protection

[warm plinth]

See this is the kind of shit they’d put in off topic

[willow scarab]

But we are /offtopic/ now

[stoic pilot]

This is the prime prot warr discussion we need though

[outer dew]

Thse three things

I relate too much

[willow scarab]

This is social discord for people who have played prot at some point in their life

[sick sentinel]

Hoe kage

[outer dew]

Wdym

It keeps people here

Have you seen the depression of dream grove

[oblique garnet]

Yikes

[willow scarab]

I'm not in any other tank discords

My bear is level 40

and my other bear is dormant since wod at level 100

[outer dew]

Well

Moral of the story is

Most other discord are depression

[undone sun]

no u

[outer dew]

Warrior discord is only one that actually talks

[willow scarab]

Does that mean this discord cured my depression

[outer dew]

Thyme, just because you mod a dead discord

[willow scarab]

and when fotm rerollers leave it comes back?

[undone sun]

🤣

[outer dew]

Doesnt mean you can tell us this

wdym

[undone sun]

you're just not in the right channels

😉

[outer dew]

Most of us that consistently talk

[oblique garnet]

Most of the active people are not fotm rerollers

[outer dew]

Have been prot since start of bfa

Lol

[willow scarab]

How many people are like giga long term prot

like 5+ years or 10+

[oblique garnet]

Well prot was my alt since start of wrath

[sick sentinel]

I'm here since uldir release

[undone sun]

those would tend to be a bit more casual

ngl

[willow scarab]

I'm in this discord since like BoD

[outer dew]

I've always had a capped prot since Wrath

[willow scarab]

But I've been prot since end of cata

as a main

[outer dew]

Iunno

I'm one of those people who enjoy multi classing

[oblique garnet]

Real talk tho what is it with teeming fortified ripping through shields durability

[willow scarab]

Just get an indestructible shield 4head

I like teeming fortified reaping

[oblique garnet]

Like legit had no wipe wcm run

[willow scarab]

I did a 10 for fun yesterday with 55k dps overall at teh end

the dk had 73k

[oblique garnet]

At the end of the dungeon shield was at 19

[willow scarab]

the 10 was wcm

[oblique garnet]

Like any other week when you do giga pulls your shields durability doesnt drop as much

Whats causing it

[outer dew]

Maybe more hits blocked

[sick sentinel]

^^

Mobs live longer and there are more of them

[oblique garnet]

And repaircosts are excessive aswell

500g after every dungeon

[outer dew]

If you're getting gang banged, you get the twice the amount of smacking

Tbh

[oblique garnet]

• consumables

[sick sentinel]

I used to have 800 guild repairs

[molten atlas]

is there a M+ ilvl chart anywhere

[sick sentinel]

Every day

[oblique garnet]

Only 800?

[sick sentinel]

Its better than nothing

[outer dew]

I was burning about 100k a week when I got use to potting every pack

[sick sentinel]

And we had a bad raid day and gm turned it off

[outer dew]

Imagine burning a wow token each week

That was sad times

[oblique garnet]

Yeah on a push week spending 100k on consumables was not fun

Now pots are like free

Last i checked str pots were 40 a piece

[outer dew]

That's kinda insane

But 8.2 introducing better consumables

[oblique garnet]

Idk

Did you see that one pot that gives extra str based on mobs around you

Yeah cant prepot with that

[sick sentinel]

But you can secondpot it

I multiclass

but I also perfected every class

that I multiclass with

which makes it even more fuj

fun

[oblique garnet]

Its not hard

[willow scarab]

str pots for 40g what the fuck

[oblique garnet]

Classes are really easy in bfa

[willow scarab]

on frostmourne the tools of the trade didn't change any prices

i'm still selling veiled crystals for 200g and pots are still 200g+

flasks still 400g+

augment runes 500g

[outer dew]

Tell people on frostmourne to bot more

[oblique garnet]

Veiled crystals were at one point cheaper than the blue ones

[outer dew]

To drive the prices down

[oblique garnet]

Augment runes are still expensive as shit though

[sick sentinel]

I bought 60 today

Go play demo lock

330 gold each

with NP, Vile, Bilescourge, GFG

now that's the hardest spec in the game

[oblique garnet]

Its not

Demolock is honestly not hard

But what do i know i only played warlock since tbc 8)

[sick sentinel]

say a spec that's harder than those set of talents tho

[outer dew]

Fucking casual

[sick sentinel]

I never said it's hard

It's just the hardest one

[outer dew]

Not even playing since alpha

Just ban this guy tbh

[sick sentinel]

Sorry I'm not a 40 year old

I'm 18

I only played in legion

[oblique garnet]

Im 23

[sick sentinel]

☮

[outer dew]

Tbh

I was like 8 when wow came out

Wanted to play wow because of TFT so bad

[sick sentinel]

I was 3 when wow came out

[outer dew]

Only started playing wow because I could start selling my school lunches in wrath

Lmao

Use to sell ramen to kids

The good ole days to fund WoW

[warm plinth]

TFT?

[outer dew]

Wtf ghash

I thought you were like

30+

[warm plinth]

I am

I'll be 31 at the end of July

[outer dew]

How you come you don't even know the frozen throne

[sick sentinel]

I'm a baby

...

We just called it wc3

^

And that's it

[outer dew]

Smh, TFT is for people who tended to ladder

[warm plinth]

I didn't play any PC games before WoW, but I would have known what you meant if you said wc3 lol

[outer dew]

Wc3 is for maps

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah btw youre right demolock is the hardest spec in the game

But thats because there are no hard specs

And even demo is fairly simple

[outer dew]

Come on mang

[warm plinth]

I played the PlayStation2 version of EQ before WoW. The only real "gaming" I did on PC before WoW was Combat Arms lol

[outer dew]

Have you played sub rogue?

????

