protection

[willow scarab]

I think something else is going on

[orchid token]

At 408 you shouldn't be losing aggro at the start of a pull to anybody for any reason

So if you are, you're doing something wrong

[willow scarab]

Full defensive traits, trinkets and wasting 2 out of every 3 globals

that would do it

[jagged narwhal]

It's mainly one Warlock who's like 418 I think, and one Frost Mage who's 420 when he has Glacial Spike and Flurry ready on pull

[sick sentinel]

warlocks aint rly a problem

[unkempt notch]

Unless they pull early

[sick sentinel]

That applies to all classes

[exotic spoke]

Cool, I’m just curious about three in particular - and depending on the amount of avatar up time increase - more TC / more mastery - that it doesn’t end up as bad as it seems

[orchid token]

Your raid logs are still helpful

[unkempt notch]

I know. But it's a problem for him :p

[jagged narwhal]

They are both SUPER DPS horny and will start precasting the second I start moving forwards

[willow scarab]

the only time i'm ever losing aggro is on a non avatar charge clap against a 420 dh plumage pot eyebeam

so i just clap again and aggro is mine

[sick sentinel]

Yeah DH fel barrage or something

[jagged narwhal]

Often their spells Hit before my charge is finished

[orchid token]

Shouldn't matter

[sick sentinel]

Increase ur pace then

[willow scarab]

Like this obviously sucks to hear

[exotic spoke]

Yeah fumeiyo. That’s about right lol

[willow scarab]

I get that

[sick sentinel]

Gotta be ahead of them and they follow

[willow scarab]

But it's a you problem

[jagged narwhal]

I mean it probably Is. I never claimed to be the best tank 😄

[sick sentinel]

Link ur WCL

[orchid token]

Them precasting is not something that should affect you being able to get aggro

[sick sentinel]

New skyhold logo???

[willow scarab]

Do you have the ability to record a M+ for us to review it

[barren wagon]

hii just got the 1 hand axe from waycrest, Servant splitter
is it good for tanking? or should i just choose 1 hand wep with stats

[willow scarab]

I think you could get a lot of information from us

[sick sentinel]

Very good

Use it, big pumper weapon

[exotic spoke]

@jagged narwhal change your opener and see if that helps - don’t back to back avatar / demo + start your opener with TC

[willow scarab]

@barren wagon good for ST parsing, bnad for everything else. take a wep with same ilvl but stats for survivability

[sick sentinel]

for raid very nice, M+ not so much

[exotic spoke]

Like avatar mid charge you can get there and thunderclap

[sick sentinel]

Could even leap in

[willow scarab]

@jagged narwhal Just log + record a M+ for us to analyze and breakdown for you

[sick sentinel]

I see some weak warriors do that

[willow scarab]

you'll become 2x as good we promise

[jagged narwhal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d3J76X8QPYfKbC9W/#fight=14

Here's logs from our latest CoS HC (where i Parse SUPER poorly because I'm also raid leading and calling Kick rotations)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/daBJ9x4P7t3yTAhq/

Here's from our most recent Jaina attempts

[sick sentinel]

They like leap in, clap and then avatar

[willow scarab]

'atta boy

[jagged narwhal]

I say attempts. I mean Kill

[sick sentinel]

Ironic name

[jagged narwhal]

Concerned is me

[sick sentinel]

I know

That's why its ironic

[jagged narwhal]

I figured tbh. But didn't hurt to mention 😄

[willow scarab]

You're clearly doing something very very wrong

#13 and #30

Let's break it down for you

[sick sentinel]

Looking at the jaina log

Why aint u avatar on pull, u hold for awhile

[exotic spoke]

Imma break it down to me - it’s about time to start debating if i call out tomorrow

[sick sentinel]

and don't use berserking with it

???

[willow scarab]

Straight off the bat 7 avatars in a 10:30 fight on jaina

you should be closer to 11/12

[exotic spoke]

So cya all

[sick sentinel]

Yeah Ive seen 9 on a 8 min kill

[willow scarab]

cya

7 vatars in a 9:54 kill

[barren wagon]

current wep with 370 1 hand, might use it for m+ for now thanks guys

[willow scarab]

You're pressing avatar 3/4 of the amount of times you should be

[orchid token]

@jagged narwhal you have far too much downtime and do not use abilities as often as you should

[willow scarab]

As I mentioned before - you probably have defensive traits

[sick sentinel]

Yeah regarding avatar usage, on pull for jaina use it

[willow scarab]

confirmed by your armory

[sick sentinel]

always use avatar on pull unless youre stacking grong on the adds that spawn

But you aint worrying about that

[willow scarab]

Defensive traits + trinkets + not using spells enough is what I said earlier

And that is exactly what's here

[orchid token]

Using half as many thunderclaps as you should

[jagged narwhal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N7pytahvXzCY2G6D/ These logs are probably a bit closer to my average plays tbh. I also Raid Lead while tank, so on fights where i Micromanage the raids my rotation suffers. Those logs are from Alt Night HC with bosses I micro Manage less (Mekka Notwithstanding)

[willow scarab]

I use to raid lead and was #3 on all stars for the entire tier

[sick sentinel]

Just link ur page

[willow scarab]

I understand it's more work/harder but excuses just mean your logs are grey/green when they could be orange

[jagged narwhal]

@willow scarab Yeah but you're also better than me probably 😄

[sick sentinel]

probably

[orchid token]

Conclave is a good fight to look at

If that's more like your regular tanking

Then that explains your agro issues in m+

[sick sentinel]

You gotta use avatar on pull and spam your keys

[orchid token]

Because you're spending a lot of time just not doing anything

[willow scarab]

wow

big issue

let me screenshot everyone, nobody type

41 claps 5:33 fight for you

[sick sentinel]

I don't understand why you always use avatar late, not right on pull

[orchid token]

Conclave

[sick sentinel]

Like, youre losing so much dps

[willow scarab]

83 claps 4:07 fight for me

[jagged narwhal]

Probably a good job I'm most likely not tanking 8.2 then 😄 I Knew I wasn't the best but didn't think it was this bad

[willow scarab]

This is our side by side conclave

I double yoru claps in 1:30 slower kill

You clap 9k i clap 30k average

[sick sentinel]

Use avatar on pull, don't hold it for like 10 seconds. That's why u struggle with aggro

[jagged narwhal]

is Claps that more damage on Singletarget?

