ain't nobody running cables to Antartica
#protection
neon tangle
warm plinth
I found a reddit thread about it.
neon tangle
it's all satlink
sick sentinel
this week 10's are like my worst nightmare come true, shit everywhere on the ground and have to rely on pallies with bop or summonables that can taunt off so i can remove stacks
warm plinth
Yeah, it's like having excede or hughesnet here; it's not going to work for gaming
Here being murica
lusty grotto
if i see purple i run to africa tho
sharp acorn
I bless the (Ignore) Pains down in Africa
sharp acorn
I take massive physical blockable damage for my art
warm plinth
I want to meet someone who hates that song so I can hate them.
warm plinth
Eh. I still prefer the original but it wasn't horrible.
junior ivy
hi
oblique garnet
@junior ivy hi
junior ivy
whatcha doing
oblique garnet
Thinking about what to do
wicked dagger
sorry if this is a stupid question but is there a reference guide to AP inner ring traits? I can only find the spreadsheet for the outer specific ones
oblique garnet
Iirc the icy veins has the inner traits aswell
wicked dagger
ah thanks
oblique garnet
Its mostly defensive value
wicked dagger
which doesnt feel like the class really needs?
maybe I should reference bloodmallet then?
oblique garnet
You can do that
lime mantle
Innermost you always try to aim if possible for the scream one but doesn’t matter.
Second inner most anything can work normally. Ablative is worse than on Bdk and vdh as your hp shouldn’t bounce up and down bellow 10% and genhide is less value because you mitigate a lotta damage
wicked dagger
scream one?
lime mantle
Shout one
oblique garnet
?
wicked dagger
are you talking about moment of glory
lime mantle
It’s an inner mist trait that makes command last a bit more and give raw HP
Idk the name
oblique garnet
Its moment of glory
wicked dagger
Moment of Glory Icon Moment of Glory causes your Rallying Cry Icon Rallying Cry to grant additional health and its duration is increased to 12 seconds. (icyveins)
when there are many more defensives I use before Rallying cry is it really worth it?
lime mantle
It’s not for you
oblique garnet
Moment of glory is one the best
lime mantle
He didn’t specify raid or m+
wicked dagger
I'll be tanking M+ only
steel mauve
i usae rallying cry in raids as a personal
wicked dagger
ok
oblique garnet
I dont have assigned rallies so i use them freely before raid wide damage is going out to help the raid
steel mauve
very few bosses we have assigned rallies for, otherwise its as we see fit, which means for our own use or if we are competent enough to use it for the raid
oblique garnet
Yeah its usually paired with other raid cds
wicked dagger
makes sense
lime mantle
I am warped on rally and raid becaus ehealers in mine are special needs on rotating CDs and we have 1-3 warriors
lime mantle
Still it’s good to have at least one, not like we are dh starving for any defensive they can get 😂
wicked dagger
other than defensives, would you every choose ablative shielding? I picked overwhelming power
ever*
wicked dagger
I think its better for pallies
lime mantle
It’s good for Paladin/Bdk/vdh who bounce tons
lime mantle
Or if your healers aren’t good and you spend a lot of time between 20 and 40% hp at semi random.
Yes
wicked dagger
nice
worthy dagger
OP > all
wicked dagger
sweet
worthy dagger
My current azerite is 3 bm, 1 dc, 2 Meticulous and 2 OP + those crit flames
oblique garnet
unstable flames > op imo
oblique garnet
in m+ yes
wicked dagger
can you tell me why I just need to understand is all
worthy dagger
idk the amount of rage i get because of high haste is insane
wicked dagger
I've always thought haste > all
oblique garnet
unstable flames has 60%+ uptime on m+ it gives you both offensive and defensive value
worthy dagger
whats the uptime on OP
oblique garnet
25% or so
worthy dagger
ew then wtf am i doing
worthy dagger
there, now i have x3 UF
wicked dagger
ah yeah I just read every time you take damage OP decreases
worthy dagger
prot already has great aoe threat
wicked dagger
true
just curious as majority of the time I spend with more than 1 mob so wasnt sure whether to pick it for the additonal damage or go for gutripper/strength in numbers on that tier
timber nest
jaina dead
worthy dagger
i dont like gut or SiN
timber nest
ya
potent anvil
finally got a 420 shield. no more 415s equipped 👏
just need to replace 4 420s to 425s and im ilvl capped 🤔
potent anvil
when i hit ilvl cap before 8.2, i'll give you loot 🙂
spice ferry
thats disgusting
solar delta
Is Potion of bursting blood ever worth using over Strength pots? And if so, when?
sick sentinel
It's a ST pot so for raiding, only on solo boss fight
In m+ it's trash
But strength pot is better since it gives more overall to a lot of stats then BB does
But like Devastor it's only good for ST and loses value right away once u get 2+
So it works well in fights like Grong/OP(ish)/Rasta(ish)/MEKKA/Storm/Jaina
And maybe champs if ur 3 tanking
solar delta
Thanks!
sick sentinel
And when I say (ish) it's because of how the fight works, where u may be dealing with adds for a period
warm plinth
👋 🐔
sick sentinel
Hello hello
Waiting for my internet to get back on so I can do my last 3 +10 on my warrior for aotc
warm plinth
Nice. Why'd you break your internet?
sick sentinel
"Maintenance"
warm plinth
Those are my favorite times.
sick sentinel
It's. Such. An. Amazing. Feeling.
