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patent spoke
Ah gotcha.
hollow root
is it true that you don't get anymore healing after 33 stacks of necrotic?
sand egret
2% x 33 = 66%
sick sentinel
so there is a wowprogress page
for a guild
and it's the funniest one ever written
hands down
my sides hurt
strong forum
Sounds like my guild tbh
4chan shit posters
Change Arabs with brits and its the same for us
sick sentinel
"We're not racist we're just ahead of the curve"
little ravine
Am brit, can confirm
terse steeple
hey guys, someone mentioned that the Diamond-laced trinket is not good this week. Is it because the absorb shield is considered a heal?
potent anvil
Yes, necrotic reduces the absorb amount.
old zephyr
rezan+ block everyweeks though
vocal skiff
So, one thing happened yesterday
We were shrouding the minions in KR
at the start
And I was falling behind and intercepted the rogue, and promptly aggroed the minions
Was it because of proximity?
I didn't pass through them
sand egret
pretty sure the intercept did it haha
vocal skiff
Oh, I thought mobility stuff was ok
neon tangle
@vocal skiff even pure movement abilities break shroud for a moment
I.e. pally horses
vocal skiff
I thought intercepting an ally wouldn't count as hostile, but yeah
I was wrong, lesson learned
neon tangle
Doesn’t matter if hostile
vocal skiff
we timed anyway
vocal skiff
The same would happen with leap, I take?
exotic spoke
What caused everyone to think PvP talents will be usable in PvE
hidden linden
cobalt trellis
exotic spoke
I’ve seen it pop up in a couple places. My guild is one. I thought it was mentioned here when I was skimming through to catch. Up
tropic wharf
I wonder if you would be able to use Oppressor
old zephyr
morale breaker !!!!
cobalt trellis
i mean there are some ridiculous things for single target for some specs
sick sentinel
if you read the article it specifies that its not using a PVP talent in PVE
it just lets you pick another PVP talent in PVP settings, the unlock conditions are through PVE
cobalt trellis
"Since it’s an essence, it’s part of your character. That’s an opportunity for people to use some of those PvP talents in PvE situations."
exotic spoke
So, super click bait is what i thought
sick sentinel
click bait is both how this discord and the monk one were talking about it yesterday
astral crystal
fuck
that essence that grants a pvp talent in pve
would be incredibly broken
shield bash in pve
sweet kettle
Is it a specific talent?
exotic spoke
Morale killer Atticus
astral crystal
yeah morale killer too
exotic spoke
20% raid wide damage reduction with a stupid high up time
astral crystal
there's so many good pvp talents
exotic spoke
Plus more rage for us
sweet kettle
Cause if we can pick the extra damage to the target we taunt it will be broken
exotic spoke
Make the other tank use oppressor or their equivalent
I mean - Perfection + morale killer
astral crystal
👀
sweet kettle
Boss dies in 10 secs
exotic spoke
Lol
vocal skiff
Man, I feel so bad now
I was going well in Shrine for once, 17 minutes on the clock and we were on the bridge
Rogue afk and DC
cobalt trellis
i dont think we will get a "free choice" but rather nerfed variants of some pvp talents... i'd love to see things like raid buffs, like moonkin and feral crit aura, ele shaman crit% totem and stuff like this
vocal skiff
the one DPS that couldn't afk
exotic spoke
Carry invis pots just Incase
exotic spoke
RIP.
If we got a specific PvP talent and not a choice it could be situationally good.
Even dragon charge could be really useful
sweet kettle
Dragon charge should be baceline
old zephyr
Master and commander
sweet kettle
It's such a fun ability
wooden radish
@ionic fern hi. i'd like to know how you got stormforged. i'd like to inspect your parses. do you pump dps? 🔍
timid jay
Show logs or I snitch on you to marok
wooden radish
MEREK
ionic fern
Ugh
My....eee...warcraftlogs is down...
