Doubt it
#protection
oblique garnet
lusty grotto
sanc wrath and crusader's might?
every time you crusade strike you have holy shock
pretty much
im that build atm
and have been
but without glimmer of light
heh
even in s1
lusty grotto
im reading up on it
cinder pasture
Finally my casual ass is over 2k š
lusty grotto
shit man i just realized im too lazy to re-gear my paladin
dark lark
Glimmer is very fun
Plays like melee disc priest
I'm not very good at it, but a holy pal I run with has 0 issues with it in M+ bursting
lusty grotto
yeah but gearing for it sounds like a bitch
im way behind in gear on chipadin, i've barely played her this season
dark lark
It's the same as gearing any other toon, just gotta get lucky and gamble on 415s for it :p
sick sentinel
"I'd do mplus with you for fun"
dark lark
Kinda like that period before you got your 3x BoM
dark lark
Mythic champs chest has glimmer
lusty grotto
yeah
dark lark
Glimmer and treach cove
dark lark
be me, and play prot pally until you get 3x inspiring vanguard, then start gambling for 3x glimmer
Fooled them all
sick sentinel
I will tank on a paladin
when you can literally be captain america
but with wings
dark lark
I like it because of the utility: bop, sac, freedom, fat off heals
lusty grotto
i absolutely hate it
dark lark
Extra interrupts
sick sentinel
I have been saying forever
there is one class I will never make
a paladin
then MoP came around
and after that, there 2 classes I will never make
lusty grotto
monk?
dark lark
Jokes on you, I play all 6 tank classes because I hate myself
sick sentinel
monk and paladin yeah
lusty grotto
i have all tank classes 110+
i only did it for mage tower
they are rotting at sub 120 except for chipadin
dark lark
I missed out on mage tower because I quit during nighthold fml
Came back for BFA and stuck with it longer than I did legion
I'm an idiot
lusty grotto
i 100% hate tanking on other classes, except for DH but since those don't have a tank spec anymore rip
every single time i try tanking on another class, it just makes me miss my warrior
even in s1
dark lark
Yup
Every time I play my alts, it just feels like a cheap hooker
And then I come home, smelling like smoke and with white powder in my nose, to my warrior
And she just softly sighs in disappointment
lusty grotto
lol
dark lark
I haven't found successful m grong pugs
So if you get the 415 shoulders, more power to you
neon tangle
My old guild died and now my rogue is 6/9 with the new one
lusty grotto
i basically have to pray to get into Mythic groups
neon tangle
Feels weird
dark lark
You just have to be that one guy with <200k health
lusty grotto
alright
ima try to do that
see if i can get lucky and find a champs + grong group
chipadin is now online
oh shit
i have glimmer of light shoulders already
dark lark
Hot damn
lusty grotto
i mean not in the raid, i had them
dark lark
Really no choice but to use Divine rev lol
lusty grotto
i guess yeah
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto dont forget to get alot of haste
lusty grotto
im wiping on mythic champs
oblique garnet
Yikes
lusty grotto
yea
sick sentinel
i made my group for first month when killing first boss on mythic
always 1-2 wipe max
then never return after i get shield
lusty grotto
i got a whole lotta nothing
sick sentinel
i had curve first week so people wanted to join
lusty grotto
feelsbadman
sick sentinel
curve first week in peoples mind means alot
oblique garnet
Idk
First week was kinda iffy because you could cheese jaina with living action pots
warm plinth
Whew. Haven't heard about that item in a long time lol
exotic spoke
yeah no shit
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet who said i used it :)(:
junior ivy
hey
sick sentinel
hey cat
jade anchor
How many ilvls is a socket worth on a armor piece? 5, 10, or 15?
warm plinth
You could argue 5 on some pieces, but typically I don't drop ilevel for a socket unless it's on a ring, where they're worth about 10
lusty grotto
yikes 1900 people being super toxic
dark lark
Plot twist: nimchip is the toxic 1900
lusty grotto
i wish
jade anchor
Alright, what i figured but just wanted to make sure. Ty!
outer dew
knot
distant crystal
the juju gives 712 haste at max hp
outer dew
what's the duration again?
distant crystal
ahh 10sec
yeah, i think it gives base knot a run for its money
one day i'll get a bigger forged juju and shock the world with it
the hp scaling is pretty tiny iirc, like 900 haste at 20% hp
grave osprey
intercepting an ally says it blocks the next melee or ranged attack against them, does that include spells?
first time tank
lusty grotto
no
grave osprey
even with spell reflect up?
lusty grotto
unless the spell is applied via melee
no
back in tbc you used to be able to
but that part was removed
later on
you simply cannot intercept spells
not even with safeguard
grave osprey
alright cool. tyvm for responding. couldnt find anything about it on wowhead š
solar delta
What talent do warriors hearth out of ML after 2nd boss to take?
warm plinth
They don't. That's a meme that turned into people falsely assuming they should do it @solar delta
solar delta
lolol
strong forum
@lusty grotto if you're not using glimmer as hpal you are doing smth seriously wrong
dark lark
He's trying!
strong forum
And you want that 3x not only once
lusty grotto
nah im dusting her off for it
haven't seriously played chipadin since very early s2
faint night
Could someone help me for m+ which of these are the best to use, I've tried them out but idk what's best. None of them has a socket
block has leech tho
warm plinth
Leech doesn't matter. I don't immediately recognize the 2nd one. What is that?
