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exotic spoke
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AMR lol

molten atlas
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we can sim tanks now?

lusty grotto
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but they are getting money for those subs so maybe i don't feel bad

undone sun
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could always, offensively

exotic spoke
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@molten atlas not for survivability

sick sentinel
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yep amr will sim tank defensiveness

molten atlas
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oh

exotic spoke
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No

undone sun
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NotLikeThis

exotic spoke
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No

undone sun
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dont actually use AMR

exotic spoke
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Just ducking no

molten atlas
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i use raidbots

exotic spoke
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You canโ€™t sim survivability

oblique garnet
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@sick sentinel Whats lepans stat prio

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?

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haste vers?

lusty grotto
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amr does riki! haha xD

sick sentinel
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"Mastery=Haste>Versatility>Crit."

stoic pilot
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@molten atlas ๐Ÿ˜‚ memeing with Lepans guide then getting trolled by AMR sims

sick sentinel
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WTF

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IS THIS

oblique garnet
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huh

spice ferry
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Why is every big name player a retard

molten atlas
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Haste > Versatility >= Mastery > Critical Strike = Strength

spice ferry
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With stats

stoic pilot
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Thereโ€™s a reason why Lepan barely pushes with anyone anymore

oblique garnet
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in m+ the stat prio is Haste=Crit>Vers=Mastery=STR

lusty grotto
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i wouldnt say lepan is a big name player

exotic spoke
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For m+ crit is higher

stoic pilot
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Cuz he doesnโ€™t play warrior well

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Dk played itself

spice ferry
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A well known player then

undone sun
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honestly didn't even know who he was until that guide surfaced

spice ferry
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People know lepan

lusty grotto
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yeah i mean not all of them are

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naowh

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is ๐Ÿ‘Œ

molten atlas
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LOL

oblique garnet
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naowh changed to crit haste because of me

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I made him : (

exotic spoke
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Who the fuck is he? I still do t know

spice ferry
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But does naowh go around saying what stats to run?

lusty grotto
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i mean he does interact with people on stream

molten atlas
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just listen to asmongold

lusty grotto
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im not 100% sure if he does "guides" though

molten atlas
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he'll train you good

stoic pilot
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@oblique garnet did you swap fully to crit gems? Cuz I tried simming crit setup and the only spot that it came out as an overall increase was weapon enchant

oblique garnet
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naowh doesnt do guides no

sick sentinel
oblique garnet
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@stoic pilot No i did not because i dont have many sockets

molten atlas
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does give stats to allies??

stoic pilot
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It ended up being like

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Haste enchants on rings and deadly nav on wep

molten atlas
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stack tradewinds + jes howler

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ezy clapa

oblique garnet
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mine simmed higher with crit enchants on weapon and rings with crit gems

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got to 20010 dps in patchwerk

lusty grotto
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who wants to see nimchy stream with riki

stoic pilot
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Single target?

oblique garnet
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yeah

sick sentinel
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I'm quick nav with crit enchants and crit gems

stoic pilot
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I think I got to like 19.6

oblique garnet
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Would be better but still rocking 410 weapon

stoic pilot
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Yeah same

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Been extending on Jaina no chance at better weps zzz

neon tangle
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If you loook at bloodmallet the "ideal" distribution involves a little haste, you probably are right on the edge of how much haste it wants you to have

oblique garnet
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Unlucky

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You can kill jaina soon i believe

stoic pilot
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Oh we did the other night finally

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Finally reclear inc

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Next week

molten atlas
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pssh

oblique garnet
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Are you EU by any chance?

lusty grotto
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i believe too!

molten atlas
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you need that LFR in you boies

lusty grotto
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chef nimchip believes in you

stoic pilot
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Me? No Iโ€™m NA

oblique garnet
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oh

stoic pilot
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Alliance NA

molten atlas
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easy jaina fights

stoic pilot
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2x meme

oblique garnet
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its just because the guild im on my shammy got CE like the other day aswell XD

lusty grotto
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gz late!

oblique garnet
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thank you thank you

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was playing resto dps

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did 17k dps ๐Ÿค”

sick sentinel
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to be fair with lepan

lusty grotto
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the only spec

stoic pilot
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Our holy pally did like 13k dps in phase 3

sick sentinel
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he wrote the guide before the testing was done

molten atlas
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shaman resto spec

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does so much damage

spice ferry
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Yeh itโ€™s dumb

undone sun
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you can always update guides...

lusty grotto
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resto dps is โค

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resto dps is life

oblique garnet
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I was so lost tbh

sick sentinel
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and he the idea of "block softcap" came from stacking mastery

oblique garnet
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Ive played ele so much all my binds were fucked

molten atlas
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im leveling a shaman in resto

exotic spoke
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Resto sham?

molten atlas
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cause it 2 shots thiings

exotic spoke
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@lusty grotto lets get going. I have Civ to play

sick sentinel
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but still

stoic pilot
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Yeah doesnโ€™t their lava burst just hit harder baseline?

lusty grotto
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im on

oblique garnet
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yeah

exotic spoke
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Excellent

oblique garnet
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where elementals lavaburst hits 30k ish restos hits 50k

molten atlas
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all theiir offence spells do

exotic spoke
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Iโ€™ll invite in a moment

molten atlas
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its dumb af

lusty grotto
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a random Cosmo is typing

stoic pilot
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Thatโ€™s insane

timid jay
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no u

lusty grotto
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you got me

timid jay
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was gonna ask if elemental got the rework they said they would get in 8.1

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but then I remembered how much effort they put into fucking up specs in BfA

oblique garnet
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Elemental is amazing rn

lusty grotto
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i โค elemental

sick sentinel
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elemental blasts

oblique garnet
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but im rerolling into enhancement

timid jay
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was it enha maybe?

