I mean, if you are playing the spec wrong
#protection
sick sentinel
undone sun
alright we dont need to get into subjectivity
opal mesa
having my defensive ability being tied to and gate kept by my dps rotation is just yucky
oblique garnet
Kage btw i have 20 siege on my shammy
exotic spoke
Our cooldowns are on very short timers with AM. Use them proactively
opal mesa
also no oh shit cooldowns
sick sentinel
No oh shit CDs?
siege of boralus makes me want to go jump off a bridge or skyscraper
distant crystal
shield wall friend
exotic spoke
We have so much mitigation and amazing cooldowns
opal mesa
paladins have shield wall
oblique garnet
You dont need oh shit cds when you dont take damage
exotic spoke
We have an external to the other tank every 15 seconds
distant crystal
yes i mean they are different classes :p
sick sentinel
Yeah but you need lay on hands when you're busy taking more damage
another siege? fuck dude
exotic spoke
We are pure mitigation. Healing is for the healers
distant crystal
paladin can heal themselves to make up for the inferior mitigation ^_^
sick sentinel
we have like 2 sieges already
opal mesa
also i hate that there is no way to get my hp back up
have to entirely rely on a healer being available
exotic spoke
That’s because we are pure mitigation
opal mesa
can only slow down how fast it goes down
sick sentinel
look
opal mesa
and with the ignore pain nerfes cant even freeze it going down
oblique garnet
If you play warrior properly your hp wont even go down
sick sentinel
and healing 40% of damage taken
oblique garnet
^
exotic spoke
Ignore pain is a damage smoothing ability.
Last necrotic week I was routinely getting up to 30 stacks and didn’t feel in danger. I got up to 50 stacks and didn’t care once
oblique garnet
Vampiric speed also
opal mesa
also isnt the paladin active mitigation stronger but with shorter duration?
oblique garnet
Its poor mans version of shield block
sturdy sable
sotr?
opal mesa
the one that adds pure armor for 4 seconds
sick sentinel
it's purely worse
opal mesa
alright
exotic spoke
shield block is god
oblique garnet
Lets just say that with shieldblock you can tank 3x Brutal smashes from grong without dying
With sotr you die on the 2nd
undone sun
but sotr does aoe damage 😡
exotic spoke
Taking two smashes in a row on mythic grong and I lost 145k hp that’s it
opal mesa
can definitely agree that warrior is smoother but i kind of like spiky mitigation because you can spike it when you actually need it and be paper when you dont
exotic spoke
Windows thunderclap thyme
distant crystal
wait wut
opal mesa
feels better than being average the whole time
exotic spoke
So does *
undone sun
windows
distant crystal
3x smashes with just shieldblock and wall?
exotic spoke
Auto correct
oblique garnet
Yes waat
exotic spoke
Double smash waat
distant crystal
Late was saying 3
oblique garnet
You can take 3x smashes with just sb and wall
exotic spoke
Was what I took without shield block up (only avatar) and took 140k
But yeah we can
opal mesa
oh yeah and paladins also have the death block thing for when you fuck up and get stuck in some mechanic that is about to hit ❤
all these cds
i feel naked on this warrior i am playing now
oblique garnet
If you get stuck on mechanic that kills you its because you didnt play properly
exotic spoke
We have so many CDs
sick sentinel
you being bad at game is not a problem with the class
distant crystal
gettin spicy
opal mesa
arguable ;p
undone sun
notlikethis
opal mesa
a class having solutions for mistakes is definitely an advantage
exotic spoke
Demo shout, shield wall avatar, commanding shout, last stand.
We have externals for a person every 15 seconds in safeguard
undone sun
at least acherus allows emotes
opal mesa
can survive a third smash for example if other tank is dead or didnt taunt or who knows
weird stuff happens
¯_(ツ)_/¯
exotic spoke
We can do that
oblique garnet
Acherus stays on point for longer than 10 minutes #protection stays on point for few minutes tops
distant crystal
i never tried to take 3 but
exotic spoke
I’ve taken two with only avatar up
distant crystal
2 was pretty easy with wall, makes sense
oblique garnet
Three bites is big yikes as non dwarf
opal mesa
does avatar provide any defensiveness besides more rage generated?
exotic spoke
Yes - with BoM it gives a fuck ton ofnlastery
opal mesa
bom?
exotic spoke
Mastery. Damn phone
oblique garnet
Avatar is biggest defensive if you have 3x bastion lf might
And its on 45 second cd
sturdy sable
bastion of might
exotic spoke
Which gives crit blocks (doubles the mitigation % up to a max of 85%
opal mesa
i admit ive been tanking with fury traits so far
exotic spoke
Get bastion of might
distant crystal
3 bastion 1 DC 2 whatever
exotic spoke
Get 1 deafening crash. See the difference
opal mesa
lets see if i have it on my gear
exotic spoke
What waat said
distant crystal
also what talents are you running
exotic spoke
If you want more defenses use brace for impact or iron fortress
opal mesa
DC seems like a dps ability?
