protection

[empty inlet]

and youre actually useful

[exotic spoke]

And now we have glad stance effectively - more dps prot 😃

[robust urchin]

I just cried and asked him for his forgiveness

[whole shadow]

frost dk isn't doing much damage anyway

better in your hands.

[empty inlet]

frost dk is PogU next raid

[exotic spoke]

Neither are most warrior dps in raids

Arms and fury need some help

[robust urchin]

It's not like i could trade it anyway my trinkets were 370

Im even using rezans on my fury

[exotic spoke]

I mean - rezans is really good for prot too

[robust urchin]

Because i only have shit trinkets with low ilvl

[willow scarab]

Rezan's BiS for prot

[pale quail]

how good is the belt from cos?

[exotic spoke]

If I remember correctly it’s a downgrade assuming equal Ilvl because most items from CoS don’t have full secondary stats for its ilvl.

[empty inlet]

i really hate how they are designed

its like they are not meant for tanks

[willow scarab]

It's really good if you're progging Uu'nat and don't have a belt of the same ilvl

Also okay for Jaina

[exotic spoke]

Fumeiyo - I thought the belt from CoS had to be like 10 ilvls higher before it was better

[willow scarab]

Generally that's how I feel about it as well

But the effect is very good on content that you're gonna die on a lot

like uunat

[exotic spoke]

Fair

[sick sentinel]

how bad is this week

[ionic fern]

I guess you're talking about FOrt/Teeming/Quacking.
It's not too bad ..probably somewhere in the middle. Fort/Teeming is a pain as it is with the increased damage intake and quacking just messes up healers so it will make it even harder for them to cope with the extra damage.

[sick sentinel]

ye I get ye

I remember in legoin this would be a great weak

legion*

so I always forget if it's good or not

[stiff oracle]

Its a bad week

extra mobs on a fortified week isnt that nice

and bad quaking overlaps make certain fights very RNG based

[lusty grotto]

yeap

[sick sentinel]

rip

[lusty grotto]

i mean its not the worst week

[sick sentinel]

Legion this would be massive push 😢

since you would pull half the dungeon

instantly nuke everything

and just have a bdk

where they don't need heals

PEPEGA

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[stiff oracle]

Its probably the worst week possible

Theres no counterplay to teeming apart from player better (managing kicks) and doing more damage

[sick sentinel]

i just like doing big pad damage so this week is good :^)

[sand egret]

it just comes down to which mobs are the extra mobs....I can name a few that will ruin your day

quacking is just....quacking.

[ionic fern]

KR is horrid. Others are do-able.

[lusty grotto]

i think i missed a meme

its quaking

not quacking

[sand egret]

don't you ducking correct me

[lusty grotto]

fill me in on the meme

[ionic fern]

Granted some dungeons take more cordinarion depending on the pulls..e.g SOTS.

[lusty grotto]

🦆

[sand egret]

AD dice roll this week?

[lusty grotto]

AD dice roll

i cant wait to hop on ML and do my usual route forgetting completely about teeming and then see how our % is too low

wew

[sand egret]

I can wait to hop in ML. I can wait 7 days, at least.

[sick sentinel]

hm

I just beat a 415 DH

in damage xd

[sweet summit]

3rd BoM or 1st TC?

[sick sentinel]

3RD BoM gives you both damage and damage mitigation so I would say BoM

but that's just me

[lusty grotto]

6 extra seconds of 20% damage reduction and 15% more damage

1st DC

[neon tangle]

You’re thinking of DC

[lusty grotto]

should be the clear winner

well shit sorry

yeah BoM is the way to go

[sweet summit]

alright, thanks bois

[red wedge]

You should still have at least 1 DC though

[sweet summit]

i do

[red wedge]

😄

[unreal scarab]

almost hit 120 with my warrior now, i have a way harder feeling to get a ggro in dungeons than on my paladin but it might just be the gearscore difference

[red wedge]

thought you were saying drop your DC for a 3rd BOM.

[sick sentinel]

RosjenToday at 12:51 PM
3rd BoM or 1st TC?

[sweet summit]

have 3x BoM, 2x IF and 1x DC

[sick sentinel]

wat

[sweet summit]

should be fine, right?

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's what i thought too racial

[sick sentinel]

I'm confused how you got that concept

xd

[lusty grotto]

@unreal scarab it usually is ilvl difference, just make sure youre avataring constantly

[unreal scarab]

maybe i shouldnt compare a 118 to a 403 GS 😄

[neon tangle]

I think it’s because they said “1st TC”

[lusty grotto]

yeah probably lol

[red wedge]

@sweet summit Yes. 3bom, 2if and 1dc is fine

[neon tangle]

There’s always talk in here about having more DCs

[sweet summit]

thanks @red wedge

[strong forum]

im doing a 🤔 here, this build could work out with the meta changes for raid tanking as VDH, in theory

[sand egret]

swing and a miss

[strong forum]

or even go for soul rending instead

since its a meta focussed build with the essence proc

[sand egret]

looks around

ahem

🛡

[lusty grotto]

lmao nomeratur

[strong forum]

yea but im not in fel thingy

but theoretically could work couldnt it

[sand egret]

doesn't run Anger Management, not viable

[sick sentinel]

Current havoc is more of a tank than VDH

[vernal stirrup]

are there any prot warrior focused streamers or content creators

or even just tanking in general

that you guys recommend I mean

[lusty grotto]

naowh is a good one to watch that doesn't go for siphoning like a retard

plenty of folks here stream as well

[vernal stirrup]

what do you mean siphoning?

[ionic fern]

Sense also has a YT channel you can check

[lusty grotto]

^

[ionic fern]

Siphoning is the leech enchant on the weapon that some people use.

You SHOULD NOT use it tho

[sand egret]

If you wanna find Warrior-focused content, search for creators who have warrior content in 8.0 and look for their 8.1 stuff (if available). There are a bunch of streamers with content, that happen to be playing Warriors now, however.

So a few different flavors of content to choose from, imho.

[lusty grotto]

def recommend sense, if he's making new videos

[sand egret]

just the nature of being the "fotm" tanking class

[vernal stirrup]

I much prefer the more informative style of videos if that makes any difference

[lusty grotto]

what specifically are you looking for

more like the icy veins guide but in video form perhaps?

