
red wedge
I get yelled at at least once a key about paying attention to their mana.
sand egret
just say you got that UI bug that always shows them at 100% mana...
red wedge
I blame it on her always being in cat form.
sand egret
thats proactive tanking, sadbox
trail dome
I think Blade is saying what is a warrior doing mechanically that isn't reactive.
I guess it depends on your definition of reactive?
red wedge
Yea, but Blade's distinction is what we're not taking into account
lusty grotto
basically
red wedge
Tanking vs Mitigation
trail dome
If someone accidentally pulls twice as many mobs as I wanted to and I press Last Stand am I reacting to the extra pull, or proactively using LS?
lusty grotto
practive dealing with damage vs reactive dealing with damage
substitute dealing with damage by mitigation
trail dome
I mean I feel like this conversation is absolutely pedantry and doesn't really matter at all.
But, for the sake of argument. 😅
sand egret
my distinction is like, you set yourself up (proactive) to managing your resources as a bdk, to deal with the damage after you take it (reactive)
the former is your thought and intent, the latter is simply how the kit operates
trail dome
Sure.
sand egret
Prot does not have mechanics to deal with damage after-the-fact
neon tangle
I mean the former is the kit too, your abilities and how they generate resources
trail dome
What I was saying is that at a high level obviously every good tank player will have a proactive plan for stuff, and have to react things. I wasn't talking about mechanics, sorry if that was a bit unclear. >:
sand egret
thats why I say that Prot is exclusively a proactive tank style
trail dome
react to things*
sand egret
but I agree the mindset is universal
trail dome
I get what you're saying.
It's not quite like Discipline priest though, at least.
Where if something surprises you and you're not set up for it you're just fooked.
At least you can Demo & SB in one gcd 😅
sand egret
yeah but the damage is done 😃
trail dome
Sure, sorry I more meant like
sand egret
anywho, its a bit nitpicky but I get what you’re saying
trail dome
If someone ninja pulls a pack.
I guess in a raid situation if like
your co tank fucks up a mechanic for you
you are just fucked
lusty grotto
you are still preparing proactively
trail dome
Definitely true. :)
trail dome
I'm not arguing that you're not.
lusty grotto
that's being proactive
lusty grotto
welcome to skyhold
trail dome
As opposed to disc where you have to set up like 15 atonements.
warm plinth
Welcome to conversations with Nimchip***
trail dome
^
lusty grotto
still not the proper wording
red wedge
We like to get under each others' skin here
lusty grotto
lmao
trail dome
👀
young marlin
What have I come into?
dark lark
420 haste/mastery pants vs 415 crit/mast with socket pants. socket is more valuable? or the 420 for armor/str/stam?
lusty grotto
whichever is fine
young marlin
depends on what your % are currently @dark lark but neither will be game changing, just minor tweaks
young marlin
agreed
warm plinth
It really doesn't matter what your % are. Stop saying that shit please.
lusty grotto
ghash is correct
young marlin
can always toss a haste in the socket to displace the difference.
Well it does make a difference, 3% haste when you only have 30% because of your poor stats allows more uptime
young marlin
So use your brain, nothing matters if the small things dont
young marlin
Your incorrect chip
red wedge
Come for the prot, stay for the NimSauce.
young marlin
Lol, what idiots are here.
I will rock my 15% after into the fray haste and be fine
lusty grotto
you're free to run whatever you want
nobody is telling you otherwise
just don't offer advice over flawed reasoning
warm plinth
though I am kind of sad/impressed that you somehow have 0% haste before ITF XD
lusty grotto
whatever you're gonna say, make sure you run the stat spreedsheet and see the value of each stat
before you say it
red wedge
People that think secondaries matter should go watch Naow tank with only a weapon, shield, and azerite pieces.
young marlin
I am just laughing at your flawed reasoning, so continue with your flawed reasoning. Itemization doesnt matter to any regard in the grand scheme of things meaning you can have the lowest stats and be fine if what you said is correct.
