that's what you get by cheesing all the time ! :p
#protection
livid totem
mortal brook
54% of the time, it works every time
livid totem
what's annoying though are the people expecting we're all alts that already did mythic cabal in a normal dungeon and proceed to blame us for being sh.tty players
Like.... How can you be so dense ?
mortal brook
except nothing, then you'll never be dissapointed. dont put high standards on strangers ^^
strong forum
Oh I get triggered by insane amounts by strangers, I just don't tell em
livid totem
I know right ?
strong forum
I would maybe be passive aggressive but that's about it
livid totem
but I mean, there was (yeah again) a rogue that expected normal dungeoners to know how to use interrupts and BL.
He was already kind of passive aggressive xD
livid totem
not even m+
strong forum
Or litrally normal dungeon
mortal brook
imagine a pug having an interrupt on their bar
brittle owl
you shouldn't be surprised that there's cunts in the game tbh
livid totem
indeed
brittle owl
worst part is when a cunt gets rewarded with their cunty attitude
ebon lagoon
I have a simple policy for people like that:
Ignore list
Anything they pull, they tank
livid totem
Obviously, they don't have the same experience as him
But I feel like he's even as retar.ed as them if he keeps with that attitude by berrating them (spelling ?)
yep
sick sentinel
You keep putting a period in the word as if you aren'tactually using it, but you are at least grow a pair and actually use it.
neon tangle
@lime mantle agreed re: shallowness for ffxiv tank classes
DK has a way more complex resource system, etc than the xiv stuff
Pally especially in that game is pretty mind numbing
lyric nest
moment of glory or resounding protection for my azerite trait
lime mantle
@neon tangle everything in xiv is absurdly shallow because it is wow 0.5: but for weebs and wow is and will always be p. Simple other than over sights
@lyric nest what did moment do?
warm plinth
That’s the rallying cry trait I think
lyric nest
give rallying cry extra max health and increase duration
livid totem
I don't want to get kicked out of the channel just because I'm using a word that actually defines them.
lime mantle
Rallying x1 is always good to have after that it’s pretty “eh”
lyric nest
ok, ty
lime mantle
@livid totem literally nobody cares enough to kick you.
neon tangle
@lyric nest also depends on whether you’re getting distance out of rallying cry
lime mantle
@lyric nest don’t take my word as gospel tho.”, also remember to use rallying. Also don’t use it at the start of bursting
neon tangle
Resounding protection is always useful as a tank
lyric nest
i just started practicing prot today, never tanked before
warm plinth
I still consistently forget rallying cry exists
neon tangle
^^^
livid totem
Ouch @lyric nest if I were you I'd have started with anything but war :p
lyric nest
already had my warrior leveled and kinda geared
warm plinth
Just do your research and assume that you’re going to make mistakes at first. Log stuff if you’re concerned and people here can review them to see if you’re messing up (you probably are)
livid totem
^
hallow phoenix
Fun thing fury and arms can do is rally during bladestorm
lyric nest
i'll go with resounding protection for now until i'm used to it all more
hallow phoenix
Wish we had bladestorm 😞
warm plinth
#1 cause of death for a prot warrior is misplaying
lime mantle
^
sick sentinel
yeah sometimes one miss block is death
lyric nest
how do i log stuff
sick sentinel
you just get used to stuff
lime mantle
Get the best WA ever the one that screeches to NOT use shield block while LS is up
(Use shieldblock while@last stand is up anyways)
hallow phoenix
Link to that wa?
lime mantle
Ping me in 2 days @hallow phoenix
lyric nest
yeah i was also looking at WAs
lime mantle
And I’ll provide it if nobody else has
hallow phoenix
Lmao ok
lyric nest
couldn't decide on which 1 i wanted
lime mantle
(No electricity at home atm)
warm plinth
Download the uploader from WarcraftLogs. When ready to log, type /combatlog in game. When finished, type it again. Then use the uploader to upload it. Make sure advanced combat logging is enabled in advanced settings in-game
livid totem
guys
let's not give him/her too much infos or he/she won't know where to start first >_<
Resouding protection is perfectly fine.
lyric nest
oh man ghash, i have the worst memory lol i'll never remember to do it again after the dungeon is over
livid totem
I use it even on my DPS chars.
sick sentinel
yeah just read icyveins guide its written from defensive perspective then get used to class you will get comfortable in time tanking is not hard at all
hallow phoenix
Yeah icy veins is really good if your goal is to just survive
Which it should be if you're just starting out
willow scarab
Resounding prot is good on every character in game
neon tangle
@lyric nest there’s some addons that will turn it on/off for you
IIRC exrt has that option, not sure about others
lyric nest
ok lemme check all this stuff out lol
neon tangle
I think maybe DBM too?
