protection

[weary veldt]

nah, 410 HV/ 410 servant

mainly do m+

[willow scarab]

Use the weapon with stats then

[sick sentinel]

a stats weapon is better

[weary veldt]

figures

blizz cucked me again

maybe ill finally get my TOS tier pants today

[sick sentinel]

nobody knows?

[zinc spoke]

vial of animated blood is pretty meh, right?

[willow scarab]

vial is good for 6 seconds okay for 6 meh for 6

the reason people use vial is 1m30s cd is the same as avatar

[sick sentinel]

but rezans help your haste cap right?

[willow scarab]

It is good and I would use it unless you have something like mekka trinket / gore block same ilvl

[sick sentinel]

so your shield block is up longer

[willow scarab]

There is no haste cap

[sick sentinel]

nah I mean faster shard refreshes I mean

not cap

but priority range

er not shard

shield*

[willow scarab]

use rezans+ vial

what is the other trinket you're using

[sick sentinel]

tanking trinket

diamond laced

with avoidance

[willow scarab]

why

are you having issues staying alive?

[sick sentinel]

I mean

I'm 398

lol

and i'm doing mythic stuff

and pushing keys

so I kinda need it

made this char like 6/7 days ago so I'm trying to get geared up

[willow scarab]

Use diamond + rezan

get to 405/410 and go rezan + vial

[sick sentinel]

oki

[willow scarab]

Then stay alive because of proper use of the kit

and only use diamond for prog mythic bosses

[unborn island]

I got a 410 block yday, first upgrade in ages

[sick sentinel]

Ye I have proper use of kit so that's not a problem

It's just higher keys that's where I get nuked

just because lower stam and block

stat scaling

etc

think the new mace is any beer?

[unborn island]

Personally I'd take the crit-mastery one

[sick sentinel]

ye

more mastery

[sturdy sable]

Pretty big fan of beer

[drowsy veldt]

I like beer

[willow scarab]

Crit is better than vers unless you're tanking magic damage

[sick sentinel]

give me good luck bois

doing mythic champions

hope for chest and shield

[warm plinth]

🤞

[sick sentinel]

rip

nothing

like always

my luck

bad

xd

what is the weapon enchant these days anyways? still the haste one?

ye

rogue is an enchanter but he still needs a few points

OMG

some guy gave me his 415 chest piece from it

45 ilvl increase

50 ilvl if I get my neck high enough

bless his soul

[warm plinth]

Sick

[sick sentinel]

that guy is a true america bro and pro

Godbless

[warm plinth]

You were saying about your luck? lol

[sick sentinel]

best luck na

I should be going for 3 bastion of might right

for M+?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

I have 3 Shield blocks, 2 bastions and my deafening

so I gotta get more pieces

aye that means I don't have to use my diamond then

[warm plinth]

3 shield blocks? Meaning what? BfI or IF?

[sick sentinel]

er

iron fortress

I mean

[warm plinth]

Ah, that's a pretty awesome trait for M+ as well

3x BoM 1x DC 2x IF is very solid

[sick sentinel]

so I need to switch my IF for BoM right

well I don't have a piece for it but ye

[warm plinth]

Yeah just one of em

[sick sentinel]

what about bloodsport the increased IP one, or is that generally considered not good

[warm plinth]

It's a great trait; it's just purely defensive which we typically don't want

People tend to overestimate it anyway because they think of IP like any other absorb, not the 50% of damage taken absorb that it actually is.

[sick sentinel]

like 50% goes to your health and 50% goes to your shield?

that type of absorb

or 50% of damage is reduced

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[sand egret]

I bacck

[warm plinth]

50% to health, 50% to shield

[sand egret]

hallo pals

[lusty grotto]

shut up blade

im kidding

that was for a pal

[sand egret]

@sick sentinel the former but compounds on existing mitigation. It's our smoothing tool (aka not a mitigation tool)

turns that damage intake into that buttery smooth feel that healers crave

[lusty grotto]

jesus i just read that

made my head hurt

[sick sentinel]

Oh, i know is a bit silly, but ive actually named my mage, paladin and warrior zedek, menelkir, and traductus, villians from hexen (a doom clone from late 90's)

[lusty grotto]

i remember hexen

[warm plinth]

Stewart’s lack of presence on your pfp makes my head hurt

[sick sentinel]

loved that game, dissapointed nobodies picked up on it yet, to my knowledge

should I use my vial on CD or line it up with avatar

as much as I can

[sand egret]

the way it works out, it should be up every other avatar

[lusty grotto]

i mean to be fair raven did make some good games

[sand egret]

with AM and "good" play, you can get Avatar down to ~45 seconds

so Vial is actually kinda a useful measuring stick to see how well you're pumping, tbh

[lusty grotto]

hexen 2, jedi outcast...

[sand egret]

if you're doing Avatar on cd and Vial is up for every other one, you're doing a good job.. 😃

however, i'd prob hold it for my next avatar if it's off by ~10-15 seconds to line em up

[sick sentinel]

i have a 405 vial with avoidance secondary, but i also have howler, 410, which can provide small dmg buff for team.

so i prefer howler

[sand egret]

howler is the "better" of the two, yeah

[sick sentinel]

Ye Iyou right

my vial is lining up perfectly

[sand egret]

fucking A. Did I just read it's Quacking week?

[lusty grotto]

ya

fort teeming quaking

[sand egret]

Lame, but at least it's teeming

[willow scarab]

giga pad week

[sick sentinel]

gigga damage

[sand egret]

Quacking by itself is fine, so actually not a bad week at all

guess it just depends on teeming spawns

[lusty grotto]

yea pretty much

[sand egret]

i'm into it

took a break last week

[sick sentinel]

i just hate how quaking is un-relentless

[sand egret]

yeah, it stinks like that. Not particularly fun on a warrior

[sick sentinel]

never stops, and can totally screw you if you are trying to eat food after pull

[lusty grotto]

its always at the same intervals of time

you can pretty much know when it will hit

so you can eat after or before

[sand egret]

honestly, I really wanted Quacking to behave like the Cata-style Quaking effects

[warm plinth]

Yeah just get a WA and don’t eat if it’s close to one of the lines

[sand egret]

that was such an underrated mechanic they slid in

[warm plinth]

You’re an underrated mechanic

[lusty grotto]

the one where you had to jump?