distant crystal
1123211 or similar?
exotic spoke
Nah, defensive (and offensive)
distant crystal
1 DC for the extended demo shout
exotic spoke
Extends duration of demo shout
distant crystal
anything beyond that is purely for dps
opal mesa
1223211
undone sun
1 DC is basically mandatory, after that it's just for extra damage
exotic spoke
I think that second row of talents is preference. That’s where safeguard is isn’t it?
undone sun
basically
opal mesa
yes
distant crystal
ye @exotic spoke
oblique garnet
Crackling thunder is best outside of kings rest tho
exotic spoke
I’d take safeguard that tier if you’re not
distant crystal
wider claps, more leaps, or poor man's sac
opal mesa
i dont think i ever intercepted a friendly
oblique garnet
You dont need safeguard for it
distant crystal
safeguard is just good for things that don't count as attacks
exotic spoke
I thought it only took one hit otherwise whereas I transfer 30% of the damage
Like tantrum
distant crystal
but intercepting allies is kinda huge for like, powder shot
and a few other M+ mechanics
opal mesa
in my case i only care about the raid mechanics
lusty grotto
yeah you can
opal mesa
i dont do m+
oblique garnet
You 100% can cheese it
distant crystal
yeah you can dodge it behind the pillar
lusty grotto
on the pole where the monkeys hanging
opal mesa
i got burned out on all the dungeons back in 8.0 and dont wanna do them ever again
exotic spoke
@opal mesa are you looking for a very defensive tank build for raids?
opal mesa
for now yes
lusty grotto
well this one's kinda newish
opal mesa
until my gear catches up
distant crystal
bfi
opal mesa
and until i learn this class better and stop forgetting to use abilities
lusty grotto
very rare seeing a warrior only dedicated to raids
oblique garnet
Hello nim i only raid
oblique garnet
M+ is dead
lusty grotto
lies
sick sentinel
❤
oblique garnet
Only play dps in keys now
opal mesa
i dont really have much of an option in gear
exotic spoke
Iron fortress is a decent substitute for BfI for survivability on physical damage
opal mesa
ill probably just use whatever is highest ilevel
oblique garnet
Im waiting on you to join EU nim so i can tank again 😘
exotic spoke
That’s the rule of thumb Cory
lusty grotto
💔
sick sentinel
I'll tank for nim
exotic spoke
I tried to rank for nim once but he couldn’t get a group together fast enough
lusty grotto
oh
distant crystal
quick nav is cheap
lusty grotto
uhh have you been gone for 4 expansions or something?
opal mesa
cheap is what
exotic spoke
Haste is always good
exotic spoke
What Ilvl weapon did you get
exotic spoke
Unless you do mythic you’ll likely be like using that for a while or something close to it
lusty grotto
is u broke
exotic spoke
NA? Horde or alliance?
distant crystal
pug champs
opal mesa
alliance
distant crystal
get a fatty shield
lusty grotto
imagine running a 10 for that chest
opal mesa
eu
sick sentinel
we're starting on cabal on monday
exotic spoke
Rip
distant crystal
tbh if your guild is progging heroic you might wanna step in for M Champs as a guild
M champs is easier than a few of the heroic bosses
exotic spoke
Corylus try to pug mythic first boss of BoD for a shield
lusty grotto
you can simply pug M Champs
exotic spoke
Super easy
lusty grotto
just pug it
exotic spoke
Or you can just do it
lusty grotto
its x-server anyway
exotic spoke
Takes like 10 minutes
distant crystal
but yeah, if not just try to pug it on an off night
opal mesa
gotta prioritize two handers for pvp
distant crystal
i still coin champions every week
opal mesa
i miss legion :>
distant crystal
one day i'll get my 425 shield
opal mesa
:<
opal mesa
aye
exotic spoke
So sounds like you should definitely do it and coin it
lusty grotto
well its either prot loot spec or dps loot spec
exotic spoke
Or both if you change before coin
distant crystal
^
distant crystal
i got shield and coined weap on my first kill 😮
exotic spoke
Can’t get anything over 415 from that boss
exotic spoke
Though, I did get an indestructible shield
oblique garnet
I wish i had better one hander
exotic spoke
Saves aoooo much money
lusty grotto
410 with socket
exotic spoke
I’ll link it to you when i get on line
sand egret
damn you got the dream
sand egret
not you nitwit
lusty grotto
😦
exotic spoke
I think he means me
sand egret
the indestructible shield
exotic spoke
Rofl
sand egret
that's real value baby
exotic spoke
Cash money right there
lusty grotto
gonna save it for the speed
spice ferry
does anyone know what ilvl you need to be to get 400 azerite emissary
sand egret
🐢
lusty grotto
woops the other one has a socket so yeah
sand egret
like 397+ I think?>
distant crystal
it's weird, there doesn't seem to be a fixed ilvl
lusty grotto
yeah i think its 395ish maybe
opal mesa
i still dont really get how fury ilevel works
distant crystal
