@swift pier few minor issues, you don’t use last stand for a looong time, and you overlap it once I think
#protection
swift pier
ya true i did feel i coulda used it more xD
neon tangle
On some kills 1:30 shorter I saw 4-5 LS used
Vs 2 for you
Your demo shouts also seem low
15 shouts, 10 avatars
Unless stuff is really wacky you missed 5 shouts
That’s all I got, on mobile so hard to dig in to rotational stuff
lucid bough
Missed shouts or delayed when he really needs it?
rotational wise he could been playing bad delaying shouts but should even matter if he uses when he really needs it?
neon tangle
Losing 25%+ of your uptime on shout will hurt your damage a bunch
lucid bough
again if his dps costs personal survivabilty in a raid environment, its no bad play delaying shouts for when hes activaly tanking and needing the cd
spice ferry
whats the cd on demo?
lime mantle
45s 6a duration
20-30~s post AM
8-12s duration post DC
(The cd reduction sorta varies but I feel it is a ball park estimate and mostly accurate to say it is 30s, since using demoshout already reduces it by 4s (gives 40 rage))
spice ferry
yeah i realise it varies, just wanted an idea since im not maining prot. if its 30 secs if you used it when your not tanking you'd easily have it up by the time you are, worst case it would definitely be up by the time it matters (highish stacks)
lime mantle
You should always or nearly always have it, avatar also heavily reduces the cd of demoshot to the point it’s possible to fit 2 shoulders in 1 avatar (if not 100% duration)
Also doesn’t high damage taken also give you rage? There was a bunch of changes so idk now.
neon tangle
Right, not using it means you have lost out on rage, and the CD is already around 22s, with a 12s duration with DC
It is very, very rarely worth saving
@lucid bough ^^
It means your have lost out on AM for everything else too
lime mantle
Also it is your class fantasy to be a screeching retard.
When you use devastator to parse remember to battle shout the empty CDs.
real thunder
when you guys are talking about trinkets and refer to rage...do you mean grong's rage trinket?
neon tangle
The mekka trinket
real thunder
ah, ty
Im about to Sim the following but would like human opinion about which trinkets i should use for M+.
steel mauve
usually its grongs trinket for grong and rage is mekkas
real thunder
Currently using Jez and Briney
steel mauve
idk about other places but thats the general consensus here any ways
spice ferry
sorry pictures blurry my eend? is that a 425 jes and a 415 prism?
real thunder
yes sir
real thunder
ty, but i dont know what i should use in M+. opinion?
real thunder
around 18ish
steel mauve
i strongly dislike briney personally, the proc can be random and should proc when ads die but you cant control it
spice ferry
honestly personal choice here
if you're feeling like you could use a bit more mitigation
diamond can be good
otherwise id keep what you've got atm
real thunder
Sim says Jes/Rezan(400) but that seems wierd not to use the much higher ILvl brine
that's why i asked the experts
ty for all your input
spice ferry
i wouldn't call me an expert by any means atm, havent mained warrior all expac.
just checking, are you running ST sims?
spice ferry
yeah cool, people often forget to change that part
analog zinc
which would y'all pick?
spice ferry
im not gunna pretend to be a definitive answer for prot, but if i was in your position id be running jes/briny and then if i felt i needed it, id swap in diamond
analog zinc
my stats
spice ferry
no it doesnt?
analog zinc
check secondaries
spice ferry
311 str/283 str
543stam/488
52haste/81
110/114
analog zinc
the 400 has more secondaries
analog zinc
isn't strength pretty bad for prot?
spice ferry
so you lose 33 secondaries
and gain 28 strength and 55 stamina
and you also gain the equip
honestly i can't give you a straight answer. everything anyone ever says is go ilvl, but i've also heard people say that you need to have a ilvl gain to make that belt worthwhile
analog zinc
secondaries on the 400 are also better, much more haste, & vers > mast
spice ferry
im not sure if its 10 or 15 ilvl increase
analog zinc
i'm gonna go with the 400, I'm not at all scared about raw physical damage as Prot, & the mastery only helps with physical damage
spice ferry
sorry i couldn't give you a good answer mate, as i said above not been maining prot this expac
analog zinc
me neither, I main veng
spice ferry
i know for sure around 10/15 ilvl is a gain to be running that belt, i just cant be sure which
worst case wait and ask another time when its more lively here
analog zinc
probably 15, because it would be higher stats overall if it was 15
lime mantle
Mastery>vers last I rechecked.
10lvl is lot of lvl. Losing 33 secondary stats is meaningless compared to what you gain.
