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we can sim tanks now?
but they are getting money for those subs so maybe i don't feel bad
could always, offensively
@molten atlas not for survivability
yep amr will sim tank defensiveness
oh
No
NotLikeThis
No
dont actually use AMR
Just ducking no
i use raidbots
You canโt sim survivability
amr does riki! haha xD
"Mastery=Haste>Versatility>Crit."
@molten atlas ๐ memeing with Lepans guide then getting trolled by AMR sims
huh
Why is every big name player a retard
Haste > Versatility >= Mastery > Critical Strike = Strength
With stats
Thereโs a reason why Lepan barely pushes with anyone anymore
in m+ the stat prio is Haste=Crit>Vers=Mastery=STR
i wouldnt say lepan is a big name player
For m+ crit is higher
A well known player then
honestly didn't even know who he was until that guide surfaced
People know lepan
LOL
Who the fuck is he? I still do t know
But does naowh go around saying what stats to run?
i mean he does interact with people on stream
just listen to asmongold
im not 100% sure if he does "guides" though
he'll train you good
@oblique garnet did you swap fully to crit gems? Cuz I tried simming crit setup and the only spot that it came out as an overall increase was weapon enchant
naowh doesnt do guides no
LMAO
@stoic pilot No i did not because i dont have many sockets
does give stats to allies??
mine simmed higher with crit enchants on weapon and rings with crit gems
got to 20010 dps in patchwerk
who wants to see nimchy stream with riki
Single target?
yeah
I'm quick nav with crit enchants and crit gems
I think I got to like 19.6
Would be better but still rocking 410 weapon
If you loook at bloodmallet the "ideal" distribution involves a little haste, you probably are right on the edge of how much haste it wants you to have
pssh
Are you EU by any chance?
i believe too!
you need that LFR in you boies
chef nimchip believes in you
Me? No Iโm NA
oh
Alliance NA
easy jaina fights
2x meme
its just because the guild im on my shammy got CE like the other day aswell XD
gz late!
to be fair with lepan
the only spec
Our holy pally did like 13k dps in phase 3
he wrote the guide before the testing was done
Yeh itโs dumb
you can always update guides...
I was so lost tbh
and he the idea of "block softcap" came from stacking mastery
Ive played ele so much all my binds were fucked
im leveling a shaman in resto
Resto sham?
cause it 2 shots thiings
@lusty grotto lets get going. I have Civ to play
but still
Yeah doesnโt their lava burst just hit harder baseline?
im on
yeah
Excellent
where elementals lavaburst hits 30k ish restos hits 50k
all theiir offence spells do
Iโll invite in a moment
its dumb af
a random Cosmo is typing
Thatโs insane
no u
you got me
was gonna ask if elemental got the rework they said they would get in 8.1
but then I remembered how much effort they put into fucking up specs in BfA
Elemental is amazing rn
i โค elemental
elemental blasts
but im rerolling into enhancement
i actually wanted to do that and stream 20+ keys while playing on a controller
my friends didnt let me
just dont tell them
they wont notice
They will
if your a ret paladin
i was gonna do it on my warrior
honestly you could play prot warrior with one
you play prot warrior only two buttons anyway
how is 2 + strafe-left + forward + strafe-right 10
no wonder you play a prot warrior
cant even count
^^^^^^
wdym 2 buttons?
you mean
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and now you have no rage because you are not using demoshout, shield slam, devastate to reset shield slam
alt + F4
@undone sun implying most discord users know how to do it
always time to learn
||if you read this u gay LMAO||
fucking cosmo man
||no u|| @timid jay
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"clap"
no u
lmao
tbh just get siphoning
cosmo pls
leech mate xd
2.1% leech
basically as much as a health as a healthpot
from an avatar
just get 100%
for real though, I miss my 8% avoidance from 2x415 avoidance rings+ gemhide
was cool in the left wing of manor
with the cleaves
i can run a 3x gemhide setup for huge avoidance 
thats not leech
is avoidance still busted
20%
I was told it was 10%
20% or so
had a healer running ~18% avoidance and ~10% leech on argus prog
in his normal gear
xd
it was legion tho
Avoidance caps at 20% still
when item proced with leech or avoidance it gave you like %5
right now it gives %2 max
But I dunno how useful it is this time around in general.