when emissaries were 370 i had an alt that was 365 that didn't get it
and another alt that was 363 that did
opal mesa
people online claim its an average of your weapons
spice ferry
yeah i remember it being odd, but wasn't sure if it low or high 390s
opal mesa
but seems only your mainhand is counted
oblique garnet
390 ish gives you 400 azerite caches
sand egret
I'm just glad to be back at more than 1x BoM
exotic spoke
3 hours as a Maghar orc tonight... bleh
lusty grotto
😮
sand egret
last week was the pits
sand egret
ya know who else needs weapons
lusty grotto
has a pleb WM9
sand egret
Rigatony
lusty grotto
rigatony
floral jasper
hi guys - new to tanking. For 10-15 m+ - which is better overall for the engineering helm. Synaptic Spark Capacitor vs Relational Normalization Gizmo
exotic spoke
As an officer / raid leader / main tank for the guild it’d be a very bad decision for me to not be there for mekkatorque progression
sand egret
arguably best hunter NA
lusty grotto
id say its a super easy decision riki
hey guys i cant make it, more important things are happening
nobody can say no
spice ferry
appears offline
exotic spoke
If I did that my push group would want to push keys lol:
lusty grotto
dat riki being invisible
sand egret
just tell them Rigatony called
exotic spoke
So we have 5 hours to push instead of two post raid
sand egret
^
exotic spoke
Are you on nimchy right now? And blade are you on rigatony?
sand egret
naw, you good 😃
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
Lol
lusty grotto
shit man i just got the best idea for a new profile pic thanks to rigatony
exotic spoke
Let me see what I can do when I get on
exotic spoke
Oh i was takin rigatony not nimchy
lusty grotto
sonofabitch
exotic spoke
Lol
lusty grotto
alright im gonna get to work on this profile pic
opal mesa
why is fury a scam
lusty grotto
you guys are gonna love it
exotic spoke
Like a panda loves a rock?
lusty grotto
jesus im not Jettom
warm plinth
Offhand damage is virtually irrelevant for a lot of specs so it’s normal for it not to have a big change.
lusty grotto
all im saying is i gotta dust off my mad photoshop skills
oblique garnet
Nim change back to your old pfp
sick sentinel
^^
opal mesa
gemswise i want haste right?
exotic spoke
Yes
lusty grotto
Shh guys stewart might get mad
sick sentinel
same tbh
opal mesa
did mythic first boss as you said
no drop on both rolls 😦
and also no drops in general
i got maybe 2 upgrades so far from raiding
neon tangle
opal mesa
its such an easy fight too wonder why we were not clearing it as a guild
sick sentinel
not even the xmas hat?
exotic spoke
@neon tangle hi sadbox
exotic spoke
I know right lol
warm plinth
I was actually gonna photoshop the :sad: emoji face on to a cardboard box for you @neon tangle
Uh wait, there's no sad face emoji by default? lol
🙁 Oh, pardon my fucking french; it's "slight_frown"
undone sun
😔
warm plinth
"pensive" lol
lusty grotto
guys
i did my best
but im a software engineer not a photoshopist
@sand egret that ones for you
undone sun
hmmm
sand egret
LOL
lusty grotto
well a hmm is good enough for me
thanks thyme
ok let me unclutter discord
pls no chef nimchipee jokes
i also made this for the guild i raid with https://i.imgur.com/PWdDTtQ.png
😉
exotic spoke
Fuck
Two people used blingtrons
Right before mythic mekkatorque
And now we have hardmode mythic mekkatorque
God fucking damnit
exotic spoke
Now we have ten minutes of not doing shit
willow scarab
That’s a really good troll
weary veldt
just missing the hat now
warm plinth
@weary veldt You should have named your shaman Llamashama
@lusty grotto Where the fuck did Stewart go D:
warm plinth
Okay Chef Nimchip, where the fuck did Stewart go
How's he not gonna get a spot on the packaging
junior ivy
hey
undone sun
👋
real thunder
hello, anyone know in CoS what causes Uu'nat's adds to get bigger and do more damage? I think it's him getting to 100% energy but im not sure that bring a big add down to 1% health and causing it to regen its health also cause them to enrage?
jade socket
@real thunder are you talking about mythic or heroic and below
junior ivy
what are you guys all up to
real thunder
@jade socket heroic
jade socket
the adds do more damage the more hp they have, and yeah in p2 the boss heals every add and gives them a dmg buff
if that helps
real thunder
@jade socket thanks! so bringing them down and having them regen health back to 100% doesnt not caue them to do more damage.
doesn't cause*
jade socket
yeah doesnt cause them to do more, just causes them to do full dmg again from being at max hp
limpid kite
Helo I got the new trinket(idol) from CoS hc yesterday at 410. I used the 415 crit-block and 400 rezan trinket, but I wanna use the idol too for m+. Which teinket should I replace for it?
ionic fern
Hei.