I prefer more uptime on my AM paired with more defense from prism so itemization matters
young marlin
So does my health pool, it prefers to have health
orchid token
@young marlin that isn't what anyone said
lusty grotto
alright, we're done here, moving along lol
orchid token
Amount of stats is what matters, and the type of stats only becomes relevant when choosing between equal amounts of them
200 haste is better than 200 vers, but not better than 250 vers
lusty grotto
i think the point ghash was trying to make is
while gearing up
your secondary percentages will not dictate what to equip
you can make those choices afterwards on equal ilvl pieces
warm plinth
Correct
lusty grotto
maybe juggle up and down sockets while not giving too much up
oblique garnet
👏 Melva is finally big clapper
sick sentinel
yeah managed to get some good crit gear and a ring with a socket
like 600 versa and mastery each aswell
oblique garnet
be happy that you dont have 14% vers : )))
oblique garnet
atleast my claps hit 45k
ionic fern
😒
lusty grotto
lmao
red wedge
Pretty sure there's a cream for that, @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
For excessive amount of vers or?
ember arrow
wow good?
warm plinth
No
ember arrow
o
lusty grotto
👋 levko
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel please dont
sick sentinel
okey i wont 😦
warm plinth
Where are you getting 35k messages?
junior ivy
whats that
stark sage
spin off/ sequel to the original karate kid
last mason
What setting do you have to tweak to get the little lightning bolts to come down for clap
dim juniper
YouTube shitshow
stark sage
😠
warm plinth
It's not a setting; it's a glyph
stark sage
they use a lot of the original actors, takes place like 20 years after the original
warm plinth
@last mason
stark sage
anyway #off-topic
lusty grotto
ya glypherino
dry apex
wich do i replace
warm plinth
Are you doing raids or M+?
dry apex
mostly m+
warm plinth
I would stick with what you have tbh, especially this week.
Necrotic makes diamond basically garbage
chilly brook
Jes is underrated in general
sick sentinel
And 15 ilvls worth of str is a lot
@chilly brook jes is the best for surv raid trinkets
We know that
chilly brook
Yea but everyone hates it lmao
sick sentinel
Yes because they want deep deeps
warm plinth
You're the best for surv raid trinkets
dry apex
okay thx 😃
sick sentinel
Yes, everybody does more damage, everybody takes less damage AND your healer does more healing
It's a win/win/win situation
chilly brook
Unless you’re just selfish
sick sentinel
But my kind of situation where you win 3 times
warm plinth
When you're selfish you just heroic leap away, then pop it and intercept back in
chilly brook
Lolol
fleet axle
can we destack on third boss of TOS ?
cobalt trellis
405 cos belt or 420 crit versa
warm plinth
420
Which boss do you mean when you say third @fleet axle
Never mind
I'm an idiot; I was thinking Tomb for some reason
fleet axle
galvazzt
warm plinth
Are you asking if we're able to drop the galvanize stacks?
sick sentinel
It's alright, go again
Is "can I drop necrotic stacks on 3rd boss ToS?" the questuon
lusty grotto
hmm
warm plinth
Yes, that's his question
sick sentinel
Sorry I was having a 3 hour nap
No
Unless you get really lucky with parries
But depending on procs I get up to 38% parry chance and it is still hard to drop
I get them a lot slower though
You can die and get CRed, don't laugh it's a viable tactic
limpid pawn
potent anvil
I use Jes pre-pull away from everyone because I'm selfish
exotic spoke
Gore and vial probably ?
For this week
@sick sentinel my rdruid - whenever I die - just says “sorry - was using my most efficient heal”
sick sentinel
If he uses the cr trait
warm plinth
Just like you're selfish with all of the game's 425 loot
sick sentinel
You get rezzed with a foodbuff
Did discord update to include an image on the sidebar? Cause I didn't see it before?