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was one of the dps specs that was so fucked

oblique garnet
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nono

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it was ele

molten atlas
oblique garnet
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i actually wanted to do that and stream 20+ keys while playing on a controller

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my friends didnt let me

timid jay
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just dont tell them

molten atlas
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they wont notice

oblique garnet
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They will

molten atlas
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if your a ret paladin

oblique garnet
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i was gonna do it on my warrior

worn vine
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honestly you could play prot warrior with one

sick sentinel
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you play prot warrior only two buttons anyway

molten atlas
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not true you need to keyboard turn

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thats atleast 10 buttons

sick sentinel
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how is 2 + strafe-left + forward + strafe-right 10

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no wonder you play a prot warrior

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cant even count

molten atlas
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^^^^^^

oblique garnet
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wdym 2 buttons?

sick sentinel
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CLAP

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SB

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EZ

molten atlas
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you mean

undone sun
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๐Ÿ˜ก not hiding preview

oblique garnet
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and now you have no rage because you are not using demoshout, shield slam, devastate to reset shield slam

molten atlas
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alt + F4

timid jay
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@undone sun implying most discord users know how to do it

undone sun
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always time to learn

timid jay
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||if you read this u gay LMAO||

sick sentinel
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fucking cosmo man

timid jay
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:^)

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Just had to read the spoiler

worn vine
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i can play bear with a damn race wheel

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you could play warrior with a wiimote though

undone sun
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||no u|| @timid jay

timid jay
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short

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so no u?

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no thats too long

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it was no u

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๐Ÿ‘

undone sun
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๐Ÿ‘

molten atlas
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"clap"

timid jay
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no u

molten atlas
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fuck.

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so

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im reading maroks guide

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blood siphon is S teir

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must be the leech

sick sentinel
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lmao

timid jay
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tbh just get siphoning

sick sentinel
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cosmo pls

timid jay
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pls

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just remember to get 4set

sick sentinel
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leech mate xd

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2.1% leech

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basically as much as a health as a healthpot

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from an avatar

timid jay
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just get 100%

sick sentinel
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easy

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let me get some 425+s well

timid jay
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just get max ilvl titanforges with socket and leech

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ez

sick sentinel
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for real though, I miss my 8% avoidance from 2x415 avoidance rings+ gemhide

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was cool in the left wing of manor

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with the cleaves

potent anvil
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i can run a 3x gemhide setup for huge avoidance deswind

timid jay
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thats not leech

potent anvil
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true

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but thats 16.75% avoidance

timid jay
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is avoidance still busted

sick sentinel
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wait

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doesn't avoidance cap

soft kindle
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20%

sick sentinel
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I was told it was 10%

timid jay
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20% or so

sick sentinel
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oh

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the boomie in my s1 group had like 13% avoidance just wearing his normal gear

timid jay
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had a healer running ~18% avoidance and ~10% leech on argus prog

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in his normal gear

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xd

sick sentinel
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it was legion tho

potent anvil
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Avoidance caps at 20% still

sick sentinel
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when item proced with leech or avoidance it gave you like %5

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right now it gives %2 max

potent anvil
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But I dunno how useful it is this time around in general.

timid jay
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yeah it was end of expansion

sick sentinel
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right now not so much at lesat for m+

timid jay
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much easier getting high%

sick sentinel
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WCM cleave hurts :C

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most damage you take is ST

timid jay
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warcraft movies

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pog

sick sentinel
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but i think it helps on couple bosses

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or some adds yeah xd

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but yeah with damage numbers going higher and having way higher leech numbers from items might make it worth at the end of xpac

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but even then i dont think so

oblique garnet
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why are eu tanks who do keys at night around 16 -17 range so fucking bad

sick sentinel
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lol

timid jay
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people doing keys at 3am

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what do you expect

sweet kettle
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cause its late my dude

sick sentinel
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it's @oblique garnet my dude

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sorry

sweet kettle
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omg

sick sentinel
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||not actually sorry||

soft kindle
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I demand only the highest of quality from my degen greek tanks at 3am

sweet kettle
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@soft kindle trust me you dont want to see me tank at this hour

lusty grotto
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lmao

sick sentinel
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me neither tbh

toxic wadi
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for dungeon bosses, should I use shield block or ignore pain to mitigate PHYSICAL boss abilities?

lusty grotto
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shield block

soft kindle
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Shield block

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then read a guide

timid jay
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depends if they are BLOCKABLE or not

toxic wadi
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^ exactly what I was thinking

lusty grotto
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๐Ÿ˜„

timid jay
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some MAGIC damage can be BLOCKED

toxic wadi
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shield block may not do anything

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ok

timid jay
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and some PHYSICAL damage cant be BLOCKED

lusty grotto
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cosmo is right

sick sentinel
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there are 3 places where you don't mitigate stuff with shield block

soft kindle
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Cosmo, cease

lusty grotto
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read up on it

soft kindle
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plz

timid jay
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cease life

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๐Ÿ˜ก

sick sentinel
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2 last bosses ML

soft kindle
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Ceasing

sick sentinel
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and shadow of zul

timid jay
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uninstall your life

