like sure you can get high amount of hps without mercy
#protection
wicked ridge
wicked ridge
point is he's not playing for the raid, he's playing for a number, and this is in a 4heal
gaunt dawn
Doesnt mean we cheesed
oblique garnet
Glimmer overheals alot regardless tbf
gaunt dawn
Overhealing isnt a metric
lusty grotto
Does parse percent take into consideration over heal?
gaunt dawn
Nope
oblique garnet
No
gaunt dawn
Only effective
gaunt dawn
Most healers will have around 40 to 50 percent overheal
exotic spoke
That’s not underhealing though. That’s misrepresenting what I’m saying.
Also, overheating is a metric you should watch - but it’s not considered for parsing. I assume you mean that
exotic spoke
In general - if you’re using 3 or fewer healers you’re doing it for a specific reason to either push a phase or if it’s on farm possible get good parses
lusty grotto
Of course
exotic spoke
You’re fabricating / cheesing for parses
gaunt dawn
Nope
exotic spoke
Lol ok
gaunt dawn
You wouldnt compare a 1 heal to a 3 heal log
But you would also know its definitely doable
And you can play better
You wouldnt use mercy in that scenario as a hpal
exotic spoke
But logs don’t make that distinction.
For clarity - I’m not saying that is a problem - I’m just calling a spade a spade. Fucking do it - get those big numbers
gaunt dawn
If you click in the top right
You can specify the amount of healers
The healer setup
exotic spoke
It’s obvious that you’re dead set in your opinion so it’s pointless to respond.
Again, I stand by my original statement though. At this point in a tier - people with the best parses tend to fabricate their logs to improve their parses in one of a couple ways.
Either taking sub optimal talents / traits / gear that are treated and tracked differently (mercy vs devo for example)
Removing healers to make the fight shorter. Ignoring even the fact that you’re covering for another healer the shorter the fight the better everyone’s numbers look
Odd comps to make things work - ie in legion on antorus hounds I did 1.4M HpS as prot (beating all the healers) because I solo tanked most of the fight
lusty grotto
lmao
exotic spoke
Lol
There’s nothing wrong with it - but it’s done.
Kaege would you say a prot warrior getting 1.4m hps on a fight was normal in legion?
lusty grotto
id say they also have a point though, its still a generalization
oblique garnet
Kage didnt play prot in legion
sick sentinel
I played ench in legion
lusty grotto
progression guilds still exist at this point in time
exotic spoke
RIP! Late or someone else lol
exotic spoke
True but progression parses tend to be worse than on farm
oblique garnet
Sorry riki quit on nh
exotic spoke
NH was trash imo
lusty grotto
logs have their uses for guild management and min maxing setups though
exotic spoke
For us at least. Also damnit
oblique garnet
I didnt enjoy legion at all tbh
exotic spoke
Logs have a lot of uses parses don’t have a lot
sick sentinel
I didn't like legion mplus lmao
gaunt dawn
It's more that if you look at a log number and nothing else. You're not doing it well.
Likewise playing for said log number rather than what's best for the raid is also not well
exotic spoke
Panthea I’ll agree with that
gaunt dawn
Rather than the devolution of the discussion with setups and the like
exotic spoke
But people do it, we’ve done it when bored on farm content
sick sentinel
Going for logs makes farm interesting
gaunt dawn
If people think, this healer is good and looks at the parse to validate that. They should maybe understand how they work before thinking that
empty inlet
pullings mobs to cleave on aggramar :whelechair:
lusty grotto
of course
undone sun
1m hps was pretty common
dense flame
I mean, parses are what you can use to gauge your performance. At a certain point in the tier it becomes cheese fest.
undone sun
exotic spoke
Yeah thyme, but 1.4m?
undone sun
I had close to
gaunt dawn
You can always use it to gauge your performance irrespective of the point in the tier
undone sun
Those are my personal
neon tangle
@exotic spoke I think that the line between “cheesing” a fight and doing it as efficiently as possible is kinda vague
dense flame
Nah
sick sentinel
I agree with box
strong forum
Thing is, if you're doing good without cheesing it you'll still get orange logs in most cases
dense flame
I think not all fights can be cheesed
winter aspen
b o o s t
neon tangle
Less healers means more dps, which means more time under pots/lust, etc
strong forum
Cheese is only within 99-100 range
undone sun
🤦
strong forum
Kek
lusty grotto
yeah but we were also talking about healing parses, not tank parses
strong forum
Ah well healing is different
lusty grotto
i suppose there's a big difference between the two
sick sentinel
You can still get 99s without cheesing
gaunt dawn
^
lusty grotto
of course
strong forum
True
lusty grotto
finding those logs at this point in time though
like a needle in a haystack probably
gaunt dawn
I got a few pre-blueprint public log 100s during legion just via normal play
sick sentinel
Going for orange is different than going for allstars
dense flame
Boost is 
strong forum
Boost is taking so much damage its not even funny
I have compared his dmg taken to my damage taken just to take a glimpse
He takes 7k - 10k dtps higher than me
On average
lusty grotto
i mean he cares about parsing, that should be known :p
gaunt dawn
Similar tanking uptimes?
