protection

[oblique garnet]

I didnt play

[outer dew]

I've been just playing games on my ps vita

Lma9

[sand egret]

haha see not as good as the guy who we jebaited with the FH key

[oblique garnet]

I was 8 when classic came lmao

[lusty grotto]

haha

[warm plinth]

And? XD

[sand egret]

then pulled teh ol' switch

[sick sentinel]

i was younger and i played it

[warm plinth]

I knew some 8-9 year olds back in the day. They were better players than I was.

[lusty grotto]

hey pal, sorry we're doing 9 UR

[sick sentinel]

i ran around like an idiot

[lusty grotto]

leaves

[sick sentinel]

and it was incredible

[warm plinth]

I was uh...17 when I started WoW

[sick sentinel]

well tbh if they just gave me a spiderman toy i think it would make the same impact xd

cause i was 5

[warm plinth]

I think. 2006? No, I was 18 since it was like October

[oblique garnet]

I was 10 when i started iirc

Didnt have pc

[sick sentinel]

my father played wow so i did aswell

[oblique garnet]

When classic was a thing

[sick sentinel]

good times

[warm plinth]

I was 18 fucking years old, and the thing I loved about the game more than anything else (and proceeded to do it for like the first hour) is that I could jump.

[sand egret]

whew

[warm plinth]

Because you couldn't jump in EQOA

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[warm plinth]

Which was my previous MMO

[lusty grotto]

you could jump in eq1 though

[outer dew]

Tbh

[sand egret]

i was happy there were no loading screens

[warm plinth]

EQ1 isn't EQOA

[lusty grotto]

ya i know

[outer dew]

I just played wc3 till Wrath

[lusty grotto]

must be a console limitation

[warm plinth]

EQOA took place 500 years before EQPC; they hadn't learned how to jump yet 😏

[lusty grotto]

too few buttons

[outer dew]

Only played WoW because if wrath just for TFT

[sick sentinel]

tbh i would like to see my action bars full of macros

[warm plinth]

But yeah I think it was just that they didn't have enough buttons

[sand egret]

vanilla came out right when I got into college

[sick sentinel]

good old macros

[lusty grotto]

shit

[sand egret]

had plenty of time to die miserably in the barrens

[sick sentinel]

but i think i will play rogue tho

[lusty grotto]

im officially older than blade

[sand egret]

haha

[lusty grotto]

we got our answers boys

[sand egret]

😁

[sick sentinel]

ancient xd

[warm plinth]

Old af

[sand egret]

i never said I was that old

[sick sentinel]

you must be like 60 man

what is this

xd

[lusty grotto]

so im officially the oldest one

[warm plinth]

Wait how old were you when classic came out Nim?

[lusty grotto]

christ

2nd year of college

[outer dew]

Wdym

[warm plinth]

Oh, that makes me the oldest one then

[outer dew]

Blade started college at 30

[lusty grotto]

wait what

[outer dew]

???

Come on mang

[lusty grotto]

😮

[outer dew]

Cant be just assuming age

[warm plinth]

Wait, am I doing math wrong? (probably)

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[outer dew]

Inb4 someone believes that's true

[warm plinth]

I think I'm doing math wrong.

[outer dew]

And I know when blade started college

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

well traditionally

[olive merlin]

Kind of a noob question here.. can someone explain snap spots? For instance someone mentioned the snap spots in AD for the Saurids. How do I learn more about this?

[warm plinth]

I was 15 when WoW came out I guess

[lusty grotto]

1st year of college is 17/18

traditionally...

[warm plinth]

Or no, 16

16

Final answer

[lusty grotto]

i def know people that got in at 16

[sand egret]

@olive merlin I'm assuming that term is used for spots where you can stand where they won't jump to you

[sick sentinel]

@olive merlin you just play hear it from other people watch streams

[sand egret]

but I'm not 100% on that

[sick sentinel]

there is one on shrine where you tp adds on yourself aswell

actualy 2 places in shrine

[warm plinth]

Snap spots are the areas you can go like on ledges or braziers where mobs can't get to you, so the mobs teleport to you

[sick sentinel]

one on WM aswell

[lusty grotto]

wait no 2004 is actually my third year of college

[warm plinth]

Pseudo-mass grip

[sick sentinel]

you will learn them as you go along

[sand egret]

ahh yeah, so places to fuck their pathing to force the teleport function

[warm plinth]

Wow you are old af

[lusty grotto]

fuck

[warm plinth]

What are you like 34? 35?

[lusty grotto]

yes

im 34 actually

[outer dew]

Tbh

What determines mob snapping to you vs you snapping to mob

[sand egret]

technically?

[lusty grotto]

like harlan snapping you

or shrooms in UR

[outer dew]

Well

Since I no play anymore

[oblique garnet]

Classic is actually more fun then retail😪

[lusty grotto]

those are the only 2 i know that snap you

[outer dew]

Dis you guys know you can snap the third boss of UR and avoid the mushroom mechanic entirely?

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet no 😠

[lusty grotto]

hax

[sand egret]

the short answer I believe is depedent on a) mob class and b) actual geo of the area

[sick sentinel]

tbh it might be cause just around do quests idk

it has been more then half of my life i cant remember

[lusty grotto]

fuck classic

[olive merlin]

I noticed all of the mobs in galvadst room in temple will teleport to you if you are on the stairs.

[sick sentinel]

yeah some adds who cant cast on you on weird spots will tp to you

[lusty grotto]

the easiest way is if mobs can't path to you directly

[sick sentinel]

if they dont cast on tank then you can make someone else stand on that place so they dont jump on him

[lusty grotto]

like the fountain at shrine

[sick sentinel]

you can bait it with healers or ranged players

fountain at shrine or water at shrine

saurid place for AD or jugger bait on AD

they tp you cause mechanics

[sand egret]

snapping is an anti-evade feature

[lusty grotto]

they def still do evade

[sick sentinel]

well if you use the spot make sure not to evade xd otherwise they probably reset which is big time lose

[sand egret]

it doesn't elimiate it

it's a protection

[sick sentinel]

if you jump on the place stay there

[sand egret]

particularly, snapping is more a thing in instances as things don't generally leash

since when you aggro you can't just run away and it fucks off

[olive merlin]

Very interesting.. need to find these spots

[sick sentinel]

you wont need those spots if you are not doing dangerous keys tho

maybe after 18s it is good to know

some helps just a bit some is just a must for real high keys

like baiting jugg in AD is a must at some point

otherwise oneshot if it charges

[olive merlin]