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[outer dew]

Imagine doing shit damage for existing

[sick sentinel]

sub rogue in legion

poggers

I remember when outlaw was the super mega troll SPEC

[oblique garnet]

It still is

[warm plinth]

What are the other rogue specs again? 😏

[oblique garnet]

Real rogues pump out harder on assa than any outlul can

[sick sentinel]

I mean like

you would do so shit damage

it was actually a meme

Sub rogue for m+, ass for raids

but who needed rogues

when you could have a monk, firemage and warlock comp

☮

[warm plinth]

I miss people calling them sin rogues. It sounds far more classy 😅

[oblique garnet]

Combat

[honest frigate]

Sure in ST in raid, but outlaw is the superior spec in m+ atm

[outer dew]

Are they still not called sin?

[warm plinth]

Combat was the old outlaw

[sick sentinel]

Ass rogue

[warm plinth]

Lot of people calling them ass rogues lately it seems like

[sick sentinel]

@honest frigate ?

[outer dew]

3x Fan Sin is very competitive for m+

[sick sentinel]

what

who are you talking to

[honest frigate]

Late

[outer dew]

Like if you can roll 3x echo

[sick sentinel]

[oblique garnet]

Assa with 3x echoing does way more damage than outlaw

[honest frigate]

It can do good damage yeah saw a rogue do 43k with triple echo

[warm plinth]

I'm glad I didn't stream my DH's keys last night. I played so bad.

[honest frigate]

But that’s not true late

[sick sentinel]

3 shrouded 3 echoes

mega pump

Sin rogues can pump

[oblique garnet]

Exacrlt

[outer dew]

I think it's only one SS

[sick sentinel]

But less mob control

[outer dew]

And they run 2x something else

[warm plinth]

Quaking interrupting you on a melee spec sucks.

[sick sentinel]

No gouge

[oblique garnet]

Honestly i wouldnt mind it

[sick sentinel]

But they have silence

Which is really good as well

[outer dew]

Sin also has consistent boss damage

[oblique garnet]

Keep getting fucked by the outlaws stun in rotation

”Oh we need to interrupt the bile

Oh wait its immune”

Every fucking time

[outer dew]

Having run smooth because your outlaw rogue pulled nutty rolls vs not

Is actually insane

[warm plinth]

Rumbling Earth bis confirmed

[outer dew]

True depression

[warm plinth]

😂

[sick sentinel]

just get a DH

[warm plinth]

So we actually did the 4 maggot pull with a different strat

That was kinda cool

Only a +10 (disclaimer)

[outer dew]

Tbh

[sick sentinel]

You can CC spam maggots

[warm plinth]

But we had a vengeance tank and he just fear sigiled half the pack

[sick sentinel]

to cancel pulls

er

[warm plinth]

Made it a lot smoother

[outer dew]

Just pull mobs into boss and lust

[oblique garnet]

People who do that 4 maggot pull are a lost cause @sick sentinel

[warm plinth]

😬

[outer dew]

Tbh

That's a pull I've always wanted to do

[warm plinth]

My normal team doesn't like to do skips. I've tried convincing them to many times

[outer dew]

Pull the whole boss room and lust

[warm plinth]

Whew. You fuck up one kick/CC, you're fucked

[sick sentinel]

It's a good pull if you're not retarded

[outer dew]

I mean

[oblique garnet]

Its really not

[outer dew]

If you're doing in a +10

[warm plinth]

I can't trust my group to pull 2 lashers at the same time, much less pull the whole room and the boss haha

[sick sentinel]

I'm skipping it this week

[outer dew]

I thinks doable

Lol

[oblique garnet]

Its the very definition of not a good pull

[outer dew]

Tbh just pull 4 spider boys

[warm plinth]

Wait which pull Kaege? 4 maggot pull or boss room?

[oblique garnet]

4 maggot pull

[sick sentinel]

4 maggot

[warm plinth]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

you guys.. talking about UR?

[outer dew]

Whole boss room is just overhearing and big dick

Oi

Nim

[lusty grotto]

cause i skip that one for sure

fuck that you can simply walk through both teeming packs

[outer dew]

If I asked you if you've played TFT

[warm plinth]

That was the only time I did it without dying horribly tbh. Though my tank still died on reaping because I can't seem to convince the healer to dispel on CD

[outer dew]

Would you understand

???

[oblique garnet]

Every reasonable person will skip that

[sick sentinel]

We're skipping it with this week's route I think

[lusty grotto]

i actually didnt play TFT, only vanilla WC3

[warm plinth]

Even when we have a rogue we don't skip anything.

[sick sentinel]

But I have done it nultiple times

[outer dew]

See

[sick sentinel]

And it worked

[outer dew]

Nim knew

Y'all betrayed me

[oblique garnet]

No. Kage no

[lusty grotto]

what

[oblique garnet]

Stop

[warm plinth]

The only "skip" we do is opening doors in TD

[outer dew]

They didn't know what TFT was

[lusty grotto]

oooo

[outer dew]

Bet they dont know what RoC is too qq

But then again

I spent most of my childhood on TFT

[warm plinth]

RoC sounds vaguely familiar but no idea

[lusty grotto]

wc3

is roc

[outer dew]

It's still wc3

Lol

[warm plinth]

Why do you have 3 different acronyms for one game

[outer dew]

Reign of Chaos is base game for wc3

[lusty grotto]

they were all used lmao

[outer dew]

Because if you played wc3 hella

[warm plinth]

Were they like expansions?

[lusty grotto]

its just been lost i supose

[outer dew]

You knew them

[lusty grotto]

ya tft was the expansion

[outer dew]

Yes

[warm plinth]

Ohh, okay

[outer dew]

RoC is base game

[sick sentinel]

I played custom games

[warm plinth]

That makes sense then.

[outer dew]

TFT is expansion

[sick sentinel]

Not ranked

[outer dew]

Wc3 usually to describe both

Ladder was fun tbh

[lusty grotto]

i suck dick at RTSes, so i just played wc3 for the story and dota allstars of course

[outer dew]

I use to NE cheese

[lusty grotto]

i know what a tower rush is though

[sick sentinel]

I played footmen frenzy, Angel arenas and all of that jazz

[oblique garnet]

@outer dew maybe you can tell me a new show to watch

[outer dew]

Hmm

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah footmen frenzy i played a lot of

[outer dew]

Does it have to be English

[oblique garnet]

No

[outer dew]

And what you looking for?

