then come the fuck on you can see where that's going
#protection
supple path
stiff oracle
@lusty grotto Do not call me out again, enjoy your discord chat
inland bolt
Nimchimp just chill out and enjoy the rest of your night
lusty grotto
You guys enjoy the rest of the day as well
I honestly don't know what the early thing is
inland bolt
Lol i scroll up and you did call me out randomly
just relax dude
and your mates need to chill too
lusty grotto
I swear to god the first time I saw you was on whatever day you came on board with your crew
inland bolt
Late and Danie too, this discord is devolving soo hard its sad at this point
willow scarab
Just out of curiousity
lusty grotto
🤷
sick sentinel
how long will this go on
lusty grotto
Why would it be a coincidenc3
sick sentinel
for fucks sake
willow scarab
I always thought you were an ex hardcore player or something
sick sentinel
can we stop causing drama for no fucking reason
oblique garnet
Shawruss care to elaborate?
inland bolt
then stop bringing me up please
willow scarab
And that's why you always had so much to discuss on warrior stuff
inland bolt
talk about warrior stuff in here
lusty grotto
Fumeiyo when have I checked out your prior experience
inland bolt
if you want to spam this disc, go to off-topic
sick sentinel
@willow scarab the people that have time to talk in the discord are not nessesarily also extremly good players or 3k+ players
lusty grotto
Is it relevant to anything?
stiff oracle
https://raider.io/characters/us/arthas/Nimchip <-- this is your prior experience, dont call out Fumeiyo
LMFAO
willow scarab
It is relevant to me
I like to talk to people like Kaege and Late because they have similar experience to me
inland bolt
thats not even rain irl hahaha
stiff oracle
LMFAO nimchip getting his boys in here, thats not even my face ahahah
willow scarab
What works in theorycrafting isn't the same as in practice
inland bolt
this is actually hilarious
stiff oracle
What works in theorycrafting isn't the same as in practice
sick sentinel
this is a new low
inland bolt
@fierce juniper please clean this up, im done dealing with these people
sick sentinel
you should never attack a person for how they look like or them themselves, try to attack their arguement
with counter arguements
willow scarab
You literally started this by throwing out bait hoping shawruss would read it
warm plinth
Someone please step in here. This is silly.
willow scarab
Do you not see what you do Nimchip?
stiff oracle
@lusty grotto stick to your theorycrafting and let the big boys tell you if its actually applicable or just math without context
willow scarab
Tonight wasn't the first time either
sick sentinel
I also blamed Shawruss for starting up drama in here
supple path
I count 12 personal attacks against Nimchip since the last time he spoke.
stiff oracle
It is him
lusty grotto
I mean I haven't actually replied to anything you said, so they are free to talk to you without my interference, you have made that abundantly clear @willow scarab
stiff oracle
He calls me out randomly
warm plinth
I thought we were supposed to be better than Acherus. 😬
sick sentinel
I also blamed Shawruss for starting up drama in here, but it's not him
people should stop being so dense and talk like normal people]
inland bolt
I literally got a pm saying that people are calling me out again, i literally dont know whats the obsession with me in this disc
stiff oracle
@lusty grotto You call me out out randomly and you cant back up anything you say without getting your boys to attack the appearance of the guy in my discord picture LMFAO
how low do you have to go
mint adder
I don’t like it when I come in randomly one day and find some random fuck talking shit about a guy who’s been here for an insane amount of time.
lusty grotto
🤷 I didn't message anyone
stiff oracle
@mint adder he called me out
sick sentinel
@inland bolt you do funny shit and try out stuff and don't mindlessly follow what other people say and you are crucified for it
mint adder
@stiff oracle so
willow scarab
The same thing with Shawruss is what I say about nerf
inland bolt
I make other builds work outside of the meta and I get trolled by mob mentality
willow scarab
The stuff that this discord says not to do is what they're doing above 3400io
when none of us are above 3k
inland bolt
yeah the advice I gave the other night was literally what ever other warrior pushing high IO follows and I got flamed for that too
idk what is wrong with you people
lusty grotto
OK ok shawruss I respect that
supple path
The actual mechanical discussion/point has been like...5% or less of most of this drama.
stiff oracle
Shut up Nimchip you dont respect shit, thats why you called him out
lusty grotto
Going against mob mentality kind of thing I guess
mint adder
Why is this guy still in here
honest frigate
What's the advice?
willow scarab
Because the fight extrapolated from class discussion to attacking shawruss so long ago
inland bolt
LOL
stiff oracle
there was no incorrect wording when you call me out for no reason
willow scarab
This discord tears people apart for that instead of just discussing warrior shit
oblique garnet
Fumeiyo the stuff about nerfclap is 1. He ran the 2nd worst build in mdi right after divinefield 2. He used to make many mistakes where he doesnt have mitigation up even though he could have which have costed his group keys, you dont have to be 3k to notice that kind of mistakes
inland bolt
YOU DONT EVEN PLAY IN MDI OR ARE ABOVE 2kIO
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN CALL HIM OUT
inland bolt
youre joking with me late
stiff oracle
Howwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
inland bolt
come on dude
stiff oracle
How are people like this acting better than 4k io players
oblique garnet
So youre saying running never surrender and bloodsport is good?
willow scarab
I'm saying it works for their strategy and they are 4k
oblique garnet
In ML ?
inland bolt
I need a mod to clean up this discord
lusty grotto
Late is 2.5k I thought
oblique garnet
For the last 2 bosses?