I'm just 13-15 guy rn

[sick sentinel]

well needs management while you can just ignore it

[sand egret]

they're pretty much P4 exploits, imho.

technical exploits that aren't worth addressing

[sick sentinel]

i dont like stuff that makes me feel like cheating tbh but little spots or tricks is fine

i just see them as stuff that you use small stuff

i mean the key is still hard as the way it is

if one spot made it %100 easier it would feel like exploit like big

for example temple exploit where you get the buff and come back with buff kill everything

[sand egret]

it's a spectrum so ultimately a call was made down the line that the reward vs the effort x the number of instances was at such a ratio that it isn't something to address

[oblique garnet]

I know classic is just running around doing quests

[lusty grotto]

i mean shrine 4th reap takes a million years so snapping is a way to cut down time, not that you need it anymore anyway but still

[sand egret]

it's kinda how you have to make those calls

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[oblique garnet]

But its more enjoyable than bfa right now

[lusty grotto]

gross

[sick sentinel]

yeah tbh to enjoy bfa you have to like m+ or raiding since nothing else to do

[lusty grotto]

id rather play other games

[sick sentinel]

and i like doing m+ sometimes chill sometimes push

[oblique garnet]

What other games

[sick sentinel]

if i didnt iwould quit insta

i just play single player games when i get bored

i started playing rage2

[sand egret]

classic is actually an rpg, again. Not a themepark. Honestly, totally different games at this point that it's like trying to compare BFA to like League of Legends

[sick sentinel]

i finished sekiro 2 weeks ago

yeah classic is a different game compared to retail

after cata game just changed so much

[oblique garnet]

I dont have any single player games that arent completed

[olive merlin]

I only like m+ really anymore.. I play my prot war and bdk.. and unfortunately bdk just takes an ass whoopin compared to war .. which is shame cause I like him

[sick sentinel]

and after that point it changed even more

and since legion game is really fast going from this fast back to classic will feel awkward

[sand egret]

over 15 years, the game had to change

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[sand egret]

just one of those things that at the end of the road, it looks REAL different when you look back

[sick sentinel]

cant blame blizzard imagine playing classic style wow for 15 years man

pulling 2 adds and dying cause you cant cast anything

[sand egret]

my fav fucking thing is the article about "not-a-bug" stuff in classic

like....yeah....Taurens WERE bigger

that's just how it was

[sick sentinel]

the game was built around role playing back then that was the big idea imo

right now its about being more enjoyable and more about game mechanics

having really interesting talents different items that had weird procs

[oblique garnet]

Only reason i dont like bfa right now

Is that i ran out of things to do

[sick sentinel]

but having some weird role playing stuff in retail would be so good aswell

specialy with items toys or mounts

but yeah bfa lacks content for this patch

if you play decent amount like 10-20 hours a week

[sand egret]

eh, it's got plenty of content imho. I think it's just that people want more of the content they like. As was stated before, if you only play for M+ it'll seem that way no matter how many pet dungeons they make.

[sick sentinel]

well i still do enjoy doing dailies if it is done well or farming mounts

[sand egret]

people's opinons, while valid, often reflect their limited, biased perspective on the game

[sick sentinel]

sometimes i wanted to world quests to farm argunites in legion and farmed mounts meanwhile so it made it look like it was worth my time

[oblique garnet]

Ok blade tell me what content do i have

I have every character at max

[sick sentinel]

now its artifacts to farm wq or islands

islands are so much RNG to get pets tmog items or mounts

[oblique garnet]

I raid 2 times a week do my weekly m+

I have capped neck on 2 characters soon 3

[sick sentinel]

whats the point having %1 drop chance on mount if you have to do a 20 min long content

[oblique garnet]

What do?

[sand egret]

Raids, PvP, WQs, Dailies, Alts, Mounts, Mogs, Pet Battles, M+ etc.

there's lore stuff too, side-quests

island mog stuff

yada yada

[honest canopy]

@oblique garnet you have plown in more time then mlste of the players out there

So prob you wnjlyed it a lot

[sick sentinel]

problem is that they forced people to get stuff

artifact is from islands only

[honest canopy]

Not really

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i do enjoy it

[sick sentinel]

gear is from m+ and raid only bla bla bla

[oblique garnet]

But right now im bored

[honest canopy]

Players forced players to get stuff to be accepted

[sand egret]

it's also entirely possible....that you may have actually done all you want in the game

[honest canopy]

Iv done 24 Islands

Littersly

Got 2 rank 50 necks

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much waiting on next patch

[sand egret]

getting bored of a game after playing it a lot is 100% totally natural and expected

[sick sentinel]

artifact farm is no problem at this point and i think its good they did that

you can get 50 with next to no farm

getting stuff naturaly is better then grinding the shit out of content like we farmed MoS before nighthold

[sand egret]

I'll tell you as a Dev myself, we very much expect players to quit after some point

[honest canopy]

MoS 🦐💕

[sick sentinel]

yeah its good to take breaks from game

its same for games like poe or diablo

[sand egret]

iif you think WoW is built around continuous play, you cray cray

[sick sentinel]

or new seasons in fps games

[sand egret]

it's the entire reason WoW is structured like it is

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but i have so much freetime right now and i dont have a job or anything other

[sick sentinel]

play single player games 😄

there are some good ones

[sand egret]

easy to drop, easy to get back in. Because instead of trying to compete with an increasingly growing market, they made it so they odn't have to

that's how you adapt over 15 years

[honest canopy]

Play daytime with me late

I need a new tank bud in 8.2

🙄

[sick sentinel]

tbh thats how mmos work more time you put more time game will require from you

[oblique garnet]

Nah i like the guild im in

[sick sentinel]

if you play 10 hours there will be stuff for you to do again

just logout when you want

[honest canopy]

Its not raiding daytime tho!

[sand egret]

I finally got around to playing Dead Cells, love it. Grinded the shit outta that this weekend

[oblique garnet]

Im not a person who can keep a sleeping schedule that allows me to daytime raid

[sand egret]

didn't touch wow all weekend

[honest canopy]

Dead Cells on switch?

[sand egret]

yeaaa

[honest canopy]

I was about to buy it

So disapointed with ffx

FFX was top 3 games for me. But it was pure nostalgia

[sand egret]

if you're a maso-gamer you'll love it

[honest canopy]

Its so bad 😪

[sand egret]

if not you'll HATE it

lol

[honest canopy]

Maso gamer?