It's for big boy servers
Oh noooooooooooo
Big boy as in
Massive lads
An absolute unit you might say
🐷
lusty grotto
for damage no, for defensiveness, it depends
you could be ok, but you might also be using SB when a mob stops attacking you to cast or do whatever
so it depends
for example tree boi in WM
with high stacks, you can pause on using SB when he casts whatever
spice ferry
ahh yep
lusty grotto
because eventually you will run out of charges and not have LS up
spice ferry
yep yep
lusty grotto
but look, to be fair, there's not a lot of fights that require that good of SB management
it's just a good idea to understand it
spice ferry
yeah i figured there would be cases were it would be bad
just more of a general play, like if you start a m+ pack and have extra rage
there isn't a downside to blow them both back to back
defensively speaking anyway
lusty grotto
in m+ packs usually are just gonna hit you so it's not a bad call
spice ferry
yeh sweet
figured as much
i have a love hate relationship with the war. By the end of my 1st/2nd key for the week i start to get into a groove, then i bench it for a week and start from scratch again
i constantly feel like a retard for most of a key, then do a key that i feel comfortable, then rinse repeat
sick sentinel
The thing with casting sb back to back has a benefit and a downside
It's off the gcd and prevents you from capping rage which is pretty good
But to have the best effective SB uptime you can cast the second SB a tad bit later and not perfectly back to back
The example the nim gave with casting is one thing
spice ferry
oh so you should actually let it drop for like half a second then use the second charge?
sick sentinel
I do something else
spice ferry
thats optimal play?
sick sentinel
Just as it's about to fall off I shockwave
spice ferry
riiiight
sick sentinel
And cast the next sb when the stun is ending
sick sentinel
Dropping it is risky though
If you drop sb for half a sec
And then a guy smacks you and you die
Then you're not only dead and and sad
But also feel greedy
Example : atal dazar before priestess
You get double fernat strike with sb not up?
See you after the cr
spice ferry
lol
i guess there is a lot more to take into account with warrior
dk just seems to chill in comparison
spice ferry
yeah makes sense
my biggest issue is i dont usually have enough time to dedicate learning how to execute this stuff properly, but got 2-3 weeks where i can binge so gunna smash it
chilly brook
I mean it's really not much to learn
sick sentinel
You want to get it down to memory so you can still do it correctly while continue with planning your pulls in the dungeon
chilly brook
Use your CD's tclap a lot and use your defensives before damage comes out
sick sentinel
I play prot since bfa launch basically
chilly brook
it's really ez tbh
sick sentinel
And if I get distracted I die
spice ferry
It’s just completely different to dk. Like i do fine, just not as good as I know I can be and that frustrates me
chilly brook
Not to be an ass but if you don't feel like you have the time or don't want to put in the effort to play proactively and learn how to best play the class stay with DK
spice ferry
thats what i literally just said, i have that time for 2-3 weeks so thus the questions
modern brook
???????
chilly brook
But it's not even that complicated, you could learn how to play prot in a day
modern brook
You press sheild block and then never die
Repeat until whatever you were fighting is drad
chilly brook
^
spice ferry
im talking about the difference of a few key lvls
chilly brook
It doesn't matter what key level it is if you're not playing the class right you will die anyways
stuff like delaying shield block on mobs by a shockwave or not won't make a difference unless it means you won't have a defensive for an ability that has to be blocked
spice ferry
chilly brook
#268491842637660160 literally spells practically everything out
median ridge
hi , someone have the cap of stat ?