willow scarab
I think it's good for last 2 ML bosses yes
oblique garnet
Where in mdi situation yo ucannot go out to change talents
honest frigate
Getting to high IO is much more dependent on dungeon play rather than individual play
willow scarab
But it's not my choice for any other situation
oblique garnet
he ran the entire motherlode with ns
willow scarab
But I'm not 4k in mdi
Maybe he had to in order to finish the key alive
And so this discord says he's stupid
inland bolt
divinefield did as well
supple path
Well it'd be bad for emulating on live environments where you aren't restricted like you are in MDI, regardless.
oblique garnet
yeah divinefield also hard inted on ml
willow scarab
It doesn't matter what is good on paper or what the general thought is for setup
inland bolt
its not even about MDI
oblique garnet
then you have players like naowh herudra others who ran bolster
stiff oracle
@oblique garnet where did Divinefrield hard int ML?
mint adder
MDI is not the same as pushing high keys
inland bolt
these players are legit 3.8k+ on live and youre calling them out
stiff oracle
@oblique garnet where did Divinefrield hard int ML?
@oblique garnet where did Divinefrield hard int ML?
you are legit trolling
right now
stop typing
oblique garnet
Did you watch the first cup ?
willow scarab
MDI is very similar to pushing keys
oblique garnet
I guess not
stiff oracle
YES I DID LOL
stiff oracle
Because I used those routes to compete in the first MDI
honest frigate
MDI is not similar to pushing keys at all
willow scarab
Yes it is...
honest frigate
It's not Fum
mint adder
..............nooooo
willow scarab
It's still different but they're not like comparing pvp to raiding
You use so many similar techniques
honest frigate
If you've done either you no they're not the same
supple path
Isn't MDI basically a competition of "who can +3 this key by more"? I mean, it's SIMILAR but the core goal is obviously different.
inland bolt
this is going offtopic, mdi was mentioned to show their experience as good players
honest frigate
In MDI you pull much bigger and you take more risks
inland bolt
this is going very off topic
honest frigate
In pushing you go safer but still do what is needed to time the key
half palm
everyone should include their IO next to their name I cant tell who is really cool and who isnt
stiff oracle
^thats not the point
supple path
right? it'd be terrible if you heard that haste was your strongest stat by someone and then it later turned out they were sub 2k
honest frigate
?? Fum I have a higher io than you but I don't go off blatantly saying it
lusty grotto
You can tell who I am, since my io was plastered here lmao
honest frigate
We were just having a discussion about MDI vs pushing keys why showboat
willow scarab
There comes a point where you will have to stop being safe
willow scarab
If you miss a timer by 30 seconds maybe you should have done 2 packs at once
So then you do it next time
inland bolt
you dont play defensive in high keys lol, you need to meet damage checks eventually
stiff oracle
the higher the key level, the more uncomfortable you have to pull to make timer
honest frigate
Sure I don't disagree with that
mint adder
You play more defensive than you do in the mdi
honest frigate
I said pushing keys is different from MDI because MDI you get to be more aggressive because you've practiced it before on trial keys
willow scarab
Just because in pushing you do hallway then pig boss room in WCM doesn't make it vastly different to hallway + room in MDI
honest frigate
Whereas when you push keys you're limited in what you can try
willow scarab
It's still essentialyl the same thing...
sick sentinel
not exactly incorrect
but like
the way I push score
is that I will deplete the key like 3-4 times and then time it
mint adder
The whole philosophy is different fume
honest frigate
It's not, they employ different things
sick sentinel
I will go slow at first and miss the timer
lusty grotto
Hey we arrived at a constructive discussion yay!
sick sentinel
then I will go risky to see how much I can handle
and then I will try to do a mix of both
half palm
Slow and risky?
willow scarab
I go have a smoke and gas myself up then go full damage build and see how far i can get hit in the face
autumn pendant
Our prot tank mostly did the same. Took few runs for him realise what is blockable, where he can go more risky
empty inlet
waycrest is such a stupid dungeon
willow scarab
I love it
autumn pendant
its just experience and learning
sick sentinel
because I know where I can pull big and where I should pull small
oblique garnet
every dungeon the fucking smalles shit is the most danagerous
sick sentinel
I did a pull on WCM yesterday for example and got got with SB and SW
empty inlet
theres so many rng on wcm
oblique garnet
shale spit from the small worms from motherlode and waycrest the little blighted licks
empty inlet
you just stun the toad
oblique garnet
shockwave into spell reflect
empty inlet
and spell reflect when the lick is sync up
oblique garnet
is probably the safest
willow scarab
well
honest frigate
Heres an example of MDI vs Pushing keys. In MDI, you can pull the entire 2nd boss room of Temple with your resto druid running tree of life, whereas you won't see many resto druids running tree of life in pushing content because they'd rather have consistent healing rather than an on demand 3 minute burst window for one huge pull that isn't going to happen in a 24 key but can happen in a 19
willow scarab
I panicked and ti was our second attempt at a 22
This is why I say they're not that different dude
honest frigate
They require two different mentalities and approaches
willow scarab
test
supple path
Think my favorite part about watching MDI was just being blown away by what a difference there is in seeing groups with 3 DPS who actually stunned/interrupted/etc. hah.
