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sick sentinel
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huh

ionic fern
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And this is revenge

sick sentinel
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In no situation

opal mesa
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overall for the dungeon clap is a lot higher because of all the non-trash parts

oblique garnet
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@opal mesa what talents are you running

sick sentinel
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ever in the planet of earth

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is BSC god

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Good

opal mesa
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standard @oblique garnet

undone sun
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well?

strong forum
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:doubt:

undone sun
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answer the question

tulip panther
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hmm

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Punish and BsC Pog

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INdominable

undone sun
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what may be standard for one, may not be for another

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reason why it was asked

sick sentinel
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Should I be using bounding stride for this week

ionic fern
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Ugh, okay

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This is ST

opal mesa
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standard according to icyveins and every warrior i talked with

ionic fern
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Top is Revenge bottom is TC

sick sentinel
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when is

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where

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what

oblique garnet
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Mwahi how is your tc only hitting 28k on st?

opal mesa
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1 2 2 3 2 1 1

sick sentinel
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no where on Icyveins does it ssay BSC is better

tulip panther
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Mwahi w\o Ava ?

ionic fern
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It's a old log.

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When we progress Grong

oblique garnet
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Ah

opal mesa
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bsc? what?

sick sentinel
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Yikes

opal mesa
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??? use your words

undone sun
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best served cold

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it's a talent competing with UF

opal mesa
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what about it

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no im not using it

undone sun
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very infrequently people consider it as an option, making TC damage pretty low

ionic fern
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Also i had 0 DC's in that fight @oblique garnet

undone sun
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and Rev higher

ionic fern
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😂

tulip panther
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hows that matchematicly even correct when using clapper

undone sun
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definitely something

oblique garnet
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Im actually curious as to how did you manage to get your revenge be so much higher than tc

undone sun
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turns out it's not talents

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likely rotational

ionic fern
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Give us logs

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🤷

tulip panther
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ether you are not using avatar AT ALL, or missing all the claps, and revenging on cd with 100 targets

sick sentinel
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or he's spamming revenge instead of ignore pain

opal mesa
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it was probably a pull with no avatar its just a random trash fight

oblique garnet
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Even then thunderclap will pull ahead

sick sentinel
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I can still get my clapper to gdo more damage without

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avatar

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and that's me just spamming revenge

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instead of spending on IP

opal mesa
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and yes i have explicitly said im only using clap and revenge in the describe situation because the content is not life threatening

oblique garnet
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Are you using thunderclap on cd?

opal mesa
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since this is a question about optimal dps and not general survivability/tanking

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yeah

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tc>revenge>slam

tulip panther
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optimal dps would be clap > reve

opal mesa
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when just yoloing trivial pulls

ionic fern
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Well, without logs we can't say anything for sure.
In legit all scenarios when playing optimally TC will out DPS Revenge.

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Even without Avatar.

tulip panther
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still doing 1.2mil revenge vs. 818k on clap on a pull 💭

sick sentinel
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What's deep wounds

ionic fern
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The dot we put on enemies

mint imp
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Hey, what do you think guys? Will prot warr still be top tier for M+ in 8.2?

sick sentinel
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Yes

ionic fern
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@mint imp yes

undone sun
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dot from devastate and revenge

sick sentinel
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ahh ok

tulip panther
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why bleed your enemies when you can just kill em 😎

mint imp
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with 70% TC dmg nerf its overall 50% aoe dps nerf. And with boost of guardian druid do you think it will be still top tank dps?

sick sentinel
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50%?

undone sun
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50% damage nerf

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what

sick sentinel
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that's not how it works

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LMAO

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It's definitely NOT how it works

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Y I K E S

oblique garnet
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Its 15% aoe nerf

strong forum
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@mint imp its a 15% aoe nerf, not 50

ionic fern
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Check the pins o.o

oblique garnet
strong forum
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Sounds like troll even

ionic fern
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We did the math,it's roughly 15 percent as stated

mint imp
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ok, dont kill me please 😄

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and how about comparing with guardian druid buff?

sick sentinel
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Trivial

strong forum
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Guardian isn't even close to warri

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Only relevant tank close to warri is pally

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Damage wise

sick sentinel
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Warriors/pallys are still going to be the top

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Our defensives will be better than what pally will be but pally maybe might do more damage as wing uptime dps beats avatar with nerfs from the looks of it

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but avatar defensives

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while wing does not

strong forum
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Well wings kinda is

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Cuz more procs

sick sentinel
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less reliable

strong forum
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Thus more judgements thus more Sotr

sick sentinel
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than our set

strong forum
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Ye

sick sentinel
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basically banking on RNG

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to save you

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but anyway old question

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should I be running bounding stride for necrotric?

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necrotic*

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Depends on comp

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Low CC comp

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like no monk

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or maybe no rdruid

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but that's rare

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Then yes

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for pugs I would be using bounding also right

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even if I have a cmop

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comp*

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as you can't rely on that

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low level pugs I mean

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any other talent choices I can move ar ound for mythic+ or raids. Situation talents I mean

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like is menace better than rumbling just in case you get stun DRed adds

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?

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or just run RE

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no matter

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Menace is garbage

ionic fern
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Use Bolt if you wanna swap something around

sick sentinel
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You either run rumbling or storm bolt

ionic fern
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In that row.

sick sentinel
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ohh an additional 4 seconds

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thought it was another set

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nvm then

strong forum
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Menace does nothing since fear breaks instantly anyway

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So fear is just good way to interrupt everything for a global

sick sentinel
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Ye I thought it was another fear

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so you could use it as an aoe interrupt

strong forum
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That would be cool

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But unnecessary

karmic gazelle
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hey guys, is it worth sacrificing 30+ ilvls for a good trinket?

ionic fern
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More than likely no.