I'd replace Rezans for it if you really ..REALLY want to use the idol.
limpid kite
I main paladin and I missing the healing aspect from my clappyboii and that is why I want to use it
ionic fern
You shouldn't really need it as a warrior tho since we're more of a proactive tank .
daring bay
When a website say you have to go to use this comand /way Shattrath City:Outland 65 69
what addon shows where that is?
hidden linden
Tomtom, most likely
livid totem
@opal mesa that's funny. I find both pala and prot war horrible to play, but that's because I'm a BrM / BDK's fan :p
I guess It's simply a matter of perspective !
sudden kayak
hey why do people use devastator talent for wont that compromise survival
if your new to tanking use booming voice for survival right
livid totem
Personally I'd recommend devastator for beginner but that's just me
undone sun
BV is the go to for survival regardless
deva is only for damage
and on pure ST
no way would i use deva as a beginner
livid totem
It's because I always keep forgetting about using devastate when I have nothing to press
and it took me a very long time that I had another button
livid totem
yeah I understand, I mean, for me, it's better for beginners to start with as less buttons as possible
between ls, sb, sw, and IP for mitigation alone, it's kinda hard to keep track for beginners for everything
steel mauve
probably over complicating things then
livid totem
compare that with for example dk : a simple Bone shield and he's good to mitigate at least 20% of the damage for a very long time
steel mauve
major cd's arent difficult to keep track of, especially with weakauras and possibly making them with sounds, IP is a thoughtless ability, use it when you have extra rage, SB use it when actively tanking, we have more buttons sure, but they dont take any more conecntration than other classes
and if needed, make a weakaura like i said with a sound when it comes off cd, both my avatar and demo shout weakauras have sounds so i know exactly when they come off cd and i dont even need to visually track them
livid totem
that's because U've been playing this class for a long time
steel mauve
and on the topic of BV being more complicated, if you cant use it correctly then you wont even get close to using deve right, since it takes more focus to track procs than it does a cd every 20 seconds
livid totem
I think you underestimate the number of button to press compared to the others tanks
Yeah there's also this weak auras : for those who have it I feel like it's easier to keep track of procs than it is to press a button like devastate after you pushed every button.
devastate is like, on the bottom of the list for rotation, or close to it, right ?
steel mauve
to be honest you really dont even need to press devestate, its only for the SS reset, since our basic white hit melee's do more damage than it
and ya its the last button you hit basically, so it even gets very few presses in a fight regardless
livid totem
yep, that's exactly it : it's good for SS reset, which is basically why I like to say to take it for beginners for devastator, since they'll have more of this proc
steel mauve
not really, since devestator causes the reset chance to be 10% lower than devestate
warm plinth
And it takes away one of our strongest talents...Booming Voice
livid totem
emphasize the word : beginners"
warm plinth
If you feel like you're okay with gimping yourself to take Devastator, that's cool. But I truly hope you're not telling other people to take it.
steel mauve
that and the added rage from BV will be far more beneficial since its on demand rage if you get your self into a spot where you just rage starved yourself
and a beginner will most likely rage starve themselves at poor times
livid totem
alriiiiiiiight, I guess I'll keep my opinion to myself.
zinc garnet
taking BV and never pushing devastate is probably better than taking devastator
warm plinth
^
steel mauve
but to be 100% honest, its better to take the right talents and learn how to play with them than teach yourself bad habits and try to correct them later
warm plinth
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, and we're not really bashing you for it (other class/spec discords definitely would). We're just explaining why it's a bad idea. It's better to fail with the right talents at first than to start off with a completely wrong foundation.
Because then you have to unlearn bad habits later on
livid totem
I doubt he'll have a bad habit tbh
since they're still learning this class
having a good base its imo the most important thing
steel mauve
also not every SS proc with the talent is a proc from your melee, so if you over write a devestator proc with a tclap proc for SS then devestator is virtually useless
livid totem
which means keeping the mitigation up
warm plinth
You're telling them to take a talent that both removes the reason we use Demo Shout on CD, and removes a button they need to press as part of their rotation.
That's learning a bad habit
livid totem
why do you say it removes the reason we use demo shout ?
steel mauve
dps increase from the talent
warm plinth
Because we use demo shout on CD because it gives us a huge amount of rage and increases our damage
livid totem
Demoshout is still mandatory in a devastator build
steel mauve
we use it on cd due to that
warm plinth
Which you get from Booming Voice, which is the talent you're telling them not to take by taking Devastator.
steel mauve
and you're contradictory in your statements
warm plinth
Mandatory but not required to use on CD; it's purely a defensive damage reduction without Booming Voice.