sick sentinel
It's so his healers can parse
strong forum
No his is way lower
gaunt dawn
What boss?
strong forum
All
lusty grotto
koreans like the parsing game
gaunt dawn
The uptime area is important
dense flame
Just don’t use shield block
gaunt dawn
For ex. If your uptime on mekka is lower then its weird
neon tangle
Who doesn’t like to parse?
gaunt dawn
But if its lower on grong it could be they're taking the combo
gaunt dawn
Stuff like that
exotic spoke
Heroic off night or before / right around when we started doing mythic.
strong forum
I don't like to in depth analyse cuz it's not needed and I'm lazy
lusty grotto
i mean, they like the all-star rank ups, that's fine
gaunt dawn
Gotta see what specifically the uptime difference is and why if you want to minmax active dps time
exotic spoke
No way I could have done that on mythic thyme
lusty grotto
not with that attitude 😄
strong forum
Panthea I was talking damage taken, not damage dealt :P unless I misunderstood you there aswell
W/e
exotic spoke
Lol. You couldnt solo tank mythic hounds. I had to solo tank heroic hounds. Healers spammed the fuck out of me and inspiring presence healed the raid lol
gaunt dawn
It can be both 🙈
lusty grotto
yeah i mean there's no reason to see uptimes on boost's logs, he always cheeses
strong forum
Ye, fuck boost
lusty grotto
we have known that
gaunt dawn
10k dtps is pretty huge though
gaunt dawn
23k sounds high?
gaunt dawn
I may also be thinking of ehrps
Yes
I am
I do my defensive checking on 'how many healers do the tanks need'
It has its places
Much like every tank metric it works in a specific scenario
exotic spoke
I think we all agree - you need to see how everything relates to one another and not cherrypick the sections
exotic spoke
@lusty grotto sorry I mean Leechip
oblique garnet
Lets not talk about leech
exotic spoke
How about them local sports teams?
gaunt dawn
Drake
lusty grotto
lmao
exotic spoke
Nah, also it’s basketball - who the fuck cares? Hockey is still on
exotic spoke
Fuck the bruins - St. Louis needs to win 2 more
sick sentinel
Yeah, 23k dtps and 23k ehrps is insanely different
Slow internet here so I'm a bit behind
sick sentinel
I'm literally in an exam
exotic spoke
Hockey’s like soccer but a lot better. Faster, harder hits, less (not completely removed) diving, and you don’t have to be fucking dying outside - it’s cool inside
lusty grotto
pssst what u need fam, we can help you
exotic spoke
Oof I hated matlab then again.... it was when I started doing calc 3 and other shit
Diff eq
lusty grotto
calc 3 was series for you?
exotic spoke
Not the ones in calc2 but the class just for them
I had problems because before that I never had to study. So when it was actually something that didn’t come naturally I didn’t know how to study
lusty grotto
sequence and series?
that was my calc 3
i repeated it... once
took it with a polish professor and i couldn't understand shit
exotic spoke
It was a decade ago and I don’t need it any more so I forgot. But it wasn’t just I attend lecture and get it in second semester freshman year. So not know how to study hurt
sick sentinel
I'm second year in here, will probs drop out lmao
oblique garnet
On the topic of leech @hot locust said it extremely well on the finalbossTVs prot warrior podcast i wonder if anyone clipped it
sick sentinel
I was watching but I didn't clip anything
exotic spoke
What are you doing?
dim harbor
I pug raids and mythic+
exotic spoke
Raids or m+?
Do you need more survivability or no?
fickle urchin
diamond and rezans imo
exotic spoke
Well you’re going to get different answers for each topic
lusty grotto
super casual hmm
exotic spoke
Vial / rezan if you don’t need survivability
lusty grotto
ima say vial rezan yeah
exotic spoke
For m+
dim harbor
vial and rezan it is, perfect
lusty grotto
keep that diamond if you feel you need to be more defensive and replace vial with it
exotic spoke
Rezan / diamond for raid if you need survivability.