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What trinkets are you talking about?

karmic gazelle
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i have Rezan's Gleaming Eye (ilvl340) , and some other trinkets which i cant remember the name atm ( one is ilvl400 has 350+str with On use crit , and another one that has mastery with a passive effect of AoE )

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sorry if it sounds too ambiguous, i may have to return later with exact names 😄

ionic fern
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I don't know the mastey +passive aoe one.

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But i would not sacrifice 30 ilvls.

karmic gazelle
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even if i lack haste? the rezan trinket gives a huge boost

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but at times it seems over valued, as i get a lot of haste from Into the Fray , and also my main content is m+

oblique garnet
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Yeah no 30ilvls is not worth unless you have the option between 425 sporepods and literally any other trinket at 395

karmic gazelle
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Great! thanks for clearing it up guys

stiff bear
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is the new affixes available for testing on ptr yet?

unborn island
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It probably won't be until the patch actually drops

rose quiver
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what why

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reaping was available for testing on PTR

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as was infested during the beta

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don't see why it would change now

stiff bear
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patcvh wont bring the new affix though, season starts 2 weeks after patch

rose quiver
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he doesn't know what he's talking about

strong forum
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Affix testing wasn't available until 1 of 2 weeks before launch on live

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Atleast reaping

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Iirc

unborn island
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I thought reaping didn't go on PTR until the patch had launched but the affix wasn't live

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I could well be wrong though

strong forum
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Na there was testing

rose quiver
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not could be, you are wrong

strong forum
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Or rather a preview

rose quiver
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yes, reaping was only available to test for a short time

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I think it was across two different weeks, but the overall time was around a week

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it was also pretty overtuned initially and had issues like bolstering affecting the reaping mob's hp etc

strong forum
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So yeah, maybe we'll get to see it around the end of June

sand egret
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I wouldn't be surprised to see it in a week or two

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they'll most likely do a round of it, they like to keep it close to the hip like they did with Reaping

sick sentinel
empty inlet
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can you make wa base on dungeon level/dungeon ?

nocturne rapids
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is the idol for uunat pure dogshit?

warm plinth
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No, it's our strongest defensive trinket.

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In dungeons anyway

nocturne rapids
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oh nice

warm plinth
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In raids it's probably kinda meh

nocturne rapids
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i got the bwon trinket and then the haste trinket from rezan

warm plinth
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Bwonsamdi's Bargain is pretty trash

surreal reef
warm plinth
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The first thing you should do is delete Pawn. The second thing you should do is scrap the 410 cape.

strong forum
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^

rose quiver
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don't scrap it, disenchanting is better

warm plinth
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😂

rose quiver
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bwomsandi's bargain? don't tell me there are still people who loot rasta in tank spec

surreal reef
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i don't look at pawn, just bad habit having it

strong forum
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425 >>>>410+s

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Cloak has the lowest stat gain but still

surreal reef
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a lot of people are telling that socked ~= 15lvls. and avoidance is here as well

strong forum
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Socket has 15ilvl on ring only

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5 on gear

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Avoidance is to be disregarded

warm plinth
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Avoidance is okay but it's not something you factor in to an item decision

strong forum
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In terms of ilvl comparison

warm plinth
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Unless it's identical items with one having avoidance and the other not

ebon hound
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Socket being 15 ilvls is more of a general guideline and only really applies to non-tanks.

empty inlet
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socket is 23 ilvl on ring.

neon tangle
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(for damage)

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(stam isn't worth 0)

empty inlet
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stam is worth 0.

surreal reef
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is it worth having 2 overwhelming powers? alternatives are lifespeed and gutripper

empty inlet
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^ yes

neon tangle
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@surreal reef yeap

surreal reef
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tyvm guys!

neon tangle
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@empty inlet I'd argue that stam is worth a bit, but it's relative to what you're doing and how much other stuff you got

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i.e. I'd prolly value stam more @385 ilvl, or early in a tier than now at 415-ish

empty inlet
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maybe progression stormwall soaking stam could be a brekaing point

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but for most content its worth nothing imo

sand egret
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🤔

lusty grotto
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🤔

modern brook
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I think a better way of saying that

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gearing defensively is for virgins, stack crit

steel mauve
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Its not worth nothing, but @neon tangle is correct, the higher ilvl we get the less valuable stam becomes, the only exception usually being when a tier just releases and you are bleeding edge running mythic prog

modern brook
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STams really good when ur healer is a fucking loid in keys

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🤷

empty inlet
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but less stam reduces damage of bursting and quaking/explosive 🤔

modern brook
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have u considered using shield block 🐒

sweet kettle
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Yeah but you can't drop stamina without dropping other stats as well

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So stamina is good and will always be good

young marlin
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Have you considered not dying? 🐒

silver sail
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@surreal reef socket is 10-20 ilvls for fury btw

young marlin
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You dont farm gear for stamina, end of story. Strength>Haste>The rest is your choice. Avoidance is nice but not worth making a decision over, leech is nice but not worth making a decision over, sockets are worth about the same as 15 item lvls cept 20+ on rings

silver sail
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how is Vers btw

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is it trash

lusty grotto
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Why the f are you guys putting 20 and 15 ilvls on sockets

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I never go past 5

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Smh

sand egret
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idiots. its 14.3 levels for a socket. duh

sick sentinel
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all stats are roughly equal

lusty grotto
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Sockets are def not worth 20 ilvls

sick sentinel
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so no stat is trash

sweet kettle
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^^

lusty grotto
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Sockets are def not worth 15 ilvls either

silver sail
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I was saying for fury

lusty grotto
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10? Arguable on rings

silver sail
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where they definitely are

lusty grotto
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Yeah I wasn't addressing you

sick sentinel
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for fury yeah

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vers is garbo tier

modern brook
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If only

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there were some kind of reord

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with information re our stat priorty

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easily accessible to anyone with access to this discord

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held in a conveinetly named channel

