protection

[oblique garnet]

Only times i hold avatar is if the pack is dying

[lusty grotto]

@neon tangle logitech has a new wireless g502 called lightspeed but its worth like 150 bucks - it also has absolutely no delay at all - or so according to a few reviews i read

bruh

the mx518 is available in US 😄

the re-released one

just checked

slightly more expensive than a g502 hero

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto welp, maybe I'm gonna replace my 903

eh, maybe, do I care enough to spend another $150?

[lusty grotto]

Lmao nah

Def not worth it, even if it has 0 delay

Way too expensive

[neon tangle]

I mean, I already have a lightspeed one

it would literally just be a different shape

[lusty grotto]

True

[neon tangle]

I also have the wireless charging mousepad

[lusty grotto]

Well there were g903s that weren't lightspeed

Yeah I'm not sold on the mouse pad, I like my super huge one that goes under the keyboard too much

It's great tech, just rather not replace my standard long pad

[undone sun]

wish i had a mouse mat

[neon tangle]

I play on a fairly small desk anyways, so super huge pads would be a waste

[lusty grotto]

Ah well the charging one has decent size

[neon tangle]

yeah, tbh my keyboard covers like half of it

[lusty grotto]

Thyme rocking the no mouse pad like me at work

[neon tangle]

I don't have a mousepad at work

[lusty grotto]

Idk why I've never bothered

[neon tangle]

because I'm living in 2019 and use a magic trackpad

[lusty grotto]

Nice

We have those ikea tables which are OK surfaces for mice anyway

The inch and a half thick table top kind

[undone sun]

got a glass top desk

and my current, shitty $1 mouse pad slides about

[lusty grotto]

No issues with optical sensors?

Or is it an old school mouse with the sphere thing

[undone sun]

nah it's optical but the glass doesn't allow it to properly work

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

Hmmm

You playing with the real affixes

Lmao

[undone sun]

story of my life

[oblique garnet]

@undone sun since youre bored wanna redo my UI? 8)

[undone sun]

haHAA

who said i was bored

[ionic fern]

Delete everything and make it default ui

[lusty grotto]

Thyme charges in mousepads

[ionic fern]

Prepare him for Classic

[oblique garnet]

Yeah mwahi i tried to go that route

[undone sun]

ngl, if i got a mouse mat out of that

i'd do it

[lusty grotto]

👆

[oblique garnet]

I can send you a mousepad

[ionic fern]

Who uses mousepads in 2019

[undone sun]

😡 i just said why

[ionic fern]

😂

[lusty grotto]

You people without mouse pads

[oblique garnet]

Also mwahi i really tried to use the standard blizzard ui

There were too many things missing

[ionic fern]

Was it horrible?

😂

[lusty grotto]

Yikes

[oblique garnet]

I couldnt find half the things i wanted to see

[undone sun]

i just use panthea's ui, works really well for what i want

my old one one wago is very outdated

[oblique garnet]

What does it look like?

[ionic fern]

I could live with default ui if i can move the things around a bit

[oblique garnet]

You can move everything

[lusty grotto]

I dislike looking down to my bars for cds and shit

[undone sun]

let me find it

[oblique garnet]

Thats not the issue mwahi

[ionic fern]

I use Panths as well on my Paladin

[undone sun]

https://wago.io/BJ5xUmrH-

[oblique garnet]

I mean obviously i would still use weakauras

[undone sun]

the middle bit is WAs

[oblique garnet]

Figured

[undone sun]

i used it prior to me quitting and reimported it when i came back

though that's not lasting much longer

[lusty grotto]

Rip

[ionic fern]

Time to resub Thyme.

Re-resub

[undone sun]

haHAA

need gold first

actually just enough https://i.imgur.com/yt97i7i.png

😅

[oblique garnet]

You can come back in 8.2

[ionic fern]

And be dissapointed once again

😂

[undone sun]

yeah...

[oblique garnet]

I need to figure out why im lagging in raids

[undone sun]

terrible optimization

14 year old engine

[ionic fern]

Tbf for some reason i started lagging in m+ randomly..well,frame drops

[undone sun]

idk

[ionic fern]

Never happened before

[lusty grotto]

Reinstall WA

Fixed a bunch of issues with me at the start of 8.1

[oblique garnet]

Weakauras had an update yesterday mwahi

[lusty grotto]

Haven't had frame drops since

Also I'm on dx 12 :p

[oblique garnet]

Im afraid of reinstalling anything through the twitch launcher because last time i did that i lost everything

[lusty grotto]

Hmm

[ionic fern]

Ah,diddn't notice that will give it a shot tonight

[lusty grotto]

I just right click and reinstall and it saved my things and WAs

[oblique garnet]

If you have weakauras with old triggers etc they will lagg in m+

[lusty grotto]

Oh yeah

Those def do

[sick sentinel]

I’m wanting to learn and improve in M+ can someone recommend a streamer or youtuber? Like which mobs to kill/cc etc

[ionic fern]

Any of the high key streamers will do

[sick sentinel]

My group and I are stuck at +12

[ionic fern]

Drjay,Zzmok,Sense etc

[oblique garnet]

Sense has youtube videos out of all the dungeons iirc

Tank POV

[lusty grotto]

The simple raider io routes are good for you as well

[ionic fern]

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCeCzc4cLBfj_VxtgF31n-hA

[lusty grotto]

Just make sure you read their comments

Def don't try the advanced ones yet

[ionic fern]

Wish i was less lazy so i would record.🐷

[oblique garnet]

Wish i was less lazy so i could stream 🐷

[lusty grotto]

Ya but sense has some good ones just make sure you take what you can apply

[sick sentinel]

That’s guys. General question do you focus on 2-4 dungeons and practice them till you have it down or just rotate through them and learn?

[ionic fern]

Just pick what ever is available

[sick sentinel]

Nope no advanced guides. We are using the Method Dungeon tool.

[lusty grotto]

I wouldn't focus on a single dungeon too much on 12s

[oblique garnet]

If you are already comfortable on your class just do w/e dungeons are available if not its good to practice it in one dungeon

[lusty grotto]

Just make sure you remember what worked on each

[ionic fern]

Mdt is your best friend..plan the routes and then execute accordingly. Everything else will come with experience.