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๐Ÿ˜ก

sick sentinel
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everywhere else

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use shield block

soft kindle
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alt-f4'd

timid jay
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nice

lusty grotto
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lol

sick sentinel
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@soft kindle end task

lusty grotto
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so toxic gasp

sick sentinel
soft kindle
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๐Ÿ˜ƒ ๐Ÿ”ซ

lusty grotto
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just gonna put this over here naeno

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backing away

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slowly

soft kindle
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wait what magic damage can you block btw @timid jay

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I feel like I'm missing something

oblique garnet
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like the awarness on these people

timid jay
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jaina?

oblique garnet
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is just

soft kindle
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You're

primal sable
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thats not magic tho

timid jay
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idk

soft kindle
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garbage

timid jay
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I dont play bfa

lusty grotto
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r u streaming late

oblique garnet
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no

sweet kettle
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its not ,agical

oblique garnet
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im doing keys with friend

lusty grotto
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hmm

sweet kettle
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magical

soft kindle
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Unfollowed @timid jay

toxic wadi
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shoudl I mitigate quaking with shield block or ignore pain?

timid jay
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Like you followed in the first place

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you cant block quaking

soft kindle
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Straight up trailed you before now

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bonds have been broken

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shattered, I daresay

lusty grotto
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but did you dislike all your comments on his profile first

timid jay
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xd

lusty grotto
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also downvoted to neutral on reddit

soft kindle
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Reported for sexism

timid jay
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I only get gambling adds and cheat accusations on my steam profile

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xd

oblique garnet
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@sick sentinel This dude is from kazzak XD

exotic spoke
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I used to get a bunch of trade offers on my steam profile

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when I had like 4K in csgo items on there

timid jay
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how many of them were legit

exotic spoke
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before I cashed out

timid jay
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and not people trying to scam

exotic spoke
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Probably not many

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I just sold them on OPskins after I won them on gambling sites lol

oblique garnet
dark lark
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Pick 2: 410 Idol, 415 Alchemist Stone, 410 Jes, 410 Vial, 410 Socketed Butcher's Block, 400 Rezan (lol)

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mainly do M+

exotic spoke
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I got lucky and cashed out at the right time cosmo

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Made about 2.5k profit

dark lark
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just picked up idol

timid jay
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I never had very much money in skins

exotic spoke
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@dark lark Do you hate your raid team / grou/

timid jay
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at most 100โ‚ฌ or so

exotic spoke
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group*

dark lark
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absolutely

exotic spoke
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Good man - use idol and murder them

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for the memes

dark lark
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what about second trinket?

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currently running vial/socketed butcher block

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keep going with butcher block with the idol?

exotic spoke
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In all honesty - do you feel you need more survivability>?

soft kindle
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Jes is good for pushing, Vial is nutty for big pulls, block is just good

dark lark
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not really, i use the vial as a dps trinket with avatar

exotic spoke
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If I'm being honest - and you dont need survivability - Block / Vial

soft kindle
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Idol is pretty high on demand healing, but I'm not sold on it yet for prot at least

oblique garnet
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it feels clunky

exotic spoke
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@soft kindle I agree. I have one. I enjoy it from time to time. Its just for the memes imo

sick sentinel
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I'd go block+alchemy trinket

oblique garnet
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kage stop copying me :))

sick sentinel
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???

exotic spoke
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Ironically - I'd be more likely to use idol over diamon in m+ for necrotic weeks

timid jay
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@undone sun you still have the old legion block/reflect sheet?

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or is it gone?

exotic spoke
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Combine that with dwarf to get an instant large necrotic free heal

soft kindle
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:thyme:

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'ivit back

exotic spoke
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IF i needed defensives and memes

undone sun
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Should be somewhere in my Google account

oblique garnet
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Cosmo you bought battalion 1944 yet?

timid jay
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no

undone sun
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I don't think I deleted it

oblique garnet
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๐Ÿ˜ก

dark lark
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@sick sentinel you say block + alch, so forget the on use trinket?

sick sentinel
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Yes

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Passives all the way

soft kindle
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Vial is pumper tho ๐Ÿ˜ก

oblique garnet
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there arent many good on use trinkets

sick sentinel
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Meth

undone sun
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Nothing wrong with having no on uses

sick sentinel
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Look

oblique garnet
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vial isnt really good

sick sentinel
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There is a very high chance

timid jay
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Why do I have a spreadsheet for RMT from a NA guild

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๐Ÿค”

undone sun
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Lol

sick sentinel
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This lad with macro vial with avatar

undone sun
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I know why

timid jay
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oh

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right

undone sun
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Yeah

timid jay
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I remember now

sick sentinel
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Therefore losing 1 sec from a 6 sec trinket

timid jay
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looking at the money I feel like I should have done RMT as well

undone sun
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Right...

toxic wadi
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how should i mitigate quaking?

