World of Warcraft 22/05/2019, 03:00 - 22/05/2019, 12:00 Rolling Restarts
#protection
strong forum
Sneaky 8.2 launch
undone sun
8.2 doesn't mean raid 😉
undone sun
when the raid is out
sick sentinel
you will still be able to get CE with essences, the is going to be the most free CE of all time
you'll be able to 15man the thing
glacial flint
blizzard logic.. week 4...
livid totem
At this point, it's not about logic, it's about to stall as much as possible and not give us too much gear for our alts
mortal carbon
😢
livid totem
In a sense, it's logic for Blizzard. ^^
strong forum
Tfw im still not 49 cuz I haven't slammed ap in 3 months
sick sentinel
no need tbh
strong forum
I'll get there, gonna do 3x emissary today that'll get me to 49
And 50 will happen by itself
honest canopy
Hm
no
The essences will just be up for one week right
while you can get CE still
dont you need to actually unlock the essneces?
strong forum
You need hoa 50 for major and 55 for minor
That's all I know
But it's prolly behind warcampaign to unlock em, maybe
spice ferry
glacial flint
@strong forum no one needs to slam ap for getting 50 ^^ even my twink is 50 without any ap farm
sick sentinel
is your main your paladin?
unborn island
I think i'm 45.7 or something
haven't farmed anything ever
think I've done like 3 weekly islands since i dinged and don't tend to waste time with WQ's
ionic fern
No, my Paladins like 33
I mean..sure, not hard.
I just cba doing emmisaries or islands.
timid jay
ARENT ISLANDS FUN?
ionic fern
Fun and competitive repeatable content.
ionic fern
They are a big yawn from me.
sick sentinel
there is a secret way to make them fun
ionic fern
Is it not doing them?
sick sentinel
you get items from the vendor and you mail them to alts
and then you do like an island from items from like 5 different weeks
and you are a GOD
strong forum
Haven't done islands since 8.0 and only do emissary like once a week
So idk how you can get 50 on an alt without slamming every other day
Literally only do m+ and raid so I only get like 2k ap a week
Ofc it's not hard, coulda gotten 50 2 months ago but why bother it's boring
sand relic
whats the best piece to go for from the residue vendor
i have all 400ilvl right now
but which piece gives me the best odds
does any 1 kno
for tanking
mostly m+
willow scarab
Damn you guys are lazy
willow scarab
my main was 50 over a month ago and my alt is 47 from islands and doing a heroic clear each week
sand relic
@sick sentinel
so what u think i should go for from the vendor
I linked u my current pieces
honest canopy
"CUS SHANANIGANS"
sick sentinel
sec
sick sentinel
no
sand relic
i was told dc is best for m+
well ragardless which should i be using and which piece should i try to get from the vendor ?
sand relic
are my helm and chest good im guessing
sick sentinel
you roll chest last because you have BoM on it
3/6 helms have BoM
but 4/6 shoulders have BoM
sand relic
sick sentinel
so you have more changes to get a good piece
sand relic
is this good 1
sand relic
is thta a good piece for m+
silk mortar
There are better ones
sand relic
yes
sick sentinel
this is literally bis for fury
sand relic
ok so this is my current setup should i change anything else ? https://gyazo.com/87b8f697e52d39103daa2cb6b7b167c2
i do play fury but i tank keys more cause its alot easier to find groups
@sick sentinel
sand relic
o ok
so nothing else i should change
what mythic pluses should i spam
to get trinkets
for tanking
livid totem
for those questions, I think you can check out in wowhead and pins
livid totem
never liked icy veins
sick sentinel
well wowhead is not good for prot tho
livid totem
to each their own :p
sick sentinel
no like, it has wrong information
livid totem
Either way, I'm pretty we can agree one of those website will be more than enough for him to answer his own questions :p
mental scarab
@sand relic atal waycrest and underrot
coral jasper
Vial isn't BAD if there is nothing better ... .you could be like me and get the trinket from Tortalan Seekers 415 socket + avoidance 😛
Actually this is prot it's really good is it not? To combo with Avatar etc?
topaz sparrow
How much haste is "enough"
limpid kite
[200% and with avatar u can do the 👏 rotation (hero+ToS last boss buff)] Just memeing, there is no haste cap, go for ilvl for survival and 
for dps
north dove
how long is the sylvannas war campaign?
i just started back up, did the Darkwood world boss last night
strong forum
I have 1.7k haste, there isn't enough haste
It's by far the best stat that scales infinetely cuz rage gain + dmg
The more haste you have the more Value you get out of AM due to rage. So haste = cdr
lime mantle
I’d say 35% pre into the fray is perfect amount of haste
final mist
Haste is the strongest stat until you get like
234.6%
But just get highest ilevel anyways
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
what is that number now
final mist
I pulled a random number outta my ass because everyone else likes to, ya feel
Point being that numbers don’t matter, go for ilevel, stat caps don’t exist
sick sentinel
just say 200%, where you can thunderclap every single GCD lmao
sand egret
its closer to 235.77%, repeating of course.
modern brook
Why are yall making gearing hard
😠
just put the gear on
its bis
we've done it
honest canopy
FRIENDS
I JUST GOT KICKED OUT OF MY GUILD
and removed from discord
etc
Without notice or anything
sick sentinel
what did you do lmao
civic oriole
guilty. 