[lusty grotto]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

Yeah happy with my tank - just need tips to make it easier 😏

Specially pull strategies on mobs

[lusty grotto]

Only exp will make them easier tbh

[sick sentinel]

Cheers

[lusty grotto]

When you're comfortable enough with pulls, you start being a bit more risky

Pulling more, etc etc

That's basically how you go up

[ionic fern]

And be sure to be VOCAL. Assign interrupts and call for externals.

[lusty grotto]

Very important yeah

[sick sentinel]

That’s a good point. My healer always barkskins me when I shield wall

[lusty grotto]

Yeah make sure he says when he's barking so it doesn't overlap

Interrupt rotations and marks on casters are also important

Knowing when to stun and understanding how long the DR lasts, knowing that ccs interrupt certain abilities that can't be interrupted by kicks

There are guides in wow head that lists trash mobs abilities that might help for that too

[sick sentinel]

Thanks mate will go have a look

[oblique garnet]

@undone sun Yeah no this pantheas ui looks really scuffed

[undone sun]

🤣

[oblique garnet]

Everything is all over the place and theres frames overlapping and the scaling is just nono

[undone sun]

i definitely had to adjust it some

but not a whole lot

[sick sentinel]

Copying a ui from somebody with a different size screen can fuck it up

Copying my own ui back and forth fucks it up and I go from 24" to 22" and back

[oblique garnet]

its fine i got the fps issue sorted by deleting my cache

[undone sun]

👏

[oblique garnet]

its funny how deleting insides of cache folder gave me 60 fps 🤔

[ionic fern]

Almost as funny as me deleting my logs files gave me 70gb more space..damn you autolog.

[undone sun]

i did that in wod 🤣

[sick sentinel]

I found out yesterday

That my healer autologs

So I could have had logs for all those mpluses I did

When I was testing stuff

[stoic pilot]

Auto log is a thing? I didn’t know that

[undone sun]

specific addons like ERT can turn on logging as you enter a type of instance

[brazen lion]

my UI died the other night, does anyone have the SB WA that tracks cooldown with the border of the icon I got it from this Discord originally.

[oblique garnet]

https://wago.io/WarriorBlockTracker @brazen lion

[stoic pilot]

Oh wow thanks thyme. Been wanting to log m+ but I always forget

That’s useful info

[sick sentinel]

I always forget as well

But now I'll just tell my healer to upload them lmao

[stoic pilot]

Lmao

Is it actually common for log files to get that big fast? Or is 70gb of logs like years of logs

[sick sentinel]

It depends if you archive them or let them be

[brazen lion]

@oblique garnet Thanks for trying and that looks good too.

[stoic pilot]

One last question. If I use this uh, auto log feature and I log like 6 m+ in a row. When I go to upload does it allow me to upload only a specific dungeon? Or does it upload all 6

[brazen lion]

but I found it https://wago.io/NJa8tmST-

[undone sun]

i wouldn't say fast, really depends how often you run instances

gbs worth takes quite a while

[stoic pilot]

Okay so it’s not something I’d have to actively watch for. Just a clean up here and there

[undone sun]

yeh

[distant crystal]

basically you just wanna split your logs if they grow too huge

if you try to upload and the app freezes, you probably need to split

[neat harbor]

sup boyz, havent played since Christmas. Back then Blizzard was apparently adding in a currency for az gear that you could just farm and then buy whatever piece you wanted, yet I am hearing loads of ppl complaining about the RNG of farming az gear. Wtf happened?

[sick sentinel]

you either have the choice to get for example random shoulders

or save up to buy the exact one you want

people are gambling and they are losing

and then they are salty about it

the system is good

[strong forum]

Takes likes 2-3 weeks to buy 1 random piece and 8-10 weeks to buy 1 specific piece

If you're starting from 0 and don't do 20+ every week

[sick sentinel]

I still believe it's a fine system

[spice ferry]

Personally I’d like specific to be a bit cheaper, and azerite to matter enough that there would be a point to swap between them for different things but that’s more an issue with azerite as a whole than the vendor

[analog swift]

^^ when your statistically more likely to get a specific piece from rolling ransoms then the price is too high imo. But with every boss in bod dropping good azerite you can legit get pretty much bis from the first two then just gamble shoulders

[sick sentinel]

Or just buy specific shoulders and be done with it

[opal mesa]

so

the raid boss in darkshore

is it not always available?

[sick sentinel]

It's up every time darkshore is up

[strong forum]

Specific should be 4-5k instead of 7.7k tbh

[livid totem]

@sick sentinel how can you call it fine when there's RNG involved though ?

[strong forum]

But w/e, will see how next azerite rings will look like

[sick sentinel]

Because you can choose to take the rng away

[livid totem]

people have been complaining all the time with the legendaries in Legion

[sick sentinel]

Yes they were

The intention was to get the specifics out there

If you wanna gamble, it's up to you

I will gamble because I play 2 specs that want different Azerite so there is a very high chance I will get something useful

But if there are only 2 useful items in there you better save

Legion could still be as RNG

[livid totem]

yeah well... if you need to farm like months in order to get that specific gear, then I wouldn't call it "fine"

[sick sentinel]

But at the same time

[livid totem]

for the casual players that is.

[sick sentinel]

The thing is

You are buying an actual BEST IN SLOT piece

I bought c'thraxxi shoulders for fury

And I am DONE with shoulders

For the rest of the patch

Saving up for a month and scrapping all shoulders that get into my hands

Will result in having a literally best in slot item for the next 4 months

[livid totem]

Assuming you're doing m+10 every week ?

[sick sentinel]

The second best shoulder is 300 dps downgrade

[livid totem]

or +20 ?

[sick sentinel]

If you are doing just +10 then the biggest dps upgrade is playing better

Doing a +15 every week is trivial

And that's when it starts scaling slower

You can also clear hc and scrap

And do mythic and scrap

[livid totem]

I'm not sure you realize there are way much more casuals players out there ^^

[sick sentinel]

I know there are

They should be okay with not having the best items

[livid totem]

I haven't done a +20 yet, and my last +15 was from Legion.