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maybe some kind of guide and resources faq

lusty grotto
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You mean kaegebot

modern brook
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@sick sentinel i have 184 haste, am ilvl 284, and am debating between 15ilvls and haste

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what do

silver sail
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tank 2h

modern brook
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I invented that build

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tyvm

silver sail
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I wanted to try it till I realised you can only thunderclap

lusty grotto
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Kaegebot how have you allowed these guys to put 20 ilvl worth on gear..!weeboquestion

sick sentinel
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@lusty grotto you are allowed to use my copy pasta

silver sail
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not too bad then actually

sick sentinel
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late uses it already

modern brook
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U say it like you do anything else ????

lusty grotto
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Ty sir Johnny kaegebot

modern brook
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just get 200% haste

silver sail
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need my filler buttons or my adhd acts up

modern brook
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then press only tclap

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and it does more damage

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3xdc 1x bom 2x RF

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or 3x dc 1x bom 2x MS

lusty grotto
modern brook
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OOOOOOOOOOOH

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GATHERING STORM IS ACTUALLY VIABLE ON THAT

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unless ravager needs 1 hander

silver sail
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just gimme 2h revenge

lusty grotto
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Your face needs a 1 hander

winter aspen
silver sail
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and ill play it

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it'd be fun to dick around with

modern brook
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u need all ur rage to ignore pain

silver sail
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but blizzard doesn't like that

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no fun

sick sentinel
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50% party

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no need for block anyway

lusty grotto
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You can play 2 hander prot

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In classic

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Huehuehuehue

modern brook
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Classing more like clASSic

lusty grotto
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I maed joke

silver sail
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that's how I'm "tanking" dungeons atm

lusty grotto
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(also not really a joke, you really can)

modern brook
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cause its a bad game u old heads think was enjoyable

silver sail
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yea WW sword best tank weapon

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I get mad aggro

lusty grotto
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Arms tank

silver sail
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compared to a shield and sword

lusty grotto
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Put defensive stance, stack sunders

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That's how I started fam

silver sail
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big heroic strike

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big threat

lusty grotto
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Def clASSic bull

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Fuck that shit ain't nobody got time for that

sand egret
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i do!

sick sentinel
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I will level in classic

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eventually

lusty grotto
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Stupid gen z with all the time in the world

sick sentinel
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nim

sand egret
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🤔

sick sentinel
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classic is more casual friendly

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than bfa

lusty grotto
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I mean bladesong

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Clearly a Gen Z

sand egret
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true

lusty grotto
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😂

sand egret
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you cant have my avacado toast

lusty grotto
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Hmm

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That's the most millennial thing I've heard today

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Is your avocado toast otherwise known as a taco?

sand egret
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now I want tacos

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fuck you dude

lusty grotto
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Mmm that's what I ate

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🐷

sick sentinel
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are tacos a sandwitch?

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kappa

sand egret
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but yeah, i'm all about that leveling experience. I've got a flock of noobs i can't wait to see get rekt by rando Defias bros

silver sail
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ok

sand egret
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soo pumped for that

lusty grotto
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Yo Kaege i wouldn't say it's more casual friendly

silver sail
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Is a hotdog a sandwich?

modern brook
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Tacos are a salad retard

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hot dogs ar e asub

silver sail
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and is a sub a sandwich?

sick sentinel
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hotdogs are a sandwich imo

modern brook
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this isnt har

lusty grotto
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Is pie a pizza

silver sail
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a pizza is a pie

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thats why its called a pizza pie

lusty grotto
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Nono

modern brook
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pizza is a vegetable

lusty grotto
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Are all pies pizzas

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Oh I see

silver sail
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not my pizza bull

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no cheese no tomato

modern brook
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u dont eat pizza then

silver sail
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pizza pie

modern brook
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u eat some dominos ass lil ceasers shit piles

warm plinth
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What the actual fuck kind of pizza are you eating that has no cheese

sick sentinel
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^^

lusty grotto
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Pies

silver sail
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yes

lusty grotto
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Pies are pizzas

modern brook
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All food can be broken down into its atomic structure

ionic fern
sand egret
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the real question, aren't we all just human sausages....

lusty grotto
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Problem solved we did it reddit

modern brook
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There are ingerediants and containers

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the combination of which falls under the 3 major catagories of food

warm plinth
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Alright this is getting way too high school biology for me now

lusty grotto
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I'm not gonna lie, bull started typing and I turned off my phone

modern brook
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😠

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I did a fucking thesis on this

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fuck you

lusty grotto
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Lol

modern brook
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For the record the 3 major catagories are Sandwich prime, Pockets, and soups

lusty grotto
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Haha

sand egret
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so...how about that Stadia

warm plinth
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Wowwww

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Wait, what exactly was your thesis?

lusty grotto
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Stadia is too far ahead of it time

timid jay
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Earth is a sandwich

modern brook
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earth is a pocket

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because it has a crust like a pie

silver sail
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its a pie

lusty grotto
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Why is cosmo purple wtf

modern brook
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which is a pocket

warm plinth
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Nitro booster color

lusty grotto
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Are your powers back cosmo?!?