Vial / diamond for m+ if you need survivability
exotic spoke
Keep all of those.
dim harbor
I guess that's the more important thing, I was wondering which ones I should delete
but I guess ill keep them all
exotic spoke
Nim, I mean if he needs just a little survivability sorry I wasn’t clear
lusty grotto
you can delete jes
exotic spoke
Like if he can’t use both dps and had to pick one to make defensive
I wouldn’t use howler at 5 ilvls lower
lusty grotto
if that jes was 415 or higher, it would be worth
exotic spoke
It’s not bad in raids
lusty grotto
maybe
exotic spoke
But yeah - it benefits the group not just you.
dim harbor
I always play supports, tanks/heals, so I love the fact that jes "buffs" other people and makes them better hah
but if it's simply not as good, then that's just it
oblique garnet
I also heard something about mdi finals including siege but i cleaned my discord servers so im no longer in the mdi discord so i cant find out if its true or not
exotic spoke
It also rewards you for helping which is nice since you gain after sharing. Not as much as if it was just you - but still nice
empty inlet
imagine all the healing
lusty grotto
🤦
exotic spoke
A social in my guild pugged heroic and got a socketed 415 diamond - it may also have leech.
lusty grotto
goddamn it
exotic spoke
Meanwhile, I can’t get a second one to even drop in the hopes of warforging on mythic
dim harbor
disgusting hah
dim harbor
alright I think I'll stick with rezen for sure, and basically /roll 2 on how I'm feeling for vial/diamond lol
lusty grotto
so many bonus rolls lost
but hey at least i got an anchor
on my first jaina
come to think of it
its the only trinket i have from BoD
exotic spoke
I bonus roll on champions, opulence, and rastakhan only. 2 of the 3 every week. Probably not rastakhan now that I have his ring at 420.
dim harbor
I bonus rolled on jaina last week because I was only missing the helm transmog... I got it... #fashionmatters lol
oblique garnet
I bonus roll grong conclave and mekka depending on the comp
Cant catch a weapon to save my life
exotic spoke
Everyone who has a tank offspec also swaps to that on opulence... we’ve seen 4 fucking diamonds now. 2 on one persons bonus loot and 2 that the other tanks got
lusty grotto
muh deeps
exotic spoke
So, the real question is - what spec is more likely to get trinkets from the chest.
oblique garnet
Do you have 420 onehander and shield?
lusty grotto
i dont
oblique garnet
Go fury
exotic spoke
Sounds good to me. I assume fewer two handers than one hand + shield
lusty grotto
410 weap 415 shield so :\
oblique garnet
Same
lusty grotto
hoping for that sexy 420 block
now that i said it, im probably gonna get another bracer for the 12th week in a row
exotic spoke
Non shit 415+ trinket please when I get home in 8 hours
oblique garnet
@ionic fern do you still need a boost for that druid?
sick sentinel
Superdad -Savior of Azeroth- The Dad Who Saved My Mythic Dungeon
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel 10/10
sand egret
Now THAT is a mog
astral crystal
baller
honest frigate
That's dadbod deswind
wild plank
is reckless flurry actually used by prot warriors or am i being trolled
i dont see why
versed widget
nice, just got 415 helm with deafening/BoM/overwhelming power
lusty grotto
For cheesing parses or m jaina pushes @wild plank
lusty grotto
Rf also works with devastator
lime mantle
@sick sentinel that is the best thing I have ever seen and you deserve a ping for making us see it.
strong forum
Well RF and devastator don't exactly correlate, they just both proc off of melee attacks
But the 10 % atk speed weapon sounds insane
lusty grotto
Devastator doesn't proc from melee attacks
Only rf does
As devastator turns your melee attacks into devastates, it procs off of them
So yes rf works off devastator
I know because I tested it at the start of 8.1
lime mantle
What he means is that when you melee hit RF and devastation damage proc
But having devastator won’t increase RF by itself
lusty grotto
Oh of course
strong forum
Well same thing
golden blaze
Is any of the Azerite Armor in bod good for prot?
sand egret
yes, of course.
lusty grotto
all of it pretty much if you have lower ilvl
strong forum
Mekka shoulders are really good, so is jadefire helmet and champion chest
so @oblique garnet you said deleting your cache gave you huge fps increase?
lusty grotto
of course
also becoming stormforged
oh wait
i thought you meant dps
fps also of course :p
strong forum
I'll give it a go then
silver sail
The stormwall chest too
is bis for M+
basically identical to the champions one
just the inner ring is resounding protection
instead of the rallying cry
lusty grotto
gottem!
oblique garnet
@strong forum yeah it increased ly fps by 60
@undone sun but you need an active sub to be SF😉
lusty grotto
lol
oblique garnet
You can spend the remaining 4 days to make me new UI maybe ill even send you a mousepad
undone sun
Lol
lusty grotto
lmao
undone sun
"maybe"
oblique garnet
I have some extras left
undone sun
Lol nah ive completely accepted I have lower than 0% chance of getting SF back
oblique garnet
You were right about memehold though
lusty grotto
you had too much power thyme!!