[willow scarab]

This is why there is a threat issue

[jagged narwhal]

I never struggle with Threat in raids tbh

[orchid token]

Of course not

[sick sentinel]

Well use avatar on pull and more often

[orchid token]

Because you're hitting one primary target

[willow scarab]

you 45 slam i 65 slam

[sick sentinel]

Like on rastakhan

[willow scarab]

you 5:33 me 4:07

[sick sentinel]

3 adds and then rastakhan comes

[willow scarab]

so even if you thought slam was better you still used none comparitavely

[sick sentinel]

Ur losing so much dmg from holding avatar

Jaina, 3x target (2 marine and jaina)

holding avatar and they die

then u use and lose free dmg

[jagged narwhal]

tbf Jaina we have 2 priests Mind controlling them asap

[willow scarab]

In your 5:33 kill you used 4 avatars, in my 4:07 kill I used 5

You wanna explain yourself

[sick sentinel]

He uses it late

and doesn't press enough keys

[willow scarab]

If my kill extended to 5:33 I would have had 7 avatars on conclave

almost double

[orchid token]

That's a bit aggressively put

But yeah, you just don't use the important buttons often enough

[willow scarab]

sorry my bad

i just had a coffee

hyped up

The long story short is press more buttons, press important ones as soon as you can, use dps traits and dps trinkets

[orchid token]

You use devastate way too much

[orchid token]

WAY too much

[sick sentinel]

see that gap between the border and avatar

that's an issue

Lemme show u a good example

[orchid token]

Devastate should only be used after Shield Slam, Thunderclap, and any free Revenge procs are used

[sick sentinel]

It should be used when u got nothing

[jagged narwhal]

I've not gone for any DPS traits 'cause I'm building for Raids and surviving M+ and wanted full defensive for that

[orchid token]

Traits are irrelevant

You can parse orange with defensiventraits

[sick sentinel]

Nah traits make a big diff

[orchid token]

So don't worry about that

[willow scarab]

You can survive 20+ keys and M Jaina on playstyle alone

[jagged narwhal]

But I probably am Devastating way to much because it's just on my 1 key and I hit it with impunity. I guess I should try moving Devestate to where my Shieldslam button is 😄

[willow scarab]

traits and trinket don't stop you dying, good play does

[sick sentinel]

Like survival aint an issue when u manage ur resources well

Plan for stuff etc

[orchid token]

DPS trinkets and traits are the difference between 95% and 99%, not 50 and 95

It goes both ways

[jagged narwhal]

when I say "Survive" I mean "Survive trough my own mental health." I'm not that fond of tanking M+s keys. I mostly want to tank for Raids

[sick sentinel]

Like ppl have killed jaina with low dtps and no DC trait which is big defensively

[jagged narwhal]

and I feel for Raids survivability has much higher value than DPS

[orchid token]

You can survive just fine with DPS traits and you can do good damage and keep aggro with defensive traits

[timid jay]

Consistently never dying is amazing for progress

And is something you should aim for

Once you got that down you can focus on dps

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but being a blob that absorbs dmg only is not good

U need to dish it out

[willow scarab]

The thing is that you don't need to do all this extra stuff to live

[jagged narwhal]

Which is why I've gone full defensive traits

[willow scarab]

You live by pressing buttons

[timid jay]

OH Mwhai was writing

[orchid token]

You do both things by pressing buttons

[timid jay]

Leech is the best way to consistently stay alive

[orchid token]

In your case it's not worth worrying about DPS traits until you get your devastate overuse & shield slam/thunderclap/avatar underuse sorted

@jagged narwhal

[ionic fern]

Surviving = playing the class properly. No trait is going to change that.

[sick sentinel]

Best way to stay alive is kill boss faster

[willow scarab]

Necrys though

[ionic fern]

Also @timid jay is a color again

[willow scarab]

Did you miss the start of this

[timid jay]

xd

[willow scarab]

He is having threat issues

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

Just use devastator, BV is weak

[orchid token]

Yeah, and going for dps traits wont fix threat issues when devastate is this overused

[jagged narwhal]

I'm having minor threat issue on openers in M+

[ionic fern]

@sick sentinel what ?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah

[ionic fern]

....

[jagged narwhal]

Never a sustained threat issue or on bosses

[orchid token]

DPS traits don't fix threat issues

[willow scarab]

You said 9/10 times you're fine, so 10% of the time it's an issue

[timid jay]

BV being weak in 2k19 🤔

[sick sentinel]

Devastator is very good

[orchid token]

DPS traits is what you take when you're doing good damage already and want to do top ranking damage. They don't turn bad damage into good damage

[ionic fern]

"BV is weak". No it's not.
Does it fall behind Devastator on ST, jeah, sure a bit but by no means is BV weak on ST.

[willow scarab]

I second devastator being good but only in a position like you/me/necrys

[jagged narwhal]

is Devastator strong? Because I was looking at that. I thought going for it might smooth out my rotation more

[willow scarab]

Not for every other tank

Don't use devastator richard, not until every other issue is sorted

[orchid token]

Nothing you do with traits and talents is going to fix your issue richard

[sick sentinel]

Its good defensively because it lets u manage your resources better

[orchid token]

Your issues are down to buttons pressed in combat

[ionic fern]

Facts are that NO TRAITS will fix your threat/survival issues.
Threat and survival are legit tied to your own gameplay.

[orchid token]

And that's the part you need to fix

Honestly training dummies are underrated

[sick sentinel]

O_o

Bosses are dummies

Go to like grong or mekka

Stormwall even

[timid jay]

Using dummies to get comfortable with the rotation is 👌

[orchid token]

Sit on one for a while and just practise using thunderclap, shield slam, avatar and demo shout on CD

[timid jay]

Many hours spent on dummies on betas

[sick sentinel]

Ur play is diff for each boss, special things you do on each to have the best performance

[timid jay]

Well

[orchid token]

Incorrect sansnom

[willow scarab]

beta different since you're sourcing information on proc rates etc etc etc etc

[timid jay]

His issue isnt those special things

His issue is tied to core rotation

[ionic fern]

Your rotation and priorities for general purposes are still the same.

😒

[timid jay]

Which you can practice easily on dummies

[orchid token]

Your core rotation is always the same and when someone is messing up the core rotation a dummy is the place to fix it

[jagged narwhal]

but if part of my issue is that i Devastate too much then wouldn't Devastator for a short time, (On raids, not M+ because BV gives too much AoE threat) Force me to get used to running a rotation with less Devestate?

[willow scarab]

No because then you won't learn not to press it

[ionic fern]

^

[willow scarab]

You're gonna press the button even with the talent

[orchid token]

No, sitting on a dummy and practicing not using devastate so much is what will get you used to not using devastate so much

Your issue isn't using devastates

[timid jay]

He is true to some extent but yeah, I'd very much suggest trying to learn that devastate is real far back in the priority

[sick sentinel]

U use it when u have nothing else, its lowest priority by a long shot

[orchid token]

Your issue is using devastates when better abilities are available

The devastates are a symptom, not the cause

[weary summit]

Dafuq are they doin renerfin war ...
Unstoppable Force nerfed again, down to 30% bonus damage.

[orchid token]

The cause is that you're not using shield slam and thunderclap when they're available

[jagged narwhal]

I guess I'll have to rebind some abilities. Swap around my Devastate and Shield Slam keys or something

[willow scarab]

If that helps then do it

But you're re-learning the entire rotation so who cares where the butttons are

[sick sentinel]

have them visible

Key u see the GCD

and strike fast

[timid jay]

Are there still rotation helpers on wago.io?

[jagged narwhal]

and Probably get a weakaura to make it a lot more blatantly obvious when Avatar and Demo are Off CD. Because I really thought I was using them On CD

[timid jay]

I would assume so at least, could be a stopgap measure to help you out

[sick sentinel]

Rotation helpers are trash

[orchid token]

It's not a bad idea to revisit your UI and keybinds.