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Da powahhh

warm plinth
timid jay
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I never had powers in SH?

modern brook
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LOL imagine being apart of the rye-earthers unironically @timid jay

sand egret
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Cosmo just blingin

lusty grotto
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Dang

timid jay
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Proof earth is a sandwich

warm plinth
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Yeah, I don't think either SF or TCs have any actual power. They just have a color that begs people to respect them.

lusty grotto
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Man earth sandwich sounds like it tastes horrible

timid jay
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@warm plinth true

lusty grotto
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Shush, they had powers... In my heart

warm plinth
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lol

timid jay
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Only rank that gives power is the second Val'kyr rank

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If you check the valkyrs the have 2 of those ranks

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and Sarri has the TC rank and the valkyr rank that gives permissions

lusty grotto
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Such blasphemy, I'm not reading anymore

modern brook
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T.T

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I thought rye earther was a good joke

timid jay
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xd

modern brook
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but now we're on to slightly less off topic off topics

timid jay
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It was

modern brook
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:^(

warm plinth
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Not gonna lie, that earth sandwich thing is cool

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The two guys on the opposite ends of the earth

timid jay
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Hot dogs

lusty grotto
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What could an earth sandwich have that makes it tasty though

timid jay
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now thats a sandwich

modern brook
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Hot dogs are a sandwich PRIME

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they're a sub

warm plinth
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Well, I feel like it'd similar to making a bacon wrapped lump of dirt

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With bread

modern brook
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which is a family under genus sandwich prime

lusty grotto
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I mean it's basically a water and dirt sandwich with a bit of meat... Kind of the same as a big mac

warm plinth
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Since all the foods in the world are on the outside (the bacon), and then obviously the earth itself is dirt

modern brook
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sandwich prime of course being the missing link in food evolution

warm plinth
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So I guess if you could ignore the dirt and focus on the bacon, it'd be okay

timid jay
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Pizza is a fancy sandwich

modern brook
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Pizza is a salad

silver sail
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pizza is a pie

modern brook
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until you fold it

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and then its a pocket

warm plinth
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Pizza is the best food ever created; change my mind

modern brook
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salads are asub set of soups

timid jay
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Meatballs

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hello

modern brook
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because its just a soup where u forget the broth

lusty grotto
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That's a calzone okay

modern brook
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^ exactly

warm plinth
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It's still pizza though so who cares

lusty grotto
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A calzone!

modern brook
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I see ur following nim

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ghash still fucking lagging behind

lusty grotto
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Lol

warm plinth
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I'm sorry you guys said pizza and I'm fat

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Wtf do you want

modern brook
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for u to keep up man

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i have to go to a meeting

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bye all

warm plinth
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👋

lusty grotto
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Wait what? Meetings are prime time for #protection discussions of all things not prot related

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I'm still smh on 20 and 15 ilvls on sockets

sand egret
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its 14.3

final mist
sand egret
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stop spreading lies

prisma oracle
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!wa

sand egret
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repeating of course

warm plinth
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If you completely ignore the stamina, they'd be worth 22 ilevels if you're literally just comparing secondary stat gain to socket.

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So maybe that's where the 20 ilevel thing came from

sick sentinel
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it comes from dps players

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that sim

warm plinth
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What's a sim? 🤔

lusty grotto
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lol

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considering the discussion about stamina

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i guess it could make sense 22 ilvls for rings, but for rings only

timid jay
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22ilvl

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thats a lot

lusty grotto
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that's 2 out of how many equipment slots? minus 3 from azerite?

warm plinth
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Again that's 100% ignoring anything except the secondaries.

lusty grotto
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ya

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also i mean if you're completely ignoring stamina to deal with bursting or any HP % based affix, you might as well be naked like naowh did

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🤷

warm plinth
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I do think that if someone decided to drop 20 ilevel on a ring for a socket, it's not like it's gonna make or break that person's character. I would never ever recommend doing so, but in the end it's not going to have a meaningful impact to the average person (but it's also going to only be like a 1 or 2 stat increase over the higher ring, which would be a dumb call to make).

lusty grotto
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well i suppose that much is true, on rings

sick sentinel
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20 ilvls on a ring is 37 secondary stats

warm plinth
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Yep

lusty grotto
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ya that's why he said 22 ilvls

warm plinth
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That's where 20 ilevels comes from, because obviously you can't have a ring that's 22 ilevels apart from another since they go by 5

lusty grotto
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true true

warm plinth
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So you'd gain 3 secondaries and lose a bunch of stam, which in my opinion is a good enough argument to not do it lol

potent anvil
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The only rings that matter are 425s with holes. And I don't have any 😡

warm plinth
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RIP

lusty grotto
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if you don't have any

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none of us do

timid jay
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Dont forget leech on your rights too

lusty grotto
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deswind i need some RNG luck cmon

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cosmo y u do dis

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wait i lied

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nvm i didn't lie, i have a 425 ring but without socket 😃

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had to double check

woeful badge
#

guys for m+ should I stack 3 thunder clap traits or still use 1 ?

vast helm
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whats the best talents for clearing BOD hc

warm plinth
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@woeful badge Depends what your alternatives to the other 2 DCs are.

vast helm
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nvm

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i found it

woeful badge
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well say I want max damage then 3 thunder clap and 3 bastions are the best to have right ?

warm plinth
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No, there are better DPS traits than the 2nd and 3rd DC

potent anvil
#

Pretty sure 2x Treacherous beats 2 more DC's. If you wanted to run 2x Treacherous, that is.

vast helm
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treacherous only for lower keys

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if you go high keys and struggle on health sometimes treacherous wouldnt be good

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honestly

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go here

warm plinth
#

No, do not go there

vast helm
#

look at some of their trait builds

warm plinth
#

That's terrible advice

vast helm
#

why not?

warm plinth
#

Top warriors do dumb shit all the time. Where do you think the leech meme came from

vast helm
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Sure they do but the traits they are using are still good

potent anvil
#

Depends on how comfortable you are tanking, but it isn't as bad as people think it is. The times you actually drop to 20% are far and few between. I ran TC last week (teeming fort) on a 21 and it was fine.

vast helm
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bastion of might is defo op

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count that one in

warm plinth
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Until one guy uses traits that he's just fucking around with and people see he did a key with them and now it's the best because they're rank 1

potent anvil
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The only thing that's a problem is the uptime, which at best is like 95% and worse is like 85% or something.

vast helm
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i mean

potent anvil
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Unless you're constantly getting clapped below 50%.