Just so you know 😂

[strong forum]

Well a random piece next patch will cost like 17-20k, specific will be 70-100k. Weekly m+ will give you like 7k

[zinc garnet]

casuals are completely fine with any set of 3 415 azerites

[sick sentinel]

A better player than you SHOULD have better items than you

That's his reward for being better and spending more time

[strong forum]

That's the way it should be

[sick sentinel]

If you can't kill a mythic boss

Why do you deserve mythic loot

[livid totem]

You mean you "can't"

[sick sentinel]

Yes sorry

+15 with current gear is literally trivial difficulty

My ex dinged 120 after bod came out

And she can pug +15s

With ease

[strong forum]

15s are literally the 10s of last patch and the 20s of next patch

[sick sentinel]

she doesn't even know how half the bosses work

She just uses barbed shot and multishot or whatever bm hunters do

And she tops damage

[livid totem]

weeeeeeeeeelllllll...

[strong forum]

Well bm hunter is the easiest spec right after Dh

Kek

[livid totem]

That's why I hate hunters with a passion

[sick sentinel]

And you are in the prot warrior discord so I will assume you are prot

[livid totem]

Nope, I'm an altoholic right now x)

I hardly have anyone with more than 390 ilvl gear

so..........

[strong forum]

That's a yikes from me

[livid totem]

I don't run raid, only LFR because I can't be arsed to find a pug

[sick sentinel]

Then you shouldn't even have an opinion on how guy can optimize their character

[strong forum]

Ah I was like you in Legion raizou

[undone sun]

alting in bfa 😓

[sick sentinel]

Even the fact that you are allowed to have a 415 piece of Azerite is enough

[livid totem]

I'm not talking about "optimizing" but more about how it costs a shittons so to speak

[sick sentinel]

You can get a random piece every 3 weeks

[strong forum]

Well you don't do anything for it

[empty inlet]

i wa s going to buy a 10 on my rogue

[sick sentinel]

Just by a +10

[strong forum]

So ofc it's expensive

[empty inlet]

and some one invited my 380 rogue to a bob run

🤔

[livid totem]

If I don't alt, I'd have already stopped playing

[sick sentinel]

You can in 3 months, with an hour of work every week be decked out in mythic level azerite

[livid totem]

there are so many classes right now that are so dull to play

[strong forum]

Get a guild raizou, it's so much gear it's not even funny

[livid totem]

compared to, say, Legion

[strong forum]

I was guildless for 7 years

[empty inlet]

sounds like you need a new game

[strong forum]

Only played the way you did

[empty inlet]

not new gear

[livid totem]

yeah probably x)

[empty inlet]

x)

[strong forum]

Now I got a guild and have 4 chars on 414+ with 2 days played

A guild makes all the difference

[livid totem]

well, I had a guild, problem is, it was fairly casual, and not a lot of guild would accept a deaf player

we wiped multiples times in the 2 or 3rd boss in uldir

before I quit the game

I just couldn't take it anymore

[empty inlet]

pepehands

[sick sentinel]

Now I feel guilty for shitting on you

[livid totem]

also the fact that I had to play mostly 1 or 2 chars

It was either dk or monk because I didn't know which character would be the most fun to play

DK ? It went from one of my fav to one of the worst from Legion to BfA

[strong forum]

I got lucky with mine

Had 0 requirements on bfa launch

Now we have 2x CE so far

[livid totem]

well I'm glad for you x)

[strong forum]

Would've quit on raid launch

If this guild wasn't as retarded as it is

[livid totem]

it's not

[strong forum]

Mine is

[livid totem]

They are very friendly

Oh okay.

[strong forum]

That's the issue

They're friendly

A friendly guild is typically not a good guild

Just a hint

[opal mesa]

the 15 ilevel quests you get from the dwarf in silithus, is it still rep locked? is it unlocked for your account when you get rep on any single char? or how does it work

[livid totem]

well I'd take it over any guild with huge ego issues

[strong forum]

It's Account wide Cory

[opal mesa]

and the max level is what

exalted?

[strong forum]

Revered

Exalted doesn't give you anything

Our guild doesn't have an ego

We are outright retarded

Autistic

And will flame the shit out of you if you fuck up

But in a meme way

So it's perfect

[livid totem]

yeah no, I'm too old for this shit xD

[umbral forge]

@opal mesa revered

Also small quest chain with Magni in Nazmir boosts the ilvl by 10

Highest neck lvl atm is 433.

[livid totem]

wait what ?

oO

[oblique garnet]

neck itemlevel

[livid totem]

Oh, You mean ilvl

[oblique garnet]

actual level is still capped at 50

[livid totem]

phew

that would've been insane xD

[opal mesa]

quest in nazmir?

i dont recall doing it

my neck is level 50 tho so i guess i did everything

[oblique garnet]

The quest called Brother's Help

[analog swift]

In uldir

[livid totem]

I think it starts in the boat

doesn't it ?

[oblique garnet]

it starts at a camp in nazmir

[opal mesa]

i have a friend who resubbed

[oblique garnet]

but you get a popup notification for it anyways

[livid totem]

yep that's right

[opal mesa]

trying to figure out how to gear him

both stormfronts are inconveniently down neither quest nor world boss

[livid totem]

tell him to first start with drustvar's zone

[opal mesa]

his neck cant be upgraded because he has no rep

hes 120 were doing arenas

[livid totem]

ok ok :p

[opal mesa]

but it hurts when hes 120 ilevels below average

[empty inlet]

do m0

than do some m10 with him if you want him to be actually geared

415 azerite is timegated unless you can sneak him into mythic guilds 😉

[undone sun]

/script print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(54938))

Brother's Help

[livid totem]

Aw sh.t just got a DH for Horde, and it doesn't have the water fathom dweller mount for Legion...

[tulip panther]

thyme sleep 😡

i still dont have a waterstrider 🙂

[empty inlet]

^

i cry everytime in tol

[livid totem]

if you have only 1 character it's not a big deal

there are plenty of way to bypass that

[tulip panther]

i only go to TD with my DK so its fine 🙂

[livid totem]

do you like to play the DK ?

It's not fun anymore since I went from like 35% haste to 0.

[tulip panther]

its neat, coz you can control your health so much better than other tanks

but i mostly run weeklys and help friends gear doing 12-13 keys so

but prot warrior is def the new bae for me

[empty inlet]

hey its me

your friend

[tulip panther]

every 60sec you are having so much fucking fun 😡 👏🏻

[strong forum]

I hate bdk with a passion

[undone sun]

no 😡

[tulip panther]

its like infinite o'clock in thyme-land

[livid totem]

I just wish we didn't lose all the haste we got in Legion

[tulip panther]

oh shit nome, you just didnt say that

[strong forum]

Ultra slow and you get smacked so hard its not fun

[tulip panther]

the mobility is an issue, i can concurr

[livid totem]

Only the mobility ?

bro

[tulip panther]

WOW

[livid totem]

it's everything that's slow with BDK right now unless you can gear it with haste on every piece

and even then, I'm not sure if that's the right way to gear them

I guess yes.

