that baby goes on the fridge cuz we're proud of you
#protection
mortal brook
shut summit
🎉
undone sun
👏
oblique garnet
@ionic fern not even 50😪
deep cedar
One trink to rule them all.
modern brook
@rocky tendon 
of #268491842637660160
Man
You guys remember when prot was "so bad" that we made this as the first thing in the faq?
those were some days
lusty grotto
viable
modern brook
viable
Also RE: neck level
I believe AK will resume post 8.2 drop
so catch up mechanics will be back
exotic spoke
Viable doesn’t mean optimal or fun 😦
deep cedar
I had people trolling me while I geared my war at the end of 8.0.5 in prep for 8.1. Prob same people saying opop now.
modern brook
8.0 was the best
it was on big ego stroke
wow ive never seen a prot do that well
wow tank dps is insane, gw man
- excerpts received by literally anyone who could handle pressing shield block
honest canopy
Neck lvl 50 yes
modern brook
no like character level
modern brook
I was like dude ur sick
undone sun
that's basically how it felt for most of legion
modern brook
ur actually sick though wtf
I think i just hit the first +5 ilvl to 415s on my rogue
idk what that is
oblique garnet
🤔
modern brook
wanna say 47
honest canopy
And like 5-6 st 38
modern brook
46 then
oblique garnet
48 shoulders
modern brook
thanks late :^)
modern brook
I havent been playing much to be honest
honest canopy
Now warrior 2 is at 419 ilvl, and thats with a 400 trink1
modern brook
Taking a break from raiding pretty much separated me from my guild
honest canopy
1 ilvl overall is like 14 ilvls per item right?
honest canopy
Yeja but
Like you up 1 ilvl average equiot byt upping 14 ilvl in one slot sor so, no?
honest canopy
Yeah
brisk ferry
I believe it's 16 ilvls if you use 1h + shield, 15 ilvls if 2hander
honest canopy
So If you are at 300 and up 1t ilvls your average should be 301.1 or smt
Should make The alch trinket
honest canopy
So i finally can get 420 ilvl
modern brook
IDK how 2handers are factored in, if its just not incluuded or what
but since its a prot warrior its 16
so u might get fucked at 419.49
honest canopy
Bah
mortal brook
nazjatar has a new herb for the new pots but all the recipes are rep gated. no investment yet
oblique garnet
@modern brook i miss the times when you were not here with your horrible dad jokes
ebon lagoon
Oh, are they finally making a fix like Potion of Prolonged Power?
mortal brook
nope! more str pots. but also a m+ str pot
mortal brook
theres a 'gives x str' pot, and also a 'gives x str plus more strength for each mob around you up to y str' pot
oblique garnet
The problem with the latter pot is that you cant use it prepull
lusty grotto
@jagged bay have a nice weekend!
ebon lagoon
Would be nice. Except a single pot on my server costs like...300 gold at minimum...
jagged bay
hey have a nice weekend too 😃
mortal brook
potion of prosperity killed pot market def
ebon lagoon
Potion of what now? It's been a while for me...
lusty grotto
Also cauldrons :p
mortal brook
alchemy tools of the trade. increases extra potion proc chance
exotic spoke
Pot market is server dependent. Strength pots are still like 150-200 on my server
Alchemy cauldrons where a great thing lol
modern brook
Late that hurt
:^(
I was going to make a collage with everyone who said "I appreciated that joke"
but 1 person appreciated it :^(
exotic spoke
Cauldrons where the reason I dropped my gathering and now have double crafting profession.
mortal brook
♥
ebon lagoon
...Question. How long does it usually take for the hidden prot skin's emote to proc once I enter Nelth's Vault? Just checking...
honest canopy
45 mins
ebon lagoon
Alright.
Sorry for the stupid question. Just...trying to convince myself the daily roll wasn't wasted and I just needed to wait ._.)
solar delta
Earthlink - Az. Globules or Crystaline Carapace?
honest canopy
Az Glob
Trying to take a shit
And have a chill time
Talk about cocaine and rap music.
Instead its The usual trait questions and wife sendning message on insta regsrding babystrollers
@lusty grotto plz fix
sick sentinel
Guys talents good tank warior
undone sun
honest pelican
any tips on handling sanguine + necrotic
most dungeons don't give you much space to move around 😦
sick sentinel
this week makes me feel mortal again
ebon lagoon
Step One: Ascertain your group understands an ancient, sacred, oft forgotten concept: Crowd Control
distant crystal
dorf life is good this week
dazzlin' healers with my stack clearing in the direst of situations
wooden radish
@ionic fern boop. friday heart attack
ionic fern
Everything was actually quiet on discord. 😂
UNtil now.
Wiping on 23 SOTS feels good.
wooden radish
maybe you need to pump harder
shut summit
We had something like 19 deaths on 23 shrine and still beat, seemed so forgiving
Fuk necrotic tho, needa go alliance
lusty grotto
haha
ive only done 1 ML this week
ML is pretty good for it
plenty of room and stuff
plus you skip the dangerous stuff anyway due to death skips
sadly we had 2 people doing terrible dps so yeah
sick sentinel
depleted 20 wcm
got top right
also depleted 21 tos
DH help getting oneshot from cleave
dense flame
lusty grotto
in ToS?
sick sentinel
200k damage on a 15% vers dh
lusty grotto
shit man
sick sentinel
yeah
lusty grotto
hmm
cause i know rogues getting blade flurried on fort teeming
100-0 in 0.08s
lmao
the riders?!