[sand egret]

thank you

yeah

[sick sentinel]

LMAO

[warm plinth]

Yw

[lusty grotto]

that would be hella nasty for healers lmao

[warm plinth]

Yeah like the boss in Stonecore?

[lusty grotto]

hmm the trash there did it

[sick sentinel]

and the trash in stonecore

[sand egret]

yeah Stonecore those adds did it

[warm plinth]

Or the giants

[sick sentinel]

after first boss

[warm plinth]

Yeah I was thinking of the giants. The boss is a run out thing

[sand egret]

yep, would be ass for healers, but it's also a thing that you can totally avoid it by timing the jump

so it's like annoying, but also not an issue at the same time

[sick sentinel]

stonecore first boss still gives me nightmares to this day. taking huge hits is one thing but a 1 shot is just plain unfair

[sand egret]

I just dig dodgeable shit

stonecore you could also dodge his shit

[lusty grotto]

dunno i liked stonecore

getting bads dead

[sand egret]

basically stonecore was a idiot check

[sick sentinel]

yeah, i just don't like the fact that you think you are out of it, and then you accidently get hit, but it still KO'

[sand egret]

reflect boss

LOL

the hitbox on the shards was wonky as hell

since it registered pre-animation

similar to how indgestion works

[sick sentinel]

it used to be so bad back then that people would LFG, and they would see stone core and nope the F outta there

[sand egret]

it's just a product of snapshoting hits on cast as opposed to on-hits

yeah tanks who would fail the 2nd boss were just a dime a dozen

[sick sentinel]

be perfectly honest, i've found that most bosses with avoid the fire type mechanics if you simply keep moving you'll be fine

[sand egret]

and I just love how on heroic that boss was SO unforgiving then. "You out of the radius? Naw, ok then 1-shot"

[sick sentinel]

third boss stonecore lmao

mage mvp there

just spell steal

[lusty grotto]

oh man

[warm plinth]

Yep

[lusty grotto]

that radius thing was kinda hard to see

sometimes

the black circle

[sick sentinel]

all the times

i miss cataclysm, give me back my pve disarm and mocking banner god dammnit

[lusty grotto]

cata is suposed the be one of the most disliked expansions right after WoD bro, didn't you get the memo?

[sick sentinel]

wait what

cata was good dude

[warm plinth]

I loved Cata. Great dungeons

[sick sentinel]

wow I feel Like I can't die now

welcome to playing prot warrior properly

S tier vanilla, wrath, A tier cata, B tier mists, probably legion, never played it, TBC, C tier bfa D/F tier wod

I mean

I have always

it was I was just very undergeared

lmao

250k hp undergeared

that's how i'd rank the expansions of wow

oh lol

now I"m a big boi 330k

366k myself 414 ilvl

[sand egret]

Cata’s dungeon philosophy was dope. Once gear ruined it it was meh, but for a brief period it had that true old-school RPG feel

[lusty grotto]

yeah

kind of trying to get back old tbc heroic

people didn't like that

[sand egret]

well tbc heroic was a tad different

[lusty grotto]

in the sense that it was challenging

[sand egret]

it was for like the wrong reasons

[lusty grotto]

true

[sick sentinel]

bosses immune to taunt

like ??

[sand egret]

it was mentally challenging due to how long it was, and artificially challenging due to their limited ability to create mechnics in a small-scale environment

[lusty grotto]

well yeah like vanilla

[sand egret]

cata added more reactive stuff but also had a good balance of mana scarcity that rewarded not taking the damage you had to prevent

[inland bolt]

@analog swift the 22% haste cap even when procs (bloodlust, OP, meticulous scheming) you can weave thunderclap every second gcd - getting more haste willl never allow you to thunderclap every GCD so you dont aim for more

[sand egret]

until gear came in which blew that mana balance away

[exotic spoke]

It was the first dungeons with more interesting mechanics and they didn’t know exactly how to tune them yet imo

[inland bolt]

just finished keys tonight so im free to answer stuff whenever

[lusty grotto]

there's no such thing as a haste cap

[sand egret]

early Halls of Orig was a great example

[lusty grotto]

stop saying that

@inland bolt

[sick sentinel]

@inland bolt you can thunderclap every other GCD with any point of haste from 0-100% haste

[inland bolt]

what do you do with more haste?

yeah so why get more haste?

[lusty grotto]

lesser SB cds

[inland bolt]

you cant push it to thunderclap every gcd

[lusty grotto]

its benefitial to keep stacking it

so what?

[exotic spoke]

It benefits our survivability. More haste is more better

[lusty grotto]

does a prot warrior only TC?

[inland bolt]

youre assuming its more better to get faster SB recharge?

thats it?

[lusty grotto]

i mean wtf

[sand egret]

the term "cap" is a misnomer

is all

[lusty grotto]

also deep wounds tick faster

there's no such thing as a haste cap

that's misinformation

[inland bolt]

especially in M+ gearing to get faster recharge on SB is dumb lol

[sand egret]

understanding why haste is important outside of that is a huge point to playing Prot War currently, imho.

[inland bolt]

your sb will always be up

[sick sentinel]

you can use more thunderclaps/shieldslams in the avatar window

with more haste

[neon tangle]

^^

[inland bolt]

LOL

hahahahahahaha

[sick sentinel]

and until around 20% haste

[inland bolt]

youre actually joking

[lusty grotto]

please stop shawruss

[sick sentinel]

you can't get 3 SBs in a row

[lusty grotto]

your lepan fanboyismg is leaking

[strong forum]

Also more rage gen

[lusty grotto]

this is not a lepan discord

[strong forum]

Which leads to lower CDs

Which leads to more Avatar

[inland bolt]

lepan doesnt even do m+ anymore lol

[strong forum]

Which leads to more dps

[lusty grotto]

well turns out i was right since you're following up on him

[sick sentinel]

let's be fair

[lusty grotto]

thanks for proving me right ☑

[sick sentinel]

at 22% haste I went crit gems

[inland bolt]

howd i prove you right? i follow every high io tank lol

[analog swift]

Im way above 22% haste and still can't weave tclap every other GCD without a slight delay

[inland bolt]

in M+ you dont gear for survivability

[strong forum]

I enchanted crit and 1 crit gem yesterday to get to 30% parry

[inland bolt]

thats dumb af

[lusty grotto]

OH SHIT QUOTE OF THE DAY

[strong forum]

Still have 26% haste though

[inland bolt]

its like suggesting bloodsport almost

its toxic

dont even start

lol

[sick sentinel]

guys, relax

[inland bolt]

theres a reason why people geared 20% haste then maxed out crit in MDI too lol

[sick sentinel]

and nimchip, please

[lusty grotto]

imagine having a stat that is BOTH defensive and offensive

[inland bolt]

you dont evne consider the logic

[strong forum]

Cuz mdi you go for Speed

[inland bolt]

LOL same with high keys

[strong forum]

No.