oblique garnet
Shits weird
lusty grotto
dg and here?!
lusty grotto
dont lie, yellow gives you near immortality in WoW
smh at those 14k shots on that 22 kr
that mwahi got
oblique garnet
Thats true, ever since i became SF i have not died a single time on my warrior
lusty grotto
sorcery
undone sun
🤣
oblique garnet
It comes with a cost though i have lost the ability to play any other spec
undone sun
🕷
exotic spoke
Why would you want to right now though @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
@exotic spoke ? Want what
exotic spoke
To play another spec
oblique garnet
Mostly because there is nothing to do on my warrior till new patch comes
lusty grotto
rip
sick sentinel
Lies @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Elemental shaman is basically a prot warrior change my mind
tulip panther
did i hear Enchancement Shaman 🤔
final mist
You mean Warlock
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto saying that rf works of devastator can mean 2 different things
solar delta
Is it worth even using the 415 with horrible traits? I'm assuming yeah cause of mainstat or?
supple path
Generally unless it's your only DC piece never worth giving up even 15 ilvls.
sick sentinel
your face is a horrible trait lmao
inners are bad yes
but like IF/BFI is not bad at all
and lifespeed is also very good
supple path
Taking longstrider always hurts, but not worth the ilvl tradeoff, yeah.
sick sentinel
that's a solid chest, the fact that it doesn't have BoM does not make it horrible
solar delta
Yeah but brings me down to 1 Bastion again
Waited till I did M champs to another week I can't get that damn chest but I've gotten it like 6 times on my damn DK
sick sentinel
it's still not bad
solar delta
Also if I already have 1 DC trait should I take swirling sands over a second DC?
sick sentinel
yes'
supple path
Unless you're just aiming for maximizing M+ DPS or something yeah.
sick sentinel
swirling sands is big deeps
supple path
Oh yeah, you're not wrong, bloodmallet has it has higher raw dps in single target and AE than DC after first trait.
lusty grotto
daily reminder that Windows Key + Shift + S and paste here is your friend
@solar delta
warm plinth
Way to assume his OS
lusty grotto
ok my bad
shift cmd 4 for macs
and ive never had to take snippets on linux but im sure that it has a shortcut depending on the distro
if youre not on win10 you deserve have your pc turned into a bot permanently
sorry win7ers
warm plinth
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Tell my work to pay for the update (which I'm sure is probably free but they're lazy)
warm plinth
All the new PCs/laptops they're giving out have Windwos 10 but they're not updating ones that are in service already.
lusty grotto
i meant your WoW pc
warm plinth
My WoW PC has Windows 10 PRO
lusty grotto
nice
warm plinth
Because I'm a pro
lusty grotto
indeed
actually sure there's a snippet shortcut on linux
pretty sure i've used it
neon tangle
"on linux" who tf knows what window manager you're using tho
analog swift
thots on pulling the whole room with Raal on this week with a ret pally on my squad?
neon tangle
@warm plinth I got pro as well
lusty grotto
Cinnamon def has it
neon tangle
but that's so I can use trusted boot + a tpm
lusty grotto
On linux
neon tangle
it's kinda sad that windows makes you pay extra for using bitlocker, etc
lusty grotto
Eh
I mean most of us got it for free via the upgrade so it's nbd
There are open source alternatives to bit locker anyway
warm plinth
I only got it because it was free. I have zero clue what features it has that other versions don't and probably don't use any of them anyway.
I don't understand what any of the things you just said are. I can build a PC in the sense that I know which parts go where, but I ask the guy at the store to tell me what to put in it (or people on Discord) lol
neon tangle
only stuff that I want form pro is bitlocker+hyperv
from**
@lusty grotto It's not really a matter of whether you can hack around it, bitlocker should be on by default, for everyone
dark lark
I'm officially using 3x BoM, 3x DC, and all crit enchants and gems for high M+. How much will my healers hate me
neon tangle
prolly not much, how much haste do you have?
and what are your other options that DC?
real talk, dc #2 and #3 do a chunk less damage than the first, and there are better dps options
dark lark
21% unbuffed with no into the fray stacks
I had 2x iron fort and 1 DC before
But this is for the memes really
neon tangle
look at generic traits too
BBI, TC, swirling sands, etc all do more damage than the 2nd DC stack
not meme-ing, just going full damage is a valid strat, but people kinda over-estimate how much the damage portion of DC is
dark lark
hmm ill take a look
ebon lagoon
Question - Callous Reprisal or Blightborne Infusion?
If I have to choose between 'em on a trait slot.
warm plinth
I'd choose Blightborne
warm plinth
New warrior?
ebon lagoon
Relatively.
