protection

[tulip panther]

biggest problem was to switch all my hotkeys one slot to the right 😢

[sick sentinel]

Devastator is very good, ppl don't realise its defensive value because they look at uptimes and rpm. Devastator for example is often picked on jaina because you can save DS for higher ice shard stacks without losing value. Having DS uptime on higher dtps portions is much more value than uptime on low dtps or no dtps when you're not active tanking the boss. Deva also provides the best dps on 7/9 bosses in BoD, could even make a case for 8/9 and maybe even 9/9.

BV performs better defensively when you experience consistent dmg and are always tanking the boss, or when you are facing multiple enemies. Higher uptime is more valuable in those situations... plus you would do more dps most likely.

[undone sun]

it's better defensively regardless

BV that is

[tulip panther]

go sleep thyme 😡

[undone sun]

it's 830pm

[oblique garnet]

except jaina hardly does any damage

You take it for the damage

[sick sentinel]

Jaina does hit hard, probably the only hard hitting boss in BoD

[undone sun]

DS definitely isn't something i'd bet my life on either for defensive

[oblique garnet]

jaina doesnt really hit hard

[undone sun]

4.6k dtps

nice

[oblique garnet]

The chilling touch does more damage than ice shards

from mythic kill

out of all the bosses in bod conclave probably does most tank damage

[sick sentinel]

Smh, obv the the dmg from jaina is low overall cuz you don't tank her all the time and there are intermissions etc. Chilling touch is always present which is why it deals more dmg to you over the course of the fight. Also you chilling touch dmg is pretty high, how long was the kill.

[undone sun]

it's low damage because it's blockable

[sick sentinel]

Can use SR on chilling touch and clear it anyway, jaina dmg ramps up high for short periods of time

[oblique garnet]

8 minutes

[sick sentinel]

quite a lot of dmg for an 8 minute kill

[oblique garnet]

Yeah because we got alot of stacks from heart of frost during intermission

[sick sentinel]

Regardless, it does lots of dmg because its present throughout the fight and jaina does spikes of high dmg when u actually tank her... which is why you will want to have DS ready for those instances

[oblique garnet]

But to say it has the most tank damage out of bod is just not true

[sick sentinel]

Also I meant jaina as a whole boss, jaina hits hard in P3 with the elemental and stacks etc

[oblique garnet]

Are you not killing the elemental?

It makes the last phase into a joke

[sick sentinel]

Yeah for those who haven't killed it before, complicates things for us as we killed well before the changes

Decided to keep things the same

[oblique garnet]

I mean we killed it before the changes aswell but its just so much easier to do with killing of the elemental

But i guess it makes no difference which way you do it as long as the boss dies 🤷

[sick sentinel]

Is there anything different from heroic and mythic tanking

[oblique garnet]

More mechanics more damage

[sick sentinel]

What mechanic differences are there

[undone sun]

depends on the boss

mostly just more of

[sick sentinel]

The only thing I can think of is mekka storm and jaina

are the rest just more damage

[undone sun]

tanknotes.tk

[lusty grotto]

tried to experiment

double pull Witch doctors on KR

with ele

ele didn't last 2 seconds

even with interrupts

ele + lust

literally got deleted

[tulip panther]

interrupts 😡

[lusty grotto]

ele said fuck this im out

also

that guy was right

queen patla was hitting for 80k after block lmao

gottacheck the log

[tulip panther]

even mass reflect would not save the ele PepeHands

[oblique garnet]

Yes ele will die quickly if its not healed

And most pug healers never heal ele

[lusty grotto]

ah well

our healer was the only pug

lmao

[oblique garnet]

But yeah at most ele can on normal packs take about 10-30 seconds of breathing room

[lusty grotto]

never running KR fort+teeming again though

fuck that shit

there's no other way to say it lol

im gonna need some preparation H for my butt

[oblique garnet]

Pack after 2nd boss?

[outer dew]

I bitch whenever I see an ele

Because I need to turn on pet frames

[lusty grotto]

listen late

we did ele after 2nd boss with lust

it went as well as you could expect

2 hits ele dead

wipe

[oblique garnet]

Was he playing with primal elementalist?

[lusty grotto]

lmao

casual max 99k 92k hit with block

[mortal scaffold]

Hey guys should i run two Deafening Crash traits or 1 DC and 1 Iron Fortress?

[lusty grotto]

depends on what you need @mortal scaffold... if you are not pushing keys 2DC is excellent dmg, but if you need to be a bit defensive to push keys go IF

[mortal scaffold]

i just realised i can run 3 DC

[lusty grotto]

what in the goddamn fuck lmao

3 DC is only good if you're not taking a shitton of damage pushing keys

it's great damage but certainly not adviceable for high keys unless you feel like you can manage it

i just realized i didn't have IP up for those, but holy shit

[mortal brook]

wow

KR's not my fav for teeming

[lusty grotto]

btw that was an 18

[willow scarab]

3x dc is encouraged for super high keys as it helps you make timer

not encouraged if you're dying but you shouldn't be trying to do high keys if you can't live using your kit

[oblique garnet]

Imo getting meticulous scheming over 3x dc stack in high keys benefits more

[ionic fern]

Play w/e in that situation difference is pretty minimal and won't make or break anything over your own play.

Even in 22+ keys you can run triple DC if you want and still not have problems surviving. Physical damage is a joke as it is(regardless of traits) for us and we don't have any really strong magic mitigation traits anyways so that is and always will be your weak point.

[mortal brook]

mwahi just gave permission to stack leech! play w/e in that situation

[ionic fern]

No leech.

[mortal brook]

but

[ionic fern]

No

.

[mortal brook]

3x bs, 3x blood siphon

[ionic fern]

3x triggered.

[mortal brook]

🤣

[undone sun]

🗞

[mortal brook]

[lusty grotto]

but mwahi

wat do @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

What's the problem there?

🤔

[mortal brook]

only need 46k hps from the healer,

sustained

[lusty grotto]

true true

[ionic fern]

46k sustained is not a lot on higher keys

Healers are putting out 60k+ sustained on some pulls

[lusty grotto]

i was trying for the benefit of the doubt on that pug heals

i gotta look at the log more carefully i suppose

[ionic fern]

Was it 21 or 22?

[lusty grotto]

18

[mortal brook]

18!

[ionic fern]

😂

[lusty grotto]

im not a big boy

[ionic fern]

Did thet buff her?

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

[mortal brook]

she's always pumped on fort

shoot big dmg

[lusty grotto]

no but

i think you may be right

cause it definitely felt like healing wasn't happening on some parts that i recall

[ionic fern]

That was on 20 Fort.

😂

[lusty grotto]

well no blocks on the first one

[mortal brook]

7k i sleep. 147k WOKE

[lusty grotto]

HMM

that's weird

[ionic fern]

First one was legit 0 mitigation

[lusty grotto]

14k hits wtf

[ionic fern]

😂

[lusty grotto]

hold on something is fishy here

[mortal brook]

must have an indestructible shield

[lusty grotto]

what in the hell

hmm...