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use ignore pain?

undone sun
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That guils is dead now so not a big loss

soft kindle
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It's 18s you mongo ๐Ÿ˜ก

sick sentinel
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@toxic wadi yes

timid jay
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that or SW/LS

lusty grotto
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you can IP yes

timid jay
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about your only options

toxic wadi
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kk

soft kindle
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You just eat it ๐Ÿคท

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quaking isn't that bad

timid jay
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DS wont work since you cant apply the debuff to anything

undone sun
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Isn't quaking % based on health

sick sentinel
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@soft kindle the last 9 sec don't do anything

timid jay
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yeh, DR's work though

lusty grotto
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i mean quaking is bad when you're getting railed by fort mobs

timid jay
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not armor

undone sun
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So LS would make it tic harder

lusty grotto
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but at that point you're already rolling IPs

timid jay
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yeah but you have more raw health

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to survive the mobs

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xd

lusty grotto
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โ˜‘

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lol

timid jay
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๐Ÿ—ณ

sick sentinel
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Also, talking about trinkets still

lusty grotto
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๐Ÿ†

sick sentinel
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If you're pushing

undone sun
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Found it

soft kindle
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Say it

soft kindle
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Say it Unyun

sick sentinel
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You should be healthpotting

timid jay
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I need to request access

soft kindle
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nevermind

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you ruined it

undone sun
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Oh

lusty grotto
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what is this thyme

undone sun
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Hmmm

lusty grotto
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are you hacking my internets

undone sun
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The Sr sheet I worked on for legion

sick sentinel
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So like, the 40% more is vuluable

lusty grotto
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yep hacking my internets

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i remember it

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also the pic of the leggos

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or was it a copy paste

timid jay
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AH

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@soft kindle blockable magic damage

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corrupting and burning maw

undone sun
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I can't seem to find the permissions on mobile for sheets

timid jay
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EZ

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it worked now

undone sun
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Good

soft kindle
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wait, felhounds?

timid jay
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yeh

oblique garnet
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Round 2 fight

timid jay
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oh right

soft kindle
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I thought you knew something I didn't about bfa shit

undone sun
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Misstress, fel hounds, and KJ had blockable magic damage

soft kindle
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had me tweakin

timid jay
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the shadow auto attacking worms on mistress

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I dont play BFA so I wouldnt know about that

soft kindle
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That's why I was so confused

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How's he know shit I don'

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t

undone sun
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He's they smart

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That

soft kindle
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he's thyme smart

undone sun
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Cosmo was a ranked TC, were you

oblique garnet
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Lets hope this tank is better than last

lusty grotto
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lmao

sick sentinel
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Remember AM checks?

soft kindle
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I joined the server, like two months later he's brown and quit the game

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f

undone sun
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Oh boy

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Lol

timid jay
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Tbf, I was the meme TC

lusty grotto
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what you doin late

undone sun
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Officially meme TC

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For like 2 weeks

lusty grotto
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pugging keys?

soft kindle
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Why would you say that

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real orange in my heart

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mad naeno shit

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from ex color boys

undone sun
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It was confirmed by the higher ups ๐Ÿ˜œ

lusty grotto
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top men

timid jay
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sthap

soft kindle
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Marok's a meme ๐Ÿ˜ก

timid jay
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I mean

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You're not wrong

warm plinth
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๐Ÿ‘‹

undone sun
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๐Ÿค

toxic wadi
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In the combat log, when I see "absorbed" vs "blocked", does absorbed mean ignore pain did the mitigation?

timid jay
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yes

undone sun
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Yes

sick sentinel
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yes

toxic wadi
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ty

sick sentinel
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fuck slow

timid jay
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It can be block + absorb fwiw

soft kindle
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You can both absorb and block something

sick sentinel
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yeah

soft kindle
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You've got layers

toxic wadi
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block and absorb meaning?

sick sentinel
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every blockable damage can be also mitigated with IP

soft kindle
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basically irish

warm plinth
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Like an onion?

timid jay
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Block is a % damage reduction

sick sentinel
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but if you can block something first prio is block

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always

timid jay
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absorb is just flat damage absorbed

sick sentinel
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if you cant then dont even cast it

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just use IP

timid jay
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say you take 100 damage

sick sentinel
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like ML 3rd boss or forth boss

timid jay
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say you have 50% DR from block and a 50 absorb

soft kindle
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meaning you can both block an attack with SB, and absorb the same attack with IP. Not big brain problems

timid jay
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the 50% dr will reduce that damage to 50 and then the 50 absorb will make you take 0 damage

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ez

lusty grotto
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napkin math bad

soft kindle
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You're bad

lusty grotto
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ip only absorbs 50% dmg

soft kindle
toxic wadi
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oh ok

lusty grotto
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so it would be 25

warm plinth
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He's talking about absorbs in general. I thought the same thing at first.

lusty grotto
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YES BUCKETLIST

oblique garnet
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im helping friend with a weekly on his alt

lusty grotto
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i corrected cosmo

timid jay
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I never said IP

lusty grotto
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โ˜‘

timid jay
#

๐Ÿ˜ก

sick sentinel
#

well there is also armor and versa that absorbs damage so

warm plinth
#

Cosmo is never wrong.

sick sentinel
#

but it isnt complicated

warm plinth
#

So you can't ever correct him.

timid jay
#

armor and versa doesnt absorb in that sense

sick sentinel
#

cosmo ๐Ÿ’ข

timid jay
#

they are % DR

lusty grotto
#

it didn't happen ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

sick sentinel
#

yeah not absorb

lusty grotto
#

was it a dream

timid jay
#

it helps being clear that absorb isnt a %DR

warm plinth
#

Keep trying Nim. We believe in you.

