fort is an affix
#protection
wispy plume
engi helm any good?
lusty grotto
those are the 2 that basically interact with reaping
distant crystal
it's ok if you don't have a bom helm
wispy plume
thinking about grabbing engi just to build it (recently coming back)
distant crystal
i personally wouldn't pick engi for a protwarr
the brez is cumbersome for a tank
lusty grotto
please stop
distant crystal
no
lusty grotto
engi is amazing for prot
distant crystal
it's meh
lusty grotto
don't listen to waat
winter aspen
So do you sim for m+ dps or feelycraft it ?
wispy plume
lol
lusty grotto
i don't sim for M+ at all
distant crystal
JC BS life
lusty grotto
except on very specific trinket situations
warm plinth
Those affixes aren't affecting reaping though; what they affect is totally exclusive from reaping.
distant crystal
not if you're a patron though ๐
undone sun
wrong
clever fog
skittish "affects" reaping only bc it actually affects tank threat not mob threat generation
undone sun
also you arent
lusty grotto
correct caedus
clever fog
only affixes that affect players actually "affect" reaping
lusty grotto
i should have made that clear
clever fog
@warm plinth you are correct i simmed for TC a@100% uptime
warm plinth
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22824893/hotfixes-march-13-2019 Scroll down to January 22.
lusty grotto
i thought it would be implied as much
warm plinth
THYME I'M SORRY
undone sun
๐
warm plinth
I didn't think it would do a preview if I had a picture with it lol
undone sun
the more you know
warm plinth
Not for me. I know so much shit and I'm at least 75% a bad player
lusty grotto
๐ค
paper pasture
so im told theres a way to pull jes howlis through the gate as a prot warrior
mental scarab
Booty clap
small flicker
whats good for survival? i can link one up to a last stand macro and the other is just sustain
ionic fern
I'd use diamond/Gore.
In general last stand is enough of a CD on its own (With bolster Talented) and doesn't need anything "on top of it".
stoic pilot
Doesnโt fortified pseudo effect reaping due to reaping being a % health of the mob
And fortified increased that?
willow scarab
Why does it feel like it affects it
ionic fern
The only thing that affects reaping mob health is the keystone level since that increases the "base" health of them
willow scarab
I havenโt timed a key this whole reset what do I know anyway
ionic fern
Feels bad.
orchid token
I wonder how the TC root pvp essence will feel in practise
ionic fern
Will DR after 2 casts. ๐
versed widget
Hey is the engi helm any good? Or would any other 415 with bastion be better
ionic fern
Yeah, it doesn't now but i doubt they'd make it go live like that.
In PvE scenarios.
So you're just chilling there popping Avatar and being "immune" to physical damage for 20s cause you know..root them every 1s for 1s
Sounds dumb but looking at blizzards decision making from time to time..maybe. ๐คท
ionic fern
Cause it's dumb in this specific scenario.
But as i said - wouldn't be surprised if it went through like this.
oblique garnet
Theres no reason it wouldnt go through as it is
because the pvp talent is mediocre
its not like it breaks the game
orchid token
You're already immortal during avatar so it doesn't really change anything
And it's a major essence power so it's value is evaluated in context of what you would give up to get it. It's good in a vacuum but maybe vision of perfection or one of the others has more value still
ionic fern
Wonder how fast they'll quit.
It'll be great for Necrotic weeks tho. 
But gotta wait and see since it's still early.
oblique garnet
Doubt it even will be worth going for
ionic fern
Compared to all the other ones probably not.
But it'd still be fun to test things out.
orchid token
I think only the brewmaster one would be worth going for amongst the tanks
Since DPS is their weak point and hot trub is a bunch of DPS
oblique garnet
Idk i think the guardian one for st would be good
ionic fern
What's the guardian one?
oblique garnet
the maul pvp talent
oblique garnet
25% thrash and swipe iirc
ionic fern
"Maul increases the damage done by your Swipe and Thrash by 25% for 6 sec."
That does sound pretty good.
Wonder what their ST will end up on after the buff they got to it as well.
If only we had someone from DG here.. @undone sun
outer dew
Unless they buff maul and make it generate rage or give defensive value
Maul will literally assasinatie you if you die
And if you going for big parse, you kitty weave anyway
ionic fern
I should give bear a try. ๐ค
digital delta
So ive loot the uunat trink at 425 but do idk what would be a better combo 405 rezan/415 opu trink 405 rezan/425 uunat trink or 415 opu trink/425 uunat trink
ionic fern
Yes, but you smart boye Thyme.
undone sun
was just pinging you because you were apart of the conversation @outer dew
also there's another tweet from faide following the one i linked
oblique garnet
Whos that?
undone sun
main guardian TC and fellow mod in DG
oblique garnet
So nobody 8)
undone sun
๐
outer dew
That's toxic
This why we say you're the most toxic one late
Every word oozes toxicity
oblique garnet
Gotta keep my rep up
Also the layering thats in classic can be exploited so easily
I invited people into group got put into different layer with them
10/10 design
honest frigate
@digital delta 1: im jealous, 2: run 415/425
digital delta
I mean, would rather have the lurker 425 yknow
brittle owl
i'd use lurker + opu/rezan in that case
or lurker+ idol and just keep idol for the heal
depending on content level
lurker is insanely good
digital delta
Ok, the big heal on a 1m cd seemed good to me aswell but depends on affix i guess
Its only for m+ btw
brittle owl
yeah, pm
it's up to you to decide wether opu or idol is better defensively
they both have merits
lime mantle
Depends
oblique garnet
Lurker this week in m+ is not good
lime mantle
They do dramatically different things Texan and Opu
digital delta
Ye i guess this week rezan+opu is generally the safest pick
bold linden
what you guys prefer in m+ this week: 410 butcher + opu 400 or 395 rezan + opu 400
usually im running butcher + rezan but i need opu this week to help my healer
mortal brook
Ilvl
warm plinth
Uhh...tbh I'd still do block and rezan... Diamond wouldn't even absorb one stack of bursting.