vast helm
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naowhs warrior has some pretty good traits there

warm plinth
#

I didn't say they all have terrible traits. I said it's not a good idea to use that as a source of what to do

vast helm
#

well

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if you check out 10 warriors

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in the top

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and if they all run somewhat the same, you draw a good idea from that

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atleast i do

warm plinth
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The problem is that no one is going to look at 10 warriors at the top. They'll look at the top and go with what they're doing

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Even if it's just them memeing

vast helm
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ah well

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i usually look multiple top players up to find trends

potent anvil
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The only thing that's staple is 3x BoM, 1x DC. The other combinations are w/e you want. Shun (current #1) runs 2x BS. Then you have Dasbearjuden running MS and IF.

warm plinth
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I agree with what you're saying; it's likely that if the top 10 warriors are all using the same thing, it's probably okay. But since that isn't always consistent and people aren't looking at more than 1 person typically, it's just not a good recommendation.

vast helm
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´BS would relief your healer even more

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so I'd say its pretty ok, but yea preference is really what it comes down too

exotic spoke
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Bs isn’t that good honestly. The bonus it gives is minimal. Imo there are better options if you need survivabilty - which we typically don’t - and options for more dps too

inland bolt
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@potent anvil MS = meticulous scheming?

ionic fern
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Yes

inland bolt
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doesnt rads just run 3Bom 3dc in every key

exotic spoke
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Also, the top players are often doing things “they shouldn’t” because of something very specific.

strong forum
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yea rads is doing the meme

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with leech + dc stack

sick sentinel
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@potent anvil I am trying to get my mekka shoulders to go 1 DC 2TC and 3 BoM but lootcouncil is being bad :C

inland bolt
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no

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he runs deadly navigation

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areyou guys trolling me again

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jesus

strong forum
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really now

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i thought he was still using siphoning

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havent watched in like 3 weeks though

inland bolt
#

no lol he says quick navigation is bad past 22% haste after ITF

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so he runs deadly

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and any extra haste above 22% haste is a waste in M+

final mist
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🤔

potent anvil
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He's running siphoning as per his armory page.

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He also runs a strength gem.

strong forum
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big 🤔

inland bolt
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thats his armory page lol, check his stream rn

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hes live

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i think he had deadly for a while as well

sick sentinel
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I did run deadly for the necro sanguine week

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for the memes

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but I went back to quick

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and it's a lot better, at least for me

potent anvil
#

Also the bigger issue here is why would you agree with his assessment that quick nav is bad past 22% haste?

sick sentinel
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I didn't agree

potent anvil
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No, @inland bolt

sick sentinel
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oh

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shawruss is pretty anal about the 22% haste thing

final mist
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🤔🤔🤔

sick sentinel
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it's because it's the amount of haste required to have 3xSB and and that you get both your SBs back after LS

inland bolt
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i literally tune onto a another random stream and they were talking about it

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thts why i brought it up lol

final mist
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People talked about 30% being a haste cap all of Legion too, that didn’t make it any more true than it was

sick sentinel
#

saying it's useless is straight up wrong

final mist
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Which it wasn’t

inland bolt
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its not useless lol

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haste is nice

sick sentinel
#

that's what you have been saying though

lusty grotto
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👋

sick sentinel
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nim, not now

lusty grotto
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i know i know

potent anvil
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If you wanted to be op, just run RAGE trinket with rezan's, double meticulous and have every haste proc under the sun and hold SBx7 or more.

sick sentinel
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I had 5 hasteprocs for a hot minute

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it was really fun

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lmao

exotic spoke
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Feels good man

sick sentinel
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I felt tankier than compared to know

inland bolt
#

does having that many haste procs change anything? i thought you can only get thunderclap every second gcd anyway?

sick sentinel
#

but yeah let's not go with what I felt it's not the point

exotic spoke
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Sigh

sick sentinel
#

yes but GCD comes quicker

inland bolt
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o.o

exotic spoke
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And SB recharged faster

potent anvil
#

200% haste during avatar, if you want Thunderclap every GCD. But haste does more than just thunderclap's CD.

sick sentinel
#

I literally did not have to press LS to cover SB gaps

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sometimes

exotic spoke
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Imagine if you had lust during that too

final mist
#

Just run 250% Mastery, then you never have to press SB deswind

potent anvil
#

true

sick sentinel
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also they did not happen at the same time, they were spread out lmao

exotic spoke
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But how do I get to use BFI to its fullest then sal!

lusty grotto
#

but sal what about my SS boost 😦

sick sentinel
#

perma 70% haste or something

potent anvil
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i can get 95% mastery with a 410 lurker's during avatar deswind

exotic spoke
#

Yeah kaege I mean during that period of 5 price

outer dew
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Just run full crit with ravager

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Smh

sick sentinel
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100% mastery argus memes?

exotic spoke
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Procs

sick sentinel
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it was rezans/quick nav/eng helm's gismo/OP/MS

lusty grotto
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can i meme now kaege

sick sentinel
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good thing with MS is that you can delay it a bit if it procs at the end of the pack

lusty grotto
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btw

exotic spoke
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Nim - weren’t not saying you can’t. At least I’m not. But just remember there are consequences

sick sentinel
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yes you can meme now

lusty grotto
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iirc there's a gcd reduction cap

sick sentinel
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100% haste

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0,75s

potent anvil
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My best was around 130% haste using engi helm, 2x meticulous, quick nav, rezan proc

lusty grotto
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nods

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man ive been thinking about trying to roll for MS chest

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but after that 90k hit in KR last week

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back to back

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i have a hard time looking past IF

sick sentinel
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1dc 2tc 3bom is master race

final mist
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Back in Legion, I hit like 150% Haste pre-Lust on my Paladin

sick sentinel
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rn I am 1dc 1 tc 1if 3bom

alpine shard
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ive had 185% haste on fury

ionic fern
oblique garnet
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meticulous is big in m+

lusty grotto
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i could do that Mwahi

