I got 2x410 rezans from chest
#protection
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
1 bastion for raid
mortal brook
@urban briar o/
rancid palm
which 2 of these should i use? 400 ancient tuskarr sea charm , 385 rezan gleaming eye, 400 ramping amplitude gigavolt engine?
sick sentinel
rage and charm
modern brook
edgy breach
Is 78 speed more worth than 22 extra vers/mastery on a ring same ilvl
22 split between vers and mas
steel mauve
No tertiary is worth dropping secondaries imo, its nice to have but you never gear based on a tertiary
dark lark
What settings should I be simming for dps? I've heard "go patchwerk" vs "go lightweight movement" across all the different class discords.
urban briar
gutripper or ablative shielding for raid on my skyscorcher shoulders?
or ustable flames
kind prairie
Had someone tell me the shield from blockade is trash because it's vers/mastery. I'm inclined to believe them because they push high keys, but that seems to go against what I've been taught here.
mortal brook
uf gives defensiveness, gutripper will out deeps it
uf prob pulls ahead multitarget
urban briar
how much defensiveness? enuff to not take gutripper?
sick sentinel
who the fuck sims light movement
@edgy breach speed is not worth anything
@urban briar flames
@kind prairie ilvl is the single and only thing that matters on a shield
urban briar
cheers mate
mortal brook
kaege with the mic drop
sick sentinel
the fact that somebody pushes high keys does not mean that they know remotely anything about gearing
urban briar
this is true
im 2k on 3 toons and i dont have a clue
do i want blood sport or another brace for impact on the crown of blood succession?
kind prairie
@sick sentinel they were in the invitational thing
sick sentinel
EVEN WORSE
sick sentinel
there are literally 2 prot warriors in the MDI that know how to gear
kind prairie
It was seriously making me question myself. Not that I know everything, but I follow this group pretty religiously
I appreciate the answers. xD
This in particular
ivory barn
when is this "stress test" supposed to go live for classic wow?
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel There would be 0 prot warriors who would know how to gear if we didnt run tests 8)
urban briar
cool can any1 tell me which traits to pick on my azerite gear please:)
worthy dagger
id just go haste if no tests were ever made
sick sentinel
well items have 2 stats
ofc we want one of those to be haste
the thing is the other stat
undone sun
Ofc you would
mint adder
Haste crit sim highest dps
undone sun
I pushed hard to get Sims working 😡 😭
inner sail
Hey guys, as i useally mained dps spec i recently swapped to protection and i have to say i really enjoy it i just finished of my 3rd M+ dungeon ever as protection which was a 14 shrine. now however i want to optimise my gear and stats as much as i can. any tips :)?
undone sun
And look at us now
sick sentinel
@inner sail check pms
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel hype got upgrades now i can run 3xBom 2xTC 1 DC
sick sentinel
BIG
oblique garnet
im not playing warrior in classic
outer dew
the dream mang
mortal brook
we didnt sim in classic, we farmed resist gear >.>
inner sail
@sick sentinel Thanks! However is there like a sweet spot for haste? i have 1476 Haste right now ilvl 412 and a few sockets to spec. should i opt for even more haste or divide some of that into crit?
undone sun
No
mortal brook
outer dew
@oblique garnet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omhdQcFNWdQ
is this
what you aspire to do
kite a paladin for 10 years
dark lark
sockets on pieces like wrist, belt, legs, feet are worth less "stats" than rings right, because of str stam armor and secondaries?
@sick sentinel some dude on brewmaster discord said sim light movement lol, first i've ever heard of it
which is why i needed to confirm
sick sentinel
that about sockets is correct
oblique garnet
@outer dew yes i have long standing crudge against paladins and all the other melee classes due to years of maining warlock
sick sentinel
light movement is garbage
outer dew
hmm
you didn't want to farm
like 5000 bags
of soul stones for raids
is that why you don't roll warlock?
dark lark
his logic made sense though, because no fight in the game besides Patchwerk is literally 5 minutes of standing there not moving
undone sun
Tbh any sim that's not patchwerk isn't worth using
dark lark
like i said, just wanted to confirm
oblique garnet
Yeah tofu that is why i didnt want to roll a warlock
Also the dot limit makes warlocks useless in raids
so cba
spamming shadow bolt in raids 10/10
oblique garnet
nothing
lusty grotto
lies
sand egret
oooo neato essence change to Luciid
now seems to give charge reduction on skills for some specs where that matters more. I'm into it
sand egret
could be neat for VDH, since it doesn't mention Pain.
since DS charges are quite the valuable thing
if it does reduce the CD on charges, it could be a nice one to slot in
does indicate they're making spec-based iterative passes now, so it's a good marker for where they are internally
Yo, what PvP talent does Prot get?