Also @analog zinc I am so sorry for youz
You are losing 31 arm and 28 str which outweighs the haste loss
And the general secondarybstat loss
analog zinc
don't feel sorry, Veng is really good rn
but after doing a couple somewhat low dungeons as prot I can see where it's weak at & see where it's really fucking strong, & now I understand why there's so many high rank prot wars
this thing takes zero fucking physical damage
everything else shreds through me tho, just a simple reaping hurts like hell
spice ferry
reaping hurts 🤔
analog zinc
brah how am I supposed to heal through 50 stacks
lime mantle
Are you from bizarro earth?
spice ferry
you're not meant to take 50 stacks
analog zinc
tell that to my healer
lime mantle
Give me his irl phone number and I’ll call him to explained it
Also PayPal me like 5 bucks for the call fees
spice ferry
reaping legit does nothing. there is a reason people pull it with packs or with bosses
lime mantle
The dot also does tick as long it’s being applied so a dispel each 10-20s is more than enough as reap dotters don’t last more than that anyways
Casters can someone deleto someone in shrine which is hilariously tho
spice ferry
fuck shrine reapings though
analog zinc
Veng > Prot confirmed
undone sun
wat
lime mantle
1-Play warrior kill them instead
2-Play Paladin Kill them instead
3. Play Bdk and idk grip them? Tbh I dislike Bdk and don’t consider it a class
4. Bears and monks I guess do something? See above
undone sun
yup
analog zinc
don't
spice ferry
but werebear is life
lime mantle
I don’t consider bear, monk or Bdk real classes (read I don’t like them and only have Druid maxed) as such I don’t really know what they can do about scenarios.
Other than they are better than vdh.
analog zinc
Warriors are gods of physical damage & do stupidly overtuned dps
DKs are the tankiest tanks
DHs are like DKs but a bit frailer & do a bit more damage
Pallys have insane utility
Monks are gods of affixes & kiting
Bears die to anything magical while also being mediocre at physical mitigation
willow scarab
DK tankier than monk?
spice ferry
dk have a bunch of tools to deal with stuff and almost always have an answer to something one way or another and are usually invaluable on atleast one fight per tier
analog zinc
i'm speaking about m+
spice ferry
yeah, they still have a lot of answers to many situations
analog zinc
mm, they have very little utility spells but grip is so fucking insanely good
analog zinc
15 yards really isn't that impressive range lol
spice ferry
better than warriors in that regard 😛
analog zinc
back in legion it was like 30yd
spice ferry
i main dk and play monk/war/pal atleast 1-2 times a week for a couple keys, theres very rarely a situation where i think to myself "wish i bought X instead of my dk because i struggled to deal with Y mechanic"
they're by no means the best tank for raid or m+ atm, but they definitely do the job just fine
analog zinc
they would be the best m+ tank if warriors didn't do such ungodly amounts of dps
fucking 100k on reaping
analog zinc
u wot
analog zinc
teach me your ways
spice ferry
ezpz 100k
analog zinc
wait what's fang
spice ferry
merekthas fang
only issue with me hitting that kinda dps on my dk is whether the pack is spread
if they're clumped its ezpz
lime mantle
@analog zinc you're so wrong it's amazing really 😂
spice ferry
hell man i do 40-60k on a double pull pretty consistently on the dk with fang+BS. the problem is its not available anywhere near as often as warriors big dick dps is
merekthas fang does busted damage because unlike other trinkets it's max targets is 20
analog zinc
does that fang really do that much damage or is most of it coming from BS?
spice ferry
most other dps trinkets (like grongs for example) is capped at 5
fang can easily do 10/15% of your overall damage
analog zinc
aside from Idol, a survivability trinket, there really aren't many good on-use veng trinks
granted, Idol is fucking insanely good
real obsidian
hectic add cleave is what I should use for m+ rite?
analog zinc
dungeon splice
real obsidian
wats dat
analog zinc
its an option when simming your character
spice ferry
its meant to imitate a m+ dungeon
steel mauve
the noxxic of simming 😛
frosty escarp
Hey guys, quick question here. for M+, would u guys go with 415 alch trinket or a 395 idol from Unnat?
my other slot options are gore and rezans
frosty escarp
400 gore, 395 rezan + socket
with alch trinket im at 11% vers, which i think might be too high
steel mauve
theres not really any "i have too much of a stat"
more stats are always better, doesnt matter what they are
frosty escarp
i just kept hearing the idol is OP, so not sure if i should use it default
spice ferry
im not entirely sure if thats relevant with alch trinket
steel mauve
we try to prefer haste when its an option other wise more stats = better
frosty escarp
so you guys wouldnt use the idol in m+?
steel mauve
idol is really strong when used well, on some weeks for m+ there are better trinkets, especially necrotic week, but there isnt really a trinket that we will always use if we have it
spice ferry
if you wanna just forget about trinkets, go gore and rezans
otherwise yea, idol rezans probably
frosty escarp
ok
steel mauve
basically no trinket is one size fits all, we usually need several trinkets to swap between em
frosty escarp
ah, thanks for that clarificaitn
spice ferry
ehh my mate got a 425 gore yesterday, that's pretty one size fits all 😛
frosty escarp
hehe
i got lukcy on my alt lock T-T
425 balefire and 420 sliver + socket
i dont even play him
frosty escarp
no chiefing till 420
spice ferry
tbh im not even likely to get an upgrade anytime soon, just started getting out of p1 intermission cleanly on jaina atm and getting doubt ill get cache loot because i havent in probably 6-8 weeks.
frosty escarp
i raid on lock, currently still p3 blockade T-T
trying to find a guild that will take arms in 8.2
spice ferry
blockade took way longer than it should have. dps were monkeys
frosty escarp
true that
real obsidian
augh I have an alpaca stuck to me
outer dew
Nimchip as all I need tbh
real obsidian
whats the best way to farm azerite these days? still WQs?