[ionic fern]

Spamming like ehell with pictures.

[mortal brook]

you have ava up on yours?

[lusty grotto]

ya there's a part i had ava up

[ionic fern]

That's the whole duration

[mortal brook]

bfi value?

[ionic fern]

I do have 1 BfI jeah

[lusty grotto]

block value? i have a 415 shield though

[ionic fern]

3xBoM/2xDC/1xBfI

[mortal brook]

is that not a bloodsport?

[ionic fern]

Nope.

I got 415 shield also.

[lusty grotto]

no the damage is clearly higher on mine though

which is def weird

[mortal brook]

squint

[ionic fern]

Jeah, hence why i asked if they buffed her.

[lusty grotto]

i mean it would appear so

unless there's some npc interaction that i don't know about

like a buff she gains or whatever

[ionic fern]

Not that i know of-

[mortal brook]

yeah, raw does look average higher from your 18

weird

[lusty grotto]

the log doesn't have any buffs

what about shoot? is there anything about it that might increase the damage?

[oblique garnet]

No they have not buffed the queen

And no theres no buff other than raging

[mortal brook]

just the rng of the shot dmg

[ionic fern]

Just gotta git gud Nim.

[lusty grotto]

shit man

[ionic fern]

😄

[lusty grotto]

i mean my minimum hit was 9k

[ionic fern]

Knowing Blizz i wouldn't be surprised if they stealth buffed something without announcing it.

[lusty grotto]

but 91k and 92k holy shit

[ionic fern]

Not the first time they'd done it.

[lusty grotto]

and back to back actually

[oblique garnet]

Crit block rng? I guess

[lusty grotto]

i mean mwahi has some regular non crit blocks still hitting for sub 20k

[mortal brook]

the raws are averaging higher from the 18 to the 20. could just be lots of rng from the ability

[lusty grotto]

yeah i suppose that's the only explanation

but

that reminded me of a guy earlier this week

[mortal brook]

also mwahi is Stormforged so i mean

[lusty grotto]

that was mentioning it

that's true steve haha

[ionic fern]

Jeah, SF gets secret buffs in game confirmed.

[lusty grotto]

😄

[undone sun]

🤣

[mortal brook]

does Late know?

[undone sun]

can confirm

[oblique garnet]

Yeah ive secretly been stormforged all along thats why my claps hit harder than most

[ionic fern]

^

[mortal brook]

👏

[young marlin]

Wahhhh

[lusty grotto]

dave chappelle meme hey.. umm y'all got any of those buffs? is it the 5 o' clock free buff giveaway?

[young marlin]

The power

[oblique garnet]

Im honestly curious as to what could change the damage from the queen in 18 to do more than on 20 with equal gear

[mortal brook]

mwahi's was this week right? so still fortified?

[ionic fern]

Not this week but a fortified week

Fort-Bolster-Skittish

[lusty grotto]

if i had to guess i'd say i'm fucking up, but it was 100% block and i was using demoshout on cd anyway

plus avatar on part of it

[oblique garnet]

Str difference maybe🤔

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[mortal brook]

wouldnt affect the raws

bfi's not THAT significant, is it?

[lusty grotto]

perhaps it is

bfi stacks with itself

[mortal brook]

yah

[oblique garnet]

How much block value one 420 bfi is @ionic fern

[lusty grotto]

i mean my reg block amounts are kinda similar

40 to 50k just about with a low of 22k

[ionic fern]

That Raw is all over the place tho..i checked a 21 Tyrannical and it's a raw o 587k randomly while others are 200-300k. 😂

[mortal brook]

so just shoot rng then?

[ionic fern]

Not at home right now so can't check and can't remember by heart.

😦

[mortal brook]

shoot rng is less of a mystery

[lusty grotto]

im guessing none of you have ran KR this week? just to take that out of the picture?

[mortal brook]

I avoid it on teeming week 🤣

[stoic pilot]

Random noob question, with the trait Bloodsport does it provide additional upfront ignore pain absorb or does it increase the overall cap it can absorb?

[lusty grotto]

i should as well

[warm plinth]

Both

[stoic pilot]

Also we're running a 21 KR tomorrow

[lusty grotto]

ok can you log it @stoic pilot

[mortal brook]

both, but its not super strong even so

[stoic pilot]

Yeah I was just curious so I knew how it actually worked

[lusty grotto]

and let us see the damage you take from Queen Patlaa

[warm plinth]

Any increase to IP, even temporary, will also increase your cap

[stoic pilot]

@lusty grotto yeah sure probably going to be scuffed

[lusty grotto]

hey man! i believe

[ionic fern]

Can't be as scuffed as our SOTS 24 tonight is going to be.

😂

[oblique garnet]

I could probably pug like 18-19 but its a gamble if we will reach the room

[mortal brook]

wow. success rates of 20+ KRs this week. heck

[lusty grotto]

wdym, you pulling big on 1st boss room?

[ionic fern]

Ofc

[oblique garnet]

No

[stoic pilot]

😂

[ionic fern]

Pull 2 packs

ANd lust

👌

[lusty grotto]

i did that

with ele

[undone sun]

0% KR 🤣

[lusty grotto]

RIP us

[mortal brook]

ML 1%

[oblique garnet]

Its the first boss that is a problem on pugs

[mortal brook]

TD 70%??

[undone sun]

shrine?

[mortal brook]

good design

[lusty grotto]

fuckkkk i need an ML this week

[mortal brook]

20+ this week

[undone sun]

🤣

[ionic fern]

We did TD 23 yesterday and had like 18 deaths with pugs and still timed it.

😂

[oblique garnet]

TD is a joke

[mortal brook]

15+ a little better

[oblique garnet]

Mwahi you have to be insane to step into teeming fort shrine though

[lusty grotto]

WTF KR is higher than ML

[ionic fern]

Jeah..we are planning on just doing it for the next weeks 23's.

[oblique garnet]

You need to kill 15% extra if you want to avoid the minibosses

[lusty grotto]

yuck

fuck shrine this week then

[ionic fern]

So probably Bwomsandi from the start. 😄

[mortal brook]

ML teming you gotta pull like straight 6 more packs than non-teeming. KR teeming is just like, 5 total mobs extra

[oblique garnet]

Same with ML

Its 15% extra trash

[lusty grotto]

yeah fuck ML on teeming just because of %

[oblique garnet]

In motherlode which is already extremely trash heavy

[mortal brook]

those 5 total mobs suck ass but still

[stoic pilot]

I'm just so ready for next week

So tired of this weeks affixes

[lusty grotto]

last time i did ML with teeming...

i pulled the entire fucking donut

start

[mortal brook]

what a boss

[warm plinth]

Still not 100%

lul

[lusty grotto]

and the standard to 2nd boss

and we still had to pull halfway of the way to last boss

[mortal brook]

basically just gotta do the standard donut then grab everything before 2nd boss

[lusty grotto]

man i just hate the drillers in that part

[mortal brook]

with the avoidable frontal?