autumn pendant
You scum
honest canopy
After 90 pulls on mekka of flawless tanking and dps beeing fkn bad and 55 pulls on SW where we had ppl dying at boats every pull over and over, while i was flawless (no joke, i actually was) , I one time died at the pier when the add died at my back (didnt see it) , got the orb and wiped us, while hafl raid was dead, and RL raged at me
1 mistake in 10 weeks
autumn pendant
Your prob deserved it!
honest canopy
😄
autumn pendant
Well
honest canopy
"Some weeks later, it is evident that Nikkj hasn't changed. He has diminished the positive raid atmosphere we have worked so hard to cultivate. Moreover he has belittled individual raiders, causing one to quit raiding with us. "
😄
sick sentinel
you were saying
honest canopy
Half our roster now msg me
sick sentinel
that you were getting angry at your raid
honest canopy
saying they gonna quit raiding
sick sentinel
???
honest canopy
I argued one time
modern brook
get banned nerd
autumn pendant
BFA did it again
honest canopy
that it was very bad of them to accept ppl failing over and over again
sick sentinel
being negative also counts
honest canopy
but when i got the orb by mistake, when i couldnt even see it
I was there 100% of the raids for 10 weeks
allways positive, allways trying to do my best, finding sollutions to problems
no joke 😄
Its alrite
I can just quit the game now, atleast i got CE and Mount
civic oriole
Is Callous worth taking over a second incite the pack? I have this weird low level Azerite armor combination, which forces me to make weird trait choices.
Is there a clear choice which of the two traits would be best, or if I should have 1 of each or even stack one of them instead?
modern brook
??
why the fuck do you have a first incite the pack
But yes; as a direct answer to your question
honest canopy
@oblique garnet Can I join your guild as a social?
modern brook
#268491842637660160 's guide has a whole list and ranking on azerite and what you should consider when selecting it
i highly suggest giving that a read through
civic oriole
Cause the other choice is a second deafening crash. And I'd have to replace a bloodsport or brace for impact for it
It's hard to put into words. when you have 3 different pieces where you ahve multple slots you could potentially swap out.
modern brook
I mean
civic oriole
yeah. tier list doesnt really help, when there are slots where different rings are competing with each other
not that familiar with prot yet.
modern brook
A ranking priority sounds like the kind of thing that would help with this; but I got some time to kill so fuck it
The general idea behind prot traits:
Prot traits are fucking amazing
all of them
very few instances where taking generics over the others is a smart look
obviously you know 1 dc is a go to
3x Bom is a favorited stack
CR and BS are the most meh, but only a couple of generics will beat them still just due to RNG
CR DR% will stack
uhhhh
sick sentinel
I would take most things over a bloodsport tbh but that's just me
civic oriole
Ah okay. I that really helps, cause I didnt know if the spec specific ones were also the best to go for in any case.
modern brook
I mean
Its a little deeper then that
but when it doubt take the prot option
@sick sentinel I'm getting into that same boat tbh
luckily i dont have to make that sacrifice
civic oriole
Yeah it probably is, but since I'm not really endgearing here and just trying to get a better grasp at evaluating this, this is already going in the right direction for me I'd say.
modern brook
seriously give the icy veins guide a read through
civic oriole
So it already helps me a lot. Thanks.
modern brook
the author did a great job breaking down everything about the traits
namely why you take them over other stuff
etc
civic oriole
Yeah I did, but it can be kinda hard, when you cant really put it into perspective at times. It helps understanding what they do, how they work, but not really how to compare them with each other.
Well, some of them do different things, but I hope you get what I meant to say.
@sick sentinel Would you mind sharing why? I see that it only increases the IP "buffer size", and the Leech is probably unnoticeable. Cant really tell what situations it would be particularly good in.
civic oriole
I already noticed this with the stats on the gear. It seems like a lot of stats are very close together when it comes to value. As opposed to other specs.
oblique garnet
@honest canopy ???
sand egret
a big thing to consider is the overall value of the trait. Take Bloodsport. It provides a larger Ignore Pain, a good benefit against Magic Damage (which in general is a weakness for all tanks to varying degrees). However, it stops there. Compare that to say BoM which provides defensive (Block/Crit Block Chance) and offensive value to Avatar. BoM is considererd the de-facto Trait for M+ because you get SO much value out of it. So when looking at traits, look at what you want to gain from them first.
Bring that back to something like Brace for Impact. Block Rating is a consistent defensive boon with the added bonus of a ST increase, lot of value on that one as well
Some people gear 3x Deafening Crash in M+ for purely damage (the extension component doesn't stack) because they are actively choosing to not bother with defense because they feel they don't need it.
civic oriole
Yeah these are the kind of obvious choices I could get from the guide. But what about say: 1 bloodsport vs a second callous reprisal? I dont really know how much I'm really gonna use revenge in m+, cause i'm always thinking: i'm probably gonna spend my rage on defense, rather than offense. so i cant really tell what to do.
sand egret
you kinda just answered your question, no?
civic oriole
i mean that's what I'm thinking. doesnt mean it's right what i'm thinking ^^
but yeah, like you said above. it probably is the better choice to have one, cause magic dmg mitigation is limited.
onyx vessel
Prot nerfs kick the warrior tanks
limpid scarab
?