or rather, how much has it changed since launch
apparently nothing accordin to other channels
ugh
jade socket
just doing wq and islands every week
you can "farm" it spamming islands but not really worth
real obsidian
heh so these 370 shoulders are a waste of time if I'm only lvl 14
willow scarab
You will be 45 in like 2 days if you do WQs, islands and a raid clear
real obsidian
orly
good to know
I grinded super hard back in like oct on my hunter, burned me out
vestal heath
if I am trying to evaluate from progression logs whether a tank is good, what should I look for?
willow scarab
mitigation uptime, mitigation use in relation to what damage is going, personal cd usage, healthstone/health potion usage, positioning, damage output without padding,\
jovial urchin
can anyone give me an idea on the engy helm traits? i cant find anything on them for prot (400 helm)
willow scarab
DC, RNG, OP, absorb unless grievous/pvp/conclave
Are you asking what to pick or what options it has?
jovial urchin
whats the best to pick i guess lol
willow scarab
Very very strong item
jovial urchin
yeah i heard it was really nice for prot
willow scarab
Beaten by a raid helm for ST and a vendor helm for m+
but being able to use the ST helm requires good gear and a good raid since treacherous covenant is how it is
and the m+ one is a 1/6 chance to roll
vernal stirrup
hey I just wanna confirm you can't block attacks even with shield block up if you are stunned or feared or other loss of control effects right
steel mauve
correct
vernal stirrup
thanks
dark lark
Which is why that fear on King Dazar or Grong is so scary
steel mauve
usually if we cant have a healer stacking with the tanks and one gets feared during throw the one who didnt get feared taunts and its fine for grong
manic cypress
Hi friends any 9/9m prot warrs here able to give a fresh warr some guidance?
For m jaina
sick sentinel
Leave early for avalanche
If you can't move her charge her and walk away in a constant pace
And she will follow
Charging her and then charging ballista is a way to bring her to it
Avalance buddies as a tank a bad idea because of stacks
And dip in and out of fire fast and frequently
unborn island
anyone got a weakaura which does like a 'flash' when last stand is off CD?
I'm crap at writing them
unborn island
yeah, got that, i just want it to show when the cooldown is finished. not all the time
wise heart
hey guys, does demo shout work on boss abilities like explosive burst from last boss td, rezan's bleed, etc? is it worth holding demo should for these abilities when there otherwise wont be much damage
sick sentinel
You don't hold demo shout
livid totem
@unborn island I don't know how to do it, sorry. I bet there are better WA's users out there 😃
fickle urchin
@unborn island
conditions
"all of"
"remaining duration" < 0.5
"remaining duration" >0
"then"
"glow" "visibility" and check the box.
requires a trigger that is based on spell cooldown. make an icon, set the trigger to that, and laststand, then set that conditional.
livid totem
@fickle urchin How do I do it if I have only "Active" "Spells in Range" and "Stacks" instead of "remaining duration" ?
fickle urchin
each conditional is linked to a trigger.
I was assuming he was using a trigger called "cooldown progress(spell)"
the default weakaura to track an ability and make it look like a button (but more moddable), is using "icon", and tracking "cooldown progress(spell)" I think
as the trigger.
fickle urchin
what do you want it to do?
livid totem
Just trying to understand WAs a little more :p
fickle urchin
I like using icon and tracking cooldown progress as the trigger, then customizing via display settings and conditions.
like, on mage, my frozen orb get green-tinged when ready.
the button.
on warrior, my siegebreaker only shows a cooldown counter during last 10 seconds
weakaruas are really versatile.
livid totem
indeed, It's just that sometimes when you put too much conditions, it can perfectly get confused and not work the way you intended it to :p
fickle urchin
yeah always test them before raid night.
livid totem
Dunno how I did it, but I managed to make a WA show when I'm out of consecration for example in paladin
but that thing with "own only" sure pissed me off
livid totem
a discord for WAs only ?
I think I'll pass, I have already way too much channels on discord, I feel like it's making me lag 😂
fickle urchin
a discord server that is run by the weakaura devs, with lots of experts
livid totem
Yeah I don't doubt it. Gonna check it whenever I'll run into another WA's problem ~
novel temple
elemental whirl or overwhelming power for traits?
ionic fern
OP.
novel temple
oh yeah, the other trait is ablative shielding but im assuming its non important for damage purposes
strong forum
Ablative is terrible on prot warri
jaunty moss
hi , what stat should i prioritize for tanking in dun and raids ?
willow scarab
haste > crit > mastery > vers is what I go with
oblique garnet
Not in raids
willow scarab
They're all pretty even though
livid totem
Stats ? You mean Ilvl ? x)
mint adder
ilvl>haste>verse for raid
cyan coral
A very newbie question! Was just looking at the spell summary and my melee is second most - am I doing something wrong?
lime mantle
No, in legion or bfa aa damage got upped because shitters.