Please tell me it's the Demo Shout one
wheat bronze
They don't
sand egret
?
drifting pewter
trail whale
based on the pvp essences i've seen it's just shitty utility ones
sand egret
Feral getting LotP is pretty dope
🤞 come on Mass Spell Reflect
plz plz plz plz plz
honestly....as long as it isn't like Warpath (and even then a 3 second aoe stun aint the worst) i'd be ok.
mortal brook
brm gets hot trub, bdk gets 2 charge grip tankadin gets steed, wtf blizz team
checking warr 1 sec
sick sentinel
the demo shout would be giga broken
mortal brook
thunderstruck
sand egret
kite city baby
trail whale
feral really got lotp?
mortal brook
the tclap root?
trail whale
wow
sand egret
yeaaaaah boi
mortal brook
i mean, you'd have to give up a major slot for it
trail whale
blizzard wants tomake sure feral has a raid spot apparently
mortal brook
the minor is prettyy comparable to aegis
sand egret
well no mass spell reflect
oblique garnet
feral is good tho
sand egret
laaaame
trail whale
feral is good, but not "you need one in your raid good"
mortal brook
this balancing is terrible. like, boomies get moonkin aura, feral gets leader of the pack, ret gets freedom move speed. pog
sand egret
you basically can just run crackling thunder > pop avatar and never get hit by mobs
mortal brook
the minor is a stacking vers buff
sand egret
that's neato
mortal brook
doesnt tstruck have diminishing returns?
sand egret
not in pve
mortal brook
shiny
sand egret
yeah
lusty grotto
Yikes discord is super slow at work's net
mortal brook
but still, have to give up a major slot for it
sand egret
that's a choice i'd like to make
mortal brook
wish the essence vendor was up....so we could actually you know, test this shit
sand egret
having the option to spec into a super kite spec is kinda appealing
mortal brook
last time it was up worldvein was still giving the raid 10k mainstat lol
lusty grotto
And I was looking for it on the weekend
sand egret
either way
lusty grotto
Idk I'm not convinced blade
mortal brook
there's gonna be plenty of participation since nazjatar wpvp currency is needed for some essences
sand egret
i'm always in favor of having more side-goals in this game
sick sentinel
probs gonna use it over eng helm
mortal brook
loved the periodic ffa in legion
empty spire
lusty grotto
Are you...
A furry?
The things you see when you leave your pc app compact mode :)
Ah yes Steves xmog I had seen
soft kindle
lusty grotto
Gz!
ivory barn
thanks bro!
sick sentinel
Pog
ivory barn
time to start spammin SoB and ToS for a weapon greater than 375
mortal brook
nice work!
heady bluff
Guyz what trinkets would you wear for mythic plus as prot?
415 alchemy, 400 opulence, 400 atal dazar rezan haste one or 415 briny barnacle?
Are the rezan and opulence 15 il drop worth keeping?
Thanks for your time.
sick sentinel
alchemy and rezans
warm plinth
Unless you're doing super high keys or things that you're undergeared for, defensive trinkets aren't really required so we typically go for trinkets that aren't specifically for defense.
That being said, Rezan's is pretty good for both survival and damage (haste is a strong stat for both).
heady bluff
Then barnacle and rezans are good choice too, it sims best on raid bots
If I am not dying
Thanks
warm plinth
👍
heady bluff
Survavibility speaking wouldn't the opulence and rezans be the best? Even with the il?
The shield seems quite good
chrome falcon
Hm, new 1h in eternal palace gives up to 10% attack speed
Kinda makes you wish devastator gave rage 🤔
glacial flint
if it fits... it fits 😄
ivory barn
which weapon would yhou chose?
sturdy sable
The higher ilvl one
ivory barn
okie ty
glacial flint
weapon and shield is ilvl better for dps / armor / block 😃
sick sentinel
is there anything that can be done about the minions of zul in KR, since they blow up in 1 hit and then 1 shot you because of bursting?
sand egret
@sick sentinel best thing is to try to stagger them like usual. However, that may mean legit disrupting the pack with something like RoP/Typhoon in the middle of them. kill 4 and cc 2 could also work. Still a fucking pain
warm plinth
Definitely one of the mobs they should have gotten rid of on-death affixes for. They're already a giant pain in the ass.
sand egret
yuup
warm plinth
Just like Zul should have the hyrja miniboss treatment and not be affected by tyr or fort
sand egret
Rogues getting Smoke Bomb in PvE......no way that can be abused.... 🙄
warm plinth
Wait what? They're getting smoke bomb in PvE?
sand egret
the essence
Conflict gives Rogues the Smoke Bomb pvp talent
which is literally what I was talking about months and months ago about being a problematic issue in general for PvE content design (but in the context of a Warrior Talent to give them an ability to create LoS)
warm plinth
Boo why can't we have Morale Killer :p
sand egret
fuck that, I wanted Mass Spell Reflect
sand egret
yeah....reflects all spells, 5% more reduction, AND allows you to protect party members
warm plinth
The havoc one is actually pretty neat
Yeah that would definitely have been the ideal one. I guess ours isn't bad for necro weeks? 🙃
sand egret
honestly, the the VDH one isn't too bad since it give you an on-demand dispel. Not that it's better than others but cool.