neon tangle
No stat caps for prot warrior
chilly brook
...bruh
come on
literally just linked #268491842637660160 and you're gonna ask that @median ridge
neon tangle
@spice ferry just check out the guide, but warrior isn’t wildly complex
It’s just like DK in the sense that there’s a lot of little micro things you can do
lusty grotto
btw, i haven't said anything i just mentioned interrupt order in UR 13
tank literally rage quit out of nowhere lmao
neon tangle
Like timing DS, knowing what you can AMS, etc
oblique garnet
having to do weekly on dk with necrotic week feels really bad rn
cant just ams cheese it
lusty grotto
chilly brook
wait wut
lusty grotto
i mean you guys think i exaggerate about alliance but this is every week lmao
not even mad about the shaman
the tank though
was doing fine and then rage quit
...on a 13
spice ferry
that's literally why i dont pug anything anymore
random people are shits to play with far too often
lusty grotto
my point is horde pugs aren't even this close to bad
median ridge
i read the resource thing that not answer my question , there's a cap in stat I know the priority and the things that stats do , but there is a cap , so no in no where tells u what the cap's are so.. bruh , read what i ASK
spice ferry
there is never a point where having X amount of stat is enough
lusty grotto
thats your answer
spice ferry
or too much
lusty grotto
cap = no
warm plinth
If there were caps, it would mention the caps.
median ridge
i feel that i get to mutch dmg
ivory barn
I just got a Knot of Ancient Fury Ilvl 400 off of the world boss in Darkshore prolly not better than a 395 Jes or 410 Rezan. Would that be useful over a 370 Syringe for Fury?
spice ferry
that's because you're not executing your rotation correctly (like we were just talking about me on my own warrior above)
analog zinc
Does Necrotic effect Ignore Pain?
warm plinth
I'd use it over a 395 Jes @ivory barn
lusty grotto
IP is affected by necrotic
median ridge
for i have 405 , and do H but i feel that i change so gear and have more dmg recuve
lusty grotto
so is LS and Rallying cry
analog zinc
thanks
median ridge
learning the cap of stat i can deduce what i need more if there is a cap but it dosent exist so , i will keep trying
stats
lusty grotto
there are no caps
spice ferry
surviving comes down to executing your classes rotation correctly, again like we were talking about just above where you asked about stats.
lusty grotto
just need to play better
spice ferry
your stats make literally 0 difference to whether you will or will not die. press the correct buttons at the correct time
and you don't die
do it wrong, (like i do) and you die
lusty grotto
anyone wanna watch awesome alliance pugs or something
warm plinth
Always
median ridge
okey , I ask here cause in every guide or thing said skyhold , so i ask ty for ur answer
lusty grotto
excuse me i forgot the /s
ivory barn
Its ok Nimchip, im over trying to decide trinkets for my MS/OS
lusty grotto
hmm?
spice ferry
because he thinks having X stats will magically make your DR jump
warm plinth
Yeah, crit is strong in M+.
sick sentinel
@median ridge if you are dying then it's not bad stats, it's bad play, so focus on that
median ridge
no i dont die , I take to mutch dmg , and i ask how to fix it , thiking the stat can be the trick
still hound
question guys if i'm Item level 385 and my dps at the target dummy is about 9k that is bad right should it be higher
sick sentinel
@still hound you're focusing on the wrong things
@median ridge the stats are not the trick
All stats are roughly equal
still hound
really can u please give me some advice
sick sentinel
So equip your higher ilvl
@still hound shield slam on cd, thunderclap when you cant slam, revenge and devastate when you can't do anything else
Avatar on cd
Demo shout on cd
Pair trinkets with avatar
still hound
okay that is what im using
sick sentinel
Then you should be alright
still hound
see can i link wow stuff in discord or no ill show u my trikets
spice ferry
you can
sick sentinel
Weapon ilvl and Azerite powers do a lot
sick sentinel
Shield ilvl is literally the most important thing on prot warrior
still hound
okay i got that good
warm plinth
Man even the fucking 385 warrior has a better weapon than me 😂
chilly brook
@median ridge are you dense? There is no cap
warm plinth
Guys would you get off that dude? He gets it
sick sentinel
Griff relax