[tulip panther]

well, its like playing reaction-game with 15sec in-put interval 🙂

[lime mantle]

I think someone said here it wasn’t

[thorny bobcat]

Hey guys, havent played since first tier, what iLvl do i need nowdays to do +10 ?

[lime mantle]

So a somehow worse Xiv!😂😂

[tulip panther]

im going crit on my BDK

@thorny bobcat i'v been pugging 10s with like 380ish tanks, ___ in time ___ . and i have like no score

[thorny bobcat]

oh

good

[spice ferry]

That’s not how you gear a dk

You gear ilvl

[tulip panther]

think a decent leader knows that tank can do with lover gear

[spice ferry]

Haste makes absolutely no difference

Like, a handful of runes on a bod encounter

[analog swift]

^^^

[livid totem]

I don't care if haste doesn't make a difference, I don't want a BDK to hit every 10 sec for every swing

I'm obviously exagerating.

[tulip panther]

hit buttons faster then 😡

[spice ferry]

Picking haste over ilvl is a detriment to your ability to tank

[tulip panther]

no-one even said that you gear stat-x over ilvl LUL

[spice ferry]

You literally gain a handful of runes having really high haste. You’d likely never even notice it

[void meadow]

how many points of mastery is 1%?

[sick sentinel]

@void meadow 72

Iirc

[spice ferry]

No he didn’t, but “haste on every piece” quickly turns into not equipping ilvl

[void meadow]

thanks!

[timid jay]

72 yes

for 1% ap

[undone sun]

Stat points per % Crit - 72 Haste - 68 MasteryAP - 72 Verse - 85 / 170

[sick sentinel]

Can't wait for guardians to get finally what they deserved the whole expac

[undone sun]

bingo

[timid jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/228965142879141888/447989629417684992/unknown.png

[sick sentinel]

Incarn

[undone sun]

2slow

[timid jay]

fak

[tulip panther]

@sick sentinel same

[void meadow]

is there a base amount of mastery?

% wise

[timid jay]

8% iirc

[void meadow]

Thanks agian

[sick sentinel]

Thyme's favourite talent

[tulip panther]

king of the jungle Pogey

oh... or was it ferals herpderp

[undone sun]

incarn 😴

[livid totem]

I want Sephuz back

[tulip panther]

nvm it was guardian of ursoc 😦

[livid totem]

@spice ferry I know what you mean, thing is, I'd rather have fun than playing "optimally". Like having haste ring over something like 5 10 ilvl max

[analog swift]

I mean sure. But you wouldn’t notice a difference at that point tho

[livid totem]

If you played BDK the entire Legion's expansion, trust me, you'd feel every haste you lost :p

[exotic spoke]

I mean, you can say the same about other classes. Everyone lost something

[livid totem]

hell, that's not the only class, it was the same way for Disc and shadow too, and BrM

yep

that's why I hated BfA

[exotic spoke]

Bfa is in a better place than at launch imo. Is it perfect? No of course not. But it is better.

[livid totem]

Yep

Still a big downgrade from last patch of legion without this crucible crap

[sick sentinel]

compare EN legion with ABT legion

[exotic spoke]

^^

[heavy chasm]

Lots of people forget legion actually kinda blew dick at launch too

[sick sentinel]

compare MoP launch with SoO MoP

[exotic spoke]

Essences seem to be much bigger than crucible was

[heavy chasm]

Wasnt till night hold it started to really get good imo

[sick sentinel]

compare fucking WoD Highmaul with BRF or HFC launch

like

just hang in there

[exotic spoke]

The legendary bug at the beginning? The fucking legendary slot machine

[heavy chasm]

Or how alt unfriendly it was

Get dicked by your first lego

After like 45 days and you get pyrdaz

Or some mobo one

[exotic spoke]

I mean... just don’t play alts and problem solved

[sick sentinel]

first legendary as fury->bracers

rip

[oblique garnet]

I got lucky in legion with legendaries

[sick sentinel]

make a new warrior at that point

[oblique garnet]

got 2 bis pieces as my first 2 legendaries

[unborn island]

The gloves were my last

:(

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, I got mannoroths last and what was the other bjs one. That was second to last (for prot / generic)

Prydaz first... when you had to not be hit for it to generate

[undone sun]

sounds identical to mine 😄

got prydaz and belt before the buffs, and really early

[exotic spoke]

Rip us

[undone sun]

i remember progging on ursoc mythic with a shit prydaz that never procc'd

[livid totem]

I had bracers last for my Unholy DK but it didn't stop me to get good parse

I feel people made it like it was a big issue when for the most majority of the crying babies they just found another thing to blame

Instead of their play.

[heavy chasm]

Yeah people dont like to get better

Just blame anything else haha

[livid totem]

I still feel like Legion was alt friendly, wasn't it ?

[undone sun]

it was

more so than currently

[livid totem]

I mean, that's the moment I started to up all my chars

Pre-legion you could level a char from 1 to 100 in like what ? 1 days ?

with the invasions

[sick sentinel]

legion pre-patch was something different

[heavy chasm]

Before the artifact knowledge shit

It was shitty even just alternate specs

[livid totem]

yep that's where I started to like playing multiples chars until I could find one I had fun with

[heavy chasm]

Never mind characters

[livid totem]

AP wasn't a big deal though

[heavy chasm]

It was at the start

During EN

[livid totem]

You could pretty much level it with next patch and be done with it

[heavy chasm]

Etc. It wasnt make or break but not having the gold traits etc sucked

[livid totem]

oh yeah

now that you mention it...

[heavy chasm]

If you compare 7.1 to 8.1. They both suck

But 8.1 is actually better

Wasnt till NH that legion took off

Which iirc was 7.2. ?

[undone sun]

still 7.0 7.1, with RTK

[livid totem]

dunno, don't remember every patch in Legion

[heavy chasm]

Ah yeah gotcha

[livid totem]

I feel bad for @exotic spoke though if he wants to play only 1 char >_<

I mean, how can we know if that's truely the char we'll like the most ?