yeah it was end of expansion
right now not so much at lesat for m+
much easier getting high%
but i think it helps on couple bosses
or some adds yeah xd
but yeah with damage numbers going higher and having way higher leech numbers from items might make it worth at the end of xpac
but even then i dont think so
why are eu tanks who do keys at night around 16 -17 range so fucking bad
lol
cause its late my dude
omg
||not actually sorry||
I demand only the highest of quality from my degen greek tanks at 3am
@soft kindle trust me you dont want to see me tank at this hour
lmao
me neither tbh
for dungeon bosses, should I use shield block or ignore pain to mitigate PHYSICAL boss abilities?
shield block
depends if they are BLOCKABLE or not
^ exactly what I was thinking
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some MAGIC damage can be BLOCKED
and some PHYSICAL damage cant be BLOCKED
there are 3 places where you don't mitigate stuff with shield block
Cosmo, cease
read up on it
plz
2 last bosses ML
Ceasing
and shadow of zul
alt-f4'd
nice
lol
@soft kindle end task
so toxic gasp

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wait what magic damage can you block btw @timid jay
I feel like I'm missing something
like the awarness on these people
jaina?
is just
You're
thats not magic tho
idk
garbage
I dont play bfa
r u streaming late
no
its not ,agical
im doing keys with friend
hmm
magical
Unfollowed @timid jay
shoudl I mitigate quaking with shield block or ignore pain?
but did you dislike all your comments on his profile first
xd
also downvoted to neutral on reddit
Reported for sexism
@sick sentinel This dude is from kazzak XD
I used to get a bunch of trade offers on my steam profile
when I had like 4K in csgo items on there
how many of them were legit
before I cashed out
and not people trying to scam
Probably not many
I just sold them on OPskins after I won them on gambling sites lol
Oof
Pick 2: 410 Idol, 415 Alchemist Stone, 410 Jes, 410 Vial, 410 Socketed Butcher's Block, 400 Rezan (lol)
mainly do M+
just picked up idol
I never had very much money in skins
@dark lark Do you hate your raid team / grou/
at most 100โฌ or so
group*
absolutely
what about second trinket?
currently running vial/socketed butcher block
keep going with butcher block with the idol?
In all honesty - do you feel you need more survivability>?
Jes is good for pushing, Vial is nutty for big pulls, block is just good
not really, i use the vial as a dps trinket with avatar
If I'm being honest - and you dont need survivability - Block / Vial
Idol is pretty high on demand healing, but I'm not sold on it yet for prot at least
it feels clunky
@soft kindle I agree. I have one. I enjoy it from time to time. Its just for the memes imo
I'd go block+alchemy trinket
kage stop copying me :))
???
Ironically - I'd be more likely to use idol over diamon in m+ for necrotic weeks
Combine that with dwarf to get an instant large necrotic free heal
IF i needed defensives and memes
Should be somewhere in my Google account
Cosmo you bought battalion 1944 yet?
no
I don't think I deleted it
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@sick sentinel you say block + alch, so forget the on use trinket?
Vial is pumper tho ๐ก
there arent many good on use trinkets
Meth
Nothing wrong with having no on uses
Look
vial isnt really good
There is a very high chance
Lol
This lad with macro vial with avatar
I know why
Yeah
I remember now
Therefore losing 1 sec from a 6 sec trinket
looking at the money I feel like I should have done RMT as well
Right...