[sand egret]

masochistic

[honest canopy]

Ahaha

I love bloodborn

[sand egret]

then yeah

[honest canopy]

Quite maso game

[sand egret]

right up your alley

when you die you start basically from scratch

[honest canopy]

Coolio

[sand egret]

some mechanics allow you to have shit persist through death

[honest canopy]

Any other Nice indie games on The switch?

[sand egret]

Cuphead is DOPE

if you like bullethells/contra style

[honest canopy]

There is so many i cant really get an overview

Contra is ok

I like topview shooters more tho

[sick sentinel]

cuphead is realy fun tbh

[honest canopy]

You know, f22 raptor etc

[sick sentinel]

hard challenging and good art design

[honest canopy]

Might check cuphead out

[oblique garnet]

Hard🤔

[sand egret]

ohhh yeah there's a few bullet-hells out there

[honest canopy]

Hows The sound?

[oblique garnet]

Learning patterns

[sand egret]

amazing

it's theme'd in a 1930s style

[oblique garnet]

Soundtrack in cuphead is amazing

[honest canopy]

Indie games really need Nice sound to kick my balls

[sand egret]

so it's got this amazing feel

[sick sentinel]

well tbh i expected the game to be really easy cause its cuphead

[honest canopy]

Cool

[oblique garnet]

And artstyle aswell

[honest canopy]

Il buy it

Mainly playing Tetris and odesseys on my switch with my daughter

[sand egret]

cuphead is also 2player co-op

😃

[oblique garnet]

Super mario odyssey?

[honest canopy]

Yeah

She likes to play cappy

And il Mario

Got tierd of MK8, since we played it a lot on wii u

[oblique garnet]

Have you gotten to 500 stars yet?

[honest canopy]

Naw. We just played it for The story to catch bowser.

[oblique garnet]

Yeah you get 2 new planets

[honest canopy]

Just resently we started to finish The small stores in each world

[oblique garnet]

One at 250 iirc and one at 500

[honest canopy]

Stories

[oblique garnet]

They have actually difficult dungeons

[honest canopy]

Aha

[lusty grotto]

i got the 500 stars

[honest canopy]

Won a Tetris game yet?

[lusty grotto]

i finally 100% spider-man on the weekend

now i only got sekiro, RE2 and apex

done with ps4 games until last of us 2 comes out

and the FF7 remake which i know will disappoint me due to the battle system alone

[honest canopy]

The FFX remaster..

The game is so slow

Idk how i could fall in such love with this game

[lusty grotto]

i liked 9, 10 and 13

6 and 7 of course

[honest canopy]

Ff7 was The first i played

[lusty grotto]

i hated 8 and whatever came after 13

[honest canopy]

It was cool

Then I did buy 10 to ps2 and omg it was so gucci

[lusty grotto]

finished them too the lightning one and the 4 dudes one, but goddamn i hated them

[honest canopy]

Never manage to best it. Got stuck at Anima

[lusty grotto]

im a completionist, so i did all of it

[honest canopy]

I figured i had skipped to much and was to low lvl

[lusty grotto]

grinding wasn't hard in that game

[honest canopy]

When i did best sawyer The forth time

No

But i was like 11 yold

[lusty grotto]

ya

[honest canopy]

And very impatiente

Gg spelling

12 maybe

And Counter strike was The bomb

Then came wow

💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕

[lusty grotto]

last cs i played was 1.7 when steam first came out

i havent felt the need to try CS:GO

[honest canopy]

1.6 no?

[lusty grotto]

1.6 yeah

[honest canopy]

Tought so

[lusty grotto]

but i played until 1.7

[honest canopy]

Didnt remmeber a 1.7

Aha there was one maybe

I tried csgo

Shit game

I was quite Pro in CS, or well... I won some swedish lans and such. Nothing fancy

500e was much back then tho

Lost intrest in CS when WoW and dota came into my life 🙄

[lusty grotto]

i havent touched dota2 in around 2 years

[honest canopy]

I love dota

[lusty grotto]

i quit when talents came out

not quit, just stopped playing

[honest canopy]

Its actually quite decent

[lusty grotto]

its still my favorite moba

[honest canopy]

I had a break for 1 year right when it came as well

[lusty grotto]

i cant stand LoL or HotS

[honest canopy]

I only play that as moba

Same

Tried aprox 2 games lol

Maybe 15 HotS

Played this asian one tho, on switch and Android

So ez when you are used to dota. Stomping p2w noobs

[lusty grotto]

lol

i bet

[neon tangle]

@honest canopy I thought hots had a lot of potential

I'm not a fan of games where I feel like the gameplay is working around quirks in the game/engine

e.g. Counterstrike

[sand egret]

do you like starcraft?

[neon tangle]

no real opinion, never played a ton of RTS anything

[sand egret]

street fighter?

both those games were born out of bugs/quirks in the engine 😃

[neon tangle]

street fighter (and most fighting games...) tend to be more towards the "engine quirks" side of stuff

[sand egret]

Deus Ex LAMS is my fav example

i'd argue almost every game has engine quirks 😃

like WoW!

[neon tangle]

I mean, it's bound to happen with any sufficiently old game, or a competitive enough of one

I guess it's subjective

[sand egret]

ahem

see: Fallout series

[neon tangle]

I think part of it is the obvious-ness of it, and how important it is to the gameplay

and... whether it's considered a "bug" or just a thing people learn to use

[sand egret]

soo, everthing Bethesda makes? 😆

[neon tangle]

e.g. I think last-hitting is a pretty weird mechanic, and it adds a lot of mechanical complexity to those games

[sand egret]

that's not a bug

[neon tangle]

but it's also pretty non-obvious, and... I feel like it's leaning in to quirks in the engine

right, I know it's not a bug

[sand egret]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

bunny hopping is prob the biggest exmaple

[modern brook]

how u gunna attack cs like this

[neon tangle]

Maybe one that's closer to home: the 5s casting rule from BC

Do you remember that?

[sand egret]

then again, you have rocket jumping in Unreal which is also almost defining to that game

you mean to deal with Spirit lock-out?