(That was actually the answer btw that isn’t edgy elitism, just edgy paraphrasing)
cyan coral
Aa damage?
livid totem
auto attack
cyan coral
Ah okay lol thanks
sand condor
oblique garnet
Probably bigger pulls you cant take sample size of these small things seriously
livid totem
can happens in AoE : During Avatar with multiples adds you just go Thunder Clap and Revenge
aka more damage than melee
sweet kettle
our melee hit like trucks
also more revenge dmg means either more procs(rng) or he just spends his rage on revenge
and as late said those pulls and numbers are very very small get like a dungeon overall
lime mantle
@cyan coral please use print screen and paint.
@sand condor I’ve always been told a corner and try to bait the propeller to clean the poop.
strong forum
I always try to tank her where she stands as you have the most room to work with without getting pushed into the oil or w/e it is
cyan coral
Ahh I see thanks guys
Lol sorry @lime mantle, using disc on phone so it’s just easier to take a pic from here 😂
astral crystal
@sand condor usually around the middle, right where she is
adapt based on where the stage gets nutted on
inner sail
420 grongs primal rage or 400 gore for m+ :)?
potent anvil
Gore. You can use grong if you want to focus on ST and you know you wont need a trinket that offers 2ndary stats for defensive purposes.
limpid kite
@inner sail gore imo because u need to channel the grong. And when u are channeling u cant 👏
inner sail
yeah just wondering cuz i run a 415 alchemist stone with gore for M+ but was thinking if my 420 primal would be any good in m+
since its just eating dust in my inventory
potent anvil
Grong is primarily a ST dps trinket. So you wont get a lot of uses in m+.
oblique garnet
@potent anvil are you highest ilvl yet?
potent anvil
Unfortunately Im stuck around 423.31. Need pants or ring at 425 since getting both a 425 weap and shield requires raiding.
strong forum
Holy shit imagine getting even 1 425.
potent anvil
I did get a 425 dawnbreaker 
strong forum
But hey 6 sockets atleast
potent anvil
Gear with holes is huge
potent anvil
My wrists are 425 with hole and its crit/haste. Feelsgood
oblique garnet
Atleast you dont have 14% vers on your highest ilvl gear
sick sentinel
LMAO
potent anvil
Just stop getting vers gear, ez
sick sentinel
my highest ilvl gear has 114 vers
pseudo spindle
Hi guys 😃 dwarf or darkiron for the racials on prot warrior ?
outer dew
Whatever looks cooler tbh
limpid kite
@pseudo spindle nelf :D. DID for passive DR and bigger avatar but Gimli have passive +1%crit and active DR
silk mortar
^They are essentially they same. Comes down to what looks cooler and all, prefer dwarf cuz coo
willow scarab
Dwarf and Dark Iron basically operate the same
Night elf is better for M+ and for dps in raid
Void Elf is the cutest race
autumn pendant
Play gnome to get lost in packs
exotic spoke
Space goatis cutest. fight me
Space goat gives a lot of strength and the heal isn’t something to discount when combined with last stand or rallying cry.
That said, as others mentioned - play what looks cool. They all work
kind geyser
LF space goat aoe is impressive in m+ also
livid totem
I wouldve taken ne just for shadowmeld. Help a ton for m+ and WQs x)
strong forum
Space goat is sexy aswell coughbut dank iron for me, removing almost every debuff is insanely strong
Especially the bleed removal is so good in m+ and on conclave
Not to mention necrotic
willow scarab
space goat with lazer beam is cool but heal one isn't
strong forum
Lemme just racial 40+ necrotic stacks and I don't have to kite for shit
mortal brook
ppl think dorfs aren't the cutest? wheres my mog at!
can meld off necro outside of bosses, but resets threat
willow scarab
2 weeks out of 13
who cares
i'll just pvp those weeks or do acheivments or some shit
warm plinth
It only clears threat while you’re actually stealthed. You get the threat back as soon as you cancel the effect.
willow scarab
sometimes
strong forum
Ye I don't have good experience with nelf to reset necro on my vdh
warm plinth
It’s definitely not as reliable as the dwarf racials. They are safer too because there’s no risk of your melee getting slapped. And they work on some other dangerous shit too like zerker bleeds in KR.
empty inlet
dwarv racial is PogU
still aurora
Hey! Been playing around with azzy helms. I love my enji helm but feel this one out does it . https://www.wowhead.com/item=159430/helm-of-abyssal-malevolence&bonus=4817:1512&azerite-powers=1:118:237:30:83:13
Thoughts?
DC, bom and iv
Pretty hot
warm plinth
Are you buying that one or you already have it?
willow scarab
it's the BiS helm
still aurora
I have it
warm plinth
Oh then definitely use it.
warm plinth
Dream team traits
strong forum
It's the best helmet to get yes
empty inlet
vamperic speed is best trait by far
empty inlet
most pulls are easy
cept the ones with reaping are usually the hardest
also vamp is insane on tol first boss
willow scarab
Fair
still aurora
Vamp over bulwark?
willow scarab
And the only thing between you and a timed 20+ tol is first and last boss
So big value
empty inlet
i would get vamp if you dont have 1
empty inlet
probably go with the bul than
still aurora
I have a choice between callous and Bloodsport also. Best of a bad bunch would be bs?