onyx vessel
F
sand egret
I would keep the bloodsport for raiding and CR for M+ stuff. Rationale: CR is something that gets value when you maintain the stacks (while also providing a moderate dps increase), which is harder to do in a Single Target scenario vs M+ where rage/procs are a plenty. On the other hand, Bloodsport may provide you added benefit against magic damage in encounters, which may alleviate your healers. The key is just to look at what's going to hit you in the face. Also note that for CR, both the damage and the % reduction stack (so 4.5% at 3 stacks with 3xCR). @civic oriole
honest canopy
@limpid scarab So tought it was a gucci idea that i joined your crew instead of quit the game
😄
limpid scarab
oh oki
ionic fern
😂
oblique garnet
@honest canopy We arent exactly looking for tanks or recruiting socials
honest canopy
I cant raid evenings anyway, i am just bored. Qutting the game.
willow scarab
Didn't you just come back like a month ago
honest canopy
Naw
drifting pewter
in terms of sockets, i've seen crit and haste being used. In general which is better to socket? or is there like a crit min cap im missing here
drifting pewter
oh I see
lime wing
sup guys, just got a 410 servant splitter (https://www.wowhead.com/item=159660/servant-splitter&bonus=4776). Is it worth to use? I should I keep my 400 weapon that has secondary stats?
hollow root
hm, tradewinds for the occasional 1k mastery or iron fortress that increases block by 529?
like, that's a lot of fucking mastery from tradewinds
steel mauve
@lime wing use servent splitter, ilvl is big on weapons and secondaries arent worth as much since the stat squish
lime wing
@steel mauve ok! thank you!
versed widget
hey guys, is a second deafening crash trash? i have yikes azerite traits, so do i take like iron fortress after my first deaf crash?
willow scarab
Depends what kind of content you're doing
second crash adds very little to your ST damage and no defensive bonus but it is good for aoe damage
iron fortress is good defensively in raid and m+
fallen rose
dose Deafening Crash stack now as i see a lot of hight M+ players have more than 1 stack?
willow scarab
I wish that was Frostmourne Alliance so I could cop a free token or few
honest canopy
Also have like 5.5m on silvermoon alliance
willow scarab
DC stacks yes
fallen rose
shit when did that change
willow scarab
before I started playing this xpac in december
final mist
The DS extension on DC does not stack.
magic mesa
It stacks, though there's hardly the need to stack it. One is enough.
final mist
The only thing that stacks on DC is the damage, which is why Prot M+ tanks stack it.
ionic fern
^
versed widget
sorry im doing m+ i should have said
final mist
It’s purely DPS after the first one, and while it’s large, if you’re looking for defensive traits, grab something else.
You only need one defensively.
ionic fern
We're fine as it is with all the physical damage that's coming our way.
The only relevant damage that can hurt us is magic/bleeds/poisons.
And on high enough keys you will be LoS/Interrupting all/most of the dangerous casts or you'll get gimped regardless of your defensive traits.
fallen rose
ye i have 1 in raid gear and 1 in M+ gear but i am going to up it ot 3 in M+
magic mesa
Yeah, but DPS is not the first priority. So I'd recommend only to stack DC if you're sure that you don't need any more tankiness/there's no better option
ionic fern
No defensive trait will save you from bad play.
fallen rose
that is what CDs are for
final mist
We have enough defensive shit in our toolkit that you should “generally” be fine stacking it, so long as you trust your healer and are confident in your own play, up to a certain key.
CDs won’t save you from playing badly.
ionic fern
^
final mist
Especially since our CDs are proactive, not reactive.
fallen rose
either will 1 trait
ionic fern
It's legit up to you if you want to stack it or not.
THe first stack of DC is the biggest DPS increase. The extra 2 are smaller in terms of damage provided but still as far as AoE DPS goes it's best to stack DC.
winter aspen
If the 3500 ios are stacking it so should you
magic mesa
No
final mist
The one trait is a massive defensive increase, but sure, it won’t save you - what’s your point? You should still have one defensively.
winter aspen
IF is small, BS is shit
final mist
You just also need to not play like shit.
willow scarab
It comes down to skill and play style ultimately
winter aspen
+IP and some leech no thx
willow scarab
Don't copy what 3500 players are doing because you're not a 3500 player
magic mesa
They have a far more advanced playstyle than most, they can afford to leave out some spare health for misplays
willow scarab
If you were, you wouldn't ask us what to stack
ionic fern
Okay, listen.
There is NO defensive trait that will save you if you play shit.
final mist
Warrior is the worst tank if you play badly. So much of our toolkit relies on knowing what to do when, and not being reactive, that it’s hilarious how huge the gap is between a good warrior and a bad warrior.
magic mesa
True, but traits might give you the 1 sec you need to react to use your CD's, which pro players don't need
final mist
You should never be in that situation to begin with
ionic fern
You don't "react"...if you have to react you misplayed somewhere.
final mist
If you are, you already failed
ionic fern
Literally we are built around proactive play with all of our CD's in mind.
final mist
Warrior relies heavily on knowing which packs do what, when, and preparing and using CDs effectively to mitigate that as such
ionic fern
If fails happen then you can't get yourself up regardless. Then you just have to kite & wait til the healer recovers you.