willow scarab
my last messages didn't send, I thought I got muted
sick sentinel
no it's discord fucking up
willow scarab
They went red
lusty grotto
Nah discord is lagging
willow scarab
You aided my point gch
supple path
yeah I lost some messages earlier too
willow scarab
Because MDI pull snake room at once
and in keys you do it in 2 pulls
makes it basicalyl the same thing
willow scarab
2 on tyrannical 3 on fortified*
inland bolt
i mean with a monk to remove poisons you probably could quite easily
willow scarab
and even then you're pulling a thing through the next room
inland bolt
the issue isnt kicks in that room its the damage to dps
sick sentinel
^^
mint adder
I feel like this argument devolved into whose opinion of ‘very different’ is smaller. Although, I’m glad that other fuckhead stopped talking
sick sentinel
they spit to random targets
analog zinc
hey, complete noob when it comes to routes, how should I be handling AD this week?
mint adder
Not u
sick sentinel
empty inlet
hope to god the left side is teaming pack
mint adder
The guy picking on nim
warm plinth
Why would you say something like that and potentially start a whole other thing
autumn pendant
It was pretty Toxic Mid
empty inlet
if left side isn't teaming pack you cry
willow scarab
@analog zinc check raiderio for a good simple route
stiff oracle
😃
inland bolt
LOL
sick sentinel
LMAO
mint adder
That guy
stiff oracle
This guy is asking for the business
lusty grotto
AD is variable on teeming so you gotta adapt on the fly @analog zinc
sick sentinel
can we not get into this again
mint adder
Hahaha
stiff oracle
LMFAO
willow scarab
Pull AD from the left side so you don't chain the packs and wipe your key
I learned that today
warm plinth
It's not funny. Knock this shit off. Grow the fuck up.
stiff oracle
Nah I'm chill
willow scarab
right side is linked to the pack behind it 😃
warm plinth
Glad someone is keeping their head.
willow scarab
funny for nim to call our shawruss' for having a goon squad
but here is mid gooning
supple path
please stop.
autumn pendant
If only @sick sentinel kept his pp 😦
analog zinc
so you clear through to the left boss first instead of the right boss?
mint adder
Nim’s a nice guy
lusty grotto
🤷
willow scarab
@analog zinc are you on US
analog zinc
yea
lusty grotto
You can @analog zinc
analog zinc
i do, never used it tho tbh
oblique garnet
the problem with atal is that the left side on teeming has 3 different packs
inland bolt
you kinda need 3 different routes or an idea of how to pull
lusty grotto
Left side can be rough if teeming lands there though
warm plinth
Also can we petition Marok for that animated emoji of the three typing dots? I think we need it here.
Also can we petition Marok for that animated emoji of the three typing dots? I think we need it here.
willow scarab
Did this discord get a limit of messages per minute or something
empty inlet
dont need 3 routes
oblique garnet
one with 8 mobs then the normal 6 mobs and then the one clusterfuck where you have 2 colossuses behind the confessor which will aggro if you pull the pack in front of it
empty inlet
you just need 2
lusty grotto
But it is generally easier than multi honor guards
willow scarab
I'm not getting red messages in any other discord
oblique garnet
discord is just having issues in general
empty inlet
if you dont get the 5 mob on the left you pull the right side honor guard pack
analog zinc
god my messages aren't sending, I have MDT but never used it
warm plinth
I don't think so. I've barely been talking and I just had to resend one like 3 times
empty inlet
atal is acutally not that hard
sick sentinel
@willow scarab no it happens in DMs as well
empty inlet
almost timed a 25 yesterday but we giga scuff one of the snap
willow scarab
You can time it without snapping if you wanna play less risky
stiff oracle
I think really high atals might require you to snap cause the saurids smack the group too hard
empty inlet
that 8 pack is redic too
warm plinth
I had the most beautiful 4 maggot pull of my life yesterday. Followed by a pretty terrible rest of the run. 😦 Only on a +10 but it was still wonderful.
oblique garnet
supple path
oh god a "learn 12 different pull routes" affix
honest frigate
Snapping is pretty much required in high fort keys tbh
lusty grotto
Hmmm
honest frigate
And lovely, more emphasis on pulling packs we don't want to pull
warm plinth
So it's infested that makes you have to do all of the infested pulls? XD
oblique garnet
pretty much
sick sentinel
I liked that part about infested
oblique garnet
thank god classic is coming soon
sick sentinel
tbh
lusty grotto
Called it, infested 2.0
sick sentinel
doing the same route every week is boring
lusty grotto
You're right
warm plinth
Just depends on what it does to those packs I guess
supple path
The week to week variance is gonna be rough for a lot of the player-base. I'm already scarred in advance about what other tanks are going to do on my druid.
warm plinth
If it's just a minor adjustment to gameplay and a major route change, it might be okay
But we'll see. Shouldn't affect me too much anyway only doing 10-13s
lusty grotto
Hmm yeah I suppose that will be a bit tedious on random pugs
oblique garnet
just gotta practice it on the first week so you can easily spam 14-15s for gear
supple path
Fingers crossed for the ol' volcanic/raging release week.