empty inlet
desert guardiani want
willow scarab
I like big numbers
oblique garnet
desert guardian is better if you dont have vamp speed helm
willow scarab
I use ashvane as my throwaway arms piece
oblique garnet
if you have the vamp speed helm you can get 2x MS 3x BoM 1 DC
strong forum
I can't even get to 40k with 2x DC + Dorf + strength pot and vial proc
So that's :doubt:
strong forum
Well that's cuz of your vers
oblique garnet
exactly
with full crit haste gear and 0% vers your claps wont hit as much but they will crit more often
which results in better dps
strong forum
You have 11% more vers than me so that's only expected
Mine crit for 35k with 3xbom 1xdc
oblique garnet
yeah
strong forum
But I have 22% crit and 23% haste
oblique garnet
i have 410 weapon : )))
strong forum
Oh yeah that could be huge I only have 415 aswell
oblique garnet
420 ilvl btw
strong forum
Unluck
oblique garnet
yeah
strong forum
My pally has 415 from weekly chest :lamo:
full spruce
My alliance had a 355 weapon at 395 and I was struggling holding agro in a 13. GoT a 400 now I’m gucci
strong forum
Oof
oblique garnet
its like this game wants me to play dk
full spruce
That’s how my DK has been. Now I just do my 10 and mekka on it.
Feelsbad always be 8/9 cause of that
willow scarab
@strong forum
I forgot to take off 3x bom 3x dc before raid this week
so there's 44k claps on mekka in my M+ gear
6% verse in this set
willow scarab
hey actually maybe
let me check
i don't think we have a monk
okay we had a monk
also even with forgetting proper azerite
i made it onto all stars for prot warriors
strong forum
418
I mean my overall dps I fine so idc if my claps are lower than others
Literally 25-35k depending on dungeon
And parsing 90s on mythic so it's w/e
willow scarab
I guess it's just minmaxing
I'm doing 30k-33k in keys and 97-99s in raid
Your performance is already far above average and more than good enough for 3k and cutting edge so just up to you whether it matters or not
strong forum
I don't care for parsing cuz my guild is shit
full spruce
I wish I cared about IO score this expac...now playing 7 tanks doing my 10 is good enough
strong forum
I mean just look at our jaina kill https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4KZJqYBLzx82D6j9/
full spruce
Weird that text turned red
strong forum
Ye
willow scarab
That's fair enough then
strong forum
But jaina logs are fucked
Cuz killing elemental
And waiting for stacks to drop
So impossible to get good log
willow scarab
Killing elemental with the recent nerfs is the standard strat
strong forum
Ye but it's horrible for parsing
willow scarab
The real secret to a good log is having people get frozen entering P2 😉
willow scarab
What else keeps you interested once you get cutting edge
I'm 420 from keys and I got my mount, all that brings me to raid is cheesing 99s for fun
strong forum
Well our guild can barely manage CE, we're not doing full reclear
full spruce
Just go 9/9 on all 6 tanks...thats what going to keep me
strong forum
Tfw got grong 99 and opu 100 boss log without cheesing 😏
willow scarab
grong is nice
opu is cheesing
if your guild grey logs then you have the biggest cheese possible on opu
willow scarab
10x 99s 10x 0s
strong forum
Less here and there
strong forum
Ya we don't do logs
It's nice to get orange
But apart from that there's no point imo unless your guild is actually good
strong forum
Thank god we don't do CoS
strong forum
@willow scarab im surprised as to why your average TC does 6k more, SS 3k and you AA 1.3k than mine
Ah triple TC
novel temple
are people picking up devastator again?
strong forum
only for ST parsing
novel temple
ahhhhh ok
sick sentinel
Hey you all. I just started playing Prot 2 weeks ago, and I was wondering if there are any differences I can make in gear.
https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/draenor/Petethepirat
lavish hearth
Any good tips to tank jaina, finally starting her tonight?
mortal brook
dont stand in bad, keep shield block up
gentle sequoia
Hey guys, what trinkets do you think would be best for tanking jaina: 415 alchemist stone, 415 RAGE, 410 block, 400 eye of Rezan or 400 Jes Howlis with socket?
No Prism, sadly
strong forum
rezan + alch or rage i would say
gentle sequoia
Thanks, you think Jes Howlis trinket could be of any use?
mortal brook
not comparatively
strong forum
i personally dont like jes howler at all
gentle sequoia
I see, thanks
sick sentinel
@gentle sequoia @strong forum the only flaw with jes is the cd, which is mostly relevant in dungeons
It still remains one of the best raiding trinkets in the game
strong forum
exactly
soft prairie
is Legplates of Unbound Anguish (from cruicible) any good for tanking? m+ or so?
soft prairie
alright, thanks 😃
golden blaze
hey guys, im just woundering what is the best azerite triat setup for prot in raid and in m+
warm plinth
For m+, 3x BoM 1 DC and whatever else. Iron Fortress is a solid option for the other two slots. For raids, 1 BoM, 1 DC and whatever else. Brace for Impact is a very good choice in raids. Treacherous covenant is good too.
inland bolt
never surrender is the play in most dungeons this week right?