[oblique garnet]

Something i havent seen

[outer dew]

Homie

I can send a ton of that

You okay with Chinese historical dramas?

Like three kingdom esque?

[oblique garnet]

😪

[outer dew]

But those you actually have to pay attention

Lma9

Give "Nirvana in Fire"

Like 5 episode try

Oh

@oblique garnet you watched altered carbon yet?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[outer dew]

Hmm

I mainly watch Asian dramas

Let me think

[warm plinth]

Is Altered Carbon that new(ish) Netflix show/movie?

[sick sentinel]

Why are we talking about dramas

Isn't this a prot warrior discord

[oblique garnet]

Its tv show about the book ghash

Its good

[sick sentinel]

lets' talk about warriors in animes

[warm plinth]

You were gone; what did you want us to talk about man

We rely on you to keep us on track

[sick sentinel]

What track

[soft kindle]

wait what about demo lock

[outer dew]

Oh suits looked pretty cool

Is that any good

[oblique garnet]

It is good

[sick sentinel]

what's a warlock

[outer dew]

Imagine playing a warlock

[sick sentinel]

Something something hardest spec in the game @sick sentinel

[outer dew]

Carried straight to ghuun

For being a warlock

:^)

[sick sentinel]

G'huun?

who raids in bfa

[oblique garnet]

I got to boost runs in hc uldir with 350 warlock xD

And got paid

[soft kindle]

There's nothing specially difficult about demo lock. Or any spec in bfa, for that matter

[outer dew]

Who goes "I play all my classes to perfection" but doesnt raid with them

[sick sentinel]

What's a raid

[outer dew]

Wdym. Arms is very hard

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i agree meth

[outer dew]

Just run out of rage for existing

You breathe? No rage

[oblique garnet]

But out of all the specs demo might be the ”hardest”

[sick sentinel]

Ye that's what i'm saying

but it's not hard

[soft kindle]

I avidly disagree with that

[sick sentinel]

I'm talking purely Nether portal build btw

[outer dew]

Oooh

[sick sentinel]

SC

and DC

[oblique garnet]

What would you say is harder

[sick sentinel]

is brain dead

[outer dew]

What does meth think is the harsest?

[oblique garnet]

Why would you play netherportal

Its dogshit

[outer dew]

Meth played warlock for raids in BFA

[sick sentinel]

To go back to uldir days

nah it's not

it's even with DC

but

[soft kindle]

I don't think it's realistic to try and claim any spec is necessarily more difficult

[sick sentinel]

1000x more difficult to perfect

than what DC is

[soft kindle]

It depends on the encounter, scenario, etc

[sick sentinel]

all things line up with NP, it's just np is so fucking dumb

why not just use DC

[soft kindle]

What's

difficult

about nether portal

[oblique garnet]

Nothing

[sick sentinel]

Movement

Shard managements

[soft kindle]

I'm giving him a chance to dig his hole

[sick sentinel]

EP uptime

Vilefiend playstyle you have to play with

Good luck with that

I'd like to see you try to do that perfecctly in raid

and then send me a log hah

a

[soft kindle]

So, it's difficult because

you have to play

properly

and it doesn't like movement

So basically

any spec

[sick sentinel]

nah

a lot of other specs

you can predict the movement

and you lose a lot less

than if you were to play NP

and I"m not talking specifically

[soft kindle]

I don't think you are

[sick sentinel]

I'm talking ALL the talents you have to play if you use NP

[soft kindle]

Nothing indicates that you are talking, specifically

[sick sentinel]

yes

I did specify it

:pepega:

[oblique garnet]

He did do that

Soul conduit is better anyways 8)

[sick sentinel]

That's feelscrafy

feelscrafty*

the apl maker believes GFG is still better

but it depends on the situation

like jaina

all you want is pure consistent damage

p3

as all other phases doesn't matter and you won't get another tyrant

er

gfg

so you would want SC

[oblique garnet]

Iirc there was logs comparing jainas p3 damage with and without sc

And with sc you got giga tyrants

[sick sentinel]

ye that's what I'm saying

situational

you'd want SC

as you'd only get 1 GFG if not anything else

but other situations GFG would be better

[oblique garnet]

In m+ i could also see soul conduit be better

[sick sentinel]

as per math/simming

well that's the other thing

it's 50/50

Some p eople say Soul conduit is better

some say gfg

as soul conduit does specifically 1T damage

[oblique garnet]

Ive never liked the playstyle of demo tbh

[sick sentinel]

with tyrant

but with GFG

is hard burst on aoe

[oblique garnet]

And now in bfa they ruined all the other specs aswell

[sick sentinel]

and killing more mobs

that matter faster

as tyrant extends GFG completely

also

that's why it's split

[dark lark]

Came in to lurk #protection

Get warlock discussion

[lusty grotto]

😄

thats how you know you're in #protection all right

[mortal brook]

found a random dude with my mog in the wild!

weirdo

[tulip panther]

two use trinkets are the worst to play with 😡

[undone sun]

the lockout isn't fun

[mortal brook]

are they staggerable to avatars?

[tulip panther]

Idol and Howler :/

[mortal brook]

oh

[tulip panther]

NOPE

[mortal brook]

D:

[tulip panther]

fricking one and two min -_-

legit have too many buttons atm

[tulip panther]

cool, now i have a 410 knot ~reeee

[mortal brook]

nice

best go idol and knot just for the extra clicking

[tulip panther]

oh man, the double 60s cd, my ocd is going overdrive

the idol seems decent in m+'s, its only 380 tho 😮

[ionic fern]

@neon tangle ?

1)are you using the default profile?
2)what fightstyle

3)what trinkets

[neon tangle]

@ionic fern just talking about trinkets earlier

[ionic fern]

As always,anyone is welcome to play with the apl but before actually pushing it to live please let me know so i don't have to find mistakes in it later like it was with grongs.:(

[sick sentinel]

trinket discussion
went to sleep
wake up
still talking about trinkets

Nice

[undone sun]

🙃

sleeping

good joke

[sick sentinel]

yeah imagine sleeping btw

[ionic fern]

Zzzz..i just woke up so i gotta go over it. We took it to DMs so gucci.