lusty grotto
ok guys
warm plinth
The conversation has been had. Leave him be
lusty grotto
im gonna stream this
chilly brook
The problem isn't the stats and it's not the class it's your play
still hound
my weapon is adulation enforcer i thoght it was bis before raids
chilly brook
Nah dude not gonna relax, FOTM players always come in here acting like they know better
spice ferry
he didn't act like he knew better tho 🤔
chilly brook
He clearly did
still hound
what is Fotm mean
sick sentinel
@still hound stats don't matter as much as ilvl
chilly brook
When we said there was no cap he goes "but I know there is one"
undone sun
flavor of the month
still hound
okay thakn u
spice ferry
and then we actually explained it to him in more than 3 words
warm plinth
Tbh I don't think he actually meant it that way
spice ferry
and he read it and understoof it
still hound
thx Kaege
warm plinth
He obviously isn't speaking english as a first language
spice ferry
^
warm plinth
Or even a fluent second language
warm plinth
Just getting tired of people being kinda douchey to questions lately
If you don't like the question, no one is forcing you to type
still hound
are you guys going to play classic
chilly brook
To be fair he came back fairly douchey
lusty grotto
no i played classic when it was vanilla
warm plinth
I'm not. I already experienced it once. I'm not eager to do it again haha
lusty grotto
some are though
still hound
me too i was 27
lusty grotto
lmao
spice ferry
im gunna dabble, doubt ill go hard
still hound
watching towelliee play it looks fun
lusty grotto
ghash this is gonna be a good vod
warm plinth
No offense nitemare. We just thought Nim was as old as it got
undone sun
well he still is
still hound
I"m a little old but i love to tank
undone sun
but..
still hound
lol
undone sun
i'll try out classic ,but i have no long term plans
sick sentinel
Like, super casually
lusty grotto
hey im a millennial
chilly brook
On a completely unrelated note, how bout that Baldur's Gate 3 trailer
warm plinth
I was playing MMOs with people in their 50s when I was 14-15 so no judgment here
undone sun
im half zoomer half llennial
still hound
its fun watching towelliee tank as pally in classic beta
warm plinth
Barely a millenial
undone sun
🙃
spice ferry
ive played around on a few pservers and i enjoy lvling and just playing casually more in vanilla than retail. but endgame vanilla is meh
lusty grotto
lol kaege
warm plinth
And can wear plate
still hound
he is prot but when classic comes out he said they cant raid so he going back prot warr
sick sentinel
And pally tanks can do 5 mans
As long as they start having the aggro they don't really lose it
chilly brook
I mean I'm sure they can raid just not well 😃
lusty grotto
the jokes
still hound
true
sick sentinel
The problem is getting the aggro in the first place in raids
lusty grotto
no but seriously
still hound
so question
lusty grotto
we used a pally tank in 4 horseman
sick sentinel
Even bears can tank 5mans
lusty grotto
so i know you can do it
warm plinth
I tanked as a feral druid until MoP
chilly brook
Don't pallys have a huge aggro dump that they can use on other players?
still hound
if i get hopefully like a 390 weapon to replace myi 370 will that weapon cause me to do more damge
sick sentinel
A lot more
chilly brook
yes
sick sentinel
@still hound I sent you a thing I wrote about prot warr gearing
Take a look at it when you have the time
still hound
sweet i see it i will read it thank you
lusty grotto
before key started
sick sentinel
Nice @lusty grotto
still hound
someone quit already
sick sentinel
Alliance?
still hound
what key u doing
lusty grotto
of course of course
ivory barn
lmao
sick sentinel
Scuffed keys let's go
warm plinth
Case study ffs lol
lusty grotto
case study is going really well
warm plinth
I can't watch right now though; work blocks Twitch streams
I'll catch the vod later for sure though
ivory barn
all i hear in Nim's steram is the keyboard 😃
lusty grotto
ya its gonna be good
still hound
is that your name on twitch
warm plinth
He has his link in his discord profile
ivory barn
its quiet tbh
sick sentinel
@warm plinth I will record keys this weekend btw
sick sentinel
I'll have to find a healer though
lusty grotto
sweet kaege
ivory barn
your on a rogue, in a warrior discord. TRAITOR! lmao
warm plinth
Nim is a traitor for sure. He doesn't even mention Stewart's name anymore.