It's not even going to be noticeable to your healer whether you wear it or not as far as bursting goes.
mortal brook
If youre not chain pulling, spam mage food after combat. Much more helpful
warm plinth
^
bold linden
ok thanks i'll stay block & rezan than and test it xD
oblique garnet
If you die blame the healer
warm plinth
That's what I do ๐
mortal brook
Glgl. Bursting rough on mana, just watch their pool. Proper pacing for bursting is stronk
bold linden
lol she's my wife i wouldnt dare ^^
warm plinth
Oh shhh
mortal brook
The MAIN tank
warm plinth
Tough luck
oblique garnet
If you cant blame your wife can you really call yourself married
warm plinth
lol
bold linden
lol :p
oblique garnet
1 week later โSo uhh guys my wife kicked me outโ -Fuersgrobe probably
bold linden
guess i started something totally wrong with my statement... ๐
mortal brook
Turns out it IS skittish week for this tank
bold linden
well nothing less i guess xD
mortal brook
:D
oblique garnet
You kinda need a rogue for keys this week
If you have idiots who pull instead of you
mortal brook
They have to out deeps you first tho. Just get stampy
oblique garnet
It just some packs where i dont have avatar are kinda tricky
mortal brook
Do they not assist your target and wait on 5 sunders? Asking for trouble
oblique garnet
Nono i have these trigger happy dps players
Which is good
If they die before i get aggro back its more dps for me
hidden axle
yo coz so its my first day back since clearing first raid at launch.. i assume everyones got the latest raid on farm mode??
oblique garnet
you mean crucible or bod?
hidden axle
crucible is the latest raid right?
hidden axle
ah ok dope
near ivy
crucible only gets farmed on heroic
mythic crucible has possibly the hardest fight ever implemented into the game
sick sentinel
Wait until essenses and we'll blast it
sick sentinel
No star it's different
There will be a point in time
Where we will still be capped at 425 ilvl
But we will have essenses
near ivy
already have 425 idol ezclap
gonna be interesting to see how high m+ gets pushed
because with essences we will have the dps to fucking blast
but nobody has the hp pool since ilvl wont go up
like, we probably have the dps for a freehold 30 with essences
but good luck living first boss / eudora on tyrannical 30
brittle owl
you use tha %reduction essence for that
unless its locked for only tanks
essences would give more answers for high damage
unkempt pilot
How much haste, krit, mastery and versalitiy I need
unkempt pilot
Tank
unkempt pilot
I am new and do not know my way around
unkempt pilot
@digital delta you speak german
digital delta
No
spice ferry
digital delta
Im dutch wdym
unkempt pilot
Okey
unborn island
with 5x prot...would reaping waves live long enough to stack up the dot on anyone? ๐
woeful crag
Hey guys sorry can't find anywhere where it tells me my good trinkets. Just got this from emmisary, anyone know if its any good? 395 ilvl: https://www.wowhead.com/item=165665/ritual-feather-of-unng-ak&bonus=0:1537#comments
unborn island
It is quite good for M+ - quadruple BoM ๐
depends what other trinkets you have, that is
woeful crag
Currently I have idol at 380 and https://www.wowhead.com/item=159618/mchimbas-ritual-bandages at 395. I find the bandages not very useful but the idol is great. shame about its ilv
unborn island
I'd use the feather
Mchimbas is basically toilet tier
idol is better I believe
I got a 425 Mchimbas from my weekly chest ๐ฆ
oblique garnet
@unborn island Yes we have done 5x prot
and yes basically atleast one person will die during reaping
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet my guild did 4prot 1mw dungeons
One guy streamed it
All 4 were alts as well
Only 1 of them knew how to play
oblique garnet
yikes
unborn island
Really weird side question, for those of you who qualified for proving grounds
once you're qualified with a group
can you only group with that group on proving grounds
or could you theoretically pug?
unborn island
(basically i think qualifying is easy, but I don't have a regular group)
oblique garnet
you have to qualify with same 5 people
unborn island
I'd like to get in to mess around, and think i can put together 5 guys to do that
but thereafter might not be available at same time etc
sounds interesting ๐
solar delta
If the 2 pieces of 415 Azerite I bought dont have Baston traits on either it wouldn't be worth it to maybe use a 405 in one of their places that has Bast/Defeaning right?'\
trim hamlet
mainhand weapon 405 with socket or 410 ?
upper spoke
410
willow scarab
depends what the weapons are
strong forum
@solar delta no, only if you don't have DC
sick sentinel
lmao
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel i mean in s1 i got the 385 titanforged rezan with socket also on my dk
hidden linden
The games tries to tell you something
oblique garnet
yeah its telling me rezans is overrated
unborn island
BDK new meta confirmed
weary veldt
anyone notice on PTR that bastion doesnt stack when it comes from vision of perfection avatar?