[sand egret]

like how-to guide for the basics?

[vernal stirrup]

idk if anybody does this but dungeon break downs and stuff like that

nah I know the basics

[lusty grotto]

ah

[sand egret]

so more like a warrior-specific M+ guide?

[lusty grotto]

but for prot specifics?

[vernal stirrup]

like raid fight guides

yea

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[sand egret]

not a video, but gonna plug tanknotes

[vernal stirrup]

reading is fine too

[paper orchid]

So I had enough residuum today to go ahead and gamble I bought a chest piece I currently have a 375 with passions might the new peace does not have bastian's might it does have the Thunderclap trait for the second ring and the iron Fortress and blood whatever for the first ring that would leave me with only two bastian's might however that's a big jump in strength do I go ahead and put that for 100 piece on or is the three bastian's might a necessity

[vocal skiff]

yes, ilvl is worth it

[sand egret]

https://tanknotes.tk/ - for raids is wonderful

[lusty grotto]

you're not gonna wear a 375 over a 415 mistabigs

[sand egret]

hell even if you know the content, check out the site for the UX alone

[lusty grotto]

really no need to think about it

[modern brook]

.I will

[red wedge]

@vernal stirrup You probably wont' find streamers giving advice through their runs, but if you just watch the runs, you can pick up a lot of good tricks to use.

[vernal stirrup]

but yea I have been tanking for a long time I just want the more protection focused stuff that I can leverage to be more pointed out to me

if thay makes sense

[red wedge]

And they'll usually respond if you ask why they did something at a specific time

[lusty grotto]

i'd say if you're looking for warrior specifics, the reflect guide is a great place

but if you've already read that

[modern brook]

a lot of that is log review though

[vernal stirrup]

the reflectance blockable spreadsheet?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[sand egret]

check #268491842637660160

[vernal stirrup]

alright I'll take a better look at it, I skimmed it before

[lusty grotto]

if you've gone through that

[sand egret]

Blockable/Reflectable Spells Sheet - https://goo.gl/Tb49B3

[modern brook]

How do u skim that which is like 8 scentences :^(

[lusty grotto]

i'd say just pick up on streamers, sure, see what they do on certain packs and what-not

[red wedge]

Read the first and last work

word, and extrapolate from there 😄

[lusty grotto]

also make sure what they do applies to you and stuff

[sand egret]

you prob won't get much explanation, but you can often see what they do and glean it yourself. If not, that's when you ask away 😃

[modern brook]

@lusty grotto remember when u got targeted by cyclone strike 3 times ina row last night :^(

[sand egret]

"why do people pull X and Y pack together" etc.

[lusty grotto]

hey man we timed that cause of your ass

[paper orchid]

Sending just does for our damage right what's the best references for exactly what should we should be doing whereas other classes I can kind of send my dear down to perfection is it just the stat weights and the ilvl and the traits that are say are best in guides and then that's it

[modern brook]

;^)

[lusty grotto]

its outlaw week now though 😃

[modern brook]

i just remember seeing it and i was super sad

i was like "dang"

[sand egret]

that's real sadness

[modern brook]

^

[sand egret]

reflecting CS is like one of the best moments in Prot for BFA

[lusty grotto]

except you can't reflect 3 strikes in a row

[red wedge]

The Cyclone reflect in temple.. I just dont try anymore. I've died so many times trying to do that. ;p

[lusty grotto]

you can do 2

[sand egret]

just gotta get your zen moment

and you just wax on and wax off that shit

ezpz

[lusty grotto]

my brother keeps wondering why that boss is always lower

[modern brook]

honestly the tos cyclone reflect is one of like 4 reasons why i havent abandoned my warrior altogether

[lusty grotto]

i keep asking myself if hes adopted cause ive explained it to him 20 times

[sand egret]

i really hope mechagon has some prime SR usage

[vocal skiff]

It's sad that they nerfed cyclone strike's damage

[sand egret]

(so people can see how insane SR is and warriors gets nerfed and my furboi becomes masterrace once again)

[lusty grotto]

it's still considerably good on tyrannical weeks

[sand egret]

it's free damage

and a lot of it

[lusty grotto]

but yeah i mean 10% per clone was a bit ridiculous

get 4 and you dropped 40% off boss on high tyrannical, i mean holy shit lol

yeap

[vocal skiff]

Yes, I know

But it was more glorious before nerf

[lusty grotto]

sure

[empty inlet]

did they nerf reflet or osmthing ?

[lusty grotto]

nah

they reduced cyclone strike damage a while ago

[empty inlet]

oh ya i remeber that

[trim talon]

Anything specific i need to know when tanking KR on +15?

Its the last dungeon i need for +15 achie

[modern brook]

bait bleeds onto your dps

when they die to it it looks like they messed up mechanics so no one will know ur just an epic tank

[oblique garnet]

are you na?

because if youre NA good luck with teeming fort kr

[modern brook]

^

[trim talon]

Im EU

[modern brook]

save lust for things that actually need lust

ie: zul and spooky ghost room

rather than 1st and 3rd bosses

maybe you still do 1st boss to get one in on 2nd?

im not sure

theres not a lot on your end tbh

past not pulling like a mongo

[analog swift]

I always lust on first pull of trash, focus one caster kicking the other. It's back up by the next room for the reaping generally, then you can typically lust first beserker pack then lust zul gg

[lusty grotto]

bull i hear youre looking for dice

oooh nice

hard mode for mechagon bosses

like ulduar hard modes

[red wedge]

My group rolled a 17 and 18 FH out of their caches. Joy

[lusty grotto]

ya we got 2 FHs

checking mine now

[red wedge]

I wont get home from work for another 4 hours. 😦

[lusty grotto]

ah no 3rd FH

no worries

[sand egret]

If you're looking for dice, I can check my tanks' keys. I may get some FH rolls

[livid totem]

@paper orchid Dude... Ponctuation. Learn how to put them please.

[shadow timber]

which would you wear

[outer dew]

Wtf

There's another Tofu

[paper orchid]

Sorry. I forgot there's people out there that get their panties in a wod whether i use a comma or period.
I was on my phone using speak to text suzie.