[inland bolt]

you want damage in higher keys, SB will always be up

[sick sentinel]

yeah at around 1400 haste you have 20,5% with no ITF stacks

[exotic spoke]

MDI =/= high keys

[inland bolt]

you probably get 1 extra clap with extra haste, but I can get more CRIT and my claps do more damage

[exotic spoke]

Why wasn’t the slash included

[inland bolt]

you have to be joking

[lusty grotto]

apparently shawruss is an MDI palyer

[inland bolt]

???

[lusty grotto]

☑

[sick sentinel]

I would go full crit after that

[strong forum]

Apparently 18s are high keys

Lamo

[sick sentinel]

can you like

stop

attacking the person

[analog swift]

I mean, if there's an argument for 3 shield blocks then crit makes sense

[sick sentinel]

like for fucks sake

[lusty grotto]

i mean, he shouldn't give misinformation like that

[analog swift]

cuz crit is pretty fucking massive with parry and revenge

[strong forum]

18s you try to play as risky as possible, high keys as safe as possible to still time

[neon tangle]

This is a productive convo

[inland bolt]

Nomeratur

[strong forum]

That's the difference

[inland bolt]

please stop with the low 18s

[lusty grotto]

the fuck does an MDI player gearing choices have to do with people in here

[inland bolt]

since people use teh same logic in high keys

[strong forum]

18s are low, change my mind

[inland bolt]

literally

[analog swift]

@inland bolt i already hit tclap every other GCD tho

[inland bolt]

go

into

every high io players gearing

please, dont even argue

just go check rn

and look at the hate

haste

[lusty grotto]

its almost as if in MDI you have gear available that is not even obtainable in live

[strong forum]

I have more crit and more haste than them

Should I socket mastery now??

[analog swift]

lol never

[inland bolt]

Nimchimp go check every high io player rn

[strong forum]

That's the meme

[inland bolt]

and see their stat weighting

[lusty grotto]

i dont have to

[inland bolt]

then you already know im right

[lusty grotto]

no you're not

[sick sentinel]

@inland bolt can we at least agree to something

[lusty grotto]

youre spreading misinformation

[analog swift]

that ravager is best?

[sick sentinel]

one single thing

[sand egret]

🍿

[sick sentinel]

yes, crit gets better after 22% haste

[inland bolt]

thts 100%

[sick sentinel]

but please do not call it a "cap"

if you say haste cap

new players get confused

[exotic spoke]

@inland bolt just because that’s how they are doing it doesn’t mean it’s optimal. They have specific reasons and it’s working for them

However; that doesn’t mean it’s correct for everyone. Bottom line - haste is amazing and has a bunch of uses

[inland bolt]

sure w.e. but you dont push more haste above 22% its a waste of stats if you can get crit/vers

[neon tangle]

It’s almost like stats have a super small effect vs gameplay and you could gear with basically full mastery and do fine

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[inland bolt]

hes asking about gearing

[exotic spoke]

It isn’t a waste of stats

[strong forum]

But that's wrong shawruss

It's not a waste

[inland bolt]

you literally attack me for doing 18s

when you probably do 15s

[strong forum]

Haste has always high value

[inland bolt]

i never said it has no value

[lusty grotto]

and you're giving him whatever the hell you got from browsing 3k player's armories? to people that might not even be doing 15s?

[inland bolt]

i said you always aim for 20-22%

[sand egret]

"it's a waste" = "cap" from a phrasing perspective.

[strong forum]

I didn't attack you for doing 18s im saying in 18s you play entirely differently from high keys

[inland bolt]

i dont do 18s lol

youre actually toxic

[strong forum]

Huh??

[inland bolt]

i dont mind having an argument

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much bladesong.

And I think a lot of the people here are pushing keys in the 20s now

[inland bolt]

but you attack another person

instead of pushing your point

actually sad af

[strong forum]

I attacked mdi players

[sick sentinel]

don't talk the person attack his arguement

[strong forum]

Not you

[inland bolt]

gl pushing your keys

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[strong forum]

I never attacked you, all I said is that mdi level keys are played for max risk, how is that an attack

I don't even know what kind of keys you do

[sick sentinel]

shawruss streams

[strong forum]

Aha

[inland bolt]

I literally mentioned MDI since both in high key and MDI, the gearing is the same

[sick sentinel]

he has timed a 25 AD iirc

[inland bolt]

you always aim for 20-22% haste and you go into crit

[analog swift]

ight @inland bolt I'm not attacking you personally

[strong forum]

🤷

[analog swift]

going for crit after having 3 shiedblocks

makes sense

[inland bolt]

and you call my some random tank that does 18 keys

[lusty grotto]

your argument is that MDI player and high key players do it, where's your math?

[analog swift]

but the idea that it's a waste to go for more haste is not true

[lusty grotto]

and like nomeratur is saying, how does that apply to people that ask gearing choices here?

[sick sentinel]

at a bit over 20% haste you can get 3 SBs in a row

[unborn island]

I'll just continue equipping my highest TF pieces and be happy 😃

[sick sentinel]

and with a haste proc from virtually anything

you can get both SB charges back up from a last stand

anything lower than that can't do that

[strong forum]

I can almost guarantee even top players don't have access to full crit haste gear, they go with ilvl aswell but don't prioritze haste as much after a certain point

[lusty grotto]

just to be clear this channel is not for 2.5k+ io rated tanks only or exclusively, the majority of people that come in here and ask about gearing choices might not even be close to that

[sick sentinel]

but I was taking way less damage when I socketed crit over haste when I was a 1700 haste

[lusty grotto]

when people like that see the word "cap"

or "don't"

guess what happens

[sand egret]

Phrasing is important. It sets up how others also view the game. Liberal use of hyperbolic terms can end up hurting the overall situation.