sick sentinel
yy
swift pier
I mean aslong as you didn’t spin it around then it’s dh fault
sick sentinel
I was kiting
lusty grotto
yeah i think that's what he meant
lusty grotto
goes to cleave
swift pier
Ah then ya totally your fault
lusty grotto
I'm a contrarian goddamn it
lusty grotto
watch out nimchip shear is coming
forget to press SB
lusty grotto
shearchip does it again
sick sentinel
parries it anyways
lusty grotto
oh yeah that did happen
lusty grotto
im thinking im gonna modify my routes a bit to clear up space for sanguine placement
swift pier
Have fun with globs tho xd
lusty grotto
for example underrot start can be weird if you pull very selectively
i love me some globs
swift pier
I made a hpal a few weeks ago
lusty grotto
favorite part of KR 😃
swift pier
Some these tanks
lusty grotto
watch healers rage
lusty grotto
heh
swift pier
They won’t interrupt well I bet
swift pier
Y
lusty grotto
super fun times
sweet gate
i have a question about mythic jaina what spell would i be trying to reflect with spell reflection?
stoic pilot
I just use it when there’s higher stacks of the dot that isn’t Ice Shard to reduce overall dmg
Forget the name
sweet gate
chilling touch?
sweet gate
so when i use spell reflect it will the damage i would take from the how ever many stacks of chilling touch i have?
strong forum
its magic DR
stoic pilot
^
stoic pilot
Then you wanna use it in p3 for the crystalline dusts
sweet gate
yea i was thinking about that
sweet gate
if i had the choice of getting Callous Reprisal or Treacherous covenant which one should i go for?
silk mortar
Cr would most likely be better overall
sweet gate
ok good to know
umbral forge
desert ice
Quick question. Currently, the damage to Thunderclap will be roughly a minor DPS loss factoring the new Azerite traits correct?
worthy dagger
prot is dead after the update
sick sentinel
lul
worthy dagger
🙃
neon tangle
@worthy dagger prot is taking a hit from the nerf and the overall damage will look less insane without padding from reaping
It’s impossible to say where they will stand until s3 affix is fleshed out and the essences are in a more final state
Whops
Wrong person
@desert ice ^^^
worthy dagger
im being sarcastic 😦
neon tangle
Just tagged the wrong person 😛
sick sentinel
we know lans
worthy dagger
but if we do say prots are dead we might scare them away you know
ornate wagon
I wonder if VDH are gonna be fixed in 8.2
just got mine to 111, trying to get all the tanks to 120 and maybe 1k io next season
potent anvil
With the buffs announced, unless I'm missing a new change, they're pretty much the same in 8.2.
Maybe the essences will help them, but I doubt it.
sick sentinel
So basically them with demonspikes up=us while afking?
potent anvil
yeah, basically
sick sentinel
Also @potent anvil where's 
?
potent anvil
steel mauve
they probably need to fix their downtime of AM instead of fixing their survival during downtime, also i still really hate the soul cap on soul cleave, it doesnt heal for much with only 2 souls
oblique garnet
Good
sick sentinel
Eh
sudden kayak
is there a website where i can see the best tank trinket in the game
i hav rezans fury its pretty good
sick sentinel
The answer is always "it depends"
exotic spoke
^^ what I was getting at
sick sentinel
Focus on learning how to play the spec
And how to do the dungeons
And gear will follow on its own
oblique garnet
Kage go to sleep smh
honest canopy
🙄
coral jasper
Is the Trinket from COS worth equipping? Prob more for survival, correct? IF so ... how many iLvl's would (if) you sacrifice?
The bell lookin' one sorry
undone sun
Scarab it
willow scarab
It’s good if you’re having trouble surviving
If you need it to pull the sizes required for an efficient route then use it
I’m also planning to use it for uunat prog, don’t scrap it
oblique garnet
Its hard to find good ways to use it imo
honest canopy
🍤🍤🍤
potent anvil
Idol? Its essentially a healthstone. So you treat it as such.
sick sentinel
how do prot warriors solo tank mythic champs?
willow scarab
With a soul stone
sick sentinel
i mean the boss without swapping
willow scarab
Soulstone or APT
sick sentinel
hmm im in a pug on my healer and this guy is claiming he'll solo tank and we have no lock or shaman
willow scarab
You can do it with a battle res if they’re quick
Ideally the other tank resets for you
If you just use a regular bres 1-2 people will die
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet I appreciate the truth... but damn it hurts
ebon lagoon
Excuse me, what do Prot Warriors generally use between Rumbling Earth and Storm Bolt?
exotic spoke
Also regarding idol - it’s best used to try and kill your party s raid members
I take tumbling earth but I think most people will say depends on group comp.
And whether you need a ranged interrupt* (stun) or more aoe stuns
daring bay
Are there any reddit/forums regarding m+ or prot tanking?
Wow forums are kinda "whiney"
undone sun
reddit isn't much better tbh, but no there isn't
oblique garnet
@willow scarab you can reset your stacks when he does prayer of the fallen and as the cast is about to end you spell reflect then he does wave of light and your stacks will be reset
steel mauve
@sick sentinel when the boss does the long angelic cast if you spell reflect at the end of that you will always drop your stacks and can solo tank the boss with out needing to swap off
shadow wind
I currently have 3x bastion, 1x iron fortress and 1x deafening crash. For my last trait what should I choose between blood sport or a second deafening crash?
modern brook
Do u wanna be big stomp guy here to stomp all big things
Or do u wanna be more tanky
sudden kayak
hi im new to prot warrior is it normal to beat dps as prot
fathom hollow
sudden kayak
yea
willow scarab
More information
Beat them on aoe or reaping? Yeah sure
Best them on ST? God no
Beat them overall? If you’re good and they’re average, yeah
sudden kayak
does callios repirsal stack
sudden kayak
kk
full spruce
@sick sentinel late to this reply. Prot warriors can solo champs on Mythic with ease. Usually at the end of the fallen cast he’ll do a wave of light and your stack debuff will be in the 3-4 second range. You can distance yourself 10-15yrs but before he gets to melee after the cast use spell reflect. One tick of the debuff won’t apply and stacks drop.