[outer dew]

What is this scammer

[shadow timber]

okay but which boots

[livid totem]

40 str vs 40 haste

basically

I'd go for the 410 one.

[lusty grotto]

@outer dew you think that's weird, imagine there being 2 bullfangos

[outer dew]

I dont believe you @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

a socket isn't worth 15 ilvls btw

try to @ him

go for the 410

[outer dew]

Only see one

[lusty grotto]

lmao

hes gone

tofu i swear i wasn't lying there were 2

[marsh crypt]

Hey peeps. I have now 3xBastion of Might on my azerite gear. I assumed that was good. Is there a speicial way to tank with that ?

[lusty grotto]

not anything different from what you should already be doing

which is doing avatar almost on cd

[marsh crypt]

how do they stack ?

[lusty grotto]

how do they stack? the mastery adds up

[sand egret]

Mastery Value stacks. Still a single cast of IP on use

[marsh crypt]

IP ? 😦

ah ye

[lusty grotto]

BoM makes it so when you avatar you gain Mastery and a free Ignore Pain

[marsh crypt]

ignore pain ofc

[lusty grotto]

you only get 1 IP

but with 3x BoM you get 3x Mastery

[marsh crypt]

ye, which is nice

its better for M+ I assume ? fior raids brace for impact ?

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

like the icy veins guide says

[west kayak]

Alchy trink, Jes Howler, Rezan Eye and Diamond. All equally at the same iLvl, what would y'all choose?

[lusty grotto]

content type?

M+?

[west kayak]

Mainly, yes. I used to raid alot but freetime is rare

[lusty grotto]

you're pretty much gonna use Rezan in just about all cases from that combination

[marsh crypt]

btw thx nimchip/bladesong for the help

[lusty grotto]

Diamond could be switched with any of the other 2, depending if you need more dps for your group (jes) or not (alch), or just be more defensive (stay with diamond)

[west kayak]

They are all 410 except the Diamond which is 415

[lusty grotto]

so more dps for group = jes,
happy medium = alch,

being defensive = diamond

[west kayak]

Sounds good, thank you. :)

[lusty grotto]

if only for personal dps you could sim yourself but i'd be willing to say it'll be alch vs jes

rough to say

but i'd be willing to lean on Alch's side

honestly try them all for different situations

[west kayak]

I run Rezan + Diamond currently. I just got Jes today in chest and with the group I run with it will probably help.

I dont worry too much about my survival as my AZ traits are aimed at that.

One last question, I have the Eng goggles. Is there a helm better than those currently?

[red wedge]

I run Sea Brawler's for a BoM and DC on the helm.

[lusty grotto]

this week is a good week for diamond though, especially if you're pushing

eng goggles are slightly competitive with any 415 helm, but you could try for a BoM one

plus very decent for bleeds etc

[red wedge]

The only reason I use Sea Brawler's over the engi helm is because it has both bom and dc

[lusty grotto]

like on a KR it might be best to go eng goggles for example, though that's kind of a personal choice

[red wedge]

Personally, I dont think I've ever seen the helm strip a bleed for me.. but the hope is there. 😉

[lusty grotto]

if you feel you can bait bleeds exceptionally well then no need for them

yeah that's true

sometimes though its good for RNGesus to take the wheel

[cobalt ibex]

Jes Howler vs Vial of Animated Blood, both same ilvl, which is better for mainly m+?

[lusty grotto]

vial for you, jes for your group

[cobalt ibex]

alright thank you

[inland bolt]

Just go vial realistically for M+

dont go for jes at same ilvl

its use is subpar on warriors

and its not even a vial for you, jes for your group option - literally no one runs jes as a prot war in m+ lol

[cobalt ibex]

kk

[lusty grotto]

low key jab

whatever will i do

[inland bolt]

just giving advice for the average tank player lol, no jabs here

[lusty grotto]

honestly i didn't think i'd be in a position to defend jes

[warm plinth]

How does the engi helm work? If you get a bleed there's x% chance it removes it (or a stack of it anyway)?

[lusty grotto]

yeah it's RNG

[warm plinth]

Lame

[lusty grotto]

and it only removes 1 stack

[inland bolt]

dont even bother gearing for it

[warm plinth]

Should be on ICD where it can remove one every x seconds

[inland bolt]

its a meme trait

[warm plinth]

I don't have professions; I was just curious how it worked.

[west kayak]

I use the robot shield and it works out pretty well.

[lusty grotto]

paging @sick sentinel

[inland bolt]

i mean if you dont have other helm options you can run the engi helm

ilvls are still nice

[warm plinth]

I'd have to play my warrior to need gear D:

[sick sentinel]

I was ponged

What's up

[lusty grotto]

were you a cauterizer boi or robot boi

[sick sentinel]

Was a robot boy

Got fed up with it

[mortal brook]

robot boi! #dorf stronk

[sick sentinel]

Fucking my shrouds

And then became hot boy

Never looked back

[lusty grotto]

i see

[sick sentinel]

Bleed removal was clutch

[lusty grotto]

it's a meme trait though

[sick sentinel]

And it procces often

[lusty grotto]

according to MDI players

[sick sentinel]

No its good

Oh for fucks sake nim

[lusty grotto]

just sayin man

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, bye

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[oblique garnet]

@lusty grotto ITS OVER

[lusty grotto]

gzzzz

do you have the KR one though

[oblique garnet]

yes

[lusty grotto]

oo

[oblique garnet]

fuck that mount tho

[sick sentinel]

Gz

[oblique garnet]

i wanted the parrot

[lusty grotto]

and the UR one too?

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

bro i like mummified raptor

[sick sentinel]

Now you can finally quit the game?

[lusty grotto]

classic full time?

i feel dirty saying that

[oblique garnet]

now i can quit yes

and live my life

maybe ill even go outside

watch the birds or smth

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

dobby free

[oblique garnet]

I didnt even loot the sharkbait xD

went to help friend do like a fh +5

and he got the mount XDD

[lusty grotto]

o

wait what

did he give to you or something?

[oblique garnet]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

nice

[umbral forge]

wait, late got the parrot?

[robust aurora]

is it better to put rage into SB or IP during a reaping only pack?