cause of bursting damage
undone sun
No
quiet crane
Never surrender is never worth taking
quiet crane
No it’s never ever used
In any content
It’s very underwhelming compared to bolster
The problem with never surrender is that is scales like poop and in order to get its full effect you practically gotta be close to death
Bolster is a full 15 sec SB with massive health increase in top and can be used to fill in gaps in your SB downtime
livid flax
When using bolster talent, its a waste to shield block during last stand, correct?
lapis topaz
Correct
silk mortar
Well if you wanna max out on damage you can go ahead, but most of the time you dont
sick sentinel
If you were to get a haste proc during last stand (say you were using rezans) then I would be inclined to use a shield block to maximize SS damage.... but in general yes it is a waste
quiet crane
I wouldn’t ever do it unless you greatly ourgear content or you arnt pushing high keys or running mythic content
It’s really not worth it for such a linear increase
shadow wind
should i be taking safeguard for kings rest?
quiet crane
It can be useful in certain situations such as the effect from michinba or whatever he’s name is but that’s about it
primal sable
every man for himself amirite
quiet crane
Not to mention you can take a good chunk of dmg depending on level so take that into account if you pug
shadow wind
what about spit gold/severing axe?
primal sable
you can safeguard people that get spat on by that snake thing
quiet crane
That to forgot about them
But remember 30% transfers to you and if it’s not planned for you’el die quite easily as you start going higher
shadow wind
are there any other dungeons thats worth taking safeguard?
quiet crane
Well yeah but your dps should be able to dodge shit in those others or cop it with personals
What lvl are you even looking at?
Well yeah but your dps should be able to dodge shit in those others or cop it with personals
Most warrs would just use either bigger increase in radius to TC or heroic leap buff
Only time I’ve seen safeguard used is super super high tyrannical keys for exactly that. To help with golds dots etc
Stuff that one shots no matter what you do
vernal stirrup
is blood siphon a trait worth stacking since we have no reliable self healing?
sick sentinel
blood siphon is one of our best azerites
vernal stirrup
alright I'm just looking for more opinions since icy veins said it was and wowhead didn't even mention it
sick sentinel
wowhead should mention it?
vernal stirrup
the only 3 they take about in middle ring are lifespeed earthlink and azerite veins
sand egret
nope!
toxic wadi
ah ok
sand egret
sorry 😦
sand egret
yeah a combination of it being RNG and the value just being really low on the proc itself
livid flax
Could someone point me towards an in-depth mythic+ guide? I'm looking for something that goes over and how to deal with hard hitting abilities/mobs, when to kite a certain mob, what mechanics shield block can by-pass. Those kinds of things. If such a guide exists
warm plinth
There's no one guide that covers all of that. But you can look at the icy-veins guide, the reflectable/blockable spreadsheet, tanknotes for the raid, etc.
If you scroll up a tiny bit in #268491842637660160, there are links to all of those
keen stirrup
will there be a change in talents with the next patch nerf towards thunderclap?
warm plinth
Nope
keen stirrup
nice, thanks
crystal dirge
Hi, would you say 410 Gore crusted + 405 Mekka trink/400 Rezan's with avoidance, which one would you take? I am not sure about two proc trinkets? Are those good together?
fierce juniper
Definitely Gore + Rezan's for survivability. Nothing inherently wrong with running two proc trinkets.
crystal dirge
Thank you!
hearty orbit
What should i spend my lvl 30 talent point on basing my character on PvE dungeons and raids
currently have it spent on ''Crackling thunder''
exotic spoke
That gives you some options. In raids safe guard is probably better. In m+ it depends on your group KrabbyPatty
sick sentinel
for some dungeons safeguard is really big external
exotic spoke
UR for example
sick sentinel
or KR
sick sentinel
but generaly you use crackling thunder or stride
Yo guys
I made a prot warrior tank this week and I'm up to 398
every piece of gear I have is above 400 now besides my azerite and my 1 trinket
sick sentinel
how am I supposed to get gear
junior ivy
someone.
sick sentinel
if I cleared raids already
undone sun
yeah it is @junior ivy
junior ivy
I WAS HOOKED FROM FIRST 20 SECONDS
drowsy veldt
Run 10s
mortal brook
raid, wait on m+ residuum, run m+ for warforged
junior ivy
ty thyme for appreciating chernobyl
sick sentinel
I alreadsy have rezans, I have a 385 diamond but I need to upgrade that. Everything else is 400+
but I have 370 azerites
and I cleared raids already
mortal brook
raid next week, wait on m+ residuum, run m+ for warforged
sick sentinel
So I can't do anything
Did you just not read?
Yup
and I can't do anything
based on what you said
:>
Run M+ for warforged
livid totem
there's no azerites gear in m+ ?
sick sentinel
no
No there is not Raizou
I'm talking purely azerites
I already have warforges up my ass
I don't care about that
You've ran normal and heroic this week?
livid totem
Oh, I guess he meant run for warforged trinket and the likes while you wait for next raid I guess ?
sick sentinel
yes
And Mythic?
I already did my mythic bosses I can do with a pug
Didn't drop anything
not a single azerite dropped
from all 3 diff
mortal brook
azerites will be farmable next tier, but now you have to wait on raid, residuum, and emmisaries yes
sick sentinel
rip
mortal brook
and even then, only to heroic level azerite
sick sentinel
You haven't done anything prior to this week? @sick sentinel
No?