[tulip panther]

Get poisoned, get knocked by brute, get slept, aggro the next pack, get 5sec stunned by a rogue...get 5sec stunned by a rogue, watch your party-frames turn to gray, fastest deplete of my life. Temple of Setralis in a nutshell . feels

[sick sentinel]

Next time, either not pull the brute, or los pull him upstairs

[tulip panther]

hows that any fun then 😡

[sick sentinel]

The whole process you described is more fun

[tulip panther]

i was told that the left pathway from the start is faster w\o rogue skip this week. was i lied to

the right one seems easier to control and tank

[sick sentinel]

Left you need to kill 4 packs and right you need to kill 5

Wait no

[tulip panther]

but on the left you have the 6pack with DOUBLE ROGUE that will fuckyou up

[sick sentinel]

You do that pull with wall

[tulip panther]

oh..ok. just fucking hate the rogue mechanic in ToS

[sick sentinel]

Wait

If you don't have a rogue

Invis pot lmao

[primal sable]

rogues are so shady

the intern that made that thing should be flayed

[undone sun]

so shady
😑

[sick sentinel]

Greek rogues that played from internet cafe's in wotlk 👌

[tulip panther]

"lets make an npc that can stun you for 5seconds wich you cant avoid, oh wait, we could add it to a huge monster pack... LETS MAKE IT DOUBLE AND SO THAT THEY CAN CHAIN IT TO FULL 10SECONDS"

Employee of the month

[primal sable]

tag rogues, watch them run to you and cheap shot you out of stealth

[tulip panther]

?!?!

"Welcome to the TEMPLE motherF"

[mortal brook]

I like their plans on islands: 'never, at any point, allow them to pull a significant amount of mobs. they can and will pull the whole island in a single pull if we don't give every single mob a no DR cc of some sort. also, make the damage percentage based! make this shit engaging!!'

[left turret]

will protection be on top of tank tier in 8.2 or paladin may take the leadership because of nerfs ?

[ionic fern]

Warrior will still be solid. You can check the pins regarding the nerf-not a very big deal.

[mental scarab]

Stupid nerf with reaping going away tbh

👀

[ionic fern]

We still excel at physical mitigation since they did not touch our defensive side.

Yeah,reaping going away and being replaced with a more st oriented affix hurts us as well.:D

[hollow pilot]

Ring question. ring1: 395ilvl, 260crit+244 haste+77 avoidance or ring 2: 400 ilvl, 137 crit, 321 vers, 78 avoidance, or ring 3: 395 ilvl, 174 haste+275vers

[high gorge]

410 idol or 400 dia laced prism?

[inland bolt]

@high gorge whats your other trinket?

and what content you doing

[high gorge]

Its a 425 with socket butchers block.. feels like too much to give up.

and mostly M+

So I like the idol

but never used the dia laced before, so

[willow scarab]

425 socket butchers block cunt

and use idol for on-demand healing diamodn for passive, up to you and playstyl

e

[worthy dagger]

rezan + butcher

[grand spruce]

is 15 ilvl better than an extra bastion trait?

[worthy dagger]

no

ilvl > all

[grand spruce]

ok. also any recommendations for trinkets? these are the ones i have.:

[sick sentinel]

that's a lot of very good choices

maybe idol/rezan's

but you can make an arguement for many combinations

depends on what content you are doing, at what level and how comfortable you are

[grand spruce]

understood. ill have to practice and figure out for myself that part. Thank you

[junior ivy]

i dont recognize any of those trinkets

[willow scarab]

They're all of the prot warrior trinkets from 8.2

[junior ivy]

o 😦

[sick sentinel]

cat come back

[junior ivy]

lol im reeeeall considering it

reeeeally*

who is NA alliance and will play with me though lol

[sick sentinel]

oh yeah you are alliance

(and NA)

[junior ivy]

yes i am gnome

when is steam summer sale!

[sweet kettle]

oh no

[unborn island]

I would use Rezan + anchor but depends what content you're doing :)

[warm plinth]

@hollow pilot Ring 1 and 2 is what I would use.

[crystal dirge]

partially offtopic, but do you guys use dbm/bigwigs/ bfa dungeons wa for m+?

[junior ivy]

dbm and WA

jk id ont play 😦

[sick sentinel]

wa and bw/lw

[coral jasper]

^^

[sand egret]

I use none, but that does lead to awkward moments when you're asked to start a timer....

[outer dew]

Give them the vocal timer

[warm plinth]

^

And for extra rage, pull when you say 2

[flint jewel]

Guys, do you think protection will be worse than paladin next patch due to nerfs?

[sick sentinel]

why is literally everybody asking this

[warm plinth]

I don't think there have been changes to either spec that would lead me to believe they'll be in any different position than now.

[sick sentinel]

did something happen in the prot pala discord

[warm plinth]

The only thing that'll affect the meta (not whether one is better than the other) is how the new seasonal affix actually ends up panning out.

But both specs are virtually unchanged

[flint jewel]

even with the nerfs you think?

[warm plinth]

The nerf will lower our DPS marginally but not to the point where it would put other tanks over us. It doesn't even really bring us in line with other tanks tbh. It's a lot softer a nerf than I think a lot of us were expecting.

[sick sentinel]

check the pins

[flint jewel]

Thats what I wanted to read, I'm leveling a tank for m+ and I'm loving it

Yeah, I've read the pins, but it says something completely different of @warm plinth, so calm down

[warm plinth]

Yeah Kaege, chill dude, sheesh

[sick sentinel]

I am calm :C

[warm plinth]

😏

idk why but this reminds me of that scene in Anger Management when the US Marshall tells Adam Sandler's character to calm down lol

[sick sentinel]

like, we are the best mitigation tanks in the game

getting a small damage nerf

doesn't make us less good

[warm plinth]

You're a small damage nerf

[sick sentinel]

It doesn't make us less good, it makes us less Relevant since we've been nerfed

Any nerf is already bad

That's how it's always worked

Outlaw is shit now because they got a trait nerf

[empty inlet]

prot will be the best next season

thxs and bye

if you think other wise youre wrong

[oblique garnet]

if the affix needs control prot wont be the best spec next season

[outer dew]

Just play bear

Never disappointed if you're always the bottom

[warm plinth]

I'm pretty sure VDH has the bottom rung, sorry Tofu 😦

[prisma oracle]

Hey guys, im new to warrior and im currently 119. Will we still be good m+ tanks in 8.2?