That guils is dead now so not a big loss
It's 18s you mongo ๐ก
@toxic wadi yes
that or SW/LS
you can IP yes
about your only options
kk
DS wont work since you cant apply the debuff to anything
Isn't quaking % based on health
@soft kindle the last 9 sec don't do anything
yeh, DR's work though
i mean quaking is bad when you're getting railed by fort mobs
not armor
So LS would make it tic harder
but at that point you're already rolling IPs
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Also, talking about trinkets still
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If you're pushing
Found it
Say it
Say it Unyun
You should be healthpotting
I need to request access
Oh
what is this thyme
Hmmm
are you hacking my internets
The Sr sheet I worked on for legion
So like, the 40% more is vuluable
yep hacking my internets
i remember it
also the pic of the leggos
or was it a copy paste
I can't seem to find the permissions on mobile for sheets
Good
wait, felhounds?
yeh
Round 2 fight
oh right
I thought you knew something I didn't about bfa shit
Misstress, fel hounds, and KJ had blockable magic damage
had me tweakin
the shadow auto attacking worms on mistress
I dont play BFA so I wouldnt know about that
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OijMzv_7cpFQv0ww9k18LScQPuopHuZ0LrEcv9t5ke4/edit#gid=1969953052
Spent so much time on this
he's thyme smart
Cosmo was a ranked TC, were you
Lets hope this tank is better than last
lmao
Remember AM checks?
Tbf, I was the meme TC
what you doin late
pugging keys?
It was confirmed by the higher ups ๐
top men
sthap
Marok's a meme ๐ก
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In the combat log, when I see "absorbed" vs "blocked", does absorbed mean ignore pain did the mitigation?
yes
Yes
yes
ty
fuck slow
It can be block + absorb fwiw
You can both absorb and block something
yeah
You've got layers
block and absorb meaning?
every blockable damage can be also mitigated with IP
basically irish
Like an onion?
Block is a % damage reduction
absorb is just flat damage absorbed
say you take 100 damage
like ML 3rd boss or forth boss
say you have 50% DR from block and a 50 absorb
meaning you can both block an attack with SB, and absorb the same attack with IP. Not big brain problems
the 50% dr will reduce that damage to 50 and then the 50 absorb will make you take 0 damage
ez
napkin math bad
You're bad
ip only absorbs 50% dmg

oh ok
so it would be 25
He's talking about absorbs in general. I thought the same thing at first.
YES BUCKETLIST
im helping friend with a weekly on his alt
i corrected cosmo
I never said IP
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well there is also armor and versa that absorbs damage so
Cosmo is never wrong.
but it isnt complicated
So you can't ever correct him.
armor and versa doesnt absorb in that sense
cosmo ๐ข
they are % DR
it didn't happen ๐ฆ
yeah not absorb
was it a dream
it helps being clear that absorb isnt a %DR
Keep trying Nim. We believe in you.
my io isn't high enough ๐ฆ
Lmao
sigh
absorbs are flat amounts while %DR are just that, percentages
(Yes IP is a flat amount even though half bleeds through)
where balsaq at
@timid jay what about will of the necropolis ?
hopefully safe in my underwear
It could be viewed as a half strength absorb or as a 50% DR for X damage
lmao
Itโs the same spell either way
WoTN if it hasnt changed is more of a % health increase
This discord argues about anything
guess that goes for any %DR
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WoTN is an absorb
no we don't @willow scarab
but its the easiest way of looking at WoTN
shutup
WoTN is still take % less damage when under x% hp right?
Yeah
It's basically a DR% under x% health
Are you still playing bdk sadbox?
(it's so that it doesn't make DS heal less)
makes sense
sadbox is a rogue boi
So basically , it's just more EHP
classic btw
@sick sentinel well that goes for all %DR and absorbs
jesus lmao
@sick sentinel it's a little better than that since it also results in bigger DS-es
Wait no
Gonna buy a lvl 60 boost when classic comes out ๐
It's just more total hp
I will legit laugh out loud if they do level boosts for classic
yeah
there is a difference between blocked, absorbed, and damage reduction right?:
they are being anal about there not being any modern shop shit, but you bet your butt it'll happen
yes
Uh...yes and no
@toxic wadi block is a damage reduction now
kk
It works the same way as armor
I'm happy my plan to derail this conversion with the weirdness of WoTN was successful
this is what makes warrior tanking hard
you don't nkow when to use shield block over ignore pain
Hahaa
well
Every time
no
honestly you don't need to figure out the differences between those
Literally always.
Except if you're taking zero blockable damage
use ip as a rage dump
It depends on their weapon skill
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but to mitigate boss abilites, I have to use ignore pain right?