[lusty grotto]

whoa Jettom you're alive?!

[umbral forge]

yes

[lusty grotto]

both @robust aurora

[umbral forge]

I'm trying to get together a +15 Shrine group atm ;_;

[lusty grotto]

on a reaping pack you will have enough rage for both, on high stacks IP takes a bit of priority since magic dot ticks, but... you are still getting melee'd so any damage you can reduce via SB will help out

[oblique garnet]

I mean it only took 500ish runs on fh

to get the mount

[sick sentinel]

I have about 300runs and I haven't even seen it drop

[lusty grotto]

i saw it drop once

to a random rogue

kinda shitty that you can't bonus roll it

[robust aurora]

thanks nim, my question was more like if you had to choose between 1 or the other, if you were playing the pack without avatar and were a bit more rage starved

and i was putting more into IP for the magic

[lusty grotto]

well i can't really think of a scenario like that but

like i said it depends on your stacks

low stacks there's no reason to use IP over SB

that being said they stack fast on a full reap so

i honestly don't prio IP cause i know after 15 stacks ill get cleansed

and that's when i shockwave -> reflect

so to answer your question, and if you're not getting cleansed fast enough on high stacks then it should be okay to use IP over SB

on a rage-starved situation

(also ok to use shield wall)

[robust aurora]

cool, thank you. appreciate your feedback

[lusty grotto]

just remember though

high stacks means high damage, which will melt your IP... so if you do not have rage you will be in a very dangerous situation

[honest frigate]

Go IP heavy on bosses like 3rd/4th boss of ML since they just do magic damage

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[outer dew]

??

@robust aurora nim crazy

Wtf

So

The way you do reaping is constantly reapply stacks

As long as you dont let it tick the 3 seconds

[sick sentinel]

Oh tofu

[outer dew]

You never take reaping damage

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[outer dew]

So in theory, if someone stuns reaping

[sick sentinel]

And then somebody stuns and you die?

[outer dew]

They trying 5o assassinate you

Lmao

I mean

Its 3 seconds

[lusty grotto]

haha

[outer dew]

But at that point

If you were gonna die to reaping

[undone sun]

Imagine not having a group constantly trying to kill you

[outer dew]

The difference isnt gonna be because you missed an ip

[lusty grotto]

y u do dis tofu

[outer dew]

You know it's true

That 2-3 extra ip isnt gonna be what assassinates you

[sick sentinel]

Thing is, tofu

You have to aoe stun

For the casters

[outer dew]

And that's fine

The stun rotation starts early

So the first dispell is easy

And at that point DR is gonna be less than 3

So you will get a reapply pretty easy

You can even purposely not stun one guy

[lusty grotto]

lmao this wq alliance has

with the penguin

wtf

[outer dew]

Its great

Isnt it

It's an achievement too

[lusty grotto]

it auto plays music even though my music is muted

[outer dew]

Alliance is great

[lusty grotto]

sure tofu sure

[dire gull]

What are the best raid trinkets?

[mortal brook]

the ones with the highest ilvl, generally.

esp the ones not protection-exclusive

[lusty grotto]

20 mins waiting for a tank for AD

alliance

draenor timewalking week 😮

[oblique garnet]

Feels NA man

Nim

I did

10 weeklies : ))

[lusty grotto]

wdym

[oblique garnet]

im exited to get fuck all from chests

Come play on Eu already man

we need some puerto rico people here

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[honest frigate]

Anyone done warrior Stormwall soaks? Is it just take indomitable and use SR/externals and defensives as needed/on rotation

[oblique garnet]

I would still take bolster

Shorter duration on LS

Is worth more imo

[honest frigate]

Maybe but I'm not going to be tanking boss and 2 min vs 3 min cd doesn't feel like much?

I feel like passive extra 10% hp for soaks is more worth

My hp goes from 367k to 404k unbuffed

I only ask bc I normally do soaks on my DK but want to do it on warrior tonight for a shot at the chest

[shut summit]

Either way will work really

I use bolster personally but I'm sure indom would be fine too with that hp

[toxic wadi]

Does stacking bastion of might help?

[sick sentinel]

Absolutely

[oblique garnet]

@toxic wadi in what sense?

In soaking on blockades

?

[toxic wadi]

Well let me ask, what does stacking bastion of might do\

?

Does it give more ignore pain absorb?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

Bigger ignore pains

But

You also get that from bloodspoet

[toxic wadi]

oh ok

Should I pick that over iron fortress?

[oblique garnet]

If youre soaking yes

Iron fortress doesnt help at all in that

[toxic wadi]

ok ty

what about for mythic plus?

[sick sentinel]

Stack bastion x3

[toxic wadi]

kk ty

[empty inlet]

still cant get a vamperic speed helm or chest

😭

[timber nest]

they worth you think?

[lusty grotto]

nay

[sudden kayak]

hi any one knw if blood sport stacks

[lusty grotto]

it does

[sudden kayak]

kk

[umbral forge]

@timber nest the gauntlets are shit for tanks.

Absolute garbage

[sick sentinel]

@sudden kayak #268491842637660160 it's in the FaQ

[umbral forge]

30k damage is like 3 seconds at most of active tanking.

usually 1-2

[honest frigate]

Ty @shut summit

[empty inlet]

its like blizzard didn't use their brain when designing these items

[lusty grotto]

lmao nimchy got fucked on azerite roll

yet again

[oblique garnet]

Thats what you get for being alliance

[lusty grotto]

yeah no doubt

[sick sentinel]

@umbral forge these are dps gloves

[umbral forge]

yeah

and this is a prot warr discord

chat room

[sick sentinel]

Just say that then

[umbral forge]

I also said

"the gauntlets are shit for tanks."

So I did?

[sick sentinel]

Oh sorry lmao

[umbral forge]

no prob no prob

[lusty grotto]

shit

wheres the entrance for alliance for BoD

lmao

[umbral forge]

oh

the docks

[lusty grotto]

i flew to the horde entrance

[oblique garnet]

Kage got schooled by Jettom ???

[umbral forge]

next to the alliance boat

[lusty grotto]

wtf lol

[oblique garnet]

What a world

[umbral forge]

The entrance is in Boralus, next to the boat where you do the mission table.