neon tangle
(3500io also doesn’t mean you’re the best warrior tank, a lot of being at that tank involves planning the dungeon as a whole, CD rotations, routes, etc)
fallen rose
i have been playing war for years so i know what i am doing i just did not realise the Deafening Crash stacked even though is obvious that the damage would stack
neon tangle
You can gear poorly, take the wrong traits, etc still
sick sentinel
@winter aspen IF is big
what do you mean
it gives a bunch of surv
and like half the damage of a DC
which is pretty good
willow scarab
half the damage of a dc pog
neon tangle
@willow scarab I mean good in what dimension
willow scarab
it doesn't work like that
fallen rose
you dont need to prove you are good as long as you can do the content that you are happy with
willow scarab
no i need the ego of orange numbers to keep me interested in the game
fallen rose
lol
sick sentinel
I mean overal in a dungeon @willow scarab
willow scarab
big ::doubt::
analog zinc
what slot should I buy azerite for? All my pieces are pretty bad
analog zinc
my guild plans on starting mythic alt runs as soon as we get jaina down if that changes anything
winter aspen
Head and shoulders are mostly trash in raid
analog zinc
aight thats morth
neon tangle
@analog zinc what professions? Eng has a decent helm too
fallen rose
@analog zinc you can tank Champions just tank as normal and then use SR after the hammer channel and you stack will reset
analog zinc
yeah champs is easy but you can't pug opulence & onwards
fallen rose
mah engineering hat is good enough
pliant karma
just got 385 shoulder with BoM and Callous reprisal. I have 375 shoulders with Iron Fortress and deafening crash. It's the only piece with crash I have, shall I take the 385 shoulders or should I stick with my 375?
analog zinc
& it's pretty hard to find a group that'll even want to go past champs
fallen rose
buy shoulders make engineering hat and kill Champions
fair rose
is 10ilvl worth 1 BoM?
winter aspen
I wonder how high IOs deal with tyrannical motherlode and Fortified Zul. Do you hearth and change sets+talents or what ?
busted magic dmg in general
analog zinc
play demon hunter
winter aspen
and flop dead on trash autos
analog zinc
only if you're bad
question, how is Block scaling? The other day I noticed I had 29% block chance & 49% block rating, now it's at 27% / 47%
honest canopy
Maybe i could play on a late night us guild
As @umbral forge suggested
Any one know If Boa stuff carried over
Like mounts n such If I pop a us licens on my bnet acc
final mist
@analog zinc Block Chance is different from Block Rating. BR is essentially a second Armor stat, BC is your chance to actually block.
honest canopy
Then, everyone
final mist
BR scales with enemy level (so you have 49% block DR against an enemy of the same level as you; more if you critically block).
signal plover
Are u dying?
honest canopy
Gl with your future and remember
umbral forge
@honest canopy its not that big a deal
By the end of BfA your RNA collection will be old enough for you to play at night again
honest canopy
Naw
You know i have all my t3 vanilla shit still etc
Titles n such from tbc wotlk bla bla
Gerosh shoulders, all raid mounts except mimirons
(including jaina now). Just to much of a hassle.
Tell @lusty grotto Ghas etc il miss ya all. To painful to stay here, The game was The best for me. Have fun!
analog zinc
but how does that 49% chance? What stats affect what the number is? That's what I can't figure out
oblique garnet
@analog zinc mastery affects block chance but you get guaranteed block chance by using shield block and last stand talented into bolster
analog zinc
so mastery effects block chance & rating? Ok thanks
would y'all recommend running Bloodsport or Blood Rite for mythic+?
final mist
@small idol Mastery doesn’t effect rating - there’s block rating on your shield (and some azerite traits increase it)
The only things Mastery increases are block chance, critical block chance, and attack power.
amber cosmos
[Filthy Transfusion] or [Iron Fortress] for m+ 15-17
sick sentinel
IF
ebon hound
I'd take Iron Fortress
ivory barn
would anyone like to hlep me try to get a +10 done as a Prot warrior. I'm 408 with bad weapons https://gyazo.com/2f6fde585189cb73e6d0def3bb238df3 my IO is mostly DPS. so i cant get into +10's at all anyt reccomendations on how to get my prot side higher IO?
ebon hound
Yes, practice prot more until you have the confidence to do +10. Your gear is more than capable.
sand egret
Just tank your own key as Prot. Your gear isn't hold you back, it's confidence/practice.
It looks like you already did a +10 UR in time as prot last week (or at least the same affixes) as well....
ivory barn
that was a wehile ago
amber cosmos
thanks @sick sentinel @ebon hound what i chose anyway 😉
lapis gust
does anyone have some not obvious facts on tanking cabal ? we're about 40 pulls in and best pull is like 23 % (1 storm done, wipe before 2nd) but most pulls are around 40% - we already use tanks to soak. just trying to see if there is something else we coud do to help as tanks (that fight is so boring as tank <.< )
analog zinc
heroic? I think it's a super fun fight, only did it on my dh tho
distant crystal
isn't that fight pretty much all about getting kicks/dispels handled properly
distant crystal
i'm guessing he means mythic but i think it's prob similar
lusty grotto
oh nikkj quit or something? 😢
shut summit
Not really anything you can do as tank aside from covering interrupts, rest is just waiting for every1 else to not fuck up @lapis gust
Maximizing dps obv but ye
lapis gust
ye already doing that paladin co tank grabbing the buff to dps and then me later on when he has the boss longer
exotic spoke
It’s like opulence in that ill be raging at my raid team fucking up because it’s super easy to tank 😦
sick sentinel
non-elites in the brd room won't bursting right? temple of sethralis
astral arrow
what do i do vs masterminds from motherlode?