So you'd use it when you needed the DR
steel mauve
they absolutely would not be learning the class if they took devestator over BV
livid totem
Oh well.
steel mauve
our entire class revolves around anger management/booming voice
so learning how to use BV IS learning the entire classes mechanics
steel mauve
you want some one to learn the class by telling them not to take a talent that the class revolves around
warm plinth
I absolutely get your point. Simplifying the spec sounds like the right idea for a beginner. And there are specs out there where that is a good idea (usually DPS specs where it's better to do the right rotation with sub-optimal talents vs. a shit rotation with good talents). But it's just not the right call for this spec.
unborn island
@livid totem Why is this person learning warrior? This might be another question, is it for versatility, or is it to main the spec?
livid totem
Not the right call for this spec, as in, taking bad habits ?
warm plinth
Not the right call, as in, causing them to completely ignore a key part of why this spec is good by taking a completely crap talent.
unborn island
Warrior is probably the hardest tank spec to play well, but you're better off playing 'badly' with good talents than marginally better with crap talents
sudden kayak
i just take booming voice for survival that 40 rage for ignore pain or shield block helps me survive
livid totem
Dunno about the others, Prot war was my one of the last tanks I've played, and it took me a LONG time to get used to every buttons. (pre BfA, and still, there was many thing to improve. I feel like I had an easier time by taking multiples passives talents, and progress by taking more and more active talents.
unborn island
If the player is good, then play the fully fleshed out version (it's one more button, and as the guys are saying, you don't even need to press it), they will learn quickly enough
if you don't think the player is capable of that, then if they have other tanks, then maybe they would perform better using those
warm plinth
And tbh I have zero issue with you doing that if it ended up working for you. I just have an issue with recommending that to other beginners.
unborn island
I used indomitable when I first came back in legion, because I was told devastator needed a swing timer, and I was used to using devastate, I also thought the additional health would be a good crutch. It took me a while to 'relearn' to play devastator
livid totem
yeah I can understand that.
unborn island
it would have been better if I'd just stuck with devastator from the off
livid totem
Fair enough @warm plinth ^^
warm plinth
❤
rose moat
Quick question: Does moment of glory stack? I got 2 BoM pieces with the same tier 3 traits: Self reliance and Momenyt of glory... Is it even worth taking a self reliance or just stack the glory
oblique garnet
Moment of glory does stack
sick sentinel
The health does, the extra seconds does not
autumn pendant
Self reliance is not even worth mentioning
rose moat
I know I was just happy that finally after months of struggle i got my third BoM, but if glory doesnt stack why take a 2nd right
primal sable
stack self reliance as fighter chow alternative Kappa
sick sentinel
Shit I missed a juicy convo
@rose moat
🤣
Do not sleep on moment of glory
It can be insane in some situations
rose moat
Yea like I said i would defintly take on, but the use of 2 if it doesnt stack goes away a lil
But if it stacks hp
Defintly doing taht
primal sable
idk if i should keep a moment of glory on my fury pieces too tho
or go fully selfish mode
oblique garnet
I mean since its fury im assuming youre raiding because thats all its good for might aswell keep it
sick sentinel
Moment is one of the best fury Azerite
Second to RP
Yday we jumped from boat with 4-5 stacks
distant crystal
rally is functionally a heal right
sick sentinel
RL is like " well this will be fun to heal",
primal sable
fury is mainly for keys when im too bored to tank
primal sable
it saved me a couple of time
sick sentinel
And tried to coordinate healer cds
And I'm like "I'll rally"
And he's like "nevermind we got rally don't use any big cds"
primal sable
I actually rally pretty frequently, but i also got 3 RP
my autism is triggering, dont wanna break those apart
oblique garnet
No
distant crystal
oh lol
umbral forge
IT HAUNTS ME
primal sable
pepelaugh nice fuse
umbral forge
Not having a 420 Leaxxa
Are you even trying
oblique garnet
Its not like he does any damage with that gear tho
umbral forge
I do now
primal sable
oof
distant crystal
mine's only 415 :*(
distant crystal
umbral forge
I'd do nasty for that crit
distant crystal
relevant character name :p
umbral forge
425 seal of questionable loyalties JFC
distant crystal
no hole though :*(
fickle edge
Can you use prot gear for arms ?
fickle edge
Sweet and vise versa? Cause I wanna attempt tanking
distant crystal
i was wondering if there was an edit coming
or if i was just way behind on the arms/prot stat meta :p
sick sentinel
Yeah you need just a 1hand and a shield
viscid niche
Isn't crit kinda bad for prot?
distant crystal
it's great
primal sable
no
distant crystal
parry and fat claps
sick sentinel
@distant crystal I was thinking "and both dislike vers/mastery" while I was typing that lmao
primal sable
its damage and parry
sick sentinel
Crit is our best mplus stat after haste
viscid niche
ahh
distant crystal
really all the stats are pretty great for prot
viscid niche
I've been stacking haste & Vers because that's what icyveins says lmao
sick sentinel
Haste/vers is for raids
distant crystal
arms is a little more picky
sick sentinel
Haste/crit is for mplus
viscid niche
that's a good point, icyveins doesn't really specify a stat prio for m+
I've been replacing crit with vers 😦
sick sentinel
If you read the icy veins guide properly, it mentions it
You probs missed it
Marok didn't make a good job on emphasizing how good crit is for prot
Because he doesn't mplus that much
umbral forge
Late, Kaege, either of you want to tank a +13 Shrine?