Well currently that talent doesn't DR
in PvE. So with Crackling Thunder, you can literally just stand at max range and clap and mobs won't touch you
sharp night
smoke bomb could have decent use in specific situations but you'd be giving up a lot of dps for it
havoc one is bad tbh, there are no situations where you want meta on half duration/half cd
sand egret
dps isn't an issue if it allows you to circumvent entire mechanics
forcing mechanics to target X individuals over Y
sharp night
yeah it would have to be very specific situations
sand egret
that's way more value than some dps
like, replacing entire healer slots, value
and no esssence gives more dps than another full dps
sharp night
that's not possible considering it's 5 sec on a 3 min cd
lucid bough
havoc is good
sand egret
and it depends on the cadence of the mechanic, but the potential is there.
sand egret
depending on a fight's flow, it could be very useful
sharp night
the way most fights are designed you're probably better off just taking 2 boomie with a full ranged raid
astral crystal
tfw no demo shout pvp talent
sharp night
for 12% spellcrit
sand egret
which just feeds into the intent of the essence
astral crystal
FeelsBadMan
sand egret
Mass Spell Reflect woulda been the dream
astral crystal
yeah that would've been nuts
sand egret
kings of kiting boiii
sharp night
it's the most useful of the tank essences outside of maybe brm's hot trub
sharp night
vdh one literally has 1 use in keys
sand egret
25% increase on Thrash and Swipe for 6 seconds on a Maul seems fun to mess with
sharp night
rixxa's debuff in ML and that's it lol
sharp night
nothing that a healer can't already take care of
warm plinth
Eh, Gilded Claws on Priestess is another example; not that you can't be dispelled by healer anyway but meh
sharp night
rixxa's is the only dangerous one because it hits 2 targets
warm plinth
I see what you mean by Rixxa since it's 2 targets
sharp night
gilded claws is offensive not defensive
sand egret
but it means the healer doesn't have to waste the mana/gcd
warm plinth
Oh you're right; blonde moment
sharp night
you use a purge for that, not selfdispel
oblique garnet
Lightning Lasso: Grips the target in lightning, stunning the target and dealing 40% of the target's maximum health in Nature damage over 5 sec. Can move while channeling.
Shamans get this
8))
sand egret
it's your max hp
warm plinth
I should know that since I use consume magic on it all the time 🙃
sand egret
(which is still insane) but it doesn't scale to the mob, Late
sharp night
only other situation where there's 2 dispels is last boss siege but one doesn't always go on tank
so it's not really "useful" there as much as it is on rixxa
sand egret
it's a pretty narrow definition of "useful" tbh
sharp night
if it removed other non-magic effects it'd be good
sand egret
but in that context yeah
sharp night
but it's restricted to magic-only which is pretty rare
warm plinth
Hey you could self dispel reaping stacks; too bad reaping won't be a thing anymore lul
sharp night
dispelling once every ~12-15sec isn't really all that useful unless your healer is dead or something lol
warm plinth
The blood DK one is nice. Not sure what they'd be competing with to have 2 grip charges though
lapis tapir
is there a leech cap for pve?
warm plinth
20% I think?
sharp night
that makes your target + 2 other targets take damage that would be really powerful for bdk
basically all damage dealt to any linked target chains over onto the other targets
that'd be better than double grip imo
lapis tapir
if i were able to stack to that. Is it worth it?
warm plinth
No I mean, that's the one they get for the essence if they used that one. I was referring to what other major essence they'd have to put on the back burner to use it
sharp night
oh
warm plinth
No, not unless you just got it passively with your highest ilevel gear
sharp night
i mean their visions essence is just vamp blood so that's whatever
warm plinth
Yeah
sharp night
and the rest of the essences are shared with every other tank spec
warm plinth
So I guess that's not too terrible having that extra charge available; you'd basically always have grip ready if needed
sharp night
they should have let people pick which talent they want for the pvp essence though, right now some get good ones and some get bad and it's kinda dumb
warm plinth
I wouldn't be mad at that
lapis tapir
i can rock 409 ish ilvl with 18% leech but my best gear is 416
warm plinth
Use your best gear. If you get some leech with it, cool. It's not worth dropping item level for it.