sick sentinel
how do you mean?
sick sentinel
you can spell reflect iirc
stone imp
Rotate CDs
astral arrow
oki
sick sentinel
i don't mind them too much
astral arrow
fair i just feel like i get shit on
stone imp
Try not to kill 3 at a time
astral arrow
ye
sick sentinel
it's those feckless assistants with the blowtorch
stone imp
that's interruptable, at least
astral arrow
ye
sick sentinel
i just try to SR and IP the masterminds
lusty grotto
i personally double death skip so i don't do masterminds anymore
i know a lot of people do as well
sick sentinel
much as i like the MDI i'm not overly concerned with copying them verbatim
lusty grotto
not really an MDI thing
the fact is that if a masterminds ends up in sanguine you will lose a lot of time
i started double death skipping in s1 anyway
lusty grotto
people did it before it came to light on MDI
sick sentinel
and pump IP
and then you can wall one
at the start of the week i tried to do a ml 9 or 10 or some shit didn't make it past first 2 pulls, bestkeystone had it at 28% completion rate
stone imp
Assuming you're talking sanguine week still, that's rarely a terrific week for ML!!
lusty grotto
yeah ML has a lot of space for sanguine but masterminds aint part of it
stone imp
Even skipping, if you're clearing 80+% in the crapopolis, it's still crummy
Kiting is a pain since they're pretty densely packed
and the robots channel casts
small mistakes add up
lusty grotto
you gotta tunnel peacekeepers hard
they should be the first thing to either die or kite accordingly
i have a question though
@sick sentinel maybe you know
but how exactly do you pull the nimbus into merektha's room
sick sentinel
you climb on the bones
lusty grotto
do you need a pet class or a mage?
sick sentinel
demon hunters have it easier
sick sentinel
@umbral forge https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523056627348406294/580463955705593871/unknown.png
umbral forge
what a racist.
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel 🤔
sick sentinel
nice mog
lusty grotto
🤔
sick sentinel
lyla was telling me that you get more loot with a slutmog
open bluff
i mean
more likely to be traded drops by lonely random guys on the interwebs with slutmog
lusty grotto
yup
lusty grotto
tf
sick sentinel
i have no idea, im leveling up my warrior 😛
lusty grotto
#268491842637660160 icy veins guide
sick sentinel
ok ty
short tree
Guys honest Question Betwen Prot Warrior and Blood DK whats easier for a Casual doing mostly M+ content ?
sand egret
currently, Prot
open bluff
depends on your definition of "easier"
if you mean "easier time clearing," prot; if you mean "easier to play," blood
short tree
easier to play
neon tangle
@oblique garnet my rogue is only like 24k ST 😦
oblique garnet
OOF
neon tangle
prot warrior damage is totally fine
oblique garnet
i have 410 weapon : )
neon tangle
and... still too much mastery
neon tangle
part of that ilvl is held up w/ 2x 425 mastery pieces
neon tangle
gimme dagger plz
oblique garnet
i was watching naowh stream this week
neon tangle
Been in assa loot spec for weeks w/o a dagger
oblique garnet
they had assa rogue pumping 50k overall dps in 23
neon tangle
it'll prolly be even better next patch
w/ the wits nerf
I will be a little sad to lose gouge tho
such an absurdly useful ability
oblique garnet
yup
and garrote makes me want to kill a rogue
everytime i want to spell reflect the first they cant hold the fucking garrote
because i could potentially get 2 spell reflects with one and it would do more
neon tangle
between the eyes is pretty shit for tanks in that sense too
oblique garnet
yup
neon tangle
Still not a huge fan of having a stun as part of your core rotation
sick sentinel
I am getting really tired of between the eyes
especially this week
I wanna shockwave into DH stun to drop necrotic stacks
and there is that stun DRed guy
neon tangle
I try and be less horrible by rotating it through the group, or keeping it on a caster / shooting person
but it's annoying regardless
sand egret
imho rogue stuns/feral stuns that require CP to pull off should be on their own DR or non-DR'd in PvE. Cooldown based ones are one thing, but for Between the Eyes or Main (with Iron Jaws) that becomes part of the rotation it seems silly to punish for that usage.
distant crystal
would be a huge buff to outlaw
sand egret
Kinda sucks trying to open up as a Feral with Rake immediately putting a mob on DR
and all rogues mostly
but hey, i'd rather see a rogue picked for a group due to their tools than just because their a blade flurry bot
lusty grotto
the only way they would do that is if they could split DRs in pvp
because as it is
there's no way im going to agree with that
lusty grotto
right
DRs are different timing wise in pvp but they are still on their own brackets
sand egret
yeah, those would be maintained for sure. This is a specific PvE state to NPCs
lusty grotto
it would be nice to have pve-wise but the technical challenge for blizzard to make sure the DR groups stay the same in pvp might be too much :p
sand egret
which really just means select abilities are exempt from the rule
they already have the auras set up for pvp
neon tangle
They could also just like, tune the abilities around it being off of DR
sand egret
which check for player
neon tangle
like make the stun 2s instead of 4s
sand egret
that's another solution sure
shadow timber
bastion of might or meticulous scheming
neon tangle
definitely BoM
distant crystal
over errthang except maybe your first DC
lusty grotto
for M+ only
sand egret
yeah, warbringer is basically the example itself
lusty grotto
right and what was their answer to that?