lyric nest
i do have dbm
ionic fern
Autolog is the one that i'm using
lyric nest
ok so i'll get autolog and warcraftlog is an addon or i just dl from website?
ionic fern
Download from their site
neon tangle
Dl from their website
lyric nest
ok
dim juniper
What's a guide prot guide to dps if over veins designed for defense
ionic fern
You can freely ask here. There is no general "dps purpose guide"
In general it's more offensive traits/certain trait stacking/prioritizing Revenge over IP etc.
livid totem
A guide to DPS ? Simple : 👏 like an avatar madman
hallow phoenix
Get you a grongs primal rage 😏
In general though your best DPS traits are BoM, treacherous covenant, DC, and reckless flurry
If you're confident in your survival you can press revenge instead if IP
And on larger packs revenge over SS if not rage starved
Devastator is better than booming voice usually on ST but that's entering pure parse territory
livid totem
reckless flurry is for prot aswell ?
brave mauve
Autoattack is autoattack
hallow phoenix
It's a meme but a good one for ST parses
I use two of them when I'm pushing my DPS for logs
brave mauve
😩 👌
God I wish I could get a 3xBoM, 2xRF, 1xDC set.
Instead playing 3bom, 3dc dream
ionic fern
3TC* instead of BoM for st
hallow phoenix
I use 2 RF, 2 TC, 2 BoM for single target
Cause my gear sucks
Any cleave at all and I go 3 BoM 2 TC 1 DC
Grongs primal rage is a really nice trinket to use for parsing as well
Especially on grong himself
willow scarab
None of the best parses have RF
It's a meme and will help you parse but you're better off with 3x TC 2x BoM 1x DC
lime mantle
TC was?
hallow phoenix
Treacherous covenant
I definitely use RF on grong and have some nice parses on him
autumn pendant
Thats pretty damn random 
chilly brook
Tbh I don't think we'll see a resurgence in the MMO market with actual innovation etc. until WoW is either dead or basically dead
livid totem
Yep...
willow scarab
MMO just gonna slowly die forever
MMO generation getting old and not playing games
livid totem
Nowadays, it seems it's all about mobile games
hallow phoenix
Literally 3 of the top 10 on grong have RF
willow scarab
kids like quick digest content like fortnite and lol
chilly brook
Nah it'll be like most genres ebbs and flows
And tbh it's hard to have a successful MMO release when people will just fall back to what's familiar instead of investing time into learning the new one
And acting like MMOs only appeal to one generation is kinda odd tbh, it's like saying shooters only appeal to one generation and that's it
willow scarab
They would be higher without RF @hallow phoenix
lime mantle
MMOs require time, time comes at a premium nowadays
willow scarab
They all either have really good timed kills for avatar or are padding on adds, the padding is higher in the 3x tc 2x bom 1x dc build
willow scarab
Look at damage breakdown for grong on these top logs
The ones that are top 10 without padding on adds that have RF are on really good kill timings
fights ending with avatar just finishing
chilly brook
@lime mantle and yet people invest thousands of hours into BRs or FPS games
hallow phoenix
All im saying is people use it and get results
lime mantle
@chilly brook “why is time distribution lol”
-You.
hallow phoenix
Not all of us have 3 TC ☹
chilly brook
That sentence makes no sense
willow scarab
I still don't have a RAGE but I got all 3 TC items in one clear a few weeks ago
You win some you lose some
willow scarab
i got a 415 socket on our kill
lime mantle
If I wanna play say, TF2 I can just start TF2, join a randomly selected server and play until I am bored or I have to go.
If I want to play WoW I need to:
- Level
- Find a group of people
- Find a common thing to do
- Go do Said thing
willow scarab
i want a doom shroom 425 socket leech titanforge
hallow phoenix
Doom shroom 😍
Got a 370 one that Sims like 300 DPS behind my 410 trinkets
Makes me kinda mad
chilly brook
Leveling is part of the game? And 2-4 is basically non existent since the game makes those things happen for you now
hallow phoenix
But speed > leech
lime mantle
@chilly brook ah you are a queue content player, I’ll disregard your attempt at an opinion now.
willow scarab
So I have to solo heal as much as possible
chilly brook
Lmao
hallow phoenix
Yikes
chilly brook
You can't make an argument saying that people are too lazy to invest time into leveling and then also dismiss that they wouldn't take advantage of the systems that make your "barriers" non barriers
hallow phoenix
What are you two going on about
near ivy
2-4 apply to both games
you will enjoy the content of both games more if you follow steps 2-4
you cant apply steps 2-4 to one game but not the other
chilly brook
The ridiculous notion that MMORPGs only appealed to one generation and one alone and that the "Fortnite" generation would have no interest in them
Thank you @near ivy
near ivy
there are people in my guild aged 18 - late 40's
and i was playing the game when i was "fortnite" aged
as in, single digit
lime mantle
That’s why if I want to play a ranked Dota game I open the game, go join all pick/CD/CP ranked and if I wanna do a +10 in wow I need to open the LFG tool, filter groups not doing content I wanna do, search for one that looks good, etc...