[neon tangle]

right

[lusty grotto]

yeah last hitting is def not a bug

but i get what youre saying

[sand egret]

we know lol

[lusty grotto]

ahem

rocket jumping was not an unreal thing

[oblique garnet]

Bunnyhopping and rocket jumping take insane amounts of skills to do

[lusty grotto]

it was born in quake

rocket jumping is fairly easy

combining it with bunny hopping is not

[sand egret]

yeah true

[viral adder]

what's up blood dk chan

[sand egret]

Quake 1 had it

[lusty grotto]

there were mods a while ago where speed was the key, quake had them

[sand egret]

anything that messed with the cheap physics hacks

[lusty grotto]

their goal was to train people to bunny hop, etc

[modern brook]

I'm going to hard disagree with sadbox

[lusty grotto]

back then it wasnt called bunny hop though

it was called strafe jumping

[modern brook]

bugs/engine quirks/etc defining gameplay is a good thing

[lusty grotto]

the term bunny hop arose from CS

[modern brook]

its the video game equivelent of kungfu

without it everyone's doing punch

and punch gets boring

but no we're doing spinning crane kicks

[oblique garnet]

Strafe jumping and bunnyhopping are not the same

[modern brook]

IDK what that is

its sick

[lusty grotto]

it was initially

[modern brook]

zip zap zoop we have a game

[sand egret]

they were born from the same thing

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[neon tangle]

@modern brook I guess I prefer it when the complexity comes from what was designed rather than random luck in how they built it, but obviously both can be done horribly

[sand egret]

intended complexity vs organic complexity

[modern brook]

intended complexity is for nerds

[lusty grotto]

the truth is that mechanical manipulation of the engine comes from playing the game at a different level

[modern brook]

fact

come to my ted talk at 6:30est to learn why

[sand egret]

i.e. fighting games basically

[lusty grotto]

im not saying its a superior level, just different

[sand egret]

(which we did talk about)

[lusty grotto]

like shield cancelling in smash

[modern brook]

someone @ me at 630 est so i dont forget to show up to my ted talk

[lusty grotto]

but then they became standard so

they were implemented in their respective iterations

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto a big part of that is basically taking a version of something, and saying "this is what we use" and then everying hyper-optimizing for it

I can get people being into it

[lusty grotto]

and thats why shield cancelling is a thing in smash ultimate

[neon tangle]

I'm not tho

[modern brook]

ultimate sucks though

because u cant jump cancel

[lusty grotto]

that's just 1 example

i mean

[modern brook]

a superior version of shield canceling

[lusty grotto]

yeah but whatever

side dodge is okay

[modern brook]

😠

SPOT dodge 😠

[lusty grotto]

im sorry

i gotta start training in smash again

i gotta beat my rival

he mains link and bowser

puts real rage in my veins

gotta train that pikachu

[oblique garnet]

Smash is overrated

[modern brook]

Yikes

i didnt think shit opinion hour started for another 90minutes

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[oblique garnet]

I mean says the rogue player

So you know your opinion is invalid anyways 8)

[modern brook]

😠

just cause ur right doesnt make u right

[oblique garnet]

It does

Dont get me wrong i like smash

But its definitely overrated

[modern brook]

which smash we talking

[oblique garnet]

New one

[modern brook]

yeah new ones pretty whatever

4 sucks

64 sucks

brawl sucks

melee is one of the best games ever made period

[lusty grotto]

i like smash ultimate 😦

granted im not like good at it

but its fun i like smash

hmm

can we solo legion raids yet

i mean mythic of course

i haven't tried

maybe next patch?

[oblique garnet]

Nope

Cant

Some bosses you can

[lusty grotto]

i guess ill try after reset

to see how far i get lmao

probably not far i guess

[sand egret]

I did Mythic ToV for what it's worth

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[sand egret]

so I'd imagine a few are.

[lusty grotto]

interesting but there's nothing i don't have from ToV

iirc

unless there's a mount i dont know about

[sand egret]

I think Emerald Nightmare can be done

[trail whale]

can't do NH

[sick sentinel]

smash is really good

melee, that is

[sand egret]

i imagine there's a few bosses I cant recall that have mechanics you cant brute past with our current dps

mythic helya kinda has it

if you're not a dorf/DiD

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[sand egret]

you need to burst her to 60% before the taint or you're boned

although, I did it with the taint on me

it was close tho

[oblique garnet]

Cant do dragons in EN

[sand egret]

some fights also get kinda glitchy when you're the only target as well

[lusty grotto]

dragons

yeah

i guess that'll be the iron reaver

though you can solo iron reaver, just need to pull a sonic

[mossy sundial]

Is the Booming Voice/Anger Management the only viable build?

For M+

[undone sun]

yes

Devastator is only for pure ST damage.
There's no competition for AM, ever.

[mossy sundial]

Asking cause i feel really squishy as a tank, even with ignore pain up. Do Tank trinkets (I am mainly playing fury) make a huge difference for prot?

[neon tangle]

If you feel squishy it's probably just play issues

trinkets/gear help, but it's pretty minor (you won't notice being 3% tankier) while play issues are very big

[undone sun]

no, trinkets wont make a huge difference, not life or death

[neon tangle]

@mossy sundial I just want to make sure, you said "even with ignore pain up"

Are you keeping shield block up?

[mossy sundial]

Trying

Might be me having the wrong stats/only being close to 400 but I have to choose far too often (atleast imo) between using shield block or ignore pain

guessing i should be banking rage instead of spending it when i can

[open bluff]

sounds more like a rotation issue if you feel you have to choose

[neon tangle]

^^^^

[open bluff]

also if you're ever spending rage on revenge

don't

[mossy sundial]

Only spending rage on revenge if i am off-tanking and i am close to 100 rage

[outer dew]

do you have logs?

lol

[open bluff]

^

[mossy sundial]

Don't think so, can look tho

[open bluff]

it's almost 100% a rotation issue; i'm usually swimming in rage

[outer dew]

i can rage starve in auto-pilot

lol

rage starving isn't really hard

esp if you're not use to intercepting on CD

[open bluff]

also make sure you're cycling CDs to cover gaps in shield block coverage

[neon tangle]

@mossy sundial I think you're also looking at IP in the wrong way, you don't ever "choose" between them or try and keep both up, you -always*- want to keep SB up and IP serves as a rage dump/"extra" mitigation on top

*always: there are a few times where something isn't blockable, and you want to use IP instead, i.e. the last two bosses of ML

[open bluff]

especially last stand; it's 15 seconds of 100% block with the bolster talent that's up about every minute, giving you plenty of time to recharge your stacks

[mossy sundial]

I am using Last stand as a stand in for shield block. keeping shieldwall for high dmg or "oh shit" moments

[neon tangle]

You should be planning your shield walls just like your other abilities, if you go "oh shit" it's too late to use anything

[mossy sundial]

Like the 2 things that i mostly use my shield block for are moments when a misstaunt from the other tank happens or my healer dies in m+

[neon tangle]

shield block or wall?