undone sun
Warbringer 😭
distant crystal
what are you picking over BoM in raid?
lusty grotto
because a rogue having BTE/CS off stun dr would absolutely fuck people up in arena for example
sorry i meant KS
CS is the opener of course
sand egret
this isn't a pvp-based change nor is it a universal flag like Warbringer
neon tangle
"this is only for PvE" "This is a specific PvE state to NPCs" "in PvE." - @sand egret
sand egret
i dunno why you keep bringing up PvP lol
lusty grotto
because given blizzard's history with DRs
they will absolutely not make that change to be pve only
lusty grotto
i brought warbringer up precisely to illustrate that
lusty grotto
and i'm addressing specifically the whole "stun being off stun diminishing returns"
just make them not stun
that's it
move the stun to a different spell maybe
sand egret
and i'm addressing the fact that stuns can be on different DRs. I'm only suggesting they do it for PvE (which they can and do in different ways currently)
mobs don't DR on slows, for example
shadow timber
blightborne infusion or callous repraisal?
sand egret
or roots
distant crystal
blightborne
neon tangle
anyhow, I'd be all about not fucking up DR on stuns with my rotation
even if that came at a small cost (reduced stun duration or something)
lusty grotto
openers are a different story than BTE/KS blade
do you really need openers stunning in pve anyway?
and rake is a very specific example because
sand egret
The difference between Warbringer and KS/Maim/BTE is that Warbringer is tied to Charge/Intercept
specifically
lusty grotto
i know that
sand egret
its use-case is that it can be used for a stun OR mobility
however, the user has no choice in that
lusty grotto
what's your point
sand egret
both happen. that's why they didn't punish the user for having the stun out
because its counter-intuitive play
in the case of BTE, it's got one use
fallen rose
how good is Idol of Indiscriminate Consumption for M+
sand egret
Rake is also a similar example because of the DoT component being primary but unforunately coming at the cost of a stun DR
warm plinth
It's a very strong defensive trinket @fallen rose and decent damage.
fallen rose
thought so
neon tangle
does KS have some damage component Im' missing?
sand egret
the talent
lusty grotto
prey on the weak?
sand egret
yar
lusty grotto
doesnt work if you cant stun the target
neon tangle
I'm pretty OK with that remaining on the DR for stuns tbh
sand egret
would suck if that mob got DR'd
lusty grotto
it does suck if the mob gets DR'd
but rake at least works if the mob gets DR'd and or bosses, iirc
sand egret
yeah, so its better in that sense
warm plinth
Rake is kind of a weird case though isn't it? Because it only stuns if used from stealth
sand egret
but the trade off is that you can't stun it when you want to later. at the expense of that early damage
warm plinth
The general use of it doesn't stun
lusty grotto
what about maim
warm plinth
Oh yeah
lusty grotto
but is it applied on DR?
neon tangle
maim/BtE/rake are the ones that really bother me, stuns as part of the core rotation
It's not so much about'Do I do less damage" but "does my rotation actively interfere with the rest of the group in m+"
lusty grotto
right so it seems we've been looking at it from wrong PoVs
warm plinth
Is Maim part of core rotation now? I thought you pretty much only used that if you needed a stun
lusty grotto
i mean you can add CS to it
since you can prey the weak to the opener
pumping your damage a bit
sand egret
yeah, my solution is to recategorize them along with others (like KS) to promote spec diversity. CC could be catergorized into AoE vs ST, with their own DRs, but split more across classes. My ideal world is that you have AoE CC for general mob control but can use ST CC to lock down more dangerous priority targets (also allows them to design priority targets cough beguiling cough)
so you can bring an AoE CC'er like a Frost Mage, but a Rogue for lock-down yada yada
(ideal world)
neon tangle
I'm less sold on PotW being the reason to take a stun off of DR, I feel like part of the choice there is whether to use the ST stun vs. AoE stuns, etc
sand egret
well part of the recategorization would be that KS isn't just a flat stun baseline
mostly to mitigate the feeling of it being an "empty" button press in a lot of ways
since you're spending CP on it, kinda like how Main has some damage built in.
lusty grotto
depends if KS is being weaved into combat by sub/assas (which i haven't played at all in BFA)
BTE is
sand egret
i'm not speaking int he current world
lusty grotto
but KS i'm not sure at all
anyway i'm not sold on classes being season dependant
i hate it actually
sand egret
not really season dependent
lusty grotto
i'd rather they'd be use for them in all seasons
sand egret
it's just an example of any mob that is a priority target
which has/does/and will exist in the rest of WOW
lusty grotto
no i get what youre saying
sand egret
i like how season allow different classes to rise to the top
sand egret
funny, the flipside screams bad gameplay
neon tangle
I'm torn, I do like that it keeps stuff "fresh" and you have to reevaluate what you're doing
sand egret
it's a line for sure
neon tangle
it... does suck when you invested bunch in a toon and can't bring it to anything tho
lusty grotto
yeah that's kind of what i meant sadbox
outer dew
I think y'all forget
sand egret
but like take like Earth Elemental.