[oblique garnet]

The drillers are free count

[lusty grotto]

but i guess they are easier than R&D

[mortal brook]

eww. rnd. cant remember the last time i did that trash

[lusty grotto]

its just that since nobody does them ever, people don't know what to expect

[mortal brook]

all perfectly lined up for the force cannons lol

[lusty grotto]

but i guess that's inevitable

lmao

like the typical pug rdruid that doesn't know he can stealth through right side R&D

and then gets blown to shit by the dude practicing force cannon

[oblique garnet]

They cant do that alone they need a sap

[lusty grotto]

ya

[mortal brook]

ever consider we're kinda assholes for even going to ML? like, the first section is just dudes trying to vacation. 2nd area is guys trying to get through their day job. 3rd is a buncha nerds and we're crashing their nerd-ville =/

[lusty grotto]

lol

[mortal brook]

like, are we the baddies?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[ionic fern]

We always are.

[oblique garnet]

We burned a tree

[lusty grotto]

if i could i would baddy the shit out of ML

[ionic fern]

I diddnt burn a tree.

[lusty grotto]

screw your vacation, your dungeon sucks

[oblique garnet]

Mwahi dont lie you made a horde character so you both burned the tree and didnt

[mortal brook]

then like, basically everyone in Shrine is just loyal to their house, or invested in shipping.

[oblique garnet]

Shrödingers tree

[lusty grotto]

lol steve

[ionic fern]

Slaying Argus one moment...struggling to kill random mobs on vacation the other...

[lusty grotto]

youve had time to think about this haven't you

[mortal brook]

yes

[lusty grotto]

i mean why didn't they just ship the whole ML dungeon to argus

[ionic fern]

I do have a horde druid tbh..boost me @oblique garnet

[lusty grotto]

fuck sake

could have killed him in 0.2 seconds

with lust

0.3 without

[oblique garnet]

Sure mwahi what do you need?

[mortal brook]

don't get me started on Mechagon. buncha rusty non-conformers taking out all the shiny and chromes

[ionic fern]

Everything. I can provide treants tho.👌

[mortal brook]

treants are bae

unless hot trub goes live in which case

[oblique garnet]

Now how scuffed is this druid?

Also its not worth running trees on boomkin anymore

[mortal brook]

D:

okay, triple thorns meta next season 🤣

[lusty grotto]

trees this week are like small speed bumps

don't even feel them tbh

[ionic fern]

On a scale of Tyrande trying to kill Nathanos to Malfurion wrecking orcs...sub Tyrande.

[lusty grotto]

HERE GOES THE TREE AMIGOS RIP

[ionic fern]

😂

[mortal brook]

bless

[lusty grotto]

hmm that's a quality alt

[mortal brook]

hit 120 on the brm couple hours ago and im past that O.o

[lusty grotto]

prime for some 15s

[oblique garnet]

Uhh

[lusty grotto]

lol

[warm plinth]

Did you level up your neck yet? lol

[mortal brook]

neck like, 22...

D:

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i can help you out maybe

[lusty grotto]

oh shit

uhh

please don't look at my alts, i swear their necks are bugged

[ionic fern]

Haha,don't stress about it Late,i rarely touch the druid.:D

[oblique garnet]

Ah so its the same as my mage

[mortal brook]

so much catchup mechanics, especially going into 8.2, doesn't super matter

[ionic fern]

😂

[oblique garnet]

Stuck on 340👌🏻

[mortal brook]

anything can be raid ready within a week

[lusty grotto]

i couldn't even write that correctly

upon the realization

[oblique garnet]

I wanted to gear up my mage so i could blast arcane on pvp

Too much effort tbh

[lusty grotto]

all i know is chipadin will be glimmerdin ready next week

[mortal brook]

wow

[lusty grotto]

👌

[mortal brook]

✨

[lusty grotto]

and of course the azerite rng will fuck me over and not happen

[oblique garnet]

Just pug the first 3 bosses on mythic

You get pretty much bis pieces for glimmerpally

[lusty grotto]

ya ive been doing that

and by 3 bosses i mean champs because NA

😄

[mortal brook]

next raid super convenient. first two bosses have sword/shield

need that axe tho

[oblique garnet]

I want new content

[warm plinth]

On NA Alliance, we think about doing 1st boss, but then curl up and cry in a corner

[oblique garnet]

Gotta grind that nazjatar

[lusty grotto]

its not just alliance ghash lol

[warm plinth]

At least on horde, more of you have enough hope to think about it though 😂

[lusty grotto]

lmao i guess

[ionic fern]

Ever tried getting pug's into a +20 on alliance side?

Near impossible

[lusty grotto]

on NA? its hard enough getting them for 10 to 15

2 hour wait for tanks

[lusty grotto]

and all that queue are sub 1ks which btw leave as soon as something goes wrong

boosted?

oh

LMAO

yeah

that happens to nimchy too

[ionic fern]

👌

[lusty grotto]

also the classic achievement link which they obviously don't have

[tulip panther]

8/9 heroic PepeLaugh

[spice ferry]

i really love how raider.io shows their raid prog

and they still link mythic stuff

yet cbf linking to their main. screams fake achieves

[unborn island]

I'm 6/9 heroic :), what is Jaina?

[tulip panther]

idk, had 1.8k fury with 415ilvl on my +11 atal yday, man didnt kick shit, ninjapulled etc 😢

but then again... fury warriur

[old zephyr]

Big score un low key are usually just there for mêmes or nobrain chest

[oblique garnet]

Or farming a mount

[old zephyr]

Or maybe6he was farming rezan, but I don't know why he would

[tulip panther]

how much you average if you do all mythics for weekly on +12

[old zephyr]

No lounts in ad

[spice ferry]

you mean like score?

[tulip panther]

yea

[oblique garnet]

1.3k ish

[spice ferry]

probably 1200ish

1.2-1.3

[tulip panther]

so he had done more than jsut "weeklys" then

could'v been mains score too 🤔 . mby im judging him wrongfully

[spice ferry]

at this point you could easily have 1.2-1.3 if youre just doing a weekly with guildies who actually do push keys

my co-tank gets a 14/15 key everyweek for his one and only key

[tulip panther]

but, when a shadowpriest tops you off on kicks, idk if you are memeing or not, please no 😡

[unborn island]

Idk, did a FH17 last week, Boomkin was 1.1k and it was his key, did 12k overall

[oblique garnet]

Seems appropriate for a boomkin

[unborn island]

And I'm like, Oh wow I got a 17/18 key and it's ALWAYS Motherlode/Shrine/KR >.<

[tulip panther]

it was the ... 4 weeksago wich was the "free week", and might'v decayed the key from it

[old zephyr]

Boomkin I usually run with is more like 24k dps

[tulip panther]

but if hees a care-taker role as a main, no bully

or a guardian...its hard to adapt to balance after that :<

[old zephyr]

How can you only have 1k1 if you have à 17 key ?
Hit boosted during à 2h long 18 or smth ?