[willow scarab]

Get a little cluster WA for the important spells so you can see when you can use them

[timid jay]

Something to constantly remind him could be helpful

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

They would give the guy performance only slightly better than what he is at now

[jagged narwhal]

Yeah I use that on my DK

It helps me keep my Bone Shield Stack high. But I haven't found one I like for my Warrior

[sick sentinel]

You need to go and learn to play without those trash "helpers", all they do is help you be subpar

[timid jay]

🤔

[jagged narwhal]

Slowly working on fixing all my issues as a tank 😄

[timid jay]

For getting the prio down its hardly trash

For more controlled gameplay sure, it wont be good to follow

[jagged narwhal]

I was overcapping my IP by a whole fucking lot when they took it off the GCD

[timid jay]

But having it as a guideline and a reminder to keep using certain abilities they do their work

[jagged narwhal]

Ah shit. I just remembered This week is terrible Affixes for trying to change up my rotation, in case it gets worse before it gets better

[orchid token]

That's why you do it on a dummy

Seriously I'm not joking

[jagged narwhal]

Yeah, the worry is reverting to old rotation in a panic when my Necrotic Stack gets high / loads of mobs go Raging at once / Both happen at once

RIP my healers I guess 😄

[timid jay]

😅

[orchid token]

If you revert to old rotation it means you didn't sit on the dummy for long enough

WoW rotations are about muscle memory, not conscious thought

[jagged narwhal]

Yeah

[orchid token]

To unlearn bad habits and learn good ones you need to overwrite the muscle memory

[jagged narwhal]

but I'm going to be trying to overwrite an entire year of bad habits.

[timid jay]

hence why redoing your keybinds can be a good idea

Forces you to relearn

[jagged narwhal]

I'm not gunna have the attention span to spend THAT much time on the dummy.

[timid jay]

Adding some UI elements or something could also help

[orchid token]

You'll be surprised how quickly you can adjust to new setups

[jagged narwhal]

Oh btw, you were asking why I wait so long to Avatar on bosses? I just remembered why. The reason WILL make you facepalm

[timid jay]

Because its on GCD

[jagged narwhal]

No

[timid jay]

4head

[jagged narwhal]

Because I forget that Avatar gives me IP. So I IP almost instantly on pull to get my defensives up, then hold off on Avatar to not overcap IP

like a complete fucking moron

[timid jay]

xd

[jagged narwhal]

But I didn't know Avatar was castable Mid-Charge. So that's very interesting, and a game changer for me

if I can get used to utilizing that it will change how I look at my entire opener sequence.

[distant crystal]

hmm impassive visage vs intim pres

intim seems like it could be pretty huge

22.5K x 6 dmg reduced per cast

otoh a free 6kish heal every 6 second

[livid totem]

I'm probably dreaming, but is there a macro that cast SS + Devastate so I can spam that buton ? x)

[distant crystal]

ew

you don't wanna spam either of those

[sick sentinel]

@weary summit when did they nerf unstoppable force again to 30%?

[livid totem]

why not ?

[weary summit]

@sick sentinel
https://www.wowhead.com/news=292107/class-and-essence-spell-changes-8-2-ptr-build-30669

[livid totem]

Use SS when available if not, then devastate

[distant crystal]

well 1) you can't do that with a macro

2. devestate is pretty low on your list, it's basically a filler for when you have nothing else worth pressing

[sick sentinel]

As long as they don’t touch defensive. I don’t worry TOO much about dps

[orchid token]

Because devastate doesn't get used when SS isnt available

So making a macro to do just that is pointless

@livid totem

[livid totem]

You don't want to optimize your prot war in ST then ? 😦

[orchid token]

??

[timid jay]

????????

[weary summit]

For raid maybe but mm+, I'm not so sure

[orchid token]

Do you not know the warrior rotation or

[timid jay]

TC is better than devastate

in every way

[orchid token]

Devastate gets used after SS, TC, and revenge procs

[distant crystal]

optimizing your prot warr in ST != making a swifty macro to spam SS/devestate

[livid totem]

I feel like I'm missing something...

[distant crystal]

me too

[livid totem]

I'm obviously using TC, Revenge, whatever we have at our disposal first

[ionic fern]

Devastate is your last priority. Easy as that.

[livid totem]

How come you don't have a moment where you have absolutely nothing to press ?

[timid jay]

So why would you want a macro that casts SS and then devastate

🤔

[gilded iron]

he wants it to cast ss if ss is off cd and devastate if it is on

[ionic fern]

It does very little damage and gives you no rage.

[distant crystal]

SS is like your #1 priority for ST, would be kinda silly to macro it to your lowest priority, even if it worked

[timid jay]

Dont think you can do macros like that anymore

[livid totem]

Thank you baseless ^^

[timid jay]

any type of conditional stuff wont work

[ionic fern]

^

[distant crystal]

it works if they're off gcd

like trinkets n stuff

[livid totem]

It gives me no rage, but it does give a proc for SS and then rage

[ionic fern]

It has a CHANCE to give you a proc of SS.

[livid totem]

exactly

[timid jay]

Regardless, why not have a separate bind for devastate

[livid totem]

And I'm taking it.

[distant crystal]

but that's neither here nor there, just bind devestate to #5 and call it a day

[ionic fern]

The same goes for TC/Revenge..they both do more damage and have a chance to proc SS.

🤷

[livid totem]

Jez...

[jagged narwhal]

I don't see an issue in binding Devastate to SS. As long as you also have a separate SS button

[distant crystal]

well, a big issue is that it doesn't work

[jagged narwhal]

Well Duh

[distant crystal]

but even if it did, it'd just be kinda pointless, if SS is on CD there's a few other spells you wanna think about using before devestate

[ionic fern]

I see exactly 0 reasons to bind the two together.
One of them is your highest priority spell and the other one is just a filler that you rarely use.

[jagged narwhal]

but assuming it does work. It will ensure you SS instead of Devastate if you ever make a mistake in the rotation / get a proc just as you go to hit Deva

[orchid token]

Are you that hard up for keybinds that you can't spare one for devastate

[distant crystal]

like, a button that presses SS if it's up or t-clap if it's not would make a lot more sense, tho still wouldn't be good, even if it worked

[timid jay]

Regardless I dont think it can be made anymore anyways

so

[orchid token]

I have like ten unused keybinds on every single class I play

[timid jay]

kinda moot discussion

[orchid token]

After keybinding everything

[livid totem]

jez x)

[jagged narwhal]

I get the thought behind the Macro. It probably isn't worth it regardless, but I see the thought

[distant crystal]

i use the most keybinds on warrior of any toon xd

[livid totem]

I feel like you're taking me like a complete noob

Obviously I'm not taking devastate over SS

[jagged narwhal]

It's just intended as a Failsafe to make sure you never cast Lowest Pri when Highest Pri is Ready, and you failed to notice Highest Pri was reayd

[orchid token]

Wanting to make a macro to play the game is a pretty big noob move

So

[livid totem]

I just realized, I had a lot of downtime where I can use devastate

[orchid token]

If the shoe fits

[timid jay]

I mean

[ionic fern]

A lot of downtime?