Nvm, idol
honest mantle
did you guys know that warrior is kinda busted at times, I just had 38 stack on mythic jaina in p2 0.o
sick sentinel
@faint night alch+gore
stone cloud
how do you via longs how much something reflected hit for?
spice forge
new prot warrior here what are the averaage stat % i should have
sand egret
whatever your highest ilvl items get you
the guide lays it out here #268491842637660160 but generally we care more for stats in aggregate instead of certain ratios
ebon lagoon
...Haste is good, though, if you can stack it.
Thunderclap, Revenge, and Shield Block all run on Haste.
warm plinth
You don't drop item level for it though.
grave osprey
any advice for generating and maintaining aoe threat on skittish weeks?
warm plinth
Shouldnāt be much of an issue for you as a prot war if youāre playing properly. Use your cooldowns (ava/demo) on CD. Use taunt liberally and remember that leap resets it if you need a second one.
oblique garnet
without avatar its kinda pain
without rogue or hunter or anything
its hard to hold aggro
grave osprey
with cds i can generate snap agro with just a thunderclap or two, but my prot is an alt so im only doing like +9s atm and stuff dies to fast for me to spend enough fury to reset my cds every pack
oblique garnet
do bigger pulls
grave osprey
ive tried but unless a healer main from my guild is carrying me it always results in a grisly bursting death
sand egret
I suggest better, competent dps
unless youāre dying to like 3-4 stacks, generally bursting-related deaths are a dps fault in their damage distribution
which also feeds into skittish
grave osprey
it seems like they are popping cds and all doing st to different mobs outside of my cd windows
sand egret
both affixes this week promote smart dps in both target focus for threat and bursting mitigation
thats your prob
Outside of Avatar, generally you will lose mobs in skittish when your dps are targeting different mobs. if they are all on your target a) they are less likely to pull and b) you have one target dropping considerably faster than the rest, reducing the risk of bursting at the end of the pack
man, I miss the days when dps had to think
grave osprey
i wouldnt know about that lol. i main fire so all i do is drop flamestrikes outside of combust š
ty though. that makes alot of sense
sand egret
welcome to the other side of the coin! š
timber horizon
bursting+skittish = always blame dps lel
nothing really u can do other than using avatar for the "big" packs
if i go random keys (10-15) and dps prepull before i can even charge in, i let them die/kite š
gotta learn it the hard way i guess
and i even think reaping mobs are subject to skittish aswell. never have Trouble getting reaping mobs, but this affix is a pain
willow scarab
This week stupid
I'm not gonna make it to 3k š¦
Also.. .just run with a rogue to avoid skittish issues
livid flax
Hey, could someone point me to a mythic+ guide, i dont see anything in the pins
oblique garnet
@livid flax what are you looking for ? How to tank or any specific tips
livid flax
Little bit of both, I'm reading the icyveins guide now.
grave osprey
wowhead has a great guide that goes into detail for bosses and how to handle every trash mob in the dungeons
wise heart
Hey guys, im running 1x deafening, 3x bom, 1x fortress and 1x bloodsport with the option to go 3x deafening 3x bastion for dps. Is the loss of the more defensive traits worth it for the dps increase that 3x deafening gives?
ebon hound
Not really, I might drop Bloodsport for 1 extra DC. But it all depends on the content you're doing.
wise heart
Just m+, highest key ive chested is a 19 but looking to push more
ebon hound
If you want to push yourself then keep it at 1x DC
wise heart
Cool, thanks
void hill
What is the best alliance race for warrior? Dwarf?
unborn island
The best race is Dwarf :)
But yes, dwarf, dark iron dwarf are very tanky
Unless you need shadowmeld for abusing skips
void hill
im a pretty new warrior and i went nigh elf to clear things like necrotic stacks
but getting aggro back is ugly
final mist
If youāre new, then thatās likely because youāre undergeared compared to DPS youāre running with (and itās Skittish this week)
outer dew
What's your io gorb?
final mist
Racials arenāt overall hugely impactful like they used to be, so you donāt really need to be too concerned with whatever race is the best, same as stats and shit
outer dew
NE is for pugs, and dwarf is for when you start getting into groups
And it seems like he's asking about m+
Where being a dwarf or NE is a huge bonus
final mist
It applies to both raids and M+
BE is a boon to M+ as well, but itās not required (or necessarily even as good as it used to be)
The same goes for NE and Dwarves.
outer dew
Yes, but being able to drop a berserker bleed is fairly big
unborn island
You can clear necrotic as a dwarf
outer dew
And NE death skips can be done by you
unborn island
An you don't lose aggro
outer dew
No longer do you rely on another player to skip properly
For a pug player, little things that you yourself control is pretty big
unborn island
If you're new-ish I would go warrior- there's more room for error while you're learning IMO
The ability to be able to drop necrotic/bleeds/grievous is lovely
*dwarf
outer dew
Hell, theres things in raid being a dwarf is nice
Dropping kimbuls bleed at 3
So when you transition. You domt have to worry about the tick is nice
Is it needed, no
Does it help? Yes
And he's asking about the pros and cons of a race
It's not exactly helpful to tell him only that it doesn't matter
final mist
Whatever small benefits racials give arenāt required / needed / necessary, and what it sounds like heās having trouble with is because heās new, meaning heās A. Likely undergeared, B. Not playing correctly, and / or C. Looking to improve
outer dew
Not really
final mist
Thereās no such thing as a ābest raceā anymore, which is the answer to the question
unborn island
True :)
outer dew
What hes struggling with is NE rac8al
You drop your aggro as ne
The second you smeld
unborn island
Apart from Dwarf, Which is definitely the best race
outer dew
Thata perfectly normal
final mist
I know how it works, I donāt need you to explain it to me
unborn island
Master race
outer dew
Yes. Then you'd also know that it's a struggle to regain aggro right away unless other people smeld
That's a flaw of the racial
final mist
And since he has stated heās new, and itās a skittish week, itās far more likely to be a combination of those two things not helping him than any fault of NE as a race
And again, thereās no such thing as a BiS race
outer dew
Theres nothing to do with BiS race though. But ignoring how useful some racials are is a bit silly
final mist
Learning and tightening up your own play is going to be the right call in 99.9% of situations
Gear is another large factor, again, since he stated heās new to the class, meaning heās likely undergeared compared to whatever DPS heās running with, which is why agro is an issue in the first place
Thatās the only way to deal with the issue, I.E. using CC and shit when SM is popped to control mobs
But the question was, āwhatās the best race?ā to which the answer is, āThere isnāt one.ā Hence my answer.