Alrighty fans
willow scarab
Yes, we all were and that was part of our age group
Where are your 12 year old guildies
Where is anyone that's 8 playing wow like the current players had?
near ivy
psst
chilly brook
Where is anyone playing WoW in general?
near ivy
8-12 year olds play the game differently to 18-49 year olds
chilly brook
Oh wait....
willow scarab
No do you get it dude
near ivy
because they arent skilled enough to do high end content
willow scarab
okay
if you could poll your entire server
they're gonna be 90% 18-30
which means they were 3-15 when wow came out
chilly brook
That's a nice fake number ya got there
near ivy
its not truly random
marble cipher
Did prot channel take a wrong turn somewhere? 😜
willow scarab
but they use to be
chilly brook
Must be the same poll rate that has 50% of gamers are women
near ivy
because most of the connections i have are with highly skilled players
willow scarab
Age doesn't determine skill
near ivy
and most 8 year olds arent highly skilled
chilly brook
What 12 year old is gonna tell you they're 12?
willow scarab
The worst players I see around
chilly brook
And since when do you actually interact with anyone in WoW outside of your small circle of guildies or friends?
willow scarab
are like 30 year olds buying carries from me
Or when i queue into some random couple who are in there late 30s
near ivy
you are literally talking about internet strangers
willow scarab
yeah
near ivy
you have no idea how old these people actually are
near ivy
how
chilly brook
LOLOLOL
willow scarab
14 sounds different to 20?
chilly brook
Again since when do you get in voice chat with anyone outside of your small circle of friends?
willow scarab
I'm in voice with anyone who wants to be in voice
ever
When I do any pug keys
pug acheivment groups
pug anything
?
chilly brook
And you're assuming that everyone who doesn't get in voice is over 18
willow scarab
You guys are really telling me
That there are as many children on wow now
as there use to be
chilly brook
I'm not telling you anything
near ivy
no
willow scarab
the % is the same
near ivy
were telling you that your way of measuring that fact is fucking retarded
willow scarab
Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing
Because that's what I'm getting here
You don't even have a point
chilly brook
No because I'm not making wild claims based off of no factual data
My point is how ridiculous your confirmation bias is
near ivy
were saying that when you say "Where are your 12 year old guildies"
that is a ridiculous question
willow scarab
If only I threw down "my anecdotal opinion is" to start this
near ivy
because 12 year olds dont fucking join guilds
willow scarab
you guys would have not done this tirade
near ivy
they play casually and they play solo
willow scarab
how do you know that
near ivy
no
willow scarab
do you interview them
near ivy
because its what the fuck i did when i was 12
willow scarab
do you ask solo players how old they are?
near ivy
again
willow scarab
Yeah and at 12 I was raiding
near ivy
sample size of 1
willow scarab
So why is your example different
chilly brook
Barely did anything except bum carries off people and occasionally type in chat
near ivy
because mine accounts for the fact that most twelve year olds have different psychology than most formal raid groups
willow scarab
Everyone I knew who played was raiding or doing pvp
chilly brook
The fact of the matter is that you can't prove either way and because that's the case it would be foolish to make statements on whether a certain age group is or isn't interested in or playing the game
willow scarab
Back to the point instead of your tirade
Do you think children still play wow or not
Are you disagreeing with what I've said or just disagreeing with how i've said it
chilly brook
Yes
How you say something often has a lot to do with what you've said
After all, words mean things
willow scarab
I mean the signs are everywhere
near ivy
also
willow scarab
YouTube content for wow geared towards older audience, fortnite geared tow ards younger
willow scarab
my statement was the decline of MMOs
near ivy
i imagine that "the next generation of MMO kids" is playing the next generation of MMOs
willow scarab
Because the younger gaming community doesn't want to play MMOs
chilly brook
Since when is someone cussing up a storm and being a degenerate "geared towards younger"?
willow scarab
You're gonna sit here and tell me fortnite content isn't geared towards younger audience
ionic fern
jade socket
What does any of this have to do with prot? 🤔
oblique garnet
@ionic fern have you done shrine this week?
oblique garnet
Was just thinking that if you pull all the initiates on 2nd boss room together snap them into the water and have dps use immunities etc would be faster than dealing with them slowly
willow scarab
And then have none left for the boss?