All other tanks I usually just run away when fallen cast is going off to drop my stacks.
paper orchid
tradewinds or iron fortress?
sick sentinel
If
paper orchid
between blood siphon and elemental whirl? blood siphon the numbers are smaller, but a passive amount to leech and mastery is nice i guess
new to prot warr if you couldnt tell ><
pearl osprey
i would go blood siphon, won't depend on on rng
paper orchid
Yeah makes sense
pearl osprey
its the one i get the most, if the piece does not have lifespeed
which is my favorite
i'm a huge haste stacker ahah
paper orchid
You really want 3 Bastion of might and one thunder clap trait rigt?
for the first 2 rows
warm plinth
For M+, yes
pearl osprey
i have 2 thunder clap traits atm
they are 60% of my dmg
if you are high iLv and have enough block i think you don't really need if
paper orchid
For raiding would you drop to one bastion?
pearl osprey
no, i would drop on the deafining clash to just 1
bastion is not only a offensive cooldown, its awesome as defensive
paper orchid
Ah yeah that makes sense since youll mostly 1 target
pearl osprey
you will criticaly block everything
also, do you know how block works? higher the amount, higher the chances, obviously, but mobs from dungeons, mobs from raids, heroics raids and mythic raids
all will respond differently to your block value
in m+, i can easily get 42.5% reduced damage on block
thats the soft cap
as critical blocking u block double the damage, and the maximum damage u can block is 85%, getting more block after u reach the 42.5% is not as good
will have a way lower impact
warm plinth
Ehhh, you really shouldn't call it that. It has virtually no effect on whether you want more block.
Calling something a cap makes people think that the stat is worth less once you've hit that amount.
pearl osprey
softcap, yes, after you reach 42.5% the stat is worth less
warm plinth
Not true.
pearl osprey
sorry, then the information i previously had is wrong
warm plinth
You're fine. I just wanted to make sure you properly informed. Trust me, you aren't the first person to say that; hence why it's one of the pins in here. 👍
pearl osprey
but, for instance, if maximum block is 85%, all critical blocks will be the same after i reach 42.5% and above, so for that lets take an encounter where i have 30% block, a block trait will be extremely valuable as it will increase both my normal block and my critical block (especially during avatar). On another encounter that i have 50% block, traits increasing my block will not be as valuable as encounter 1 (not that they will have no value at all), so on that second case, other traits might be better options. All of this is correct .?
warm plinth
The reason block doesn't lose value is because you can block more than 42.5% damage with a normal block. You would get a very small DR loss on crit block obviously because instead of doubling your base block when you crit block, you're stuck at 85%. But since you do normal blocks far more than you do crit blocks, there's no real loss of value on the stat.
It's still better to get more block rating because you're still increasing the DR of your base blocks (which are the majority of your blocks)
torpid echo
Hey team, Vers or haste gems, and does anyone have reasonable stat weights i can load into Pawn for prot? Or somewhere to generate them? Thanks 😃
warm plinth
Haste gems. You should never use Pawn. Just use top gear sims on Raidbots if you need to compare gear; stat weights become useless as soon as you change a single piece of gear. There's no reason to add the extra step of generating weights when you can just compare gear on Raidbots.
torpid echo
Is top gear on raid bots good for tanks now? I thought it was only good for dps stuff
warm plinth
It is only useful for DPS. You are correct.
ebon lagoon
Question, which of the Prot-specific azerite traits stack and do I want to stack the shite out of?
warm plinth
For survival, you will pretty much always choose the piece of gear that is the highest item level.
All of our traits stack in some way.
For M+, you want to stack Bastion of Might and have at least 1 Deafening Crash
ebon lagoon
Alright.
warm plinth
For raids, you can focus more on the single target traits like Brace for Impact. Bastion is still good, and you still want 1 Deafening Crash
oblique garnet
🤔
ebon lagoon
Okay.
warm plinth
@oblique garnet I'm gonna start recording my +5s to watch soon to help with my withdrawal.
pearl osprey
brace for impact is better than if for raid ?
sick sentinel
@warm plinth I can't steam but I can record my scuffed runs lmao
warm plinth
That works for me; I'm not gonna watch the stream anyway :p
And if you put it on youtube that just means I can watch it at work 😂
sick sentinel
Not today though lmao
oblique garnet
hey i dont get paid if you watch my vods i get paid for stream smh
sick sentinel
Today is a different kind of day
warm plinth
Why is today a different kind of day?
warm plinth
Don't blame you for that Kaege lol
sick sentinel
Greece boy
rose moat
You know my biggest trigger, dps that needs to pull for the tank.
Yesterday 18 KR, just did the 2 coffin dudes, reaping procs, i still somehow have 22 nectrotic stacks, rogue goes like ill pull for you, no timer nothing else, tricks me and pulls the boss.
I have no cds, still does 22 necro stacks and no stun. So rip i die in 3 secs 😓
Guess who the rogue blamed
So guys my question is how do you deal with retards like that
warm plinth
I typically brush it off, finish the dungeon, and block that person so I never have to group with them again 👍
rose moat
Ah yea didnt have to finish cause the same rogue left after the wipe
warm plinth
Classy move
oblique garnet
let the rogue die
rose moat
Yea that is what i normally do
Kinda hard when he tricks you
They adapting to that tactic
rose moat
Didnt think of that 🙃
sick sentinel
I was pulling shit during levelup when my friend was tanking
On my mage
But I don't do it on max level dungeons lmao
ember arrow
Wow good?
rose moat
There is a difference between knowing the dps is gonna pull something or a dps tell you he is pulling something
Like a got a dps that pulls thinks for me but he tracks my cd’s and such
So im fine with that
oblique garnet
@ember arrow nah try again in 2 months
molten rivet
For pure Singletarget DPS, is BV+AM better than Devastator+HR?