lusty grotto
tofu
its more than likely sal is correct
why would you smeld at all this week unless for death runs
there's no necrotic to drop, or whatever
final mist
SM is only making the Skittish problem far worse than it has to be, especially if heās new and undergeared.
final mist
Especially if heās pugging.
outer dew
No. And that's fine. What I'm saying is that it's kind of wack you downplay race when it does add a little bit of helpfulness as a tank
lusty grotto
ok
final mist
I never downplayed a race. I said that racials are largely not impactful to your own play so much as playing correctly.
If heās new and undergeared, thatās far more likely to be his issue than any fault of SMās.
lusty grotto
well i mean skittish :p
final mist
And if he was appropriately geared and playing correctly, it would not be an issue (to say nothing of Skittish).
outer dew
But once again
outer dew
He stated him not enjoying getting aggro back from smeld
Unless you have avatar up, ripping aggro back is asss
lusty grotto
well yeah he's gonna need an md/tricks and avatar and leap taunts
final mist
And itās an issue of either play or gear, or both, because you can easily mitigate the threat drop by playing correctly. And again, he stated heās new, so if heās undergeared, thatās only making the problem worse.
Even discounting Skittish.
lusty grotto
leap taunts
outer dew
If you have a pack of 3-4 etc
outer dew
Things do DR, and pugs stun on CD
lusty grotto
well tofu have you ever died and got brezzed mid pull or something like that?
final mist
Make a Macro for SM that does a big ass, ā/y Iām in SM, use CC!ā
outer dew
Most pugs dont even know where their own smeld run
final mist
Shit like that
outer dew
Smeld happens way too fast for that macro to work
final mist
Okay, so your choice is to tell him to suck it up?
If you are, thatās a play issue, not a race issue
outer dew
Its something you'd have to deal with as NE in a pug setting. You can do all of that
final mist
Nim makes a good point too, dying is a threat drop and you shouldnāt have trouble grabbing threat back afterwards either
lusty grotto
i get that it's the big drawback of smeld, but i wouldn't have it any other way, it wouldn't be balanced
final mist
If you are, thatās a play issue, not a race issue
final mist
Then you prepare for the threat drop in advance
lusty grotto
agreed
final mist
You donāt use SM and then blame everything else when it goes to shit
Part of being a tank (especially a Warrior) is preparing for and handling things proactively
Hence, itās a play issue
And this is too far off the topic anyways, since the question was which is the best race and the answer to that is, āThere is not one.ā
outer dew
Brb rq. Have to flip some rice
final mist
Case closed, discussion ended, have a nice day. š
lusty grotto
lmao tofu
tofu guess what im doing
nimchy is trying to pug keys
im a masochist š
lusty grotto
ya
did one 9 WM, pug warlock didnt move on 2nd witch, died, tank left
now trying to do an 8 WM lmao
outer dew
A true monster
Lmao
Man nim
@lusty grotto when in doubt use fish sauce
Fried rice is so much better with fish sauce
lusty grotto
idk
i dont like fish sauce
i cant eat anything from the sea
š
dislike it all
outer dew
???
lusty grotto
which is ironic cause of stewart š
lusty grotto
doesnt it taste fish-like
outer dew
No, when you season with it
The fish taste/smell goes away
So it makes some foods taste meatier without the fish smell
lusty grotto
hmm ok ill have to try it
outer dew
Like you can get the small bottles to try it
Like I put fish sauce in my bolognese sauce
Lmao
sick sentinel
we 2.8k boys
lusty grotto
gz!
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel gz my friendo you wanna push on monday mby?
exotic spoke
Grats kaege
sick sentinel
I am not pushing tomorrow I guess
our 22UR got us a 23 ML
so fuck that
we did a 21 FH
we got another 22 UR lmao
shell pulsar
was lucky enough to get the 415 trinket from jaina how good is it for M+ compared to 400 rezans and 410 vial (with socket)?
shell pulsar
I'll try it out, thanks š
strong forum
Ye it's Nice chunk of overall dmg
prisma crane
i miss these times when i see @final mist chime in, it's refreshing
context matters when giving advice my dudes, something Sal mentioned š
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel this is definitely one of the better weeks for ml
sick sentinel
ik
oblique garnet
I have raid tomorrow so i probably cant push tmrw but on monday
I still have the 20 siege
We could push and time
sick sentinel
ele shaman can blast last boss siege, right?
oblique garnet
Yeah
pearl osprey
hey guys, on boots and cape, would u guys go for +5 iLv or socket? or +10 iLv or socket?
warm plinth
Tfw @prisma crane says something in Skyhold and no one even acknowledges him. I still love you man! ā
You could drop 5 for a socket on those pieces probably @pearl osprey. Itād be pretty close to even statwise though. You can drop 10 on a ring for a socket but never on an armor piece.
prisma crane
@warm plinth ā¤ ā
red dock
Would you normally replace a 410 hand armor with low crit/high mast for a 405 high haste/low crit?
lusty grotto
no
exotic spoke
Do you need survivability or not? Thatās really what it comes down to.