astral crystal
drop as much ilvl as possible for leech
if you have a 350 gear with leech, wear it over a 425
lucid bough
why u need 2 grips when u can have your rogue smoke your party
warm plinth
Atticus staaahhp
sand egret
they 100% won't let you pick your talent, mostly because some of them are a nightmare to balance
sharp night
yeah the dk auras would be broken lol
sand egret
hence why they went with the low-ball ones
sharp night
some of them are just straight up useless though
sand egret
i mean, no
warm plinth
The frost mage one is actually cool; I liked that talent leveling up
sand egret
some are not as good, but useless is just not the right word
sharp night
useless in currently designed content if playing as intended
look at the rsham one, in what situation is that ever useful?
warm plinth
Yeah I was actually just looking at that; that really is worthless lol
In PvE of course
sharp night
there isn't even a niche situation where it's useful when playing the currently designed content
warm plinth
Not sure what that CD is that you have to use.. I guess maybe it might work against quaking?
sharp night
especially when they have a talent that makes chainheal stronger or whatever
it's the "able to cast while moving" spell that they have
warm plinth
Ah
So maybe not 100% worthless. I guess if there was an oh shit moment where they really can't afford to stop casting, they could use it to prevent quaking from silencing them. But suuuuuper niche
mortal brook
there's 100% better majors to choose
sharp night
yeah but if you're playing as intended you won't have that issue and you wouldn't waste SWG on that situation either
i mean sure it's good for if you mess up
warm plinth
Yeah, I'm just looking at these as if people would actually take it. I haven't looked at what all the majors are available for every class.
Definitely plenty of instances where another major will be better
warm plinth
Though tbh with the smoke bomb one...don't a lot of mobs evade if they can't touch you with something? It may just cause a lot of evade bugging. Or may cause them to focus whatever person isn't inside the bomb assuming you put it on party members (which would be good or bad depending on the situation).
Or maybe it'd just make ranged mobs run into melee
lucid bough
Its almost a mass grip but slower xD
warm plinth
Yeah lol
neon tangle
Assuming they work out the bugs it'll just be a mass grip w/o a max range
warm plinth
Doubt it. I don't know a lot about them but I doubt it's worth spending rage on Maul to increase Thrash/Swipe damage, especially not every 6 seconds
I could be wrong though
mortal brook
no way. brm
warm plinth
BrM's is gonna be interesting
neon tangle
the prot pally one will be interesting
warm plinth
But idk. In Legion purifying wasn't super common to the point where it'd be a consistent damage increase. Haven't played BrM this xpac
Hahahhaa
I want a video of that
sharp night
actually
can you imagine if havoc got the cover of darkness one
80% partywide chance to immune damage for 8sec
warm plinth
That would be insane
sharp night
that'd be so much better than the meta one
neon tangle
@mortal brook if used wisely it's just more mob control for pallies
mortal brook
theres no way theres not a better major to take
warm plinth
Yeah doesn't Visions do AW for them?
mortal brook
nerds in peak were thinking 10~19k from hot trub
mortal brook
sustained from purify
warm plinth
Wow, I wouldn't have guessed it was that much tbh
mortal brook
50k purifies in aoes at high stagger
sharp night
it's 30% and hits aoe
not split
if you purify at 100% stagger that's 50k per purify yeah
warm plinth
I think it's cool that they're doing different stuff with these though. Even if it is a little hectic at first.
warm plinth
Yeah but when has Blizzard done anything perfect the first time.
Live is the new PTR after all
mortal brook
they do great things all the time. they just shortly hotfix them
neon tangle
@mortal brook Imagine getting 2 grip charges, and then giving rogue a better version of your signature ability
warm plinth
How is it a better version though? It's not instant; some mobs will still stop short of aoe range after it expires because they were in the middle of casting when it started. The range restriction not being there just means that'll happen more often when you have mobs further away.
sharp night
you mean like how there's an essence that is straight up a better version of dh's cheat death talent
lucid bough
its a pretty good utility
mortal brook
imagine having it in shrine pre-nerf on the reaping casters
lucid bough
idk why they buff the most played melee like that but well
warm plinth
It's not a bad skill at all. But I wouldn't call it a better mass grip than mass grip
neon tangle
@warm plinth stuff doesn't finish casting when you go out of LoS
it just runs to you
warm plinth
It doesn't finish but it still gets to the end of the cast
Before it realizes it can't hit you
neon tangle
also unless they fix it, it will work on non-grippable stuff
since it's LoS mechanics instead of displacement ones
I'm sure people will abuse the "cannot target out of" as well
mortal brook
nothings really changed from rogue meta tbh
neon tangle
like maybe dropping it on rita
oblique garnet
@warm plinth I got paid to stream a scuffed weekly key so there will be vod lul
warm plinth
lol! Thank the benefactor for me
lusty grotto
gz!