And all my logs are..ee..deleted by a virus.
ionic fern
Naa, it was a virus. I clicked on one of those "CLick here to win" things. 😦
brittle owl
@ionic fern by how much do i have to beat you on rio to get sf
sweet kettle
Cosmo were is your theorycrafter rank?
brittle owl
do you parse in raids?
ionic fern
Only place i parse is in WQ's.
wooden radish
@timid jay you got TC but you didn't do any TC. you suck. krappa
brittle owl
he doesn't have parsenotes to rely on
timid jay
I didnt parse high enough to keep my TC rank
exotic spoke
I used to be good. Now I’m just shit 😦
Can’t even do a UR10 in 15 minutes before I had to log for Nim
astral crystal
cosmo poggers
ionic fern
You diddn't TC hard enough to parse high enough. 😦
timid jay
Should have spell reflected the demote
brittle owl
easy to get confused really
ionic fern
Meanwhile..me and my Blockades kill:
timid jay
nice
ionic fern
astral crystal
lmao
brittle owl
gg mwahi
astral crystal
blockade life
brittle owl
nice sf there
brittle owl
ofc he did
wooden radish
#FreeAbrodus
timid jay
I wonder if marok even reads any of my pings by this point
ionic fern
Has to be EXACTLY 10 tho.
ionic fern
^
timid jay
well you better log a 10 then
exotic spoke
I’d show you my blockade parse... but we haven’t killed mekkatorque yet
ionic fern
Hey, i was a good soaking boy. 😦
wooden radish
imagine having an ego maniac as your co-tank
who wouldn't want to soak
right @ionic fern
?
ionic fern
He was CAPABLE enough to tank it.
timid jay
Do I get the DOYN now?
wooden radish
nice pun
exotic spoke
Imagine caring about parses?
brittle owl
imagine not caring lol
willow scarab
Why wouldn't you care lol
wooden radish
ok that settles it. @fierce juniper, merek make Cosmo the owner of this discord
his parses say hes earned it
ionic fern
Poor Marok with all the pings o.o
brittle owl
he r1'd the stockades
wooden radish
Merek is my boi
brittle owl
p impressive
timid jay
Poor @fierce juniper with all the pings
exotic spoke
Oh I care - I meant that in the context of above all else.
First two kills I don’t give a fuck about parses
ionic fern
We already had Sal come here with blue name this week..don't push it.
willow scarab
1st kill is for healing parses
brittle owl
2 tines
willow scarab
2nd kill is for orange
brittle owl
times*
exotic spoke
Just so what you gotta do for the kill and rekill
brittle owl
good times
exotic spoke
After rekill ducking cheese away
brittle owl
why do you consider doing damage as being cheese
ionic fern
Except Opu*
brittle owl
do you think tanks shouldnt do damage
ionic fern
Well, you said "every fight". 😂
willow scarab
sorry
ionic fern
❤
willow scarab
every fight that matters to all stars
old zephyr
I loved the OPU korean sp parse
brittle owl
you need to run 0 bombs for 100 you mean
old zephyr
was great
brittle owl
you can do 99 with 1-2
willow scarab
I actually don't think you can
exotic spoke
@brittle owl you’re twisting my words. Doing damage isn’t cheese.
In fact you’ll likely get better parses later on as the group gets more comfortable and kill times go down.
But I’m not focused on parses for the first two kills
willow scarab
I picked apart the top logs
brittle owl
@exotic spoke bro i'm memeing, not trying to offend or anything
willow scarab
First rekill is when the 3x treacherous comes out
exotic spoke
cursive orbit
Hey guys. Quick question.. Are you using Pawn, and how do you make sure your string are "up to date", i dont think the sims are that viable for prot? only for m+.
willow scarab
wtf is pawn
cursive orbit
there you have it..
exotic spoke
Yes I agree fumeiyo. But personally I’m more concerned about perfecting positioning than optimum dps on first kills
brittle owl
follow faq for survival
willow scarab
Is pawn that thing that tells you items are 17.64 dps increase
exotic spoke
You can’t sim survival. Use your highest Ilvl piece in most situations and you’re good
brittle owl
it's that intrinsically flawed system
exotic spoke
I’m almost 419. Dk in guild is 421 I think
willow scarab
Filth
cursive orbit
hm. Thanks. Gotta take a good look at the faq..
willow scarab
I got my second 425 socket item
slow kiln
..................
exotic spoke
At one point he had the like 20th highest Ilvl in world
I have one fucking socket - they don’t exist at high Ilvl for me
willow scarab
a friend of mine was rank 1 world for ilvl for a bit
the DH that was 421 when everyone else was like 417
I still want less vers and more crit though
Deswind's ilvl is 423 wtf
willow scarab
I wonder if there's a trend in blizzard's code that determines which items titanforge
out of all the boots and gloves in the game it just happens that the same ones I have at 425 I always see on other people at 425
exotic spoke
I got 420 pants the other day
When I already had 425....