Sporepods is not "useless", for example

it's just not very good for very specific reasons

that's what gets people

not the fact that you choose to gear in a way

[inland bolt]

stop overanalysing my wording, someone literally asked about stat weighting for his gearing. Stop going into maxing out mastery and timing high keys. He should aim for 20-22% haste>crit>vers=mastery thats the general logic

[sand egret]

representing it as the norm is the issue

[lusty grotto]

and also "high io tanks do it" is not a very valid reason

[strong forum]

This aswell

[inland bolt]

i literally ran never surrender and timed a 24 fh

its dumb but it worked

[sand egret]

its not overanalysing

it's being literal

[inland bolt]

you can play perfect and make anything work

[lusty grotto]

fantastic

[inland bolt]

im just suggesting what most people do

[lusty grotto]

glad it worked for oyu

here's a round of applause

👏

[inland bolt]

yeah obviously bolster is better, you can do w.e. you want - if you know how to play the key itll work

[strong forum]

Now you're getting somewhere

[lusty grotto]

now please keep those opinions to yourself instead of mentioning them as advice

[sand egret]

the point is that this is a forum where there are a lot of lurkers who read things at face-value

[inland bolt]

so the argument that maxing out mastery and doing high keys isnt relevant to what we're talking about

[sand egret]

so using your words correctly is important

[strong forum]

Saying I can make ravager work, is only of use to you specifically aswell.

[sand egret]

you drop "cap" in here and suddenly we get warriors coming in here dropping +15 ilvls for haste to "get haste capped"

[lusty grotto]

^

[strong forum]

If you can make it work, cool gratz you did a thing, but it doesn't apply to 99% of this discord

[sand egret]

promoting holistic understanding is the point of this Discord, imho

[strong forum]

I don't go by the rules of gearing aswell

Cuz I know my shit

But in general terms it's best to take the simple route

I don't recommend people to go and not use tank trinkets, cuz in the end trait/socket/trinket choice doesn't make a huge difference

[analog swift]

^^

[strong forum]

Only if you're starting

[unborn island]

off to get haste capped, enchant leech and spec into ravager and never surrender

heard it in Warrior Discord, must be true

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[sand egret]

^ man with a plan

[strong forum]

That's what people Filter out

[sick sentinel]

@inland bolt I afked for like 5 mins but I will just say this and leave

[strong forum]

The cheat sheet

[sick sentinel]

we all know that if you play properly it's all that matters

then wear highest ilvl gear and you should be fine or whatever

[strong forum]

If there was perfect setup, we would know about it. But it's all too small of a difference to make out the best or any set rule

[inland bolt]

then why use that as an argumenty

[sick sentinel]

we just have some suggestions for players that don't really know what they are doing yet'

[unborn island]

I think if i could pick whatever gear I wanted I would be haste/crit on every piece 😃

[sick sentinel]

haster y mastery

I had a problem with a single thing you said

ez pz

[lusty grotto]

mastery why

?????

[sick sentinel]

you said that over 22% haste is irrelevant

which is not the case

it's less good

but it's not bad

[strong forum]

@unborn island das me 😏

[sick sentinel]

all stats are the same at that point

you can say whatever you want between closed doors

and at good players

because they will understand you

but as a guy that daily gets PMs from people that never speak in the discord

and gets asked for advice

Is mastery not good?

people that lurk take things WAY out of context

[lusty grotto]

you already have a lot of mastery coming from BoM

[strong forum]

Mastery loses ton of value because of BoM

[lusty grotto]

there are better stats

[strong forum]

But it's not bad

[lusty grotto]

its good, just not as good with BoM

[sick sentinel]

ah

ok

I only have 2

bom

[strong forum]

I just happen to have crit haste only gear

With 6 sockets

[willow scarab]

Your gear is the dream

this discord is a circlejerk of the exact same 1 playstyle of prot

[inland bolt]

@willow scarab want to do some 18 keys with me?

[willow scarab]

Has been ever since I joined

[inland bolt]

i only do high keys 6+

[strong forum]

Circlejerk is the best

Especially if I'm getting jerked

[willow scarab]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

if only there were other playstyles as prot

[willow scarab]

I said this about someone else the other day

People play it differently and get the same / better results then what this discord achieves

players who aren't even 2k telling players over 3k that they're doing shit wrong but it's claerly working

[lusty grotto]

if that's the case you wouldn't come in here

HERE WE GO

[inland bolt]

youre joking

we come here to discuss strategies

[lusty grotto]

lmao its time for the 3k warriors to jerk each other

[willow scarab]

I come to talk to other players around my level and to help people who have no idea

You always get so salty dude

Your experience is different to someone who is 3k

plain and simple

[lusty grotto]

because you think your io makes your opinion more important than others

[red wedge]

I like to watch people trigger each other. It adds humor to my otherwise shitty work days.

[willow scarab]

No

[lusty grotto]

it's heavily implied

[sick sentinel]

nimchip I like you and everything

[willow scarab]

It's about experience

[inland bolt]

you flamed me for not snapping saurids on a 24 saying i cant time it, and we did just fine on a 25 without snapping

[willow scarab]

I went over this before

[lusty grotto]

and its why you always fall back on your io

[strong forum]

Score is close to irrelevant, change my mind

[sick sentinel]

but when somebody comes and asks "how do you engage 22 rixxa because she fucked me"

[willow scarab]

A player who does 13s can't talk about a 24 the same way someone who does a 24 can

[sick sentinel]

and your answer is "pray"

well you are not in the right either

[strong forum]

cough

Hehe

[willow scarab]

Score is just a metric to measure experience

[exotic spoke]

^^

[willow scarab]

So almost irrelevant sure but still relevant

[exotic spoke]

On a side note - this seems like another good week to push keys

[willow scarab]

and that's why 1k players commenting on 3k play isn't as helpful as they think

And that's why 3k players want to talk to 3k players

[red wedge]

What is it this week?

[willow scarab]

fort teeming quaking

[red wedge]

been pushing 17hr days working, so I haven't gotten any gaming in really. 😦

[willow scarab]

giga pull easy 23/24 every key if you have a gorup for the week

[sick sentinel]

fort teeming

hurts

unless your shield is like 425

[lusty grotto]

there's a difference between 20s strats and gearing

[sick sentinel]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

and i certainly don't comment on high key strats

[red wedge]

I hate fort/teeming just because of the choices on teeming mobs in some dungeons.