At least it didn't happen when I took finals for college
warm plinth
I was really bad about school; if my internet went down at 10pm on a Saturday, I was screwed (because I waited until the last 2 hours of the week to do my work 😂)
sick sentinel
But it's the feeling thing when u do it and get like 90/100 for a test
warm plinth
Yeah, I think my last two classes I took I had a 96.something and a 94.something 😅 #procrastinationpaysoff
sick sentinel
The worst I've ever had was doing a 15 page paper and doing it in 5 hours and getting only 2 1/2 hours of sleep for 8 hours of classes the next day
ornate wagon
so i got the grong trinket, any good use for it in prot?
sick sentinel
It's good but if I recall on it's Tooltip it says u cant block/parry
So it's real dogshit if u use while actively tanking
ornate wagon
says you cant move or use abilities, nothing about blocking
sick sentinel
So in m+ it has no actual use but in raiding if ur not tanking or taking excessive damage
undone sun
doesn't say in the tooltip, but you still auto, parry and block during the channel
ornate wagon
awesome
steel mauve
its decent for single target and good for 4-6 targets, but outside of those parameters its not great
inland mesa
is the lurker's insidious gift worth for M+ seems strong, but that cd
honest canopy
No
sick sentinel
Hi guys, noob question, on Champs of Light i should use spell reflect to drop the stacks, but i do not know when to cast it. When i část if as boss casts wave of Light he still gives mě stacks afterwards. Any adwices?
ionic fern
I haven't done CoL in a long time with needing to drop stacks but iirc you use SR before Prayer and it will reset before the cast is over.
orchid token
the only way to reset them is to book it to the other side of the room on prayer of the fallen
sick sentinel
So if we casts prayer, jump away
oblique garnet
pretty sure you can reset by spellreflecting
You do it after the prayer of the light cast
then it does the wave of light
and you drop stacks
orchid token
100% they changed it like 2nd week of the raid
sick sentinel
Icy weins is still zelling mě that i can SR
Hey quick question, if I used 2 shield blocks back to back it gives me the full duration for both correct?
Ok, will try it thx
orchid token
correct @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
TYVM
orchid token
but it's not generally the way to go unless you're in a really dangerous boss fight
you usually want to space them out a bit
1 or 2 seconds of downtime while at full health isn't likely to kill you and it provides a longer overall period of safety
sick sentinel
Sometimes I accidentally use it when there's like 1 second left on the original buff and I was wondering if I wasted that second Q-Q
orchid token
oh yeah it doesnt lose you anything
ionic fern
ionic fern
Welcome to the dark side @sick sentinel
orchid token
@ionic fern thanks for the correction, i was absolutelyp ositive, had heard it from multiple sources and tried it yself several times
oblique garnet
The boss doesnt melee you during the prayer cast so it doesnt apply any stacks
sick sentinel
It's pretty dark
orchid token
yeah, that's what i used to drop stacks
just a bit of range for the last 1-2 secs of the debuff
sick sentinel
Y, i am just like 380 so i need to drop it on heroic
So wait for prayer, then is wave of Light and than SR and i should be good
sick sentinel
I think i will leap as he casts wave of Light and use SR as i will have some extra time while we will follow mě. Usuely if i use SR just after wave of Light i do not drop stacks as he meles so often
oblique garnet
@undone sun explain to this man
undone sun
lol
correct, doesn't negate the damage while block is up. the amount of damage blocked is dependent on your block rating from off-hand shields
low wind
27% block, and 50.50% reduced dmg, is that decent?
ionic fern
Anything is decent. Considering most of your blocked attacks come from having SB itself up
low wind
fair enough
exotic spoke
Had some low 20%s mekkatorque pulls.... today...
Still feel like murderint some dps
But less so now
ionic fern
Should fall over IF everyone survives intermission and the start of the last phase.
That's a big if tho.
😂
steep frigate
What are top 3 protection warrior race for M+?
exotic spoke
What looks the best
Yeah i get that feeling. We just started to get through intermission more than a handful of people.
It’s feeling like real progress
ionic fern
There are SOME racials that bring SOME benefit in m+ but in general you can just play w/e.
Like both Dwarf racials are good since you can drop bleeds/poisons/necrotic etc but they are absolutely not mandatory in order to do good in m+
mortal brook
dwarf, dark iron dwarf, nelf.
but whatever grab whatever race you like lookin at most
exotic spoke
Pretty much the answer. They all have niche roles and there isn’t a best one (other than whatever I’m playing
Space goat has some nice things - gnome, goblin, Maghat, DiD, dwarf, etc.