The only people who know that are you and your healers
I tend to go for survivability first corylus
opal mesa
im reading though the icy vein guide
and there is no mention of some of the options
like bonded souls
it heals and gives haste surely its worth at least a mention?
torpid solstice
Hey guys i have a problem with holding agro cause my dmg is shit
what is your rotation?
im having problems with it atm and im losing my mind š
ebon hound
are you loosing aggro in Avatar?
opal mesa
trying to decide what to do here
note : both chests are 405 with the azerite trait thing,
ebon hound
@opal mesa for m+
opal mesa
also, is 293 armor really better than 5425 heal every 6 seconds
i only raid
also you selected thunderclap thingi twice? i thought i only want one of it
ebon hound
woops i just gave you 2x clap, you can take tradewinds on shoulders instead
yeah you're right, you're not wrong to take more than 1 though, you just get no defensive benefit
opal mesa
you also took a thing that increases damage taken by 15%?
opal mesa
hum
ebon hound
if the extra damage taken from treacherous ever comes into play you're already dead
its only below, what, 15% health?
that you take the extra damage anyway
and overwhelming power is also very good for prot
you cannot loose more than 1 stack a second from taking damage
so the uptime is quite good even while tanking 10 mobs
torpid solstice
@ebon hound im losing agro outside of avater
@ebon hound low aoe dmg and single
ebon hound
in single target you just keep taunt up
opal mesa
below 20%
warm plinth
The hit has to actually take place when you're already below 20% for it to be affected.
Which should be basically never unless as Panser said, you were already fucked
ebon hound
and the strength bonus is huge
opal mesa
do i rather have bastion + brace or two bastion?
ebon hound
keeping aggro in aoe outside avatar is not easy if your dps goes ham, I always communicate when i dont have it and pull less to compensate
opal mesa
the guide just ranks them without saying i should get 1 of each
but it would make sense to do so
ebon hound
as many Bastion as you can get for M+
opal mesa
only raid
torpid solstice
What is pro for myth+ aoe dmg
opal mesa
cant stand 5men dungeons
torpid solstice
and single target
ebon hound
Atleast 1 bastion for Raid
opal mesa
also i see you took overwhelming power over winds of war but the guide ranks winds of war higher?
ebon hound
it's also very unreliable survivability
opal mesa
lets say i go with this (to keep the other pieces for fury) what do i fill in?
ebon hound
typically not very strong for raid enviroments
opal mesa
can you get multiple stacks of overwhelming from aoes?
final mist
Take the Revenge trait, Bonded Souls, and both OPs
opal mesa
also if you can only lose 1 stack per second
and you lose 1 stack per second automatically
what is the point of the "or when you take damage" bit?
ebon hound
then you loose 2 stacks a second, I believe that's how it works
warm plinth
You can lose 2 stacks per second maximum
opal mesa
thats a lot of stacks ;x
between bonded souls and bloodsport
they heal about the same
bonded once every 5 second if the proc is up
warm plinth
You get 25 stacks per proc and it's 1ppm scaling with haste
final mist
You get Haste from Bonded Souls.
opal mesa
also, what about one overpower and the ablative shield?
warm plinth
Bonded provides haste which has offensive and defensive value. Bloodsport is purely defensive.
opal mesa
does the haste stack?
final mist
Haste is better because itās both DPS and defensive. AS and BS donāt do any DPS.
And the pure survival they offer is outweighed by the extra DPS.
warm plinth
Yes. The amount of haste per stack will go up with multiple traits.
ebon hound
that's what I would go
warm plinth
Yeah, looks good to me
opal mesa
cheers
ebon hound
well that's a lie, im a dirty padder
opal mesa
oh wow apparently i have a third chest
opal mesa
thoughts on the bottom 2 chests? ;p
ebon hound
Personally I'd use the last chest
Iron Fortress, Treacherous or Bastion and Earthlink
opal mesa
any change to the headpiece azerite?
or shoulders for that matter since im taking iron fortress
warm plinth
IF stacks 100% so no reason to not have multiple
opal mesa
the icy veins guide ranks brace over bastion and iron
ebon hound
yeah, but I like them
and i mainly tank m+
i dont know enough about bonded souls to tell how valuable it is, but that's my input
tons of mastery from Bastion makes avatar super strong defensively
upwards of 70% crit block chance
I know you're asking for raid advice so take my input with a grain of salt, that's just how I would go
opal mesa
im wondering about that callous reprisal thing..
best case 1.5% damage reduction from the target
or 770 haste proc
ebon hound
I've never liked Callous, at all
opal mesa
for m+ it looks great
ebon hound
its not
opal mesa
a lot more damage
ebon hound
not really
opal mesa
500 on an aoe skill?
short tartan
weapon enchant ? siphoniun or haste
ebon hound
haste
opal mesa
its haste AND 500 extra damage
short tartan
m+
ebon hound
ish
opal mesa
haste+ crit and vers+mas+5ilevel
its like 700 here i think
last time i looked which was a long time ago
286g now
ebon hound
Just gem and enchant haste and you're not wrong in 99% of cases
ebon hound
what is
ebon hound
I'd use the gem, put an expensive one in it
opal mesa
best i can do is 30haste
ebon hound
then use the 400 ilvl
exotic spoke
So, the important question is what to drink for drunk m+ and how much?