ionic fern
Probably jeah if you can survive 💯 percent. Otherwise you gonna be stuck there without a res since the healer can't walk past elemental
@willow scarab dont need defensives for the boss as DPS. It's mostly tank dmg
willow scarab
Have you done the whole first pull as bursting
that's 13/14 stacks
initiate pull is 16
sick sentinel
I did yesterday @willow scarab
willow scarab
Decide based on that as well if you can handle it
We do the whole first room it's just livvable but you lose shield wall for boss
sick sentinel
I pulled everything and when stuff was at 10% I leapd out
willow scarab
@ionic fern I know it's mostly tank damage but dps still stuff up
oblique garnet
Eh i have 2 rande dps standing on a cliff
bronze lantern
if your dps take dmg on 2nd boss something is wrong fume
oblique garnet
Range*
willow scarab
The platform is covered in tornadoes and the fight is 4 minutes
bronze lantern
if they cant fucking dodge tornados, just odnt kick during her buff
and take 2 stacks
cleanse on the rune
willow scarab
I'm gonna forgive a melee for getting hit
willow scarab
I wanted to do that strat but healer wanted to kick them all
this is about the intiate pull though
bronze lantern
yes and im saying you can use all your cds on it
cause you never need em on boss
unless your group does dumb shit there :)
oblique garnet
Idk i felt like the initiates all together saved alot of time
sick sentinel
Wait what do you mean bursting caps
bronze lantern
even if you have 20 stacks it doesnt one shot
even though it should
its per tick dmg is limited at what, like 8 or 10
willow scarab
When do you get your reaping if you do this route as well
Because my route has a reaping after first 8 initiates
bronze lantern
if you do it a little later you can snap reaping safer
willow scarab
So you're getting 20 bursting and reaping all at once
oblique garnet
Nono
Actually maybe pulling the reaping + the initiates on the pool wouldnt be bad
Considering vamp speed and victory rush healing🤔
bronze lantern
that reaping has like 8-12 caster bois though xd
you can probs live with vamp speed
oblique garnet
If you snap them they are all stacked in pool
bronze lantern
yeah i know, but how many stuns u got? sw + sweep/nova + ghetto massgrip ?
no balls fume
bronze lantern
vortex typhoon is ghetto massgrip
oblique garnet
The caster reaping is honestly no prob
sick sentinel
Ghetto massgrip lmao
willow scarab
It's the 20 bursting + all the reaping that is the concern
bronze lantern
i legit call for that with my druid
willow scarab
for me
bronze lantern
reaping does fuck all if it doesnt cast
willow scarab
It's not only caster mobs
sick sentinel
With 3 stuns you delay them for 15 sec
oblique garnet
And snap them all???
sick sentinel
Late no
bronze lantern
ive done that late
oblique garnet
Im gonna try that on non bursting week
bronze lantern
not on bursting
willow scarab
Why not pull the entire instance and snap them all
bronze lantern
was like a 17 boost
willow scarab
60% in one pull and 3 reapings
oblique garnet
Naladra?
willow scarab
Who or what is nala
willow scarab
on the topic of giga pulls, snapping and teeming next week
Are there any snaps in other dungeons that are worth doing
willow scarab
other than AD
sick sentinel
Snapping on fort
bronze lantern
you only really snap in AD and SOTS
sick sentinel
That's a way to get globaled
bronze lantern
^
willow scarab
cds first
autumn pendant
Snapping? 🤔
oblique garnet
Kings rest is not worth doing next week
autumn pendant
What do you mean by that
sick sentinel
Oh poor raz
willow scarab
miss me with those teeming fort zerkers
autumn pendant
Im a poor boy
bronze lantern
nerf KR 😠
oblique garnet
Which basically LoS the mobs even though its like visible to them
Fortified kr is fine
bronze lantern
its pathing not losing late
oblique garnet
Its the teeming
bronze lantern
dont u like double zerker+brute?
willow scarab
Yeah that's irrelevant
bronze lantern
always use the braziers
willow scarab
I'm showing what snapping looks like for him
oblique garnet
Also when mobs dont have a path to you wouldnt you call that being out of line of sight for them?🤔
sick sentinel
Not really
bronze lantern
i mean you can snipe people across a canyon
autumn pendant
🙏 thanks
near ivy
good ol raz
oblique garnet
Bad luck
near ivy
@autumn pendant snapping is what happens to a key when you join it
bronze lantern
then you shout in disc fume
sick sentinel
Because some casters snap only when you interrupt them
willow scarab
tfw blackhand snapped me for our server first kill in wod
without snapping we lost the kill
oblique garnet
They dont snap to you because you dont have aggro of them
Its because you stood on the shrooms
Or the rocks rather
bronze lantern
third boss has 3 spots
oblique garnet
Dont stand on them xD
willow scarab
You can stop him spawning shrooms ?