They won’t make or break a strategy
mortal brook
ez choice
exotic spoke
Yeah - I’m gonna need you to reevaluate your transmog sir
mortal brook
what you mean
ionic fern
He's just preparing for Classic.
mortal brook
🌈
exotic spoke
Looking like Captain Planet over there or some shit
mortal brook
@exotic spoke fixed
mortal brook
wow, that's probably racist idk
exotic spoke
I don’t have any screenshots of my current char and transmog
I mainly meant the colors
mortal brook
🌈
exotic spoke
And why would you make a racist transmog
Why is this allowed
Obvious winner right her
I should level my horde warrior
steep frigate
@mortal brook WHAT RACE IS THAT?
exotic spoke
See what all the fuss is about in siege horde side
steep frigate
I NEED IT NOW
mortal brook
Dark Iron Dorf
exotic spoke
High five! Dwarf buddies
mortal brook
eyyy
steep frigate
Crap. Need to work on reputations.
mortal brook
works on regular dorf too!
steep frigate
lel
mortal brook
dorf \o/
exotic spoke
I don’t even know what that transmog is... is it cata or wod?
ionic fern
WoD
undone sun
BRF gear
exotic spoke
Yeah that’s the one expansion I didn’t play
Thought it could be cata too because I didn’t raid much - was going for GM
mortal brook
BRF was a solid raid
exotic spoke
Was flag bitch / MS when prot wasn’t needed
mortal brook
plus had a skip to the mount boss
exotic spoke
I’ve heard the raids where great. But they needed more end game content
undone sun
yeah, WoD was pretty empty
mortal brook
raids lasted a while. i LOVED ashran but a lot of ppl didnt
no world quests to grind
comparatively empty yeah
not as bad as 14 fuckin months of SoO tho
undone sun
wasn't HFC longer or just as long
mortal brook
jaina first boss in a while without a skip to mount >.<
undone sun
iirc it was 12 months
mortal brook
HFC 434 days, more than SOO's 429 days. man you right
undone sun
👏
mortal brook
yuck
exotic spoke
Wait... you grind WQ still?
mortal brook
not since 50 lol
daring bay
Is prot warr aggro suppose to be bad?
exotic spoke
I stopped at 48. Purely because I knew I would not 50 easily from m+ and raids
No - it’s good
undone sun
no @daring bay
threat is directly equal to damage output, and warr is currently the highest on atleast aoe
daring bay
I strugle outside avatar espc vs dh
exotic spoke
What’s the gearing like on both of you
exotic spoke
Is he being an idiot and blowing cooldowns off the bar before you attack
undone sun
healing threat is pretty minor
daring bay
Idk but i charge clap avatar demo shout then my aggro is gone :v
3 claps and its back but idk
old zephyr
Avatar charge clam is the way to go
full spruce
Skittish isn’t a problem with the dps we do
mortal brook
your two rogue meta should be able to tricks you np ^.^
ionic fern
Skittish is non-exsitant due to our sheer DPS output in most situations jeah.
daring bay
I do about 17k overall
brittle owl
that's kinda low tbh
exotic spoke
Depends on pulls
brittle owl
you shouldn't kite too much as a warrior
exotic spoke
And gearing
brittle owl
'overall'
full spruce
Tclap more
brittle owl
20k overall is totally doable in most dungeons at ~400 ilvl
and you can get that just by doing world quests
exotic spoke
True maelk. But I mean is he pulling big and aoeing 4 packs down
Or is it pack by pack
daring bay
Let me link my char
exotic spoke
Either way - does seem low
brittle owl
yes, it's either a case of missing cd's/bad rotation OR bad pulling. you shouldn't need to kite that much on a warrior this week
daring bay
Ihttps://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Erglergl
brittle owl
compared to most tanks
daring bay
Am i building wrong or playing wrong?
mortal brook
i see bloodsport
daring bay
Prob a bit of both but only been 120 for 2 weeks
ionic fern
20k should be do-able even with just thanks to Reaping if he's doing 10+'s
exotic spoke
No BoM
brittle owl
ya
undone sun
one bom
daring bay
Bom?
exotic spoke
Low azwrite gear.
brittle owl
he has 1 bom
ionic fern
Bastion of Might
brittle owl
bastion of might
exotic spoke
My bad - one BoM
mortal brook
Bastion of Might stronk
undone sun
bastion of might
daring bay
Ye only need 1 right?
exotic spoke
Three BoM
mortal brook
3 prefered
exotic spoke
All the BoM
mortal brook
3 bom, 1 dc, 2 yolo
brittle owl
stacking bom is better than stacking dc
exotic spoke
If you can take 4 you take 42
daring bay
Been trying to farm chest from mythic chamion
exotic spoke
Good option - shield there is nice too
brittle owl
fish an emissary one or just buy a 400 until you get it
exotic spoke
May you get an indestructible one
sand summit
Any tips on soaking ire’s as prot for mythic?
brittle owl
you totally should be able to do that, no point in stockpiling tr if you barely dinged
ionic fern
Have something up for all of them @sand summit and yell at healers to top you off in later stages or you'll get oneshot.