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but i'd lose MS

ionic fern
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🤷

lusty grotto
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but i love me some MS 😦

ionic fern
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Then use it.:D

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No one's stopping you

potent anvil
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Haste past 22% is useless 😡

final mist
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:triggered:

warm plinth
#

RIP Nitro

final mist
warm plinth
lusty grotto
#

literally how the shit storm started a few weeks ago

final mist
#

I don’t understand why that doesn’t let me use it here, it’s a Skyhold emote

lusty grotto
#

thats why i waved lmao

warm plinth
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Yeah but it's still animated 😢

final mist
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I have nitro

warm plinth
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Oh dear

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Broken af

lusty grotto
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can we use gifs yet though

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i thought it was tricky

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sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't

warm plinth
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Idk I've never had a problem using it as long as I had Nitro

lusty grotto
#

animated emotes or gifs?

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excuse me, emojis

warm plinth
#

Animated emojis; can we not use gifs here?

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I'm pretty sure I have before

lusty grotto
#

ah

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yeah sometimes they do work

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ok that def works

potent anvil
lusty grotto
#

quick delete it before thyme gets upset

sick sentinel
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Lmao

lusty grotto
#

that was a good gif ghash

warm plinth
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I usually do delete them shortly after posting actually XD

sick sentinel
#

Very good

lusty grotto
#

10/10

warm plinth
#

Also if I were catering to Thyme (who I do love with all my <3), I wouldn't have left the link preview in the guide link earlier 😮 But don't tell him

cobalt trellis
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question about last stand being in rotation.... say i can use SB 3x until i have no charge available for the next couple of seconds, so i have a theoretical uptime of sb for 18 seconds... after that there is a tank swap, which allows me to reset on my sb charges.... when would you use last stand in this case? just wait until i eventually run out of sb charges while still actively tanking?

lusty grotto
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dont use it

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you dont need it, dont use it

cobalt trellis
#

ok sounds right

lusty grotto
#

it doesnt do anything for you while you're not actively tanking

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SB at least buffs your SS,

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LS doesn't

cobalt trellis
#

k thx

warm plinth
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You buff your SS

lusty grotto
#

if you refresh your SB stacks, you're back to square one so you can use it after 3

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but of course, if you're actively tanking

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lol

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youre right ghash, i have to press my SS harder

exotic spoke
#

Obviously - the harder you hit your buttons the more damage they do

lusty grotto
#

....while yelling

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HYAAAHHH presses 4

warm plinth
#

Fun fact: I've been playing havoc for so long that it actually hurts my wrist to play prot even for a short period of time.

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Because I'm not used to hitting multiple buttons that frequently 😂

exotic spoke
#

People (melee) bitched when I was gnome in legion. With the IP screams gnomes make

warm plinth
#

Hahaha

exotic spoke
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Hiyaaah hiiiaaahhhh hiyaaah

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So I started moving closer to them when possible

lusty grotto
#

how close are these people playing to their characters

warm plinth
#

My girlfriend plays a female gnome warrior. Though tbh I don't notice any sounds unless she heroic leaps

cobalt trellis
#

totally emerged

warm plinth
#

Because it's like "HEEEEYAAH!"

exotic spoke
#

Oh, yeah I was female gnome

lusty grotto
#

first person WoW

cobalt trellis
#

3d

warm plinth
#

Tbh I don't notice most things that people complain about

lusty grotto
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gotta make them scroll back their cam to africa like proper players

warm plinth
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Like someone was complaining about the dwarf devastate animation yesterday and I'm like I literally didn't even know what that looked like until they said something and I went and hit the target dummy.

lusty grotto
#

then they will not hear the yells

red wedge
#

Wait. None of you play in First Person?

sand egret
#

I do

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with no HUD

red wedge
#

THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY

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:D

warm plinth
#

I remember my guild in Legion doing like 1st person M+ runs and shit.

lusty grotto
#

lmao

warm plinth
#

Which is actually really hard in some dungeons lol

lusty grotto
#

now i wanna do that

red wedge
#

oh god

lusty grotto
#

on a high key

sand egret
#

i'm not even kidding

red wedge
#

I might make my group do that next key we do

lusty grotto
#

and stream it

warm plinth
#

Some mechanics you just can't even see happening unless you stare at your feet; it's bad lol

sand egret
#

I did First-Person Freehold with my coworkers last month

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cannonballs were a problem

lusty grotto
#

should do a rigatony + nimchy run on 1st person

sand egret
#

also...sharks

lusty grotto
#

LMAO

sand egret
#

and not gonna lie

lusty grotto
#

that sounds kinda fun tbh

sand egret
#

shit looks a lot more intimidating when you mongo pull, and kite back and see this HORDE running at you

cobalt trellis
#

blood siphon or elemtal whirl?

sand egret
#

you kinda appreciate the mongo pull a lil' more

cobalt trellis
#

raid and m+

sand egret
#

I like whirl, but you can't go wrong with either

lusty grotto
#

both are decent

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siphon is slightly better defensively

cobalt trellis
#

ok guess im staying with blood siphon...

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i do have like 1,3k mastery atm tho..

lusty grotto
#

you could swap to whirl then

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what's the third pick btw?

cobalt trellis
#

strength in nr

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btw we are progressing mekka

lusty grotto
#

whirl it is

cobalt trellis
#

also i do have some trinkets to swap... could get rid of 410 vial (with avoid) to get 410 block... (1st trinket is 415 diamond)

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trying whirl then later

sick sentinel
#

Stick with the vial

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Good to pop it with avatar

exotic spoke
#

Are you doing m+ or raids kurbis?

warm plinth
#

I would use vial+block if you're doing M+

exotic spoke
#

Because this week for m+ I’d use vial / block instead of diamond

lusty grotto
#

he said both

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also progging mekka

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truth is there's no one size fits all

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gotta change things up a bit for each if you wanna min/max

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diamond/vial might be a bit better for ST progression

exotic spoke
#

I’m at work and didn’t see nim.