[sick sentinel]

tbf

after playing prot warrior

even at 8.0 where nobody wanted him

whenever I was picking up a different class

[exotic spoke]

I’ve played it since vanilla

[sick sentinel]

all I was thinking was that I wanna go back to playing prot

[exotic spoke]

Sunk cost fallacy

[livid totem]

I still prefer the other tank or should I say, the fact that I like to have constant mitigations up x)

right now when I'm playing war I especially like Arms

But I must be the only one to like BfA's arms more instead of Legion T_T

I don't like the fact that after 3 SB and 1 LS I don't have anything to mitigate the next damage

[oblique garnet]

3 shield blocks?

and shield wall?

[sick sentinel]

after the last stand you have 3 more shield blocks

[livid totem]

well after 1 shield wall too

[sick sentinel]

and then you have shield wall

then 2 more shieldblocks

[oblique garnet]

after that you should have last stand up aswell

[sick sentinel]

that's almost a minute

^^

[oblique garnet]

or avatar for that matter

[sick sentinel]

that's almost 2 mins

actually

[livid totem]

Why complicate it when you could make it simpler like a BrM with IsB or BDK's boneshield ?

[sick sentinel]

that's not even an arguement

[lime mantle]

Why not play Bdk or Brm if you want constant mitigation 🤔

[sick sentinel]

you say that you can't do something

we tell you that you can

and then you ask why would do you do that

[torpid solstice]

In myth+ higher keys that will bite you in your ass

U gotta have the dmg to push

[livid totem]

You're right @sick sentinel I guess there's so many thing that's making me annoying when I compare it to the others tanks

[sick sentinel]

do you know why you wouldn't be a bdk with a boneshield? because instead of pressing more than one button ( like we do)

you have to kite

like a bdk

[livid totem]

The only good thing coming from Prot war is the damage from my PoV

[sick sentinel]

and not having to kite?

[lime mantle]

In said high m+ balance is utterly fucked so it’s not really an argument there, if you wanna do the highest possible performance there are sacrifices.
I don’t see body builders screaming they need to scurf down 4000kcal cleanly a day.

[sick sentinel]

even without our damage, we would still be better than a bdk, simply because we can tank 5 mobs for more than 10 seconds

[livid totem]

dunno, I don't play high keys so I don't have the right to argue x)

[sick sentinel]

you have absolutely 0 experience about keys where playing the game matters, you can't even hold a discussion

I really don't wanna be so aggressive to you or anything, I just can't stand people saying things that are just straight up wrong

[livid totem]

it's fair, I don't have enough experience with high keys to actually argue with anything

I'm talking about my pov about how to have fun with all the tanks classes for the casuals players

[lusty grotto]

whats going on johnny kaege

ugh bdks

smh

[sick sentinel]

not only bdks, brms as well

[lusty grotto]

ah well

[sick sentinel]

I tanked a +13 the second week my DH dinged 120

[livid totem]

hey leave BrM alone xD

[sick sentinel]

and it was fine

[lusty grotto]

i suppose its all relative to your enjoyment

but no touching my prot warrior

[sick sentinel]

literally anyone can play literally anything and tank a 15

[lime mantle]

“How to have fun”
I find fucking about with cryptographic algorithms and fixing cars at a semi professional degree very fun. I am sure most people don’t.
Fun is subjective.

[sick sentinel]

if he knows how to do the dungeon

I am not saying you can't have fun in lower keys

[sand egret]

prot is spicy today

[sick sentinel]

I am saying that using prot war's mitigation properly and just pressing ISB or being a BDK

and 2 completely different things

[lusty grotto]

i mean to be fair, you still have to try to have constant mitigation abilities on other tanks too

isb, bonemarrow/boneshield, sotr, ironfur

[lime mantle]

Low keys are fun in my not biased opinion because I can larp as a GOD who basically destroys everything in his glorious path while 3 dudes look at it amazed (one is afk).

[lusty grotto]

demon spikes

[livid totem]

I also have a problem with DHs too

[lusty grotto]

there's not a lot of difference between maintaining some type of block and any of those

[sick sentinel]

everyone else except prot warr rn is

use AM
run when AM is over

[lusty grotto]

the principle is the same

yeah

that much i agree on

[sick sentinel]

whereas prot is

Play properly
Kill the mobs

[sand egret]

basically every tank functions the same at a fundamental level if we wanna go that far

[sick sentinel]

you can tank a 15 with just weapon, shield and azerite gear

and no other items

[livid totem]

You don't have a lot of mitigation up for DHs or that I don't feel like I'm safe enough after I've used my 2 charges of demons spikes

[stiff oracle]

well thats just wrong lol @sick sentinel

[sand egret]

its been done doe 😦

[sick sentinel]

the +15 with no gear or the not having to kite @stiff oracle

[lusty grotto]

yeah raizou that's exactly what we're saying

[sand egret]

block is too strong imho

yeah i said it

[lusty grotto]

you shut your goddamn mouth blade

hand in your badge

youre on timeout for 2 mins

[stiff oracle]

a +15 with no gear is just another way of saying the tank got carried by his group lol

[sand egret]

coffee can be strong, doesnt mean I dont drink it

😃

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

it has been done

it's possible

[sand egret]

but block is busted

but thats not for this expac to fix

[fickle urchin]

i doubt you ll be doing much "tanking", in a 15 with just 5 items equipped.

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats the problem, its kind of how stagger defines a class

block defines ours

[lime mantle]

Or any Expac, with the success of classic it is only fair warriors get as compensation for past insults 3 expansions of only buffs.

[lusty grotto]

so making any sweeping changes on it would be... oof

[sand egret]

thing is block extends to both prots

[lusty grotto]

true except protadin can't block on demand but yeah

[sand egret]

it’s just that “more” reduction to a damage type so dangerous yet so prevelant

that the moment you push the dial

its have and have nots

[lusty grotto]

it's probably why they reduced magic mitigation across the board at 8.0

[tulip panther]

wtb wings on warrior and shieldblock on protadin

8.3 pls

[sand egret]

i will bet money next expansion the following happens:

[lusty grotto]

pls no blade

pls

stahp

[tulip panther]

monkaS

[lime mantle]

Warrior already has wings but better

[tulip panther]

WE DEMAND GLADIATOR STANCE \o>

[lime mantle]

WTB consecration for easy kites 😹

\o>

[tulip panther]

idk whats with the \o> but think it fits here

[lime mantle]

And shattering throw. And mass spell deflect.
And stamina buff.