mortal brook
good work!
sick sentinel
grats!
lusty copper
@lusty grotto stack 3 Glimmer traits and watch as your holy shocks become AoE.
oblique garnet
^
sick sentinel
fuck blizzard btw
the only reason I liked tauren was because they had MASSIVE mounts
and also gamon will not give you a bigger mount now
oblique garnet
See this is why classic is the superior game
lusty grotto
ohhh
sick sentinel
that's fucking painful nome
strong forum
Na
We had a 5.6% wipe like 3hrs ago
And was our only day to raid, cuz next raid would be cancelled cuz too many people couldnt make it
So we powered for 6hrs
And it paid off
Fuck me man
bold zinc
real talk, what tanks are lookin promising for next tier for raid and m+?
strong forum
Prot
sick sentinel
you will not be able to do this anymore as a tauren
bold zinc
jhm
what would youy suggest
from personal opinion
ieven thou i know im askin on a warrior
disc
lmao
strong forum
Well I play warri since wotlk
sick sentinel
are you tanking proper mythic or some easier bosses
strong forum
So yeah, but pally is ultra fun aswell
So if you like having ton of utility pally is the pick, if you like more aoe dmg warri is your pick
bold zinc
What about brew?
strong forum
Ofc pally does ton of dmg aswell, but it's target locked pally can't pull 100k+ dps on big packs
warm plinth
I fail to see how a vdh is 110 apm
strong forum
But logs say so
sick sentinel
but like yeah
bold zinc
oh yea
strong forum
How come I have 4hosses with 110 cpm thdn
sick sentinel
i dont see how vdh is higher aswell
bold zinc
nice mee
strong forum
As vdh
bold zinc
cause i feel like prot warrior are dominating rn
what would you feel like will be best tank for m+
post nerf
that ifeel like are gonna come
sick sentinel
to reach that high apm you need lots of resource also skills out of GCD to reach so high apm
thats why prot had over 100+ apm at end of legion
insane amount of rage also all skills not on gcd
lusty grotto
it depends on the seasonal @bold zinc
warm plinth
FYI Nomeratur, logs count Soul Fragment spawns as a cast.
oblique garnet
^
sick sentinel
i think prot pally would work great aswell next tier
bold zinc
@lusty grotto il lookin for atank that is a safe bet in raids and m+ poverall
oblique garnet
Also essence font
oblique garnet
So mw has alot of cpm
lusty grotto
all of them are safe bets at this point
sick sentinel
we take the least damage and even after nerf probably will do best damage still
bold zinc
guardian druid
lusty grotto
since bears and vdhs are getting buffed
oblique garnet
Monk is by far the safest bet
sick sentinel
vdh isnt a buff tho
strong forum
bold zinc
ye i fel like
strong forum
sick sentinel
it is just swapping % damage you take
warm plinth
Note the fragments number.
strong forum
110 apm, what can I tell you
sick sentinel
i dont think vdh is actualy a buff maybe guardian but i didnt play it
bold zinc
like
warm plinth
Fragments are not an action, but they are counted as a cast.
oblique garnet
Apm is not the same as cpm
lusty grotto
Ghash addressed it Nomeratur
lusty grotto
ya i agree
warm plinth
I don't disagree.
lusty grotto
i liked vdh at the end of legion
strong forum
Vdh in Legion was 👌
lusty grotto
my favorite tank out of my alts
warm plinth
I would be playing VDH now if it was sturdier than wet paper
lusty grotto
only 2nd to prot of course
warm plinth
Yep
strong forum
But no snapshot aggro
oblique garnet
@bold zinc guardian druid does the 2nd most damage in m+
warm plinth
Idk I was mostly playing VDH at the end of Legion, probably more than my warrior 😬
oblique garnet
Sure its alot of swipe and thrash spam
But warrior is the same with thunderclap spam
outer dew
Wdym
bold zinc
@oblique garnet first guradian druid is not even top 500 in m+ leaderboard
outer dew
Bear is a monster dps
oblique garnet
And?
warm plinth
Top 500 M+ leaderboard doesn't tell you what specs are good. It tells you what spec is the most preferred right now.
bold zinc
they are not well seen
oblique garnet
Still had by far the most damage
warm plinth
Or rather, it doesn't tell you all the specs that are good.
supple lily
member when pwar was a meme in s1 before 5(?) ups and gcd change?
warm plinth
Yeah, guardian and VDH have the same problem, though at least VDH has engaging gameplay (sorry Tofu)
bold zinc
ye but like
outer dew
???