[mossy sundial]

shield wall

[outer dew]

you're using SW way too late

lol

[mossy sundial]

Does Shield block actually have a pandemic effect?

[neon tangle]

I'd try and log some, you're probably underutilizing it

yes

[mossy sundial]

Will do

[neon tangle]

don't forget that shield wall's CD is also reduced by anger management

and should be used pretty often

[open bluff]

^

[mossy sundial]

Is the armor weapon enchant worth taking?

[open bluff]

no, use quick nav

[mossy sundial]

Okay

[open bluff]

also to add on to sadbox's AM point: the only "long" cd not reduced by anger management is rallying cry

meaning avatar is also affected, which is a huge source of rage gen with unstoppable force/TC

if you're having rage issues, one possible explanation is you're underutilizing avatar but again, that's hard to say for sure without logs

[sand egret]

due to how me mitigate, there shouldn't really ever be "oh-shit" moments that aren't already planned for imho

we're not really the "oh-shit" tank, is what I really wanna say

[neon tangle]

^^^ @mossy sundial It was kinda implied, but warrior is 100% proactive mitigation, e.g. shield wall will only prevent damage you take in the future

which means if you do it as a reaction to your health dipping it's too late

same thing for IP, shield block, etc

[sand egret]

to clarify, I'm very actively weaving my SW into my general flow.

giving my healer some breathing room to top the group, etc.

or pulling extra big when its up

[mossy sundial]

Okay, thanks for the answers. Gonna try to implement them into my gameplay, gonna log as well to be able to provide more info if i am still running in place.

[spice ferry]

remember you can also log keys, people can still give you just as solid feedback on your rotation from m+

[sand egret]

I can't stress enough the importance of forethought and proactivity in Warrior tanking

[north coral]

anyone know why mythic jaina some times spins to the raid and casts beam p1 if avalanche is going off? something tank can do differently?

[sand egret]

it's the only tank spec that functions 100% proactively so anyone not familiar or (potentially even worse) a reroller may apply not-so-good habits to Prot

[mossy sundial]

The only tanks i played on mass the last expansions were Blood DK and some vengeance DH during legion. Playing Prot because i wanted to play fury and i don't want to log onto my druid for every key.

[sand egret]

Well BDK is like the 2nd farthest from the spec 😃

[spice ferry]

@north coral do you mean straight after avalanche she fires one off towards where rdps stack>?

[north coral]

yea she seems to turn to the rdps on the avalanche cast then queue up beam into them

[spice ferry]

if she's turned around when she finishes avalanche she can sometimes go straight into a beam and won't turn around before. I think if the tank who has ava goes to the side of the ship instead of near range it might not happen. fights retarded like that

[willow scarab]

What I've found is if both the tank with avalanche and the tank taunting for avalanche both stand on the opposite side of her to the ranged from pull until avalanche ends, including kiting that you will usually have the beam go where you want

But if you kite avalanche past where she is standing and move to ranged side and/or the other tank taunts before being on the opposite side to the ranged dps she consistently shoots at ranged

It's to do with the fact that she rotates whilst casting avalanche

[spice ferry]

yeah that's what i was trying to say but you've said it much better 😉

[willow scarab]

My guild use to tell me I was stupid for thinking on that level of play because "as if it works like that"

but like... it definitely does

[spice ferry]

dumb boss is dumb

if you just dont put yourself between her and rdps stack you should be okay

you could actually, long as you dont let avalanche finish when you are

[willow scarab]

sometimes she locks into her rotated position during avalanche and casts her blast straight after avalanche ends so you can't turn her around

The timings on it are so stupid

But get ready for the exact same thing when you get to Uu'nat because it's the same 😃

[ebon lagoon]

Wow...a fight that knocks rdps off their high horse, forces them to move at a moment's notice and expect to deal with the unexpected.

Almost like the fight's not supposed to be faceroll, huh?

[sick sentinel]

Guys I'm sorry, I had to betray yall

I'm going to play BDO now and become number #5 BDO streamer mom

(For real though, yo the combat is fucking tight)

[ebon lagoon]

Eh, go for it, I don't blame you.

Played a Wizard a while back on bdo, visuals are just...gamer orgasmic inducing.

[sick sentinel]

Who gives a fuck about the graphics, I'm playing wow, so long as it doesn't look like RuneScape I'll play ur trash

[willow scarab]

What are you talking about? Have you done Jaina?

Melee have half the job of ranged in p1

[spice ferry]

also if the tank does their job correctly then ranged dont need to move

rdps moving is caused by a tank misplay

in p1 anyway

[willow scarab]

Dealing with the unexpected is also a weird concept

melee don't have castbars...

[sick sentinel]

I will always find it funny when melee get angry when u move the boss

[willow scarab]

I feel so bad for my melee on Uu'nat

[sick sentinel]

I dont

[willow scarab]

We're ping ponging that boss all over the place

[sick sentinel]

Ur fucking melee suck it up

Stop crying and move

If u hate moving play a range

[willow scarab]

On topic

Void elf big power play for uunat

1% shadow damage reducation but more important you can skip beams

[sick sentinel]

Ok troll 2.0

[willow scarab]

warrior transcendence

[sick sentinel]

I really do wonder if they make some bs in roa that VE can port over if it will make then the troll 2.0/Gob 1.0

Because unlike cos, it's nothing note worthy since its filler raid

Where as roa is the main course next patch

[willow scarab]

Here's hoping so it justifies my aesthetic choice

[sick sentinel]

What's the CD on it?

[willow scarab]

3 minutes

[sick sentinel]

I hope u like it every 5

[willow scarab]

I'm thinking it will line up with the dicey eye beams

But we're only at 62% ish so time will tell

have to finesse it

[sick sentinel]

It's such a weird thing that I'm shocked people haven't learned to abuse yet

Because I could imagine u could frame perfect Dodge's if it works sim to a blink

[weary veldt]

earthlink/shimmering haven?