[lusty grotto]

so idk what the fuck you guys are on about lmao

[red wedge]

Temple. "Let's just add all the stealthers"

[analog swift]

honestly I wish teeming JUST gave less %

[willow scarab]

If someone runs ravager or never surrender and times the 24 then clearly their playstyle works for them

[red wedge]

Yeh

[analog swift]

adding more mobs is just annoying

[willow scarab]

and what works for you in a 12 doesn't apply at all

[lusty grotto]

how do you even know if they are asking about 24s

do you look them up?

[inland bolt]

im not giving advice fro a 24

im giving advice for M+

[lusty grotto]

wait i was talking to fumeiyo, not you

your deal is completely different

[inland bolt]

its just logic any tank that pushes uses. you didnt even know people aimed for 20-22% shows your inexperience not your .rio

[exotic spoke]

So - can we all just agree on #LastStandWithVic?

[lusty grotto]

bro your argument is MDI PLAYERS USE IT

[willow scarab]

I know because people are commenting on players like shawruss and nerf directly

who are doing 24+

[neon tangle]

@willow scarab just a thought, but I don’t really need marok to be a top-10 player for his advice to be valid, a lot of this is just... math and theory

[inland bolt]

no, go through the top r.io tanks

[lusty grotto]

did you completely miss the discussion?

fumeiyo?

did you miss our argument that he shouldn't give MDI level advice?

[inland bolt]

its logic that every top player uses

[lusty grotto]

because that was the whole point

[inland bolt]

MDI =/= high keys

[stiff oracle]

MDI level advice omegalul

[inland bolt]

youre actually trolling

[neon tangle]

Which is different from having the time or mechanical skill necessary to do high keys

[lusty grotto]

^

[willow scarab]

We talked about this the other day

[inland bolt]

HE ASKED ABOUT GEARING

[willow scarab]

math and theory

[inland bolt]

hahahahaha

[willow scarab]

cool

math and theory is great

but if you can actually apply it

you are more valid

[inland bolt]

he asked about gearing, NOT "the time or mechanical skill necessary to do high "

are you joking

[lusty grotto]

well he can't look at his reasoning

[stiff oracle]

LMFAOO I cant believe you are arguing with a warrior that actually pushes high keys

[supple path]

what are they even arguing about though

[stiff oracle]

and actually puts what he says into practice

[inland bolt]

I gave you the reasoning, you will always have SB up

[supple path]

like what is the point of contention here

[inland bolt]

and you dont get extra TC in avatar

[lusty grotto]

jesus did you really bring your buddies in

[inland bolt]

youre actually wasting my time

[neon tangle]

@willow scarab I don’t see the argument here hinging on math or theory, just “high io tanks make it work”

[stiff oracle]

LMFAO lets see your math and theory

[willow scarab]

Prepare your keyboard for this one

[stiff oracle]

lets see it

[red wedge]

iirc, the argument started over giving misinformation to average tanks

[lusty grotto]

brigading this @inland bolt, i'm sad

[inland bolt]

you will always have SB up and you dont get extra TC in avatar

[red wedge]

But devolved into whatever this is now.

[inland bolt]

wtf is an average tank?

i alreayd gave you the logic and you attacked me lol

[willow scarab]

a casual player barely doing 10s and who just got aotc

[stiff oracle]

@lusty grotto you are legit autistic if you think theres any misinformation behind logic and facts

[lusty grotto]

logic

hella math

[willow scarab]

the kinda player who payed for my t3 is an average tank

[lusty grotto]

@stiff oracle stop brigading for your friend

[red wedge]

The majority of this discord are average tanks.

[exotic spoke]

@stiff oracle lets keep it civil

[supple path]

I mean a personalized strat that happens to work for someone doing specific +25s with a specific group could totally work for them and also still be bad advice to give to random joe whose concern is "how do I do a +10 when my healer keeps going AFK"

[neon tangle]

@red wedge implying I’m even average

[inland bolt]

its not a personalised strat

[exotic spoke]

Lol sadbox

[neon tangle]

I appreciate the compliment tho

[inland bolt]

its what every top tank in high keys and mdi uses

its nothing personalised

you can ask any high io tank streamer

please

[red wedge]

Mm. @neon tangle , you'll always be spectacular to me. ❤

[inland bolt]

dont argue with me

[supple path]

but there's been 5 pages now of references to this discussion and no actual reiteration of what the point is so probably pointless for me to engage further.

[inland bolt]

go figure it out for yoursel

[lusty grotto]

personalized strat

[stiff oracle]

you have no idea what youre talking about @lusty grotto

[supple path]

oh there it is, thanks.

[stiff oracle]

give us some numbers

[inland bolt]

he asked about general gearing

[stiff oracle]

give us some facts @lusty grotto

LMFAO

[lusty grotto]

i have never seen you here rainon

[inland bolt]

and i gave him what every tank that pushes uses

[lusty grotto]

stop brigading

[exotic spoke]

Who are you rainon?

[willow scarab]

the discord has like 85000 people in it

[stiff oracle]

Im not brigading, im just a 3.4k io player, I dont know what Im talking about

[inland bolt]

Nimchimp you have no argument

[supple path]

Next person who makes an argument that's just "the person I'm talking to sucks" is the real loser.

[willow scarab]

copout

higher exp advice is more important

[lusty grotto]

is it?

[supple path]

You people have been in this circling flame war for ages now without ever talking about the point in question.

[stiff oracle]

Like you are actually getting some proper advice for once by someone that actually knows how to do keys

and you have no argument against what he's said

[willow scarab]

If you can't perform to match your advice then your advice is less valuable

[strong forum]

Group play > gearing

[willow scarab]

You wanna learn cooking from a chef who can't make you a palatable meal?

[outer dew]

Wasnt Shawrus the guy in MDI that brought a berserker to do third boss of KR?

[lusty grotto]

do you get io by soloing keys?

[inland bolt]

HE ASKED ABOUT GEARING

LOL

youre actually trolling

[stiff oracle]

He asked about gearing and you cant refute what Shawruss said

[willow scarab]

We're deeper than that now

[lusty grotto]

we did refute what he said

[stiff oracle]

stop trolling and admit you are wrong @lusty grotto

admit what you said was wrong LMFAO

[lusty grotto]

there is NO HASTE CAP

[stiff oracle]

say it

[lusty grotto]

no

[stiff oracle]

its not hard

say it

[exotic spoke]

Except we can and did. There isn’t a haste cap

[inland bolt]

what haste cap

i said

aim

for

[lusty grotto]

@gilded tendon

[willow scarab]

If he said haste breakpoint would this have all been avoided

[inland bolt]

20-22% haste

[exotic spoke]

@stiff oracle who are you?