outer dew
Swipe + Galecallers
bold zinc
wouldyou take tait
outer dew
You wanna fight bitch
bold zinc
most people wouldnt
oblique garnet
Also rank 1 guardian is top 100 world
outer dew
It's because its rotation is just thrash swipe
oblique garnet
Just saying
warm plinth
Yeah
warm plinth
lol
warm plinth
What do you think of the PvP essence for guardian?
warm plinth
Maul increases Swipe/Thrash damage by 25% for 6 sec
oblique garnet
@supple lily prot warrior wasnt a meme in s1 people who played warrior just sucked in most cases and thought it was shit when it wasnt
outer dew
And its not like most of the classes are fairly pilotable
oblique garnet
Also ghash that will change how guardians play in a good way
warm plinth
Really? I would think they wouldn't want to feel required to press Maul
warm plinth
Since they now have a 30 rage FR
outer dew
Our rage gen atm is still way too low
warm plinth
And the rage generation was improved but still needs work (imo)
outer dew
I cant justify a rage dunk on mail
Maul
Esp when you need to be stacking IF to make sure you dont die
warm plinth
Yeah
outer dew
I can see it in ST maybe
dark lark
or you can just push all 6 tank classes to 2k
oblique garnet
Why stop at tanks
oblique garnet
Just push all classes to 2k
oblique garnet
Its not like its hard
outer dew
2k is like what
dark lark
sorry, responding to "prot warrior wasnt a meme in s1 people who played warrior just sucked in most cases and thought it was shit when it wasnt"
warm plinth
26 is DPS specs I think actually
outer dew
+17 on everything
outer dew
Tbh
strong forum
Well prot wasn't a meme in s1. It was litrally case
bold zinc
i mean
outer dew
FH is no longer as free during tyrannical
bold zinc
bdk
was most od
dominant
sicne legion
thats why prot warriro
was mostly unlooked
bold zinc
ye i know
outer dew
???
bold zinc
im low iq
dark lark
talking like captain kirk in 2019
lusty grotto
dont worry i told someone the same thing a month ago :p
warm plinth
rofl, that's what it is deeshoo! XD
oblique garnet
There was also alot of people who thought warriors would take alot of damage if they didnt have alot of versatility in s1
warm plinth
No no, Nim and Late are the toxic ones here
outer dew
bold zinc
i feel like brew and prot apladin are safe ebets
lusty grotto
hey man im not toxic
bold zinc
if i wanna start uop tanking
lusty grotto
i promote strong love
outer dew
Literally
oblique garnet
Gotta check if i have that screenshot where a guy whispered me asking whats my vers because i took no damage only to hit him with the i have 0%
warm plinth
rofl, I need to see that
outer dew
It's just play whatever the fuck ya want
Lol
You can pilot a class if you're skilled enough or willing to learn
warm plinth
Tofu are you top 100 yet?
outer dew
Homie
oblique garnet
Tofu are you playing classic yet?
warm plinth
RIP. Though tbh I'm really not either. I log in to see if there's a gear reward for alts on emissaries and then I play Diablo
inland mesa
What's your m+ score in classic?
warm plinth
lul
outer dew
Would rather not commit 12 hours a week
warm plinth
Don't say that; I'm waiting for the announcement of the gearscore addon already.
It's going to happen.
outer dew
Was talking about making an io mage for neopets
warm plinth
Neopets? That shit still exists?
inland mesa
Oh nvm stress test broke the entire game
outer dew
But I have no problem with gear score for classic
oblique garnet
See tofu this is why you have to find a 2 day raiding guild
outer dew
Gear would be back to a metric of skill
oblique garnet
I dont think gearscore will be a thing in classic
warm plinth
When has gear ever been a good metric of skill?
outer dew
Loot drops aren't high and it at least shows you've grinded out the content a bit
warm plinth
Even before WF/TF, you still played with people who were absolute dodoheads that had better gear than you.
inland mesa
LFG Hogger must be 2.5k m+ 110 gear score
outer dew
But here's the thing
You can say that, but what becomes your metric of determining this random dude is not half retarded
warm plinth
I play with them, and if they aren't half retarded, I continue to play with them.
outer dew
Gearing becomes somewhat of a metric when TF is locked behind a ton of content
At least that means they did that shit
warm plinth
Yeah but as Late said, you can get gear in old raids just by showing up
It doesn't mean you were good
(necessarily)
outer dew
Yes, but you had to attune and at least you've seen the raid
I'm saying it from the PoV of pugging and finding people
It's like your resume
I've been here before
And I know what gear is good for my class
Tbh. Gearing still is somewhat of ametric in current content
It's less impactful
warm plinth
I can see your point but I still don't think gear is a good metric. It has a small amount of meaning but it still doesn't even halfway guarantee the person knows what they're doing.