[tulip panther]

we did like 22 few weeks back with one afking in time

could'v gotten the same type of boost

and decayed the key week by week

i still have like 18ish key on my 360 guardian from that week

[spice ferry]

that sounds like such an unenjoyable way to spend your time

doing a 21 deplete all the way down to like a 10 week by week lol

[unborn island]

@old zephyr that's what I didn't understand.

[tulip panther]

well, he doenst need to do "high" keys for the rest of the season

he can always use his own decaying key to get weekly done

[old zephyr]

Unless People leave Because he's bad

[unborn island]

The rest were good

He wiped us on Harlan by ass pulling the pack in the back

When boss was on 3%

And we missed timer by 5s

[tulip panther]

i'v noticed that its always the Druids that ninjapull that pack back there

[old zephyr]

But It's free hold

[unborn island]

So wouldve been comfortable if he hadn't

[old zephyr]

Litteraly FREE hold

[tulip panther]

whats WCM then 🤔

welcaremythic ?

[unborn island]

Yep, but I'm 1.85k, not 2.5, So the groups i get aren't that wonderful

[old zephyr]

Dunno, but free's not written on it

[tulip panther]

still its free'er than FR imo

thats an odd word

[unborn island]

WCM this week harder than Freehold by a mile IMO

[oblique garnet]

Eh

Theres 2 iffy packs in wcm

Rest are relatively easy

[tulip panther]

biggest prob in the WCM is getting the correct pattern

[unborn island]

I'm just thinking of those packs :)

[old zephyr]

There is none of them in FH

[unborn island]

They caused me pain

[old zephyr]

The only possible issue is eudora

[lusty grotto]

I don't even look at raid achieves, the people I mention are linking key master achieves with no 10 or 15 runs or whatever lmao

[unborn island]

This was mainly last week- both were relatively easy

WCM has sore pulls and small room so I dislike it :)

[lusty grotto]

Literally never look at raid achieves though, sorry but that doesn't tell me anything tbh

[tulip panther]

FR has so much ninjapull potential that i dont like it :<, but true..the close quarters in wcm is not fun

[unborn island]

But muh M+ is easy, I R Leet mythic raidur

[tulip panther]

@lusty grotto so you saying that i got CE before the last batch of nerfs to Jaina, that im not worthy 😡

[lusty grotto]

I've seen way too many 9/9s that so shit all in easy m+

Like I get that you're a good raider if you're 9/9 CE but its kind of a 50/50 chance that that person will do well or just plain horrible

Or at least in my experience

[unborn island]

I guess if you're in a guild that good you just join the other people in your guild if you wanna push?

[spice ferry]

being ce means you're a good player, but that doens't meant youre good at m+

[tulip panther]

yea, even the pve gets divided in to smaller sections

[lusty grotto]

Yup

[tulip panther]

hecken elitists 😡

[spice ferry]

exactly. obviously skills overlap, but the knowledge is a major factor in success

[tulip panther]

m+ is more of adapting to the factory X, instead of fighting a scripted 9minute encounter with 19 others

AND STILL SOMEONE MANAGES TO FUCK IT ALL UP

[spice ferry]

ehh. m+ is a 30minute encounter

[lusty grotto]

Tbf I don't think it's fair to say one is easier or harder than the other but some people are just too used to their raids maybe and think that m+ doesn't require the same effort or something

[tulip panther]

@spice ferry what i was going for, and you never ( if you dont push with same team) get the same exact scripted encoutners coz something goes different, and you need to adapt to that

[ionic fern]

Jep...all that CE proves in regards to m+ is class knowledge ..but you gotta know pulls/what to interrupt/when to use CD's etc and that just comes with experience.

[spice ferry]

i think its partly because you can brute force a raid encounter until you memorise it, that's alot harder (outside of the tourney realm) for the majority of people as it requires way, way more time

[lusty grotto]

It's not so much about the skill level but the mentality approaching each one is what I'm saying

[tulip panther]

thats why i put highend m+ players ahead raiders in my books

[spice ferry]

they're two groups of players who are probably very closely skilled excelling in the type of content they enjoy

[lusty grotto]

Yup

[oblique garnet]

There are also alot of m+ gods who are not that good in raid environment and vise versa

[tulip panther]

what mwhahi said, i did my first 14 as my prot, and i got basicly handheld by a other prot main on our group, it was EASY AF, basicly had the whole dungeon memorized

[lusty grotto]

I would believe that Late

[spice ferry]

but thats probably not to do with those peoples skills but more because they've not spent the time etc becoming knowledgable about the other type of content

[lusty grotto]

That's true as well

[spice ferry]

i doubt anyone with CE couldn't succeed in at least decent keys

nor anyone who does top keys couldn't get CE if they tried

[oblique garnet]

If they put in effort they can succeed in keys but thats the same thing that applies to almost anything

[ionic fern]

There are people who do both obviously but it comes down to other stuff ..do you have the time/interest to do both etc

[spice ferry]

yeh definitely

[mortal brook]

Just need the time and effort

[spice ferry]

more about do you have the time and inclination

[ionic fern]

For example i used to raid but i quit for now and started doing more m+ cause of timr commitments

[stiff oracle]

You guys are lucky there arent any top 100 world raiders in here or they would get triggered by the comparison between raiding and M+ ahah

[oblique garnet]

I do both content but i prefer raid over m+ tanking right now but thats due to me spamming so many keys throughout the expansion so now i mostly want to dps

[mortal brook]

We are fillin a tank position, and my guilds like no prevoous CE reee and im like, these two fuckers pugged the all 15 FoS theyre ballers

[ionic fern]

I also found it a lot easier and less triggering to manage 4 people rather than 19.

😂

[spice ferry]

why do you assume there aren't?

there would definitely be some world 100 raiders here

[mortal brook]

Sup

[ionic fern]

No one said anything wrong tho...CE !=good m+ automatically and vica versa is also true.

[mortal brook]

Its different genres. I dont trust half my raiders to not INT my 10. Cuz they havent put in the time and effort.

[spice ferry]

if you cant recognise that doing well in wow boils down to having the desire to perform well and the schedule to play enough

then idk what to say

[mortal brook]

Im honestly more proud of my all 15 that i pugged than my CE. Was my first season legit pushing

CE i just taunt swap until 19 other ppl stop standing in fire

[spice ferry]

i think pugging 15 fos is definitely harder than CE

i couldn't imagine the kind of hell pug 15 keys would be

[mortal brook]

Its different, at the very least

[spice ferry]

yeah, atleast for tanks

[mortal brook]

Different game

[ionic fern]

Pugging between 13-17 is horrible. .everyone thinks they know best and rage quit so often

[oblique garnet]

On a good week you can pug 20+ without comms on a bad week you can barely do 15s with pugs

[mortal brook]

Some weeks you get the big KR dick

:D

[spice ferry]

im gunna aim to get 15 fos on 2-3 tanks next season

[mortal brook]

Baller

[spice ferry]

after battling through 8.0 and 8.1 ive found myself in a decent guild that will get CE and does good keys so shouldn't be too tough

already got all tanks at 120 and 4/6 at 410

so shouldn't be too much work getting them up to level for 15s next season

[mental scarab]

What will a 10 drop next season?