outer dew
Most of the common populace is doing 10-15 keys
neon tangle
implying I'm not doing 10-15 keys
lusty grotto
of course
outer dew
For most people, class comp doesnt matter
sand egret
a normal pretty cool cooldown that turned into an amazing cooldown due to reaping
distant crystal
eh
outer dew
Scrub
neon tangle
I'm p bad
distant crystal
class comp matters for all key levels
sand egret
hard disagree
distant crystal
unless you're just, doing keys that are easy for you
then yeah nothing matters
but there's a reason people are doing the key level they're doing
neon tangle
@outer dew I didn't know about the mechanics around blind/paralysis aggro stuff
distant crystal
and if the key is hard for your group, then class comp matters
neon tangle
that made someone VERy angry
outer dew
@@neon tangle you're a troll
distant crystal
it doesn't matter if it's a 10 that's hard or a 25 that's hard
outer dew
Lmao
sand egret
the key can be hard, because of many things not relevant to the classes played
aka
players suck
regardless of their class
thus it's "hard"
outer dew
No, but if you're struggling in a 10. Theres much more things you can improve on yourself vs class
outer dew
Could time a +10 all doing 15k dps
neon tangle
@outer dew Im' not even joking :/ I just honestly never did a skip like that
outer dew
@neon tangle should of just went alliance and NE
(:
In hindsight. Could probably time 10s doing 10k overall on everyone
Would be fucking miserable
But at that point should you be catering to people who hard struggle like that
A rogue doesnt matter if he doesnt bring shroud, isnt a cc bot, isnt pumping large damage with reaping
sand egret
It's probably more accurate to say that class comp matters more the higher keys you go, and the inverse being true as well.
outer dew
The rogue doesnt become mandatory when if you're struggling to play your class anyway
sand egret
But is ultimately subject to the person behind the keyboard
outer dew
Now an interesting argument is that the people who are playing classes that are meta tend to be better
Could be true
sand egret
yeah, it does feed into itself.
outer dew
Because people chase after comps and are willing to reroll
sand egret
why you tend to see stats skew towards meta picks
distant crystal
the GM of my previous guild had all tank classes at 120
with gear
and chose to play a veng dh
_>
sand egret
and?
outer dew
In the end he plays what he wants
sand egret
story was just getting good lol
sand egret
jelly
outer dew
I wasnt invited because I was a bear
Or mad ilvl
I was invited because I was friends and they knew my skill level could pilot it
What sometimes people tunnel in about
distant crystal
in the end he doesn't play anymore because his guild fell apart
outer dew
Is classes or comp or raider.io because that's only way you know anything about the stranger if you're pugging
If he wasnt able to pilot it, its his fault
But not a lot of things are challenging in raid atm
neon tangle
Roster boss is pretty challenging
outer dew
I can see plenty of fights VDH can get away with being VDH
Like burnout at this point of the expac is normal
lusty grotto
vdh does fine in a raid setting though
outer dew
I'm letting my sub expire and its w.e
potent spear
already messaged no spam
already messaged no spam
already messaged no spam
already messaged no spam
distant crystal
...
lusty grotto
🤷
oblique garnet
what is this
lusty grotto
😮
neon tangle
speaking of toxic, people need to start responding to my messages
so I can go raid with a new guild
undone sun
there should be spam protection
lusty grotto
oh
undone sun
he did the same in DG and got auto muted
lusty grotto
current guild not responding to your msgs?
oblique garnet
Tofu why are you calling me toxic?
undone sun
because im a depressing being
outer dew
Late, if someone was call you the second most toxic person, no one would be first
):
Thyme, why do you do this to yourself
Dont play wow, but throws yourself in DG
oblique garnet
Good im a humble man i dont want to be rated as number 1 : ))
neon tangle
@lusty grotto trying to message people recruiting for other guilds
lusty grotto
ah!
outer dew
Doesnt even deny the toxicity
oblique garnet
Ofc not i was so toxic i got banned in bfa so i moved on to classic 8)
neon tangle
current guild is on a break, and... I'm not super hopeful they will raid again
so new guild here I come
lusty grotto
i see i see
neon tangle
implying I'm a good rogue
neon tangle
I self deprecate a lot, I think I'm actually a good rogue
I'm a good BDK too
all the orange parses
oblique garnet
Yes im enjoying classic
lusty grotto
yuck
outer dew
That's nice
torpid solstice
Hey guys quick tip
oblique garnet
?
lusty grotto
wdym
oblique garnet
You go in and charge?
neon tangle
@outer dew But everyone is still playing BDK in raids
lusty grotto
you can also heroic throw
oblique garnet
You need to give more information on what you mean?
lusty grotto
^
oblique garnet
Any specific packs or
vocal skiff
I bet his group got wrecked by the combination of crushing slam and that other venomous frontal
oblique garnet
If youre talking about the packs before 3rd boss hop the fence on the area wherr the spotter is
lusty grotto
gotta love people that ask something and then ghost
mind fucks everyone lmao
scratches head what the f was he talking about
oblique garnet
I need something new to watch
lusty grotto
Barry
neon tangle
Barry
lusty grotto
watch Barry
undone sun
The Terror
neon tangle
oh shit
undone sun
Chernobyl
lusty grotto
Barry is so good
neon tangle
@lusty grotto that's right
lusty grotto
Chernobyl good thyme?