[stiff oracle]

Im a 3.4k io player, who are you?

[exotic spoke]

That strongly implies a cap shawruss

[stiff oracle]

peace

[lusty grotto]

@gilded tendon look up this @stiff oracle guy

[stiff oracle]

I played in the MDI as well hahhahaha

[outer dew]

Anyone random can say they're 3.4k

[inland bolt]

@outer dew

[willow scarab]

No he literally is

Look his name up lmao

[exotic spoke]

Good for you - I couldn’t even legally compete because of where I live

[inland bolt]

dont bother looking me up

please dont

just dont follow blindly

when randompeoplpe give you advice

just go on a stream

and ask them

any high io tank

thats all i will say

[lusty grotto]

lmao

why are you here then

[outer dew]

Yes. And I also remember everyone telling me not to run with you this season

[stiff oracle]

Shawruss legit knows what he's talking about and he gives you actual proper advice you will use to push keys with

and you act like you know what youre saying

[outer dew]

Like I dont get it

[stiff oracle]

LMFAO

[lusty grotto]

ok guys

then just make your own discord and give advice there

i dont see an issue

[outer dew]

People run with certain groups and it's fine

[empty inlet]

tfw people are flexing their io in class discord

[inland bolt]

what io are you ona bout?

we dont care about io

im just giving advice that other tanks also mentioned

and im getting attacked

[strong forum]

Now you're getting somewhere

[supple path]

it's been 20 minutes since the last advice was actually given. everything since then has been people attacking other's credibility.

[exotic spoke]

The whole thing is that it’s such a minor difference. There is no cap for haste.

@inland bolt I know you didn’t explicitly say ‘cap’ but it’s implied and that’s what a lot of people are arguing about.

In general - it’s a moot point for most people as they aren’t close to that level of gear anyway.

[empty inlet]

i mean there is a bear druid in mdi

[inland bolt]

idc about your io, idk who these others are, i just do keys and someone asked about gearing and i gave him advice

[empty inlet]

i am guessing it is a esport pro

[stiff oracle]

Why are you attacking my boy shawruss? He's correct, dont make us come in here again and straighten things out >:((

[inland bolt]

wtf

fk off rainon

[lusty grotto]

1. there's no haste cap
2. 3k gearing has specifics that do not apply to average joes
3. "top mdi players" is not an explanation - math is a lot better to prove your point

[outer dew]

I guess someone just really wants to ride someone

[stiff oracle]

no one mentioned a hate cap

are you actually blind

[lusty grotto]

bro

[stiff oracle]

????

[neon tangle]

I have a hate cap

[lusty grotto]

you missed the entire start of this convo

[stiff oracle]

@lusty grotto can you read?

[lusty grotto]

can you?

[exotic spoke]

I fucking said that it’s implied and not explicitly said.

[lusty grotto]

maybe scroll up

and see

[red wedge]

I mean. He did explicitly say cap earlier.. but backtracked.

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[inland bolt]

im losing braincells, ill come back whenyou guys stop spamming

[stiff oracle]

LMFAO

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[red wedge]

The conversation literally came from the words "haste cap"

[lusty grotto]

did you scroll up yet @stiff oracle

you can use your mousewheel

[sick sentinel]

Rip

[exotic spoke]

How about them local weathers

[sick sentinel]

guys I have 1.3k mastery

[strong forum]

The entirety argument is, radsrad said you want ATLEAST 20-22% he didn't state its explicitly a waste past that

[sick sentinel]

is that bad

[empty inlet]

more haste = better but as long as you can get 3 shield block after last stance

it really doesn't matter

[inland bolt]

done argument over

[stiff oracle]

@empty inlet is correct

[inland bolt]

pls stop attacking my mdi or r.io performance pls stop spamming cuddeh

i just do keys for fun

[supple path]

Please keep your frog erotica to the frog erotica channel.

[stiff oracle]

@warm herald @calm flower and I will be back if you guys attack my boy shawruss again

[lusty grotto]

lmao

of course you will

[supple path]

I barely followed this conversation but Rainon is really making me want to attack Shawruss

Your haircut is probably ugly!

[stiff oracle]

LMFAO

[inland bolt]

LOL

[stiff oracle]

this is @warm herald dont mess with him

[neon tangle]

@final mist plz come unfuck this channel

[empty inlet]

LUL LUL LUL

[inland bolt]

Jesus im gonna get banned for nothing at this point

thse guys are trolling

[red wedge]

Just delete the last 2 hours worth of conversation. 😛

[neon tangle]

It’s not even you @inland bolt

[empty inlet]

failing a 23 shrine LUL

[stiff oracle]

LUL

[calm flower]

@lusty grotto do you want to tank my 26 waycrest? i need a tank with alot of haste for those pesky maggots 🙃

[stiff oracle]

LMFAO @calm flower

[lusty grotto]

imagine, bringing people in to brigade

[exotic spoke]

@inland bolt I still ❤ you. But yeah it does look bad lol

[final mist]

$pb @warm herald

[turbid robin]

Done.

[strong forum]

Based

[inland bolt]

ty

[lime mantle]

What the fuck happened

[keen stirrup]

do you guys have any good looking UI for prot? (elvui preferred)

[stiff oracle]

@keen stirrup try Naow's ui

its good

[inland bolt]

i was telling my mates about the prot war agument and everyone from my disc joined the server

[strong forum]

I prefer jmy's ui

[empty inlet]

fun fact that monk's damage was monkaS

[inland bolt]

yeah use naowh's ui as a base its quite nice

[exotic spoke]

Rip

[lusty grotto]

like i said

imagine bringing people in to brigade

[empty inlet]

but hey at least add 5% of people's damage to him 😉

[willow fractal]

im at 20% crit 32%haste 31% mastery and 4% vers ...got a ring with a socket out of the chest this week that is a upgrade...what gem would yall put in there?