Do we have a date yet actually?
analog zinc
you know it's gonna be fort x necro
supple path
how annoying.
oblique garnet
and then 2nd week should be raging volcanic
if they are doing the same thing as they did last season that is
willow scarab
Does anyone know when allstars points update
oblique garnet
you need to maintain the rank for 24 hours iirc
willow scarab
I guess that's the cool thing about raiding Thursday nights
Everyone else already got their logs so I don't get kicked off later
willow scarab
that's true
I have 3 top 10s after tonight so i'm hoping to move up and just wanna see it
All I've been thinking about since raid is fucking the mekka rank up
willow scarab
I've never had a guild that didn't spaghetti the fight
So I'm stuck with 99s that are like 30-50s
I always end the fight dead
oblique garnet
ye
willow scarab
zzzz
a top 10 so differnet to a 99
and a top 5 so different to a top 10
It's like a whole different league of parsing
willow scarab
conclave cheese -ish if you consider tanking 7 yards apart cheese..
provides more ST dps for half my raid
that reminds me too
rank 4 conclave and i didn't use my 2nd pot with an avatar or with 2 bosses alive
oblique garnet
unlucky
willow scarab
who's brain did i have in my head...
neon tangle
I think it does for tanks
dusk locust
ah
willow scarab
It does for us
dusk locust
interesting
willow scarab
Which is cool for us right
dusk locust
i guess you want thunderclap radius and you want the raptors to all converge on the bosses
willow scarab
Running the raptors into the boss is a legit strategy to kill them anyway
The only "cheese" is thta you keep the bosses close enough to clap
which also helps ele/boomkin/lock/etc
dusk locust
or you could have dps try to keep the raptors alive longer than they otherwise would
and let the tanks pad on them
willow scarab
An efficient, fast, clean fight with a sprinkle of cheese is enough for me
If I was the GM of my guild I'd probably want to try a strat where everyone targetted by a raptor kites around the room and I solo clap them
But that's a cheese for another day
dusk locust
i've always wanted to give one of my ret pallies a #1 parse by having people die in a staggered fashion
willow scarab
That's what carries and alts are for
analog zinc
btw any of you solo tanked mythic champs before?
lusty grotto
might be kaege's friends
sand egret
in shrine as well
lusty grotto
:p
sand egret
taunt + reflect chains baby
lusty grotto
they did that uldir with prot warriors only
looks fun
i dont think they were alliance but yeah
willow scarab
I haven't but I don't see any reason why you couldn't @analog zinc
neon tangle
@lusty grotto I think it was just "warriors only"
lusty grotto
ya
neon tangle
IIRC the kill had a bunch of fury and stuff too
lusty grotto
ya you're right
still waiting on that NA warrior only run like marok did back in legion
👌
lusty grotto
it sounds like what someone said, an obligatory infested
neon tangle
imagine shadow of zul 3x+ in each instance
lusty grotto
probably in packs that are less likely to be pulled and stuff
hmm
no thanks haha
but it sounds like it wont be mobs, just some nagas
neon tangle
I mean, they said they're magical 😛
lusty grotto
true
if i had to guess though id say they just put the handmaidens hugging runecarver or windspeaker or some shit like that
and you're basically obligated to pull them
neon tangle
this sort of stuff is why I say that nobody really knows who will end up on top next season
lusty grotto
right righ
neon tangle
if you slap a bunch of "nuke the tank with magic" or even worse "can be interrupted with displacements only"
lusty grotto
but i'm looking forward to other tanks being a lot more viable than they are now
neon tangle
you're gonna see BDK being spicy again, or pally for the magic bub
lusty grotto
probs
lusty grotto
yes he is
sick sentinel
I didn't do a prot only uldir
it was a warrior only uldir
3 prots for most bosses
4 prots for ghuun
lusty grotto
ya ya
sick sentinel
tofu I can explain
lusty grotto
LO
sick sentinel
dms tho lmao
outer dew
Lmao
outer dew
Always know its sadbox
lusty grotto
hey man
sick sentinel
soon™
lusty grotto
wdym
sand egret
splitting the game with Tofu
outer dew
Splitting what game?
lusty grotto
kaege looking for that sugar daddy that likes boys?
outer dew
And you never dmed me hoe @sick sentinel
lusty grotto
or a sugar mommy
sand egret
Tofu's got one part of the market, Kaege's getting the rest
lusty grotto
ya this might be it blade
outer dew
Lmao
lusty grotto
hey no judging
lusty grotto
mmhmm
might be a sugar mama too
kaege you should put the mortal kombat fighter, or have you already
wait no that was kano
johnny kaege
sick sentinel
LUL
fierce juniper
I was at work so I'm a bit late to the party, but in the future please ping Val'kyr if something needs to be dealt with. Val'kyr pings me as well but I'm not always around.
fierce juniper
nope thats the bot lol
sand egret
"There's one that has shadow power, one that is arcane, and one that is frosty. They have fun, different effects that will change the way you approach certain pulls. They'll make it so that certain pulls that you probably haven't done in the last five months, because you always skip them, you might actually have to do." - ruh roh
astral crystal
monkaS
sand egret
key words being "have to do"....