If you are 410+ you can survive ONE with full HP without anything up.
spice ferry
Or get your other tank to do it 😉
ionic fern
But in general you wanna have IP or SR or w/e els eup.
exotic spoke
Do you have any other trinkets
sand summit
SR?
daring bay
Me? I got vial to
mortal brook
spell reflect
daring bay
400
mortal brook
use that
exotic spoke
I’d use vial over bandages
brittle owl
@daring bay i'd also try to work on pull patterns. i'm 100% sure you're underpulling
ionic fern
@sand summit
daring bay
But i necrotic hurts
exotic spoke
@daring bay - I’d agree with maelkwnar. Part of it is gearing - you just need more / better pieces
Necrotic is intimidating but warriors are one of the classes best suited to it
brittle owl
tanks least affected by necrotic are paladins and woyers, in that order
sand summit
@ionic fern I was having some trouble keeping ip, not getting enough rage. Ended up playing bear so we could full clear
brittle owl
at your key levels you should only 'kite' for sanguine in most packs
mortal brook
dorf tankadin feels like straight cheating on necro 😄
oblique garnet
Oh shit its morning already
daring bay
Man i dont understand the acronyms xd
exotic spoke
When played correctly - cycling through our AM / cooldowns etc we take very little damage. If we don’t take damage it means we don’t need to be healed much - so who cares if they can’t heal as well
Which acronyms milk
daring bay
BV or any of ehm
undone sun
Booming Voice
exotic spoke
Booming voice
brittle owl
booming voice, ignore pain, spell reflect
brittle owl
active mitigation etc
ionic fern
Oh, don't mind me btw @daring bay i was answering to Prescott.
sand summit
Yeah I ran BV .
ionic fern
Well, in general i saved all my rage for one IP per soak
So i got 100 rage before soaks from attacking add
And then just saved it for soaks.
exotic spoke
You’re on the right track milk. Since you’re kiting - when do you start to kite?
daring bay
20 stacks ish
exotic spoke
Because I’d suggest - waiting 5 more stacks. Then wait 5 more stacks
brittle owl
as a rule of thumb you should start kiting at 30+ stacks
exotic spoke
Push your limit
brittle owl
unless low health
exotic spoke
^^
sand summit
Yeah I was doing that. Then you get like the 3 set of them when it’s 3 and I started struggling @ionic fern
mortal brook
:arthsad:
ionic fern
Jep, there you gotta use SR/SW/LS and externals.
No one else needs externals there anyways so you just call for them.
Gotta be vocal when soaking as warrior.
daring bay
I mean some packs almost 2 shot me like pack befor wolf boss in TD
exotic spoke
Try 25 stacks next dungeon. Then try t0 go to 30
Get a feel of it
daring bay
Or anything in ML
exotic spoke
Casters
brittle owl
pack before wolf boss and ml are because of magic dmg
exotic spoke
Fuck motherload masterminds
brittle owl
you skip masterminds anyway
exotic spoke
Interrupt the casters and pray on the masterminds
mortal brook
cant remember the last time i pulled a mastermind
exotic spoke
Two before third boss - are you death skipping?
sand summit
@ionic fern yeah ty man. I’ll give that a try next week and plan out more. Was not having fun today
daring bay
I feel like i could do 17 FH but nit a 13 ML
brittle owl
pull 74% in ml before first boss
ionic fern
Heh, i feel it. Also the healers gotta be on point with topping you if you don't have externals/CD's.
exotic spoke
That’s a pathing and balance issue
brittle owl
and do a dkuble death skip
brittle owl
also shroud/invis the pack before the second boss
daring bay
I tried the dratnos routes
exotic spoke
I should do that more.
sand summit
Yeah on one. I soaked got thrown right on top of a charge lmao
brittle owl
and you basically skipped the whole dangerous part
exotic spoke
Makes sense
oblique garnet
Work only with coordinated groups
ionic fern
Remember that you can Intercept+Leap to the correct spot when you are getting "thrown" after a soak.
brittle owl
dratnos routes are a good starting point, since alot of people use them, but you should start doing your own
exotic spoke
Anyway.
In summary milk - get more practice - you’re on the right path. Bigger pulls - less kiting - check pathing ad you’ll be good
oblique garnet
Riki you played civ right?
oblique garnet
Yeah so i was playing civ5 and some infidels brought their missionaires to my city so naturally i started a war and then few turns later now i have half of the earth🤔
exotic spoke
Lol. So in 6 they added grievances and world congress
oblique garnet
World congress is in 5 aswell afaik
exotic spoke
So I got attacked; lost a city
Declare war of reconquest; recapture that city and some for interest
Then two other civs attack because I’m a warmonger
And well... there’s three less enemy dogs now
Civs
oblique garnet
Pretty much every civ is afraid of me at this point xD
exotic spoke
The game just can’t figure out how to fight one on one - and then they clog their units and don’t have enough room to move so I can pick what I want to kill
Anyway I’m out - gotta get up in 6 hours
night crow
You guys find any value in spore pods? Had a 410 one drop yesterday.
undone sun
nope
ionic fern
Ofc.