But for m+ run vial / block. For raid diamond / vial

lusty grotto
#

vial/block for this week's M+

sick sentinel
#

Nah

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Don't be a coward

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Use diamond this week

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Mongo keys

lusty grotto
#

👉 🚪

sweet kettle
exotic spoke
#

Diamond is pretty worthless

warm plinth
#

Whaaaat? I love my trinket's effects being destroyed by an affix

lusty grotto
#

you guys know that the sense emoji has a Bert hidden in it

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i realized that a few weeks ago

sick sentinel
#

It's his pfp yeq

#

Diamond this week is actual garbage

lusty grotto
#

yea well

warm plinth
#

Oh that's what that is; I knew that shit looked a bit off

sick sentinel
#

Like it does literally nothing

exotic spoke
#

Literal trash this week

lusty grotto
warm plinth
#

That wasn't the emoji damnit

lusty grotto
#

i miss :literalgarbage:

unborn island
#

So, KR this week....actually not too bad if you have a soothe/multiple soothes??

exotic spoke
#

I wonder if I can get up to 100 stacks in tos if we do it again this week

inland bolt
#

does bwonsamdi's bargain get effected by necrotic?

sick sentinel
warm plinth
#

:literalgarbage: was RGM, not haft though. I just want that made clear.

lusty grotto
#

im pretty sure it was haft, are you sure

warm plinth
#

100% sure

unborn island
#

If you're not high enough for the tyrannical bosses to be a literal brick wall

lusty grotto
#

huh

exotic spoke
#

I personally think bargain is trash for me

warm plinth
#

Haft was always haft

lusty grotto
#

what key lvl loose?

unborn island
#

18

exotic spoke
#

I hate trinkets that have procs like that

unborn island
#

(High for me :) )

lusty grotto
#

well i mean first boss will still hit hard as fuck on the gold jizz

inland bolt
#

does the bargains absorb decrease with necrotic stacks? if not its probs bis this week on some bosses

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esp on tyr fh

warm plinth
lusty grotto
#

aha!

warm plinth
#

Thyme to the rescue even when he's not here. He was literally the last 3 uses of that emoji in this channel 😂

sick sentinel
#

@inland bolt I'm 90% sure it gets reduced

warm plinth
#

I don't think anything is an exception for Necrotic anymore

oblique garnet
#

Yes the absorb gets reduced by necrotic

outer dew
sick sentinel
#

Literally just me kapp

lusty grotto
#

i have no words

outer dew
#

I know, I know

lusty grotto
#

what is this pfp tofu

warm plinth
#

I was just wondering that myself Nim

lusty grotto
#

lmao that's true tofu

outer dew
#

It's from a song I really like

lusty grotto
#

looks korean-ish

warm plinth
#

Wait, how do you have your nickname different from your username Tofu?

lusty grotto
#

am i right?

outer dew
#

Yes

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And its viet

#

Lol

lusty grotto
#

shit

#

im racist

outer dew
#

I listen to a lot of vietnamese music

warm plinth
#

Wow Nim.

lusty grotto
#

im sorry

warm plinth
#

Shame on your whole family.

lusty grotto
#

😦

oblique garnet
#

@warm plinth You can change your nickname in discord by right clicking your name etc

warm plinth
#

I know, but it doesn't work in here

lusty grotto
#

depends on your role

#

some roles allow it

warm plinth
#

Tofu has the same roles I do

lusty grotto
#

however, im not 100% sure if some roles do in here, it's different server by server

outer dew
#

Someone changes it for m3

#

Lol

lusty grotto
#

tofu just hax

outer dew
#

Long time ago

warm plinth
#

Confirmed special treatment

sick sentinel
#

I've changed my name like several times here

lusty grotto
#

we know Poyo

outer dew
#

Oh

#

You wre poyo

lusty grotto
#

but you have to change your whole account name for that to happen

outer dew
#

This mofo

warm plinth
#

I wondered where 🐔 went

sick sentinel
#

I was INR before poyo u know

warm plinth
#

Yes, yes you were

lusty grotto
#

neg

outer dew
#

I know

#

But I was like

lusty grotto
#

once poyo always poyo

outer dew
#

Who's this autistic

lusty grotto
#

lmao

outer dew
#

Mofo

warm plinth
#

lullll

lusty grotto
#

does it make sense now

outer dew
#

That randomly goes in here

#

And goes

#

Poyo

lusty grotto
#

it's Wadu 2.0!

sick sentinel
lusty grotto
#

👏

warm plinth
#

:clap:

lusty grotto
#

🤝

outer dew
#

@sick sentinel it's not from an ani.e

#

???

warm plinth
outer dew
#

i don't even watch anime

#

LMAO

#

love me some cdramas

lusty grotto
#

what about korean soap operas

sick sentinel
#

That don't look irl humans,

outer dew
#

korean ones are okay

#

I watch chinese ones though

lusty grotto
#

im trying really hard not to sound racist

outer dew
#

are you gonna ask me

#

what's the difference?