molten rivet
I'll give it a go!
hardy needle
Is Bury the Hatchet better than Resounding Protection for M+?
sick sentinel
Not at all
hardy needle
Alright, thanks (:
leaden grail
for mythic+: would u rather equip a 405 ring with vers haste or a 400 ring with crit haste and leechß
?*
exotic spoke
Our secondary stats are so close that it’s better to have more stats than fewer better stats
In general just take highest Ilvl
stiff bear
got rezans, diamond and crusted on 400 ilvl. then i got vial 415 and can craft alchemy trinket.. what combo would you recommend?
remote tusk
Weird flex, but okay. Kaege.
sick sentinel
@stiff bear vial+alch
sudden kayak
any prot warriors that can help
sick sentinel
With what
sudden kayak
oh hi i was wondering to see if when we look at logs do we look at the left number or the right number
to improve
im hbbaboy
the warrior
or how do we look at logs
@sick sentinel
i always just copied the logs to wowanyzler on my rogue but tank isnt supported on that site
sick sentinel
First of all
Wowanalyzer does not work for warriors
I can't really look at your log rn because I'm on my phone
sudden kayak
no worries
sick sentinel
But chuck it down #449510248579858432 as well
sudden kayak
kk
stiff bear
@sick sentinel thanks! so many trinkets to choose from right now 😛
elder sphinx
any good WA recomendation?
sick sentinel
i suggest sense's WA
sudden kayak
@sick sentinel do u know how to read logs do we check the left number or right number to see if we did good
sudden kayak
im new what does that mean
sudden kayak
oh ok
so spam shield block got it
alot of haste will make shield block available all the time right
thats how most warriors do it?
sick sentinel
you can use shielblock 3 times
then you use last stand and you DO NOT use shieldblock while last stand is up
and then you can shieldblock again
sick sentinel
@sudden kayak you can link but im not expert i check what most people check shield block% main rotation rage generation stuff like that
you can look in % blocked attacks
modern brook
I usually arent on during the weekene
Do we usually repeat easily accessible information so much????
sick sentinel
yeah
naive barn
It's not worth sacrificing ilvl to get more BoM traits, is it?
oblique garnet
No
naive barn
Ty
empty marsh
Question for those have killed Jaina on Mythic. My guild is going to start progression on her next week in hopes to get her down before the content patch. With the changes to her it should be very doable.
I'm curious though what tank combination would be best.
We have a Blood DK that will be my counterpart.
I have access to a 317 Prot Warrior and a 318 Brewmaster. I've heard that safe guarding is very good on this fight but stagger can also be very useful for the frozen stacks from Jaina.
Thoughts from others would be greatly appreciated.
sick sentinel
Prot+BRM is best setup IMO
empty marsh
Sadly both both the Prot and Brew are on my account...the other tank only has access to Blood DK
sick sentinel
BDK is really bad for jaina
empty marsh
I know...trust me I have tried convincing my guild
I would assume that Avalanche P2 on BDK will suck...
strong forum
during p2 you get escorted
jagged geyser
What traits do you guys recommend for the eng helm in mythic plus
strong forum
by your cotank
@jagged geyser if you like damage you go with bombs, for overall utility go with RNG
jagged geyser
ty
honest frigate
BDK isn't really bad for jaina
jagged geyser
i saw an old post saying spark was really good, but it isnt seeming like it
honest frigate
that's inaccurate
BDK is best tank at cheesing freezing blood and can solo avalanche, and can handle boss damage just fine if you play well
But Prot+BRM are best.
jagged geyser
cauterizer or tron? Or change them out depending on weeks
sick sentinel
tron is generally better but I switched to cauterizer for some KR spam and I am too lazy to change it back
jagged geyser
lol
civic isle
For mythic + talents - bolster or never surrender ?
honest canopy
Never surrender
honest canopy
Come one Laege
Its satursay night
If we aint allwoed to post Check The Pins anymore.
sick sentinel
I do not follow bad advice saturday
sick sentinel
ty ❤
astral crystal
tank combo doesnt matter on jaina
the damage intake is very controlled
unless youre doing something weird
strat-wise
that said, with prot you can cheese avalances ez
civic isle
I got two different answers. Bolster? Or never surrender for mythic plus
warm plinth
@civic isle Bolster 100% of the time
white hamlet
Hey guys, should I drop 100ilvls for 5% leech?
final mist
@honest canopy Do not give people troll answers. Ever.
“Bad Advice Saturday” does not exist here, never has, and it never will.
warm plinth
Also just realized that mobile Skyhold added like 8 messages after I pinged that guy to correct Nikki’s troll, one of which was a correct answer 😅 Sorry Frozen
open bluff
99.99% of the time, you never use never surrender; if you're in that .01% of situations where it's useful, you'll already know
final mist
It’s never useful.
honest canopy
Still its there
final mist
Any situation in which NS is “useful” is mitigated by just playing better.
sick sentinel
on that 00.01% of the time that you think it is useful, it's not
outer dew
@empty marsh you can run BDK fine. You can set it up so only you have to run avalanche
sick sentinel
you think you do, but you don't
outer dew
So the BDK never does avalanche
cinder pasture
NS is useful to give everyone here an aneurysm 🙃
undone sun
Accurate
outer dew
If you tank first in p2. Swap on 2nd bait. You'll be Gucci to have the BDK never have to run avalanche
warm plinth
RIP Nitro
sick sentinel
and it's a lot more annoying
outer dew
Yeayea, but it still should be okay where you can just have one tank doing it
Just have hunter friend run out with you for 2nd one
And run with your co tank first
Btw. I'm never drinking again
Fuck me
viscid rampart
hmmm haste mast hands 420 vs CoS sheild gloves 415 ? :S
outer dew
@sick sentinel btw have you had tron troll you?