[lusty grotto]

lol wtf haha

[umbral forge]

you enter by boat

[sick sentinel]

Dude I'm tired

[lusty grotto]

yeah yeah gotcha

[sick sentinel]

wait

[umbral forge]

and late I am very good at reading and learning stuff about game
Putting it into execution as well. My trial in my new guild is doing really great.

just been casual for all of BfA so far because of that shitty guild I was in

[sick sentinel]

@umbral forge did you delete a message or 2?

[umbral forge]

no

I don't delete messages

https://i.imgur.com/aiRx7ie.png

[oblique garnet]

I see jettom im happy for you

[umbral forge]

was on disc with raid leader.

He essentially said I passed my trial and that I could do Nazjatar as a Hunter

which is great because well, I prefer Hunter over Priest

[oblique garnet]

Probably gonna fail my trial lmao

Jkjk

[umbral forge]

My Spriest is soon 1.5k r.io now, actually spent 2 hours today getting a group together and got 100 score, that was fun. Hoping to get 1800-1900 before Nazjatar, should be easy, I tear dungeons apart now.

https://i.imgur.com/Zm4Bou2.png
(It's a visual bug I do have a gem)
he's so optimalized for m+ it's insane.

[lusty grotto]

wtf no more mog

😦

[oblique garnet]

Actually enjoying doing keys with @sick sentinel he isnt kiting and does pulls like i would do in m+

[umbral forge]

I'm going back to farmer soon

[lusty grotto]

😄

[umbral forge]

Yeah I've seen

I lurk his server

[sick sentinel]

Imagine kiting btw

[umbral forge]

The Shrine I asked you to join also went on time; I for sure wasn't expecting that.

Kiting when you have an Ele Shaman

[oblique garnet]

Id rather die than kite

[umbral forge]

that's what you do if you hate your shaman lol

[primal sable]

Only nerfclap skilled or higher have permission to kite

[oblique garnet]

(Which is why i dont do keys on necrotic sanguine week)

[umbral forge]

fun fact

Remember that shitty guild I was in?

[oblique garnet]

Peak gameplay kiting half the dungeon because affixes forces you to do so such enjoyable gameplay 8))

[atomic isle]

Question, how ugly are my stats for prot. Crit:15% Haste:20% Mastery:29% Versatility: 11%.

[primal sable]

No statshaming pls

[umbral forge]

What's your leech?
jk
Stats are ok. Is the 20% without Into The Fray?

[atomic isle]

yea

2%

leech

[primal sable]

Pog

[atomic isle]

38% with max into the fray

what should i aim for more of

[final mist]

Ilevel.

[sick sentinel]

Ilvl

[oblique garnet]

Oh no the 🚓🚓 is here pack up bois

[young kindle]

Is Vers or Mastery better for m+ if same iLVl

[final mist]

I’m always here.

[undone sun]

(X)

[sick sentinel]

@young kindle haste/crit for mplus

Haste/vers for raids

[oblique garnet]

I havent seen you in a while Sal

[sick sentinel]

On same ilvl

Sal is fun police

[final mist]

[shut summit]

moderating the ffxiv channel

[undone sun]

🤣

[oblique garnet]

Sense are you planning on updating your UI soon?

The last dl link on your stream was out of date last time i tried it

[shut summit]

ya ill get around to it

[undone sun]

Soon™

[sick sentinel]

Tm

[oblique garnet]

Is this like

Blizzard Soon or

[shut summit]

😏

[lusty grotto]

👋

is the expansion out yet

or soon?

[final mist]

Soon ™

[spice pivot]

Does anyone have an opinion on GSE for Prot?
Is using a GSE Macro for maintaining active mitigation silly or passable? (Havn't had complaints in M10's & Heroic BoD so far but am afraid I'm under performing)

[lusty grotto]

hmm what's GSE

[timber nest]

how good is this trinket?

[spice pivot]

Gnome Sequencer Enhanced Add On

[lusty grotto]

dunno

does GSE know when you're getting hit by blockable attacks though?

you migth wanna consider that

[final mist]

It’s a cast sequence addon.

Generally shit like that sucks.

[lusty grotto]

interesting

[sick sentinel]

You might wanna start using your brain while playing the game

[lusty grotto]

whoa kaege be nice

[sick sentinel]

Instead of the game playing by itself

[final mist]

I don’t know what the addon does, but castsequence macros:

1. Don’t work.
2. Don’t work for us specifically because we’re both tanks and our rotation is less a rotation and more a priority system.

Also don’t be a cunt, Kaege.

He came asking for help, not to be ridiculed.

[umbral forge]

kaege bullies a lot ;_;

[lusty grotto]

kaege kaege, i have a question for you though

[sick sentinel]

Greeks are inherently toxic I can't help it

[lusty grotto]

what do ML 24 tyrannical

wat do

[sick sentinel]

22 was chill

[oblique garnet]

Thats strange kage is never toxic towards me

Did you time the 22?

[lusty grotto]

nice

[sick sentinel]

We didn't time because I was retarded on the last boss

[lusty grotto]

what happened

[sick sentinel]

But we reached him with like 6 mins

[oblique garnet]

Ah so nothing changed from the 21 8)

[umbral forge]

Late, you're the Tywin of the Prot Warrior Discord.
Kaege is the Bronn.

[empty inlet]

i died last week

on 24 ml 3rd boss

[sick sentinel]

I did to micro missiles

[empty inlet]

and we left the dungeon LUL

[sick sentinel]

While CRing healer

[oblique garnet]

Excuse me Jettom?

[umbral forge]

What

[sick sentinel]

Because the ENGINEER rogue did not have a rez

[final mist]

Listen, if anyone here is Tywin, it’s not any of you, none of you are nearly clever or wise enough tbh.

[umbral forge]

I mean

Sal

[final mist]

[sick sentinel]

Sal's right

[umbral forge]

I'd respect your opinion on this but I have 4543 posts in this channel and this is the first time I see a blue name here

[lusty grotto]

i was gonna ask book tywin or hbo tywin but i realized that there's not a lot of difference, charles dance is awesome

[sick sentinel]

I'm a mongo tbh

[umbral forge]

Charles Dance is amazing

[undone sun]

definitely played the part extremely well

[final mist]

I have like 4 times the posts you have in here Jettom.