[lusty grotto]

and reflective plating

☑

[tulip panther]

thorns pog

now blade cant top that

[lusty grotto]

except blade will say something

that will be true

[sand egret]

there’s going to be a shift in damage out put towards magical/non blockable stuff. tanks across the board will have a reactive component to magic damage. Encounters are also going to go in the direction of being more “controlled”

[lusty grotto]

because hes a secret dev

ahem, his "friend" is a secret dev

[tulip panther]

i know a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy cough

[lusty grotto]

except

[sand egret]

i dont know shit

[lusty grotto]

its true

[sand egret]

im just a guy

yellin at clouds

[tulip panther]

werent emerald nightmare mostly magical

[lime mantle]

It’s true blizzard doesn’t know VDH exists?

[lusty grotto]

🙃

[tulip panther]

altho Ignore Pain was dumb with vers

[lime mantle]

@tulip panther night hold

[lusty grotto]

ya NH

[tulip panther]

it was after the IP nerf tho 😢

[lusty grotto]

right that was an odd coincidence

[lime mantle]

IP also apparently scaled like crap but made shit healers upset in queue content because they didn’t need to heal prot wars.
When in dungeons any geared tank can solo them 😹

[lusty grotto]

but IP was way too strong anyway

[fickle urchin]

implying a bliz employee would ever communicate on anything but twitter.

[lusty grotto]

even after the nerf, IP was super strong paired with SB

[livid totem]

I really liked to rely more on IP than on SB

[lusty grotto]

UGH

🤢

[livid totem]

It was more in line with the other tanks

[lusty grotto]

fuck no

IP is different than any other type of mitigation as it ends when the damage is absorbed

whereas ANY other AM lasts until they fade

i'm glad IP got nerfed, i disliked IP spammers

[livid totem]

yeah I understand why you don't like it

[lusty grotto]

my point is, IP isn't in line at all with other AM abilities

[livid totem]

I mean, I was more in feel with that tankyness when you could spam IP instead of SB

[sand egret]

TFW IP is being called a "mitigation" ability at all...

[lusty grotto]

it's not even a close replacement, its just a pw:shield capped at 50% dr for each hit right now

you still had to use SB in legion............................

[sand egret]

IP is not mitigation. The damgae isn't mitigated. It's being redistributed in a different way

that is smoothing

[lusty grotto]

any warrior that didn't got absolutely fucking wrecked in KJ

[livid totem]

The fact is that

[sand egret]

IP is akin to stagger

[lusty grotto]

even in legion we made sure people here were using SB

[livid totem]

BrM had isb they could spam, same with BdK and Bone shield, same with Guardians druid and Ironfur

[sand egret]

stagger uses your HP pool as the "cap". IP is something you fuel via a resource

[lusty grotto]

because IP was never made to replace it

ok let me stop you right there

[livid totem]

I liked IP with prot war

[lusty grotto]

you don't "spam" them

CDs, resource costs, etc

those things are not spammable

same as SB

[sand egret]

needing to keep them up all the time =/= spam

that's "maintain"

[livid totem]

you could spam them as long as you weren't idling

[lusty grotto]

saying you need to spam AM, kinda screams bad play

tbh

[livid totem]

you're taking it too far maybe ? :p

[sand egret]

"too far" is Nim's middle name

[lusty grotto]

it kinda does

[livid totem]

Obviously I don't mean spamming them like every GCD but that you could literally have them an infinite number of time

[sand egret]

Nimchip "Too Far" Boyardee

[lusty grotto]

well that would be plain boring

why even have them at all, just make them passive

[sick sentinel]

^^

[livid totem]

yeah I can understand that.

[sick sentinel]

imagine having to play the game

and use your brain

[sand egret]

well if you take a step back

what is the function of actually "tanking"

and what is enjoyable

etc.

[lusty grotto]

keeping threat and mitigating damage

since day 1

[sand egret]

that's one way to slice it, I just think they're going to look to alter that view a tad in how we do that going forward

[lusty grotto]

i don't think they should

small changes are good

[sand egret]

you can't really say should / shouldn't unless you know what the options are

as you simply don't know what's on the table

[lusty grotto]

but blizzard's track record with changes like that (remember when battleshout became a buff, then got removed, then got put back in?)

[sand egret]

that's very different than what i'm talking about

and that's not even the same track record

[lusty grotto]

a vast majority of blizzard's sweeping changes end up being put back in

is my point

remember bring the player not the class?

rip

[sand egret]

i mean you say that

then you go on rants about players doing +15s with any tank yada

[lusty grotto]

i know you're gonna say their iterative process and shit

[sand egret]

right now

outside of some bullshit encounters

it's actually pretty flexible

[lusty grotto]

i honestly would like other tanks to be good on base of being tanks and not their utility

[sand egret]

class buffs aside

(cuz that confuses me too..._

[lusty grotto]

yeah heh

[livid totem]

just give more APM for all tanks classes, please ?

[sand egret]

class "balance" is actually pretty solid

[lusty grotto]

if you take the average guy content, i suppose you're kinda right

[sick sentinel]

@livid totem technically, prot warr, VDH and BRM are on the top 6 highest APM rn

[sand egret]

average content is what you have to look at, tbh

[lusty grotto]

yeah i know

[sand egret]

because you can't balance hollistically around extremes

there's always going to be the "mdi strat"

the question is how much does it strangle the space.

[livid totem]

Prot war ok, but VDH ?!?

What ?

How ?

[oblique garnet]

Yeah vdh is fairly fast paced class

[sand egret]

I personally like higher APM specs, but I'd rather have my actions stay the same but mean more

[lusty grotto]

yep

[sand egret]

like shield block, right now, doesn't mean much to me

[sand egret]

it's a thing i just need up

[lusty grotto]

high apm is good, but if you're filling actions with some retarded 1 ability spam, i hate it

[sick sentinel]

literally all tanks except bdk

[livid totem]

the f.ck ?

[astral crystal]

DK is like 10 APH

[livid totem]

I can't understand how can DHs have more APM than say, BDK

[lusty grotto]

have you played one?