[timid jay]

Get a bind for devastate then?

[distant crystal]

just press devestate then 4head

[livid totem]

alright I got it.

[jagged narwhal]

It isn't needed. But I see the point he's trying ot make

[orchid token]

Of course you have downtime to use devastate, so bind it to a key and press it during the downtime

[distant crystal]

anyhow, friendly reminder that berserker's juju doesn't invoke shared trinket cd

[timid jay]

alliance scum

😡

[ionic fern]

Heyyyy

Rude

[timid jay]

That sounds like something alliance scum would say

[distant crystal]

you're just jealous of my femdorf swag

[ionic fern]

I AM a proud alliance.

[timid jay]

@fierce juniper demote him

ok

[jagged narwhal]

Btw, I have a 410 Jes Howlis trinket Lying around that I don't use because I think Idol of Indiscriminate Consumption and Diamon Refracting Shard are better. Am I wrong in thinking that? If we're talking just Survival.

And especially for this week I guess. where Healing has a chance to be reduced

[distant crystal]

jes is pretty meh

[sweet kettle]

Jes is pretty poggers for memes

[ionic fern]

@timid jay no u

[timid jay]

no u

I'm valkyr

cant you see I'm blue

[sweet kettle]

@timid jay Nitro Boosted for different color?

[timid jay]

I got a deal I couldnt refuse

[ionic fern]

Only one powerful enough to demote me are the bots.

[timid jay]

$mute @ionic fern

[jagged narwhal]

Jes is pretty Meh. But if I have 5-6+ stacks of Necrotic then Indiscriminate Consumption is pretty useless

[ionic fern]

Rekt.

[timid jay]

Hymdal wont listen to me

[ionic fern]

5-6 stacks is nothing

[distant crystal]

let the healers heal

get dps trinkets >:D

[ionic fern]

You can still make use out of it even this week.

[jagged narwhal]

@distant crystal That's only fair I guess. I've been giving tanking trinkets to the DPS to use for PvP for a while now. Might as well start asking for their DPS trinkets in return

[ionic fern]

But jeah...in m+ you have a healer behind you anyways ..don't try to patch your "weaknesses" ..just play for your strengths.

[marble cipher]

I was at 30+ stacks last necrotic week before I noticed my weakaura wasn't showing stacks, but the "remaining time", so every time I glanced at the icon (wa), I thought "hey, I'm not that high yet" 😄

[distant crystal]

if you were alliance like me you could just press a button to remove all necrotic stacks every 2 minutes 😤

[jagged narwhal]

I am Alliance. But I'm NELF

[timid jay]

Shadowmeld drops combat

so

[jagged narwhal]

my DK and Pala are dwarf. So good

[distant crystal]

well you have a button that does that too but it's a little dicey for the melee :p

[timid jay]

Dropping combat should remove necrotic

also incidentally removes any melee players

[distant crystal]

it does, also removes your top dps

kek

[timid jay]

I'd see that as a win win

[jagged narwhal]

My Shadowmeld has a Macro tied to to it that says: "This is what you get when you piss off the tank."

[timid jay]

Perfect

[marble cipher]

🤣

[willow scarab]

Wholesome to see people do quirky things like that to enjoy the game

[livid totem]

wish I had it just to piss hunter's off and their misdirections

[willow scarab]

Being a sweaty trihard nerd sometimes you forget to have fun

[jagged narwhal]

I sometimes change it say things like "I told you not to ninja pull. This is your problem now bitch." Or directly targeting the macro to say "DIE! *insert name of guild member"

[willow scarab]

If you wanna flex

[jagged narwhal]

Never works on the hunter tho. Shame.

[willow scarab]

/e sentences you to death <name> or %t if you want to change it on the fly to call out your target

It'll come up as an emote

[timid jay]

Fumeiyo sentences you to death <no target>

[ionic fern]

Who even reads chat during combat?

😂

[jagged narwhal]

They sure as fuck read it after they get obliterated

[timid jay]

Go for this one instead

/run SendChatMessage("Git rekt k1ddo","WHISPER",nil,GetUnitName("target",1))

[jagged narwhal]

Tbf is there even any point playing this game if you don't wipe at least once a week due to laughing too hard to play?

[distant crystal]

there's a guy in my guild that has a keybind that says "monkaS"

it's not tied to any spell, just a dedicated monkaS keybind

[jagged narwhal]

Like when we did Mekka HC and one of the people in the bot does, and I quote, this call out:

"Green you're green, red, blue, i mean blue is red and green is yellow red red red I MEANT BLUE GREEN IS BLUE"

[distant crystal]

he uses it often

[jagged narwhal]

And everyone presses the wrong button

[timid jay]

During aggramar prog we all got macros for a common ability to whisper the same guy

He got pissed pretty fast

Especially when people forgot they still had it and started spam whispering him during m+ and stuff

[jagged narwhal]

I got banned for chat spamming in Vanilla

'cause I was 14 years old and thought I was cool, so I had a macro tied to my "Evasion" on my rogue that was "Stop trying to hit me and hit me!" but I didn't fully understand how Macros work, so it wasn't tied to /s

[timid jay]

yikes

[jagged narwhal]

WHich meant in BG's when I was SPAMMING Evasion to insta cast it when a stun ended I would spam the fuck out of BG chat

People did not like me

[willow scarab]

I remember in 2008 when dks came out I had a death grip macro that said /y * scorpion-sama voice * GEET OVERRR HERRRR %t-san OwO

[timid jay]

kys

lul

[jagged narwhal]

My opener for tanking in WOTLK was Heroic Throw -> Charge. So I had a special Charge button I only used when charging at the start of a fight that was /y "Oh shit I dropped my weapon!"

[willow scarab]

I made my friend play wow and he got to level 40

he made me make him a macro that said "I'm pulling................................ a cone!!!!!!" when he pressed charge

[jagged narwhal]

These "RP" macros are always so cringe. 'cause they're only funny the first 5 times you use it

Then it just gets old

like my "You Activated My Trap Card!" spell reflect macro. also from WOTLK.

But then you use the Macro for like a year

[zinc garnet]

back in MOP when we had Skull Banner I had a macro saying "HULK BANNER!" when placing it and then a "Bruce Banner :(" when it faded

[willow scarab]

Wow

That's like Eating Nam Nam :3

Nam Nam done >:3

but 7 years earlier

[tulip panther]

i had macroed Avatar and Reck with use13 and yelling "time to fuck sh*t up!"

that banner made me giggle tho

[mortal brook]

I had a weak aura that yelled Ursoc quotes when i got a killing blow in wpvp....i literally got banned for a day for spam. rip legion bear wpvp

[strong forum]

Oh god the nam nam thing is beyond cringe, even the very 1st time

[tulip panther]

it was the weeb-emote at the end that ruined it for me

[orchid token]

@willow scarab is the entire of crimson still doing that

The nam nams

[sick sentinel]

Guys, is the new update on prot warriors going to fuck our damage

since it was a 50% nerf then another 30%

[willow scarab]

I love seeing nam nam

I don't use it because everytime I entered a bg it said "nam nam done >:3"

[timid jay]

fucking hate that shit

I banned that so hard in my guild

[sick sentinel]

read the pin already nvm

[sweet kettle]

i start to troll when i see that nam nam shit

[livid totem]

what's a nam nam ? oO

[timid jay]

horrible horrible WA

[livid totem]

what exactly do it does ?