outer dew
But you're not gonna invite a random Ilvl 270 to a +10 if hes not paying
warm plinth
Gearing is relevant to the point where if two people have the same score, you invite the higher person
Yeah but the 270 isn't likely to have a 1k score either. It's possible but very unlikely
outer dew
Yes, but that's the kind of things you're stuck with when pugging though
Most people don't know how you'll perform
inland mesa
Charity community keys for the follows, all 270s accepted
outer dew
You could be a God for all I know
warm plinth
lol
outer dew
But guess what, we never played together and etc
warm plinth
When it's a difference that big, I agree that it's a metric. But if you're comparing a 410 vs a 405, gear matters far less.
outer dew
So unless you whisper me and seeming like a cool dude
distant crystal
tfw someone queues for your group and they're 220 io, 3/9H, 418 ilvl
inland mesa
I like all the streamers and YouTube people surprised by having to talk to and friend people in classic
distant crystal
it happens more than you'd think lol
oblique garnet
You know i actually stopped inviting these high ilvl russians
outer dew
But that's the thing though ghash
inland mesa
WoW was an mmo? Wtf?!??!
warm plinth
An online game was social? WHAAAT?
oblique garnet
Like i get alot of people who are like 421 ilvl
outer dew
You have no impression of a random
distant crystal
BFA with the cross server/autoqueue stuff stripped out would be better than classic by a mile
outer dew
Calls me garbage
distant crystal
change my mind
warm plinth
lolol
outer dew
):
oblique garnet
Nah tofu i dont invite you to keys for 2 reasons
warm plinth
Well, they did say they would consider other legacy servers if classic performs well
So you might see TBC servers some day
oblique garnet
- I dont play alliance 2. Youre from NA
outer dew
Shh
inland mesa
I miss server communities and having to interact with people
outer dew
They don't know that
distant crystal
oh also they gotta nix titanforging, sharding, and catchup mechanics
outer dew
Lmao
oblique garnet
Wdym ghash i play dps more now
outer dew
I meme as hpal
warm plinth
Do you?
outer dew
Tbh
oblique garnet
Yes
warm plinth
Is that why I'm going through vod withdrawal over here?
Because you're selfishly playing DPS
oblique garnet
No
inland mesa
Glimmer build
warm plinth
😢
inland mesa
You shine bright like a diamond tofu
oblique garnet
Its because i havent been streaming
outer dew
Si
oblique garnet
I did 2 keys last week on my warrior
warm plinth
Two keys = two streaming opportunities
inland mesa
Am I the only one that doesnt give two shits about crucible?
warm plinth
I have 0/everything raid progress. So no, you're not the only one.
oblique garnet
I dont care about it but it could be fun
outer dew
Tbh
sick sentinel
Was super scrolled up
outer dew
Ghash, let's go play classic
sick sentinel
Gearscore in classic is fucking retarded
outer dew
Let's start our own dungeon gang
warm plinth
I didn't get invited 😢
inland mesa
After jaina prog I have no desire to die to cabal for 500 pulls just to get to the boss that drops worth while shit for another 500 pulls
sick sentinel
Because a lvl 40 helm can be your bis
warm plinth
I'm fucking on board though
outer dew
Let's be NE gang too
warm plinth
And you lost me right there. 🤢
sick sentinel
Ferals were using a lvl 40 dungeon helm throught the entirety of classic AND tbc
outer dew
I gotta be sneaky boy
inland mesa
Sky hold prot naked gnome run pls
warm plinth
Though if I want to play feral again I won't have a choice.
Honestly though I don't really have any interest in classic. If I play, it'll be because my gf wants to see it (she started in Legion)
inland mesa
Wdym feral essence buffs makes a druid necessary next tier haha
warm plinth
And I wouldn't make her go through that leveling experience by herself
outer dew
Lmao
warm plinth
Kaege, when I got my fucking Warden Staff on my druid. Oooohhh man
I was 🔥
Dat bonus armor
oblique garnet
Ill be killing you
oblique garnet
Alliance🤢
sick sentinel
Yeah, the idea of gearscore and item level is NOT A THING until trial of the crusader
outer dew
I thought you were going alliance late?
sick sentinel
The actual raid when the game started getting progressively worse
oblique garnet
I decided against it
I wanna play on pvp realm
If i go pvp realm on alliance in eu
I will die many times
inland mesa
Those exist, thought they were just using warmode
oblique garnet
Play shadowpriest and keep your dots up in raid 8)
inland mesa
I was a sp for mc got that boe world drop epic staff, total mindblast baller
outer dew
Wdym
I'm a casual
Cant raid
You think I'm farming the mats to do raids?