[umbral forge]

yah

[oblique garnet]

So jettom what youre saying im scary and kage wont bully me because of that?

[umbral forge]

yea

[final mist]

Also Charles Dance was amazing. He’s amazing in pretty much everything tbh.

[oblique garnet]

Its really shame how they ended the series

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Dumb & Dumber

[oblique garnet]

It just felt unfinished

[umbral forge]

but I have 4547 posts here since the year started.
You have 1110 since the year started.

That's not a bash on you or the other blues btw, I think this is the best class discord by far :p

[final mist]

It was on that track since S3/4 tbh

[umbral forge]

I've been living in /r/freefolk

[sick sentinel]

I respect late because of how hard I find to disagree with him

[umbral forge]

Yeah

[final mist]

Post count doesn’t matter, post quality matters.

[lusty grotto]

without spoilers... it was absolutely fucking retardedly rushed

[umbral forge]

Like he says something and you just can't debunk it

[timber nest]

im sorry i missed it, is any good?

[undone sun]

yeah, look at me, post count and quality @final mist

😏

[final mist]

😬

[oblique garnet]

Its ok for dps @timber nest

[sick sentinel]

And then look at me

Post count and quality

Legit the opposite of sal

[undone sun]

oof

[sick sentinel]

I talk a lot and I say retarded shit all day

[final mist]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

[umbral forge]

I am not allowed to use the british word for cigarettes.
I am always offended by that

[lusty grotto]

bundle of sticks?

[oblique garnet]

I give actual advices but people never take me seriously until they try it 😒

[umbral forge]

Late how do I get my priest better

[oblique garnet]

Practice

[primal sable]

Learn to skillforge

[lusty grotto]

pray before each key press

[umbral forge]

what's skillforge

[primal sable]

Its the ability to loot humongous titanforges

[final mist]

Titan/warforging.

[oblique garnet]

Jettom im willing to give you coaching on sp for gold

[willow scarab]

@timber nest not as good as vial or mekka trinket purely because it doesn’t line up with avatar, you’re better using other trinkets if you have them. It’s bis for fury if that matters to you

[umbral forge]

🤔

[oblique garnet]

Its better for damage than either of those trinkets

[sick sentinel]

My dms are less retarded tho

[willow scarab]

It’s better if you’re using a single avatar reference

[lusty grotto]

when are we making Kaegebot

[willow scarab]

But the 2 minutes makes it worse

[umbral forge]

Trigger: Question mark.
Reply: "DM @sick sentinel your question"

[oblique garnet]

You use it to compensate on ST

[timber nest]

@willow scarab i have a 415 + socket mekka trinket and a 410 vial...

😦

[sick sentinel]

I legit got 5 dms just yesterday

[willow scarab]

Use them both for the meme build

[lusty grotto]

if we make Kaege bot, we will have to do 1 for each of the blues and yellows

[willow scarab]

And have an on use for every avatar

[sick sentinel]

No nim

[willow scarab]

I have no vial and no mekka but I want both so badly

[sick sentinel]

Most of them don't even play anymore

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[oblique garnet]

Vial is mediocre

[umbral forge]

I remember when kaege first DM'd me just to call me a weeb lover of men

[oblique garnet]

Honestly

[lusty grotto]

they will in 8.2 though!

[willow scarab]

Yes we talk about this everyday

[oblique garnet]

Youre better off with any other trinket

[sick sentinel]

No jet

[timber nest]

@willow scarab is it reallyt a dps increase to hold a vial/mekka trinket for 30+ seconds?

[oblique garnet]

Huh?

[willow scarab]

It’s a meme build

You have one trinket active for every avatar

[umbral forge]

oh right first DM was that ret paladin from my meme guild

[willow scarab]

It presents good results

[sick sentinel]

I dmed you so you could link me a ret palas logs for entertainment purposes

[oblique garnet]

Youre not holding the trinkets

Youre using them combined with avatar

[willow scarab]

Mekka trinket + block / rezans is safer

You’re technically holding a trinket for 45s at the start of the fight

[oblique garnet]

Vial on the first avatar engine on the 2nd

And then you repeat

[willow scarab]

But other than that you’re using them on cd

[timber nest]

gonna test on grong

hmmm

[umbral forge]

I joined that guild 14 days ago.
Ever wiped on Grong Heroic for a hour?

I have

[willow scarab]

Look at the logs of people using it first

It looks good man

I wish I had access to the trinkets

[oblique garnet]

Just raid

[primal sable]

casual guild casual raid?

[oblique garnet]

I need big titanforge weapon

[timber nest]

do sims undervalue vial? cuz it always says my block with a socket isbetter with mekka trinket

[lusty grotto]

pfft raids

[oblique garnet]

No they dont undervalue vial

Its exactly how vial really is

[sick sentinel]

Sims slightly overvalue it even

[oblique garnet]

Its not good

[umbral forge]

Andrew, you should try to get Syringe

[willow scarab]

Block is better if you’re looking to perform to sim

[sick sentinel]

Because you are going to macro your vial your avatar and lose 1/6 of the big buff

[oblique garnet]

Not even that

Its the first 2 claps only that are huge

After that its just downhill

[willow scarab]

Nerf warriors by making avatar a 2 minute cd so I can use lurkers + pvp badge

[oblique garnet]

Now the pvp version of vial on the otherhand

[willow scarab]

Instead of vial mekka

[oblique garnet]

Thats big

[sick sentinel]

That's a 2 min cd tho

[willow scarab]

Read what I said though

[sick sentinel]

My answer was to late

I saw what you read

And it kinda makes sense lmao

[outer dew]

Make it so that trinkets dont share CDs so I can make the swifty one shot macro

[willow scarab]

I wouldn’t mind slightly less avatars but bigger ones

[oblique garnet]

God yes

Howler + pvp trinket + avatar swifty oneshot macro

[outer dew]

Tbh

Just somehow run 2x Pvp Trinekt

Or 2x Rage for memes

[willow scarab]

You could run last seasons and this seasons I think

Or you use to be able to do that years ago

[sick sentinel]

Clap every gcd

200% haste

[willow scarab]

Open up a third trinket slot

[sick sentinel]

Be a literal god

[willow scarab]

We’ll be 200% next tier

[timber nest]

hmm

15.3k

[willow scarab]

I already break 150%

[timber nest]

on mythic grong

3 grips

[oblique garnet]

Not bad

[willow scarab]

Yeah that’s not bad

That’s like a 97%?