sick sentinel
Healer is off for a motorcycle event-convenstion thingy
chilly brook
I mean who needs a taunt as a paladin when you can just have another paladin DI the other tank, it's like a taunt but better cuz it kills the caster :kappa
sick sentinel
With her husband
chilly brook
The trolling I used to do with that ability
ivory barn
if only I had an alliance tank 🤔
sick sentinel
Divine intervention is probably one of the funniest abilities in vanilla
It's like, those abilities are what made it great
chilly brook
I might actually play alliance in Classic just to be a pally
warm plinth
Make sure you tank in dungeons but forget to put Righteous Fury on
sick sentinel
@warm plinth oh my god ptsd
chilly brook
Lul they're releasing Destiny 2 on steam
warm plinth
Really? Is it not an Activision-Blizzard game?
warm plinth
I'm so spoiled by wowhead that when I hover over like trophy names or achievements on other websites (for other games), I get mad that they don't have the tooltips pop up
ivory barn
I think Nim is getting Trolled....
chilly brook
Bungie retained the rights to it when they left
ivory barn
yo nimchip what ilvl is that monk rofl the tank
oblique garnet
Stop bullying alliance
undone sun
no
oblique garnet
Yes
oblique garnet
junior ivy
when did you turn yellow
warm plinth
Like 3 years ago or something
oblique garnet
Yes
junior ivy
when?
junior ivy
is meat maxer new too
oblique garnet
I dont remember xD
junior ivy
who even is this meat maxer
warm plinth
I think that's just someone who changed their name
junior ivy
oph maybe
oh
some yellow people i never see talk but then i remember arms and fury chats exist too
warm plinth
Yep. And then of course some just don't talk lol
junior ivy
i somehow didnt notice til now
undone sun
either that or my days are all merged together
potent anvil
I never talk, just
warm plinth
You've been talking more recently I've noticed
junior ivy
yeah i dunno who you are either lol
warm plinth
Is it because Thyme's here?
oblique garnet
undone sun
lol
oblique garnet
I should just do like all the other prot SF and never be active 8)
shut summit
yep
potent anvil
I don't even have a prot tag 🤔
warm plinth
Oh shit, three different SF talking at once, someone take a picture
oblique garnet
Are you even prot main deswind i dont even know
potent anvil
I don't know what I am anymore 😞
warm plinth
Not gonna lie, I didn't even know they had spec tags until just now
oblique garnet
Atleast you got 425s
potent anvil
warm plinth
What is that emoji from anyway
oblique garnet
Its deswind
warm plinth
IRL pic?
oblique garnet
🤷
potent anvil
It's the emote I made for myself when I got my sub button on twitch.
warm plinth
Gotcha
warm plinth
Nice lol
winter aspen
423 ilvl 👀
potent anvil
Don't look 👀
warm plinth
Look at this scrub. 4 non-425s
potent anvil
😞
warm plinth
5 actually. Not even a 425 shirt
potent anvil
true
chilly brook
Wait is survival a top tier dps rn?
oblique garnet
No
warm plinth
Like low mid according to WCL
oblique garnet
Deswind your transmog is not as good as the superdad one
It was the same as yours but on kultiran
warm plinth
That Superdad one was actually the best transmog I've ever seen
oblique garnet
Agreed
oblique garnet
Its because they cant be range dps without sliver
oblique garnet
🤔
warm plinth
Shocker there
chilly brook
Fury #2 though
chilly brook
Sure but that also shows what it's capable of
rose quiver
not really
chilly brook
no parse on Un'nat tho
warm plinth
On his parse, the 2nd place DPS was a ret paladin XD
rose quiver
have you ever heard of... padding?
undone sun
Cheese
chilly brook
I don't think there's much padding happening in Mythic Crucible with the small amount of parses that are even up there to begin with
Granted that's just my read on it
oblique garnet
Tbf cabal is pretty much designed to be maximum dps ”padding”
sand egret
yo i haven't hopped in this place in weeks, I can still reflect Cyclone Strike right?