[ionic fern]

It tells people "nam nam" when you use food.

[sweet kettle]

still dont get why people use it

it makes no sense

[mortal brook]

eating nam nam. done nam nam. like shit man im gettin flashbacks D: fuckin 'nam

[livid totem]

Oh.

Well most likely because of addons perhaps ?

[sweet kettle]

what?

[timid jay]

its a WA

its horriblew

[lime mantle]

It’s

A) to be le cute and quirky >.< because your personality is like eating chalk

And/or

[sweet kettle]

no that thing was made for fking RP

[lime mantle]

B) warn the gaggle of mongrels you are getting a food buffs// tell your subhuman guide (tank) you are eating

[sweet kettle]

legit nobody cares if you ate

[lime mantle]

That’s point A yes

[sweet kettle]

in m+ any proper tank watches the healers mana

[lime mantle]

In any good group you should be on voip anyways and call you are eating.
So it’s mostly A rather than B

[ionic fern]

You as a tank need to check mana regardless. You dictate the pulls/sizes etc.

[mortal brook]

'healer whispered me. said he was bored. kept pulling'

[vagrant shoal]

more nerfs monkaS

[mortal brook]

📌

[sick sentinel]

So I did a freehold

With syringe and block

(I got a 385+s syringe last week from the syringe run)

45% crit lmao

[supple dew]

any warriors here that do alot of highish keys?

[sick sentinel]

Maybe

[supple dew]

had a question about traits/overall dmg

if u can help rq

[quiet crane]

What’s the question

[sick sentinel]

Just ask the question

[supple dew]

just started juicing my warrior rn having 2 415 azerite 1 400 with 1 bashtion and my overall ranges from like 20-24k, can i expect a huge overall increase when i do actually get my third bashtion

410 ilvl rn dont know if im playing bad or that 3rd bashtion

just makes that hgue of an increase

[distant crystal]

another bastion will help a bit but your dps is tied a lot to how you pull

[paper holly]

Warrior (Forums, Talent Calculator, PvP Talent Calculator, Artifact Calculator)
Protection
Unstoppable Force Avatar increases the damage of Thunder Clap by 30% down from 50%, and reduces its cooldown by 50%. Protection Warrior - Level 45 Talent. Protection Warrior - Level 45 Talent.

WHAT ?!

AGAIN ???

[sick sentinel]

Going from 2x415 and 1x400 with only 1 BoM to 3x415 with 3xBoM you should see a significant increase in overall damage @supple dew

[supple dew]

https://i.imgur.com/J0djiPI.png

runnign thsi rn

its not great :[

[sick sentinel]

@supple dew It's not

You have the wrong trait on your helmet

[paper holly]

How much more do they have to bloody nerf the damage

[sick sentinel]

@paper holly calm your tits, I'll get to you

Warriors still have the best melee mitigation

and it's only within avatar

It's not as big as everyone is saying it is

[supple dew]

which engi helm trait would u recomend? i just simmed for highest dmg

[sick sentinel]

you use gismo

the haste/str proc

We'll still be one of the highest damaging specs

also

do not use more than 1 DC

[paper holly]

It wasnt as big while it was a 50% damage reduction. But an additional 20% is just overkill

[sick sentinel]

your traits are all kinds of wrong

[paper holly]

We already lack utility

[supple dew]

ud take a bloodsport over a 2nd dc?

[sick sentinel]

is there bloodsport on both pieces?

They are doing that because we are going to have like 90% uptime on avatar lmao. They have to scale it

[supple dew]

uhhh i think the chest is shield slam trait

[sick sentinel]

otherwise it would be fucked

then take that

We'll still have the best mitigation

melee*

the best dps

[ionic fern]

I would take all offensive traits due to our mitigation being solid with proper play.

[supple dew]

ah okay thanks i looked at gizmo but i just simmed for higher aoe

[paper holly]

i'll have to test that crap out in terms of dps. That is if prot pallies dont pull ahead

[sick sentinel]

@ionic fern YOU would

it doesn't mean that EVERYBODY should

[ionic fern]

I did say PROPER PLAY.

[supple dew]

i see warriors doing like 32k overall with 3 bashtions and i didnt know if it was bad play or going from 1 to 3 bashtions gives u like 5k-6k overall

[sick sentinel]

having 3 BoM will definitely increase your damage by a lot

and still, BfI is still a sizeable damage increase, not in reaping but in ST

I would take a second DC over bloodsport

but I wouldn't take it over anything else

[supple dew]

yeah its a 400 piece and i started playing warrior like a week ago so i didnt rly bother with the 400 pieces

[sick sentinel]

and the gear/shield/ilvl in general that you have and the healers you are playing with is completely different from a guy that started playing warrior a week ago

the nerfs can't fucking come soon enough

so the damage from the DC stops mattering as much

[ionic fern]

I would take a 4th DC if i could to make Kaege angrier.

😂

[sick sentinel]

I just get angry because it's insane how somebody be that dense

[supple dew]

have u messed around with engi helm at all kaege?

[sick sentinel]

I have been playing with eng helm for both prot and fury since I was able to make it

[dense cradle]

you go into pugs expecting your healer to suck

[ionic fern]

Idk what's "dense" about it.
Some people enjoy going for a more offensive style while others don't.

🤷

[supple dew]

yeah i noticed barrage only had a 1m~ dmg increase overall but i just looked at sims

[sick sentinel]

I just switch sometimes to jadefire helm since like 2 weeks ago because it has BoM/TC and it's good for DPS

it's not enjoying a different playstyle

it's about somebody that does more mistakes than you do

and plays with worse players that you do

[ionic fern]

Yes, and if you noticed what i type i usually end my sentences with "PROPER PLAY".

[sick sentinel]

well yes

[quiet crane]

I like making dps cry when I beat them overall and see all the excuses they make as why they lost

[sick sentinel]

they don't know that they are bad

[dense cradle]

beating outlaw in pulls

xd

gl with that

[sick sentinel]

they just look at the top players and think they can do it as well

[ionic fern]

Even if they are bad having a BS or IF over a 2nd DC won't save them

So it doesn't matter.

[sick sentinel]

it helps

it helps with bad healers

[quiet crane]

Well honestly

I don’t think it does

[dense cradle]

my friend plays super aggro but he avoids pugs on necrotic weeks

lmao

[quiet crane]

The difference is so small and minuscule

It’s barely if at all noticeable

[sick sentinel]

if that's your arguement

the 4 mil damage that the second DC will do

will not make the difference to the 3mil the IF will do

or however much IF does

[quiet crane]

It does depending on content

[ionic fern]

People can choose w/e traits they want - it won't make or break anything.
As always - playing the class correctly and knowing your limits/your groups limits is what gets you through

Not stacking triple DC or only 1 DC.