[sick sentinel]

el

Sh can pop up in a poor spot

[willow scarab]

It works exactly like a blink except that it's of course projected from you

so you can't just press it and dodge beam

[sick sentinel]

It's a double tap yea

[willow scarab]

yeah

moves from you to X distance and then tap again to get to it

[sick sentinel]

Still if u can Dodge's a beams damage then u can frame perfect a lot of other shit

The problem become how good are u at frame watchinf

[willow scarab]

I've been making it my mission to find uses for it because I wanna stay lookin' cute

When my adrenaline is going off and i've had a coffee i'm pretty good with my frames

[sick sentinel]

I prefer racials that do something movement wise

[sand egret]

VE active does have a lot of legs

always gonna be content where you gotta move A to B

😃

[willow scarab]

It's nice for big pulls like WCM hallway and shrine hallway after 1st boss

[sick sentinel]

Look at that this man trying to set up style points

If u H.Leap from end of the hallway but casted ur tele right before is there a distance limiter or nah?

Because if I can just steal monks TP Ayo fuck nightelf and fuck the horde

[sand egret]

like a poor man's Transcendece

[sick sentinel]

I'm taking that because I WILL STYLE BEAST ON THESE TRASH

[willow scarab]

Sometimes it feels like there's a distance limit but maybe i'm just not pressing it fast enough

[sick sentinel]

I want my SSSMOKING SEXY STYLE METER

[willow scarab]

You can definitely use it from outside the door and then heroic leap down the hallway thoguh

It's pretty much poor man trans

[sick sentinel]

I don't give a fuck

I want to pop my tp mid air after casting TC at just the right frame before landing and pooping back where i was

[willow scarab]

You can't drop it in the air like you can with trans

if you use it in the air or on a cliff etc it goes along the ground

[sick sentinel]

Oh no I'm gonna cast it right before I leap

Then pop mid air after a tc

[warm plinth]

It's basically blink but way slower and with a visual of where you will end up.

[sick sentinel]

So long as the distance for me to pop to be ported back isn't like 2 yards idgaf

[warm plinth]

Also the rift is only in place for like 10 seconds

And it goes on CD whether you port or not

[sick sentinel]

That's literally more than what I woildnneed

Yo

I'm going ally guys

Fuck the horde

[warm plinth]

I'm pretty sure the range is 25ish yards, maybe 30

[sand egret]

so i think the move is shoot it backwards, 180n0sc0p3 and intercept forward at the pack, Clap em and style back

[warm plinth]

lol

[sick sentinel]

^

[warm plinth]

ninja 🐔

[sand egret]

im into it

i'd be all over that but VE's have shit beards

[willow scarab]

that's pretty much it

[sick sentinel]

I already did crazy shit my HM TAUREN fharge

[willow scarab]

and you can use it then leap teleport mid air

[sick sentinel]

OMG

[willow scarab]

exactly like leap itnercept mid air

[sick sentinel]

It's fucking official

I'm going ally

[warm plinth]

You NA?

[sick sentinel]

Hell the fuck yea

I'm not a coward

[warm plinth]

I'll have company then. Everone is abandoning e.

[lusty grotto]

🤐

[warm plinth]

me*

[willow scarab]

The 1% shadow damage is nothing but also something given uu'nat build

also 5% damage for 12s every minute

[sick sentinel]

Fuck the SHADOW RESIST IM GONNA STYLE BEAST ON THESE BITCHES

[willow scarab]

Not the best race but I'm here for it

[sand egret]

I just want everyone to know I played Fury for the 3rd time today and i'm pretty much a god

[willow scarab]

Proud of you

[sand egret]

ya'll will never compare

hang it up

[willow scarab]

I recently put siegebreaker on my bars after playing fury in a lot of bgs

[sand egret]

decimated Nim in deeps

[willow scarab]

I always wondered why my damage sucked

[sand egret]

he's devastated

everyone be nice to @lusty grotto

[sick sentinel]

I can't play fury when it only has one rage spender

It feels like shit

technically

it has 2

just the other one does not do damage

1

[sand egret]

I was PUMPING that Shout yo

[sick sentinel]

Ur either rampaging or executing

[sand egret]

just kite city

[sick sentinel]

I was talking about piercing howl lmao

[sand egret]

being the utility we need baby

[sick sentinel]

The fuck is a piercing howl?

[sand egret]

i told you

i'm a god now at fury

450iq

it's a 100% uptime 50% snare

aka frost mage status

[sick sentinel]

Wait etf

[ebon lagoon]

Ah yes

[sick sentinel]

Y'all stole my fucking slow from arms

YOU FUCKERS STOLE MY ARMS SLOWS

[sand egret]

I took it

as the New God of Fury

i deemed it necessary

[ebon lagoon]

Back in Legion it was fun to use Piercing howl to get near permanent uptime on Frothing Berserker

[sick sentinel]

arms still has hamsting

Fuck that hamstring can go back to its useless useless fury spec

Y'all deserve hamstring so you can have a reminder of what ur class is

[warm plinth]

You can always play classic 😏

[sick sentinel]

Yeah let get a key

imagine playing arms btw

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure in vanilla, PH was a talent

But I didn't play war in vanilla so I'm not sure that's true

[sick sentinel]

Imagine play weak neck fury

[warm plinth]

Imagine playing any spec but prot in classic

HYBRID TAX

[sick sentinel]

Imagine playing classic

[warm plinth]

Eh, whatever floats people's boats

Once was enough for me

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, at least I'm not like those losers

I play modern wow

[warm plinth]

All the people who hate flying will be happy 👍

[sick sentinel]

poyo I have an extremely simple reason I play fury

[warm plinth]

Until they realize they have to wait until level 40 to get the 60% ground mount, heirloom mount doesn't exist, and they probably won't be able to afford it when they do hit level 40 😂

[sick sentinel]

I sent this image very recently

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/578971542931767305/wow_apm.png

I play 6 of the top 7 specs

[warm plinth]

Brewmaster is so boring though :/

[sick sentinel]

Thats APM tho

yeah

that's the reason I like those specs

Ah

all 6 of them

not brm

[warm plinth]

Oh, you play all but BrM

[sick sentinel]

yeh

[warm plinth]

Good man

Good tank, boring af to play

[sick sentinel]

BRM=BoRedoM

Arms/feral and either MM/BM(if I'm feeling...)

[warm plinth]

Meanwhile VDH is fun as hell but is like tanking as a wet paper towel

[sand egret]

eh, it's fun for reasons that aren't rotational imho

[sick sentinel]

I prefer the slower plays because I feel like I'm doing something

[warm plinth]

Which? BrM?

[sand egret]

yep

[warm plinth]

Oh. What do you find fun about it?