Do you have perfect traits

[sick sentinel]

Grips scuff your dps as well

[oblique garnet]

I finallt get to run my perfect traits aswell tomorrow

[willow scarab]

If you’re trying to log you gotta let the other tank die if the combo comes out weird

[outer dew]

Tbh, just tell your healers to heal through the rampage

[oblique garnet]

Got big traits to try and get those rank 1 parses

[outer dew]

And stack boss on adds

Real goals

[willow scarab]

Do it late

Join me on all stars

It’s my first week I don’t know anyone

[oblique garnet]

I need to get weapon

[timber nest]

@willow scarab 2 BoM, 1 DC, 3x TC

[willow scarab]

I’m on 415 weapon and shield

420.8 Ilvl

[oblique garnet]

Yh i have 410

[willow scarab]

Yeah you’re set then Andrew

[oblique garnet]

Its a limiting factor

[willow scarab]

That’s a 99 parse without grips for sure

That’s a big rip

410 bl

[oblique garnet]

I have 3x BoM 1 DC 2 TC for raids

[willow scarab]

Almost bis

[oblique garnet]

Its not almost bis

It actually is bus

Bis

[timber nest]

@oblique garnet 3x tc sims higher than 3x bom

but ok

[willow scarab]

3x tc 2x bom 1x dc is

You got it backwards

[oblique garnet]

Hm maybe ill change the traits in my chest then

[lusty grotto]

shit chipadin got the trinket off champs

wtf is my shield and chest

[undone sun]

sims default to 100% uptime on TC

[willow scarab]

You might wanna do some last minute research on the top parses to make sure you haven’t missed anything like 3x tc

realistically if your healers are good tc uptime is around 95-97%

In my experience and logs I’ve loooked at*

[oblique garnet]

Ill have to sim it tmrw before the raid

But if i go with lurkers it might hurt my tc uptime🤔

[willow scarab]

This is a no trolling channel

[oblique garnet]

Im not trolling

I hardly get any healer attention

[willow scarab]

Why would you run lurkers at all

425 socket? And no other trinkets above 400?

[oblique garnet]

Its better than most trinkets even at 410 base

By a mile

[willow scarab]

Well

I look forward to your logs with it

[timber nest]

i have the same problem from my healers Late

[willow scarab]

Let us know how it performed for you

I shared my lurkers

[oblique garnet]

Also i dont have giga engine or anchor

[willow scarab]

Sharded

[lusty grotto]

time for chipadin to get penetrated by the random azerite

[oblique garnet]

How much are you simming fumeiyo?

[willow scarab]

I have no idea

I don’t aim

Sim

[outer dew]

See

Good prot

[oblique garnet]

I did it to meme one of our guildies alt warrior

[outer dew]

Pretends sims dont exist

[willow scarab]

I know sims exist?

[oblique garnet]

His 414 fury warrior sims only 2k more than my prot xD

[willow scarab]

I use to play dps for years

I just don’t feel it’s necessary for prot

I analyse logs and then I perform well

[undone sun]

it's never necessary

for anyone

[oblique garnet]

I just press my buttons

Thats about it

[lusty grotto]

whoops im retarded, chipadin only got 1400 residuum

still got penetrated 😄

[willow scarab]

My sim use to be 16.5

But I don’t know how long ago that was

In m+ I do 18k+ to single target bosses so I’m gonna guess I sim 18-18.5 I’ll check later and post it

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i broke 20k running 3x BoM 2xTC 1xDC

I have to test out and see if tc actually will perform better

[exotic spoke]

Feels bad doesn’t it? Buff fury and arms amirite

[oblique garnet]

Noni

[willow scarab]

Buff prot

[oblique garnet]

Buff orit

Prot

[undone sun]

pass

[oblique garnet]

Shush thyme

Just because you resubbed doesnt mean you play

[undone sun]

🤣

[lusty grotto]

wait

you resubbed thyme?!

[undone sun]

yeh

[lusty grotto]

😮

yikes

WoD timewalking still 385

[outer dew]

Tbh

[undone sun]

still only really playing every other day or when im super bored

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[outer dew]

If thyme doesnt become a bear main

[robust urchin]

385 what?

[lusty grotto]

nod

[outer dew]

Gonna be sad

[timber nest]

hmm

new top parse on jadefire

pog

[lusty grotto]

the cache from the quest gives you 385 ilvl items

[timber nest]

rank 50

[undone sun]

be prepared to be sad

[robust urchin]

Eww

Guess I don't have to do it then

[lusty grotto]

ill just lvl my druid through it i guess

[robust urchin]

Is rather go quest again instead of doing wod timewalks

They didn't even put in grimrail

Smh

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[outer dew]

You're a feral mainm

??

[undone sun]

no

[lusty grotto]

i like feruls

but nimchippy is perma resto

[oblique garnet]

Shaman is where all the fun is

[lusty grotto]

you know that shaman is the only class besides warlock that ive never played

[oblique garnet]

Ive wasted half of my life playing warlock

Its just not fun anymore

[warm plinth]

Playing warlock 🤢

[undone sun]

i played lock in MoP and beginning of WoD

[warm plinth]

I knew there was at least a tiny part of you I didn't like Thyme

[lusty grotto]

hmm

hehe

[undone sun]

lol

very beginning of wod, switched halfway through higmaul

[old night]

for mythic stormwall, should I go rezans idol, rezans prism, or idol prism?

idol prism rezans are 410, prism is 415

[outer dew]

@old night are you MT or soak?

[old night]

mt

[wispy plume]

best engi belt enchant?

[outer dew]

Rezan/Prism should be fine

You won't spike out of nowhere

[old night]

kk

[outer dew]

It's just constant rot

[old night]

thx tofu ❤

[timber nest]

how does everyone delay their avatars for p3 of rastakhan? mine ALWAYS line up with inevitable end

[oblique pike]

if you heroic leap or intervene during grong throw (you're targeted) does the fall-off damage apply to where you intervene/leap to or where the raider with the throw target was when you land?