The one slot I have a 425 in
old zephyr
I got 2 435 backs ..
exotic spoke
Lies and slander!
exotic spoke
Yup
I had a lot of luck earlier with trinkets. Getting 400 and 410.
Now I can’t get any to drop over their base Ilvl and it feels bad
exotic spoke
For raids I have two solid ones - 415 diamond and 415 socketed howler.
M+ though I need better ones
slow kiln
I been farming butcher block but i cant even get one to drop at base ilvl anymore lol
bronze lantern
i got 2 at base level
exotic spoke
We’ve got dps setting loot spec to tank so we can get more shots at the diamond
We’ve seen three drop in all of our kills on mythic - and we gear three tanks. Unfortunately one was a bonus roll on a tank who already had one
exotic spoke
Giggity?
sick sentinel
I love holes
exotic spoke
Mmhmm
bronze lantern
i defo want a lurkers aswell
honest canopy
Got Diamond 415
sick sentinel
and the other fury was dog
honest canopy
Not seen any other trinket 400+
bronze lantern
how hard do you go "overcap" with lurkers during avatar
sick sentinel
I do not personally like lurker's on prot because of the CD
sick sentinel
@bronze lantern if you go heavy on haste your second avatar will not be back for the 3rd avatar
if you go heavy on crit instead you might be able to
slim cosmos
Stack crit this week in dungeons?
ionic fern
Don't change your stat priority regardless of the week. It's the same as always.
bronze lantern
crits always good 🤷
honest canopy
🙄
ionic fern
😂
sick sentinel
for the memes
ionic fern
Oh no.
sick sentinel
I also went deadly nav
ionic fern
Are you going for the...
honest canopy
I reforged
ionic fern
You know what.
sick sentinel
I am not chancing my azerite
ionic fern
sick sentinel
no
honest canopy
Raaaavagr
sick sentinel
that's way too far
sick sentinel
I wanna meme but I do not wanna hold my group back
ionic fern
How much crit you gonna be on?
wooden radish
@ionic fern you have srs m+ game. Can you share your secrets?
exotic spoke
oof
Parry is more “reliable” in m+ in that there is a higher volume of attacks - so it should average out
But like people say - not something to count on. You take your chances. Luckily it also increases our dps so hooraaay
I wish I had more sockets to put gems in - but I’m thinking of doing the same thing
sick sentinel
5 sockets : D
golden dove
Im so lost on how people do 20+ keys this week and take seemingly no damage, 16 KR first room and 16 ML mechs just rip through me if im not kiting for even a second, rotating all the CDs as usual but feel like paper
golden dove
Bursting blood is a dps potion and mekka R.A.G.E is a trinket @willow scarab
sand egret
prob the defining one
golden dove
Im 412 with 415 shield, 2 bom, rezan and vial
I feel thats enough for all the 16s
I have terrible habits of facetanking so this week has been a learning curve
exotic spoke
Necrotic isn’t bad on a prot warrior
Since we mitigate so much damage they don’t need to healas much
golden dove
Im usually not having to kite until 20-30 stacks
exotic spoke
Throw in our dps and helping the packs die faster means the mobs go
tired dagger
I've found that my healer gets scared about my stacks way sooner than I do this week. As long as you have last stand or shield block up and you're not tanking something that hits REALLY hard, you shouldn't have to kite too early
exotic spoke
What key?
golden dove
First room and mechs
exotic spoke
KR on fortified is always stupid
golden dove
Even though the casters are well interupted I feel helpless or I run out of cds
exotic spoke
Mechs aren’t bad. They don’t attack quickly and have a lot of down time
Are you pulling multiple packs?
golden dove
Depends on the mobs
Motherlode ill pull 2-3 packs
As long as not multiple mechs
KR I didnt dare
exotic spoke
Well that’s why your stacks are shooting up so high so quickly
I do that every two minutes. But I’m a dwarf now
exotic spoke
You will have to kite. But it’s not a bad week imo.
golden dove
As long as I dont leave mechs in blood >.>
exotic spoke
That’s the other issue with pulling huge
golden dove
Ye
Its just pulling small on fort
Feels so slow
Especially when I can see the big boyos doing pulls
exotic spoke
How often do you spend kiting instead of killing mobs - just a rhetorical question
exotic spoke
I’m not worried until I get to 25 usually. Then I start looking at if I need to kite or not. If they aren’t dead or I don’t have CDs I’ll start kiting at like 30-35
Got to 50 stacks at one point in Shrine Tuesday
That was a fun time.