Is it 430 or?

[mortal brook]

should be 430 base after week 2 of s3 yes

[spice ferry]

Yeh 430 and 440 cache

[unborn island]

@ionic fern yes, when I've gotten into 18's people are so much more patient/understanding

[sick sentinel]

is haste >vers > mastery for a more defensive playstyle ?

crit will still result to the least damage taken per point in an mplus

but ilvl is still king

ahh ok cause icy veins is telling me haste vers mastery

[inland bolt]

@sick sentinel never talk about stat weights on this discord, it will result in you getting flamed byevery player in this game

[sick sentinel]

my b

[autumn pendant]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel haste vers mastery crit is for raid surv

haste crit vers mastery is for mplus

[mental scarab]

Crit is guuuud for you can parry bleeds 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[lime mantle]

Excuse me what

[timid jay]

Parry ability that applies bleed = no bleed

[sick sentinel]

casually walking into the KR with 40% party

not giving a single fuck

I got a single bleed the entire dungeon

[stiff oracle]

man nerfclap and those MDI tanks must be so dumb for not going full crit

in KR

[undone sun]

Well they are dumb, but for different reasons

[ionic fern]

Mdi!= Pushing keys

On a +19 you can tank bleeds.

Dworf masterrace

[oblique garnet]

Didnt most tanks run full crit haste in mdi after week 1

[ionic fern]

I gave up watching since it was boring and repetitive.

So not sure.

[sick sentinel]

I think they did

[timid jay]

You should join MDI instead mwahi

I believe in you

[ionic fern]

We were thinking about it next time.

But probably not. Cba with the time investments. I'll just chill on tourney realm

😂

[stiff oracle]

2 days isnt much of a time investment lol

[oblique garnet]

TR is the best sandbox wow has to offer

[ionic fern]

2 days is a lot to someone with a full time job and a family.

But jeah,TR seems interesting for testing purposes.

[autumn pendant]

Dummy question cause just got my curiosity up

How do you get on TR

[oblique garnet]

You compete in the mdi proving grounds and apply with a 5 man team

This season it was 5x 14s timed on different dungeons

Iirc

[digital lark]

do we put a strength gem in or just all haste?

[sick sentinel]

all haste

[digital lark]

thanks

[sick sentinel]

is it normal for haste to sim much higher than strength

it's 100% normal\

also don't sim stat weights

why though

because str scale linearly

so ilvl still king?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[sick sentinel]

ok cool

[full spruce]

Na, get full leech no matter ilvl

Oh yeah...finally got my CE. But was on DK/Monk the whole run. Trying to run warrior through this week minus mekka where ill always be on DK cause cotank only has a bear

[trim jungle]

Man part of me wants to keep learning how to tank

But at the same time

My ass is not gonna take the time to read extra guides and strats for fights.

I will never be that invested into a video game... ha

And I’m sure in this chat that I will get blasted for saying that

[autumn pendant]

🤷

[clear charm]

Hey, whats the community opinion of askmrrobot ? Is it trash ? decent or pretty good for siming prot ?

[spice ferry]

Trash

Very trash

[clear charm]

why ?

[spice ferry]

Honestly I’m not the one to tell you why, but I guarantee anyone worth their salt here will tell you that.

[sick sentinel]

it's actual garbage

they don't have a single clue

[oblique garnet]

Use raidbots if youre simming but remember you can only sim offensively not defensively

[ruby imp]

Hey guys, what's a good metric in logs to gauge my skill/improvement in active tanking? For prot warrior I assume its damage mitigated %?

Currently working on M Jaina

I'm mostly trying to find an alternative for WowAnalyzer to help me find problem areas

[warm plinth]

You can just post logs here and ask for people to go over them. There are usually several people who will take a look. There's no metric for successful tanking because there are way too many variables to take into account. However, we can look at certain things that show up as red flags (e.g. not using CDs enough, bad blocked hits %, etc.) and give you feedback based on those.

[tulip panther]

claps per Avatar 😡

[final mist]

CD usage is a good example, how much / what you have SB up for is another.

Another good one is how well you’re using LS and SB together.

Etc.

[full spruce]

I like to look at my EHRPS and using that graph look for the spikes and details of whats coming in...use CASTS/BUFFS in timeline to see what I had active during those times

[haughty haven]

I have been looking through the pins, could not find a guide that talks about increasing dps on prot warrior. Where should i look. I understand the rotation from icy veigns, but in open world i am doing around 5k to 6k with ilvl 375

[sick sentinel]

well if you play with good prio over your skill you are already there for big damage numbers

durinf avatar every 2nd gcd is always thunderclap

on ST with no avatar prio shieldslam

on ST witg avatar prio clap and shieldslam

you can use revenge even tho it is not free if you dont need the rage you will waste on it

try to use avatar and shout together if they are close and they should be really close most of the time

for me in ST i can use 1 shout without avatar and 1 witg avatar same for aoe

hope these will help @haughty haven

[haughty haven]

@sick sentinel thanks so much! Will apply that today

[sick sentinel]

but those big numbers you see on streams are because people stack 3x BoM and going full offensive traits

and offensive trinkets mostly which helps the big clap numbers

[haughty haven]

Got it! Which one is BoM again

[exotic spoke]

Bastion of might. You get mastery when you use avatar (and it stacks) as well as one cast of ignore pain (this doesn’t stack)

When you have three of them you’re pretty much guaranteed to crit block the majority of attacks you would block

[haughty haven]

Oh gotext

Gotcha

[exotic spoke]

Which can be up to 85% mitigation just from blocking (crit blocks are likely the only thing to reach that cap)

[umbral forge]

I believe in death.
Namely my own.

[smoky iris]

earthlink, shimmering haven, or azerite globules?

is earthlink decent

[warm plinth]

Earthlink is alright. There are better options but Shimmering Haven is meh and globules can be very inconsistent

[smoky iris]

i guess earthlink is the best choice of the 3?

[chilly brook]

@trim jungle I mean in all honesty it doesn’t take more than 5 minutes to learn how to do most fights or dungeons in the game so why not just do it? It’ll go a long way to making things smoother

Especially when you can just throw it up on a second monitor or tab out and watch it on a flight point or just open up tanknotes.tk and get the cliff notes

[mental scarab]

And tanks have less mechanics to deal with tbh

And we dont die to small things 🐷

[tiny rapids]

Resounding Protection stacks?

[vocal skiff]

yes

[tiny rapids]

thanks!