Dont remember of they fixed it
Absorbatron ints your keys with shroud
(:
open bluff
@viscid rampart take the ilvl
outer dew
A very toxic boi
warm plinth
CoS shield gloves 🤢
honest canopy
Thing is
You cant allways say ply better and The positive effect is gone and smt else vette. E
Better
For some X Will be what they need, enjoy and are capeable of
Triggers me that people in General think everyone is good enough to play The best sim build
Also. Sims aint The best
Whatever makes you performs The best at your lvl in regards to The boss is what matters. Fk The sims.
sick sentinel
Would it be possible to set up a WA that took the block/reflect list and then whenever a spell in that list shows up, it displays an icon of the appropriate ability? I figure it would be alot of work.
lusty grotto
its possible
but some spells require reading
like cyclone strike
honestly if i could do it, i wouldn't
because i'm against of the whole dumbing down thing
edgy breach
Where can I find the list of which azerite traits I need and how many of each
lusty grotto
icy veins
sick sentinel
take less dmg, can focus more on dps, less stress on healer, complete runs faster
lusty grotto
edgy breach
ty
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel you can also like get better at the game instead
warm plinth
Isn't that essentially what Marok's SR WA does? It alerts you when something you can reflect gets cast? I haven't used it yet but pretty sure that's what it does.
sick sentinel
wouldn't that be getting better? you'd know what you damage you can avoid or reduce even further.
warm plinth
Well, the blocking thing should be almost useless, because you should be blocking whenever you're tanking something
lusty grotto
its in an excel sheet
sick sentinel
we have a spreadsheet to tell us what is blockable-reflectable
warm plinth
As far as reflects go, there are few enough that you should be able to memorize them over time, and some aren't actually required but they do damage to the boss (like cyclone strikes, which is entirely avoidable outside of reflecting it)
sick sentinel
having something to tell you what to do makes you WORSE at the game
it's like having a rotation weak aura
warm plinth
I'm sure what you're asking is entirely possible, but I wouldn't begin to know how to make it 😅
sick sentinel
well, if thats how you feel, i feel like it could be helpful, since im not a robot and could forget something in a heated moment
you don't keep a spreadsheet in your head
you do the dungeons enough
and you get experience
lusty grotto
there's how many dungeons in the game? 10? and you're basically running them over and over again. Memorizing is quite simple with repetition.
sick sentinel
if you knowingly reflect one you will always know that you can reflect that
to be fair, i don't want something that plays the game for me either but if i can eek out an advantage somehow that doesn't break ToS, why not?
sharp acorn
Yeah, Get Good isn't exactly helpful as a reply to a WA question. That said, WA kind of exists to show useful information, as do DBM, Details, et cetera. Use whatever tools you like.
undone sun
because it encourages laziness and you wont really ever learn how to play properly
sick sentinel
because it actively makes you worse at the game
you rely on it
sometimes you should not spell reflect somethng
so you have spell reflect for something more important
for example spell reflecting a gust from the first boss of ToS and then not having spell reflect up for cyclone strike
neon tangle
@sick sentinel @lusty grotto I wouldn’t 100% shit on using tools like that, it’s fine that hammers make you better at driving nails
The problem is when there’s context and situational awareness you have to account for that the tool either can’t or doesn’t do
sharp acorn
I dunno, at that point it's entering elitist gameplay police territory. BUT, it is true that knowing the reason for SRing something or not is more important than just knowing if you CAN
sick sentinel
most of the time i try to use my SR ontop of IP to help mitigate spell damage
since 20% reduce
er, well thats bleed damge, but same idea
neon tangle
@lusty grotto it’s the internet, picking out some tiny thing you were wrong about and nitpicking it to death is what happens
(Also I didn’t see anything about why the tools were bad, just that they make you a worse player)
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
I was the one that was on about making you a worse player, not nim
neon tangle
Eh he also said stuff about being reliant on an addon making you not a better player
Which I take as “worse”
sick sentinel
fair
lusty grotto
memorizing timers is on a whole different level than knowing what is blockable and what isn't
neon tangle
You don’t really need to memorize timers
lusty grotto
im making a comparison to DBM
neon tangle
I know, I’m saying that you could do a raid with just the in-game alerts and do OK
But having the info makes it easier
sharp acorn
I suspect you might have a more productive conversation in the channel dedicated to the tool which apparently makes you a worse player, if you have WA questions, @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
oh of course, if you want to actually make the weak aura we're not stopping you, you can ask in #ui-addons-manager
neon tangle
Similarly having something that lets you know something is reflectable is useful (imho), even if people don’t need it or want to memorize it
lusty grotto
because that comment is as far removed from "producting conversation" than anything you have considered as such
neon tangle
Similarly after a while tier of raiding i don’t really need DBM
sick sentinel
to be fair
sick sentinel
marok's WA does that basically
lusty grotto
well it doesn't include blockables iirc
sick sentinel
i asked for one on reddit, but it didn't seem very helpful when i imported it
neon tangle
I thought we were talking about spell reflect?
lusty grotto
he said both blockable and spell reflectable
neon tangle
What the fuck am I even arguing about
lusty grotto
also reddit 🤢
neon tangle
Oh, blockable, yeah, it’s like 2 bosses
sick sentinel
I was using the marok WA
but I uninstalled it because I stopped looking at it completely after a bit
neon tangle
@sick sentinel for SR I’d try out Maroks WA, for blockable damage there’s a pretty small number of places where you can’t block stuff
E.g. last two bosses of ML
lusty grotto
there's also the fact that protection is a proactive spec
and also
if you're relying on a WA to alert you when chemical burn is being cast so you can reflect, you will 100% fail that reflect every time
because it is so fast, you have do it before-hand
that same thing can be applied to grong's grip
if you don't know you have to reflect only if you're the receiver of the third combo attack, you will fail it as well
civic isle
I got two different answers earlier to my question....lol.....Bolster? Or never surrender for mythic plus which is is suppose to be better ?