It has value..DE it and put the Veiled Crystal to AH..easy gold.
sudden kayak
hey is bwonsambis bod trinket good for prot
ionic fern
No.
sudden kayak
kk
ionic fern
It benefits you only if you die..and as a tank you don't really plan on dying so it's just a useless trinket.
sudden kayak
yea i die alot since im 365 item level cant pull big just hit 120 but am queing for mythic 0's
ionic fern
If you're that low then it doesn't really matter what you use since all of your gear is going to be replaced in a matter of days anyways.
sudden kayak
true
ionic fern
But in general Bwonsamdis trinket is trash and not worth using over the other options out there.
warm plinth
Also you shouldn't be dying a lot. 365 is more than high enough for M0s. Make sure you read through the icy-veins guide, specifically the information on the rotation and how to use your cooldowns. Prot warriors typically die because they played poorly.
zenith matrix
Question. How are you guys dealing with debuffs such as dot from berserkers in KR and reanimated guards in AD at high keys this week? If I kite, a dps gets it, if I stay too long, necrotic piles up too much.
Then I just fall over cuz i can't get rage to ignore pain, or it just does nothing.
ionic fern
Pets/stuns/Dwarf racial(IF you have it). Defensives/Externals.
orchid token
there's also nothing wrong with giving it to a DPS
ionic fern
There's little you can do about it.
If a DPS does get one stack he'll just pop a defensives and live through it
orchid token
the bleed is not reduced by armor and you have no baseline DR that DPS don't have
2 stacks on you and 1 on a DPS is a lot easier to heal than three on you
ionic fern
And use a Healthstone there for example. 🤷
orchid token
some DPS can also avoid it
it can be dodged or parried
so if a demon hunter has quick reactions and knows what to do they can blade dance just as the cast goes out while they're the closest
and avoid it entirely
zinc garnet
hunters can sacrifice their pets to it
orchid token
for the KR berserkers it can be forced, since the DH keeps track of how long it's been since the last one, stuns it just before it's about to go off, and then uses the stun time to get next to it
hidden linden
Havoc DH are the kings of KR: Berserker's DoTs + 2 out of the 3 minibosses in the council have mechanics that can be cheesed
orchid token
since it will cast the bleed immediately after stun wears off
rogues can do the same though slightly less often with gouge into riposte
zenith matrix
Yeah I don't run with many pet specs in my group. May just have to let a dps take 1 every now and then and use a personal. Thanks for the help.
orchid token
for atal there's little choice but to let the DPS have it
tbh the real issue with kiting isnt the honor guard bleeds
it's the shield slams
zenith matrix
Yeah I've noticed that as well.
orchid token
since they operate the same way and are much deadlier to DPS
brittle owl
most of these are avoided since ideally you only pull 1 honor guard
the only dangerous shield slams are on the pull on the stairs after volkaal
finite gull
Does hero debuff [Exhaustion] Get removed on starting up a key? Misshit a drums of war trying to put gems in haha
brittle owl
and you can use a lust there to mitigate, and pull it with the 2 stealth mobs
oblique garnet
Pulling the 2 stealth mobs before is safer and then pulling the downstairs pack
The stealthmobs actually hurt alot
Shield slams are fine as long as you have block up
brittle owl
if you don't use lust there, sure. but it's a p good lust spot on fortified, and if you do, it's a waste to not pull those
up to individual groups though
oblique garnet
those first 2 usually trigger reaping
I like to pull them separately and pull reaping with the downstairs pack + lust
brittle owl
fair enough
ionic fern
I did that before but now we just pull them all together.
UNless it's a teeming key..then we do it separately.
honest canopy
Quick question, anyone know if there is new feasts n flasks / pots coming for 8.2, or still the same? 🤔
ah, new flask and pots
but what about feasts?
neon tangle
New feast, gems, enchants
New everything
@honest canopy also a little rework for how crafted gear works
neon tangle
It will always be 5ilvls below mythic tier
honest canopy
oh i see
neon tangle
But has a socket
honest canopy
So new engihead will be 440 but with socket?
neon tangle
I think to stop method from using profs to feed/funnel gear
honest canopy
since M gear will be 445 i guess?
neon tangle
Not sure for eng helm
For offset pieces method and friends would level every profession and craft the gear then drop it and level the next
honest canopy
I just reached neck 48 on ny Guardian to have it ready, was about to lvl proffs today. Alch/Engi on clappa.
neon tangle
To unlock trading gear for a bunch of slots
honest canopy
Ah
neon tangle
This will end up with stronger gear (especially with the better gems from 8.2)
But without the ilvl trading sillyness
Maybe a little nerf to the jc ring since it already had a socket and was mythic ilvl
sudden kayak
now i know why this prot warrior told me to look for haste as a prot warrior because it makes it faster for revenge to be back up?
sudden kayak
kk im new to prot warrior
neon tangle
Check out the guide from the pins
sudden kayak
kk
neon tangle
But just for revenge, it’s fairy rare to press it outside of the free procs
honest canopy
Revenge in my Hearth
sudden kayak
doesnt revenge hit all targets for cleave?
neon tangle
Yes
sudden kayak
cleave aggro i mean
sick sentinel
you mostly want to hit it once to spread deep wounds
rose moat
Thunderclap?