I've been grinding rep, doing war campaign, world quests, etc. since I hit 120.
lusty grotto
i guess i kind of agree with you being free @neon tangle
it should def be a default windows thing
sort of like encryption on both android and ios
i suppose microsoft being as it is now, that change should be coming soon
if it was old closed source MS though i wouldn't cross my fingers haha
halcyon nacelle
what would you guys use for m+? 400 prism with leech or 415 base, since leech is around 15% of my overall healing in m+ im unsure
ionic fern
What did you do.
undone sun
😓
open bluff
leech, avoidance, and speed are worth exactly 0 ilvl
supple path
that's...not true.
warm plinth
@halcyon nacelle You should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever drop ilevel for leech.
supple path
Even if they're not worth giving up an ilvl trade for, they do have SOME value.
supple path
Mostly only becomes relevant in leech + socket situations vs 5 ilvl trade-offs though
warm plinth
The only times I choose an item with leech is because it was the better item without the leech, or if I'm choosing between two identical items and one has leech.
I just can't
And now Nim is leech-memeing. Do you see what you've done
lusty grotto
just to be clear
he said 400 ilvl diamond with leech vs a 415 diamond
just try to wrap your head around that one
warm plinth
Maybe I don't want to. Maybe I just want to sob uncontrollably into my pillow tonight
supple path
You're all going to get yours when MDI finally lets people get bonus stats on gear or whatever and you start having discussions about how much leech do you need to drop a healer.
warm plinth
Leech isn't a bad stat. If you're lucky enough to get a ton of it on your highest ilevel gear, it's gonna be pretty awesome
lusty grotto
if he said 415 diamond with leech versus 415 diamond without...
we would have said leech
warm plinth
Yep, 100%
warm plinth
And more str
lusty grotto
indeed
supple path
I'd actually be really curious to see how many ilvls of the absorb leech ends up being equivalent to, math-wise
halcyon nacelle
yeah that was what im thinking about
supple path
though my first guess is "like 2"
halcyon nacelle
and ty for getting memed
warm plinth
😭
lusty grotto
gottem
warm plinth
I miss Stewart. He always helped me keep it together.
lusty grotto
here's the thing though
leech might be just a tad more valuable as time goes on into the expansion
still not enough to justify it over ilvl
supple path
Yeah, %-based scaling.
ionic fern
You guys are doing some next level leech math huh
warm plinth
You're the theorycrafter here Mwahi, get on it
warm plinth
This is feelycraft with the implication of future math
warm plinth
Yeah but you do the simcraft shit
supple path
Right? According to my top feelycraft in 3 more content patches leech will routinely be worth dropping 5 ilvls for.
warm plinth
You're like an honorary theorycrafter
supple path
ALWAYS
lusty grotto
fuck y'all i wanna go fast
warm plinth
Nim's waiting for when they let us change gear in m+ again
lusty grotto
💀
supple path
The #1 thing I used my speedsuit for is running back to kin'garoth anyhow
lusty grotto
here waiting on gear swap again
warm plinth
We didn't even need a speed set in Legion
supple path
We'll eventually get another raid with a long annoying runback and then the speedsuit people will be able to totally emote at you.
warm plinth
Just swap your boots to lego boots and cast Battle Cry
supple path
It stacked really nicely with the speedsuit. And the 3x heroic leap shoulders.
warm plinth
I actually loved Timeless Stratagem. So fun
warm plinth
Wait, you talking about Bear Tartare?
supple path
Bear Tartare, never forget.
lusty grotto
ya
warm plinth
Pshh
supple path
Proccing off critters
warm plinth
Pre-nerf Fighter Chow was my shit.
warm plinth
Though speed set with aggramar's was hilarious on a dwarf tbh
Dwarf sprinting animation is fuckin silly
lusty grotto
just look at the arms
ionic fern
Ever seen a Gnome sprint?
warm plinth
Yeah, my windwalker is a gnome
ionic fern
warm plinth
Almost as ridiculous as a dwarf
supple path
Running back to aggramar through the coven room with speed bonus with speedsuit + heroic leap boost + agg stride + battlecry + sprint pot was just vrROOOOOOOMMMMMMM
like 600%+
undone sun
good times
supple path
that's the heroic leap boost
warm plinth
I went fury for one BG (probably the only BG I've done in like 10 years) in Legion with Timeless Stratagem. Most fun I've ever had, heroic leaping from one WSG base to the other without having to run lol
lusty grotto
i got lost in your wording 😦
supple path
word problems are the worst sort of math
timid jay
What
lusty grotto
yes
timid jay
Ok
quiet crane
If only spell reflect shown dmg on meters 😦
undone sun
then it would be nerfed even faster
quiet crane
Rip
warm plinth
Pride comes before the fall man. Just enjoy the damage privately.