Need to farm titan forges and who wants to be sober for that
brave mauve
I buy a cheap italian Lambrusco wine for like $11/2 gallons, and thatdoes it forme
exotic spoke
Not a bad option - though wine makes me sleepy. Iām thinking of reacquainting myself with my old friend Jameson
sweet kettle
You can't farm an rng system
opal mesa
may i suggest not doing activities you need to be drunk to do? š
sweet kettle
But if you wanna do something like that I recommend whiskey
opal mesa
all the gear is going to become irrelevant soon enough anyway
sweet kettle
By that way of thinking it why even play this game
exotic spoke
I mean. Iām farming drops (by doing 15s Iām guaranteed a piece) and hoping they titans forge
opal mesa
watch chernobyl instead
exotic spoke
I need better trinkets and some other specific pieces to help with certain things. Ie I need to swap to more dps since Iām not dying and my dps trinkets are lacking
steel mauve
the answer is always whiskey
sweet kettle
^^ he gets it
exotic spoke
As for the being drunk - I donāt need to, but itās kinda just a relax, have some drinks with my push group, and easy mode it
After 4 hours of mekkatorque; 5 hours of m+ at 20-21 range just a little chill session
Who knows - May do a drinking game
sweet kettle
I recommend a drinking game for every death/fuckup
opal mesa
must be nice having friends who play the game ;p
sweet kettle
You will be hammered in like 20mins
exotic spoke
Start out by one per key upgrade (so a two chest is two). And add deaths and fuck ups? That way we should at least get two done smoothly
The 4 people I push with are all guildmates. We want to apply for MDI as a goal, and qualified, but couldnāt get to tournament realm which made us sad
sweet kettle
Yeah and then the shit show begins by key number 4 you might not be able to control the character properly
exotic spoke
Yup
exotic spoke
Takes more than 4-5 drinks to get me that tucked up. Iām a big guy
sweet kettle
Don't worry about it eventually you will get fucked up
exotic spoke
Definitely.
This sounds like how my birthday raid went
Where I may have drank a 5th..... as the main tank....
It didnāt end well for me.
But that was a problem for future Riki to deal with. Current Riki was loving it
sweet kettle
Thats the true way of living life
opal mesa
i dont suppose the ignore pain bit of bastion stacks in any kind of way right?
exotic spoke
I left after the boss in (Antorus?) with the three sisters when I called it a wipe
No corylus
exotic spoke
But who cares... a fuck ton of mastery
sweet kettle
Yep big claps
open bluff
The mastery will buff IP but that's about it
exotic spoke
Big claps
unreal scarab
Thinking of rerolling my paladin for a warrior. I played prot warri on a private WoTlk server and kinda miss some abilities. What do you guys think.:)?
opal mesa
iron fortress stacks entirely?
sweet kettle
Do it
opal mesa
or only the damage
sweet kettle
Warrior> paladin if your group isn't retarded
open bluff
If it changes with ilvl, it stacks
warm plinth
Well...
WotLK warrior was vastly different from how warrior is now
So if you fell in love with it there, it's no guarantee you'll like it now
sweet kettle
Trust me he will
opal mesa
humm 1 brace 1 bastion seems so much better than 2 bastion
exotic spoke
Corylus are you aware of how shield block mitigation is calculated?
sweet kettle
Prot is propably the most fun tank right now
opal mesa
not really no
warm plinth
For raids I would take 1 brace 1 bastion
opal mesa
this is the one game i do no theorycrafting for
exotic spoke
Ok, give me like 15 and i can go over it.
But king story short 3 bastions is ideal. I wouldnāt take anything over one of those three bastions
Long story
unreal scarab
I kinda miss my aoe stun and my situational cooldowns. Like magical damage incoming. Well I got something for that. Physical? Let me press the other button. I had the feeling he had the right tool for every situation .
sweet kettle
@unreal scarab paladins do have alot of tools and so does warrior
exotic spoke
we donāt have as many tools as we used to. But we are Kings of mitigation and reflect Can cheese mechanics hard
sweet kettle
Right now for me the playstyle of paladins is so fcking boring while the warrior is spam clap and go to town
unreal scarab
On paladin I really like the bubble and interrupt game but I kinda miss a stun and sometimes have the feeling to run out of migation if a group takes too long for some pulls.
Jeah that feeling was what made me fell in love with him in WoTlk. He had a shitload of migation if taken the time to dive into his abilities. Less forgiving on mistakes but highly rewarding if played right. Still the case?
opal mesa
spam clap is what i hate about war :x
sweet kettle
Give it time
warm plinth
@unreal scarab Yep, still the case.