sick sentinel
Now?
umbral forge
yea
umbral forge
aw
sick sentinel
I'll go get some cereal and I'll come online later
sick sentinel
Depends if yen is online
umbral forge
sweet, I think
sick sentinel
We can do keys, but the moment she gets on I'm gone
I wanna push score today
Anyway, @viscid niche keep in mind, all stats are good
umbral forge
^^
sick sentinel
If you wanna replace stats, do it at the same ilvl etc
If you wanna read a thing about prot war gearing let me know
viscid niche
Yeah I just read through the icyveins guide again and he does say that more stats> specific stat, so even something like +120 crit would beat getting +100 haste
thanks for the help 😛
sick sentinel
I sent you a thing in your pms as well, if you wanna take a look
spice ferry
Why is it that crit seems to be more highly valued in m+ for tanks?
mortal brook
Scales best
spice ferry
Yeah that makes sense
sick sentinel
The thing with parry is rng
But because you are not getting hit by a hard attack every 2,5sec
spice ferry
Rnging to take 0 damage is better than taking x% less consistently?
sick sentinel
But by 10s of smaller attacks all the time
RNG evens out
And in a vacuum, crit scales better
spice ferry
Yeah all makes sense
sick sentinel
For example as somebody who stacks crit, I never kite the berserkers in KR
spice ferry
I was absolutely stacked on crit in uldir
I honestly didn’t know those things ever hurt in s1
Now I’m like fully Vers stacked and I cry
sick sentinel
Uldir was a fun raid
spice ferry
It all makes sense now
I didn’t really raid tbh
We did 9/9h + 2/9m one night a week and then logged
sick sentinel
I liked array because I could do cool stuff with it
umbral forge
we've been waiting on a tank for a hour. @sand condor said he could so we declined some tank who signed then Vic said no.
Ugh.
spice ferry
For what key?
sand condor
woops
sick sentinel
Like, "oh let me use my jes to switch my array to vers"
umbral forge
+13 Siege
umbral forge
yeah
spice ferry
How is it hard to find a tank for 13?
sick sentinel
And get +1600 vers insta
sick sentinel
And a tard
spice ferry
Wtf?
sick sentinel
Who's the leader jet
sick sentinel
Is the leader of the group the one with the highest rio score?
umbral forge
nah he has 500
sick sentinel
Then you tell him to pass the lead
To the person with the biggest score
Learn to pug ffs
oblique garnet
Jettom just wants to get carried thats why he is asking here 8)
umbral forge
this is the only wow community I like ok
sick sentinel
Imagine the only wow community you like is the one that calls you retarded daily
umbral forge
it's why I like it
sick sentinel
Fair enough
umbral forge
oh everyone left cause he refused to take the 410 ilvl blood dk for being a blood dk
spice ferry
To a 13?
umbral forge
yes
spice ferry
On a fucking ez week
umbral forge
yes
spice ferry
Rofl I’d leave too
I love the mdi m+ meta bullshit going on now
380 rogue? Insta Invite.
spice ferry
I get regular declines to 10s on my 419, 1500io dk
sick sentinel
Lmao
spice ferry
8/9m, 1500 io, still not good enough for a Tuesday 10 😛
oblique garnet
Meanwhile my 400 io dk gets into groups no problem at 405ilvl
spice ferry
But my 400 1/9m, 600 warrior? Insta invite
umbral forge
Joined a +11 Siege and was told to keep tricks up on the tank.
Looking good bois
sick sentinel
Aren't you a priest?
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel wanna help gear up my rogue 8)
umbral forge
yes
oblique garnet
Its pretty late for gearing a rogue tho
sick sentinel
Rogues will always be good
We were gearing leeroy's rogue to leatherstack in oblivion
spice ferry
Takes like a week to gear and when hasn’t rogue been good
oblique garnet
It doesnt take even a week its really fast to gear up these days but cba playing sub
When outlaw will be shit next season
spice ferry
I was gunna do a rogue but I’ve decided to just get all tanks geared for next tier
All 6, minimum 48 neck, 410 or higher
And my main will have all 18 paragons banked
Gives me enough to do 😛
Plus there are a million rogues out there, you never need to wait to pug one
unborn island
I basically just add all of the passable rogues I play with as friends
spice ferry
^ that too
sick sentinel
I have 5 rogues in my mplus discord
they all vanish when my group is ready for keys
spice ferry
class fantasy
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Ok for you my friend ill gear up my rogue aswell 8)
autumn pendant
They might cock you with paragon chests
Same way they did back in legion
@spice ferry
Just letting you know 😶
spice ferry
They might
They might not
I don’t need gold
I don’t need rep
I do t need ap
I have nothing to lose, and something to gain so might as well
autumn pendant
Fair enough
strong forum
Kaege, if your community doesn't call you a retard 24/7 you aren't in a good community
sick sentinel
true
vital surge
which professions u prefer on the prot? any suggestions?