hidden linden
You generally get your AoE aggro from TC
sick sentinel
then thunderclap and shield slam are more important
sudden kayak
kk will do
rose moat
Check the icy guide, its good
strong forum
Haste = rage
Rage is needed for shieldblock ignore pain and revenge
Spending rage = lesser CDs
And in 8.2 with the refund essence it gets even better
Rage = Rage
sick sentinel
😡
strong forum
The refund essence is gonna be sick
strong forum
Eh idk, but I like the analogy
sick sentinel
potential?
strong forum
People are already running full crit
oblique garnet
Yes
sick sentinel
strong forum
Or am I missing information with revenge
sick sentinel
🤔
oblique garnet
No you are not
It was different alternative incase the warrior nerfs would have been too big
strong forum
Oh so maybe with 6th ring, you could run 3x BoM 3x CR and revenge build maybe?
sick sentinel
best served cold lmao
oblique garnet
^
strong forum
If they would buff the talent
To like 75 or 100%
It could be good
Decent*
Not good but decent
oblique garnet
Its been almost 2 months tho
It was just to prepare to the worst case scenario of UF getting gutted
sick sentinel
give us bladestorm lmao
oblique garnet
🤔
What if
You choose the vision essence as arms that gives you bladestorm
Randomly
And then you go prot?!
oblique garnet
Unlucky
oblique garnet
Yeah
strong forum
Fucking lamo
hidden linden
10/10 would beyblade again
oblique garnet
Arms is insane in pvp with BoM tho
oblique garnet
Its the bleed
strong forum
No, the traits are nerfed by 50% in pvp
oblique garnet
Yeah
oblique garnet
Idk how your bleed only hit for 6k
strong forum
I'm not paying attention
Could be 8k
But nowhere near good numbers
With 415 equipped and full haste crit gear ( I don't have any versa gear)
full spruce
@sick sentinel gg on your CE. I ranked first reclear after jaina but sat for jaina so they could confirm the new strat with last weeks kill group. Sadly played monk and dk for the reclear. War is 418 so just need a saucy WF for an upgrade
sick sentinel
we tried the new strat
we decided to just do it normally
and it worked better
"how can you wipe on the elemental's children?" I don't fucking know
oblique garnet
Missed kicks?
oblique garnet
Not leaving with heart of frost?
sick sentinel
honestly I have no idea, I can send you some logs or something if you are curious
oblique garnet
Its either that or you all died to arcane barrage
oblique garnet
Those were first 3 deaths
full spruce
I just hope over next 6 weeks I can swing all 6 of my tanks through 9/9 and be happy
sudden kayak
does ironfortress trait stack?
mortal carbon
sick sentinel
@sudden kayak #268491842637660160
marble cipher
changes to P1 will mean you'll have less balista's on fire, and due to her health nerf, timings are slightly different to what you're used to (she might lust at another point in the phase now rather than the point you're used to)
P3 is a walk in the park now, it's insane how much easier it felt on rekill yesterday
sick sentinel
we had like 17 pulls or so yday and the balista caught on fire like once
when we tried to do the new strat we wiped so we went and did it the normal way instead because we're more used to it
p2 timers are a bit fucked up tho, icefall happens the same time as broadside so you don't know where exactly to place the warlock portal
signal plover
The delayed icefall is a bit fucky in P2, especially for the avalanche tank
sick sentinel
our brm hated it
sick sentinel
unluck
signal plover
I guess we could wind rush it too
sick sentinel
or roar
signal plover
No roar
signal plover
One of our boomies would love to go feral but he's not up on it
We have two windrushes tho and I think one is free there.
Does freedom remove the slow effect from CT?
sick sentinel
oh with 2 windrushes you're fine
you can drop one then
then drop on when you kill wall
signal plover
Yeah plus at that point we're moving boss in the other direction AND we could pre drop it for 4th broadsides
Ya we'll do that
astral crystal
i think we only used windrushes in p1 and p1.5
signal plover
We're def underusing em atm
astral crystal
yeah that's the best time to use movement abilities
we also popped windrush at the start so MCs can get off the boat faster
sick sentinel
a roar when we kill wall and a windrush after we free bitchboi
orchid token
astral crystal
nice
signal plover
Yeah we do one off the boat and then for left group to get to boss to bait 1st ray
astral crystal
no leech though????
sick sentinel
phat ring
orchid token
I enchant siphoning for my Leech
astral crystal
shard it
orchid token
Pepega
north dove
Good Morning fellow Sword&Boards
exotic spoke
Fancy ring
north dove
whats the state of the game currently? I think I stopped playing 8 months ago?
sick sentinel
depends on what you like to do tbh
it is not in the greatest of states, that's for sure
orchid token
The hard reaming of BfA has softened to a gentle thrusting
sick sentinel
but looking at the new patch there is a lot of hope
exotic spoke
BfD is better than uldir imo. M+ are good and prot is desired there
orchid token
And 8.2 promises some lube
astral crystal
8.2 gonna be lit
sick sentinel
BoD was lit
astral crystal
im mad at bod for killing my guild after we killed jaina
but also bod had my favorite encounter of all time so far
orchid token
Better than doing it before Jaina
daring bay
8.2 is nerfing prot thou :c
sick sentinel
our surv is mostly what matters
exotic spoke
It’s minimal dps loss and with perfection in its current form our dps will still be good
modern brook
honestly with perfection our dps is prob getting an overall buff
but they wont keep avatar AM + Perfection as is
See cof
we might get like ~3 weeks at most of fucking around with it
exotic spoke
Bull, out of curiosity what do you think they will change? Changing what perfection effects? Removing avatar from AM? Something else?