#

LMAO

lusty grotto
#

so i'm gonna tippy toe around what i'm about to say

#

ok i don't have to

warm plinth
#

WOOOOOWWW

lusty grotto
#

yay me!

outer dew
#

cdramas are usually more political/historical

lusty grotto
#

jebaited racism on tofu!

outer dew
#

and chinese fantasy is different compared to korean fantasy

lusty grotto
#

oh i see

outer dew
#

chinese fantasy is more 3 kingdoms / martial arts

lusty grotto
#

so like Chinese Game of Thrones?

outer dew
#

and cultivation

#

kind of

#

yea

sick sentinel
#

Nim confirmed not to participate in the Race War because of cowardness

outer dew
#

a lot of chinese dramas

#

is Chinese GoT

#

lol

lusty grotto
#

but do they have a Chinese Charles Dance?

outer dew
#

HMM

#

I

#

GOT YOU BBY

lusty grotto
#

hold on

#

the most important question

#

is do they have a Chinese Rose Leslie

sick sentinel
#

If it doesn't help push Nim to participate in the Race War who cares

outer dew
#

hmm

#

just love Fan BingBing

#

and live is good

lusty grotto
#

lol

outer dew
#

and this one the equivalent of Charles Dance

#

basically

sick sentinel
#

I can feel the three kingdoms in that photo

outer dew
#

it is

#

that's Cao Cao

#

lol

junior ivy
#

hi

outer dew
#

side note

#

need to find someone to watch this drama with me

#

but no one wants to watch Cdrama with me

#

true struggles

sick sentinel
#

Like 99% of entertainment from Asia is about the three kingdoms

outer dew
#

everyone wants anime ot kdrama

#

ehh

#

not really

lusty grotto
#

wow

#

inr

outer dew
#

that's actually

lusty grotto
#

that's racist

outer dew
#

racist

#

LMAO

#

you can't be like

#

Wuxia = Three Kingdoms

#

LMAO

sick sentinel
#

You do realize I would not only sell the human race but my own people for super human powers

lusty grotto
#

noted

sick sentinel
#

Like I'm committed to the race war since day 0

outer dew
#

LMAO

sick sentinel
#

I don't care if we lose the war so long as I get it

#

It never is about winning it's about having the ability to have a tail

#

That shoots lasers

#

And the ability to shoot lasers generally

lusty grotto
#

hmmm

outer dew
#

I always new INR

#

was a furry

#

wants a tail

lusty grotto
#

yikes

sick sentinel
#

If it get me laser beams and flying I'll be a bottom

waxen cradle
#

Hey Hey If I could shoot lazers a tail would be a bonus

#

ever seen a animal with a tail not happy

outer dew
#

yes

waxen cradle
#

hell no cause he has a fucking tail

outer dew
#

you ever yell at a dog

#

the instant depression

waxen cradle
#

shoot lazers shit thats like I'm done I can die happy now

sick sentinel
#

That's good because he used it against you

#

So again, useful

outer dew
#

next dog i'm gonna cut of it's tail and eat it

#

and rats

sick sentinel
#

Guilt Tripp is a perfect tool

outer dew
#

don't have cute tails

waxen cradle
#

exactly you yell at a dog and then he wags his tail and just wants to play so who won really ?

outer dew
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I'd still eat

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rats in a heart beat

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tail or no tail

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they look like smaller rabbits

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heck

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the tail isn't even edible

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they cut off hte tail

waxen cradle
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the other other other meat that AGAIN tastes like fucking chicken

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the skinny dude from the Matrix was right Mind Blown

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AND I can't unplug from WoW.... OMG I took the blue pill

outer dew
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i unplugged from wow

inland bolt
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is leech effected by necrotic?

sick sentinel
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Yes

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I unplugged from wow to plug into ff14 and division by 2

exotic spoke
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Once you get over 50 stacks though it’s not impacted any more though.

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Lol very nice. Personally just built a new computer - installing windows / steam and then I can go back to playing total war games

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I am not looking forward to reinstalling my steam library though....

sick sentinel
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I will never get the apply of steam since I barely purchase more than 1 game a year from it

warm plinth
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Just depends what kind of gamer you are I guess.

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I like Steam because they have great sales

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So I can buy games that I've only not purchased before because I'm a cheap bastard

sick sentinel
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The problem is mainly due to the fact that I don't find a lot to buy

warm plinth
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I just bought Borderlands 2 and the pre-sequel + DLC for $6 (normally $229 altogether)

sick sentinel
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Like I have left 4dead 1/2 on my wishlist but in reality I already played and beat them on console

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So it's like the fuck is the point even if it's on sale for $1

warm plinth
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I bought Dying Light, DSR and DS3 on Steam even though i've beaten them all with full trophies on PS4 lol

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I am just trying to transition to PC gaming exclusively though. I can still use a controller on games that I like using a controller for

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Saves me from having to buy a console unless there's a game that I have to have that's console only

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Which doesn't happen very often

junior ivy
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dying light is good

lusty grotto
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tofu you're not making this easy by saying you'll eat dog

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also @exotic spoke you can copy paste the steam folder

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but honestly it might be slower than just redownloading everything

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i def use controllers on soulsborneshadows games

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kb + m on soulsborneshadows games is 🤢

warm plinth
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I use a controller for Dying Light too but mostly because I've already been playing it with one for so long

lusty grotto
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yuck

warm plinth
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No real reason you need a kb+m for that game

lusty grotto
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shrug isn't it first person?

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cant play FPSes with controllers, f that

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eww

warm plinth
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Yeah but it's not a shooter. You have guns but they aren't super frequently used and they aren't as fleshed out as a typical FPS so you don't need the pinpoint accuracy of a mouse

lusty grotto
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i'm a quake kid

warm plinth
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99% of the weapons are melee weapons

lusty grotto
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i see i see

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sleepy cmon

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i feel like you've been here long enough to know the answer, or at least to know where to look

last mason
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You’re not wrong

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I’ll take it back

lusty grotto
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its fine :p

last mason
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I keep trying and failing to get into tanking

lusty grotto
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how come?

last mason
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I just don’t know the dungeons well enough since I can’t really run that many as warrior dps

lusty grotto
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oh

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well just run really low keys

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even m0s

last mason
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Good idea

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I mean I have the gear

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But stuff like shrine and kr scares me

lusty grotto
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it shouldn't

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shrine right now with the extension to timer is kinda free-ish

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there are ways where you can fuck up bosses but

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that won't happen in lower keys