But yeah specifically those two keys are ones im avoiding this week
tired dagger
How do you deal with the eye room in temple this week?
I was shooting to 80 stacks instantly and then somehow also aggroing the Orb guardians
And they would just murder me with nowhere for me to kite without getting more stacks
exotic spoke
Haven’t done it yet. But stuns / ccs circle kiting likely necessary.
Also dwarf
tired dagger
cries in nightborne
exotic spoke
Why would you be night borne 😦
tired dagger
It's just a placeholder until vulpera
versed widget
Light foot potions in that room help a lot
tired dagger
But also because every other character I have is belf
versed widget
I got to like 80 stacks and just reset
exotic spoke
They do. I use one every week to grab anything anyway
tired dagger
Gotcha, I'll pick up some of those
Do you just run a big circuit around the room and meet your team back at the start?
Or did you mean using those to reset stacks?
exotic spoke
At a point - your healer needs to stop healing you and just fucking dps too. The heals will be basically meaningless (even before 50 stacks) and killing the mobs will be better for your survivability
versed widget
If you have a rogue they can solo left and you just pull right side
The orb room can take like 10 seconds honestly
exotic spoke
Yup. And if you die / death skip the end you don’t have to worry about how many stacks you get
exotic spoke
True - just thinking finishing it fast and then shadow meld at the end
strong forum
Or bring a frost mage :^)
exotic spoke
That too
versed widget
Bring a warlock, soul stone healer, do orb room in 10 seconds and death skip to last boss. Problems solverino’d
safe pumice
btw, is mr.robot site good for protection warriors?
warm plinth
The Mr. Robot site isn't good for anyone.
exotic spoke
Just use highest Ilvl gear
strong forum
BTW anyone know how fracture plays out on ptr with new meta changes?
Do you get 4 fragments?
strong forum
But it's already 3 isn't it
warm plinth
No, it's 2
Shear is 1 baseline and goes to 2 in meta. Fracture is 2 baseline and goes to 3 in Meta
strong forum
That's sooooo bad
warm plinth
Yeah, 3 frags is actually shit
strong forum
You still have to use 2 fracs to get max spirit bomb
warm plinth
Yep :(, and you can't even use it at 4 frags during Meta so you're essentially forced to waste a fragment
strong forum
Gluttony spec Inc...
warm plinth
I was pretty disappointed that we didn't see any further changes on them in this last batch
strong forum
I sleep
warm plinth
But I guess there's still some time
warm plinth
lol
strong forum
Just make spirit bomb baseline so you can play gluttony for max meta uptime, spam shear into spirit bomb
Would actually be good
Or am I confusing talent rows
Lemme check
Na I'm right, either gluttony or spirit bomb
peak rampart
Hey all, what do you think of gnome warriors? Does the increase to Haste and resource pool help?
ionic fern
Racials are not ment to be game breakers. Play w/e you want.
wooden radish
its like 1% haste lol
ionic fern
If you think they look adorablu you play Gnome.
strong forum
Depends on what you mean by help.
peak rampart
I mean to play Protection
honest canopy
KAPPA
strong forum
If you are having problems with Haste / Resources, gnome doesnt fix that
brisk ferry
it's a bit easier to see around while in tight dungeons
strong forum
ye races dont change the general gameplay, its mainly for niche situations TOPS.
peak rampart
I used to play warrior back in WotLK, and wanting to switch back to it.
strong forum
By all means, go for it.
warm plinth
Dwarf master race
strong forum
Dwarf is defo better
peak rampart
due to stoneform and crit?
warm plinth
No, because dwarves are fuckin amazing
peak rampart
lol
warm plinth
Look at that guy. How can you not be him?