lusty grotto
#

my io isn't high enough ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

warm plinth
#

Only 2800 ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

#

Scrub tier

sick sentinel
#

Lmao

lusty grotto
#

sigh

timid jay
#

absorbs are flat amounts while %DR are just that, percentages

#

(Yes IP is a flat amount even though half bleeds through)

lusty grotto
#

where balsaq at

neon tangle
#

@timid jay what about will of the necropolis ?

timid jay
#

hopefully safe in my underwear

willow scarab
#

It could be viewed as a half strength absorb or as a 50% DR for X damage

lusty grotto
#

lmao

willow scarab
#

Itโ€™s the same spell either way

timid jay
#

WoTN if it hasnt changed is more of a % health increase

willow scarab
#

This discord argues about anything

timid jay
#

guess that goes for any %DR

lusty grotto
#

๐Ÿฟ

neon tangle
#

WoTN is an absorb

soft kindle
#

no we don't @willow scarab

timid jay
#

but its the easiest way of looking at WoTN

soft kindle
#

shutup

timid jay
#

WoTN is still take % less damage when under x% hp right?

warm plinth
#

Yeah

neon tangle
#

It's basically a DR% under x% health

timid jay
#

its a %DR, just reported as a absorb for some reason

#

Its just quirky, its still a %DR

warm plinth
#

Are you still playing bdk sadbox?

neon tangle
#

(it's so that it doesn't make DS heal less)

timid jay
#

makes sense

lusty grotto
#

sadbox is a rogue boi

neon tangle
#

@warm plinth naw

#

I'm a stabby boi now

#

my old guild died so I retired from tanking

sick sentinel
#

So basically , it's just more EHP

timid jay
#

classic is coming out soon so its no longer rogue

#

its rouge in classic

sick sentinel
#

classic btw

timid jay
#

@sick sentinel well that goes for all %DR and absorbs

lusty grotto
#

jesus lmao

neon tangle
#

@sick sentinel it's a little better than that since it also results in bigger DS-es

sick sentinel
#

Wait no

soft kindle
#

Gonna buy a lvl 60 boost when classic comes out ๐Ÿ™ƒ

sick sentinel
#

It's just more total hp

timid jay
#

EHP is your total hp * DR

#

or well

#

(hp+absorb)*DR

warm plinth
#

I will legit laugh out loud if they do level boosts for classic

sick sentinel
#

Yeah but like, if it doesn't make ds heal less

#

Then it's not dr

timid jay
#

yeah

toxic wadi
#

there is a difference between blocked, absorbed, and damage reduction right?:

lusty grotto
#

they are being anal about there not being any modern shop shit, but you bet your butt it'll happen

undone sun
#

yes

warm plinth
#

Uh...yes and no

timid jay
#

@toxic wadi block is a damage reduction now

toxic wadi
#

kk

timid jay
#

It works the same way as armor

neon tangle
#

I'm happy my plan to derail this conversion with the weirdness of WoTN was successful

undone sun
#

it's a bit complex

#

the differences

toxic wadi
#

this is what makes warrior tanking hard

#

you don't nkow when to use shield block over ignore pain

willow scarab
#

Hahaa

undone sun
#

well

sick sentinel
#

Every time

undone sun
#

no

lusty grotto
#

honestly you don't need to figure out the differences between those

warm plinth
#

Literally always.

undone sun
#

ip is trash

#

sb is not

#

ez

warm plinth
#

Except if you're taking zero blockable damage

timid jay
#

Rule of thumb for shield block is if someone is attacking you with a sword

#

use SB

undone sun
#

use ip as a rage dump

willow scarab
#

What if theyโ€™re using fists

#

Or an axe

timid jay
#

then you're fucked

#

unlucky mate

neon tangle
#

It depends on their weapon skill

willow scarab
#

๐Ÿค’๐Ÿค•

toxic wadi
#

but to mitigate boss abilites, I have to use ignore pain right?

sick sentinel
#

@timid jay what if he uses an axe

timid jay
#

and your defense skill

#

No

lusty grotto
#

no

warm plinth
#

Literally the only two times in this expansion (that I'm aware of) that you would not prioritize SB over IP is 3rd and 4th boss of Motherlode.

timid jay
#

A lot of boss abilities are blockable

sick sentinel
#

SHIT

willow scarab
#

Depends what boss ability

timid jay
#

I'd wager the majority are

sick sentinel
#

I WAS SLOW

soft kindle
#

"was"

lusty grotto
#

this is kinda simple-ish @toxic wadi, do you understand what melee damage is? kind of?

sick sentinel
#

oh fuck you meth

timid jay
#

Wasnt there a blockable/reflectable sheet for BfA ๐Ÿค”

lusty grotto
#

like when you get slapped around

sick sentinel
#

Typing on the phone is hard

toxic wadi
#

@lusty grotto Get hit with melee weapon?

warm plinth
#

There is one, yes.

neon tangle
#

@sick sentinel This is what you get for stacking crit instead of haste

warm plinth
lusty grotto
#

not specifically with a melee weapon

timid jay
#

Smh

#

Marok really hates pins

warm plinth
#

But honestly it sounds like this guy is new to the game.

lusty grotto
#

just a melee hit..