[warm plinth]

Yep

[prisma oracle]

Alright, we're still relevant I see. but will we still conquer in m+s?

[warm plinth]

If you're referring to whether we'll still be the "meta" tank, we don't know yet. As Late said, if the affix requires the tank to be able to control mobs, it would affect our standing.

[outer dew]

Imagine leveling a tank

And asking if you'll be good

[warm plinth]

We won't be any less capable of completing Mythic+; another spec just might be better for the specific situation of the new affix.

[outer dew]

For the average pop the tank you choose really doesnt matter

[prisma oracle]

im pushing high keys.

[sweet kettle]

if you are pushing high keys then you must already know the answer as to what tank is gonna be better

[prisma oracle]

Yes, paladin 😐

[oblique garnet]

no

[prisma oracle]

it will be, trust me.

[sweet kettle]

no it will not be

trust me

[lunar jackal]

All this talk about "what will be good?" Just play what you like. Ive played prot warr since tbc. Never played another tank since then. Never have never will. I love the class even when it's "garbage". It's a game enjoy playing what you like the most.

[sweet kettle]

^^ playing what you enjoy is always a good thing but we dont talk about what we enjoy

pala has problems that arent going away next patch

so its still not gonna be the best tank

[warm plinth]

Imagine talking about playing what you like when there's a meta you "have to" follow.

😏

[lunar jackal]

I just dont see it sorry. Friends of mine are pushing 23s 24s wih prot pallys and resto shamans as healer

[warm plinth]

jkjk, I totally agree with you hroglar. I wish more people thought that way. But any time you have a competition of sorts, what is the best will always matter.

[lunar jackal]

In my mind meta is just a word to justify why someone doesnt put enough effort in mastering an underdog class

[sweet kettle]

you can push keys with whatever you want we talking about whats the best not what is more enjoyable to the X player

[prisma oracle]

Theres a little to none tanks getting in above 20+ keys if you're not a warrior this patch.

[warm plinth]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

People play what they play. I'll keep playing what I enjoy as well.

[sweet kettle]

@prisma oracle groups

you make a team

pugging 20+ isnt really an option since most people run with teams

[prisma oracle]

I know, but I have a team aswell. But my point is. warrior is so damn superior this patch, was just wondering how it will fare with the new thunderclap nerf and stuff 😃

[sweet kettle]

warrior right now is the best tank overall and it looks like its gonna be the best next patch aswell for m+ that is

[prisma oracle]

I know it will still be good, but im wondering how competitive they will be

Well you just answered my question.

[sweet kettle]

thunderclap nerf isnt that big and with the new neck abilities warrior dmg will go skyhigh

the pure amount of survivability prot warrior has and how low dmg income it has isnt going away

[lunar jackal]

Agreed there are better classes. But there's not a single piece of content unreachable for any class provided you have a brain. The reason you see mostly warriors above 20s is cause people male rankings online and follow them by heart cause they care about it and follow it by heart.

Make not male lol

[sweet kettle]

warrior is better than any tank right now in m+
not because we like to play warrior but because the utility it provides actually matters and affect keys
things like
dmg
aoe stun
st stun
int shout
mobility
cooldowns ( last stand , shield wall)

not alot of tanks can reach 100k + dps in some packs

[prisma oracle]

What is your bet on the tank tier in 8.2? top tier, druid and warriors?

[sick sentinel]

druid???

[brave mauve]

Warrior paladin.

[mortal brook]

Druid will be stronger but not strongest by any means. Any fight you dont need roar or have a windrush for, nah

[sweet kettle]

druid will get stronger for dmg

but he is still a big meatball

[prisma oracle]

Thought druid would be pretty good since reaping is going away, and their damage buff.

[sweet kettle]

reaping isnt the problem druid is bad

[prisma oracle]

it doesnt help them :p

[sick sentinel]

the buffed ER

and then they nerfed it

lmao

[sweet kettle]

ER needs to go off gcd

the button feels useless

[mortal brook]

Fr needs a real cd and not bullshit cd. On or off gcd

[sweet kettle]

they also have way too long cd for bark

[mortal brook]

The rage changes are strong for IF overlap but still not quite there

[oblique garnet]

druid is strong as it is in m+ right now

but even the buffs wont push druid above warrior

[sweet kettle]

nothing will push a tank above warrior

atleast for what we know so far

[mortal brook]

Still waitong to see if hot trub goes live. Gonna be nuts if it does

[oblique garnet]

the only thing i can see what might push something aside warriors is the affix

[sweet kettle]

@mortal brook that will be good

[oblique garnet]

even if hot trub goes live it wont be enough

[sweet kettle]

but depends on how much dmg you are taking and you actually being there and not kitting

but visions of perfection looks too fucking broken right now

[mortal brook]

'why you facetanking so hard brm?' 'bruh im pumpin!'

Im also looking forward to the triple druid meta spammin thorns lol

[oblique garnet]

i always facetank on my brm in m+

kiting is too much of an hassle

when you can just pump damage

[sweet kettle]

only bad tanks run away Late

[oblique garnet]

yes

[inner moth]

how can i do dmg

if i run away

..