sick sentinel
you NEVER use never surrender
civic isle
Ok
sick sentinel
nikkj found it funny to give wrong advice
civic isle
Thank u
warm plinth
Never surrender to using never surrender
sick sentinel
bolster is superior because it gives 100% block uptime for 15 seconds when you use LS, which LS cd can be reduced by spending rage
lusty grotto
and also reduces LS's cooldown by itself
cursive skiff
guys is blood siphon better than winds of war ?
warm plinth
Yes
outer dew
gimme the juicy leech
undone sun
🗞
neon tangle
It’s from anger management
lusty grotto
i love people that just flat out insult you in whispers for declining them lmao
lusty grotto
wdym i'm enjoying it
just tell them "this is an amazing way to get invited, here you won it", invite them and then kick them and they go all out in whispers
sick sentinel
I just realized I send the screenshot to the wrong discord lmao
lusty grotto
lol
sick sentinel
I wanted to send it to my mplus discord
lusty grotto
i mean it could have been worse
kindred rapids
Hi there recantly come on this channel, I'm Dyslocks prot war on Hyjal.
I'm asking a few question, in M+ what's stats is it best to have%?
What's trinkets is it best for maximize dps?
Here I run 20% haste, 8% vers, 17 Crit and 30 mastery. With alchemy stone and the UD trinkets
Thanks in advance for you response
sick sentinel
okay trinkets are kind of a touchy topic because depending on what you have available (forges/sockets), what type of content. what level of content and how comfortable you are
stats do not matter as much as wearing your highest ilvl
lusty grotto
fucking alliance man
im about to just not play my rogue anymore fuck it
so stupid
no wonder on average they are sub 1k
jesus christ lol
orchid token
@kindred rapids the guide to stats is that your bag ilvl and equipped ilvl should be the same
maybe 1 less max
steel mauve
not entirely true when it can come to trinkets, like a sporepods 425 with other lower ilvls trinkets
sick sentinel
dropping 15 ilvls on a piece of gear, for example on a trinket it's 1 bag ilvl drop
sick sentinel
i think i would cry if i got a 425 spores
undone sun
reasonable
sick sentinel
then again, at that ilvl, may actually be useful...
open bluff
expulsom's still pretty useless at this point in the expac
sick sentinel
i don't know why but for me like every day now there has been a turn in X crafting items and get 5 explusom
open bluff
it's been gold for me 
sick sentinel
https://www.wowhead.com/item=165755/honey-potpie "slow melee attackers' movement speed by 30% for 5 sec." thoughts?
low wind
415 abyssal gloves from CoS or 420 gloves with crit mastery
junior ivy
420
steel mauve
the gear from CoS minus possibly the trinket pretty much needs to be 15 ilvls higher for it to be an upgrade
near ivy
???
stoic pilot
Idk the trinket kinda feels meh
I’d say that needs to be 15 ilvls higher, not the other stuff
junior ivy
omg dont lsiten t ome
i dont even play wow
i dunno why i said 420 and answered that question
steel mauve
if you can use the trinket correctly it can be one of the strongest survival trinkets, whether you need it or not is a different stroy but i enjoy using it, gloves need to be a 15 ilvl upgrade to equip, and the belt i believe is the same way
stoic pilot
Does less dmg than a dps trinket and heals less than an opulence at same ilvl
So I just don’t use mine
steel mauve
depending on the fight i can get it to heal near my diamond, but other fights its not as effective to use it on, but im speaking purely raid perspective, dps trinkets would be far stronger in m+
stoic pilot
ahh okay yeah i was talking about for m+, i havent tried it in raid yet cause honestly didn't impress me in m+
steel mauve
a fight like grong, right after i land with the throw i like to intervene into the largest body of players i can and use it to fully heal from half hp
lusty grotto
yo so i found a mouse that kinda rivals mx518/g502
its called... i kid you not
glorious model o
oblique garnet
Waduhek
oblique garnet
Why do people think that uldir gear can titanforge to 425?
open bluff
it can
it's just incredibly unlikely
(assuming of course we're talking about non-azerite armor/rings/trinkets)
spice ferry
I haven’t seen any stupid tfs like we saw in legion pike that though
oblique garnet
I have not seen a single person get anything above 395 from uldir
junior ivy
is uldir the one wtih the worm at the end
jade socket
yes
oblique garnet
Till i see someone link a picture of 400+ gear from uldir theres no higher forges than 395 from there
open bluff
i mean, it's possible they have a per-instance cap
but i was under the impression that outside of azerite and weapons, there was a global cap and it's more unlikely to roll to max the lower the base ilvl is
oblique garnet
@open bluff iirc there was a post from blizzard when bod came out that uldir gear tittyforge cap would stay the same
open bluff
First I've heard of it, but it also wouldn't surprise me
sudden kayak
hey i was looking at my own logs but does any one know the order for the most damge output number 1 is thunder clap right with the trait
sudden kayak
kk
honest canopy
@sudden kayak you didnt have a look at your own logs. You posted them here and I responded. Gz on Normal Stormwall progression tho! Gl on Jaina.
sudden kayak
thanks lol
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel wake up its time to tank
sick sentinel
Hi, so if i have one thunder clap trait and one bastion of might and as next i can choice from these two, bom would be better?
quiet crane
For mplus yeah
spice ferry
1 dc and multiple bom
quiet crane
3 bom 1 dc or more depending on how much you wanna buff TC dmg
I personally run triple bom 2DC 1 IF
But that’s due to what I got
floral bolt
would you replace 400 jes howler or 410 ritual bandages for 400 vial of animated blood? 🤔
versed widget
hey guys how is iron fortress? i feel like bloodmallet undervalues it cos im sure the API has it casting revenge more than shield block
versed widget
well in that case, bonded souls v iron fort?
versed widget
sweeeet. it also has azerite veins and resounding protection which both seem good
sick sentinel
How viable is prot tank in raids vs other classes
I know in M+ it's the best but what uses does it have for raiding
spice ferry
very
astral crystal
the best tank for physical damage
sick sentinel
but how many bosses actually just purely do physical damage
ionic fern
Prot is very good on all the bosses. Remember that all the tanks struggle with magic damage now.