[sick sentinel]

DHs are literally GCD locked

like

[livid totem]

I'm an altoholic

[sand egret]

DH's are soooo crowded

[livid totem]

I play all tanks and all healers

[sand egret]

in like a bad way

[livid totem]

I just don't have mage and hunter to max level

[sand egret]

leap slam as a rotational component 😦

[oblique garnet]

Bdk is really slow pace

[sick sentinel]

when I play VDH the problem I have is that I have too many buttons to press and not enough GCD

[sand egret]

BDK is super methodical

comparatively

[lusty grotto]

bdk is kinda locked behind their rune shit though

[sand egret]

yep

[sick sentinel]

and haste is like their best stat

[lusty grotto]

to be fair

[gaunt dawn]

You realise that apm for veng dh assumes you're using glaive between each fracture?

[livid totem]

It's literally the easiest tank to play imo

[sick sentinel]

glave is still better than not pressing anything

[livid totem]

especially if you have an addon like compact runes

[oblique garnet]

🤔

Tank easier than brm?

[gaunt dawn]

Ye, but 95% of veng dh dont do that

[livid totem]

bdk ?

yes.

but I guess to each their own

[sick sentinel]

and what do they do, don't use anything?

[sand egret]

97.43%, actually

[lusty grotto]

brm is easier, you just have more shit to press

[sand egret]

get yo facts right Panth

[gaunt dawn]

They just wait

Frac frac bomb

[sick sentinel]

why though

[gaunt dawn]

Instead of frac glaive frac glaive bomb

[sick sentinel]

why have an empty GCD when you can press something that does damage

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[gaunt dawn]

Most people who tank aren't good at the game

[lusty grotto]

why do people spam IP?

they just do

[sand egret]

a lot of players don't get the concept that doing something > doing nothing a lot of the time.

[lusty grotto]

:p

[sick sentinel]

well if the arguement is that they are bad

[oblique garnet]

Most people who play the game arent very good*(its a joke)

[sick sentinel]

I do not take that as a valid arguement

I'm sorry

[livid totem]

I must be playing it wrong then, because I don't have time to use glaive

[gaunt dawn]

Let me tell you of a tale of a prot warrior in my key last week

[sick sentinel]

like, it's really not that hard

[sand egret]

with enough haste it's less glaives

[lusty grotto]

well look kaege, you're kinda asking about player psychology

[gaunt dawn]

They had more uptime on shield wall than shield block

[livid totem]

most of the time I always have 2 frac if not, i just had to wait like a semi GCD

[astral crystal]

🤔

[oblique garnet]

Hey panthea i had one of those aswell

[sand egret]

that semi gcd is the glaive btw

[oblique garnet]

19% uptime on sb in 17 wcm

[sick sentinel]

I care about playing properly, I don't care what other players do

[lusty grotto]

hmmm...

[gaunt dawn]

Those semi gcd add up

[sand egret]

that semi gcd is what i meant by something > nothing

[sick sentinel]

if I can do it by myself

[livid totem]

fair enough

[sick sentinel]

like, literally just picking up the spec and playing it

[sand egret]

that's what "filler" skills are

[livid totem]

gotta try it

[sand egret]

😃

[sick sentinel]

for 2-3 days

then a guy who mains the fucking thing should figure it out

[gaunt dawn]

I've watched streams

[sick sentinel]

eventually

[gaunt dawn]

Of top 20 tanks

[lusty grotto]

trust me we all agree with you kaege hehe

[gaunt dawn]

Not using glaive

🙂

[sick sentinel]

I guess not top 20 vdhs

[gaunt dawn]

Top 20 world guilds

[sick sentinel]

because I don't know if there are more than 20 people that play vdh

[gaunt dawn]

Top 20 veng dh is like world 150

[lusty grotto]

the average joe simply doesn't care about playing to 100% of the class, they just care about playing

[livid totem]

that's the truth

[sand egret]

80% effort gets you 90% there

[sick sentinel]

20% effort takes you 80% there tbh

[sand egret]

prob more true

[lusty grotto]

60% of the time, every time

[gaunt dawn]

Doing the class trial takes you most the way

[lusty grotto]

sex panther

[sand egret]

I just started playing my flashlight bro

i have no idea what i'm doing

but i'm still pulling at the same pace

[lusty grotto]

oh man

thanks for reminding me

todays the day

for chipadin to become glimmerdin

[sand egret]

ugh

UGH

[lusty grotto]

i believe the azerite gods will get me a glimmer hat

[sand egret]

glimmerdins....

[lusty grotto]

👊

[sand egret]

i didn't know that was even a thing until last week

when I had some twat start going on about it

[sick sentinel]

on the plate vectis run

[lusty grotto]

bro good glimmerdins are amazing

[sand egret]

he was SO bad

[sick sentinel]

after intemission

the holy paladin had like 18 glimmers up

[lusty grotto]

^

[sand egret]

does it work in KEYS?

[lusty grotto]

i actually didnt know it was a thing

either

until like 3 weeks ago

[gaunt dawn]

It's not good for m+

[lusty grotto]

i played shockadin only

[sand egret]

wlel there we go

it was pain and suffering

[lusty grotto]

its good for keys

[livid totem]

Not good for m+ ? 😦

[gaunt dawn]

What's the damage profile of a key

Its burst

[livid totem]

I thought it was because of how easy it is to put "atonement" up on all the group for the entire run

[lusty grotto]

blade if the guy didn't have 3x glimmer of light, he wasn't built for it

[sand egret]

i dunno wtf he had

[gaunt dawn]

It's not consistent trickle damage

[sand egret]

i just know that I was strugglin

[lusty grotto]

he probably didn't have the traits or the haste

[sand egret]

in a place i should not have been

[lusty grotto]

i carried one on a 16 UR last week

had 1x Glimmer

[sick sentinel]

the guy had like solid 50k HPS through the whole fight

[lusty grotto]

did the most shitty fucking healing ever

inspected him, he had the talents and everything, just not the complete build

you need to change your shit from crit to haste, and have 3x glimmer pretty much

[oblique garnet]

Its not too bad for keys but wont be strong enough to beat resto druids

[lusty grotto]

sure

[potent anvil]

I healed with 3x glimmer last week. Pretty fun. You can compete in ST boss fights.