[dusky summit]

Hi quick question, why does reflecting cyclone strike sometimes not work? Half the time I position myself to reflect it, I just die

[exotic spoke]

You can’t reflect it if it was targeted on you

The other option is that the other boss cast a jolt or gust on you and ate the reflect

[dusky summit]

yeah I knew it couldn't be reflected if it was targeted at you. Hm that makes sense though that a jolt could have taken it off

if a jolt doesnt get casted, it should work 100% right?

[exotic spoke]

Yup. And it’ll chunk off about 10% of his life. If it doesn’t - then RIP you

Typically I’ll call out that im reflecting next and that a DPS MUST interrupt next cast

[full spruce]

Done 7/7 tanks now 50 neck. Ready to play the game

[primal sable]

Someone here said that you could reflect every second cast cause the other guy is busy casting aoe stuff

So its safer

Think it was kaege

[chilly brook]

“50 neck ready to play the game” depressing statement there

[full spruce]

Only depressing thats my 7th tank to 50 😦

Nothing to do horde side. So leveled my alliance for fun

[chilly brook]

Nothing to do period lol

[warm plinth]

Not even a Kul tiran 😦

[full spruce]

Outside guild run, 10+ and mythic champs on alts. Id need a lucky TF for an upgrade. Spamming keys bores me

@warm plinth I like the NE shadowmeld when it wanna get away from mobs while doing all the quests for Two Sides to Every Tale achievement

[warm plinth]

It is handy. I just love KTs and hate NEs. My DH is NE obviously and it's a very useful spell though so if you can stomach NE, definitely a good pick.

[full spruce]

And KT in Dreadnaught look stupid IMO sooo

[warm plinth]

Pshh, don't need transmog when you have heritage armor

[full spruce]

Im not gonna level a KT from lvl 1...this is jus tan alt I had in legion to spam keys since weirdly more alliance on in the middle of the night for me (PST time zone)

[warm plinth]

You wouldn't have to

KT starts at level 20 :p

[modern brook]

"Spamming keys bores me" says the guy at neck level 350

🤷

@primal sable @dusky summit U should still hit the first and get your DPS to not be downies, tbh. RNG is a bitch and if the first is on dps1, 2nd on you, you miss your window to hit any

[clever fog]

Any prot war POV stream suggestions for high M+?

[modern brook]

@clever fog watch @oblique garnet or @shut summit and @sick sentinel if he streams idk

they're the 3 highest M+ers in here to my knowledge

[warm plinth]

Kaege doesn't (I think he has a bad PC). Late does when I nag him 800 times. Sense is not doing anymore this season but he has some on his YT channel already

[modern brook]

i believe sense also has some vods

on twitch

[warm plinth]

Yeah, he should anyway. I can't watch Twitch at work so I think of YT first XD

[modern brook]

im just goin off memory tbh

[warm plinth]

We actually have a decent number of people in here who do high keys but they just don't stream/record

[modern brook]

I wouldnt doubt that

[sick sentinel]

I don't stream

Sadly

[modern brook]

I just know those 3; and i know late and sense stream and have their twitches in their profile

I also know kaege has his twitch in his profile

althought i guess i should be using past tense for sense :^(

[warm plinth]

Yeah 😦 He said he might do more next season

[modern brook]

I dont blame him tbh

Im haivng like 0 fun tanking keys this season

[full spruce]

Warrior tanking this season is cheese for those big numbers

[hushed whale]

I think refracting/vial but I wanted to get some other opinions 😃 410 rezan's 400 refracting prisms w/socket 400 vial w/leech Thanks!

[sick sentinel]

Rezans/prism for pushing

Rezans+vial for farm

Vial is overrated

[lusty grotto]

Johnny Kaege when

WHEN

I'm tired of that pfp

[young marlin]

Vial + Block + Avatar + Demo shout means huge damage lol

[lusty grotto]

Vial 🤔

no

But it's a good pick for him

[sick sentinel]

@young marlin for 6 seconds

And people will cast avatar (with vial macroed ofc)

Then cast demo shout

And then they will start hitting

Meanwhile

The big buff of the vial is already gone

[lusty grotto]

What were saying is vial is OK but not the best

[sick sentinel]

And you wasted 3 seconds of a 6 second trinket

[young marlin]

Iirc you use Demo shout then avatar so that any trinket used with avatar is not wasted.

[lusty grotto]

You lose 1 gcd of tclap

If you do that

[young marlin]

Vial is not the best. I would prefer the PvP stat on use tribket

[lusty grotto]

Avatar then demo

[sick sentinel]

Vial is good

Not great

Not amazing

But just good

The thing is

[young marlin]

The pvp vers on use strength is the best imo

[sick sentinel]

In the hands of 90% of the players

It's bad

[lusty grotto]

Yaya the pvp one is great

[hushed whale]

so is there an optimal way to play with vial that pushes it over?

[young marlin]

But its hard to get the item lvl

[sick sentinel]

@hushed whale don't macro it

[hushed whale]

I really appreciate yall's answers and discussion

[warm plinth]

Just don't macro it to Avatar. Use it when you use your first clap and don't expect massive damage the entire Avatar

[sick sentinel]

Use it after you casted BOTH demo amd avatar

[warm plinth]

Because the str boost shrinks quickly

[hushed whale]

even with optimal play would yall still lean towards rezans?

[sick sentinel]

Have it on a different keybind

Than both

[lusty grotto]

Yes rezan is solid

[young marlin]

Rezans is a great defense and pretty good offense trinket. Paired with the prism it becones even more defensive thus it is a good trinket as well as the fact that it just procs so 0 brain effort is required

[sick sentinel]

If you can use vial effectively

And be in the 10%

Just go rezans+vial tbh

And wear prism in very very high end stuff where you need it to survive

[young marlin]

Have the smurt shift thunderclap and bind it to shift whatever your thunderclap is and then have a WA or something to show you when it is available with avatar

I feel bad cause I have to really on WA to see information but cant get it from blizz ui

[hushed whale]

Seems reasonable, im pushing in the 19-20 range rn and sometimes I definitely feel like i need the extra survivability but I figure most of that stems from poor play on my part as opposed to trinkets/gear

although I really want to get my 2nd and 3rd bastion lol

[lusty grotto]

Now for the real questions

Johnny Kaege when?!?

[empty inlet]

your gear/trinket doesn't matter

you just need a 415 shield

you can time 23 keys in 400 ilvl

[hushed whale]

what scales off of shield ilvl? I still have a 400 😦

[empty inlet]

block

[primal sable]

block

can farm champions for a decent shield

[hushed whale]

yea I have been trying just no luck, so higher shield gives higher block chance? or you block more damage? or both? Thanks!

[empty inlet]

damage taken

[primal sable]

block value, not chance

[hushed whale]

good to know, thanks for the info

[warm plinth]

No, you're right lol. Shield gives block value which determines how much damage you reduce with each block.

[primal sable]

nah i was confusing crit with block chance

when its parry chance

should also delete that message since its confusing

blockades shield gives you tiny bit of block chance, champions shield gives you tiny bit of parry chance

[lusty grotto]

Uhhh

Mastery you mean?