[sick sentinel]

Why is @oblique garnet yellow

[crisp egret]

changing the race on my warrior and saw most people play dark iron. does their racial works vs necrotic? 😃

[ionic fern]

Gz @oblique garnet :d

[crisp egret]

im hesitating between gnomie and dwarf

[warm plinth]

Congrats Late

[lusty grotto]

gz late

[sick sentinel]

@crisp egret it does

[warm plinth]

Regular dwarf's racial also works, fwiw

[crisp egret]

great, thank you

[mental scarab]

But did is way cooler and you get more dmg from the racial

🥰🥰

[warm plinth]

You do get the mole machine which is pretty cool. But dwarf heritage is way better imo

If you're into heritage armor

And you can actually get the dwarf heritage with a race change, which you can't with DID

[sick sentinel]

Late is the hero we deserve

To restore balance to #protection

[warm plinth]

I plan on being Stormforged one day. Approximately when hell freezes over. 👍

[ionic fern]

Take my spot. Ez.

[warm plinth]

I'm sure there's some crazy unrealistic requirement attached. Like you have to do content.

And play prot warrior.

Stupid stuff like that.

[ionic fern]

Wow, really?

😮

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I know. Crazy right?

[ionic fern]

Sounds crazy jeah.

😦

[maiden canyon]

for 8.2 season 3, Prot Warrior or Prot pally for best tank?

[jade socket]

Way too early to tell

[maiden canyon]

are there still more class changes coming?

[fathom hollow]

ye

[oblique garnet]

Based on current information the affix will be the biggest indicator as to what will be the best until theres more class tuning

[maiden canyon]

hasn't that been released?

[oblique garnet]

Beguiling is the new affix for Mythic + Season 3. It represents the minions of Queen Azshara invading the dungeons of Kul Tiras and Zandalar. There are three types of handmaidens that will be present in a variety of pulls in different configurations from week to week.
These handmaidens can have shadow, arcane, or frost powers. They have different effects that will change the way you approach certain pulls. Certain pulls that you skip might have to be done this time around.

Pretty much all that is out

Nothing too telling from that

[outer dew]

Oh boi

Ghuuny bois 2.p

2.0

[maiden canyon]

sounds like a more dynamic m+ experience. On top of changing affix's we'll have a 1 of 3 different seasonal affix that'll be random.

[mortal brook]

can't wait to see which faction gets dicked more in Siege by the handmaidens

[maiden canyon]

alliance for sure

[ionic fern]

Stop bullying ALliance. 😦

SoB is horrible on it compared to Horde. 😂

[oblique garnet]

ive never actually seen the alliance side all i know is that theres some hounds?

[mortal brook]

hounds and houndmasters thatll charge your healer and murder their faces off

[ionic fern]

The start mobs are different.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, the hounds are horrible

[ionic fern]

And after the 3rd boss we gotta wait like 20 seconds RP for the gate to open.

[warm plinth]

We also have mobs at the start who do something similar to the steel tempest that 1st boss does on horde. Though obviously that can be avoided.

[mortal brook]

what? the horde gate just opens?

[ionic fern]

JEp.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, they fire a cannon at it almost immediately

[mortal brook]

I still wanted to see siege in the MDI, just for the triple spotter memes

[warm plinth]

I just saw it for the first time on horde the other day. Threw me off lol

[sick sentinel]

the way you do alliance side

is that you get on a water walking mount

and then jump down and do horde side

lmao

[mortal brook]

the horde stone pillar is even in there, but if you use it you start up top anyways =/

[oblique garnet]

Siege wont be in mdi due to imbalance between the sides atleast this season

[mortal brook]

or any season, bet

[oblique garnet]

probably not unless they change both sides to start from the same side

[mortal brook]

but woulda loved to see like, 3 mongo bolstered spotters just one shotting the final boss

then a root going down and the healer getting smashed for 78 million dmg

[warm plinth]

It would have been fun to watch, for sure

[mortal brook]

highlight the absurdities of the dungeon

[strong forum]

tfw need to tank as vdh cuz we have 6 declines for todays raid :pepega:

and nobody who has DH

and forced to bring 3 pugs on stormwall

[unborn island]

anyone got a good WA for when you have an external active on you?

[sweet kettle]

there are alot in wago.io

[fierce juniper]

Best thing to do for that IMO is to make icon WAs for each external, just make it show remaining duration and trigger off the external name. Takes about 10 seconds to make each one, and then just throw them all into a group so they sort themselves.

[sweet kettle]

i use sense one

[sick sentinel]

there is a very good WA called externals on me

I stopped using it because it made my shitty pc lag on jaina

[sweet kettle]

get a better pc

[mortal brook]

ERT should have that as well?

[trim bay]

what trinks should we be using this week fam

[sweet kettle]

you dont need a specific trinket this week

go with your better option

[trim bay]

kk ty

[unborn island]

16 WCM

if I do 26k DPS as tank

but all of the DPS do too

and we miss the timer

(overall)

that's their fault, right?

😛

like, it was WW/Outlaw/Frost

i'd have thought they should all be smashing me by a fair amount

[lusty grotto]

frost 🤔

frost mage?

[unborn island]

(mage)

[lusty grotto]

that's a little low for WW/Outlaw

they should be 30k+

overall

[unborn island]

the person was 1700 IO and in 414 gear

[lusty grotto]

but also depends on how you're pulling

[unborn island]

yeah, i mean

the whole thing went smooth

and i wasn't pulling small (other than the nasty pack at the bottom of the stairs on the sisters side, i pretty much doubled everything up)

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i guess we would have to see a vod or something

[opal mesa]

what are the numbers in the brackets next to attempt number on the logs?

[lusty grotto]

time spent on the fight before dying?

the fight lasted 1 min 34 seconds

[opal mesa]

id think so but that doesnt make sense

the fights that wiped right away are like 9minutes

[lusty grotto]

that's what it is

[opal mesa]

and the best attempts are 1 minute

[timid jay]

wait

wtf

@oblique garnet

?

[sick sentinel]

You're looking at tbe opposite

Late's a big boy now

Golden boy

[lusty grotto]

late needs to change his pfp to Big Bird

[opal mesa]

am i

isnt the bar boss hp

full is dead then?

[oblique garnet]

@timid jay ?