bronze lantern
but if you do that, dont play the boss with reaping
sick sentinel
We did it once
bronze lantern
because if you move you get snapped to him
sick sentinel
By mistake
bronze lantern
and die like a monkey in smash
sick sentinel
And both of these things happened
willow scarab
Please elaborate on preventing shroom spawns
sick sentinel
Can't leave melee range
willow scarab
Which spot is it though
inland bolt
snapping isnt good in keys, you lose too much damage
sick sentinel
But we skipped one wave of shrooms
oblique garnet
Rocks*
willow scarab
Diagram
bronze lantern
wrong shawruss
sick sentinel
That's super wrong wtf
oblique garnet
You definitely dont lose damage from snapping
autumn pendant
Stop stalking star
willow scarab
We got 4 high io players here
near ivy
👀
sick sentinel
How do you lose damage
near ivy
losing damage from snapping
willow scarab
it's gonna be a difference of opinion
near ivy
🤔
bronze lantern
kage
high io
choose one
bronze lantern
then theyre positioned wrong
oblique garnet
^
inland bolt
but its not needed tho
bronze lantern
the saurids wont jump which is why you do it
near ivy
maybe in the keys you do
sick sentinel
They're standing in the wrong place
near ivy
its not needed
willow scarab
I think he's timed a 23.
inland bolt
i did
bronze lantern
and actually timing it cause u lose big damage on them
inland bolt
ive done a 25 lol without snapping
you definitely dont snap saurids ever
pls dont spread misinformation
bronze lantern
ok shawruss
oblique garnet
You also ran never surrender on freehold
bronze lantern
why did limit play 3x rogue on 26 then
you wanna know why?
cause they 100% snapped 3 packs with tricks
as the packs afk and you can just aoe them down.
willow scarab
I think that's less about snapping importance and more abotu 3 packs at once
because of tricks and abusing snapping
near ivy
btw
bronze lantern
gl killing 3 packs without snap though
willow scarab
The snapping is to act like a vortex
inland bolt
they can just parry lol
oblique garnet
You will 100% die instant to 3 packs of saurids without snapping
willow scarab
The tricks 3 pack snapping is for a bigger pull
near ivy
im 99% sure this is shawruss's second account
willow scarab
since you need to snap for that
oblique garnet
Wdym i cant argue that?
near ivy
im pretty sure ive seen him before but this accounts message history starts yesterday
sick sentinel
woaw
inland bolt
yeah ive got a new disc for wow
sick sentinel
Guys, relax
bronze lantern
no 100% toxic now
sick sentinel
Attack his argument not the person
willow scarab
This disc gets very toxic to other ideas/methods of doing things
Even if both players have the same experience
oblique garnet
Well if you argue that you are losing damage on snapping
Which is just blatantly wrong
willow scarab
What if his experience is that he lost damage on snapping
So to him it's correct so far
oblique garnet
If he loses damage on snapping the dps is not poisitioned correctly
sick sentinel
The first time I snapped in AD (except that I got trucked)
Everybody was like
Holy shit this is so fucking good
near ivy
"so to him its correct so far"
so far
if you do A, it is a dps increase, but if you do it incorrectly you will lose dps
that doesnt make A a dps loss
bronze lantern
imo snapping in AD is only really worth if you have rogues tricksing them to you
makes it far easier and safer for the positioning
oblique garnet
Pretty much
bronze lantern
i mean i can pull 2 packs and try to make the jump in a hurry
but if i fall down its a fucking wipe
willow scarab
I don't think it's worth it at all without rogues
bronze lantern
imagine no rogue
willow scarab
That's why I said that it was only good for the 26 because of the 3x rogues
Only good / only possible
sick sentinel
And 2 rogues is not necessarily out of this world
willow scarab
idk about you guys
but the oce meme is that no rogues play wow anymore
Impossible to find one let alone 2
oblique garnet
Actually true
bronze lantern
unlucky
willow scarab
So imagine trying to find 2 that are 3k+ io
bronze lantern
just swap to EU and play with russian rogues
bronze lantern
i never did
oblique garnet
Theres no inbetween
bronze lantern
split
oblique garnet
Yeah
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet do you know the proc rate of absorbotron
oblique garnet
Iirc 1ppm?
sick sentinel
1,5 is gismo?
oblique garnet
Not sure
oblique garnet
You know you can check the uptime of them and count it right?
sick sentinel
Tron doesn't show up on details
sick sentinel
Also @bronze lantern I was using eng helm for the entire of season 2
sick sentinel
I switched to jadefire helm on wednesdsy
oblique garnet
He wasnt a believer
I would run my 3x BoM 2xTC in m+ if i had desert guardians chestplate
oblique garnet
Fury mains🤢
near ivy
talking shit about fury 👀
sick sentinel
At least I get prio on reclear on Wednesday to get on any boss I need
Even if I don't need loot and I wanna parse
Gonna get that opal boyyyy
oblique garnet
Kage you wanna do the shrine?