lusty grotto
readies pitchfork
quiet crane
Wewww
quiet crane
Smol brain < actually got no idea how to do that
undone sun
hmmmm
timid jay
Check the rock lance
Even says different source and target
So it would be real hard making a filter for that
lusty grotto
rock lance ya
what the fuck
shale spit?!
ummmm......
how did a shale spit reflect hit an earthshaper
🤔
wait is that a pet
am i confusing it with the little worms
timid jay
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lusty grotto
uhhhh.... it is the little worms
warm plinth
That doesn't make sense.
lusty grotto
wtf
timid jay
So
Correct me if I'm wrong, havent played since launch and I barely did dungeons
But didnt they attack each other?
oblique garnet
Before 2nd boss yes they are fighting each other
lusty grotto
ive never seen them fighting each other
oblique garnet
yes the ramp up as soon as you move closer to them they kill the smallies
oblique garnet
Thats why you used to randomly get bursting stacks
lusty grotto
yeah you're right
undone sun
👓
lusty grotto
i dont know what the fuck im looking at when going up the ramp
probably #protection
☑
timid jay
Are you perhaps playing a female character?
undone sun
that's me during agg prog
oblique garnet
they despawn as soon as you go past the driller on the left iirc
undone sun
and argus
lusty grotto
always
oblique garnet
Yes
lusty grotto
the fuck are you guys looking at africa for
oblique garnet
The shield dude and his posse is fighting the small mobs
lusty grotto
bro that's like 20 miles off the coast awareness
have you guys heard the expression "we'll cross that bridge when we get there"
oblique garnet
You have to think 10 steps ahead my man
oblique garnet
There is not
warm plinth
😂 😂 😂
lusty grotto
to be fair i also didnt know you could pull gutters after 1st boss in siege
warm plinth
Late doesn't have situational awareness. He has world awareness.
warm plinth
tfw a mob attacks Nim's healer who is standing behind him 😦
oblique garnet
So its ct
lusty grotto
kinda just swap between CT and Safeguard for the most part
timid jay
CT is only 50% now right?
lusty grotto
ya
lusty grotto
i cant recall
lusty grotto
revenge-arific
hollow dagger
Hello guys! Some peoples are saying war prot is going to be hard nerfed. Since i'm willing to play a war prot for mm+, is it viable to start now even if it will be nerfed?
sick sentinel
the people that say "hard nerfed" are just clueless
ionic fern
Won't be hard at all.:)
hollow dagger
Well the last pin was posted on 16/04 and i don't know if there was changes since then. So i'm asking
oblique garnet
No there was not
hollow dagger
Ok
oblique garnet
Only thing at this point that can dethrone warriors is just gonna be the affix itself
lusty grotto
kinda weird how people think a class isn't worth leveling up due to nerfs
ionic fern
Oh @timid jay when did you get on this server???
ionic fern
lusty grotto
ye
timid jay
wtf is up with this emote
lusty grotto
the internets man!
hollow dagger
@lusty grotto Not saying a class isn't worth playing due to nerfs, i just want to play a good class, this is totally normal
ionic fern
😂
lusty grotto
internets =
timid jay
Should I keep stacking defense or is the diminishing returns too strong for that stat?
undone sun
laying pipes
lusty grotto
100% guaranteed
undone sun
idfk
warm plinth
What the eff is that Cosmo
lusty grotto
classic
undone sun
G E A R S C O R E
warm plinth
I knew GearScore wouldn't take long to be in classic...
sand egret
that expertise!
warm plinth
Hang on, let me find my quote
lusty grotto
i thought it was a sum of dodge+parry+block
timid jay
nah
lusty grotto
fuck i can't remember
timid jay
thats crushing blows
lusty grotto
oh ya
timid jay
For the hit table
lusty grotto
ya that's right
timid jay
Defense was for general defense and most importantly crit immune
warm plinth
timid jay
Crit + crushing blow 😓
lusty grotto
its all coming back to me
timid jay
Also Gash
lusty grotto
but are you hit capped
lusty grotto
lmao that's a wotlk screenshot
warm plinth
I didn't look at the picture that closely tbh. Just saw gearscore and then Nim saying classic
timid jay
speaking of classic, they just raised level cap to 40
lusty grotto
can't see earth shapers fighting against shales
undone sun
classic 😴
timid jay
I'm actually excited for classic
lusty grotto
wish i had actual 2004 time for classic
and then im like you know what, i probably can use that time to do something else :p
exotic spoke
Meh, I don’t. It wasn’t healthy how much I played then
timid jay
The leveling was so brutal before TBC made it faster to level
exotic spoke
Something more productive - like jerking off
lusty grotto
that shit wasn't even funny lmao
warm plinth
Same Riki; played waaaay too much
timid jay
If nothing else its fun to go back to see how the game has changed
lusty grotto
that much is true
exotic spoke
hit rank 11 3 times for the mounts. Raided 5 nights a week
lusty grotto
i played way too much as well
lusty grotto
i only hit commander or field commander
exotic spoke
I played others accounts for it too lol. Fuck Princess Huhu though
lusty grotto
high commander?