The playstyle is far faster than WotLK though; that'll be the key difference for you
Everything was a lot slower back then lol
opal mesa
also bloodsport provides 5k damage reduction same tier iron fortress is 419 block
unreal scarab
how is the mobility compared to paladin?
opal mesa
im pretty sure i use ignore pain faster than i get hit 11 times
exotic spoke
Corylus check pms
sweet kettle
Better in everyway
opal mesa
how is bloodsport not better than iron fortress
i am im waiting for you to write it all out
undone sun
because Bs isn't good
unreal scarab
@sweet kettle alright I think you sold it haha. I guess I LL reroll tomorrow
exotic spoke
Check your pms as for how block mitigation is determined. IF is a good amount of mitigation
sweet kettle
BS is good in some specific situation or you wanna play the meme mdi build
warm plinth
It's good from a purely defensive standpoint. and/or you are only taking unblockable damage
sweet kettle
But IF is better in almost every situation
opal mesa
mdi?
doesnt iron fortress just directly add its value to the damage reduced by blocks?
exotic spoke
No
sweet kettle
Some were playing the leech build if I remember correctly
outer dew
#20% leech or you're trash
sweet kettle
But some did
willow scarab
How do you play a leech build without tertiary stats in mdi
undone sun
stop it tofu
sweet kettle
The true meme
oblique garnet
Nerfclap is an idiot anyone who defends him is in the same category
sweet kettle
Ok then lmao
undone sun
+1
oblique garnet
1 is basically 100% idiot 2 makes him 200% idiot
Also he is not that good at warrior
He kites when he doesnt have to
And has alot of gaps in his mitigation
Honestly i cant believe how he is rank 1 warrior
sweet kettle
What warrior kites?
willow scarab
Wait till you get to higher keys..
oblique garnet
You dont need to kite even in higher keys
sweet kettle
Bunch of pussy dk alts
willow scarab
Yes you do
sweet kettle
The way of the kite
oblique garnet
Unlees its necrotic no you dont
sweet kettle
And if it's fortified with like a shit load of casters
willow scarab
Sometimes you have nothing left and neither does your healer
sweet kettle
Then you and the healer fucked big time
oblique garnet
The moment you have nothing left
Is the time you blame your dps
Because you have more than 1 minute of pure mitigation uptime
If one pack lasts that long
sweet kettle
@oblique garnet what dps? We are the dps
oblique garnet
Its the fps fault for lacking
willow scarab
Sometimes using shield block isnāt enough
23 WCM entire raal hallway
I had to kite
You definitely have to kite
What a weird discussion to have
oblique garnet
You mean the hallway with the guards or the maggots?
sweet kettle
Somebody is doing something wrong
willow scarab
I did both in single pulls
Thereās no way youāre living with just shield block
sweet kettle
Did you pop sr?
willow scarab
Yes thatās the point Iām making
When youāve used everything you have to kite
oblique garnet
Thats not the same thing
sick sentinel
Sometimes you have to kite
oblique garnet
You cant mitigate shadow cleave because its mixed damage
sick sentinel
I kited the second doublepack in a row in fh for example
oblique garnet
When its all physical damage you wont kite
oblique garnet
And thats what i meant by nerf clap bitchingnout after avatar was gone
sick sentinel
I pulled 3 doubles packs
And 2 reapings
I literally had nothing else
Just the bursting damage was killing me
primal sable
i have a feeling people here are only hating just to hate
oblique garnet
No im hating because i dont like watching people at high ranks not using class to their utmost potential
sick sentinel
You can't hold up active mitigation for as long
And yes you can still stay in clapping distance
primal sable
idk man all this just sounds like backseat driving to me
sweet kettle
It's not hate if nerfclap plays the spec like a monkey
oblique garnet
Ok so styx if you saw nearly 4k io tank fail in basics not using shield block on mobs that melee attack would you be annoyed?
sweet kettle
He must be the only warrior I know that keeps heroic leap on cooldown
oblique garnet
Keep in mind this is the same tank who played never surrender in mdi
willow scarab
At the end of the day what he does works for him and heās 4K weāre all below 3k
primal sable
he's rank2 so that leads me to believe youre all exaggerating
spice ferry
thats more a statement about his group
sick sentinel
Ge us a legit demonstration of how fucking powerful prot warrior is
spice ferry
if he can get that high with so many obvious issues in his play
sick sentinel
That you can be that retarded and still perform
undone sun
score is incredibly arbitrary
analog zinc
is Champs really inconsistant or something? I killed them a few times on my warr before but never had any problems until tonight
One pull, she did an auto in between her first prayer & wave of light, resetting my stacks
Another pull, she started casting Prayer, cancelled casting prayer & started attacking me preventing me from resetting stacks
undone sun
you can cheese to get a high score
primal sable
how do you cheese to rank2
willow scarab
You canāt carry someone to 4K though...
undone sun
it's useless to actually determine anything
sick sentinel
If your group is fucking insane
primal sable
i wanna know tbh
sweet kettle
And let's not forget he has fcking JB behind him
sick sentinel
In tactics and everything
primal sable
jb lmao
sick sentinel
Like you can be whatever the fuck
Would it be better for his group if he actually played correctly? Yes
willow scarab
If he was as bad as this discord thinks then they would replace him
oblique garnet
With who from na?
sick sentinel
It's all about the strategy
oblique garnet
Only decent na tank i can think of right now is @potent anvil
sweet kettle
sick sentinel
Isn't sense NA too ?
spice ferry
warm plinth
Sense
oblique garnet
Sense doesnt play
sick sentinel
True
oblique garnet
Hes basically retired
willow scarab
With anyone from this discord? Obviously
Clearly players here feel like theyāre better than him
warm plinth
He's still playing. He has videos up on youtube
oblique garnet
Imagine having consistent group to always push keys
sweet kettle
Nerf is a good player but his playstyle on warrior is shit at best his choices are garbage and mdi proved it
warm plinth
Last key video was a few weeks ago but he has a mythic uu'nat video up from yesterday
oblique garnet
Its not exactly hard to grind high io
willow scarab
If itās that easy why are none of us 4K or even 3.2k
warm plinth
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying Nerf is trash or anything. He just isn't the immaculate warrior that people make him out to be just because of his M+ rank
warm plinth
He makes mistakes that people with half his score wouldn't make
primal sable
and then theres being rank2
sweet kettle
@willow scarab cause some people have a life?