analog zinc
please don't tell me we have to do that pull in the center of AD
sand egret
it implies that depeneding on which handmaiden is present each week in what pack, their unique properties will incentivize one pack over another
sand egret
what that also implies, is that the three varieties of adds will have very specific nuances to their sets. I.E. Something along the lines of: Frost + Caster pack = they cast 50% faster or Shadow = damage reflect
analog zinc
this just sounds like it further incentivizes running double rogue in every key
lusty grotto
OH
lusty grotto
yeah but from what was posted a while ago it semed the arcane one did dmg on a pretty big range
sand egret
it's X handmaiden is with Y pack causing = Z combo
take that example, if that minion happened to be doing that in a spot where you can't interrupt her easily, you may skip that pack
lusty grotto
i wonder if they will be random run by run
lusty grotto
because if they aren't you will have a set route depending on your comp
sand egret
so each week you find out which packs have what handmaidens, then you factor in the affixes, then you pick your route
lusty grotto
yeah
sand egret
infested advanced, basically. Where the counter-play to the affix is more varied than it was with Infested
considering that it's still not testable, I wouldn't put too much into previous knowledge. Sounds like something they reiterated heavily on based on first takes
sand egret
I'm more curious how players will have varying interactions with the different handmaidens
lusty grotto
how many of them total per dungeons
sand egret
infested was just = bring CC
neon tangle
I'm excited to stay as a dps and just like, kill whoever the tank points me at
sand egret
but if one requires a purge, one requires a kiting, the other requires interrupts. Suddenly your comp changes what route you h it
neon tangle
I did, raiding on the rogue now
lusty grotto
nice
neon tangle
doing mekka prog as outlaw, tons of fun
lusty grotto
yeah i get what youre saying blade
sounds interesting the way you put it
but in reality, we will have to see
sand egret
this IS a great opportunity for them to get data for the next iteration of M+
neon tangle
@sand egret I expect people will figure out whatever one you can cheese w/ the FOTM class
and always do that one
sand egret
since this type of affix allows them to see how players interact with more micro-adjustments to dungeons
most likely
can't really prevent that, though
neon tangle
and people will write off dungeons w/ "bad" combos as hard/"dead keys"
sand egret
totally
I think they'll be a bit more argument with this (which is a good thing)
since it'll be "oh but this pack is a JOKE with X class!"
lusty grotto
ideally it sounds good, but in truth... we will have to hope it doesn't devolve into a cc-utility thing
sand egret
it's a great opportunity to flex niche ability usage that is shared by subsets of classes
lusty grotto
like imagine a handmaiden that requires an MS-style debuff
sand egret
but yeah, I also hope it doesn't devolve
lusty grotto
and you're like well shit let me bring an arms warrior
lusty grotto
or an ass rogue
sand egret
eyyyyy
sand egret
unless they need to be taunted!
sand egret
i really wish they'd flex DPS specs who can taunt, more
neon tangle
@sand egret oh, so DH?
sand egret
no healing debuff 😃
neon tangle
that's what the rogue is for
lusty grotto
lol
sand egret
but two spots for one handmaiden...what about the other two!
see, it could get fun like that imho
sand egret
ding ding!
lusty grotto
or was the WW ms removed? i can't remember
lusty grotto
ah yes
neon tangle
all I'm hearing is "2 rogues and a random dps"
lusty grotto
im trying to remember if MS type debuffs worked for infested healing, i dont think they did right?
sand egret
it did, but wasn't worth it
sand egret
the rate and sheer numbers made it largely irrelevant
anywho, sounds neat and at least has potential to be really cool
lusty grotto
i stand corrected
neon tangle
@sand egret I hope my cynicism is misguided
sand egret
it's not misguided, for the most part. I think the subtext of what you're insinuating is actually that the players themselves will find a way to ruin it
aka a "meta comp"
which limits all creativity
lusty grotto
that will inevitably happen
sand egret
yeah, it's not something a developer can control, ultimately
neon tangle
@sand egret not so much that it will ruin it, just that they will find a mostly-optimal comp
kinda like other tanks/dps classes can be useful depending on the dungeon this season, but everyone still wants prot/rogue/rdruid
sand egret
yeah, it's the zealous adherence to the "optimal" is where the issues come into play
"The MDI Effect"
the more people argue about what is actually the "most" optimal, the better imho
neon tangle
I just want you all to know, shipping from china is slow af
keen kiln
guys ? in M+ Rumbling Earth or Storm Bolt ?
ionic fern
Both work. Some prefer Rumbling while others prefer Storm Bolt.
If you already have AoE stuns e.g Warlocks/DH's etc you might wanna take Storm Bolt.
If you lack AoE stuns i'd suggest Rumbling.
keen kiln
i see
stoic pilot
Storm bolt is pretty nice for specific instances too if you don’t have many targeted ccs
Like underrot for the worms
keen kiln
lol
lusty grotto
rumbling is only bad if you risk on hitting (and are not tracking) stun DRs
but that can apply to Storm bolt as well
but mwahi said it best, its best paired on your comp
keen kiln
ok ok
lusty grotto
also remember underrot worms can be feared to interrupt their vomit 😉
keen kiln
yes sure
lusty grotto
(also any other cc)
keen kiln
and also, what do you do to keep aggro on "big" pack
lusty grotto
avatar
stoic pilot
Yeah Underrot in general is just a dungeon that imo feels like it favors long ST stuns
lusty grotto
also remember heroic leap resets taunt's cd
stoic pilot
Cuz of the swarmseekers, wicked frenzy mobs and vomit worms
lusty grotto
oh yeah
lusty grotto
if you are using avatar on cd
and still have problems with threat it could be that your dps overgear you
keen kiln
yeah sometimes it is since i start M+ in low keys
lusty grotto
so on that scenario leap taunts work well
keen kiln
and some geared helping friend are present
keen kiln
i will press more heroic leap 😄
stoic pilot
I still have trouble here and there when I go into a pack or reap without avatar and our dk gets trigger happy
sand egret
or just tell your dps to focus target you 😃
nowadays every dps needs their own mobs to focus. back in my day, everyone focused one target to keep aggro manageable! 👴
neon tangle
I generally don't attack what the tank is attacking as a stabbyboi, just asking for stun DR
sand egret
well, you can still attack the same target, but stun another target 😃
it's them auto-attacks though. DPS sleep on the fact that that shit creeps up their dps in aoe situations
lusty grotto
tunnel a single mob okay
neon tangle
I mean, I also press tricks, so it's no biggie
lusty grotto
pulled agro? np riposte to pump my dmg
neon tangle
I may or may not do this as well
sand egret
it's to a point where I target of target any DH's I see since that mob will always be the highest risk once they go Meta
lusty grotto
getting carried by rigatony
sand egret
our combo is like bumper bowling for tank threat
lusty grotto
lmao
livid flax
Can you loot "dps" trinkets in prot spec such as butcher's block and rezan's eye?