brisk ferry
alchemy and engineering are the only 2 that have an actual impact on tanking
hidden linden
I'd argue that blacksmithing will be good in 8.2
2 pieces of gear, 5 ilvl lower than mythic raids, but with a socket
vital surge
yeah i got thpughts about alchemie and blacksmithing but not sure 😄
oblique garnet
i have alchemy and bs
i had engineering for a while
the perks you gain from it are meh
honest frigate
Bres is really nice
oblique garnet
Ayy broke 20k sim on ST
pastel holly
would you use brace for impact or mellicious sheeming for myth+?
oblique garnet
meticulous
split hemlock
Im playing on leach, 8% without that waist
But not sure if worth to giveup that armor
oblique garnet
are you dropping ilvl for leech?
split hemlock
Only on rings atm
oblique garnet
why
split hemlock
Self heal
oblique garnet
how many ilvls are you dropping on rings ?
split hemlock
Im talking only for m+
oblique garnet
yes and?
split hemlock
Im using 2x 400 leach socked, got alot of rings on bag, 425 and couple 415
oblique garnet
so you have 425 rings in bag?
And youre not using it?
fucking nerfclap and his stupid ass leech build
its not good
dont drop ilvl for leech
for socket maybe but leech never
split hemlock
But its rings, you dont lose alot of stats, maybe some stamina, and if u check stats 400 with socked is more then 425
ornate ferry
Should I keep my 400 vail or switch it with 410 Barnicle?
oblique garnet
no barnacle is not good
ornate ferry
I figured but wanted to make sure
strong forum
@split hemlock leech is a meme, don't fall for it
strong forum
I would only consider it at the very max if its 5ilvl but still good stats
But in every case where I have leech I would have to drop 15ilvls or a socket. So that's no-go
split hemlock
So i shall swich siphoning ench
strong forum
Idk siphoning gives you like what, 1m overall on a dungeon
It's the closest thing that is viable, dropping ilvl isn't, enchant I consider is whatever
oblique garnet
siphoning 🤢
its doesnt give you anything like quick nav or deadly or any other enchant does
strong forum
Ya idk about enchants anymore tbh
You defo don't feel a difference
The only thing that's nice with leech is if at 10% and you have like 20 mobs, during Avatar you heal for 40-80k per singular clap
split hemlock
I can see alot of ppl using siphoning at top
strong forum
Cuz it doesn't make a huge difference loco
oblique garnet
also most of those people are idiots
strong forum
Leech only works if you have INSANELY huge pulls
split hemlock
I dont think u can call someone idiot who is on top
strong forum
It's garbage on small pulls
oblique garnet
I can
strong forum
Yes you very much can
oblique garnet
Im also there
strong forum
Like you can be 3.5k with literally every spec in the game, just need people willing to push you that far
Same goes for builds
Hence why there's no clear best azerite setup
Cuz it's very little difference
For prot warri that is
split hemlock
I see, makes sense
i wanna ask another thing
I dont find alch trinket so much usefull, which one will be good repleace
strong forum
Vial/anchor/block
All 3 are good
Anchor for overall dps
Vial for big claps during Avatar
Block for parry/critdeeps
Literally up to you
split hemlock
I see, thanks
vital surge
is the stone a solid pick if i am new and got no tinkets yet?
oblique garnet
yes
strong forum
Yss
sand condor
anyone wanna do an uldir mythic run
split hemlock
Got couple fingers, so just focus to haste
strong forum
Don't you have any 410s with haste?
split hemlock
I do
exotic spoke
I mean... 15 ilvls Of other stats
strong forum
Nop
exotic spoke
I’d use the 425 over the others
strong forum
That is bis
split hemlock
strong forum
I have exact same ring as your 415, but mine is 420 its literally bis
split hemlock
So 415 with avoidence>400 with gem leach?
strong forum
Use the 400
cuz socket
Although the avoidance is great aswell
So yeh, personal choice there
I would hate to equip anything lower than 415 so I'd go with that
But that's just a personal thing
stiff bear
but higher ilvl gives you a bigger penis, its a proven fact
jagged bay
hello have a nice weekend everyone!! 😃
empty inlet
primal sable
now thats some wasted luck
oblique garnet
Everytime you do underrot and forget to turn on fury lootspec that happens
without a fail
there is always one shitty sporepods titanforge
oblique garnet
kage stop depleting keys without me
sick sentinel
you can't root the tentacles
oblique garnet
oh i didnt tell you that yet?
sick sentinel
NO YOU DIDN;T
oblique garnet
Yikes
oblique garnet
my b XDD
sick sentinel
we timed the past 6 keys this week
oblique garnet
nono
before you could root the tentacles and they would do nothing
entangling roots
in last platform
oblique garnet
yes
exotic spoke
Missed a 21 ML last night by like 4 minutes or so
primal sable
what is this spaghetti code
sick sentinel
what you would do
is you would kill first demo
then you would root second demo
and ignore it
and you could blast gripping
shadow timber
Do we use ravager in m+
sand egret
annd here we go!