oblique garnet
Ye
sick sentinel
Yen is ready in 10
Dakouva and flex are both ready
So we can go whenever I guess
We just wait for yen to walk to dog
oblique garnet
We need like 6 minutes for the last boss tho
sick sentinel
Are you gonna hit me with a 200IQ route again?
oblique garnet
You mean the fairly standard shrine route? XD
oblique garnet
Hence the discussion of snapping them to the pool
sick sentinel
🐶
oblique garnet
And worst comes to worst ill ankh and ress
willow scarab
Have you guys done a high shrine this week
oblique garnet
Only 22
sick sentinel
I think I did a 20 lmao
sick sentinel
Doesn't swimming oneshot?
oblique garnet
Nope it doesnt oneshot
willow scarab
you get otu at 60%
sick sentinel
We did a different thing
oblique garnet
To clear the mc
willow scarab
also pre immunities to get it on the healer is a nice touch
you just cna't immune all of them
sick sentinel
And if it goes on them
No mc
So you have double the balls
For the next
But yeah we should swim
near ivy
depleted 21 shrine to dogshit rogue ninja pulling windspeaker in the middle of first boss
willow scarab
you have to proxy the adds fully
near ivy
idk even know how
willow scarab
no proxy then run back to boss
the aggro goes onto the mobs then onto windspeaker
pull to the side then pull to the boss
willow scarab
chi burst?
near ivy
rogue
willow scarab
owned
near ivy
2.6k pug
legit just stood behind boss after he surginged to right side stairs
utilising that 8yrd outlaw range...
ninja pulled then left key
oblique garnet
Ah yes the pug experience
mental scarab
Did they change the SR on first boss in ToS? With tornados
bronze lantern
@near ivy who was your healer that key?
sick sentinel
no
near ivy
@bronze lantern "faillord-kazzak"
bronze lantern
@mental scarab you gotta be right inside him, if you stand a bit too far you die. Also dont reflect if it targets you
Ok cause i heard the same story from someone else star xd
mental scarab
Nha it was some healer that Said they changed it so we can only SR one of them, okej so right on top of him? @bronze lantern
bronze lantern
@mental scarab Yes, but make sure he doesnt target you, reflect wont work then
@near ivy nah i got told in whisp yday night
lime mantle
I honestly don’t try to deflect that because failing tends to mean wipe.
Am I retarded?
near ivy
depends on if that would make the difference in the key
the risk/reward of it differs from player to player
its going to be more important on higher keys
and its going to be less risky for more skilled players
lime mantle
I normally do 14+
I honestly might go there on normal this weekend and try to get it down if I get a friend to bait the hurricanes with
near ivy
a 14 key will be timed by not wiping and playing everything standard
so the risk reward is probably not worth even if you do it correctly 95% of the time
at keys of that level you dont need to use risky strategies for minor gain
if i was doing it on a 14 i would just play it standard
On the other hand, no reason to not improve your gameplay
sick sentinel
stack on top of boss use reflect face him make sure it doesnt target you its free big damage back to boss but
as star said its 14 so doesnt matter
unborn island
the bigger issue
on reflecting that boss
is making sure that jolt gets kicked
otherwise you think you're gonna reflect it
jolt goes on you
get reflected
then you eat dirt
near ivy
do you actually eat dirt on a 14?
guess it depends on how many hit you?
which if you are right on top of him is all of them
near ivy
fair enough
unborn island
highest I've tried it on was a 17
near ivy
ive seen dps live one on a 20
unborn island
I normally try to reflect the 2nd one, as that doesn't tend to line up with a jolt cast
the first one usually does
stoic pilot
Need to get used to kicking it anyways
Bad jolts can set you behind on the static shock
unborn island
if I was in a sensible / regular group which i relied on kicking
then i'd do it every time 😃
cinder pasture
I did it once the other day in a 19. Then I chickened out for the rest of them. Figured I've reflected it once, my job is done. 😂
inland bolt
lol i come back and all i read are attacks against me instead of valid arguments
this is meant to be a forum for discussing prot warrior meta
charred egret
than versa or crit
charred egret
is there a crit breakpoint too
inland bolt
no you want as much as possible
its damage and parry chance
its probs the best stat you can get
but dont drop ilvls for it
except on rings
trail brook
Hey guys, is Waycrest Wp any good or just standart¿?
autumn pendant
I mean, there were maybe attacks. But also arguments
inland bolt
standard, its bad stats
autumn pendant
That you cant deny
inland bolt
i pushed on the necrotic week just fine with ravager and I got flamed for it
its literally a build alot of people use and people blindly flame it
autumn pendant
🤷
inland bolt
especially at higher io
autumn pendant
Prob cause it was said its fundamentally bad talent
analog swift
@inland bolt why is there a haste cap ?
oblique garnet
what?
autumn pendant
@oblique garnet scroll up
oblique garnet
thats just stupid
analog swift
^^^
Usually my asking people the reason for any stat cap their ignorance will show.