oblique garnet
yes
wispy plume
should i stack DC for m+? or get one and go for more defense
i know BoM is a definite stack
ionic fern
You can stack DC if you're familiar with the class/keystone levels you're doing.
Just for the pure dmg of it.
But if not then i'd suggest you take IF for example.
sick sentinel
you can but I don't advice it
wispy plume
gotcha and just push for more defense as the keys get higher
ionic fern
If you feel like it's neccessary.
wispy plume
but while farming 10s-15s just pump the dps
ionic fern
We're in a good spot right now so you can get away with double/triple DC's even on higher keys if that's what you want.
lusty grotto
at that point its kind of "feely-craft"
ionic fern
Survival comes down to your own play rather than traits.
wispy plume
facts
lusty grotto
and what your teammates can handle, and how you pull etc
livid flax
You can't block Shadow of Zul in KR can you? Just spam ignore pain?
livid flax
so how do you generate rage?
empty inlet
you can attack him while he just spams spells
its esp useful on necrotic week
most people dont know that but his auto does like 5-10% damage
umbral forge
https://i.imgur.com/GtEeamN.png
@sick sentinel
@oblique garnet
sick sentinel
Pog
mortal brook
@umbral forge proud of you!
sick sentinel
will you guys laugh at me if I post my logs of tanking M Jaina?
why would we laugh wtf
umbral forge
I doubt anyone has clean logs from there the first few kills
signal plover
If you're tanking M Jaina and surviving reasonably you're prolly playing aight.
wide vapor
is overwhelming power actually good for prot? Seems kind of counter-intuitive
wide vapor
oh
it's between that, ablative shielding, and elemental whirl. I'm thinking ablative shielding would be the best
sick sentinel
ablative shielding is the worst in there
mortal brook
the ICD on losing OP stacks allows it to be solid. ele whirl is a good alternative for good uptime secondaries but not as strong as OP. ablative uptime and strength is pretty meh.
wide vapor
alright, OP it is. Thanks ❤
zinc spoke
so you'd take elemental whirl or OP instead of ablative?
i've been doing it wrong
for this piece I have ablative, unstable flames, heed my call - any advice?
sand egret
UF baby
sick sentinel
Do people not review prot logs?
sand egret
So the thought process behind Ablative is that being one of the tanks that has high base armor, we don't benefit as much from the Ablative Proc (we still benefit, though). However, we do gain a lot of benefit through various explicit and synergistic interactions with Haste, which is why people take the OP in that situation. @zinc spoke
@sick sentinel we do
undone sun
Just most don't go into the log channel
zinc spoke
got it, thanks, so you'd take UF for the crit instead, and OP on pieces where it's available
sand egret
usually the way we review in here is more based around targeted questions like "i felt like I wasn't mitigating X well, can anyone see anything to improve upon?"
I like UF because it's got a very good uptime and it provides Crit, which is valuable in a M+ environment (I'm biased in that is the only content I do). I would pick OP over it when possible, because Haste is just such a great stat overall. You can only lose 2 stacks max a second on OP so it has baseline value in packs with increased value in ST, which I also like shoring up in my gearing choices (since we have AoE damage in spades anyway)
oblique garnet
@umbral forge Congratz i got cutting edge on the shaman now aswell LUL
umbral forge
eeeey
sick sentinel
as mitigation is not an issue
sand egret
in which phase of your rotation? in/out of Avatar?
sand egret
well In-Avatar is very straight forward so that's easy to self-diagnose
sick sentinel
as out of it is a set thing basically
sand egret
it's every other cast is TClap 😃
sand egret
I see, well that one is harder to diagnose
it's contextual, in many ways. Mostly because one generates Rage, the other is a rage dump
the TLDR is that prot (and tanks in general) are harder to look at due to a lot of contextual queues our decisions are based off of, if that makes sense. This is also why it's difficult/impossible to "sim" for tanking.
that all being said, dropping a specific log with a targeted question in here often gets responses. 😄
sick sentinel
another question then
if I'm at capped rage
would shield slam do more damage even if I don't have a revenge proc
or should I dump the rage
use IP
charred island
Isn't if s.h.i.e.l.d slam is up use it
sick sentinel
This is purely dps
stoic pilot
Single target? Or aoe
sick sentinel
ST
stoic pilot
Slam
charred island
Slam
stoic pilot
But it’s pretty hard to be rage capped
charred island
Avatar and Clap like a mother
undone sun
It's better to ip cap than to rage cap
undone sun
Ip is a dump regardless
sand egret
IP is a dump that isn't on the GCD so, yeah you can do both
charred island
You can get a demo between getting Avatar back up and dump that into either IP or Revenge for damage
sand egret
- you could get a parry and suddenly it's not even a dump anymore
sick sentinel
With avatar, every other gcd basically would be thunder and revenge right when in M+
sand egret
if you're just AoE deepin' yeah basically
stoic pilot
Usually it is for me.