[sick sentinel]

Full when dead

Yes

[lusty grotto]

white on bar is hp reduced

[opal mesa]

yikes

[sick sentinel]

I know I don't like it either

[timid jay]

you're a mangop

mango now

[lusty grotto]

its basically how much dmg you did

[oblique garnet]

yeah i dont know how that happened

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

Was probably a mistake

[oblique garnet]

was reclearing and marok slid into my dms

[lusty grotto]

is marok your sugar daddy now?

:p

[timid jay]

Wait

He actually asked you?

[sick sentinel]

I thought it was a joke when I saw it

[warm plinth]

Wow. Hope you don't have any self-respect or that can be rough.

[lusty grotto]

mission accomplished ☑

[timid jay]

He just promoted me and started spam pinging me in #583801778534088714 at 4am

[oblique garnet]

yeah i heard that i was the first one who he promoted that was actually awake

[warm plinth]

😂

[timid jay]

LUL

[lusty grotto]

haha

[warm plinth]

Wait that can't be true

@undone sun never sleeps 🤔

[timid jay]

He does

[sick sentinel]

As far as I am aware you should not be revealing the existence of that channel

[timid jay]

Only when you dont look

🤖 down for maintenance

[warm plinth]

lolol

#memehold must just be another name for #off-topic

[sick sentinel]

No ghash

It's an actual channel

You just don't have access to it

[warm plinth]

It's cool. I'm not much of a memer

[sick sentinel]

Neither have I, but I know it's tgere

[timid jay]

Its not that exciting

[warm plinth]

It's probably where all the golden bois talk shit on the dumb questions getting asked in here

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[timid jay]

Mainly just SF and valkyr pinging each other when someone is a idiot in spec channels

[warm plinth]

See?

lol

[timid jay]

so yeah

pretty much correct

[lusty grotto]

look nimchip is starting shit again

😄

FOR THE 2ND TIME THIS WEEK

[warm plinth]

They just ping Sal when it gets too ridiculous and that's when he steps in here and goes "the last 48 hours of conversation in here is completely off topic"

[opal mesa]

what are the cooldowns on the relics in whatshisnames fight?>

uunat

[oblique garnet]

Tank one takes 2 minutes, healer 1 minute, dps 30 seconds

But they each have a cd as to how long till the same person can pick it up

[opal mesa]

we keep wiping on it and i feel like we are not using the items to their full potential

[mortal brook]

maybe you shouldn't have delivered the items into the hands of the enemy in the first place then =/

[sick sentinel]

The enemy as in, his raid group

[strong forum]

gratz on the promotion @oblique garnet

[mortal brook]

good definition tbh. opulence has never killed me on opulence, only my raid group not standing where they should 🍭 they are the true enemy

[oblique garnet]

Thank you 😄

[mortal brook]

oh wow, late is stormforged. what an honor. big fan~

[sick sentinel]

Deserved it tbh

[lusty grotto]

🤗

[final mist]

@warm plinth It's never just the last 48 hours, it's when I last appeared in here

[warm plinth]

🤣

Not even wrong. We ❤ you though

[candid ledge]

Is it even worth dropping around 5% haste for this? It's definitely not siming better for aoe/st dps. Not sure about surv

[fierce juniper]

For survivability, yes it would be worth replacing the Haste/Crit ring

[umbral forge]

Hi marok-senpai how are you?

[digital lark]

Hey in m+ aoe vs a physical dmg pack is shield block prio over ignore pain?

[lusty grotto]

of course

[digital lark]

ok thanks also in general should I use both charges before using last stand?

unless needing the health there and then

[lusty grotto]

you should use 3 charges before last stand

[quiet crane]

That’s depending on the sit

But generally what nim said

[lusty grotto]

SB -> wait until it fades -> SB -> wait until it fades -> SB (should be up) -> wait until it fades -> LS

[quiet crane]

E.g you have the option of LS vs SB at 30% hp and mobs are wailing generally safer to use LS

[lusty grotto]

you don't mash SB

[quiet crane]

ONLY because of the heal. But other then that read above ^

[digital lark]

Ok thanks for the info

[quiet crane]

No worries

[umbral forge]

Nim! How are you my man?

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

me good and you

[digital lark]

400 str crit trinket from Ivus darkshore boss or 370 underrot mastery str?

[lusty grotto]

knot

[fierce juniper]

@umbral forge eh

ya know

[lusty grotto]

marok turn that frown upside down.... by looking at your laptop wallpaper

[umbral forge]

Im doing grear

Great

[sick sentinel]

@umbral forge how much have you had

[oblique garnet]

Go to sleep Jettom

[umbral forge]

A bottle of Disaronno, 5 glass of moonshine and orange juice, a liter of 50/50 bacardi razz/sprite

8 breezers

[oblique garnet]

Go to sleep

[lusty grotto]

hows EU moonshine like

[umbral forge]

96%

Im not EU

Im Norwa6

Norway

Hey Late

I respect you as a person, and your yellow name

@oblique garnet you're the coolest Finnish man since White Death

[oblique garnet]

I dont know what to say xD

[umbral forge]

I told Marok how I feel in off topic to not be off topic

:dab:

[willow scarab]

Did you always have a yellow name or is this new

[warm plinth]

He always did. How did you not notice?

[willow scarab]

No clue

I only just noticed because Jettom mentionde it

[undone sun]

Lol

New

[spice ferry]

hey would someone be able to have a look at the prot in these logs and see if he's doing anything majorly wrong?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4JMxAhHRwXtaQvTB/

[warm plinth]

41% of ice shards blocked in the first attempt I looked at. That's definitely not helping.

[sick sentinel]

low shield block uptime, overlapping cds that shouldn't be overlapped. His avatar windows are low

[warm plinth]

Yikes at this shield block uptime. Does he not know Ice Shard is blockable?

[sick sentinel]

I don't think he cares about ice shard that much

more that he just doesn't know how mitigation rotation well

[spice ferry]

whats decent uptime?

on jaina

[sick sentinel]

in a 4ish minute fight

I can reach like 80/90% mitigation uptime

that's with me solo tanking it

and you have to keep in mind you guys are also taunting and switching off tanks so he should have a really high uptime on mitigation of damage

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't worry about uptime specifically but rather the % of blocked hits he has on the main blockable mechanic.