undone sun
#

right cosmo

willow scarab
#

I think we are gonna crib stack 8.2 and if not then we wil lin 8.3

warm plinth
#

Or just really new to tanking maybe without having paid much attention to tank things before

willow scarab
#

Haste is already so high base

#

Crit

lusty grotto
#

so if a mob hits you with melee damage, SB will always work against it (but you can Ignore Pain on top of it to reduce more damage)

#

@toxic wadi

sick sentinel
#

Crit is life

lusty grotto
#

well not always but

#

95% of the times

willow scarab
#

I feel you

sick sentinel
#

@willow scarab I memed with deadly nav during necro

willow scarab
#

425 haste crit bracers from raid this week thank I blizzard

#

I went full crit gems and all for necrotic

sick sentinel
#

It was not actually that bad

lusty grotto
#

and if a mob is casting a spell, SB kind of does nothing against it... more like a general rule of thumb

neon tangle
#

@sick sentinel Maybe you could enchant your keyboard with gale force striking so that you have a chance to respond faster

lusty grotto
#

so you use IP there

warm plinth
#

OOOOOOOH

lusty grotto
#

and demo shout

sick sentinel
#

Lmao

timid jay
#

OH

#

wait

#

actually

undone sun
#

oh

toxic wadi
#

oh ok thanks

timid jay
#

Can bosses parry your abilities in BfA?

#

they cant right?

undone sun
#

don't think so

warm plinth
#

Nah I don't think so

willow scarab
#

Expertise left like 7 years ago

timid jay
#

I FIGURED OUT WHY PARRY HASTE IS GONE

#

AAAAAAAAAAAA

warm plinth
#

What's expertise

undone sun
#

lol

warm plinth
#

Kidding

timid jay
#

How have I not realized this yet

#

It was never gone

warm plinth
#

Because meme TC

timid jay
#

Just that you couldnt get parried anymore

toxic wadi
#

now what about boss abilities that are physical, melee, but unblockable? Does shield block reduce their damage?

timid jay
#

no

undone sun
#

pseudo removal

timid jay
#

if its unblockable shield block does nothing

soft kindle
#

hence, unblockable

toxic wadi
#

oh ok

timid jay
#

Hmm

lusty grotto
#

there are little if no type of abilities like that

sick sentinel
#

@timid jay I'm pretty sure that my executes have been parried as fury

#

Don't quote me on this

#

Please

timid jay
#

as dps it should still be a thing

willow scarab
#

Bring back execute as prot

soft kindle
#

obviously bosses can parry dps

#

he meant for tanks

#

you meme

willow scarab
#

I wanna execute bladedtorm again

sick sentinel
#

Oh

timid jay
#

Mby parry haste is gone anyway

#

so you dont get fucked by melee getting parried

#

Anyone wants to go test if you can still get crushing blows if a mob is 4 levels higher than you?

#

xd

lusty grotto
#

lol

#

im free

#

let me check

timid jay
#

Good luck finding a lvl 124 mob

willow scarab
#

Raid mobs

timid jay
#

are 123

lusty grotto
#

i have a 111

soft kindle
#

scaling is a bitch

timid jay
#

Wouldnt surprise me if its completely gone

soft kindle
#

๐Ÿ™ƒ

willow scarab
#

Are they really? Thatโ€™s news to me

timid jay
#

Hasnt been a thing since TBC really

#

all bosses are max level +3

#

essentially

lusty grotto
#

there is a place near FH that has 120 lvl mobs

soft kindle
#

Pog

lusty grotto
#

even if you're 111

soft kindle
#

go get crushed

lusty grotto
#

going

#

for science

timid jay
#

Not that it matters at all

#

xd

sick sentinel
#

You'll get demolished

timid jay
#

would be interesting if the mobs could even crit you

toxic wadi
#

now when we block damage, what is happening is damage is being reduced

timid jay
#

yes

toxic wadi
#

kk

timid jay
#

The exact amount is block value/(block value + k)

#

Where K is a constant depending on what content you're doing

toxic wadi
#

oh

#

and all magic damage should be mitigated using primarily ignore pain?

timid jay
lusty grotto
#

or 2 times that if you crit block of course

toxic wadi
#

I get it

undone sun
#

๐Ÿšฟ

#

nice leaks

timid jay
#

The formulae is the exact same for armor, just replace block value with armor

#

I mean

#

WHere else are the K values that nicely listed

#

๐Ÿ˜ก

undone sun
#

kidding, that's where i get mine as well

#

but just copying it ๐Ÿ™ƒ

toxic wadi
#

kk

#

Warrior tanking is complex

timid jay
#

Not really, its usually quite clear whats blockable and what isnt

#

Most things that are reduced by armor should be blockable

toxic wadi
#

kk

timid jay
#

For the single reason of balance, all other tanks really get armor from their AM while warriors get block

soft kindle
#

Cosmo's just throwing a lot of information at you that you don't need to know

timid jay
#

wouldnt make sense to leave one tank without effective defense

soft kindle
#

because he's mean

timid jay
#

Im good at that

soft kindle
#

Choke on my knowledge

sick sentinel
#

Hot

willow scarab
#

Someone saying warriors are hard makes me feel good because Iโ€™m good at warrior

soft kindle
#

ffs

toxic wadi
#

What is AM?