[supple dew]

kaege does gizmo have a good proc rate?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[distant crystal]

Bigger claps more last hits more victory rushes

[sick sentinel]

if you combine both procs you get around 20% uptime

[dense cradle]

i saw a triple bom double doc guy only do 25k once

on teeming fh

[bronze lantern]

he just didnt press clap button

[sick sentinel]

also, if that's the case

then proper play will result in more damage

than min maxing azerite traits

[quiet crane]

No it’s totally different

You try pulling the same dmg you do with play currently

Without bom at all compared to 3x

In terms of raw dmg it makes a difference

A huge one

[bronze lantern]

wait is anyone arguing against triple bom?

KAEGE?

[sick sentinel]

getting one more avatar off by using AM properly or having to not kite is a lot of damage that people miss

[quiet crane]

That’s a min max on dmg right there BFa defensive were so badly hit compared to prior expacs that it’s close to shot exceptions being made for DC etc in certain cases

[sick sentinel]

"min-maxing azerite" and "without bom at all compared to x3" is a big difference

[quiet crane]

As they did want tanks to maximise proper play

But min maxing for dps will always be a thing and still is

[sick sentinel]

using a BFI over a second DC is not that big of a dps loss

[ionic fern]

🤔

[quiet crane]

But you said azerite in general

As min maxing

[bronze lantern]

1x bfi + 1x dc is probably better than 2x DC for tyr weeks ngl

[sick sentinel]

if you talk overall, yes because of reaping

[quiet crane]

You didn’t disclaim TC and IF

[sick sentinel]

but reaping damage doesn't matter

[ionic fern]

Depends on your group.

[bronze lantern]

depends on comp, but generally it doesnt no

[quiet crane]

And even then

[sick sentinel]

killing reaping 2 second faster will not time your key

[quiet crane]

as mwahi said you can get greater benefit then usual out of it due to good play

[ionic fern]

Fact is that Reaping is part of the dungeon right now - the faster you kill it the better.

[bronze lantern]

because that actually loses other people dps kage :)

[quiet crane]

Yes it does

Yes it does

2 seconds matters

On the difficult content

[sick sentinel]

I'd rather have 2 seconds off the boss

[quiet crane]

That’s like saying a death don’t matter

[sick sentinel]

than off the reaping

[ionic fern]

You pull reaping with other packs anyways.

[bronze lantern]

idk man i just timed FH24

with one DC

cause defensives are actually relevant on bosses this week.

[stiff oracle]

24 FH is a big key

[bronze lantern]

barely top100

[sick sentinel]

you do realize

[supple dew]

24 fh eudora and 1st boss tyranical sounds fun

[bronze lantern]

it was sojin

[sick sentinel]

the advice you give to somebody that wants to do his +15s for the achievement

[stiff oracle]

Do you know how to use that LoS strat on first boss @bronze lantern

[bronze lantern]

which boss you mean, first or second ?

[stiff oracle]

first

[sick sentinel]

and the advice you give for somebody that is trying to 20s

[bronze lantern]

its trash

[sick sentinel]

is completely different

[bronze lantern]

theres a reason no one does it on actual keys rainon

[stiff oracle]

they do

lol

[bronze lantern]

who ?

rads group doesnt do it

limits group doesnt afaik

[stiff oracle]

saphnenko

[bronze lantern]

safenko 4head

muskelbrudder

[supple dew]

the first boss on fh is monkas with the reset nerf

[bronze lantern]

you can check vods of fems group doing 25 and shit

they dont do it

cause its trash

even with triple melee they didnt

[ionic fern]

I mean legit no one is arguing that NOT stacking DC is bad.
You can do anything with 1 DC and using w/e traits you want.
Traits DON'T MAKE OR BREAK YOUR DUNGEONS. Your own play does. Idk why this argument is a thing. :')
You can advice people to run 3 DC's. And you can advice them not to run it.
Just give them both sides of the coin and see w/e fits them best.

[distant crystal]

How TF does dps live 26 tyr

[stiff oracle]

witht he los strat

lol

[bronze lantern]

id run more DCs on lower keys

(that means <=19)

cause youll live anything in there anyway

[ionic fern]

I'm still running double/triple DC's in 22+'s.

[bronze lantern]

except for maybe KR

gl doing that this week

on some bosses

[ionic fern]

I've been doing it on every week

On all the dungeons.

🤷

No issues so far.

[stiff oracle]

im mid jaina pull atm or Id talk about it

give me a sec

[sick sentinel]

this arguement is a thing becuase I told a guy that started playing a week ago that he should go a bit more defensive

[bronze lantern]

i mean yes, your aim should always be do as much damage as you can, without dying

[sick sentinel]

if you have to ask if you should use more than 1 dc you shouldn't

[bronze lantern]

if the without dying part includes your healer not being able to dps at all anymore, youre doing it wrong

[sick sentinel]

when you can use more than 1 DC, then you KNOW you can do it

you don't have to ask about it

[ionic fern]

Why would a healer not be able to DPS if i stack DC's? 🤔

[bronze lantern]

cause you need more healing ?

????

[ionic fern]

Mine's still DPSin'g and going ham.

You do realize the difference isn't that big right?

[bronze lantern]

extra block is fairly relevant actually

[inland bolt]

rads does do it

LOL

gotta lvoe it

[ionic fern]

🤷

[stiff oracle]

@drowsy relic come in here and finish this poser warrior

[inland bolt]

he literally did it multiple times on stream

please dont spread misinformation

this is for discussion not for posting false info

[stiff oracle]

We about to have a Nimchip 2.0 in a minute

[autumn pendant]

Rads does what?

[ionic fern]

My healer still DPS'es without issues so far so we're fine.

I think he ment that Rads LoS'es the first boss in FH?

DPS'ers kinda have to LoS it on VERY HIGH tyrannical weeks or you'd run out of defensives sooner or later considering that all the melees have to pop something for every time he shoots.

[sick sentinel]

rogues can feint

my DH uses prism from opulence

[ionic fern]

Jeah, again - comes down to the group setup.

[stiff oracle]

your group setup aint saving you from a 26 FH lmfao

[sick sentinel]

and I have seen people having the melees beside them so they can safeguard them without moving

I think

but that requires way too fast reactions

[ionic fern]

Jeah, that's a bit yikes. Unless you macro it to one specific person.

It's like a what..1s cast for him?

[sick sentinel]

0,7s

[ionic fern]

Even worse.

[sick sentinel]

and also

[ionic fern]

😂

[sick sentinel]

I think he targets them

[ionic fern]

Jeah, he does.

[sick sentinel]

so intercept target of target should work

[spice ferry]

I heard someone say that the other day

[sick sentinel]

same macro I use to intercept eudora

[spice ferry]

You just spam the macro

[sick sentinel]

yes

it was

[spice ferry]

praise him

[inland bolt]

or everyone can stand still and stack onthe first boss of fh and avoid all this discussion

[stiff oracle]

^

[inland bolt]

this is literally a player tanking the boss wrong

and people encouraging it lol

[stiff oracle]

just dont get shot and your dps can take all the dps trinkets you want

instead of running prism

[spice ferry]

What? How’s that work? Literally never heard of that

[sick sentinel]

I'm not shooting your tactic down

I haven't seen it work after they started making him reset easier

but I haven't been really looking at streams

mind linking me a vod where they do it?