[sick sentinel]

Well that's what I mean

[warm plinth]

I was talking to him actually; just making sure he's not just looking at SB uptime

[sick sentinel]

yeye

[warm plinth]

You're fine :p

But tbh it seems like this guy just...has no idea how to play a warrior

He has 4 Demo shout casts, 3 avatars, 1 last stand, and 39.66% IP uptime in a 5:45 fight

Which is just atrocious

[spice ferry]

and dk is braindead

honestly its why i don't play mine. i know im trash at them

[young marlin]

Doesnt Demo shout have a roughly 20-26 second cd?

Considering AM

[sick sentinel]

I get dumbfounded looking at other warrios at top level lol

[warm plinth]

Something like that yeah

[sick sentinel]

in half a week I know more than these CE players

or people progging on jaina

:/

[warm plinth]

Especially a guild trying to down the last boss of the current main tier. You would think a player at that level would be preparing as much as possible. Not going in (obviously) completely clueless.

[sick sentinel]

Shame lol

I started in antorus, main dps

in a week

I know more

rip

[young marlin]

Might be a silly question but is it better to save Demo shout for an extra 5-8 seconds to line it up with Avatar? Or is that only really helping with damage?

[sick sentinel]

You want it as much uptime as you can

because that one demo shout will bring down avatar by like 10 seconds

[warm plinth]

It doesn't really need to line up perfectly. Demo Shout lasts 14 seconds with DC; Ava is 20 seconds so you have some wiggle room.

[sick sentinel]

He's talking about stacking the damage with avatar

and rage

not really the "timing"

and holding it off for it

I don't think it's worth it

[young marlin]

That is a true point. I do agree with the dumbfounding of "top tier" protection Warriors progging on Jaina xD. I have always just focused on SB uptime and cooldown rotation but never really kept track of LS uptime/SW uptime as much as I focused Demo shout and Avatar optimal usage in M+ so M jaina will be fun

[oblique garnet]

When you are running booming voice you dont want to hold off demoshout you pretty much use in on cd

People do run devastator on jaina for more ST damage though

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah I misunderstood.

[young marlin]

Hmmm devastator for ST on jaina... Let me try that tuesday

[oblique garnet]

It sacrifices rage gen so if you have issues with rage management/generation i dont recommend it

[spice ferry]

how does prot deal with avalanche? he constantly gets frozen

where i never have any issues on the dk

[oblique garnet]

In p1?

[spice ferry]

yeh

[steel mauve]

move out of it?

[oblique garnet]

Charges back to the boss or leaps

[steel mauve]

you shouldnt be able to get frozen in p1 realistically

[spice ferry]

i know this

i think ive been frozen like 3 times in 200 wipes

he gets frozen 4-5 times a night

[oblique garnet]

Also warriors damage taken shouldnt look like that

He is taking more damage from ice shards than the chilling touch

[warm plinth]

Looks like a DK's damage taken XD

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much

[spice ferry]

so whats he doing wrong (or not doing) to cause that

bad shield block/

?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[oblique garnet]

considering on your best pull he took the same amount of damage i took in our rekill

Yeah bad block uptime

[warm plinth]

You can put SB casts and his health spikes next to each other and almost every spike corresponds with a lack of Shield Block

[spice ferry]

can you link me how to see that

im pretty shit at logs

[warm plinth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4JMxAhHRwXtaQvTB/#fight=17&source=88&type=resources&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24168345461.0.0.Warrior%24false%24132404

[oblique garnet]

What was his blocked hits at?

[warm plinth]

Bad.

30s and 40s

[oblique garnet]

Yeah normal is around 80-90

[steel mauve]

tanking for 20 seconds with out a block up doesnt help much either >.>

[quiet crane]

How do tanks like that even make it in mythic groups expecially to that level is my question

[spice ferry]

so he should be able to keep shieldblock up all if not the majority of the time he's tanking jaina then?

[quiet crane]

Definitely

[spice ferry]

he was here when i got here

[quiet crane]

Man... I’d like a shot at CE can’t though cause all my exp is all old and irrelevant now and we got guys like this who don’t know next to nothing lol

[steel mauve]

maybe not 100% of the time, but a 20 second gap of no block/bolster is pretty unacceptable

[quiet crane]

80-90% should be able to hit easily howeve r

If he can’t hit that beijg the last mythic hossnof the tier he’s better off being brew and playing safer

Boss of

[steel mauve]

the one im looking at took 2X280k ice shard hits, a 340k hit and then a 100k damage + overkill

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[quiet crane]

Jesus

Btw was late being stormforged recently a meme

I thought late always was

^ is slow

[warm plinth]

It's recent

[quiet crane]

Oh

I thought he always was

[oblique garnet]

Nah only just recently

[quiet crane]

Oh well gratz then man

[oblique garnet]

Thank you 😃 now i can give advices and maybe people will believe me xD

[quiet crane]

Well they’d be silly not to

Maybe you can convince this one guy in here to take bolster over never surrender he didn’t listen to me lol he’s feely craft to strong

Still argues it from time to time

[vernal stirrup]

bro I don't think I could exist without bolster anymore

getting to chain 3 blocks into bolster into 3 blocks is so useful

[lusty grotto]

its about being lucky finding a team late in the game @quiet crane

god knows i havent been able to lol

[undone sun]

that's what i thought about devastator in legion, then they fucked it @vernal stirrup

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i loved the fact that i didnt have to spam devastate anymore

but at least in bfa you don't use it as much

[young marlin]

So is devastator a decent choice for ST? Enjoyed it in Legion myself

[oblique garnet]

It is for pure ST

[steel mauve]

its a slight ST dps increase, but you lose out on quite a bit of rage gen, and on demand rage

[tulip panther]

i liked me the autopilot, but playing with boom has changed my life

[undone sun]

could have played with both in legion 😭

[vernal stirrup]

I personally don't really like booming voice, it feels so much less interesting than devastator

I'd love for devastator to be better

[oblique garnet]

Booming voice is better by miles in most situations