@timid jay what if he uses an axe
no
Literally the only two times in this expansion (that I'm aware of) that you would not prioritize SB over IP is 3rd and 4th boss of Motherlode.
A lot of boss abilities are blockable
SHIT
Depends what boss ability
I'd wager the majority are
I WAS SLOW
"was"
this is kinda simple-ish @toxic wadi, do you understand what melee damage is? kind of?
oh fuck you meth
Wasnt there a blockable/reflectable sheet for BfA ๐ค
like when you get slapped around
Typing on the phone is hard
@lusty grotto Get hit with melee weapon?
There is one, yes.
@sick sentinel This is what you get for stacking crit instead of haste
not specifically with a melee weapon
But honestly it sounds like this guy is new to the game.
just a melee hit..
right cosmo
I think we are gonna crib stack 8.2 and if not then we wil lin 8.3
Or just really new to tanking maybe without having paid much attention to tank things before
so if a mob hits you with melee damage, SB will always work against it (but you can Ignore Pain on top of it to reduce more damage)
@toxic wadi
Crit is life
I feel you
@willow scarab I memed with deadly nav during necro
425 haste crit bracers from raid this week thank I blizzard
I went full crit gems and all for necrotic
It was not actually that bad
and if a mob is casting a spell, SB kind of does nothing against it... more like a general rule of thumb
@sick sentinel Maybe you could enchant your keyboard with gale force striking so that you have a chance to respond faster
so you use IP there
OOOOOOOH
and demo shout
Lmao
oh
oh ok thanks
don't think so
Nah I don't think so
Expertise left like 7 years ago
What's expertise
lol
Kidding
Because meme TC
Just that you couldnt get parried anymore
now what about boss abilities that are physical, melee, but unblockable? Does shield block reduce their damage?
no
pseudo removal
if its unblockable shield block does nothing
hence, unblockable
oh ok
Hmm
there are little if no type of abilities like that
@timid jay I'm pretty sure that my executes have been parried as fury
Don't quote me on this
Please
as dps it should still be a thing
Bring back execute as prot
I wanna execute bladedtorm again
Oh
Mby parry haste is gone anyway
so you dont get fucked by melee getting parried
Anyone wants to go test if you can still get crushing blows if a mob is 4 levels higher than you?
xd
Good luck finding a lvl 124 mob
Raid mobs
are 123
i have a 111
scaling is a bitch
Wouldnt surprise me if its completely gone
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Are they really? Thatโs news to me
there is a place near FH that has 120 lvl mobs
Pog
even if you're 111
go get crushed
You'll get demolished
would be interesting if the mobs could even crit you
now when we block damage, what is happening is damage is being reduced
yes
kk
The exact amount is block value/(block value + k)
Where K is a constant depending on what content you're doing
or 2 times that if you crit block of course
I get it
The formulae is the exact same for armor, just replace block value with armor
I mean
WHere else are the K values that nicely listed
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Not really, its usually quite clear whats blockable and what isnt
Most things that are reduced by armor should be blockable
kk
For the single reason of balance, all other tanks really get armor from their AM while warriors get block
Cosmo's just throwing a lot of information at you that you don't need to know
wouldnt make sense to leave one tank without effective defense
because he's mean
Im good at that
Choke on my knowledge
Hot
Someone saying warriors are hard makes me feel good because Iโm good at warrior
ffs
What is AM?
active mitigation
active mitigation
either active mitigation or anger management
ah ok
depends on context
Active mitigation like shield block and ignore pain
so like shield block for warriors, iron fur for druids and SoTR for paladins
and so on
yeh
oh ok
Anger Management checks
Hush, mongo
Thats what your phycologist does
manki
havent heard that since david was active
Arms are mankis and furies are mongos
Hence my week aura "don't release you fucking mongo"
ill be done in 4 hours
I wonder if I still have my copy pasta about how DR's work from back in legion..
was such a common question back then
there were a lot of copy pastes in legion
tbh i don't even remember what it said @timid jay
think there was just a point where i blacked out in legion
Just explaining why bastion was so good
pretty much
People didnt understand why going from 86% to 88% crit blocks was huge
ah right
Pog
That one was several times every day
i remember that one
i had it saved!