[spice ferry]

How does stacking stop you getting hit? Genuinely confused here

Though I’m a 15ish pleb who doesn’t really watch streamers 🤷

[stiff oracle]

let me find you a vod from last tyran* week

[primal crypt]

What are you plebs arguing about now?

lmao

[ionic fern]

Everything.

[primal crypt]

/wave @ionic fern ❤

[ionic fern]

I'm not sure tho. One point we were doing our daily arguing about stacking DC/Not stacking it and now we're on FH first boss discussion.

[primal crypt]

I read some garbage up top and stopped scrolling back any further about DC stacking

[final mist]

Sometimes I worry about you lot. I really do.

[ionic fern]

Papa Sal.

[primal crypt]

Oh Sal! ❤

[final mist]

👋

[primal crypt]

You still looking for guild? 😄

[timid jay]

They are just worried about more nurfs sal

[ionic fern]

Never worried about nerfs. Go back to doom and gloom glory days.

[final mist]

I am indeed in the guild market, but uuuhhhh

[primal crypt]

But you are now uh...lock main I think

[final mist]

Hard when you’re swapping classes and you never finished the last tier 😬

[primal crypt]

or hoping to be

xD

[final mist]

I refuse to play my warrior tbh, tanking is dead to me unless it changes drastically

[primal crypt]

They should bring back blood dks

[final mist]

[timid jay]

Bring back tanking in all 3 DK specs

tbh

[crude summit]

is tanking just boring to you?

[timid jay]

Frost dual wield tanking was big pog

[primal crypt]

Monks are looking promising

dmg wise

Although I refuse to stagger

[final mist]

Is actually kill for aff to be a channel spec again, I found that fun

That’s partially it Pickett, some other things on top

[primal crypt]

Demo tank wouldn't be bad

imo

[final mist]

Jaina really soured me on it, and I never killed her due to circumstances

[crude summit]

i got ya

[timid jay]

BfA killed tanking for me too

FeelsBadMan

[primal crypt]

Im right there with you Sal

guild lost 6 people in a week on Jaina 😦

[crude summit]

honestly its been years sense i tanked idk im just nervous to jump back into tanking

[primal crypt]

it's not bad pickett

honestly

you have a plethora of knowledge here as well to lean on

from mid to high range of players

[spice ferry]

I think we’re up to about 10/14 players having left since killing seven

Sw*

[primal crypt]

tons of FOTM tanks that know how to play different class/specs as well - tank perspective of course

[crude summit]

another thing is if i want to dps right now warrior is kinda meh in terms of m+ i guess if your in a guild that wont matter much

[primal crypt]

truth

[dense cradle]

tons of fotm tanks

[primal crypt]

no one wants a warrior

[dense cradle]

and outlaw rogues

this tier

[lime mantle]

@crude summit Warrior is great as m+ dps.
You just have to be prot.

[primal crypt]

dps* warr

I came in and pulled 33k overall as dps

still got flamed

[ionic fern]

Feels bad

[primal crypt]

said I wasn't as useful as a rogue

just glass cannon

extra heal sponge they said lmao

[winter aspen]

Thats bs fury doesnt take that much dmg with good tank

[dense cradle]

so many bad rogues this tier

[primal crypt]

I was arms lul

[dense cradle]

its kinda funny

[winter aspen]

Ah arms lol

[primal crypt]

/wink

[sick sentinel]

lmao

[crude summit]

is arm even good in just a random bg setting

[primal crypt]

great in bgs of course

[winter aspen]

Not really

Id rather be fury

[primal crypt]

but if you mean bad group settings

arms is meh

need the juicy bladestorm set up

ez 100k+ each time

[winter aspen]

With skittish warbreaker is instant aoe pull

[dense cradle]

you'll prob lose in pug to the grey parsing outlaw

that doesnt know when to reroll buffs

unluck

[primal crypt]

Morth you're not wrong

I have triple lord of war traits as well

[crude summit]

i guess it really dpends on the new affix for season 3 if outlaw will still reign supreme

[primal crypt]

warbreaker = death

[winter aspen]

Yeah I tried arms, it isnt bad on the dps but lacks fury defensives and fluid gameplay

[dense cradle]

theres a trait that procs when you dont crit

and blade flurry never crits so...

[winter aspen]

Outlaw is just reap bot

If new affix is ST you can kiss them goodbye

[dense cradle]

does fine on st

[primal crypt]

only fine though

[dense cradle]

yeah

[primal crypt]

roll the bones is a nty

[winter aspen]

Assasin blows it out the water on st

[primal crypt]

if ST based, sin is just better

[dense cradle]

bones are not as rng as people think but

not gonna have this convo in a warrior channel

xd

[primal crypt]

thunderclap blah blah blah

I'm going back to leveling my sp

xD

[dense cradle]

blow out of water isnt really as true unless talking a spec like ele

ele dmg is real pepega

[crude summit]

does anyone know the new of the new trait that will proc bladestorm for arms ?

[jagged narwhal]

14k dps EASY on my 385 ele while also getting used to the rotation

and literally 0 itemization or good trinkets

[exotic spoke]

Picket do you mean essence?

If so, it’s probably vision of perfection

[smoky iris]

Overwhelming power or strength in numbers for m+?

[sick sentinel]

OP

[hidden crown]

I have a buddy who is gearing up a warrior for tanking, and he is asking about secondary stats. Are the stat priorities still haste>mastery>vers? Don’t want to steer him wrong. Also, it’s how I’ve been gearing my warrior and having great success.

[sick sentinel]

haste/vers/mast/crit for raids
haste/crit/vers/mast for mplus

[hidden crown]

Hmm, how much better damage reduction does vers provide over the increase block/crit block from mastery?

[sick sentinel]

there is a spreadsheet

[hidden crown]

Ugh... I wish there was a Raidbots for tanks and healers. shakes first. Damn dps classes have it so easy when it comes to gearing up.

[sick sentinel]

exel thingy

it's in #268491842637660160

[hidden crown]

I’ll take a look at it.

And thanks!

[steel mauve]

I mean we have it extremely easy to gear up...

[trail dome]

Maybe a bit of a dumb question, but I only recently started again after a loooong long break. What should the prot opener be in m+, when there are multiple mobs present? I’m going Avatar>Int>TC+ SB >Demo>TC.

Then into TC>freeRevenge>SS prio usually.

[red wedge]

That's pretty much it.. For M+, try to plan CDs for the bigger pulls.. and just use Avatar on CD, and TC the shit out of everything. ;p

[trail dome]

Sure.

[steel mauve]

Charge > avatar during charge

[trail dome]

Using avatar before charging feels weird. I played a healer for most of 8.0 then quit. Haven’t tanked since Legion.

[steel mauve]

Charge doesnt do the gcd and can ava during kt

It*

[trail dome]

Ah awesome.

[sick sentinel]

I still avatar->charge sometimes

[trail dome]

Also another maybe dumb question. Is IP reduced post all mitigation?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[trail dome]

Excellent. Cheers.