strong forum
General rule of thumb is as follows:
"If the game has a dwarven race, its the best."
warm plinth
I can get behind that
unborn island
@warm plinth that's my toon in heritage armour
wooden radish
@sick sentinel is pro dwarf as well
warm plinth
Literally the only downside to a dwarf is that the shield and weapon I have in that SS are pretty much the closest matches to the heritage armor 😦
sick sentinel
dorf is bis
ionic fern
Oooh, you're alliance?
strong forum
the other downside would be the shields dont look as good on the back
ionic fern
sick sentinel
yeah I’m alliance
strong forum
ionic fern
We can be friends now.
strong forum
🇦
warm plinth
I'm NA so I don't really count as Alliance 😢 I don't really count as anything.
strong forum
RIP
sick sentinel
dwarf plate isn’t the best, but stoneform is bae
warm plinth
I represent like 5% of the WoW community 😂
warm plinth
What's a raid?
strong forum
if you do m+ above 10 you also represent the 1%
sick sentinel
.01% 4head
warm plinth
Okay so at least I represent the 1% in some regard
sick sentinel
my guild is ~150 world and we’re like top 10 NA ally
strong forum
how many days do you raid
warm plinth
Check this sick raid prog bois
sick sentinel
3
strong forum
not bad
warm plinth
Perfection right there
warm plinth
lul
strong forum
92% crit block chance
sick sentinel
triple BoM+lurker
strong forum
powerful
sick sentinel
only during avatar+trinket
sick sentinel
I need a mastery heavy ring and then I’m there
warm plinth
New snipping tool is pretty fancy lookin
lol
tfw it doesn't make the background transparent though :/
remote tusk
I wonder how much Mastery is possible in 8.2. Probably 100% if BoM stays like that.
honest canopy
@warm plinth i dont like The new one
Old one was cleaner
Skärmklipps verktyget in swedish
😂
warm plinth
Yeah the old one was super simple and to the point without the extra flash on the screen
sick sentinel
what I have is absolutely a niche meme build which I do not recommend, but you need about 1500 base mastery to hit 100% with lurker+triple bom
the use case is one where you want to frontload both damage and mitigation, but then you’re left more vulnerable during downtime
tropic star
has anyone tried stacking 3x bury the hatchet in dungeons
or does that make impending victory at all usefull. 66k bubble every 30 secs seems significant but how can you balance that against so much haste
warm plinth
Still wouldn't make it worth it to run IV
mortal brook
bury the hatchet is nice on like, explosive weeks. otherwise things like Impassive/RP are generally gonna be better
15% haste always better than impending
neon tangle
@tropic star IV is (5166/6)*30 = 25830 healing every 30s (given "perfect" conditions)
and will proc from magic damage taken
sick sentinel
so I did some keys today
with my new crit build
why haven't I done this earlier wtf
neon tangle
bury the hatchet is 18597, physical only, and tied to being able to use victory rush
sick sentinel
I was resetting stacks while tanking
sick sentinel
and unstable flames
neon tangle
shit was wacky
sick sentinel
gettting SB to a 12 s recharge is really important
fringe trout
explain how you were resetting while tanking for the uneducated, good sir?
neon tangle
On bosses with a TINY bit of luck you'll be resetting at 2-3 stacks
sick sentinel
and I was parrying shit for like 4-5 sec straight
and then I shockwaved
and I reset
facetanking
it's fucking amazing
tropic star
@neon tangle fair enough on like raid fights. and IV being useless. But with reaping affix and on tyranical weeks you are getting a fair amount of resets and right when you usually need them most. B the time things start dying you are low on CDs. Its not uncommon for me to get 2-3 victory rushes in a pack. and while the overal healing of visage may be better this would focus soem shields right at the tail end of the fight / going into the next one. Dunno
neon tangle
I'm confused why tyran + reaping make it better
Unless you mean pulling reaping in to the boss to give you extra procs
reaping itself seems like it's what you don't want, since it's mainly magic damage
slate pilot
Does anyone have a good cancelaura macro for jaina
lime mantle
I think method posted theirs
slate pilot
On their website?
lime mantle
Yeah but could be wrong
abstract geyser
How does crit translate into parry?
tropic star
It does
i dotn know the ratio
but if you go into your character screen and hover over Crit, it will say it translates into x% parry
silk mortar
It's a hidden spell called Riposte, it scales by 100% crit from your gear is converted into parry
sick sentinel
the ratio is 1:1
abstract geyser
Awesome!