[primal sable]

yea

[lusty grotto]

Vs crit

Yaya

[primal sable]

pls dont, i just came home from exams, my brain is mush atm

[lusty grotto]

That's correct

👍

[sick sentinel]

@lusty grotto it's not happening

I am currently watching the anime where this character is from

and that character is literally just me

I am that character

[lusty grotto]

i see

you lost me at "watching an anime"

rip kaege, doesn't exist for me anymore

[primal sable]

lmao

how weeb is this anime

[lusty grotto]

i mean you only drop 2 million testosterones by looking at it for 1 second

[sand egret]

ohh Testosterones, I think I saw them live once!

[tulip panther]

more like, how weeb is t his man 🤔 id hit that pfp tho

[lusty grotto]

Hey man

don't you dare shit talk about Kaege like that, rip Kaege June 3rd 2019

[sand relic]

what r the traits we wanna stack again for tanking for m+

[honest frigate]

3x Bastion of Might, 1x Deafening crash are the bare minimum best traits

[sand relic]

ok any thing else

@honest frigate what about iron fortress

Im tryin g to figure out whats best to use https://gyazo.com/261e35bb508acc44b24e756a579e90bc

[lusty grotto]

you can see a ranking of them in the icy veins guide linked in #268491842637660160

but generally prot specifics are good

[sand relic]

are the current ones im using good

or best

[sick sentinel]

Dude

I haven't watched anime for 2 years

I just binged this

[chilly brook]

People watch anime?

[sick sentinel]

It's about mental disorders

[chilly brook]

🙃

Anime addiction is a mental disorder :pepega

[sand relic]

does this make sense https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a3LTLmAbk7HiCjBy662EVJ

it wants me to use 2 DF

[warm plinth]

Guessing you mean DC. DC traits are still very good for DPS, especially in dungeons, after the first one.

[sick sentinel]

Even after the first one*

[sand relic]

so does what i linked look accurate

or should i switch to something different

[sick sentinel]

But they provide no survivability whatsoever

I can't look at it rn

[sand relic]

damn

[warm plinth]

I mean, dungeon slice is still in beta. What are the other options instead of DC on those pieces?

[sand relic]

on which 1

the 415 has swirling sands

and the 405 has brace for impact

Im guessing the DC is better on the 415

so switch DC on my 405 for bfi

and for staT priority it goes haste vers then mastery right ?

[warm plinth]

That's probably why it's saying to use 2 DC. BfI is a single target trait and Swirling Sands is meh for damage compared to DC

Since a dungeon slice is simulating packs of mobs followed by a boss, it makes sense that it suggests DC over BfI

[sand relic]

so untill i get better i should use 2 dc for now then

[warm plinth]

If you're only worried about DPS, yes

[sick sentinel]

Yo

Swirling sands

Is HUGE

Like

[warm plinth]

Stat priority for survival is to just use your highest ilevel gear. For M+, your best DPS stats are haste and crit.

[sick sentinel]

Very very good

[warm plinth]

Sorry I mixed that up with another trait. I thought it was the dodge thing

[sand relic]

so ilvl over everything for m+

and jusr use dps traits

my issue is rings im not sure whcih stats i should aim for for my rings

I have either crit vers or lower ilvl crit haste

[warm plinth]

Same rules apply for rings. Higher ilevel for survival.

[sand relic]

wait some 1 said swirling sands is good

i just reforged\

[warm plinth]

Keep in mind your sim is just telling you what is going to provide the most damage. It's not going to be at all helpful for survival because it doesn't care about survival.

[sand relic]

and got dc

[sick sentinel]

Swirling sands>second dc

[warm plinth]

Yeah, swirling sands is good. I was thinking of Winds of War initially. That's my bad.

[sick sentinel]

It's insane how good it is

The rule about getting more than 1 dc is:

If you have to ask

Then you shouldn't

The ones that can go for more than one

KNOW when they should

[sand relic]

im new to tanking so

thats why im asking

so i should use ss over dc on my 415

and jusr use the 1 dc on my 400

[warm plinth]

Also I wouldn't really recommend dungeon slice sims

[sick sentinel]

^^

[warm plinth]

It's still in beta and I get really inconsistent results from them

[sick sentinel]

Yes to both

Use the DC on the lower piece

[sand relic]

life speed overwhemling power or gutripper ?

ls right

[warm plinth]

Overwhelming Power should be taken when it's available.

[sand relic]

even for m+ ?

over LS ?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it has an ICD on stack loss

[sand relic]

other sites show LS is s tier

this is why i get confused with stuff

[warm plinth]

Yeah, IV shows Lifespeed as S tier because it's ranking survival traits

[sand relic]

im only 403 ilvl on this toon maybe i should usee LS

[warm plinth]

We typically take either DPS traits or hybrid traits

[sand relic]

what would u use if u were 403

[warm plinth]

My warrior is only like 394 and I'd still use OP

[sand relic]

ok

[sick sentinel]

OP for life

[honest frigate]

Op is amazing

[sand relic]

whats the best dungeon to farm out 1 hander n shield

cause im still useing a 380 sword n 375 shield

I need better badly

[honest frigate]

Atal gives a Haste mastery shield that isn’t bad, and temple has a crit haste weapon

I’d recommend trying to kill mythic champions in pugs since you can get a 415 crit haste shield

Even heroic champions

[warm plinth]

Though in all honesty ilevel matters so much more than stats on both slots that anything you get is going to be just fine.

[sand relic]

is the fight ez to tank i never tanked it

i onyl do m+

[warm plinth]

So any dungeon that drops a 1H weapon or shield should be fine for you to farm

[sick sentinel]

The fight is very straightforward

[neon tangle]

@sick sentinel what's the animu?

@sand relic champs is relatively easy to tank, especially if you're in a pug and they 3-tank it

solo-tanking the lady can be a little annoying in heroic, resetting the stacks is a pita and you drag the boss around the whole arena

[sand relic]

is there a guide that shows for warrior tanks what to do on each boss

so i can go try n tank heroic\

[neon tangle]

http://tanknotes.tk is good

[sand relic]

ok ty

[neon tangle]

seriously though, mythic is easier to solo tank, but a lot of pugs 3-tank anyways

and 3-tanking makes it trivial

[willow scarab]

It’s a pretty big ask to have someone who hasn’t killed a mythic boss to then go solo tank it in a pug

[sand relic]

im 5/9 mythic on my priest

[neon tangle]

That’s why I suggest 3 tanking 😃

[honest pelican]

always haste in socket or do we use 1 kraken's eye of strength?

[willow scarab]

Haste

[quiet crane]

Yes but priest is very different to warrior tanking you wouldn’t be able to just jump in and solo champs straight away unless it’s like a hidden niche talent of yours

[junior ivy]

hi

[sick sentinel]

Hello cat

[junior ivy]

whatcha up to

[umbral forge]

I heard solo tanking?