[sand egret]

doing weirdo pulls with Trans and rolls

Ring is fun as hell

[warm plinth]

Ring is fun, and unlimited kiting potential

But the rotation is super bleh

[willow scarab]

I like BrM

I agree though, the game is more fun when you're on high APM

[sand egret]

it's very different from Prot but the thing with rotations are...at the end of the day it's all muscle memory anyway

i'm not really actively thinking "ok now tclap"

[warm plinth]

Well BrM is like the only spec in the game that still has a pretty much set rotation

We have options typically, even if they are minor options. e.g. do I press IP or Revenge, SS procs, etc

[sand egret]

in general, being comfortable with the spec kinda implies that you can think about literally everything else and pull off the basics

[sick sentinel]

Before I go ally I gotta get my aotc on my warrior

[sand egret]

but that's what I think

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's like going for a drive and getting to your destination and don't really remember driving there

[sick sentinel]

Need 3 more +10

[sand egret]

yeah exactly

[sick sentinel]

My excuse on performing bad this week

was that

I normally do not pay attention during trash

or most bosses

and with necro I actually had to play the game

I think we all do that

[warm plinth]

Is that what we're calling the +10 achieve now? AotC? lol

[sand egret]

shocker 😃

[sick sentinel]

Yup @warm plinth

Since aotc is heroic gear

[warm plinth]

So +15 feat is M+ CE?

XD

[sick sentinel]

Yup

[warm plinth]

I'm just gonna go horde and have Blade carry me to +15 feat

[sand egret]

wish necro applied less, was easier to drop, but did more reduction so you could engage with the affix more

[warm plinth]

At least it drops with combat now

[sand egret]

or it ticked down instead of cleared all at once

[sick sentinel]

Was it grievous or necro that replace overhealing

[sand egret]

so you can partially kite

[warm plinth]

Grievous

[undone sun]

grevious

[sick sentinel]

God that was the best

I felt bad for hot based class

[sand egret]

imagine an affix that did magic damage everytime you blocked/dodge/parried

[warm plinth]

Or holy pal with holy shock crits 😂

[sand egret]

😁

[warm plinth]

Like welp, insta 5-mil heal absorb

[sick sentinel]

I want an affix that steals Mana from the healer everytime they crit

[warm plinth]

That would be fun, IF they nerfed the damage mobs dealt at the same time

[sick sentinel]

And one that deals damage if they don't crit

this is kind of what necro does for me

since I went full crit for this week

I even got deadly nav

Oh noooooooooooo

40% party with both goreblock and deadly nav proced

[warm plinth]

Yesss, 40%party!

[sick sentinel]

Ok but the real question

[warm plinth]

No ravager

[sick sentinel]

[warm plinth]

lolol

[sick sentinel]

Maybe one day they will remove ravager

[warm plinth]

They should just make it baseline and put something else in that tier that won't ever compete with AM

[sick sentinel]

YALL MOTHEFCUKERS ALREADY HAVE STAT TALENT IN OUR TREE, JUST DO IT FOR RAVAGERS

[warm plinth]

Or I guess more realistically they could just make AM baseline and put another meh talent in that row to choose from.

[sick sentinel]

AM at this point completes prot

It either has to be removed/gutted/baselined

[warm plinth]

I think your first thing was correct. Don't all warrior specs use AM?

[sick sentinel]

Not arms

[warm plinth]

Ah

[sick sentinel]

It only reduces Bladestorm

Like it doesn't even fucking reduce Smash

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah that's pretty meh

[sick sentinel]

Just one fucking ability

And the ability is only a 90 seconds long cd

[warm plinth]

At least DbtS should be affected 🤔 Is that the right ability? Idfk dps war shit

Their parry thing

[sick sentinel]

Nope

Only bladestorm

Smash/Ava/Defense not affected by AM

[winter aspen]

Wut

[sick sentinel]

It's the ravager of arms

[warm plinth]

Looks like in raids at least, they use AM

[winter aspen]

AM is your only choice on arms

[warm plinth]

Didn't look at M+ build yete

yet*

[winter aspen]

It reduces warbreaker and bs

[sick sentinel]

Since when?

Was this an 8.1 thing?

[warm plinth]

It says it works on Colossus Smash and BS on icyveins

[winter aspen]

Since forever lol

[sick sentinel]

Not in 8.0

[warm plinth]

Which warbreaker replaces CS so same thing

[winter aspen]

Since bfa release

[sick sentinel]

Then I must be misremembering because I swear I never went AM

I think?

Oh no

No wonder

I'm thinking of the legion Verison

But I could have sworn it didn't affect CS in 8.0

[outer dew]

I can confirm for you that in 8.0, it worked

[sand egret]

I can confirm for you that Tofu can confirm for you that in 8.0, it worked

[willow scarab]

Remember when we could ravager and bladestorm as prot

[junior ivy]

hi

[sick sentinel]

Hello cat

[junior ivy]

how are you

[sick sentinel]

Pretty fine, just got to bed

[junior ivy]

im goin to bed soon

playin some sims 4 first

i made this family right

and no one works

thjey just do stuff from home

one paints one is social media girl

and i accidentally had twins twice

so its hectic.

i love the sims 😦

[undone sun]

sounds fun

[junior ivy]

whatcha doin thyme

[undone sun]

nothing really, thinking about making dinner

[junior ivy]

i had enchiladas

and they were so good

[sick sentinel]

I don't get the sims

[junior ivy]

whats not to get

[sick sentinel]

How you have fun

It's probably a girl thing idk

[junior ivy]

theres so much to do

like the replay value

[sick sentinel]

I don't judge people who like it, I just can't do it myself

[junior ivy]

you can play vastly different lives each time

[sick sentinel]

My type of game is DOOM2016 for example

Think is, I don't care about any of my sims or what they are doing

Anyway

#off-topic

[outer dew]

Had a girl put me in her sims game

🤔

And asked me to watch her play

Shits wack

[spice ferry]

this is my sims game
https://www.raidbots.com/

[sick sentinel]

Now THOSE sims I can get behind

[outer dew]

Where the sim?

[sick sentinel]

100%

[outer dew]

Disgusting

Remember the day when #protection was anti sim and had good family morals

Now it's all degenerate sims

Give me my wholesome no-sim prot back

[sick sentinel]

To be fair

I meant as fury

I never sim as prot

[stiff niche]

hey, I've read / watched people talk about prot war stats. So whats the correct stats we want tof mythic plus? Heavy crit or heavy haste?