[chilly brook]

@hidden crown I mean prot warrior is literally ilvl>anything else so I can’t understand how DPS has it “easy” on the gearing process

[hidden crown]

Griff, I was trying to stick to the secondary’s because he’s going to be raid tanking once he gets geared up. I was complaining because I use spreadsheets at work all the time, and just sick of looking at them. Just me wishing there was a Raidbots equivalent for tanks and healers.

[final mist]

Even for raids, secondary stats matter much less than you think, because of how close they are. The priority is really only a priority for equivalent-ilevel gear.

[sand egret]

Did Skyhold get all fancy recently or is it me?

[sick sentinel]

it did

[sand egret]

eyyy

[half palm]

got them nitro boostssss

[lusty grotto]

uhh whats going on with the top left

🤔

def got fancier blade

[warm plinth]

It's part of the boost perks

Same with the animated server icon

[strong forum]

10€ discord nitro users can boost a server of choice

[lusty grotto]

Ohh

[marsh kindle]

hey guys

a little help for me how can i solo tanking first boss in BOD ?? So how can i reset my stacks ??

[sick sentinel]

heroic or mythic?

it's a lot easier on mythic

[lime mantle]

In mythic you mongo dps the boss and deflect after the prayer/wave don’t you?

[sick sentinel]

yes

on mythic you just spell reflect after prayer

on HC you have to kite a bit

[winter aspen]

30%

[marsh kindle]

on mythic

so after prayer use spell refleckt?

[sick sentinel]

After prayer just jump away

And spell reflect

You don't actually have to move the boss

But it helps sometimes

[willow scarab]

Please don't talk about our fallen brethren so soon, we need grieving time for TC

[sick sentinel]

You can just spell reflect but I have missed it sometimes myself

Or better yet, use spell reflect when prayer is ending and you have less than 5sec on the duration of the debuff

And you will 100% drop it

[willow scarab]

If its not working have the dh taunt blur darkness or warrior taunt DBTS or bear or etc etc etc etc'

[marsh kindle]

i can do that

thx for the fast answeer

[unborn island]

It's not 100% reliable I have found but it works most of the time

[oblique garnet]

after prayer of the fallen you backpedal a bit the boss will cast wave of light after that you spell reflect and your stacks will drop

[lusty grotto]

he said solo tanking though

eh it doesn't matter, never mind hehe

i think kaege is right that he needed to specify, and also solo tanking might require great dps or else you're gonna get deleted by Zealotry

[chilly brook]

That moment when you cheese the boss because of power creep

[inland bolt]

cant wait to see all you boys in the prot pally discord next season :/

[chilly brook]

Wdym lmao

[undone sun]

🤣

[chilly brook]

Seraphim ain’t that good to pull me away from warrior

[trail dome]

Wait are they buffing Sera?

WoD Prot Pal was some of the most fun i’ve ever had playing WoW.

And not just HFC.

[chilly brook]

Not that I know of, but next season supposedly is more single target focused

WoD BrM was 👌🏻

Fat absorbs

[modern brook]

imagine thinking rerollers actually stay in #protection

all they do is show up

get chewed out for asking shitty questions

[chilly brook]

Truuuueeeee

[modern brook]

then talk shit about #protection in other discords

[trail dome]

Are you a fotm reroller if you maintain multiple tanks?

[modern brook]

Only if you open your posts with

[chilly brook]

Probably

[modern brook]

hey guys new tank here, whats my stat priority

[trail dome]

Tbf i’m a filthy casual atm but when i actually raided i kept 5 tanks going.

Now I have a life. ):

[modern brook]

🤷 do you man

[chilly brook]

Otherwise what’s the point of maintaining multiple tanks if it’s not ultimately to play whatever is the “meta”

[trail dome]

And early bfa was not kind to that.

[modern brook]

Just dont complain when ppl are like "maybe read the guide and accept it as bible before you come here with your shit opinions"

[trail dome]

Yeah. Weird one. I just like tanking. Class is kinda second to that.

[chilly brook]

I maintained all tanks at the end of legion and ngl I just sat my BrM for blood DK in m+ cuz it was too good not to

BFA? Nah just be a prot boi

[trail dome]

Brm was legit for nh tho.

[chilly brook]

BrM was legit practically the whole xpac

[trail dome]

Tbf lul guardian.

Truth.

[chilly brook]

Underrated af until guardian got the nerf bat

[modern brook]

remember when BRM was engagin

😬

[trail dome]

....mop?

[chilly brook]

Yea when blackout combo wasn’t a shit talent

🙃

And your brew management actually mattered

But now?

What’s purifying?

In fact what’s ironskin?

[trail dome]

I haven’t played brm in bfa. I take it I don’t want to.

[modern brook]

that doesnt sound like elusive brawler, my one and only damage mitigation ability

[trail dome]

Lol.

Returning player btw haHAA.

[chilly brook]

@trail dome let me put it this way, you could just not even use your brews on fetid and be only a little worse than a BrM that used their active mitigation

[trail dome]

Favourite tank is bdk but they’re apparently shit now.

Yikes.

[chilly brook]

Meh play blood if you want

[trail dome]

I will. But I wanna get back into srs m+

[chilly brook]

They’re fine, people just like to qq that they’re not the m+ gods that they used to be

[trail dome]

And to do that i need a metaslave class to make new connections.

My entire team from legion isnt playing anymore.

[chilly brook]

Granted I can’t blame them it’s a helluva drug being able to be completely OP

[trail dome]

Yeah.

I like being able to solocarry m+ with dps.

Is nice.

[chilly brook]

I wasn’t a huge fan of blood in raids but in legion m+ boy was it fun

[trail dome]

(Tbf i’m doing shit keys while i gear up new char, so get to pull enormous)

Lol. Just ignore tank mechanics.

[chilly brook]

“Hey tk don’t bother healing for the next 10 seconds just pop wings and do damage” pops consumption
“Have fun bois”

[trail dome]

After.... wtf was it called. Soulgorger? The +25% hp buff thing came out you could do so much.

I got r1 healing parse on alluriel by just never not taking annihilate.

1.1m hps btw. 4head.

God consumption. RIP.

Anyway. This is skyhold.

I traded in my drw blood boils for avatar Tclaps.

[modern brook]

@trail dome honestly get ahead of the curve

play Pally

[lusty grotto]

yet another reroll

[modern brook]

if ur trying to meta slave

i will put money on them being the new warriors in 8.2

[trail dome]

I have both.

Also gearing my dk cause I love it so much.

[modern brook]

ur fucking weird

I tried playing dk

[lusty grotto]

gross

[modern brook]

and i pressed heroic leap

and i didnt heroic leap

and i havent played him since

[trail dome]

Hey man. I was on 30% hp as warrior and pressed victory rush and it didn’t even top me.

[chilly brook]

I was out healing all the healers on fel hounds on my DK

[lusty grotto]

👉 🚪

[trail dome]

As opposed to DK where it doesn’t matter what I pressed cause I’m dead. PLS BUFF DK

xd

[modern brook]

OOOOOOOOOOOF

big oofers