i only ask cuz if I CANT, that's gonna look awk
oblique garnet
You can
outer dew
oh
i gotchu
yo i haven't hopped in this place in weeks, I can still reflect Cyclone Strike right?
i only ask cuz if I CANT, that's gonna look awk
undone sun
What
undone sun
living up to the SF power
oblique garnet
@outer dew you cant reflect it playing guardian
timber nest
oblique garnet
I understand now why none of the other SF arent active
oblique garnet
Could be
potent anvil
You can still reflect Cyclone Strike.
coral jasper
Not worth reflecting tho; it's doesn't do return damage does it?! and I usually try to save mine for a non jolt interrupt if higher keys on tyrannical and just move for CS
warm plinth
It does do return damage.
oblique garnet
It does ~10% of the bosses health
potent anvil
You basically just spell reflect CS, and then first Gust, and then CS, and repeat. That's how it plays out.
Unless you're unlucky with CS being on you twice in a row.
coral jasper
Oh then fuck me... guess I'll start standing in it since he's the "key killer" anyway because you know naturally WHEN YOU POP LUST ||PLEASE TUNNEL||
true
oblique garnet
You can see if its on you if you have all the others stand behind the boss
undone sun
😏
spice ferry
jesus the cost of a specific cap piece
astral crystal
oblique garnet
So assuming they still want people to be able to buy 1 max piece every 2-3 weeks you will get 15k residuum from a +10
spice ferry
yeah id be surprised if that changes
warm plinth
Yeah it’ll be the same ratio I’m sure
stable gazelle
anyone know for shields is ilvl king or should look at stats also
oblique garnet
You dont drop ilvl on shields for anything not socket not better stats
Even if its 5 ilvls
stable gazelle
ive got the champs crit haste shield but just got a 405 haste vers avoid shield just now
just wondering if worth losing 10 ilvls
undone sun
nope
stable gazelle
cheers
oblique garnet
@modern brook 👏🏻👏🏻 you have improved
umbral forge
I'm re-progressing Blockades
Wooo
Hey @oblique garnet I posted a meme in the wow subreddit
lusty grotto
alright that case study pretty much failed
cause i actually got 2 decent alliance groups after wards
that means that, i should def stream whenever i play nimchy to ward off the sucky alliance groups
best conclusion imo
wait what in the goddamn f
47k !??!?!?!
for the random piece
neon tangle
@lusty grotto just don’t be poor
lusty grotto
yup yup
neon tangle
And have more residuum
neon tangle
20k would mean a lot of people could roll on 2+ the first week
lusty grotto
well i suppose so
neon tangle
Given the number of players in method who have been saving since like, week 3
potent anvil
If it's the same as s2, you just need 3 weeks of doing +10s to get a random piece. It's just a matter of how important it is to you to get the very first piece earlier.
oblique garnet
Oh yeah and then you also have the new gear you can buy with wq currency
potent anvil
A weekly 10 should give like 17.2k in s3. Unless they somehow wanted to change how much m+ weekly caches give.
oblique garnet
Have you checked ptr yet deswind?
potent anvil
Not recently.
oblique garnet
Hmm i was thinking if beguiling is already on the ptr build and could be tested
valid sundial
Was just messing around but a glyph that allowed prot to transmog polearms would be nice
neon tangle
It’s been like 19resets since BoD launched, and we got 4 or more until next season
I imagine a lot of method, especially on their mains, will have 20k+
That’s <1k/week
potent anvil
Imagine completing a +21 every week for 47 weeks prior to s3. You'll be able to get a random piece in just 47 weeks
oblique garnet
They had to buy some specific pieces for crucible @neon tangle
Some of them will have more saved sure
neon tangle
I’m sure even if a few got unlucky and had to unload on a specific piece a. Inch will be at it over 20k
Saving about a week is how much blizz gave us last season too
oblique garnet
Yeah i might actually get close to being able to get 1 random mythic piece on the mythic week
potent anvil
I don't really care. I have like 350 or something on my warr lol. Been gambling to get arms and other pieces I wanna test for prot.