[outer dew]

Heavy haste for consistency

But all stats are p equal

So just go with ilvl

[sick sentinel]

@stiff niche check pms

[stiff niche]

^ will do ty

[warm plinth]

You have a copypasta you're DMing people don't you Keage 😂

[lusty grotto]

dang we messed up a td

:\

feelsbadman

[brave mauve]

Needed more leech

[undone sun]

🤦

[lusty grotto]

😢 y u do dis epyawn

[brave mauve]

Whoa, hey, I didn't say you needed more.

[lusty grotto]

nod

[tacit smelt]

Did they stop giving 415 azerite pieces from the weekly chest?

[quiet crane]

They never did they havnt dropped it since like back in Uldir

Any Azerite that is

[brittle owl]

you get reziduum to buy pieces now

you can roll for a rando item on a specific slot once every 2-3 weeks depending on what keylevel you do

maybe more if you do sub 10's but👀

[warm plinth]

Yeah if you do a 16 each week, you'll have enough for a random 415 every 2 weeks.

[lime wing]

I’ve noticed, done ~10 or so +10s this week and didn’t even saw ONE azerite gear drop. Just came back from a 4 month break, every slot is 400 besides azerite ones, which are 380. Should I buy random 400s? Or wait for random 415s?

[novel breach]

@lime wing wait for 415. Only way to get 415 is mythic raid that that currency.

400 is super easy to get now a days

[warm plinth]

If you're only going to be doing +10s and not going to raid, I would buy the 400s. If you're going to be doing higher keys sooner rather than later, wait for the 415s. Important to note that you can get 400 ilevel azerite from emissaries now too so if you want to wait it out and just save for a 415 anyway (even if not raiding or doing higher M+), you can just hope for good emissary rolls

[novel breach]

Agree with @warm plinth . 400 from emmisary and h raid pugs are easy. Save for 415.

[warm plinth]

Or well, if you're doing +10s I guess you can get a 415 every 3 weeks

[willow scarab]

@lime wing Azerite from dungeons is 370 and only drops on +0 keys. You should save your titan residuum from each weeks cache until you can afford 415 azerite tokens

[brittle owl]

wait hold up

dont buy 400s

you can get 400 pieces from emisaries

its stupid to buy 400 azerite pieces at this point

[willow scarab]

You can also pug a mythic champions kill for 415 azerite chest with pretty decent traits

[brittle owl]

^

also that

roll helm and shoulders first is what that means

you can get chest fairly fast with a 20 min investment each week

also shield

you should pug mythic champions every week until you have everything from it

[novel breach]

Yep. Dont waste on 400. Haha

There are communities out there for mythic raid pugs as well. Worth looking into if you want to push a bit for 1 or 2 kills. Sorry I dont have a link, but ask in trade chat or on here, someone might be able to invite to one of the pug raid communities. @lime wing

Just know they will likely expect a high raider.io score of some other requirement if you dont know someone, so expect to have to answer questions when asked. But most people that run those groups are cool.

[gritty notch]

For M+ - Callous Reprisal or Iron Fortress?

[open bluff]

CR is more damage, IF is slightly smoother damage intake iirc

[gritty notch]

Awesome, thanks! And M+ again - Blood Rite vs Brace for Impact? Seems like I shield slam a lot less in M+. Not sure how that plays out exactly.

[ionic fern]

I'd probably take Blood Rite for m+ tbh

Also, good morning.

[warm plinth]

👋

[novel breach]

Blood rite, you will get more use. You will see slight increase on tyrannical for ss, but there is so much aoe in m+ the stat will be a larger boon. Bosses mean nothing, even on tyrannical on keys lower that 20 that it's pointless to stack for them.

And hello at 130am @ionic fern

[gritty notch]

Okay. Thanks!

[novel breach]

@gritty notch just think about it this way. Haste is more ip and reduced block. Its king. Tank damage, yes even as prot war, means nothing compared to making damage near zero with ip and block uptime.

And it's more damage with lower gcd to cap.

[gritty notch]

Okay. :)
One more question for M+. Sometimes I feel like I'm carrying my healer. Is Vengeance ever better than Booming Voice?

[potent anvil]

Long story short, no. You should stick with Booming Voice for m+

[gritty notch]

Okay.

[novel breach]

Yea, boice is a retarded amount of damage. If your healer needs you to run veng, you need a new healer. The greatest strength of prot war is the damage we bring, especially in reap. And bv is massive. Prot war burst is literally a 4th dps on aoe burst.

In m+ specifically.

Prot takes near zero damage in m+ anyways, bring the pain. Haha

[willow scarab]

Genuinely replace your healer

[gritty notch]

LOL - Okay thanks!

[willow scarab]

Assuming you have at least an average understanding of prot

Because it could also be your fault

[gritty notch]

I have decent understanding. Legion I did the tower, tanked the chosen, some mythic (War is an alt). I just haven't done too much this expac prot-wise and tanks are never really found for our guild M+ so I wanted to help out.

[willow scarab]

I don't know if those things are hard because I skipped legion

But I'm gonna assume you're good enough that it's a healer problem 😃

[novel breach]

What @willow scarab means is sb uptime and ip abuse btw.

[gritty notch]

Did 15s in legion, but they felt easier, so idk.

Thanks everyone. 😃

[novel breach]

Yea wired. Just aim for 65% uptime for block uptime dump rage into IP as long as you have agro. Everything else is healers fault. Haha

[ionic fern]

65% in a m+? o.o

[strong forum]

You can have 100% relevant block uptime

[ionic fern]

Throwing % out in the air without context doesn't mean anything.

[strong forum]

Exactly

Hence the 'relevant'

[livid totem]

what is a mythic champion ?

[ionic fern]

Well, relevant is a wide word. :')
Relevant as in 100% uptime on all attacks that are blockable? 🤔 Doubt you can manage that in a m+ run.
Relevant as in 100% uptime on attacks that are actually going to hurt you? Jeah...maybe...depending on the pulls etc.

In what context @livid totem ?
Can be Mythic Champions of Light (1st boss in BoD).

[livid totem]

oh ok

just wanted to know how to get decent azerite gear outside of m+10 and raids

[outer dew]

Pvp

[livid totem]

yeah no.

[outer dew]

Outlaw can only get their bis via pvp

Real sad times

Lmao

[livid totem]

Thank god I stopped playing rogue since a long time

[strong forum]

Bro FUCK rogues and everything they stand for

[ionic fern]

They are obnoxious. 😦

[marble cipher]

I like playing my rogue from time to time 😦