people argued over the stupidest stuff
Prime Legion
cough
getting those phat SS crits and it being off GCD was real nice for weaving
same
i just would have preferred HS over it
I was actually garbage in EN
I rerolled after the nerf
at most 2 weeks
I was so smart
lol
hold on guys only 100 war resources to go
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hmm i seem to have found mobs that follow you forever
why do warriors have a block ability and not just an "increase armor" ability like paladins?
i guess it makes it more challenging
hi
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thats the way the class was designed
oh
oh
Well, it follows the same formulae but its multiplicative instead of just adding more armor
negligible difference but its there
Might get noticeable late in the expansion if other tanks start hitting armor cap
oh
Easiest way to compare is vs DK's
warrior specializes in proactive mitigation rather than reactive like almost every other tank
but, that does make it a bit more punishing if you mess up the proactivity
ya proactive like disc priest
Extremely simplified explanation is, a warrior and a DK takes 100 incoming damage. The warrior mitigates 70% of that and takes 30 damage, the DK mitigates 30% and takes 70 damage but then heals up 40 afterwards getting him to 70 hp
alright i found lvl 120 mobs
ah I Get it
nice
Its all a numbers game, doesnt really matter how you stay alive in the end, just how well you do it
I witnessed a new legend
Lad was completely oblivious about dungeon mechanics
I dont think ranged attacks could be crushing blows
However he knew how to play warrior
hmm let me find a melee mob
And he did good
are you pugging or something Late?
Yeah we did a weekly for my friends alt
cool cool
600 io legend
Just get more Defense on your gear
science perseveres
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Feels like they've done their best to make the attack table really not matter anymore
Also cosmo shouldnt you be sleeping its 4 am in sweden
@soft kindle Patch 3.0.2 (14-Oct-2008): Magic-damage melee auto-attacks can now be blocked.
Such as those done by Combat 15 [??] Ragnaros.
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Shouldnt you be sleeping
rip meth
its 5 in suomi
No because im a degenerate
oh ok
what makes you think cosmo isnt
Ah yes that is true
I hadnt considered that
Also at this point im pretty sure thyme never sleeps
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Na HoUrS
you mean 18
7pm
2 pm
never gets old bullying NA about their measurements
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What day is it
a day
monday
tuseday
in the week
hey im in NA but mostly on your side with measurements
IS?
yeah but dont you use metric @junior ivy
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ya metric
like*
the only one i cant deal with is C temps
c temps are superior though
dont even start
0 is freezing
THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE
Celsius makes sense
but km over miles is just best
We could get @chilly hemlock here to pronounce Systรจme international (d'unitรฉs)
30 is hot, minus 30 is cold
Fahrenheit does not
its perfect ok
international system! so it is i IS
I had a car thats meter was miles instead of km/h
must be murican car
literally dead
30 is hot.
at 30
i mean it is hot
I dont function in that heat
but not that hot
it can get to 43c here in hte summer
-40 + windchill
lately its been reaching 100f in canada, the government tells us to stay inside and dont go out when its that hot
lest we die
that kills the chip
good look with exposed skin
yeah
Cosmo that was my military basically
fun times
mid summer, you basically stay in doors regardless
Actually was
a bunch of people did die in quebecs heat wave last year, like 18 people
Worst I had was -25
canadians arent built for it
summer
+38*
lol
uhhhh...
And humid
i remember as a kid thinking 25 was hot now its like 35+ is so normal lol
we're all burning
get used to even higher temps
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treue theres some fires
cali is burning again?
my bf is out west in alberta but not near the fires
Wasnt there a huge fire last year?
Baby, only thing that's burning is my love for thyme
always
Tbh
Or 2 years ago?
Tofu i thought you only loved me
Big fire in my heart
Its over between us now
tofu is a regular ho
Mah
goddamn
I ain't no hoe
The glasses in your pic trigger me Tofu
Oh its friday?
yikes
I'll fix our love @oblique garnet
lol