marble cipher
If anything, I assume they could change it to shield wall over avatar, to grant a defensive at times you won't need/want it (like they always do to feck over tanks)
and like the effect is now for BrM
oblique garnet
It would make no sense to grant sw
That would just be stupid
40% dr
Seems balanced
marble cipher
Oh, for sure it won't make sense
But at some point devs will think "oh my, that's too much avatar uptime, let's change the essence"
neat crow
guys I have a question, is it worth going for Incite the pack and tradewinds instead of 2x Revenge traits ?
for m+ I mean
neat crow
I am not sure if the universal traits have lower uptime as prot
sick sentinel
"not as good" and "bad" are 2 completely different things
neat crow
I dont, i think that its dmg is amazing but wasnt sure about the universals
because they proc mastery
oblique garnet
Mediocre uptime versus increased damage on ability you will use alot in m+
neat crow
my stats are very crit/haste heavy
neat crow
crit 23% haste 19 % vers 5.3% mast 23 %
oblique garnet
Im assuming you have 3xBoM
neat crow
only 2x unfortunately
sick sentinel
eng helm?
neat crow
no
sick sentinel
IF
oblique garnet
^
neat crow
alrighty just respec my traits thanks a bunch guys 😄
junior ivy
k ineed a game to play bedsides sims 4
i spend HOURS creating a family, designing house, etc etc and when its finally time to play im like nah trhis is boring
austere oar
shut summit
😬
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet I agree with you. I don’t know what they would change it too if not avatar. Shield wall would be stupid. Same with last stand.
oblique garnet
Ravager
exotic spoke
Would it grant ravager if you don’t talent it too?
oblique garnet
Dunno
exotic spoke
The obvious answer is no.... so it’d be a waste
oblique garnet
Theres not a single ability other than avatar that would make sense on the essence
carmine ibex
It'd probably be Last Stand tbh
oblique garnet
Nope
That wouldnt make sense
Because then it would both heal for 20% and grant shieldblock for extra 5 seconds
carmine ibex
Half the stuff Blizzard does doesn't make sense
oblique garnet
On a 35% proc chance
carmine ibex
I really don't think they're going to change it regardless
oblique garnet
Pretty much
carmine ibex
And they'll just leave prot wars and prot pals as the only two tanks with good VoP
if they do anything, they will probably make the Azerite traits not activate on proc
like if you press avatar or wings, you get the effects of BoM/ Avenger's might, but when you get a VoP proc, you dont
which is a much bigger nerf for prot warriors than prot paladins, since not many prot paladins run avenger's might
so would balance them a bit
but still lol@ every other tank
strong forum
The other tanks use it as minor essence
16.5% cdr on their respective CD ain't half bad if you ask me
carmine ibex
It's not bad, but they're all defensive abilities.
strong forum
Cuz they don't have offensive ones
exotic spoke
^^
sick sentinel
Incarn 
carmine ibex
lol, yes, they don't have any
umbral forge
https://i.imgur.com/5OtRbMZ.jpg
@honest canopy LOOK
carmine ibex
but that doesn't change the fact that no other essence has a net dps gain as powerful as VoP for war/pal
undone sun
Incarn 😡
honest canopy
Okey Jettom thats amazing gucci
carmine ibex
which is going to affect the tank representation in keys
exotic spoke
How much dps does this gain for us? I haven’t seen numbers yet.
oblique garnet
Tauren priest🤢
undone sun
Because it's still too early to start judging, considering it changes almsot every build
exotic spoke
Also, changing several things at once will likely cause some unpredictable changes in class representation in keys
strong forum
Talents only things don't make sense for VoP
So that's also what you gotta watch out for
exotic spoke
But 
undone sun
🗞
exotic spoke
We get a dps nerf from The talent. But this comes back and buffs us. Everything is changing. Giving us more mitigation doesn’t seem like a great idea...
Maybe VoP isn’t used for the other classes. Who knows yet - we don’t have all the information
I deserve that thyme.
oblique garnet
I think the affix will have bigger effect on classes in m+ than the essences
undone sun
Basically nothing important
oblique garnet
If the minibosses are something that punishes aoeing warrior will probably not be good
carmine ibex
We already know enough about the new affix and the new essences to predict the meta
wars and pals
undone sun
15% armor and let's you spam thrash
undone sun
It's basically infested 2.0
sick sentinel
so, cc town?
carmine ibex
Yes, it's not as easy as reaping, it's a single mob that must be killed during a 10 second channel
it is immune to all CC
thorn notch
Hi, Is Bonded soul any good now?
carmine ibex
if you don't kill it within the 10s channel, its buffed 100% and pulses aoe
oblique garnet
Thats it?
carmine ibex
yes
oblique garnet
???