The only "harder" bosses are Mekka and Jadefire last phase when it comes to dmg taken.
sick sentinel
I thought paladins were the best magic mitigation
final mist
THey are, but that doesn't mean they aren't almost as bad as everyone else.
A large part of the reason for Paladins remaining the "best" magic tank is because of Holy Shield.
fickle urchin
i imagine dks are kinda good too
since its self-healing in their case, which doesnt care if the source is phys or magical
austere oar
DK are among the best thx to AMS, Self healing and massive hp pool
sick sentinel
In the end it won't matter since ur going to have re-rollers for every tank if they are meta
So by the time season 3 comes out Bdks might be back for meta
Esp if we consider the season affix of a random add doing aoe damage from 100 yards away iirc
junior ivy
hi
sick sentinel
hey cat
junior ivy
i got this horror game called stories untold it was free on epic game store
btw, whens steam sale?
silk mortar
Around 20th of june this year, if you mean the summer sale that is
woeful badge
guys for m+ is it ok to stack 3 deaf crash or go 1 only ?
junior ivy
must do 9 stacks
sand condor
crisp fractal
Hey guys .... quick question: Tonight we are going to progress on Rastakhan Mytic. my job will be to tank Bwonsamdi and the Raidlead trys to go with the no swap tactic. Should I change IF+BOM for 2xBloodsport for the shadowdamage?
oblique garnet
no
you will die
regardless
you will not be able to solo tank it with prot warrior no swaps
crisp fractal
The Plan is to BR + Shamie Ankh Totem ... but i think with 2 Warri Tanks swapping should be easy or not?
crisp fractal
Not my Plan 😉
honest canopy
Depends on setup i guess
We went with the ankh totem
Not sure why that would be harder then swapping
astral crystal
ankh totem is easy as well
mental scarab
Ankh totem?
oblique garnet
yeah doesnt consume cr
mental scarab
Cool
civic isle
#johnwick best action movie!!! Just letting everyone know 😄
pine helm
Silly Hunter monk action. (Joking ofc)
exotic spoke
We use the ahnk totem with a dk over there
exotic spoke
What do you mean?
warm plinth
Asking for help for a non-WoW game in a specific spec channel of a WoW class Discord 🤔 Maybe not the best place to find information lol.
steel mauve
um shes a friend of a cat
warm plinth
I mean I'm not surprised. 😂
oblique garnet
ayy got my ce finally
sturdy sable
Grats
warm plinth
Congrats bb
full violet
she got smacked boy
warm plinth
The gloves are trash. The belt is pretty good for survivability but not worth dropping ilevel.
You would only use the gloves if they were a very significant upgrade over what you have (like 15+ ilevels)
steel mauve
basically 15 ilvls upgrade over your other gear for both of em
winter aspen
2 very different answers lol
warm plinth
Why would you need a 15 ilevel upgrade on belt to use it? It has two secondaries and belt is a pretty minor stat gain for secondaries anyway.
winter aspen
that belt is basically free trinket tho
warm plinth
Eh, not really. You do lose some of the secondary stat budget for the effect.
The key difference is that the gloves effect is pretty shit and the belt's effect is actually decent for survival (if you actually need it, which you really shouldn't).
analog zinc
quick question, how the fuck do crit blocks work? My mastery says it blocks twice the amount, but my regular blocks are blocking 49% of the damage, I can't imagine crit blocks reduce damage by 98%, so how does it all work?
sick sentinel
it caps at 85%
bright current
what do you nerds think about filthy transfusion? dosnt seem to proc much for me in tests
\
daring bay
How does SR work on first boss in Temple?
feels like it works 80% of the time
then i fuck up randomly :V
undone sun
has to be targeting someone else, and it's possible to reflect a jolt just prior to the cyclone cast
sick sentinel
80% of the time is about right
because if he is targeting you you can't reflect it 🤣
gleaming obsidian
In what situations would I need to use the bwansamdi trinket
gleaming obsidian
Good to know. Ty
worthy dagger
i just want to play classic 😦
sick sentinel
I want to play classic somewhat as well, but i still feel as though paladins should have had some better system for holding threat or even a taunt.
at best, they will be able to tank 5 mans, and even that will be sketchy with the flaw listed.
ivory barn
ima just wanting to play my war/hunter/mage from classic
sick sentinel
It'll be nice for a while to play classic, nostalgic sounds etc, but i think people are going to quickly forget it.
Back in those days, those of us who just started to get into mmo's often had crappy computers, bad internet connections, and little to no idea how the systems in the game really worked.
We didn't know what a murloc was, how to get to searing gorge, or where the entrance to dire maul was, what the bosses could do, and what loot they could drop.
Today, everybody knows that Edward Van Cleef is the end boss of Deadmines, located in westfall atop a large pirate boat.
Quite simply, the magic of exploration, was what sent us around the world, on quests, and is often how we initially made contact with other players and thus formed friendships and guilds.