[lusty grotto]

hey @vocal skiff you wanna do the 11 AD?

i had to take a break

[vocal skiff]

going to heal a Shrine+14 now

[lusty grotto]

ok ok gl

[vocal skiff]

thanks for the reminder though

[lusty grotto]

chipadin coming on up on keys

[night crow]

Hey, can you sidestep shadow cleave as the tank in Waycrest?

[distant crystal]

🤔

[warm plinth]

lul

[lusty grotto]

hahaha

lmao

not really surprising but christ

that's some bad spirit link usage i guess :p

well maybe not bad, but at least bad luck

[outer dew]

Not really

Thays probably 2-3 retards getting hit by swell

That and you getting hit by voltaic flash was pretty bad anyway

[lusty grotto]

yeah

that was a given

welp rogues lost smoke bomb from conflict and strife

and ferals/boomkins gained thorns

50% slow on thorns might be good 🤔

[distant crystal]

i mean we sit in the voltaic

the orb not getting picked up i guess was the main thing

[unreal scarab]

You guys think prot will still has his high value after 8.2 launches?

[inland mesa]

when they give a 420 uu'nat healing trinket to the DK instead of the warrior D:

[warm plinth]

Yes, prot is mostly unchanged; the damage nerf isn't going to be meaningful to our current relative strength.

[ebon lagoon]

Hey, prot question

If I'm fighting something that's more of a caster than a bruiser, should I save my Shieldblocks, pooling rage for IG, and just eat the melee autoattacks?

[neon tangle]

@unreal scarab nobody really knows until the affix is fleshed out, prot will likely be fine

[ionic fern]

@ebon lagoon if he doesn't melee hard..e.g Shadow of Zul then yes - dump rage into IP instead.

[unreal scarab]

@neon tangle Sounds good. Swapped from my main paladin and really enjoy the playstile and mobility of warrior.

[neon tangle]

Worst case they will prolly be where pally is now, totally able to complete high keys even if they aren’t the “meta” tank

[ebon lagoon]

Okay, thank you

[exotic spoke]

Saw the upgrade twice on M+ chest in td 20..

got excited...

howler with socket and leech but only 400 😦

Ring with leech.. but only 400 😦

[unreal scarab]

That deserves a huge F :(

[exotic spoke]

RIP

Shards for the Shard throne

[unreal scarab]

Tears for the teargod!

[sick sentinel]

@unreal scarab swap from pally why?

I love warrior tank - wonder who’s gonna be the new meta tank in 8.2

[unreal scarab]

Tanked with warrior on a private server on frostmane, fell in love with it. Started a paladin as a healer in BFA than switched back to tanking. Don't get me wrong I still love him and his silence/utility. It s just something different. I love the mobility of warrior. And I don't know. Maybe just my old love for it. And when he became very viable again I thought why not give him a try. I m just doing around +13-15 with my paladin so i guess it doesn't matter that hard which tank. But I m curious once I get my warrior that high how I will feel the difference in their style.

• it's hilarious to see that lil gnome jump and charge around my screen.

[sick sentinel]

Haha true!

I’m looking for a second tanks - just to add a bit of variation, I’m thinking monk maybe

i like vdh

it feels like paper but

its fun 😄

[unreal scarab]

@sick sentinel sure, raids will take you with flowers.

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel think they will be strong in 8.2

[ionic fern]

Stronger*
Non of their real core-issues were fixed tho.

They will still be behind other tanks most likely.

[warm plinth]

If nothing else changes, then yeah, can't see them being competitive at all. Better, but still not good

[paper orchid]

Has anyone tried prot on the ptr? Or are the 8.2 changes not on there yet

How much damage did they actually lose

[undone sun]

changes are there

but they aren't major by any means

plus the essences basically negates the nerf

[paper orchid]

The essences aren't really class specific right? Or do i have that way wrong

Or spec specific.

[undone sun]

the visions basically do the same for the same roles

spells/abilities chance to activate Avenging Wrath/Avatar/Fort Brew/Meta/Survival Instincts/Vamp blood for 8s. CD of <ability> reduced by 15% every proc. Interacts with azerite traits (ie: righteous conviction)
reduces cd of <ability> by 16.5%, increases vers by 419. When activating <ability>, immediately heal for 5% max hp``` from an old ptr build but the principle is the same

[mint adder]

ay

[strong forum]

Aw you did it the cool way, getting aotc and CE on the same kill

[mint adder]

oh yee

now I'm 2/9M

haha

[strong forum]

Powerful boost

[mortal brook]

pog

[mint adder]

im just glad it's over

[spice ferry]

That’s sick haha

And the meta achieve! Lol

[sick sentinel]

Wait how did you do the meta achieve as well

[willow scarab]

Did you buy a boost or was that a legit earn

[orchid token]

Don't be judgemental fumeiyo

[willow scarab]

I love people who buy carries because they fund my playstyle

Just curious

[spice ferry]

Apparently one of my raiders will get aotc and ce when we kill her, he swapped to a toon mid prog that never killed her before haha

[sick sentinel]

We had 3 curves on our first rekill, I'll just say that

[willow scarab]

How close are you? Prog going well?

The nerfs must feel pretty good

[mortal brook]

that reclear after two months of mekka to jaina. opulence was painful >.<

[spice ferry]

We got there the week before the nerfs came, so can’t really comment on the difference

Getting out of p1 constantly and starting to get a grip on p2

[mortal brook]

nerfs were huge. saved dozens of p1 wipes. balista never got on fire, ships never fired more than once, was wonderful

[dusk wave]

Jes's Howler under-sims compared to its real group damage potential right? like I'm not an idiot for using a 425 over a 400 socketed Butchers lock even though the Block

sims higher

[willow scarab]

You can't sim for "real group damage potential"

So yes it is simming correctly, block gives more damage

[spice ferry]

Block gives you more damage, which is all the sim can show

[sick sentinel]

But jes will make the dungeon go faster because of giving everyone the buff

And most classes like vers