Gonna try crit build tonight then
Facetanking necrotic sounds way more fun
astral crystal
👧🏿
umbral forge
https://i.imgur.com/s3Eimxp.png
Hmm, usually I'd think someone saying this would be trolling, but I really trust Riki. He helped me a lot.
So gonna take Ravager in my +14 now. Wish me luck guys!
exotic spoke
You deserve whatever you get then Jettom.
A - for being nightborne
B - for harassing Vic. #LastStandWithVic
outer lark
When siming as prot its just telling us our dps and best gear for dps even though we are tanking right? No way to really sim tank wise
exotic spoke
You can’t sim survivability
Just take highest Ilvl.
If two items have the same Ilvl take the one with haste
outer lark
So just sim top gear as you would on any character and follow it?
outer lark
Ok
exotic spoke
If two pieces are the same Ilvl - use the one with haste
outer lark
What about lower Ilvl but with a socket?
exotic spoke
Take the highest Ilvl - the exceptions are potentially rings and trinkets- not always
outer lark
Haste/Vers top stats?
exotic spoke
What content are you doing?
full smelt
Can you actually block necrotic ?
sick sentinel
you can parry it
outer lark
Kaege messaged me! All good to go! Thanks to the both of ya
exotic spoke
Hot. I’d watch it
signal plover
+19 steak poops
astral crystal
nobody's going to post that one pic
with the parries
that that one dude used to post all the time
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t (my pc can’t either) because then I’d be even more revealed as a scrub
sick sentinel
I'm basically half asleep during trash in most weeks
exotic spoke
Oof
exotic spoke
You deserved it
umbral forge
I shit on Vic to calm him down
ivory barn
thats what i do
exotic spoke
meme again
lusty grotto
i see i see
sand egret
#LastStandWithVic
exotic spoke
#LastStandWithVic
Also, how’d that run go last night
That some dick of a tank dipped out on
sand egret
Well took us like an hour after failing with our first tank. finally met some pals and did it later. was ez pz
exotic spoke
Gratz!
lusty grotto
well we had maximum toxicity for like 2 hours
and then we decided to be pals
ez 2+ but monk died and released, which is ok cause he was a pal
double stewart carried us
oblique garnet
late vods are dead my sleeping schedule is fucked
warm plinth
Who the fuck am I supposed to watch then?
Gonna have to watch Sense I guess. At least he's still there for me.
oblique garnet
Sense still plays?! wtf
warm plinth
Yeah, looks like he's doing mythic Cabal right now but he has a +22 KR from 2 weeks ago
Actually a few keys from 2 weeks ago
lapis tapir
So when doing mythic +, versus mythic raiding
mythic + should be bastionx3 and deafening crash x3 if possible?
then mythic raid should i be stacking brace for impact and iron fortress?
warm plinth
Mythic+ should be DC x1, Bastion x3, and 2 of whatever
Raiding I'm not sure but I would think DC x1, BfI x3 and whatever. I'm not sure how big people are on Bastion though I think it's still a good trait
exotic spoke
If you need survivability take IF
If you don’t and need to maximize m+ dps take 2 more DC
warm plinth
Though I guess people are doing the RF thing too so 🤔
exotic spoke
I run 1 Dc, 3 BoM, 1 if and 1 BfI for mythic profession cause it’s what I got
rose moat
Guys somebody help me out here, I wanna know wich strat you guys use/used on jaina P2, somehow both tanks get frozen at the barrel, not at the same time but shortly after each other
basically what we doing now, we bait ray, I (OT) run out with avalanche, clean stacks on the broken barrel and we go to barrel 2, here the MT gets frozen. I get aggro back so i can run out with the 2nd avalanche after, but before that happens I get frozen, somehow im going high in those stacks
ivory barn
where would the best place to farm a shield sword that isnt a pug M Champions
astral crystal
what we did was tank 1 had jaina when we came out of intermission, tank 2 taunted when she started her avalanche cast, both tanks clear, tank 2 keeps jaina until 12 stacks, tank 1 taunts off, right around that time there should be another barrel break, tank 1 keeps jaina until avalanche is cast, he runs away and tank 2 grabs jaina
12 stacks of her damage increase debuff that is
that worked out well for us in terms of not getting frozen
that depends on how hard your dps is pushing though
those numbers worked with our damage pace
rose moat
Yea I have the feeling we either breaken the 2nd barrel later or early
Cant figure out wich one though]
rose moat
Even with the new nerfs?