vision of perfection
normal
not sure if intended or not
unborn island
I thought that on-trigger stuff like bastion was not going to be triggered on vision procs
can't remember where i read it, so might be wrong
that seems weird though, i'd have thought it would either be full stacks or 0 stacks
weary veldt
same i made a bug report
rose moat
Guess we got fucked over
weary veldt
bronze>silver>gold>endless
sudden kayak
kk ty
weary veldt
i wanted mass spell reflect ffs
weary veldt
i mean yea morale killer and to an extent mass spell reflect are kinda hard to balance around tho
rose moat
We dont need balacing we are fine were it is
weary veldt
but druids got the buffbot triats anyways
my point being 10% less dmg for 15+ secs or 30% less spell damage is like actually really OP
especially on such short CDs
weary veldt
lol
ppl hating on the hunter one, but its actually pretty good depending on the raid
ebon hound
the pvp talents turned pve are far from final
unborn island
Is
ebon hound
pretty much just placeholder atm
weary veldt
like if there was that in TOS, hunter would have been god tier
99% immune on 30 sec CD
OP as shit
worthy dagger
master commander pvp is gonna be broken for raids
lime mantle
Honestly thinking essences is a waste of time until they are live
exotic spoke
Morale killer would be op as shit for raids.
But I agree with Danie
astral crystal
you can do that in 8.2 BRO
exotic spoke
Before 8.2
And yeah I know I can. Just want to push now and then see what happens after when we continue to push
neon tangle
You never know, 2500io might be a lot harder next season
paper holly
Hey guys, is it best to tank galvazzt in tyrannical TOS in mid ?
exotic spoke
I always tank him in the corner
exotic spoke
Oof thatโs a low blow
paper holly
@exotic spoke i used to do that but they fixed it. Pillars now overwhelm you if u tank him in a corner
exotic spoke
How do they overwhelm and when did they change it?
ebon hound
does it matter where you tank him? just communicate ๐คท
paper holly
just looking for the easiest way
exotic spoke
I mean the reason we use the corner is so that we only have to cover about 120 degrees instead of spreading out more
ebon hound
I find it harder to coordinate who soaks what when i do it in the corner so i just keep it center
exotic spoke
But, again, how do you get overwhelmed and when did they implement this change
Iโm assuming youโre on voice commms when I suggest the corner
sand egret
The distinction here, as I found out the other day, is that there seems to be a pillar spawn location somewhat closer to that corner. So you really need to be up in that shit and not half-ass it or else it basically spawns inside the guy
paper holly
im not sure when, but that was my experience recently. Earlier i used to do it fine
sand egret
did it twice, one kinda-sorta over there and I totally saw some weird spawns
put him really far into it and it was totally fine
purely anecdotal, mind you
exotic spoke
Hrmm interesting blade. Any idea when it happened? Also - basically running 4 melee (cat weaving Druid) so we tend to be up in his grill
sand egret
if you're basically wedged back in there you're fine
paper holly
Yeah think ill stick to center then
sand egret
basically not standing on the light blue ground
paper holly
Alright
exotic spoke
It honestly depends on how good your healer is
paper holly
Cheers mate
exotic spoke
Welcome - good luck
paper holly
Thanks.
exotic spoke
Btw this week... mother lode 21. Any advice as to how much liquor I should buy before hand?
So I can numb the pain
We just have shit runs there
sturdy sable
Atleast a 26
unborn island
getting squashed by the last 2 bosses will need something to take the edge off
exotic spoke
Pretty much. We have shit luck on bosses three and four
unborn island
which last section? The deathrun section?
exotic spoke
Youโre not wrong
But the fact that people death run to those two bosses should say something
exotic spoke
My group has issues and I donโt know what the fuck were doing wrong
Primarily we struggle with high siege, KR, and mother lode
unborn island
is it because
those are the hardest dungeons?
I don't actually know why siege is difficult
like
there's nothing really in there which is hard
but just, every time, groups struggle
guess there's a lot of trash to chew through
exotic spoke
Are you alliance or horde loosecannon?
sand egret
SoB has particular pain points depending on Tyr/Fort that make it annoying as fuck once it scales up to a certain point. KR is just generally tuned higher due to being pretty linear with very little overall trash. Motherlode is the complete opposite where it's just a slog. The fact deathruns are an assumed option is kinda the point
winter aspen
Siege timer is disgusting yeah
exotic spoke
Oh... hereโs a fucking unskippable RP that only effects alliance while the horde can just keep going
sand egret
which part?
exotic spoke
Also, the differences between trash and bosses depending on what faction you play is fucking stupid too
After third boss before the kraken
Itโs like 10-15 seconds of just waiting
winter aspen
When the fat bih is talking ?
exotic spoke
Yes
sand egret
1st boss horde-side I just see so much fail
exotic spoke
donโt you run in and through him for horde?
sand egret
you should
the amount of times I see melee dps get recked by the tempest regardless is hilarious
exotic spoke
Also, the trash is different I believe as well. Especially before first boss
sand egret
ally has the firebombers right
exotic spoke
Yeah and hounds
sand egret
yeah....
exotic spoke
I donโt know if horde has either
sand egret
unless i'm really losing it, pretty sure we don't have either
exotic spoke
Pack masters?
exotic spoke
Probably not if you donโt have hounds
neon tangle
Dunno what that is either
sand egret
yeah that's ally only
exotic spoke
Ambushers?
sand egret
i'm remembering now doing it back in 8.0
exotic spoke
Did siege last week. Killed the packmaster first....