[stiff oracle]

😉

[lime mantle]

Ping me with your uis if you can I need to unfuck mine.
I use default and raskhashalb(???) WA modified to r larger cuz I am blind

[inland bolt]

AMEN LALA

[lusty grotto]

"hey come help me guys, this guy is making me look bad"

[willow scarab]

32% haste or 17% haste

[stiff oracle]

@lusty grotto why are you so mad?

[inland bolt]

@empty inlet he ripped the 24 just before that

cause he missed the kick onthe last boss

[strong forum]

@willow fractal multistrike

[inland bolt]

for the sam reason

[calm flower]

ill be seeing you lads in Sydney

[lusty grotto]

why are you still here @stiff oracle

did you scroll up yet?

[final mist]

Get back on topic. If you wanna chat, go to #off-topics

[stiff oracle]

I apologize

[red wedge]

❤ u Sal.

[willow scarab]

@willow fractal 32% haste or 17% haste?

[strong forum]

@willow fractal or Was that legit question

Cuz I thought you were trolling for a sec

[willow fractal]

@strong forum there is a multistrike gem?

[strong forum]

Okay, it wasn't a troll

Socket haste

[willow scarab]

there is a multistrike ring

[willow fractal]

@willow scarab yep your right im at 18% away from people

[unborn island]

guys, I saw a tank tanking FH17 with no pants on, can you confirm that only equipping shield, weapon, azerite pieces and jewelry is the most effective tanking strategy?

[stiff oracle]

@unborn island this is correct

[strong forum]

100%

[exotic spoke]

I remember having to remove gear way back in the way to tank things - so I can confirm @unborn island

[unborn island]

slap the mobs to death with dick?

[strong forum]

The less armor you wear the faster you can go

[red wedge]

Tank naked. Let your genitalia replace Intimidating Shout.

[unborn island]

shame I'm a dwarf

[crystal dirge]

Hey, so I've been meaning to ask, how do you guys do the death skips in motherlode? like those pesky orange laser thingies kill me in 4 ticks on the +18 I've just done, a shaman's ankh saved the day, but I'd rather ask for sure, I pull on mount, then charge the last pack and jump away when I have time, but for example now, they killed me before I could jump away

[unborn island]

so my wee chode doesn't help

[inland bolt]

@willow scarab ❤

[willow scarab]

Gem haste for sure @willow fractal
@unborn island admins said to move on, so you have to drop it now.

[final mist]

Quit the trolling.

[trim hamlet]

3k warriors unite

[final mist]

Final warning.

[willow scarab]

@crystal dirge pop all of your cds, you need spell reflect and last stand to get through nicely

[willow fractal]

@strong forum no a legit question ...trying to decide what gem to put in my ring

[empty inlet]

@crystal dirge spell reflect

[strong forum]

Haste is always a good choice

Until you know better

[unborn island]

sorry - not trying to troll anyone, just joking - most my posts are useless memeing and I lurk the rest of the time, apologies if anyone thought I was

[willow scarab]

You have 18% you want to put haste in your ring @willow fractal

[stiff oracle]

Its okay, we forgive you

[crystal dirge]

Like for actually reflecting, or just to negate 20%? When do you dismount? When you passed the pack in the middle?

[willow scarab]

Sometimes I get sad that these other warriors from my server are 3k and i'm not

But then I remember how bad I am at this video game

[exotic spoke]

You can reflect the energy lashes.

[crystal dirge]

Also I kind of have a hard time on rixxa too, so I've been usually saving cds for her xD

[willow scarab]

You want spell reflect for the magic damage reductio nyeah

[strong forum]

I usually TC the middle pack then leap away @crystal dirge

[exotic spoke]

But yeah - I hate ML. Especially that point

[willow scarab]

hearth out after 2nd boss swap to never surrender and defensive trinkets to deal with rixxa and last boss

also spell reflect last boss autos

[exotic spoke]

^^ What nomeratur said

[empty inlet]

its important to know when to use your ignore pain

also if you have blood sports trait

change it to them

[stiff oracle]

Fumeiyo is correct, but me being the MDI level player that I am, we actually do a special trick

get the healer to taunt the boss in bear form

and you hearth out earlier

[strong forum]

The way you phrase that makes me hate you

Tbh

[inland bolt]

LOLK

[dense flame]

[strong forum]

Sounds too cocky

[inland bolt]

hes memeing but thats what you should do

leap out and get healer taunt

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much. Some hella hubris

[stiff oracle]

Actually wait @lusty grotto is correct,if you get more haste you can hearth out quicker

[inland bolt]

then hearth

[empty inlet]

please stop flexing mdi level

[willow scarab]

Is that a tactic to save time because the timer is so tight in high ML?

[empty inlet]

youre compeetiting in oce mdi

[crystal dirge]

Yeh everything else is clear, what I can reflect on bosses etc, it's just this skip was damn terrible, gonna use some harder cds on it then!

[inland bolt]

wtf oce is dead,pls dont say the word compete

[empty inlet]

you litertly have to complete kings rest on time to get pass time trial

[crystal dirge]

I am not sure about the healer taunt part? is that for chemical burn?

[strong forum]

Lamo @inland bolt

[willow scarab]

@crystal dirge he's just playing, ignore him

[exotic spoke]

@final mist you still around? The trolling isn’t ending

[strong forum]

Chemical burn is based on distance @crystal dirge

[stiff oracle]

Its not troll, its legit, you get the healer to taunt the boss

[strong forum]

The closest targets get the burn

[crystal dirge]

That I know yeh, but is it better to put it on the dps players?xD

[strong forum]

Well you can reflect it

[willow scarab]

But instead of having the healer taunt the boss your tank could just do more dps by not using bargain

[inland bolt]

wait what boss are we talking about

[willow scarab]

would save more time as net total

[stiff oracle]

2nd boss ML

[strong forum]

Rixxa I thought

[inland bolt]

i think we're all confused

[strong forum]

I thought rixxa?

[crystal dirge]

Every 2nd reflected yes! Rixxa yes

[willow scarab]

We're talking about the skip and rixxa

[inland bolt]

yeah i had a feeling everyone is talkingf about different bosses

[strong forum]

Mdi players.. Pepe hands can't read 😼 /s

[willow scarab]

Don't need to read to press buttons

boss is pixels not letters

[strong forum]

Hey that's obv trollingno

[final mist]

[strong forum]

:worry:

[final mist]

You guys can give information without being joking or trolling about it.

MDI players or not.