Stats are pretty much irrelevant for tanking tbh.
autumn pendant
Well, lets wait what he can say about it
analog swift
Waiting
autumn pendant
@inland bolt
oblique garnet
ok so @inland bolt Valid arguments against ravager, all your cds will be 50% shorter which means more damage which translates to faster dungeons even on necrotic weeks thats all you need to know why you dont go for ravager
now gimme your arguments for ravager
sick sentinel
stack crit and pray you drop stacks
unborn island
I just looked back to see these attacks and saw that you can stop the mushrooms in the third boss on underrot - anyone got a VOD or anything which shows me where I can do this? Sound like it would trivialise the encounter?
unborn island
holy fucking shit, as easy as that?
oblique garnet
problem with is that you will also get snapped back to the boss if you try to move
so youre stuck there
trail brook
Stop the mushrooms?
unborn island
okay, and the boss will just wail on me?
oblique garnet
pretty much
unborn island
why would i want to move? other than to get out of the flying spores?
trail brook
What do u mean with stopping the mushrooms?
lament crypt
^ stopping them from spawning ?
strong forum
Why wouldn't you want more than 20-22% haste? Am I missing smth?
Or is this some new meme shit going on
New meme, got it
Didn't recognizer the poster at first
umbral forge
Is there an addon that filters it so I only get people from ENGLISH realms?
sick sentinel
racist jet strikes again
oblique garnet
@umbral forge
umbral forge
15 Temple of Seth
Spend 20 mins setting up group
Good comp
we invis pot
Druid Healer runs straight into first boss, pulls it as we deal with the pack where we leave invisibility
French DH quits on the spot "shit group"
oblique garnet
tbf i would have done the same
sick sentinel
well you know it's a shit group
oblique garnet
What bull said
modern brook
^
umbral forge
I'm just done with trying to push this raider.io shit.
I either have to play with a full guild group where we have to bring one or two retards ending at sub 20k DPS overall
or pug groups that end like this every fucking time.
modern brook
Yeah thats the struggle
lime mantle
@umbral forge make a group you absolute silly willy vanilly!
modern brook
Honestly as far as i can tell
modern brook
the difference between like 1600io and 2300 io is a consistent group
sick sentinel
to get good or to play with us?
umbral forge
play with you guys
it's a good consistent group
you guys know what you're doing
and seem to have fun doing it
oblique garnet
100% kage knows nothing man
sick sentinel
true ^^
lime mantle
At least you don’t have the strange feeling of needing.3 DPS
umbral forge
I'm considering biting the sour apple and just focusing my hunter for m+ instead of my Spriest
but it wouldn't help
lime mantle
Literally make friends to do m+ fam
modern brook
easier said than done
umbral forge
yeah
umbral forge
I was playing with some French people 3 days ago. We did like 3 keys in the 15 range which is good for me
but didn't consider adding them
was full premade + me, it was nice
even did a +14 Waycrest on time with my former guild yesterday. That came out of nowhere.
strong forum
The difference between 2k and 3.5k is literally consistent group
And a resto druid*
lime mantle
- Find people that are good
- Demand they come your friends in this instant
- Done
- Use this power to climb the political ladder and establish yourself as a dictator
It’s easy. Just have full on drive and an emanate oppressive respect.
umbral forge
yesterday I was invited to try out a group for m+. We set it up all nice and shit.
Had a Prot Paladin, Resto Druid, me on my Priest, a rogue and a demon hunter.
all premade
Tank had a chromosome too much however and didn't know how to deal with Yazma, tanked her in one spot.
modern brook
😬
strong forum
Wat
modern brook
I will never get how people think hide in the cubby is a good way to tank that boss
modern brook
1100 io is shit
sick sentinel
it triggers me to no end having to do elite level gymnastics just to get back to hitting the boss through the cubby spider wall of death because the tank just refuses to move
modern brook
😠
strong forum
My ranged core is this autistic they think it's better to never stack and stay spread throughout the room.....
Hf perma yelling at them
Cuz I do
modern brook
THats very australian
strong forum
Their reasoning is cuz they have to dodge so many spiders if they stack...............