Great.... now the hound wonโt leave his body and is in a sanguine pool. Fuck, guess we go on and come back to kill it once sanguine is gone
exotic spoke
Lol we went to kill itnso our Druid could grab mana rq with fish feast + mage food
stoic pilot
If you can hold out until reap heโll follow his spirit packmaster over to you
Thought that was funny
exotic spoke
Wasnโt aware of that but Iโll keep that in mind.
I mean it only matters on sanguine weeks but we didnโt know it
unborn island
@exotic spoke I'm alliance - I know there's a couple nasty packs at the start, but they aren't that bad
exotic spoke
True, my complaint is the disparity between factions and primarily the design of the dungeon which at certain times practically requires using spotters
potent anvil
Theres a packmaster+hound trash for horde but its pretty much out of your way to go and kill it. So its just skipped.
steel vessel
how many ilvls is socket worth?
unborn island
I dunno, I always just found that people derp like crazy in siege
the first few times I tried doing it on 15
I shit you not, in both groups, the healer failed the jump at the start repeatedly
and then fucking left the group
next time a paladin runs round the top while the rest of the group jumps
admittedly I didn't notice this
then when we're doing the hound trash a fucking army comes in and buttrapes us
tried it with a 2k druid healer, thinking 'this will definitely be a good group'
healer dies to running in front of smash on first boss
then dies to the hook
I mean, I haven't always been faultless, but christ
sweet kettle
What jump in siege?
sand egret
it's an alliance thing
they "start" in a different area, basically above where Horde stats, so the common strat is to just jump down onto that dock. However, that water be treacherous.
sweet kettle
Lol alliance
sand egret
water walking OP
hidden linden
Water Walking, leaps, slow falls, wild charge, disengage
There are countless ways to do it
steep moss
also lots of ppl don't know the root cheese on last boss
steep moss
on last platform u can kill first demo and if u root the second it doesnt do the aoe slam that only happens when no tank
way more time to kill gripping, really good for tyr
steep moss
if ur druid can listen its really relax
lusty grotto
Ayo
Using spotters on bursting week oof
Riki y u do dis
Oh you said last week my b
last mason
Is bloodsport objectively bad, or is it fine if I have to take it
On soulspun casque
Or should I just run engine helm
Engi*
sand egret
it's...fine if you have to take it....it doesn't like make your character worse...
it's not bad, there are just better prot options if you have the choice.
worse =/= bad
analog swift
Even for magic heavy dungeons ala Shrine
?
been running double iron fortress last two weeks which isn't bad
sand egret
"magic heavy" dungeons are still majority auto attacks
willow scarab
Yes you should just use engi helm
Shrine isn't magic heavy if you do it properly
It's only magic happy if kicks are bad
last mason
Also would it be a noob trap to use the crucible tank trink regularly in m+ if I put and donโt know the healer
For reference I also have a 410 rezan and a 420 vial with leech
willow scarab
knowing the healer has nothing to do with anything
annoyed that a player with a 420 vial has to ask that question
last mason
I guess trusting them* idk, the heal is big
willow scarab
You use the vial + rezan btw.
Unless you're unsure of your abilities as a prot warrior
Then you use idol + whichever you like better out of vial and rezans
last mason
Do you macro vial to anything
willow scarab
Yes, avatar
1m30s cd, avatar is 45s if played correctly so you get it every 2 avatars
strong forum
If you have rage + vial you have 1 of em always up for Avatar
last mason
Wait wtf the Druid ones are broken
Compared to like, the arms one which is a joke basically
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet I changed my traits
oblique garnet
Nice
willow scarab
thunderclap root is alraedy in pvp it's annoying, not good
your azerite is weird
3x bom 3x dc or 2x bom 1x dc 3x TC
what is this build
Also I wondered why my logs sucked all night and surprise i was in my 3x bom 3x dc gear instead of my tc gear all night ๐
sand egret
eh, you can't really compare it to PvP, seeing as mobs in PvE don't DR on the root. It's actually the ideal tool if there ever was a situation that you need to tank cc-able mobs, but actually don't want them hitting you.
very niche essence, but potentially powerful for the right use-case.
exotic spoke
Itโs one second though
glacial flint
can i avoid the knock-up from TD first boss as protW ? or what i should do?
sick sentinel
you can with HC leap
glacial flint
how do i time that
sick sentinel
I just shield wall it ๐คท
tulip quail
Sup. quick question, just for survivability, Shield crist vers 400 vs shield 395 haste mast
exotic spoke
No
exotic spoke
Ilvl is more important
sick sentinel
I will hit you with the
exotic spoke
He has a small write up heโs sending
sick sentinel
@tulip quail check pms
lusty grotto
Kaegebot
sick sentinel
hey i just started playing prot used to be fury and i have no clue what am doing
tulip quail
ty for your help guys!
sick sentinel
check icy veins
lusty grotto
#268491842637660160 icy veins guide
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel
oh ok
after you have more questions after this then come back here
empty inlet
@glacial flint get a weak aura for the tol boss ๐
sick sentinel
No idea what you are doing as prot? Press shield block press thunderclap ez
sand egret
insightful
rapid jewel
have someone tried a dagger build with 3x Reckless flurry + 3x brace for impact + devastator and heavy repercussion for single target?