lusty grotto
can't remember the specific one
exotic spoke
Did you buy a pvp mount!
exotic spoke
If you bought a pvp mount (100% increase) for like 9 gold or 90 - depending on when you hit it - you hit rank 11
timid jay
That must have been insane before the riding skill changfes
exotic spoke
If you have your character you did it on you can check your achievements online too
timid jay
wtf
lusty grotto
oh let me check
exotic spoke
You spent more time pvping for it that it would have taken to grind the gold out to buy the more expensive one
lime mantle
@timid jay defense is a shit stat defensively, more stam is better. And expertise for dps.
t. Actual advise from the time
T-thanks my nostalgia got hit
timid jay
pog
shadow spruce
What would you guys take for 20+ keys this week in terms of trinkets? I have 405 Prism, 405 Rezan's, and 410 Vial
shadow spruce
i feel like both are important. im just wondering how bad necrotic affects prism this week
exotic spoke
It’s necrotic - diamond is shit this week
lusty grotto
fuck it got turned into the horde equivalent riki
timid jay
@lime mantle shouldnt expertise be decent for defensive purposes as well? No parry haste for boss 🤔
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
Lt general?
That’s 11
@shadow spruce vial rezans. Not using my 415 diamond this week personally
Also, you don’t need healing if everything is dead
lusty grotto
me proudest moment
timid jay
Those drakes are so fucking cool
dense flame
dense flame
Stance dancing smashing blink mages
lusty grotto
legion and tbc are the best looking glad mounts by far imo
exotic spoke
I miss reflecting deep freeze or whatever it was
lusty grotto
ya deep freeze
warm plinth
Which one is higher, rival or duelist?
timid jay
that was wotlk though
exotic spoke
Duelist I think?
lime mantle
@timid jay it's been literally like 10 years since I played tbc/wrath I do not remember. I think you didn't because parry haste was random? idk.
lusty grotto
duelist
warm plinth
I got rival in S2 😂
exotic spoke
I fucked myself out of gladiator 😦
warm plinth
Playing feral druid/resto druid 2v2
timid jay
Well doubt it would be stronger than pure defense stats
Still should be something I guess xd
lime mantle
My proudest is getting the cheevo dragon from icc10.
Via doing spanish server pugs 😂
exotic spoke
I was duelist a lot in tbc / wotlk. Pushed for glad when were 2350 last week cause arenajunkies said we needed to be 2450 for gladiator
lime mantle
Immortal is 25, undying is 10
warm plinth
I don't have most of my proud achievements anymore. Lost so much transferring my OG account back to my b.net
exotic spoke
We dropped to 2200. Someone 2275 got gladiator
lusty grotto
oh yeah undying
lime mantle
not cope
void pecan
Hey. Just getting back into prot-warrioring after not having touched it since Legion...is there an azerite trait chart or something to evaluate those? After 1-2-3 etc
timid jay
Death's demise is still the best raid title
lusty grotto
death's demise was sweet fo rusre
warm plinth
Check out the azerite section of the guide @void pecan Link is in the #268491842637660160 channel
exotic spoke
Check icy veins chemical Pete. It’s a very good write up
warm plinth
The icy-veins guide, yeah. Not even sure why the wowhead one has a link in there 😏
lusty grotto
@exotic spoke we had glad in s3, but we dropped to help a new recruit druid get some rating... guy sucked and we never got the rating back up so we lost a sure 2nd glad
warm plinth
With a feral/resto comp we didn't have a single match under like 20-25 minutes. It was fucking brutal.
unborn island
does stoneform get rid of the nasty DoT from the skeletons in UR?
exotic spoke
There were two locks in my guild who did twos together as double sl / sl
lusty grotto
i smashed glaive rogues and glaive fury warriors easily
exotic spoke
Stunherald?
timid jay
Had a group of guildies doing 2v2 with a rogue that had both glaives and a resto shaman that went ele as OS
lusty grotto
most glaive people thought they would win with them, but they usually just sucked
lime mantle
@unborn island it's a bleed iirc
exotic spoke
I regret going axesmithing in vanilla
lusty grotto
yeah
exotic spoke
Gets rid of tick debuffs too
warm plinth
That's not a bleed; it's magic.