I believe without that crucial element, the project is doomed for the most part, but will still be enjoyed by some oblivous boomers.
astral crystal
i mean tbh we still dont know how to get to searing gorge or where the entrance to DM is Kappa
slim cosmos
the magic of MMOs is really all in experiencing the entire concept for the first time
for me it was Everquest originally, totally blew my mind
sick sentinel
I mean i had played runescape before that, but warcraft blew my mind.
outer dew
Everything is great during your first time
WoW was a much more accessible mmo compared to its competitors for classic
WoW's demographic was for more casual people
It's just with today's standard and comparison, somethings will feel dated and silly
Like my main draw to WoW was the sheer amount of time I dumped into WC2 and Wc3
sick sentinel
i'd like to argue that runescape was even more casual, but more hardcore in some aspects as well.
outer dew
Just because I wanted to explore the world a bit more and the lore behind everything
Runescape was for a different audience imo
sick sentinel
i remember one day, i wanted to make a pk'r, and i gave like a million gold to my lvl 3, which was alot then and those stupid mages on the way to varrock killed me.
so of course i lost that gold haha
outer dew
I was proud when I smithed out my first bronze set
sick sentinel
i'm like, lumby to varrock, can't be that hard to get to a bank....
outer dew
(:
ivory barn
i farmed in eastern plaguelands at Lights hope for days on end back then
willow scarab
You guys talking about classic?
I recently merged my old classic account to my main account
Look at this gem
sick sentinel
my OG at release account got banned and lost to time, but i still have my tabard of the protector from the TBC launch event on my rogue
and the drwaven fishing pole (a gun) from some quest
willow scarab
I went and checked all my old characters but my tabard of the protector and tabard of the competitor are nowhere to be found
I even checked my old twinks
warm plinth
You can get the competitor tabard from the tabard vendor iirc; not sure about protector though
sick sentinel
best summed up my thoughts on it, as the cryptfiends from wc3 said " What's done is done."
warm plinth
I've lost most of my original stuff. Dude I was letting play my original account merged it with another account somehow. I got the account back but transferring accounts loses a ton of shit so I didn't really reclaim anything except a couple of toons that I wasn't going to play anyway.
sick sentinel
I'm just happy that they aren't charging 60$ to buy it, like they easily could have
and people would have paid for it too, believe me
spice ferry
Less people will do it
warm plinth
Yeah, or charged a separate subscription.
lusty grotto
nah they wouldnt dr claw
spice ferry
Less people will be tempted to come back if you had to buy it outright
lusty grotto
it wouldn't have been sustainable
spice ferry
Legit everyone I’ve played wow with is coming back to try vanilla
Half of those wouldn’t of it was 60 to try
lusty grotto
nobody i played wow with in vanilla is coming back
except 1 or 2
because they know how it is
sick sentinel
I still have the guy i met at level 10 on my friends list, but he is super casual, we talk briefly once every 6 months or so, and then we go on our seperate ways
lusty grotto
like most of the people that mention classic to me are people that in fact did not play it
most of the veterans know they don't have time nowadays for that kind of shit
and obviously i aint gonna touch it
it was fun back in the day
that's it
spice ferry
Everyone wants a little taste of the good old days
They all know it’s fucking digital crack and their gunna ruin a few months of their lives because of it
lusty grotto
maybe, or they will just get bored really quickly
sick sentinel
well, it was called evercrack and warcrack for good reason....
warm plinth
But what does that matter when it's on the same sub as the main game?
lusty grotto
it doesn't
spice ferry
It doesn’t. I’ll play it a bit during downtime in wow
lusty grotto
that's why blizzard made it that way
they get cash for it
i agree with that decision it makes sense
spice ferry
Like right now I have 4 toons at 410+, am 47/48/50 neck on them all and 8/9m. I don’t need to do anything other than raid log for a while, so I’d jump in and do some vanilla if it was there but as soon as new content comes out I’d drop it for retail
lusty grotto
when you think about it... if people reactivate for classic and be like "well fuck, this is too tedious" they might jump right into BFA
sick sentinel
but hell man, if you enjoy that shit, go right ahead, i'm not going to stop any of ya'll from playing, only get one shot in this world, make sure you're doing something you enjoy.
lusty grotto
it's a win/win for blizzard
and it costs us nothing
so that's an alright move in my opinion
and by "costs us nothing" i mean current subs of course
spice ferry
Imo it’ll keep more people subbed longer
warm plinth
Hey at least we know classic will have a healthy population of alliance players with unnerfed EMFH
spice ferry
Because it’s basically two games for the price of one
lusty grotto
emfh didnt exist in vanilla though
sick sentinel
So long as i one day get the conclusion as to what happens with sargeras and the end of the burning legion, i'll be satisfied, has to come sometime right?
warm plinth
Oh you're right, that was like wrath
warm plinth
Oh yeah, didn't think about the fact that shaman and paladin will be faction specific again
sick sentinel
good ole bubble hearth, saved my ass many times
warm plinth
Tbh one of the things I'm looking forward to is all the people realizing that bloodlust didn't exist in vanilla lol
sick sentinel
i thought it did but it had a different function back then
lusty grotto
that windfury totem tho
warm plinth
Nah, Bloodlust didn't exist until BC release
sick sentinel
i played ally, so i had little insight about what horde was like.
lusty grotto
honestly though, horde might be stronger on very specific bosses like viscidus, or anything that fears (but not by a lot because dwarf priests)
sick sentinel
treasure chests in dungeons and the world will be nice again.
no clue why they ever got rid of them TBH
lusty grotto
they weren't that huge either way
lusty grotto
yeah the gems back then you used for recipes
warm plinth
Yeah, like Aquamarine
sick sentinel
in later expansions i mean, it just felt immersive or something that you were doing a dungeon and then a chest full of gold and gear was lying around, if you could open it
warm plinth
Like crafting gems, not stat gems
lusty grotto
JC wasn't around but you still use them for other recipes
honest canopy
Yeah. I refered rot hem as pearls all The time
warm plinth
lol
honest canopy
🤣
lusty grotto
right the pearls for that one enchant