spice ferry
earthlink/unstable flames/crystalline carapace?
potent anvil
I would pick unstable flames out of those 3.
neon tangle
^^
oblique garnet
Yeah i dont play dps warrior xD
spice ferry
cheers
oblique garnet
And i got extremely lucky with my rng pieces so i have alot saved
chilly brook
Hmmm
modern brook
@oblique garnet are u talking about my tanking or my lock?
chilly brook
Idk what DPS I should play
lusty grotto
well to be fair, bull was #1 in meters :p
modern brook
oof
chilly brook
Part of me is considering huntard
outer dew
@chilly brook just play feral dudu
lusty grotto
why
lusty grotto
oh
outer dew
Wdym
oblique garnet
Also Nim when youre playing glimmer paladin the glimmer should be the highest on healing
outer dew
Theres no real timer on dudu
lusty grotto
he had a shield pancake
lusty grotto
o
chilly brook
Glimmer is fun af
lusty grotto
ya late i was testing glimmer the other day and forgot to reforge
i only have 2x glimmer so wasn't playing with the talents
outer dew
Glimmer is insane for raids and for rot healing
But shits wack when you only deal with spikes
oblique garnet
If you bring it for m+ you also gotta pump more damage
lusty grotto
yup
outer dew
The pump for glimmer isnt that big imo
chilly brook
It’s all about the pump
lusty grotto
i need a like 3-4% more haste and a glimmer helm though
lusty grotto
lmao which one
warm plinth
The alliance one; 2nd dungeon you did right after Underrot
lusty grotto
i thought that was a monk
chilly brook
I guess I could play mage
warm plinth
Maybe it was Underrot then
chilly brook
But they’re just so boring
lusty grotto
oh
oblique garnet
That was bull xD
outer dew
Wait
chilly brook
1 1 1
lusty grotto
no he means the alliance one
warm plinth
Yeah the alliance one
outer dew
Where you getting this minimum haste for pala?
You can run glimmer with any amount of haste
It feels better at 20
But you dont need 20
lusty grotto
the hammer of wrath guide
outer dew
You dont need it
lusty grotto
i would think min 20% for shock resets to be every other cd without wings
lusty grotto
crusader striking of course
outer dew
It's honestly not a huge deal
Having a small spot where you eat a gcd matyr or flash of light isnt the worst
lusty grotto
oh i know
either way my paladin is still a tiny bit undergeared
i know int doesnt do shit for the glimmer build but still
lusty grotto
it matters for shocks and your standard heals, just not for the glimmer healing
since glimmer doesn't scale with int
outer dew
Being able to top a whole group with flash->bov->shock->cs->shock
Is fat AF
Yea, but outside of rot healing
Like sisters in wcm
Glimmer helps, but it's not ridic
Occasional 20-30k glimmer crit is fat
Dont get me wrong
But in group healing where you just gotta bomb the group
Because some dumb fuck took retarded damage so you couldn't spread your glimmer properly
lusty grotto
yeah i get what you're saying
i think i get why they nerfed it
due to ilvl azerite scaling
outer dew
Tbh, I dont think 8.2 seems inter
mint cosmos
@oblique garnet Can you help me out with my warrior?
mint cosmos
Or does the charge for coaching?
lusty grotto
lmao
lusty grotto
whats a rabbit date
lusty grotto
smh
outer dew
where it host a computer so you're synced
to watching at the same time
LMAO
or we do the old school way
back in my middle school days
those online skype dates
lusty grotto
lmao
outer dew
where you count 1 2 3 to watch a movie together
whew lad
those were the times
come nim bby
you need a younger mistress
😉
come on mang
I EVEN WENT
TO MISTRESS SCHOOL
PAID THE BIG BUCKS
lusty grotto
lmao
lusty grotto
holy shit