You're delusional
Lmao
inland mesa
Winterfell firewater for erryone
outer dew
Aite, what class can I roleplay AFK?
mortal brook
other 20 still trading healthstones with the lock
sick sentinel
Hunter probs
inland mesa
Just say you're a hunter than ran out of ammo
sick sentinel
Uuuuugh
mortal brook
big mongoose bites
outer dew
Play warlock and run out of soulsharss
sick sentinel
You gotta go farm, takes too much effott
Its a no from me
The nice things about warlocks is that you can play russian roulette
When you summon your doomguard
One person has to die
You can also drop infernals in towns and kill bank alts
mortal brook
literally a hunter just to kite Shandris Feathermoon to org
confirmed she's not tethered 😄
bold zinc
undone sun
hmmmm
junior ivy
hi
sick sentinel
@outer dew rip I just broke up with the egirl
sick sentinel
"It's not you, honestly, its just the distance" lmao
She wants irl
But she far away
sick sentinel
I was going to answer to that but I can't here lmao, too much information
sand egret
ya’ll need Jesus
empty inlet
if youre soaking on stormwall do yu take never surrender?
sick sentinel
no
steel mauve
you never take never surrender
honest pelican
any tank tips for skittish this week?
lusty grotto
what's skittish?
honest pelican
mobs pay less attention to tanks
lusty grotto
i thought this week was only bursting
sick sentinel
What's skittish?
lusty grotto
yeah what's that
honest pelican
Enemies pay far less attention to threat generated by tanks
lusty grotto
what's that though
honest pelican
ok, th ank you
sick sentinel
Boric heroic leap to reset taunt cd
Taunt a second mob
If you somehow lost aggro on 3 mobs
And you have used both your taunts
And avatar is on cd
Shieldslam the guy
sick sentinel
We got thunderstuck
Not necessarily the best
Compared to other classes
Like if feral goes through, it will be mandatory to have a feral in every raid lmao
timber nest
7 sockets lul
astral crystal
thunderstruck will be alright in m+ i think
might have use in raids depends on how the encounters go
but yeah not the greatest
warm plinth
WTB Mass Spell Reflect 😄
warm plinth
Ever since whoever said that about the PvP essence though (that it should be Mass Spell Reflect), I now want it. Gimme.
undone sun
it was a pvp talent for quite a while
wooden radish
it was a regular talent in MoP
undone sun
yeh
junior ivy
thyme how do you still know so much 😭
undone sun
😄
clever fog
fickle geode
Don't even know where to look but what loa should I pick going to a zand troll mainly tanking in M+?
warm plinth
@clever fog No, that doesn't sound accurate. Does it show that for all sim types (patchwerk, HAC, etc.)?
It's also fairly likely that it's assuming TC has 100% uptime, which is not realistic.
@ionic fern I see you. Am I correct on TC uptime or could something else be going on?
warm plinth
Thanks sweetie ❤ I don't know how to read simc jargon 😄
undone sun
can't check the actual simc report because "large simulation"
warm plinth
lul
undone sun
otherwise it'd be an easy buff uptime check
fossil heron
is it really 20% leech cap on pve? even when DH has 40% during meta?
distant crystal
it is indeed 100%
warm plinth
No, it's 20% cap from leech rating afaik.
DH talent doesn't affect rating; it just adds the amount to your % I believe.
lusty grotto
😡 why are we asking about leech again
warm plinth
I mean, at least they specified DH? 😂
lusty grotto
😡
undone sun
i don't recall there being a leech cap 🤔
warm plinth
I may be wrong btw @fossil heron It may just be avoidance that has a cap
lusty grotto
i dont know, asking about that in protection seems to imply something
undone sun
i know avoidance caps at 20%
warm plinth
Yeah that's probably what I'm thinking of tbh
lusty grotto
stewart is thrashing about
warm plinth
Yeah that's because he's out of water and can't breathe. You should be impressed he's held his breath this long.
dim token
any idea whats the highest possible iL from assaults? warforges aside
deft vector
dim token
oh crap thats pretty low 😭
warm plinth
Yeah 370 is the highest you can get from an assault without a forge.
sudden kayak
yo does any one know if skittish and bursting carrys on to the reaping people or does the affix only happen to dungeon mobs
ionic fern
@warm plinth default is 100 jeah
undone sun
afaik reaping mobs aren't affected by affixes
sudden kayak
kk
warm plinth
No affixes affect Reaping except indirectly with Teeming afaik
ionic fern
warm plinth
ty bb
dim token
now sure why but skittish seems to be less noticeable nowadays
warm plinth
Actually, technically Reaping would be "affected" by skittish @sudden kayak but only because skittish affects the tank, not mobs
sudden kayak
kk
warm plinth
Well skittish has always been pretty much a non-affix for prot warriors.