I don't have enough dots
lime mantle
That’s why I Tank her in the cubby
lime mantle
Their suffering is my only way to reach sexual pleasure
strong forum
Well I do so aswell
modern brook
found the dh main
lime mantle
Wasn’t obvious that I profess a love for VDH and Warrior?
umbral forge
strong forum
Just get people you like and have more than 3iq
And play with them
You'll get 2k in no time
umbral forge
HMM
strong forum
Unless you have that
lime mantle
@umbral forge see step 4, by becoming a dictator you can FORCE them to play with you
umbral forge
I mean, my priest buddy can heal up to 15's just fine.
how far can we theoretically go with a priest? 18?
lime mantle
Even VDH!
strong forum
No matter class or spec
lime mantle
(But dont Try it)
strong forum
Bring the player not the class
modern brook
😬
strong forum
Until 20s its literally no fucking matter of class choice
lime mantle
S3 m25 meme here we go
strong forum
But you need more 3/5 meta picks
For that to work I suppose
I could be wrong though
modern brook
IDK manI still find it hard to justify not playing rdruid in keys
imagine wanting to play priest
😬
strong forum
If I can get to 2k with ultra memeing and wiping double frost mage + ele and resto sham
Anybody can with an actual comp
modern brook
double glacial spike double frozen orb
modern brook
Nim makes me play assassination
modern brook
I dont mind assa
I just dont have the gear for it
in keys specifically
I end up running some disgusting double dose x3 builds cause hats what i got for raid 🤷
unborn island
whoever said the difference between 1600 and 2300 is a steady group
you are correct good sir
modern brook
I mean thats the plan
unborn island
I was 1600 at the start of this week, 1800 now
but
yesterday i added 100 score
just by doing 3 keys with a competent group which stayed for all 3
modern brook
I pushed my first key in like 2months last night with nim
unborn island
if i played with those guys all the time, all dungeons on 18 easily possible - > 2.1k 😃
this included a feral who was pumping the rogue and ele shaman
he was running around with 'famed slayer' title though, so probably not too bad a player
modern brook
Feral is low key dope in keys
unborn island
it's not a week which requires massive utility, although threat would've been easier if the rogue wasn't assa
modern brook
Ur rouge should be tricking on cd
unborn island
yeah he was
I just think his DPS was so bad compared to the feral it didn't always help
modern brook
grimace
unborn island
particularly with Avatar down
modern brook
GRabbing agro without avatar is aids
unborn island
I mean, his DPS wasn't bad
modern brook
for what thats worth
unborn island
the feral was just very good
modern brook
I have to give my Druid a fair shake
all 4 specs seem really fun
But ive been like all in on my warlock lately
unforutnately for me im also all in on running keys as destro 😬
unborn island
Yeah, at least you have a BR?
sick sentinel
juicy damage on uhh second freehold boss at least?
Just Chaos Bolt 4head
Don't do anything but that
modern brook
On 1st boss tEmple too :^)
modern brook
LOL
shaman
nice joke late
epic memes aside: I've already spent too much on boosts and leveling shaman has probably been the least enjoyable thing ive ever done
oblique garnet
ele is actually blaster
modern brook
I ran with a blaster Ele for a bit
then he got omega booted from the guild and i havent seen him since
strong forum
Ele is good though
Like actual meta pick
Insane ST and aoe Pump
And rocky boi is ultra for reaping
Lowkey surprised they haven't been nerfed to death again
modern brook
We dont balance around M+ in these parts
sick sentinel
?
willow scarab
Ele is meta for sure
sick sentinel
Ele is considered one of the best DPS
sick sentinel
late is blasting on ele wdym
sick sentinel
they help the key so much too
their utility is insane
their damage is insane
earthquake is ❤
except when it fucks interrupts
willow scarab
Until it jukes your interrupt
oblique garnet
not just once but twice
sick sentinel
BIG pog
autumn pendant
big POG
sick sentinel
Helps tanking also
oblique garnet
also thunderstorm
autumn pendant
I see nice bromance here
willow scarab
It’s good for sanguine too
sick sentinel
Gotta get a good ol' "Yeet-Haw" in there
last mason
Does ip affect the dot from lurkers
strong forum
IP affects every dot
hollow root
I know haste is great for prot but is gale-force something to consider since it's used for arms rage generation?
sick sentinel
not at all
hollow root
and if it'd help rage generation as prot?
sick sentinel
it would not help with rage generation
arms generates all his rage from auto attacks
we generate the big majority of our rage from casting spells
so faster GCDs and faster CDs increase rage generation
do you know how much rage an auto attack generates?
2
weary veldt
is the servant splitter trash yea?
willow scarab
Good for ST damage
sick sentinel
it's better for ST dps
400 rezans
and you should use it if your highest ilvl
410 vail of the ani blood
willow scarab
Jes howler from the cache yaeh boys we out here nice sick one