timid jay
#

active mitigation

soft kindle
#

active mitigation

undone sun
#

either active mitigation or anger management

toxic wadi
#

ah ok

undone sun
#

depends on context

willow scarab
#

Active mitigation like shield block and ignore pain

timid jay
#

so like shield block for warriors, iron fur for druids and SoTR for paladins

#

and so on

undone sun
#

yeh

toxic wadi
#

oh ok

sick sentinel
#

Anger Management checks

soft kindle
#

Hush, mongo

timid jay
#

Thats what your phycologist does

lusty grotto
#

calm down manki

#

xD

timid jay
#

manki

oblique garnet
#

hallelujah

#

the warrior knew how to play

timid jay
#

havent heard that since david was active

soft kindle
#

Todu's kept it alive for the most part

#

it's p much the pet name for arms warriors

sick sentinel
#

Arms are mankis and furies are mongos

lusty grotto
#

yup

#

ok so apparently

#

i need to get some resources lmao

sick sentinel
#

Hence my week aura "don't release you fucking mongo"

lusty grotto
#

ill be done in 4 hours

timid jay
#

I wonder if I still have my copy pasta about how DR's work from back in legion..

#

was such a common question back then

lusty grotto
#

there were a lot of copy pastes in legion

sick sentinel
#

I have one of my own

#

For bfa

undone sun
#

tbh i don't even remember what it said @timid jay

#

think there was just a point where i blacked out in legion

timid jay
#

Just explaining why bastion was so good

#

pretty much

#

People didnt understand why going from 86% to 88% crit blocks was huge

undone sun
#

ah right

lusty grotto
undone sun
#

Pog

timid jay
#

That one was several times every day

undone sun
#

i remember that one

lusty grotto
#

i had it saved!

soft kindle
#

Yellow

#

Pog

lusty grotto
undone sun
#

lol yeah

#

๐Ÿคฃ

timid jay
#

people argued over the stupidest stuff

undone sun
#

Prime Legion

timid jay
#

I'm sure getting better secondary stats is worth losing 120% more rage over

#

xd

lusty grotto
timid jay
#

I actually liked FR

#

just the rest sucked

undone sun
#

i sucked at it

#

ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

timid jay
#

getting those phat SS crits and it being off GCD was real nice for weaving

undone sun
#

early legion was not my best

#

ngl

timid jay
#

same

lusty grotto
#

i just would have preferred HS over it

timid jay
#

I was actually garbage in EN

undone sun
#

same

#

didn't take advantage of how broken IP was for that first 2 weeks of EN

timid jay
#

I rerolled after the nerf

undone sun
#

at most 2 weeks

timid jay
#

I was so smart

undone sun
#

lol

timid jay
#

Tbf I was playing BDK in EN

#

not sure if that even classified as a tank

lusty grotto
#

hold on guys only 100 war resources to go

timid jay
#

I'm holding on

#

I'm ready

undone sun
#

๐Ÿ˜ฐ

lusty grotto
#

hmm i seem to have found mobs that follow you forever

toxic wadi
#

why do warriors have a block ability and not just an "increase armor" ability like paladins?

#

i guess it makes it more challenging

junior ivy
#

hi

undone sun
#

๐Ÿ‘‹

lusty grotto
#

thats the way the class was designed

toxic wadi
#

oh

lusty grotto
#

blocking is kind of the same as armor now

#

it follows the same formula

toxic wadi
#

oh

timid jay
#

Well, it follows the same formulae but its multiplicative instead of just adding more armor

#

negligible difference but its there

#

Might get noticeable late in the expansion if other tanks start hitting armor cap

toxic wadi
#

Are warriors weak without a self heal?

#

aside from victory rush

timid jay
#

Not really

#

warriors mitigate a lot

toxic wadi
#

oh

timid jay
#

Easiest way to compare is vs DK's

undone sun
#

warrior specializes in proactive mitigation rather than reactive like almost every other tank

#

but, that does make it a bit more punishing if you mess up the proactivity

toxic wadi
#

oh ok

#

like disc priest

lusty grotto
#

ya proactive like disc priest

timid jay
#

Extremely simplified explanation is, a warrior and a DK takes 100 incoming damage. The warrior mitigates 70% of that and takes 30 damage, the DK mitigates 30% and takes 70 damage but then heals up 40 afterwards getting him to 70 hp

lusty grotto
#

alright i found lvl 120 mobs

toxic wadi
#

ah I Get it

lusty grotto
#

and i got 2 shotted

undone sun
#

nice

timid jay
#

Its all a numbers game, doesnt really matter how you stay alive in the end, just how well you do it

lusty grotto
#

let me swap to bear

oblique garnet
#

I witnessed a new legend

lusty grotto
oblique garnet
#

Lad was completely oblivious about dungeon mechanics

timid jay
#

I dont think ranged attacks could be crushing blows

oblique garnet
#

However he knew how to play warrior

lusty grotto
#

hmm let me find a melee mob

oblique garnet
#

And he did good

lusty grotto
#

are you pugging or something Late?