But gotta be careful
Sometimes you don’t get procs lol
And can’t get block up
sick sentinel
Ye I watch for that
charred island
Avatar=Clap cheeks and depending on situation revenge or SB
sick sentinel
It's easy to tell if you will go below rage count tho
as it's just set 30 rage for shield and 30 rage for revenge
so it would be every other other gcd
I usually go clap revenge clap slam clap revenge etc
assuming I get slam procs
but like, I have 3 chances
warm plinth
You should still be using slam when it’s available in aoe. Otherwise you’re messing up rage generation and in turn messing up your cool down reduction via anger management.
Not sure if that was made clear
crystal dirge
Do you guys pull ticks at all in underrot this week? especially the big pack with 3 worms too
warm plinth
Gotta hit 300k amirite Kaege
warm plinth
Hell yeah. We don’t fuck around on the damage meters
sick sentinel
There, threw up my amazing tanking for you to look at and be impressed.
rancid palm
sand egret
ilvl
unfortunately haha
the weapon damage is the most important stat, and the 415 wins in that department
oblique garnet
it does good st damage
olive bane
new to prot warrior. what's the word on 8.2? will they be okay or will they get shredded?
supple path
tl;dr version "we'll be okay"
fickle urchin
i tried to tank KR 17. I got shredded. Shredded is painful and cannot reccomend.
like, dying on the bow miniboss with her raptor with no other mobs around just from ranged dmg.
supple path
Did you make sure to get your DPS killed by berserker bleeds while lecturing their corpses about how survivable you are?
fickle urchin
we had 14 deaths by first pull in the 4 miniboss room, and I called it.
shut summit
shouldnt be an issue with the archer anymore since you can block her shit
fickle urchin
well, I was dying a lot.
like, pull a pack,2 globals later i either am on 20% life, or have lost aggro. Pick one.
casts were getting through a lot though
fickle urchin
its like, i have no issue keeping active mitigation up, but when the incoming dmg is like that, i just cant make do with block or last stand, and I dont have the rage gen to pop IP every 2 seconds. I run out of big cooldowns, and rage spent on mitigation, and stun etc, and then i die.
and because 100% of the focus goes to staying alive, i sometimes loose aggro
like the packs before first boss, as tank, i interrupt the first cast, and then relfect the second, then the dps let the aoe-shadowbolt go off.
lusty grotto
idk man, dropping so hard on bow mini-boss is certainly weird
like zerkies and casters are another thing because if interrupts aren't done and you can't bait the bleed well, you are screwed
but the bow mini boss certainly shouldn't be a problem
fickle urchin
i charged, the rogue got 1shot, then i got active mitgation up, someone ate some raptor dmg, while the healer was writing in party at the rogue, then i was on 30% life and we didnt recover.
we literally wiped to 2 mobs.
lusty grotto
lmao well the rogue was at fault there
neon tangle
I think you mean the healer
lusty grotto
well heals cant do shit if you get 1 shot
swift flume
its weird how I feel way stronger as a HM Tauren Prot than a Pandaren prot, is that weird or are their damage reduction passives that noticable?
swift flume
Gotcha, I just thought since Vers is their best, being HM with the reduction passive ontop would be a no-brainer
lusty grotto
in the long run it doesn't matter
timber nest
is it possible to add the number of people that are in a discord channel next to the channel name?
lusty grotto
shit you just summoned tofu!
timber nest
like, x channel has 28 people in it
timber nest
thats fine
gm wants to know how many people are in discord during raid
at any given time
and he cba counting the names
lusty grotto
yeah there's a count for like X/total
or x/max
i suppose you would have to set a max
like this
shut summit
ye set a max like 99 or w/e and it will show current count
fickle urchin
nelfs have one of the best tanking passives imo
isnt it like 2% dodge?
that adds up.
neon tangle
@lusty grotto I might race change to female belf
lusty grotto
adds up to what? you can't dodge as a warrior
timber nest
@shut summit but how? which settings need to be changed
fickle urchin
wait what?
lusty grotto
you can't stack dodge, i should say
there's no way you can increase dodge in any way
fickle urchin
0+2 isnt 2%?
fickle urchin
and the dodge works on top of parry right?
neon tangle
I wonder if that is eliminated by the level of the bosses
fickle urchin
(they also get 1 crit or haste depending on time of day, so its like 3% during daylight, 1 parry 2 dodge)
neon tangle
Because they have -% for you to parry or dodge
sick sentinel
so like
lusty grotto
weren't you horde sadbox?
sick sentinel
you know when
neon tangle
@lusty grotto yes
sick sentinel
the priest wants to grip you on the elevator
fickle urchin
what do you mean they dont add up. Did they change something major? Back in the day warriors had dodge, not as much as druids, but they did have it, and it was part of the tanking passives, and worked WITH parry and block.
sick sentinel
but SOMEHOW get gripped off the elevator
lusty grotto
LMAO
undone sun
🤣
lusty grotto
ROFL
fickle urchin
i mean priest grip and dk grip.