(no, don't use it)
(in fact, for the foreseen future, you won't ever switch that talent row off of AM)
shadow timber
Why did they use it in mdi?
sweet summit
need some help here, what is the best combination for m+? jes has a socket
unborn island
you're just showing off
unborn island
😛
sweet summit
:((
unborn island
Rezan by a mile, IDK what the other 425 is
sweet summit
yea, with l e e c h
oblique garnet
rezan and gore imo
oblique garnet
probably one of the chinese teams
sweet summit
so gore or jes? 🤔
oblique garnet
i honestly wouldnt know anyone from eu or na who would do that
unborn island
I use Rezan and Block at the moment, because I don't like on use and the crit is juicy
split hemlock
How much is important vers as prot warr?
unborn island
if I had a 425 Rezan I would stay using Rezan and block
it isn't specifically important
our best stat is ilvl
if it's the same ilvl prioritise haste
unborn island
what you really want
split hemlock
I swich gear to mostly max ilvl and alot of haste but im feeling like im taking a way to much dmg now
unborn island
is haste to cap, then leech, so get as many bloodsport traits as possible, and stack versatility
If you're taking too much damage that isn't a question of versatility, it's usually a playing issue
lucid bough
unborn island
what's your ilvl
split hemlock
418equip
unborn island
418 equipped with a lot of haste, you should be invincible even with 0 vers
what content are you doing? Mythic Un'nat?
split hemlock
Im tanking only M+
honest frigate
I would run Jes
split hemlock
for raids im fury so i dont care about stats in raid
Let me show you stats, 1second
unborn island
if you feel like you're taking too much damage, you must be doing like 20+ with that gear, so i'm not the right person to ask
honest frigate
Jes is strong not for the vers it gives you but for the vers it gives your party members for a dps gain
sand egret
if you feel like you're taking too much damage in that gear, it's not a gear thing.
unborn island
9 times out of 10 with warriors stats aren't the problem, and it's playing
split hemlock
I did before tanking 20 with leach gear and with less haste and ilvl and didnt feel like paper, i try now FH17 with new gear, maybe it was because disc priest but i feel like i drop hp so quick
sand egret
also know that feel will vary drastically every other week
each key level up there x fort is going to swing that feel drastically week to week
split hemlock
unborn island
I have way worse gear than you, and I did a 17 freehold yesterday without feeling at risk at any point, perhaps it was the healer, or perhaps back hits/something like that
unborn island
maybe the mobs were standing in the buff if it was captains?
split hemlock
Can be because disc priest
sand egret
if your hp drops quick, I still don't see how that's a healer thing. Their job is to fill it up
your job is to make it not drop fast
unborn island
I mean, in freehold on a 17 the healer should be nearly irrelevant
if people aren't interrupting casters etc they can hurt
split hemlock
Its not same with rdudu and disc
unborn island
or, tbh, if it was on trash
it was maybe because of lots of bursting during the middle of packs, if you were pulling big (as you do in freehold)
sand egret
rdudu smooths it, sure but a good rdudu is in cat form anyway
for the same reason
because you're doing your job of making your hp not drop fast
unborn island
IDK how disc deals with bursting
split hemlock
But u gonna have hots, maybe even prehot
sand egret
and a disc can dps and heal in the same rate, bursting could be the factor
unborn island
😛
sand egret
hots can cover up poor mitigation since you can buffer the slow crawl, but I'd be a bit more introspective first
not saying it isn't a combination, but it helps to look inward first. From my experience, it's usually where the problem starts 😃
unborn island
I mean, based on your M+ experience if you're tanking 20s you probably have more experience than me, but I know the game mechanically incredibly well, and I wouldn't have thought your gear is the issue, could be the affixes, healer, or your own play
sand egret
WoW players are quick to blame stats etc. to cover up user-error
cuz you got people literally doing that same dungeon....with no armor on
=0
open bluff
who needs armor when you have a shield 
sand egret
there was a clip in here a while back of naowd or something doign it with only azerite + shield + jewelery
sand egret
it was a bit of a clickbait thing, but when he was mitigating properly
he was tanking it
oblique garnet
with like 225 trinket
sand egret
just had to fuck off when he had gaps (obvi) but it was definitely not-your-optimal-setup haha
lusty grotto
It'sa me, chef nimchip
sand egret
/facepalm
oblique garnet
nim stop
unborn island
I guess when you have the DPS he's running with, then the mobs blow up quite fast
lusty grotto
Mario isn't even 1st Gen Italian
oblique garnet
maybe sal could help with that
lusty grotto
😢
outer dew
nah, always get warned when i'm in this channel when sal is here
oblique garnet
i miss the santa nimchip
outer dew
would rather not risk that