sweet kettle
I don't eat wow money
sick sentinel
If you see my rio page its all different affixes for example
willow scarab
Sounds like a cop out? You have time to play the game and time to be in discord
sick sentinel
I don't get score on easy weeks
potent anvil
spice ferry
you can be on discord anywhere
sick sentinel
The amount of keys I do in a week
oblique garnet
If i got paid to play wow the same way he does i wouldnt mind playing 12-14 hours a day
sick sentinel
They do in a day
warm plinth
I don't really get defending him tbh. You can admire his rank and still notice his mistakes. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
spice ferry
nah ghash being that high means you play perfectly 100% of the time didnt you know
warm plinth
Apparently
oblique garnet
If you compare his play to naowhs when they play seriously its night and day between the two
sick sentinel
"You have time to play the game and time to chat in this discord"
I chat in this discord from either my bed
Or class
sweet kettle
Or toilet say it kaege
willow scarab
If heās so bad and everyone here plays warrior perfectly then why is there a huge io gap
warm plinth
Yeah. The majority of my time on Discord is when I'm bored at work, where I can't play WoW.
willow scarab
That is why Iām saying
spice ferry
yeah im actually shitting right now
sick sentinel
We're not order perfect
warm plinth
Who said we played perfectly?
warm plinth
Literally no one said that lol
sick sentinel
We're criticising basic mistakes he does
spice ferry
im literal trash on my warrior
sweet kettle
Have you seen some other classes top ranks have you seen the gaps there
sick sentinel
And a playstyle that we find incorrect
oblique garnet
Not just the basic mistakes
His decision making
And choosing gear for mdi
Dude played haste / vers when everyone else played haste crit and full offensive
Mans was running bloodsport
primal sable
if he's making basic mistakes then it should be trivial to get ahead of him in score
oblique garnet
Yes gimme 4 people at the same level as his group is sure
warm plinth
If gameplay were all it took to get a high io, most of us in here (not me; I'm bad) would have a pretty high io. But you don't do M+ alone.
sweet kettle
Dude io comes with the group it's not something you earn solo
sick sentinel
Give me a week with JBs group and I'll get from 2.8k to 3.8k
oblique garnet
Gimme lightee and other insane players and i can do the same
primal sable
its not like he fucking hires them to play with
sick sentinel
I actually believe that
oblique garnet
Its not even fucking hard
sweet kettle
He can be shit and have 4 retards carry his sorry ass
warm plinth
Who said he did...
oblique garnet
No he doesnt hire them
primal sable
so
oblique garnet
But he plays with them
primal sable
if youre on th same skill level or greater as nerfclap
they would prefer to play with you
warm plinth
Styx do you like sports?
primal sable
who doesnt make basic mistakes
spice ferry
you just dont get it do you
oblique garnet
Styx im eu he is NA and i dont play the game nearly as much as he does
sick sentinel
I literally had a boomie in a run today
primal sable
plenty of good players in eu
oblique garnet
Theres also plenty of eu players who dont speak english
sick sentinel
Do you know how he got a 22 key?
He played with naguura
His skill level is for 15s
sweet kettle
#boosted
warm plinth
Look, I can't fly a helicopter. But if I saw a guy fly one into a tree, I'd know he fucked up. Just because these guys or myself aren't at his io score doesn't mean he's automatically more knowledgeable and/or a better player than we are.
sick sentinel
He had absolutely no clue about what he was doing
sweet kettle
I say he is trash
primal sable
there you go
oblique garnet
Flying helicopters into trees and having autopilot assisting you on how to avoid the trees is the same thing 8)))
sweet kettle
Went to the mdi to meme
warm plinth
I thought that analogy was pretty clear. We don't have to be doing what he's doing to know when he makes a mistake.
lusty grotto
i wouldn't go as far as say he's trash, but his gearing choices are shit
he def plays decently
sick sentinel
I don't know what level you're doing styx
primal sable
so youre telling me, if i put you in a plane with autopilot, would you become the world's best pilot?
warm plinth
The fuck are you talking about?
oblique garnet
Yes if the autopilot controlling the plane did most of the work for me and all i had to do was sit there and look pretty sure id be the best god damn pilot in the world
sick sentinel
Like playing prot warrior is a fucking joke
primal sable
why doesnt anyone do that then
oblique garnet
Because it takes more than 1 person to do the job
primal sable
obviously for a great team to play with him that must mean he's not utter trash
warm plinth
You act like the top level of M+ has tons of players in it or something lol.
sick sentinel
I'm legit living proof of that
I tanked a 22 UD
And I was literally half asleep
I don't even remember that run
sweet kettle
Most people don't care about the ranks my dude
sick sentinel
I was just pressing my buttons on autopilot
oblique garnet
When you are doing high keys you hit a wall where your tanking abilities stop carrying the key and rest becomes the dps/ healers thing to do
sick sentinel
Jb is carrying him
spice ferry
there are very few people that:
A) Have enough time on a given week (push weeks) to grind score
B) Know 4 others that are capable of doing those keys.