I made this char this week
And you're upset that you can't get 415 azerite week 1?
no?
I'm asking
is there another way
wtf
sick sentinel
Tanks get gear easily
livid totem
I'm only 390 for 1 month but I guess that's what you get for farming as an altoholic ^^
sick sentinel
lol
I don't know
I have past experience so it's easy to join groups and such. I got lucky on my warforges and such
just not any azerites
so I was wondering if there was another way to get azerites
but it seems
not
livid totem
nope, except emmisaries
sick sentinel
Well you can only get azerite from raiding, m0s, emissaries, and residuum vendor.
livid totem
residuum vendors is weekly right ?
sick sentinel
Well if you do enough of the 370 wqs you can scrap it to get 385s.
There isn't a single azerite wq
Now that's impossible to believe
You want me to show you?
Lmao
Then you've already done them
is my guess
No
I legit just made this char this week
So you're saying that I get 4-6 azerite WQs a day and you get none all week. From a system that's the same for everyone depending upon what faction you're on.
Yup
They might of disappeared
but I haven't seen them
because I work 12 hour shifts
I have like 15 hours
You haven't gotten a single Azerite WQ all week?
nope
just emissary
like I said
Alright bud. Take care of yourself.
They might of disappeared
when I was working
livid totem
maybe you're confusing the armor cache you get from WQs ?
livid totem
Or you might have already dropped them if you have 370 azerites gears
I mean, where did you get your 370 ones ?
livid totem
you sure you didn't uncheck the equipments in WQs' rewards ? 😂
sick sentinel
uncheck?
what
I legit just said
they might of dissapeared
when I was working
I don't play this game day night
lmao
sick sentinel
livid totem
top right
sick sentinel
?
I have addons for that
I'm not inexperienced
don't know why you guys are questioning me
and?
I know
That's right now
You said you haven't had one all week
yup
livid totem
EU or US ?
livid totem
ok
livid totem
there's nothing you can do
lusty grotto
what's going on
yeah you can't really get azerite unless an emmisary pops up, you can grind residuum by doing heroic/normal but the amount is really minimal
just gotta wait until tomorrow to get that residuum and do raids
mortal brook
ah excellent its nimchip. is it worth dropping 15 ilvls on an azerite for blood siphon?
mortal brook
🤣
mortal brook
#value
inland bolt
hmm i went against jay's advice and ran never surrender in fh
my hp was fine in the key tbh
it helped alot with bursting and damage from first boss
im getting like 100k+ IPs
sick sentinel
you don't get it
oblique garnet
most of the damage from first boss is still melee
sick sentinel
to deplete a 100k ignore pain
you also have to lose 100k health
if you play properly
you do not deplete most of your ignore pains anyway
you can have 300k ignore pain
it doesn't matter
because that's all your health as well
inland bolt
hmm ok
sick sentinel
having block up it more important
the heal from using LS is more important
to save you during a big bursting
freehold is actually the best bolster dungeon
and the worst last stand dungeon
if you wanna take it to that arguement
undone sun
The cdr on LS is incredibly important too
steel mauve
to be honest as well, just because a talent works or feels fine doesnt mean its better, in order for never surender to be used optimally you pretty much have to be dead
undone sun
It's definitely intense
hearty orbit
what enhancements should i be focusing on and in what order
warm plinth
Check out the icy-veins guide in #268491842637660160; it has a stat priority section. Make sure to read more than just the list, as you will typically prefer ilevel to certain stats and it goes into detail why that is below the list.
sudden kayak
any one know this upcoming week the affixes are super easy to push for tanking pov
lusty grotto
you're asking if they are easy to tank? fort teeming explosive? it can definitely be difficult for inexperienced players
it should be easy for the rest of us
the only drawback is altering routes due to teeming like always
lusty grotto
ah yes
lusty grotto
pretty much
oblique garnet
Btw @lusty grotto it finally happened i actually got giga tilted from keys
oblique garnet
Yes
lusty grotto
yikes
oblique garnet
wanna know the worst part?
lusty grotto
no mass root?
oblique garnet
Didnt help that we also depleted temple on 3rd boss because of dc
lusty grotto
😦
spice ferry
Letting gold through on kr is inexcusable
oblique garnet
You know its bad when you start yelling on your native language instead of in english
spice ferry
It’s like the easiest mechanic in m+
lusty grotto
yeah that's bad
cause ive actually never done it
i've never been so angry i revert back to non-english
but i know it has happened to some of my friends lol
oblique garnet
Ive never been so angry about videogame
oblique garnet
Dont think i will be doing more keys this week as tank
warm plinth
By letting gold through you mean letting the little gold blobs touch the first boss?