fickle urchin
the opposite, should be punting the dk to the moon
sick sentinel
I mean the guy tried to help
lusty grotto
so pvp only ;p
fickle urchin
so, reflect a grip, and the dk should go flying to the moon.
that would be how its supposed to go!
lusty grotto
you should be able to reflect a grip, while coming down from skyhold when it was bugged
in legion
that would have been fun
DK goes flying out of the monitor to real life
analog zinc
from a purely dps standpoint when you're not tanking anything, is it a good idea to use your rage on shield block to buff shield slam?
lusty grotto
for dps yes
it buffs it so yeah
haha what that clip needs
is the "IM HELPING" sound
lusty grotto
hah
umbral forge
What
analog zinc
no but is it worth it to spend the rage on shield block or revenge?
sick sentinel
I messaged a dk friend
and used spell reflect
and told him to grip me
and it didn't do anything
I wanted the dk gripped to me!
sand egret
You shoulda foreseen the failure as soon as you realized you're friends with a DK.
silly edgy Arms warriors
lusty grotto
was he dueling you
well you certainly could in the past
that's weird i wonder when that got changed
eh
its still shadow magic, it should work
am i getting bamboozled
shut summit
Def worked that way before
timber nest
is the +400 stat gem from the helm better with lust or without?
willow scarab
I think you’re better using a strength pot because it’s bigger and lines up with avatar
Especially with lust
junior ivy
hi
timber nest
well id use +400 gem on when we arent lusting
+900 str pot when we are
cuz u cant 2nd pot with +400 gem
willow scarab
Why not 900 both times
All the top logs use strength pot so it must sim better
I only just got my first crown last night so interesting question though
lusty grotto
shit it doesnt work at all anymore @shut summit
young marlin
Bloodrite or a 2nd Bloodsport for Progression Blockade/Jaina? 420 breastplate of aerial protection
lusty grotto
are you soak tank on blockade?
willow scarab
Bloodrite for Jaina and tanking blockade, bloodsport for soaking blockade
lusty grotto
yeah it doesn't work anymore @sick sentinel, you used to be able to
young marlin
I am the tank getting shafted by Boss
we got the other tank on soak duty
We are at 2% on Blockade, should be dead tonight
timber nest
just call for dispells constantly
dispells are better than healing on that boss
if your on the boss
usually between 2-3 stacks each time
young marlin
Ya, I try dropping at 3, max at 4 but I got 2-3 points in the fight where I can leap with 5 stacks for add dispel without anyone but me getting hit with reaching attack
those are the logs if needed
timber nest
5 stacks arent worth it imo
looks as if you took 26 clean hits from his melees, if your dispelling frequently thats where most of your damage is from
willow scarab
Take bloodrite then and just get dispelled on 3/4 whilst standing max range
If it lines up with an add then cool but if it doesn’t no loss
inland bolt
thats 200iq
young marlin
ya, on our 2% wipe... His melee was #1 cause I called for dispels a lot. Does he melee that slow for only 26?
willow scarab
DS as well
young marlin
I always forget that one cause it has a nice uptime
edgy crag
what kinda traits should prot warrs go for
timber nest
bom
willow scarab
Depends what kind of content you want to di
At least one DC, after that bastion of might and blocking traits are good but it really depends on content
young marlin
Depends on what content you are doing, M+ or Raiding? What level of that content as well?
junior ivy
wheres everyone
undone sun
home
willow scarab
Uni
junior ivy
thyme i cant wait for last episode
junior ivy
SO GOOD. im trying to get people to watch it and no one will lol 😦
sick sentinel
hey cat
inland mesa
anyone know mythic restless cabal encounter id?
ivory barn
for a Weak Aura?
inland mesa
ye
junior ivy
i think i want the division 2
ivory barn
cant find it atm
ivory barn
^ sounds right
inland mesa
healers can't dispel and keep 2nd set of doubt from killing us
@shut summit have you killed this extra raid, is it even worth it?
just feels like another nut punch for us plebs that took longer than we should have on jaina, just to get to uu'nat where the useful stuff is
shut summit
ye we did it
inland mesa
but when they give the 420 healing trinket to a DK instead of me when I have no self heal, I cry
shut summit
definitely a punishing 2 bosses
willow scarab
It is a kick in the guts like I finished Jaina two weeks after cos came out
inland mesa
cabal is a tank snooze fest really, uu'nat at least looks fun with the guardians destroying you
willow scarab
I don’t think it was needed tbh
The first 50 pulls suck because you’re just gonna die to tank damage a lot
inland mesa
you killed jaina two weeks in and you're already on uu'nat?
willow scarab
Nobody was joking when they said the adds truck
shut summit
i personally enjoyed both fights quite a bit, but they're frustrating becuz its largely relying on the whole group working together well (lots of interrupts, dispels on 1st boss, etc)
willow scarab
Yeah
shut summit
lot of personal responsibility
willow scarab
Jaina April 28 and 47% on uunat now
inland mesa
are you just extending crucible? just feels like people aren't taking it seriously which is frustrating if i'm using my time here. I could see enjoying it more while raid leading it Sense, it is a nice collaboration fight, just the tank part is dull
willow scarab
Yeah but I’ve always extended final bosses
inland mesa
how many pulls did cabal take you? we killed jaina like same time
willow scarab
The loot isn’t good enough to waste time
inland mesa
cuz our main tank quit and it cost us two weeks finding new ones