ebon hound
dont forget Gale-Force Striking ๐
sick sentinel
you can't use revenge with a dagger
rapid jewel
I know you cant use revenge with a dagger, but revenge hits like a wet noodle single target anyway
sick sentinel
and it has a lot less weapon damage
willow scarab
Do you mean a dagger weapon or dagger in the back trait
I don't think any RF BFI DitB pieces exist
let alone 3 415 ones
sick sentinel
dagger weapon
old zephyr
Revenge trigger Slam proc
sick sentinel
faster attackspeed
old zephyr
In addition to devastator
sick sentinel
but yeah
sand egret
๐ค but y doe
warm plinth
Another meme build
Though this one doesn't actually exist; they just asked about the hypotheticals of it
rapid jewel
yeah revenge does trigger slam, but also does the dagger with a swingtime of 1.4. There are pieces out there, opu crown, gronk shoulders + dungeon brest.
warm plinth
He was referring to an impossible piece when he said the pieces weren't available.
he thought you meant the Dagger in the Back trait, not an actual dagger weapon
rapid jewel
ah ok
steady slate
is there a damage mitigation set of azerite for dungeons or just the 1 x DC, 3 x BoM build i've been working towards?
winter aspen
1x DC 2X IF for physical I think
warm plinth
1x DC 3x BoM is a very strong set of mitigation traits for M+
Most of the damage is blockable and Bastion drastically increases crit block chance
winter aspen
3x BoM is something you dont switch out
sick sentinel
And then 2xif yeah
steady slate
well, i'm not there yet. i have 2 bom
winter aspen
btw for dps with 3 bom do you drop mastery from gear for crit ?
sick sentinel
2 bom is fine if you are an engineer
winter aspen
or haste
sick sentinel
With 3BoM you want 0 vers and 0 mastery
steady slate
why is it fine kaege?
sick sentinel
Ideally
warm plinth
I don't even think about stats unless it's similar ilevel. But haste/crit are the best stats for M+ damage
winter aspen
is vers trash ?
sick sentinel
@steady slate because engineering helmet has gismo
steady slate
oh! i forgot about that
sick sentinel
Not trash @winter aspen all stats are good
steady slate
i went engineer so i could battle rez people
warm plinth
No stat is trash. Haste and crit are just better for damage in M+.
steady slate
it's not as effective as i'd hoped
warm plinth
Mastery is actually probably the worst damage stat for most people (compared to other stats, not saying it's bad); bastion just provides an absolute fuckton of it during our highest damage windows.
sick sentinel
It's pretty effective is you're not the tank ๐คฃ
steady slate
yeah
winter aspen
yeah 3xBoM is like 30% mast for me
steady slate
bloodmallet shows grong's primal rage as our #1 trinket, and i have one at 390. i've been using it right after i avatar>TC>grong. is that correct or should i use it differently
sick sentinel
That's literally the worst way to use that trinket
warm plinth
Bloodmallet isn't an ideal resource.
steady slate
so what's the right way to use it?
sick sentinel
First of all it's bad in of itself
warm plinth
It sims things in a vacuum
steady slate
it's all i really have to go on
sick sentinel
You use grongs trinket when avatar is down
And demo shout is down
As neither of them boost it's damage
steady slate
oh. i thought avatar would make it hit harder
sick sentinel
It would
warm plinth
Both of our damage increase abilities are whitelisted, which means they only affect our specific class/spec abilities.
steady slate
ok. i guess i'm still thinking the old way.
warm plinth
It's a common mistake tbh
sick sentinel
Because of things like draught of souls
steady slate
my other choice is ritual feather of something
sick sentinel
It has been like that for 14 years
steady slate
it adds mastery
sick sentinel
Ritual feather is big
warm plinth
Ritual feather is good
sick sentinel
One min cd is amazing
sand egret
basically another BoM tbh
steady slate
i swapped that back in last night because it's easy to line up with avatar and doesn't take my attacks away. that was annoying. it felt like using nelthion's fury again
warm plinth
RIP Neltharion's Fury ๐ข
steady slate
i would have liked it much more if we weren't tied down when we used it. thematically i understood why, but it was a pain to work around
warm plinth
Eh, the beauty of NF was that you used it at times where you needed the crit block, so you could easily plan for it
sand egret
meh, it's primary use is to guarantee crit blocks, which you're generally not moving during moments when you really want to...
steady slate
i tended to use it when i had gaps in shield block or wanted to get back to 2 charges
i use last stand that way now
warm plinth
Yeah, that was a good reason to use it as well. But again, you could plan for that. I don't really miss it necessarily but I didn't mind having it. Got some good block memes out of it
steady slate
i really liked the animation. i do miss that
so for trinks, i should use that feather one and my 380 butcher's block from season 1, right? my only other option is grong's rage
winter aspen
and it had a cool ani
steady slate
well, at least i like those two, although manor with sanguine is a pain
steady slate
yeah, i know. just saying
i don't recall it being broken
i've been busy with school, work, and house buying, so i'm WAY out of the loop
sick sentinel
Don't worry about it
Real life should always be prio over wow
(I feel like if I say that enough eventually I can apply it myself as well but yeah)
steady slate
i tanked an underrot 11 to a +2 last night, with 7 seconds left. i felt quite proud of that
i had one pretty bad pull, where i messed up, but otherwise it was smooth.