oblique garnet
Yes
oblique garnet
8)))
oblique garnet
you want my big ele dps? 8))
oblique garnet
Rocky is a god
sick sentinel
I don't like you scuffing mechanincs because you're a caster though
oblique garnet
Idk why you dont just tank it in the middle
It leaves more room for error anyways
sick sentinel
I hate that boss
I make one step back
She makes 3 forward
And moves inside of me
oblique garnet
Eh that boss is annoying for different reason
sick sentinel
Like bitch
Gimme some personal space
today i was nearly killing my rogue i moved to boss to reflect she moved behind me xd
and i couldnt bait
We did the 20 today with full on garbage baits
oblique garnet
We still timed it
sudden kayak
a warrior cant heal right death knights can heal but the trade off on warriors is that they can mitigate more then a death knight with ignore pain and shield block right or no?
steel mauve
yep, we have very little self healing, but we take a ton less damage than any other tank
sudden kayak
kk cool
sick sentinel
@sudden kayak But unless they are taking very insignificant damage, the dks can only heal a portion of damage taken
And they end up requiring more of the healer'a attention than you would originally think
pug DKs are terrifying to heal tbh
I'm currently leveling an alliance dk
Because a) they start at lvl 55 lmao
And b) they are plate
And holy shit its messy tanking dungeons
I've gotten the gist of it
But like
I can't fathom
not pressing a button for 3+ sec
oblique garnet
Basically its like
You take prot warrior
Turn on 5000 ping
And thats how you play dk
sick sentinel
they feel terrible to play
since i leveled warrior i just do one weekly key (if i can be bothered) on dk
Dude it's so sleeper
potent anvil
I started playing/gearing my prot pala last week. They're fun to play and I like having utility to help the group.
sick sentinel
I was against paladins forever
Because I don't like the concept
But something about throwing shields
Makes me wanna give them a chance
potent anvil
Im gonna sneak my paladin into m bod run this week. I'm gonna be huge
sick sentinel
distant crystal
potent anvil
solar delta
Is safeguard super needed on a 19 FH?
lusty grotto
hmm its not eudora week
so no
and you dont wanna safeguard on 1st boss
get deleted by that damage or something
only safeguard required dungeon this week is KR
yeah
i guess siege if you're having problems with 1st boss
and chains, not that you should
lusty grotto
pretty much lol
lusty grotto
but its useful for healers that don't know how to do chains
willow scarab
The other two don’t really offer anything since you don’t heroic leap more than every 45 and you’re mostly clapping in normal range
potent anvil
Safeguard is required for first boss FH on high tyrannical assuming your dps won't live. Most high keys are timed with 2 melee, 1 range. You form a tight 'T' (or triangle) formation on the boss so safeguard doesn't move you and you're able to safeguard the melee for azerite powdershots.
You pretty much should use a @targettarget macro and spam it (ranged and healer should be far so you'll never reach them).
willow scarab
I use an @mouseover macro and the high tyrannical he’s talking about starts at 23/24 when the shot will 100-0 a geared dps
In the 19-22 section it’s a shot and a bird poo to kill your dps
potent anvil
You could use mouseover, but I find its hard to react quick enough where as target of target will literally get you there the moment the boss picks someone and you can be mashing it anyway. Either one works as long as you safeguard in time.
shut summit
safeguard / targetoftarget macro is bis for freehold first boss def
shut summit
😉
sand summit
Anyone have a link to the blockable/reflectable sheet?
Jk I am an idiot and found it
sick sentinel
I'm alive
Again
glacial thorn
So I’m fairly new to warrior tanking and not quite sure how Ignore pain works. Is it a legit 50% reduced incoming damage along with a bubble from %based health?
zinc spoke
It's 50% of incoming damage up to a certain amount
lusty grotto
it reduces 50% of damage up to your total absorb amount
there's no "bubble from %based health"
its an absorb
lusty grotto
so for example lets say you have an IP of 30k total absorb
and you get hit by 500
which is... let's say 250 after block
so IP reduces 250 dmg by half
which is around 133
then your total absorb remaining will be 30k - 133
lets say you get hit by a 60k hit
your IP will go away completely
because half of 60k is 30k
and your total absorb amount was 30k
that's all there is to it
undone sun
A bubble not related to stamina
willow scarab
That would confused me if I was new
It's an absorb shield that only half works, if you get hit for 50k you will only lose 25k on your ignore pain
sick sentinel
Ur basically taking half the damage from the attack
livid totem
it works kinda like a BrM except it's not a dot ! ^^
ionic fern
Why are you guys re-inventing the wheel? It's explained perfectly fine in the Icy-veins guide under "Spell summary".
sick sentinel
Because the wheel sucks
ionic fern
😒
sick sentinel
It's all about the cube
livid totem
couldn't get out of the city
too much things to explore first before I could even fight
strong forum
@sick sentinel i feel exactly same as BDK, it's inexcusably slow and terrifyingly low dps
I don't know how anyone could like their top dps being melee and dots
As a tank
lime mantle
DK should be allowed to ride their horse into battle
This fixes DK
Also I wanna say that while xiv is pretty it’s even more mechanically swallow than wow
But their warrior does BIGDICKDAMAGE and as such I am bound to respect them
livid totem
You mean this game is more complicated to play than wow ?
mortal brook
slower GCD but the apm is pretty comparable
livid totem
well if that's the case, then what's the point
all mmorpg games has been slowing down it seems 😦
it's to catter the gamepads players or what
mortal brook
I'm an old man now. My twitch reflexes are gone