neon tangle
Gentleman Jack is pretty enjoyable so far
lusty grotto
looks interesting
sand egret
Hmm, I bet it's prob:
A) He's getting wrecked by Gut Shot (not sure how considering the slow on TClap completely mitigates this)
B) or they're somehow getting the little shits WITH the boss (bad cuz necro/sang week if they die in awkward spots?)
undone sun
yeah it's very good
lusty grotto
cool i'll give it a try
oblique garnet
Is barry on netflix?
neon tangle
American gods is decent but kinda slow
neon tangle
It remains slow in s2
oblique garnet
Huh guess i wont unsub my hbo then
lusty grotto
gotta check it out cause i was wondering when that would get continued
ive been recommended the expanse too so many times
neon tangle
@oblique garnet I realize I've said this like 3x, but Barry is honestly my favorite show out right now
I enjoyed this season WAY more than GoT/etc
oblique garnet
Ok sadbox gimme like a day and ill come back to you about barry
Oh nvm its only 30 min episodes
lusty grotto
ya
oblique garnet
Half a day
neon tangle
I'll say this: Noho Hank is the best TV character ever
neon tangle
He wasn't actually supposed to survive the pilot
but people loved him
and they went with it
lusty grotto
lol a good thing too
neon tangle
@oblique garnet No spoilers, he's just a character in the show
@lusty grotto seriously, go watch s2
Honestly better than s1
lusty grotto
i will
neon tangle
then both of you come back
oblique garnet
@neon tangle ok this has potential
lime mantle
OH SHIT
OH SHIT SHIT SHIT
I GOT A GOOD ITEM
FINALLY THE DIAMOND
it's not mythic but it's titan forg-
lusty grotto
gz!
lime mantle
Time to dust it.
worthy dagger
leech!
any trinket is good as long as you have leech for your siphoning prot war
lime mantle
so it's not that much of an upgrade, I just wanted to clown a bit because leech
But ams got told ilvl>all
405>400
worthy dagger
leech > ilvl
warm plinth
🗞
worthy dagger
fine ill stop
warm plinth
And also, the ilevel>all thing doesn't apply to trinkets
lime mantle
(if it wasn't clear I was clowning about, I'll probably switch between the two on ocasion)
ebon hound
funny way of expressing it
lime mantle
I'll prolly replace it back to block quickly because I am not that sold on it
worthy dagger
ive actually seen people replacing higher level gear for leeching
lime mantle
And honestly there is no gameplay difference between one or the other as they're passive
neon tangle
@lime mantle what's your other trinket
lime mantle
@neon tangle rezan 400 with socket, 400 block, 405 prism plus socket and leech (huge downside)
I mostly will wear it a few days because "i got new item I wanna wear my new item reeee"
oblique garnet
Leech is not a downside
neon tangle
why is leech a downside
lime mantle
Because if I heal myself then the healer can dps.
sick sentinel
LOL
lime mantle
if healer dps then mob die faster then i do less damage because mob die faster
:braingalaxy:
oblique garnet
Thats true
lime mantle
I am always right, in my own, strange and stupid way.
As said, I am happy of finally getting an "upgrade" even if it's very much a side grade and not that great, now I can put it on when the healers cry "the tank dun wear tank trinks >>>>>:"
strong forum
I wish for a time where tank trinkets are actually good
That act like an external CD and not a heal
Or smth useful other than a shield
sick sentinel
I would use it over rezan;s fuck it
oblique garnet
Rezans is overrated anyways
sick sentinel
I missed it
when I got rid of it
but then I realized that getting rid of both rezans AND OP at the same time made it noticeable
I got OP back and I was okay
honest frigate
I love rezans
strong forum
I wish I had a higher vial or butchers, they're only 400 while every other trinket is 415
winter aspen
Deathbringers will PepeHands
bright pagoda
how big does my weapon enchant matter for tanking? im not doing anything crazy, probably m+ but like 5s and 8s max. ive never stepped foot into heroic BoD let alone BoD. but i did get a heroic socketed prism trinket and a 370 something weapon after weeks of having a 350 timewarped one. did a dps sim and it wanted haste for dps obv, was like a 2k dps gain
stalwart vs maybe versatility? or mastery might be the not so good one even though its more block
oblique garnet
Haste
Its not more block
That is just not true
Mastery gives you block chance
Not block
sick sentinel
you ALWAYS go quick navigation
it's big
actually, I'mma hit you with the famous
@bright pagoda check pms
neon tangle
@sick sentinel I want to see what you’re always sending people
@outer dew carry me to CE plz
On your big bear shoulders
neon tangle
We better hurry then
oblique garnet
Tofu you gonna join me on classic?
sick sentinel
is late also going classic?
sick sentinel
I know
oblique garnet
I wasnt expecting it to be
But actually having to work for your levels and quests being hard etc are surprisingly alot of fun
sick sentinel
that hurts
sand egret
come again
sick sentinel
having only 1 bom
it doesn;t nessesarily hurt you
but you don;t hurt anybody either
sand egret
i'm confused what your point is
sick sentinel
that it feels bad having 1 bom :C
sand egret
yeah, but now I have too
two*
which is actually the same piece I was wearing but now at 415
oblique garnet
Nah 1 bom is good 8)))
sand egret
20 TR short of my next buy .....grrrrr
oblique garnet
Sell one of your piece