[junior ivy]

i always wished there were more 3 tank fights in wow 😦

or like. imagine a 4 tank fight.

OR A 5 TANK FIGHT

wouldnt it be fun

[sick sentinel]

@junior ivy 8 tank fight was a thing

In naxx 40

[spice ferry]

yeh but imagine raiders having to be able to flex spec

most people struggle to play 1 properly 😛

[junior ivy]

being a tank is stressful cause so much is relying on you

if there were 4 other tanks, it's not so bad

[neon tangle]

@junior ivy fathomlord was a 4 tank fight

[junior ivy]

whats fathomlord

[spice ferry]

SSC?

[neon tangle]

From SSC

[analog swift]

Tbh tanking isn’t really stressful because healers carry you

[neon tangle]

Stressful is relative

If you mess up your rotation or get distracted it’s a lot easier to wipe the raid as a tank

I find that fairly stressful

Also your mistakes tend to be far more visible

[junior ivy]

tnaking is so stressful

i was never cut out to be a tank i was just thrust into thaty role

[lusty grotto]

😎

[neon tangle]

especially comparing it as a dps, I can fuck up a lot more without it being as obvious to the group

[junior ivy]

yeah as a tank EVERYONE knows when you do something wrong

and its very difficult to be carried

[willow scarab]

Healers carrying you wasn’t always a thing

The better you are the less healers have to do the faster the boss dies because they can dps

I think it’s rewarding rather than stressful because you have so much responsibility

[young marlin]

You must find the rhythm of the battle to find tanking non-stressful @junior ivy . It all comes with experience

[lusty grotto]

cat doesnt play anymore

[junior ivy]

in legion i wasnt a bad tank but i was still stressed and nervous

[lusty grotto]

and she's a vet of this channel

[junior ivy]

i remmeber once i positioned that snow/fire lady in nighthold wrong and killed my off tank and i got so scared i just exited wow and didnt go back lol

it was in a pug i felt bad

but yeha nims right

retired tank. FOR NOW.

my bf still says he wants to play wow when he builds a pc lol

[lusty grotto]

vet pet i should say :p

xD

[neat harbor]

sup boyz, need help

quick question trying to get some opinions
best MMO mouse 2019?
need more buttons than whats on my zowie
20 cm hands

[warm plinth]

Is that big or small. I'm 'Murican

[primal sable]

how many buttons on the g600

i need a mouse to reply my naga

12button preferably

nvm googling is easy haha

[warm plinth]

G600 is what I use. 12 buttons on the side, left/right click, two buttons below the wheel, 3-way wheel (press left, press right, and press center), and has a button on the far right that you can press comfortably with your ring finger

And I replaced a Naga Hex with it

The original Naga Hex, not 2.0

[primal sable]

i have a 5yo naga and its falling apart

and i dont wanna give 70+GBP to razer

[warm plinth]

G600 is solid, and cheap

Think you can get one for like $35 USD atm

Maybe even cheaper if you find a sale

[steel mauve]

i really enjoy the feel of my corsair scimitar in my hand

[primal sable]

yea its on sale for 30usd now

[warm plinth]

That's a strange name for your-- never mind

[neat harbor]

yeah the g600 has loads of buttonz for sure. I just wonder if the thumb wouldnt grind into them

[steel mauve]

oh, we're talking about gaming mice here? nvm...

[neat harbor]

and make it kinda weird to grip

[primal sable]

the issue now is whether i can trust amazon to deliver on time

[warm plinth]

Do you have a full palm grip or claw grip @neat harbor ?

[neat harbor]

always palm more or less

unless Im like flicking witha sniper rifle or pistol or something then I go to a claw sort of grip where my index finger rides up on the mouse

[warm plinth]

I have a claw grip and I have no issues. They're not like uber-sensitive or anything like that. Very responsive but you have to intend to press them

[neat harbor]

Im thinking worst case, I might even be able to "unbind" like the middle buttons or whatever so my thumb could just have free reign without triggering anything

[warm plinth]

Well, except for the button on the far right side of the mouse (the one you'd press with your ring finger). That one is unbound by default and I notice since binding it that I do actually hit it accidentally quite frequently.

[neat harbor]

gotcha

yeah from what I can see honestly theres like hardly any mice with decent buttons that someone doesnt press one of them by accident sometimes

https://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Rival-15-Button-Programmable-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01K3DM0WY/ref=sr_1_13?keywords=MMO+mouse+buttons&qid=1559611284&s=electronics&sr=1-13

Im liking the layout of that one.

but no actual expeirnce with it

[warm plinth]

I messed with that one in the store when I was buying mine. The extra buttons near the normal mouse buttons are not comfortable to hit at all for me, and I have pretty long fingers

Might be easier for you with a palm grip though

[neat harbor]

ahh the ones for index and middle?

[warm plinth]

these ones

[neat harbor]

yeah a coupole of folks on amazon said the same.

they did say the buttons have a nice feel tho

Im just liking that "thumb rest" area in the middle of the side

might actually impulse buy and insta return if I dont like

free prime shipping ftw

[warm plinth]

There you go. Haha.

Hope it works out for you

[neat harbor]

ya Im still unsure lol

so many shitty mice man

oof

thanks for the info 😄

[primal sable]

the g600 isnt on sale for us eu peasants

sad

[lusty grotto]

g502/mx518 masterrace

this mouse is also exceptional

https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/glorious-model-o-black

has great reviews and stuff, it might be a decent alternative for us g502/mx518 fanboys

used one in a friend's house and it's def good

honestly thinking about buying it after my g502 breaks down in about 10 years

unless i can get an mx518 reissue shipped to the states

[astral crystal]

MOUSE IS MATTE BLACK

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto I love my g903 + the charging pad

The poshest of mice

[solar delta]

If it's between helm and chest for a random 415 azerite piece, any suggestions on which has a better chance at getting ideal traits?

If that makes any sense lol

[oblique garnet]

@solar delta what traits do you currently have?

[solar delta]

Badddd. Only 1 Bastion atm

[indigo thorn]

Should the tanks help soak beam on the third boss in temple on higher keys, like 18s and higher?

[solar delta]

My helm and shoulder traits are pretty much the same, ignore pain on eahc , deafening crash on each and OP on each

[oblique garnet]

Iirc 3/6 pieces have BoM on both helm and chest

@indigo thorn at the beginning its helpful if tank helps soaking but during necrotic week its 50/50 the dps + healer should be able to soak all of them

[indigo thorn]

But other weeks, I should help?

[oblique garnet]

It helps if you do yeah

[last mason]

Is it ok to macro shout to avatar

[undone sun]

aren't they both on GCD 🤔

[oblique garnet]

Yes they are

And you should use demoshout on cd

[last mason]

Oh yea you right

[oblique garnet]

You get 1 demoshout inbetween avatars

[last mason]

Should I avatar on cd also pretty much

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much

[last mason]

It feels so underwhelming on smaller packs