i didn't plan the reapings very well either, just kind of dealt with them whenever they came up
steady slate
i know ion's said he doesn't like the reaping affix, but i like it a lot more than infested
yeah, we got at least one reaping in there
sand egret
They didn't like reaping because it didn't pan out to have the effect they wanted
aka it wasn't scary enough
steady slate
they probably didn't like night elves being able to skip it either
lavish oracle
I think sometimes blizzard forgets that difficulty doesn't always translate to fun
sand egret
the fact that people chain it onto bosses without a thought is kinda the example
steady slate
that's true @lavish oracle
sand egret
but they do understand that the nature of padding is a good thing
sick sentinel
We did underrot with both skeleton packs AND reaping
sand egret
so saying "he doesn't like reaping" is a little stretch
sick sentinel
And it was fine
steady slate
oh. i never do that. i always deal with reaping first, just to minimize the chances for things to go way wrong
sand egret
it was more not-as-successful-as-they'd-intended thing
steady slate
i wasn't precise enough, but he was disappointed in its implementation
lavish oracle
Do we have any more information on next season's affix? I heard rumors it'd be a mob that pulses AoE damage but I can't confirm the information anywhere
steady slate
maybe not, but what they gave us was something fun
sand egret
yeah it was meant to be a defining moment of the dungeon but it really became just pad for the next pack
nothing yet Az
nothing official at least
steady slate
maybe they should have tuned the mobs to hit harder, or have more health, or reduce the time between the purple circles on the ground and their effects
sand egret
things we know are the name, and that its more geared towards "single target"
steady slate
but the affix itself is fun
sand egret
the problem with the affix is that it's pretty non-threatening since the big threat is just "dispel on cooldown"
steady slate
i normally run with a shaman, so earth ele usually eats the bad stuff
sand egret
you don't really engage to much the fix, which is kinda a bit of the failure
lavish oracle
Yeah, and the fact that Monks, Prot, and DH are all meta right now just means people AoE stun the hell out of caster heavy reapings
steady slate
yeah, but it's fun to have those "omg look at the huge numbers!" moments that large compact trash packs provide
rapid jewel
It doesn't have to be life threatening. It does a good job in adding time needed to clear and a fun way at that.
trail whale
it doens't have to be life threatening but it didn't need to be an absolute joke either
trail whale
if you play it right it reduces time in some dungeons actually
sick sentinel
^^
lavish oracle
Eh, with DK sure
steady slate
it isn't a total joke either. i've died on reaping more than a few times. all it really takes is one to go off when i'm full up on grievous and still dealing with a trash pack
lavish oracle
Oh, hm, didn't realize it was a big boost for rogues
trail whale
it is 100% a total joke
lavish oracle
I used to die to reaping pivots but I can pretty much count the number of times I've been hit with a smash since they patched it on one hand
sand egret
the point is that they wanted to be more threatening. To which degree, we don't know.
lavish oracle
Even if it is super easy, at least it's engaging
steady slate
@lavish oracle i didn't realize rogues got big boosts from aoe to their ST either. i'll start taking that into account
sick sentinel
infested had me changing routes every week
now I have a standard route for every single dungeon
trail whale
if infested was "this mob with infested hits much harder" instead of "this mob makes mobs around it immune to everything" it would have been better in my mind
but idk how well it would have worked out in practice
steady slate
underrot 10 with infested and a group that couldn't deal with the worm spawns was soul-scarring.
sick sentinel
I mean the idea was nice
steady slate
we had something like 290 deaths
sick sentinel
I really like infested underrot for example
because of what you could do with CC
Hi, how are this week affixes for pushing?
modern brook
good
olive merlin
I really don't care much for the stack and burn aoe model.. after you get over the oh shiny big numbers feeling, it's just a dumb hack and slash
empty inlet
Last week was better FeelsBadMan
sick sentinel
But do not we die with big pulls? We cant make like... 5mobs top or how is it?
sick sentinel
And how do we survive 12 mobs? 
empty inlet
Find a better healer
sick sentinel
What is good healer for bursting, class speaking?
steady slate
from my limited experience @sick sentinel , not discipline
exotic spoke
This week feels super easy.
Focus down a couple and cleave onto the rest. wait for stack to drop
Repeat
Bursting at 3-4 isnโt bad
sick sentinel
Need little bit of cooperation in grp and do not look too much on dmg meter i guess
Evrbd usuely Burns everything no matter stacks ๐
exotic spoke
This is a dps affix. If you donโt have dps that pay attention - feelsbadman
sand egret
this week is aids or a joke and is ultimately up to your dps to decide it
oblique garnet
100% healer affix
sand egret
you're a healer affix
exotic spoke
That said, after catching up on the last hour or two of this channel - reaping feels like zero threat, just bring it in with the next pull an sidestep shit
sick sentinel
LMAO
exotic spoke
Rip
oblique garnet
they did not like me pulling 4 packs
sand egret
I did a key last night where we had 5 stacks of bursting....everyone was low but was going to survive....and I see this mofo Frost Mage just shoot a fat fucking GS at a mob and chunk it....refreshing and wiping the group
like brehhhh
sand egret
i'll be farming that shit next expac
exotic spoke
Higher difficulty should have a higher chance of dropping it imo
trail whale
you know normally i kinda like frost mages chunking shit with glacial spike :/ excpet on burstin. and on the stupid 2nd boss of atal
exotic spoke
I got the UR mount
oblique garnet
my guilds shadow priests are happy about it
trail whale
when they randomly GS a totem at 60%
oblique garnet
because they just want to farm fh for gear and ill always be up to do one
exotic spoke
I did that in TD for a bit to get a good howler for raid
Stopped caring when I got a 415 socketed
Loot this week. In 6 bosses of mythic BoD we got 11 425 pieces
steady slate
i'm still trying to get jaina down on heroic
we got her once for aotc when i was on my shaman, but my guild has zero interest in going back through heroic bod
cobalt trellis
m+ trinkets: opu 415, block 405 and 410 vial.... i'd go for vial and opu?