[inland bolt]

I did all of today but I got attacked personally by Nimchimp from the start of the Gearing Convo

[final mist]

People asking question are new and they likely won’t understand you’re trolling or joking about it. So quit it.

[empty inlet]

mdi player nerf clap told me leech is good but everyone attacks me 😦

[final mist]

I don’t care who started it, I’m finishing it.

[willow scarab]

This discord does have a circlejerk single train of thought mentality

[final mist]

End of discussion.

Move on to new things to talk about, thank you very much. Have a nice day. 👋

[empty inlet]

👏🏿

[calm flower]

so is there a crit cap for warriors?

[final mist]

No caps exist.

None that you should worry about, anyways.

[willow scarab]

Technically you can't go above 100% crit

Good luck getting close

[inland bolt]

icic

[covert veldt]

hello im new here. what are best stats @lusty grotto

[exotic spoke]

Seriously?

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[strong forum]

12 45 27 and 3

To be exact

Give or take 1

Okay I'll stop trolling

[exotic spoke]

I’m beginning to think that some of the other discord’s which make you wait before you can chat may be on to something

[strong forum]

^

[covert veldt]

@exotic spoke cmon mate 😃 i just want the hot tips

to become the great war of the north

cya friends

😃

[exotic spoke]

I mean - sal has said to stop trolling so RIP

[calm flower]

^good point @exotic spoke we have that on my private minecraft role playing server. it works a real treat.

[final mist]

$mute @strong forum 12

[turbid robin]

Done.

[calm flower]

anyways ill try to keep it to prot warrior discussion only as i think i have the potential to break 2k this season

[final mist]

I warned you guys multiple times.

[empty inlet]

12 = 12 days ? monkaS

[stiff oracle]

Good riddance! 😠

[willow scarab]

Nom got muted for replying to a troll comment?

[strong forum]

hey i was just replying as he started

im off now

[inland bolt]

yeah Nom did nothing

[strong forum]

👋

[covert veldt]

@strong forum stop trolling please mate. this is a community

[strong forum]

im scared to reply in my guilds fashion

[supple path]

Can we please ban the blatant, obvious trolls?

[lusty grotto]

imagine bringing in a bunch of people cause you can't stand your ground 😦

[strong forum]

its okay

shush now

everyone

[lusty grotto]

reeks of weakness

[stiff oracle]

^?

LMFAO WHAT

[strong forum]

just wait for the next actual question to start

and just sit here :peeposit:

stahp

[lusty grotto]

😉

[robust urchin]

So prot damages is getting nerfed? Are they gonna compensate by buffing survivability?

[strong forum]

its not gonna play a relevant role

[stiff oracle]

Nah prot will always be OP

[lusty grotto]

they are not buffing survivability no

[supple path]

They're compensating by buffing damage with the new artifact changes, basically.

[strong forum]

also

[red wedge]

The nerf to UF wasn't that bad I thought?

[stiff oracle]

As long as spell reflect works the way it does, prot will be number 1

[strong forum]

it isnt bad

[red wedge]

afaik, Warriors will still be top mitigation.They just wont' have the ridiculous amounts of aoe damage.

[strong forum]

due to higher avatar uptime we wont lose any overall dmg

[supple path]

6-10% dps nerf off the top and we'll be gaining a good chunk of it back with increased avatar uptime, though haven't really looked into what other tanks are gaining relatively

[strong forum]

and their surviability is off the charts

[red wedge]

Yea

[strong forum]

we might even gain dmg from the higher avatar uptime in the long run

instead of losing overall dmg due to the nerf

[lusty grotto]

well, voices visions was nerfed

[strong forum]

nani

[lusty grotto]

but its still pretty good

[red wedge]

Wasn't there an old talent that made Spell Reflect reflect everything for the duration?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[robust urchin]

So the pvp essence. Is it gonna be good for m+? I mean like 1 second snare sounds good with the high avatar uptime

[exotic spoke]

Yes

[red wedge]

I want that back. 😛

[lusty grotto]

reflective plating on the weapon

[red wedge]

Yea!

[robust urchin]

Anyone gonna go for it?

[strong forum]

gimme back 5s perma reflect

[red wedge]

haha

[strong forum]

legion where are you

[exotic spoke]

Perfection and there’s another one in looking at. Pearlescent something or other

Which has a proc to refund rage when it’s spent. So more rage for AM

[supple path]

I've never actually checked, but I'd suspect the 1s root on tclap will not play kindly with melee DPS.

[robust urchin]

Well it's kinda their problem aint it

[red wedge]

lol. clap, and leap away and jsut watch a rogue get melted.

[robust urchin]

😂 👌

[exotic spoke]

I agree with that censuras. Especially as you have to dodge mechanics

[strong forum]

the rage refund sounds broken tbh

[exotic spoke]

That said - it’s still in tuning so it could have the talent changed

[strong forum]

selfheal + more rage to use

for even lower cds

sounds broken as hell

[exotic spoke]

Yeah that + perfection in some form seems fucking stupid good

[strong forum]

ye

both prots will be giga

[exotic spoke]

We will have to see which one is better as the major essence

[whole shadow]

I'm hoping everyone feels broken as hell

It's fine if everyone feels OP imo

[exotic spoke]

I mean - constant avatar seems pretty amazing and actually overpowered

[robust urchin]

An essence that would bring back Gladiator Stance would be great

[willow scarab]

That's what I'm hoping for too

everyone Op

[robust urchin]

RIP Glad Stance gone 2 soon

[whole shadow]

Preaching to the choir 😄

[strong forum]

powercreep is what makes the game fun

just balance the raid around gear

[whole shadow]

No seriously, this was my blog : http://gladiatorsresolve.blogspot.com/

[strong forum]

not the other way around

[whole shadow]

RIP Gladstance

[robust urchin]

Rip Blog

[exotic spoke]

Meh - never played wod. But from what I hear it doesn’t sound like it’s anything too amazing and was extremely hard to balance from what others told me

[lusty grotto]

glad stance was fun

[robust urchin]

A frost dk told me im an asshole for bot giving him my 410 rezans as its better for him then me as prot

[whole shadow]

It ran into input limitations, and your connection mattered way too much. But it was super fun.

[willow scarab]

glad stance was just prot with higher damage

super easy to learn

nothing too fun

you just get to be an actual dp wiht sword and shield

[empty inlet]

tell him that hes playing a dead spec