sick sentinel
bonded souls has been nerfed and it's not that good anymore
oblique garnet
It wasnt that good before
undone sun
It's in the same vein as infested so it's meant to slow down pulls
carmine ibex
its; buffed 50% during the 10s cast, and buffed 100% when the cast completes, but doesn't get a heal, so it will only get e% translation heal from the HP buff
exotic spoke
We “know” this just like we “knew” VoP would be 50% duration of whatever it was used
Shit changes. Until it’s live anything is on the table
carmine ibex
i.e. you want to get it as low as possible or dead when it's complete
oblique garnet
So ele shamans will be top tier
exotic spoke
You know nothing Jon Snow
^^
Ele shaman are good and see usage as top tier in keys. Spriests too
sick sentinel
main your shaman and become a permanent member of my group
oh wait
my healer goes to sleep when you start playing 🤣
sick sentinel
that would help
carmine ibex
It's already too late in the dev cycle for bliz to change anything major other than numbers
oblique garnet
Wouldnt put it past them to entirely scrap everything
carmine ibex
I would, that's way too much effort
exotic spoke
I’d agree... but look at what led to BFA in general. They’ll change it
carmine ibex
they always go with the lowest effort shit possible
exotic spoke
If they want to
Hence why we didn’t have all talents on beta until what - a month before launch?
carmine ibex
yeah and those talents don't change much at that point, not matter how much PTR feedback they get
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel you want me to srsly be dps for your group? Idm if you want since cba playing tank rn
sick sentinel
Ye my dude
carmine ibex
took them two patches to "fix" azerite even though they knew it was bad in 8.0 beta
sick sentinel
I can give you the @keys role on my discord and you'll get pinged every time we do keys
near ivy
👀
lusty grotto
🗞
edgy horizon
is the icyveins guide the go-to guide for prot warrrior?
sick sentinel
Yes
edgy horizon
ok ty
strong forum
Ah I see you're a man of culture aswell nikkj
autumn pendant
Wonder where is that guy with ravager this week
sick sentinel
@autumn pendant there is
sick sentinel
Shawrus runs ravager
stone imp
dat parry tho
sick sentinel
Arms ResidentSleeper
Imagine going from literally the highest apm spec in the game rn
To the second lowest
Third lowest
sick sentinel
Unsurprisingly enough, out of the top 7 specs, I play 6 of them
(Top on that list not in terms of power)
Why is brew so high though, what does he even do?
sick sentinel
Frost dk can literally fall asleep on the keyboard
brisk ferry
wow bummer, last time I played it it felt super fast, but I think that was maybe woD?
sick sentinel
Last time I played was cataclysm
It was just aa and wait for things to light up
And if they did you pressed them
brisk ferry
exciting
sick sentinel
Energy classes are locked to 1s gcd right?
brave mauve
Tfw no double-gcd locked nighthold arms
Why even live
sick sentinel
Double gcd locked is slightly too much tbh
I haven't played it so I don't know
But still
brave mauve
I mean, it wasn't literally double locked, but it was something crazy like 90-100 apm? It was highest in the game at the time.
You just destroyed your keyboard smashing FR
sick sentinel
100+ apm was glad stance as well
brave mauve
So good
sick sentinel
And EN spriests
modern brook
@exotic spoke sorry busy at work - they'll change the proc rate of Perfection for prot warriors or move it to last stand / shield wall
lusty grotto
they already nerfed perfection
modern brook
We're always going to take bare minimum the minor of it
modern brook
alch/engineering
sick sentinel
^^
modern brook
anything else is irrelevant to actual content
honest pelican
eng for the helmet?
modern brook
and battle rez
sick sentinel
and belt enchant
modern brook
^
honest pelican
and alch for bigger potions and double flask?
modern brook
knockback belt during sanguine 👌
yup
also the trinket is p ok
not the best but good enough
honest pelican
heh, sanguine + necrotic sucksssss
i tanked 1 +10 this week and i think i'll take the rest of the week off 😃
heady bluff
Hello people, what kind of alchemy trinket should i craft? The on use or the random proc one? Is there any difference?
brisk ferry
there's only 1 though, isn't there?
lusty grotto
theres only one that goes up to 415
brisk ferry
oh jesus just go run a WQ
honest pelican
so that 415 alchemy trinket has versitility
is that better than a strength trinket of equal ilvl?
lusty grotto
yes
it depends on the trinket you're comparing it to
you cant just say any str trinket
honest pelican
you think alchemy + mekkatorque trinket is best combo?
lusty grotto
because sporepods have STR, and they are crap
no
well to be fair, if that's the best you have then yes
honest pelican
what would be BiS?
lusty grotto
:triggered:
brisk ferry
lol I was waiting for that
ionic fern
We did it guys.
lusty grotto
lmao
brisk ferry
grats!
ionic fern
😂
honest pelican
grats!
brisk ferry
brisk ferry
do we know if neck level is relevant going into next patch?
brisk ferry
ah poop, warr and monk both sitting at 48 cause I don't care lol
mortal brook
@ionic fern
heady bluff
wow.... photoshop skill level Asian