lavish oracle
Vial and Opulence are solid, yeah
exotic spoke
If it was necrotic Iโd use vial and block
open bluff
I would use vial and block regardless unless you absolutely need the extra cushion from prism
exotic spoke
Given he just came back I feel he probably thinks he does.
oblique garnet
pog did 20k st on sharkboss
fickle geode
What's the best loa for a zandalari troll war? Tanking raids and M+
winter aspen
Gonk
sick sentinel
paku
wdym
I need to hang around here more to find me some EU ally protties ๐
imagine being alliance btw
distant crystal
imagine not having stoneform
lusty grotto
๐
sand egret
๐ข ๐ข ๐ข
lusty grotto
Having played my alliance rogue quite a bit, I will say f alliance
Especially in m+ pugs yuck
sand egret
but only for UR +9
sand egret
did i tell ya i was questing the other day and I saw one of our pals in general saying some....non-pal stuff... haha
lusty grotto
Was it the dh
sand egret
Yeppp
distant crystal
was the naga quest involved in that ss
exotic spoke
I mean why wouldnโt you want to be a dwarf amirite?
Im going to be it was Avatar and maybe a mastery trinket
distant crystal
yeah i think lurkers + 3x bom + naga quest
unless he just has a ton of mastery on gear
oblique garnet
it was lurkers and avatar
exotic spoke
Yup thatโs what I thought.
Gotta remember triple BoM gives like what 1950 mastery?
oblique garnet
yh smth like that
exotic spoke
Plus base mastery which is probably close to 700?
exotic spoke
BoM is bae
exotic spoke
You either have a fuck ton more mastery on your gear or Naga quest
Iโm going with Naga
distant crystal
1051 on gear
no naga
that's also using 2 on use trinkets stacked though
for the AP cheese
acoustic drum
Hello everyone, Can anyone give me a hand about Protection warriors about Azerite traits and so on? Would love your Help ๐
distant crystal
lurkers, then when the other on use is off cd use vial + avatar + screenshot :p
exotic spoke
@acoustic drum what did you have questions about? Mostly the icyveins guide is really good about them
acoustic drum
I`m curious about Do the azerite traits stack For example Deafening strikes, and wich ones should i focus most for Mythic + And raids
exotic spoke
Iโd advise reading the guide because thatโs covered :pins:
Mostly same ones
sand egret
the guides cover all of that ๐
exotic spoke
Check the pins then was the more I couldnโt use
acoustic drum
what pins? Im new to discord ..
distant crystal
hit that little pushpin icon top right
acoustic drum
thx
distant crystal
exotic spoke
Under the guides / resources / FAQ
Itโll do a better job than a quick summary by any of us here is the only reason why we say that
distant crystal
so i wonder if i could succesfully use lurker's 20 seconds before every other avatar to stack the last 10 seconds of it with avatar and another use for the fattest of claps
while also not dying to that self-dmg from the last 10 seconds of lurker debuff
sick sentinel
why don't you just use it with avatar or whatever
sick sentinel
just don't cancel it?
distant crystal
but the long duration gives the chance to stack it with another use
sick sentinel
it's 170k over the whole duration
distant crystal
it was less when i tested but
the last 10 seconds is most of the dmg
and without avatar the last 10 seconds is also the least useful for the mastery buff
sick sentinel
something under 2 boms
distant crystal
i mean, it's still alot but it's still less useful than it was in the prior 20 seconds while avatar was up
tho i wonder how the extra blocks would weigh against the crazy dot dmg
distant crystal
if BoM gave you the mastery right after avatar ended
instead of during
nobody would use it :p
sick sentinel
yeah because it would be delayed
having the mastery during avatar doesn't give you more surv
it gives you more damage
sick sentinel
the crit block will still outweigh the dot damage
the fatter IPs also help
and like taking 70k damage over the last 5 sec
will not kill you'
dark lark
My takeaway is that I need to go farm lurkers now
sick sentinel
idk what level of content you are doing
sick sentinel
but I get hit for 60k through block
reducing that to 15 k or so
by crit blocking
distant crystal
i don't wear it much for prot
i usually roll knot + gore
and since knot is up for every avatar it doesn't really have a place
dark lark
Ooh that sounds like a fun combo
opal mesa
hey is there a way to see exactly how much damage was mitigated by ignore pain during a fight in warcraftlogs?
dark lark
I'm using vial and gore
sick sentinel
I use rezan's +gore or goreblock+diamond
undone sun
under healing @opal mesa
sick sentinel
I used rezan's today and it was fine
opal mesa
better yet with ignore and shield block both appering
distant crystal
@opal mesa what @undone sun said
opal mesa
hm
distant crystal
shield block is a little weirder, you can look at dmg taken and mitigated %
undone sun
damage taken, blocked hits
little hawk
Any idea on how prot is in 8.2?
opal mesa
how do i look at blocked hits
little hawk
Damage taken and hower your mouse on melee damage bar.