C) give a shit about RIO ranks
primal sable
except everyone is also saying that he's nowhere near that wall and somehow his team is covering up for it
sick sentinel
He can play his class good enough
warm plinth
He is a decent player. He's just not as good as you're giving him credit for.
oblique garnet
This
sick sentinel
So~ do his job better
Literally the only think he has to do
And his group
That is carrying him
Could push even higher
With the more dps
And his healer can be at ease because he would have to drink less
And use less cds
So, saving time
Preventing deaths
For example instead of spamming ironbark on him
Use ironbark on a dps that's taking damage
For example underrot spider
Its different from criticising a pilot
And criticizing a player in an NBA team
One is doing everything alone, and the other is in a team of 5
You can be the worst of the 5
But you can also be good enough to justify yourself being in there
sweet kettle
Even the pilot isn't alone actually
warm plinth
I think you guys are going way too deep into my analogy. Literally the only purpose of that analogy was to say that you can know absolutely nothing about an action and still be able to point out obvious mistakes.
undone sun
lol
sick sentinel
Its like being a goalkeeper and the opposing team never shooting
sweet kettle
Pilots>autopilots>all>shit>nerfclap
oblique garnet
Thats the problem
spice ferry
styx is right
warm plinth
Yeah we're just going full circle at this point.
spice ferry
we're all wrong
lusty grotto
there's a training part that takes time
primal sable
@spice ferry im sorry, you are?
warm plinth
Just let him be a fanboi
sweet kettle
There are no better tanks at that level cause nobody gives a fuck
oblique garnet
The best tank in NA is actully playing dps in his group
sweet kettle
And on na aswell
spice ferry
he's a fanboi and nothing else
lusty grotto
team synergy is pretty big
primal sable
dude the guy above him is a us tank
spice ferry
who maybe doesn't want to play with his team
sick sentinel
Who has his own group?
spice ferry
who's to say that tank wants to leave the team he has currently
primal sable
theres a whole leaderboard of tanks then
oblique garnet
The guy above him is literally someone who nobody had heard of before???
opal mesa
bonded souls or iron fortress?
lusty grotto
like imagine a better warrior being a pompous dick for example, do you know how much you would have to invest in having practice runs with him?
oblique garnet
And he got to same score as nerf
sick sentinel
@opal mesa iron fortress
sweet kettle
The guy above him is a raider in limit
oblique garnet
You know your making your point redundant right?
spice ferry
the entire warrior discord is wrong, he plays absolutely perfect at all times. We are wrong to suggest that his mighty highness could ever possible make a single mistake
undone sun
š¤£
sick sentinel
@primal sable do you have a team?
warm plinth
We need a Nerfclap appreciation day. Get on that konrad
sweet kettle
BS is the new meta make nerf theorycrafter
primal sable
i dont
lusty grotto
i don't either, i sympathize
sick sentinel
I have access to better healers than my healer
I don't wanna play with other healers
opal mesa
why are you guys being rowdy what happened
sick sentinel
Because me and her have synergy
warm plinth
Just a lively debate.
sweet kettle
Kaege is your healer a female?
sick sentinel
I have had numerous male healers in the past
oblique garnet
Hey guess what nerf got so much shit for running defensive traits he finally changed into offensive traits and actually climbed 300 io
sweet kettle
Oh it does you dirty dirty boy you
oblique garnet
But i guesd the warrior discord was wrong to tell that hes shit
lusty grotto
lmao bugatsa
spice ferry
yeah definitely wrong
sweet kettle
What I can't have some fun with my fellow Greek
lusty grotto
here's an example
primal sable
just to be clear, i dont care about nerfclap
it was just funny to me that people with half his score or lower
are calling him trash
sweet kettle
No I am calling him shit
primal sable
cant even type apparently
lusty grotto
this druid i ran with is 2400, i used to run with him and got him some io (he doesn't heal for me anymore). He made a warrior alt and keeps running with his team and he's probably gonna pass my io due to that.
sick sentinel
Well half his score is an overstatement
oblique garnet
No im calling him an idiot for making simple fucking mistakes as someone at his io shouldnt be making
spice ferry
just because we have lower score (which is an irrelevant metric to this conversation) does not mean we are unable toi identify misplays
opal mesa
so apparently there is a world of competitive mythic running i was not aware of?
sick sentinel
He run fucking siphoning for godness sake
opal mesa
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warm plinth
Uhh
spice ferry
@opal mesa MDI
sweet kettle
@sick sentinel boost me plz I am gonna play fury and be the best fury warrior
lusty grotto
have you you kind of been living under a rock?
sick sentinel
@opal mesa It's been a thing for years now
sweet kettle
I will play with Tom the hidden fury gem
sick sentinel
Lmao
oblique garnet
Im not saying im the best warrior here by a mile i know im not
opal mesa
i pretty much just pvp and do pet battles sorry
lusty grotto
gotta catch em all
primal sable
3 out of the top 5 tanks run siphoning
warm plinth
Hey I found the one guy who does pet battles
primal sable
lmao
oblique garnet
But when it comes to fundamentals like keeping your shield block up when tanking mobs that do physical damage
opal mesa
and once per expansion do the raids
warm plinth
jkjk
sweet kettle
Pet battles = pinnacle of gameplay and atheltism
warm plinth
Styx do you also believe Sco's tank ranking videos? Asking for a friend.
sweet kettle
Can't ride someone when he leaps away
sick sentinel
Well because they follow some retards advice that has no idea how to gear
primal sable
yes, sco is the greatest tank that ever graced this game