[sick sentinel]

I saw a

[lusty grotto]

good glimmerdins though, you can tell

[livid totem]

just replace atonement with glider and you're good to go !

[sand egret]

glimmerdin's are basically just melee dps that are healing right?

[potent anvil]

Ended with like 18k dps on first boss fh. Granted it was a 17 lol

[lusty grotto]

same as shockadin

[sand egret]

since they just smack smack with CS to reduce that cooldown?

[lusty grotto]

just spam the shit out of crusader strike to reduce holy shock cd

[sand egret]

i could actually get behind healing doing that

[lusty grotto]

except you put shock on everyone in the group

and then every time you shock, you heal those affected

[livid totem]

that's it, it's fun to play

[sick sentinel]

you should be in melee range as a hpal anyway

most of the time

[lusty grotto]

yup

[livid totem]

it's like disc

[lusty grotto]

due to mastery

[oblique garnet]

Its also the best raid healer

[potent anvil]

Yeah for the most part you glimmer everyone and constantly heal with glimmer and light of dawn

[sand egret]

standing in melee range =/= having to smack smack constantly 😃

[lusty grotto]

pfft blade

[sick sentinel]

dude our holy pala blasts in the raid

[lusty grotto]

we were just talking about glaives

:p

[sick sentinel]

like his healing is absolutely insane

and his tank healing is also very good

[potent anvil]

But when ppl start taking dmg, have to flash of light 😡

[sand egret]

it's basically super Atonement right?

[lusty grotto]

get blessed with back to back shock procs

np np

[sick sentinel]

last raid I was hanging out on the discord after the raid was over and the moment he left and it was just 3-4 guys + the officers they started praising him lmao

[oblique garnet]

Saw some logs from uunat last week where glimmer pally held avg 55k hps over 30ish wipes

[gaunt dawn]

If you play it well, you pump

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much

[gaunt dawn]

But gotta look at your healer team to see if it's worth with the setup

[wicked ridge]

pumping doesn't always mean efficient useful healing tho, don't get tricked by meters

[gaunt dawn]

For ex if you have resto druid and mw monk

Holy paladin value goes down

[lusty grotto]

we get that

glimmer might also overheal a shitton

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/arAVTPyNhjc1KH7D#fight=3&playermetric=hps&source=19&type=healing

it was a 100% log at the time

[gaunt dawn]

But that's down to your healing officer / raid leader to figure out

[sick sentinel]

48% overheal from glimmer

[lusty grotto]

yup

that's to be expected

[gaunt dawn]

How do you spend that long on blockade 👀

[sick sentinel]

oh he has a 49k hps log as well

in stormwall

6:25 this time

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1LVtwAdzYP4mTCb2#fight=7&type=healing&source=15

it was march 14

the first log

second log is may 13

[lusty grotto]

well

hes aura of mercy too

aura mastery has a lot of added hps

[gaunt dawn]

Priest died

Using mercy like a padder

Other healers aren't doing much

Nice log

[sick sentinel]

look, idk how to holy paladin, I have never played a paladin ever lmao

I just watch people do it

[lusty grotto]

at this point it doesn't matter if its padding i guess

[gaunt dawn]

I mean

Theres a bigger issue

[lusty grotto]

but yeah its a good playstyle

[gaunt dawn]

The other healers

[lusty grotto]

fun

[gaunt dawn]

🙂

[sick sentinel]

we have been recruiting healers like crazy

we can't find good ones

[gaunt dawn]

Maybe invest in your current instead

Show them how to play

[sick sentinel]

the holy priest that ** refuses ** to play disc?

or like

[gaunt dawn]

And?

Disc is shit to play

[sick sentinel]

we want to do crucible though

[gaunt dawn]

Then you need at least 1

[sick sentinel]

we had a very good resto shaman but he had to quit the game

[lusty grotto]

well at least keep that paladin lol, those are kinda padded logs but he clearly knows what hes doing

[gaunt dawn]

I mean

Not using Devo is a big yikes

[sick sentinel]

one of the best healers in the guild is a boomie main

[lusty grotto]

yeah except devo

and his mercy pick

[wicked ridge]

yeah logs without devo = dude cares about parsing

big yikes as a healer

[lusty grotto]

if they're on farm

it doesnt matter

[gaunt dawn]

Mitigate 200 damage (doesnt show on logs) or heal 10

You decide

[wicked ridge]

doesn't matter if it's on farm, still braindead to use mercy

[sick sentinel]

we kill blockade in like 2 pulls anyhow

[lusty grotto]

i mean it's an easy fight for them

so why bother anyway

[sick sentinel]

might as well get good logs

[wicked ridge]

oof

[gaunt dawn]

Fabricated good logs

🙂

[lusty grotto]

i wouldn't say its a big yikes... progression logs though

which include that march one

[gaunt dawn]

Gotta get good logs 😡

[exotic spoke]

The best parses are usually “fabricated” or “cheesed”.

[lusty grotto]

[gaunt dawn]

@exotic spoke false

[exotic spoke]

How do?

So*

[lusty grotto]

high ranked ones

sure

[gaunt dawn]

You gotta look into every log you're interested in, instead of using a bullshit sweeping statement like that

[wicked ridge]

majority of logs at this point in a tier

fall into the category

[gaunt dawn]

Not really

[exotic spoke]

I don’t have to. It is a generalization sure. But in general - once it’s on farm it’s fucking cheese mode

[gaunt dawn]

How do you cheese fights

[wicked ridge]

well you can look at every hpal log and everyone that is using mercy isn't playing for the raid, they're playing for orange

[gaunt dawn]

You can get orange as devo

Easily

Just gotta have shit healers or underheal

[exotic spoke]

You use things like mercy instead of devo. You Zerg. You under heal (1-3 instead of 4).

And I guarantee you you’ll get a better parse if you mercy

[gaunt dawn]

Under healing isnt cheesing

Its playing well

[exotic spoke]

It’s fabricating the logs which was a term you use

[gaunt dawn]

Distinct difference there

[exotic spoke]

Not really

[lusty grotto]

He means less healers by under heal

[exotic spoke]

Is it the fight under normal conditions?

No? Then it’s fabricated / cheesed for the purposes of parses

[wicked ridge]

41% overheal 51% glimmer overheal with a devo, not playing for parse btw

xd