sick sentinel
@little hawk the only change we are getting so far is the damage nerf
undone sun
or the number of hits, https://i.imgur.com/RmiUY8m.png
sick sentinel
and 
explain that
opal mesa
humm not really that useful
im trying to see how much damage was avoided between ignore pain and shield block
in one graph
guess ill have to add them up
exotic spoke
Ideally a lot
Is the smart ass answer
opal mesa
but how do i filter for just shield block value and not normal blocks
little hawk
So prot is gonna be strong in Palace I suppose ๐ค
steel mauve
shield block icon as green will only show damage taken while it is active
exotic spoke
Too early to tell man.
opal mesa
how about this abstract
undone sun
exotic spoke
Where we are is going to depend on other things that havenโt been decided on or that we donโt know yet.
little hawk
Ok, thinking of rerolling a new tank and tryin to decide what to play. Thanks Riki
exotic spoke
What exactly the new affix is, all of the fights, the new essences, what happened with other tanks
opal mesa
i want to check how effective the shield block/ignore pain was but just looking at activations during the fight doesnt help me since i dont care about mitigation against minor aoe damage or slow stuff
i want the mitigation to be active optimally during hard hits
steel mauve
ya it basically filters to show every bit of information that happened during that time those buffs are active, or you can show what happens when they are not active
opal mesa
any idea how to go about looking for something like that?
exotic spoke
Every tank is viable. Prot is very good right now and we arenโt getting a major nerf
opal mesa
that is, mitigating general damage is helpful overall but not critical
exotic spoke
So we will likely get better or at least stay close to the top
steel mauve
look at damage taken and when the graph spikes for some thing that hit hard use your mouse on the graph to time stamp it, but then you would need to do that for every spike
opal mesa
so i dont really care for mitigation while not holding the boss for example
exotic spoke
Try filter by ability?
Like damage taken by the tank
And then look at the abilities and what was mitigated or absorbed?
opal mesa
im ok wiht looking just at the melee damage for example
by the way is there a way to show damage from more than 1 damage type?
it seems to be either all of them or one of them
exotic spoke
May I ask why youโre doing this?
I donโt understand the purpose and it seems overly complicated for no, observable, gain - at least to me
opal mesa
to judge how well i was using my mitigation
oblique garnet
@undone sun @neon tangle what do i watch after chernobyl and barry
undone sun
hmmm
exotic spoke
Shield block up time should be very high. With last stand and shield block you should eh good. Our defensive rotation is 3 SB, LS
Use shield wall to fill in when necessary.
undone sun
hbo specific?
exotic spoke
But for the most part it should be good
oblique garnet
Hbo netflix hulu it dont matter
exotic spoke
I heard good things about the Chernobyl show
undone sun
it's very well made
oblique garnet
It was ๐๐ป
exotic spoke
Did you ever watch Rome?
oblique garnet
Yes
undone sun
still 2 more episodes of chernobyl to air
exotic spoke
I wish they did the last two seasons like originally planned
undone sun
idk tbh, im watching The Terror on AMC and Brooklyn 99 on HBO
undone sun
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
opal mesa
catch up on weeb stuff
exotic spoke
Honestly I donโt have a show Iโm watching now. It just ended with disappointment ๐ฆ
๐ช
opal mesa
did you watch the dragon prince
oblique garnet
I cant catch up on weeb stuff when i have never fell behind
exotic spoke
I never fell behind either (because it doesnโt interest me)
I assume youโve seen stranger things?
oblique garnet
Yes
sudden kayak
morning any one know where the proving grounds is for prot warrior
exotic spoke
Skyhold or garrison
sudden kayak
kk
oblique garnet
@undone sun the problem i have with tv shows is that i binge watch way too much and end up watching seasons in few weeks sacrificing my sleep
sick sentinel
That's what matters
undone sun
lol yeah i do t hat
oblique garnet
Was it yesterday when sadbox told me to watch barry?
opal mesa
there doesnt seem to be a counter for blocked hits?
sick sentinel
If there are unblocked hits, were they because you had shieldblok up
oblique garnet
Your total blocked hits should be around 80%
sick sentinel
chuck down the log in ๐ #449510248579858432 ๐
undone sun
deadchannel
oblique garnet
There are inevitably some hits you cant block in m+ or raid
exotic spoke
I hear you late. I watched the first four seasons of GoT in 8 days. First three seasons where a season a day on a long weekend then I could only watch 2-4 the other days (raid nights for two of those)
sudden kayak
yea khaleesi is hot as f
oblique garnet
Yeah riki i did that when s8 of got started i watched seasons 1-7 in 6 days
sick sentinel
I haven't watched any of the s8 yet
exotic spoke
Jesus man.
undone sun
only thing you're really missing is "closure"
exotic spoke
Bold strategy if you care about spoilers
exotic spoke
@undone sun arenโt we all?
oblique garnet
?
opal mesa
how much haste am i expected to have
undone sun
any
exotic spoke
Last stand with bolster makes you block
oblique garnet
80% of the overall hits
opal mesa
fair enough
oblique garnet
My general uptime on sb in m+ is 55-60%
opal mesa
i was generally saving last stand for bad moments rather than using it in a rotation
sick sentinel
that's wrong
oblique garnet
This is shieldblok not counting last stand
exotic spoke
Use it as your rotation
opal mesa
im really really hating the warrior gameplay ;p
distant crystal
yeah you wanna use it early and often
opal mesa
its god awful compared to paladin imo
oblique garnet
Being gcd locked on everything on pally?
exotic spoke
I mean - ok. But how?