oblique garnet
#

Yeah we did a weekly for my friends alt

lusty grotto
#

cool cool

oblique garnet
#

600 io legend

lusty grotto
#

fuck why is it red

timid jay
#

would you look at that

#

crushing blows is still a thing

lusty grotto
timid jay
#

Just get more Defense on your gear

lusty grotto
#

science perseveres

timid jay
#

๐Ÿ‘

lusty grotto
#

lmao

#

defense wow

timid jay
#

Feels like they've done their best to make the attack table really not matter anymore

oblique garnet
#

Also cosmo shouldnt you be sleeping its 4 am in sweden

timid jay
#

@soft kindle Patch 3.0.2 (14-Oct-2008): Magic-damage melee auto-attacks can now be blocked.
Such as those done by Combat 15 [??] Ragnaros.

undone sun
#

๐Ÿคฃ

timid jay
#

Shouldnt you be sleeping

lusty grotto
#

rip meth

timid jay
#

its 5 in suomi

oblique garnet
#

No because im a degenerate

timid jay
#

oh ok

undone sun
#

what makes you think cosmo isnt

oblique garnet
#

Ah yes that is true

#

I hadnt considered that

#

Also at this point im pretty sure thyme never sleeps

undone sun
#

๐Ÿ˜‰

timid jay
#

He does

#

sometimes

lusty grotto
#

but thyme is pacific

#

its like 6 pm there

undone sun
#

Na HoUrS

timid jay
#

you mean 18

undone sun
#

7pm

lusty grotto
#

2 pm

timid jay
#

never gets old bullying NA about their measurements

undone sun
#

๐Ÿคฃ

oblique garnet
#

What day is it

undone sun
#

a day

lusty grotto
#

monday

timid jay
#

tuseday

undone sun
#

in the week

junior ivy
#

hey im in NA but mostly on your side with measurements

lusty grotto
#

i like the SI system too

#

IS?

#

fucking murica

timid jay
#

IS?

undone sun
#

yeah but dont you use metric @junior ivy

timid jay
#

๐Ÿค”

junior ivy
#

yeah metric

#

liek cosmo

lusty grotto
#

ya metric

junior ivy
#

like*

undone sun
#

fucking imperial

#

i want to kms

lusty grotto
#

the only one i cant deal with is C temps

junior ivy
#

c temps are superior though

#

dont even start

#

0 is freezing

#

THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE

undone sun
#

Celsius makes sense

lusty grotto
#

but km over miles is just best

junior ivy
#

anything minus is freezing

#

anything not minus is not freezing temps

timid jay
#

We could get @chilly hemlock here to pronounce Systรจme international (d'unitรฉs)

junior ivy
#

30 is hot, minus 30 is cold

undone sun
#

Fahrenheit does not

junior ivy
#

its perfect ok

timid jay
#

Catfriend

#

30 is dead

lusty grotto
#

international system! so it is i IS

timid jay
#

you dont survive those temps

#

๐Ÿ˜ฐ

oblique garnet
#

I had a car thats meter was miles instead of km/h

undone sun
#

30c is only 86f

#

hmmm

lusty grotto
#

must be murican car

timid jay
#

literally dead

junior ivy
#

30 is hot.

timid jay
#

at 30

undone sun
#

i mean it is hot

timid jay
#

I dont function in that heat

undone sun
#

but not that hot

oblique garnet
#

-40

#

Is fun

undone sun
#

it can get to 43c here in hte summer

timid jay
#

-40 + windchill

junior ivy
#

lately its been reaching 100f in canada, the government tells us to stay inside and dont go out when its that hot

#

lest we die

lusty grotto
#

that kills the chip

timid jay
#

good look with exposed skin

undone sun
#

yeah

oblique garnet
#

Cosmo that was my military basically

timid jay
#

fun times

undone sun
#

mid summer, you basically stay in doors regardless

oblique garnet
#

Actually was

junior ivy
#

a bunch of people did die in quebecs heat wave last year, like 18 people

timid jay
#

Worst I had was -25

junior ivy
#

canadians arent built for it

oblique garnet
#

Last summer was horrible tho

#

It was -38

timid jay
#

summer

oblique garnet
#

+38*

timid jay
#

-38

#

what

#

oh

undone sun
#

lol

lusty grotto
#

uhhhh...

oblique garnet
#

And humid

junior ivy
#

i remember as a kid thinking 25 was hot now its like 35+ is so normal lol

timid jay
#

Well now canada is burning

#

so

undone sun
#

we're all burning

timid jay
#

get used to even higher temps

undone sun
#

๐Ÿ˜ก

junior ivy
#

treue theres some fires

timid jay
#

cali is burning again?

junior ivy
#

my bf is out west in alberta but not near the fires

timid jay
#

Wasnt there a huge fire last year?

outer dew
#

Baby, only thing that's burning is my love for thyme

undone sun
#

always

outer dew
#

Tbh

timid jay
#

Or 2 years ago?

undone sun
#

yeah, there's always huge fires

#

every year, when it gets hot and dry

oblique garnet
#

Tofu i thought you only loved me

outer dew
#

Big fire in my heart

oblique garnet
#

Its over between us now

outer dew
#

Baby.

#

Thyme is for fridays

#

He needs sole loving

lusty grotto
#

tofu is a regular ho

outer dew
#

Mah

lusty grotto
#

goddamn

outer dew
#

I ain't no hoe

timid jay
#

The glasses in your pic trigger me Tofu

oblique garnet
#

Oh its friday?

timid jay
#

Also

#

I keep confusing you with Todu

#

probably not the best

undone sun
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yikes

outer dew
lusty grotto
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lol