exotic spoke
Stoneform / fireblood gets rid of things if it’s classified
warm plinth
The application is magic anyway
lusty grotto
yes
exotic spoke
It’s all about resetting necrotic stacks this week imo
timid jay
All I hear is spell reflect
warm plinth
Yeah if you let Wicked Frenzy go off in the first place, you should consider it a loss lol
lusty grotto
if it goes through
exotic spoke
It’s not that bad imo
warm plinth
You can reflect the application but since it applies with their melee attacks, it gets reapplied pretty fast.
lusty grotto
like getting hit for 90k after block by fucking queen patlaa
lusty grotto
and then seeing mwahi get hit by 14k by her on a 22
warm plinth
Get moar block
exotic spoke
get a not shit shield and crit block it imo
lusty grotto
its the raw damage that's the problem
non crit blocks were similar
except when mwahi's bfi goes off
exotic spoke
How did you get hit by that much more unless he crit blocked or something?
lusty grotto
that reminds me
exotic spoke
Demo shout?
lusty grotto
does that guy that was gonna log it, do it?
exotic spoke
Very?
lusty grotto
one sec let me paste the 2 screenshots
exotic spoke
K
timid jay
holy shit why is that image so small
lusty grotto
oh sorry
exotic spoke
It’s so blurry
honest frigate
30% parry this week boys
void pecan
So how much does Deafening Crash stack? Does it extend with 6 secs per TC if I have 3 DC-Azerite items?
lusty grotto
thats a 22 vs an 18
oblique garnet
No it doesnt extend beyond 6 seconds @void pecan
void pecan
So 1 DC is crucial...beyond it's pretty trash tier?
warm plinth
Only the first one provides any benefit as far as extending Demo Shout. Past the first one, it's just added damage to Thunder Clap.
lusty grotto
its a damage increase past the first one
warm plinth
It's not trash; it's just only good for DPS (and other traits are potentially better depending on what you have)
exotic spoke
He has avatar up and crit block
exotic spoke
85% mitigation then multiplicative debuff to mitigate on average about 20% more than you
honest frigate
Is that fort?
exotic spoke
Are you tracking only self buffs?
lusty grotto
look
the important part
is i got hit back to back by 90k with around 70k blocked
so that's around what? 160k raw damage?
shit im dumb the raw damage is listed
exotic spoke
Raw is like several hundred thousand
exotic spoke
Yeah - I’m just saying when numbers get that large %s make a big difference
lusty grotto
so on an 18 you're getting hit by the same amount of a 22
opaque shuttle
Hey guys I'm new to war prot and I'd like to know how many % of each stat should I have ?
exotic spoke
Bottom line is the game hates you nim
honest frigate
No requirements @opaque shuttle, just take the highest ilvl pieces
lusty grotto
ya we all came to the conclusion that shoot rng might have been a big factor
opaque shuttle
Rly ? I should not even go for more haste ?
timid jay
Not if you sacrifice ilvl for it
exotic spoke
Sky, icyveins has a good write up
The tldr is - go based on Ilvl. If equal Ilvl go with the piece that has more haste
lusty grotto
oh man i missed that answer
steel mauve
preferably the best use of time is to read the guides and notes and then asked questions that are either confusing about the guides, or arent answered in them
exotic spoke
I had something vulgar to say but opted to be nice
lusty grotto
lmao
exotic spoke
You’ve heard us
lusty grotto
hey i'm keeping myself in check i dont wanna start shit :p
lusty grotto
its not too different from what im used to
i just miss the synergy
teams that function that way are great 😉
exotic spoke
Banter back and forth - but swapping to important shit when we need to
rain marsh
hey guys what is the best 6 traits for raiding as prot warrior thx for answers
lusty grotto
#268491842637660160 icy veins guide -> azerite section
exotic spoke
Nim is correct
sick sentinel
freehold 14
chilly brook
Why does everyone still think we’re in legion almost a year later?
Like no we don’t sacrifice ilvl for stats 🤦🏻♂️
exotic spoke
Because people need to read a book (in this case a guide)
timid jay
Not like you sacrificed much at all in legion even
potent anvil
I miss legion 😞
lusty grotto
helm or shoulders since you can pug mythic champs and get a 415
sand relic
i have cthraxxi 415 shoulders i got are they good
im able to get 2 pieces
now im gonna get helm
they have if and swirling sands or IF and DC but i already have dc on my 405 chest
lusty grotto
you won't get swirling sands
sand relic
huh
lusty grotto
its restricted to a very specific chest
sand relic
people told me swirling sands was good
lusty grotto
its good but the availability is poor
sorry
chtraxxi shoulders only
not chest
ok so you have them, thats good
sand relic
now i should go for helm ?
sand relic
i also have 405 chest
sand relic
kk
lusty grotto
don't waste residuum on things you can get elsewhere