astral crystal
y-yeah..
rose moat
But thanks for the info 😃
astral crystal
try looking at some recent logs, over 100 guilds have killed it since the nerf
there's bound to be some info that will help your timings
100 new guilds, that is
not to mention all th eother guilds farm clearing it
so there's plenty of sources
swift pier
Which trait is bfl I’m trippin can’t think of it xd
swift pier
O
dim token
How much hps do u usually end up with at the end of a dungeon? Say m15
dim token
My guildie is learning to play a prot war but his hps is only like 3k is that wrong
sick sentinel
3k is low
lucid bough
and this week gonna be lower too
undone sun
definitely not something to worry too much on, warr isn't about healing
dim token
There’s something I could spot like bad cd /defensive usage but I’m not sure about the hps part
dim token
415 consumption and a dps trinket
dim token
I mean 415iL, with consumption and a dps trubket
Also double self reliance looks pretty wrong
The other one is moment of glory
sick sentinel
there is literally no worse trait than self reliance
sick sentinel
ye
oblique garnet
If he is 415 and feels squishy thats due to bad play
sick sentinel
if he is 405 and dying it's still bad play
lucid bough
You feel less squichy as prot warrior at 405 ilvl than bdk at 415 tbh
chilly brook
Basically what we’re trying to say is he’s bad and he should feel bad and get in this discord so he can fix himself
sand egret
This week is just a week where a healer can’t carry a tanks mistakes which leads me to believe ya homeboy is most likely not using Shield Block when he should.
oblique garnet
This discord fixing mistakes🤔 i thought this was basically where people make fun of new players
oblique garnet
Constructive criticism is good way to learn 😈
warm plinth
I think the keyword there, that a lot of people forget about, is constructive
dark lark
so i'm pretty happy with my outer ring traits, but not satisfied with my inner ring stuff. is winds of war worth losing 173 simmed damage (elemental whirl)
warm plinth
Winds of War is pretty meh to begin with imo. I'd definitely use Whirl.
warm plinth
Yikes; those are all you have?/
sick sentinel
jes and diamond
dark lark
IMO prism and then go farm a vial
undone sun
+1
sick sentinel
I really really really do not like suggesting vial
tidal igloo
bwonsamdi gharbo
sick sentinel
because people they would macro it with avatar
and it's a 6 sec trinket
like, sometimes you to avatar->charge or something
so like you lose 30% of the trinket
would rather farm atal and WCM
tidal igloo
so jes and diamond?
dark lark
shoudl've asked what kind of content is he doing- M+ or raiding
sick sentinel
use jes and diamond yeah
undone sun
bargain is trash
warm plinth
Jes and Diamond, but you need more options.
honest frigate
Jes is a fine trinket
tidal igloo
do i macroo it with avatar?
warm plinth
You need to farm some better shit though for sure. Diamond is good but usually not needed. Jes just doesn't line up very well and there are better options. Butcher's block is a good one to get
low wind
hey guys critique please https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BqAwrJ2HpfMhkajd/
warm plinth
For M+
tidal igloo
whats barg good for?
low wind
i use rezans + vial atm
sick sentinel
why do you have vers enchants?
warm plinth
Bargain is a niche defensive trinket and not a very good one.
low wind
just felt i needed more vers
low wind
wont i be squishy?
low wind
how?
sick sentinel
1crit rating=1parry rating
warm plinth
No, haste is our best defensive secondary anyway, even if you were looking at it like that. Proper play is where the vast majority of our defense comes from in any situation.
And having a decent shield
honest frigate
Gore is overhyped tbh but I'd wear it if I had a 425 one
sick sentinel
gch what would you use instead?
low wind
yeah my shield is a 405 indomitable from ad
sick sentinel
gore is literally our best trinket for mplus
warm plinth
Gore is sexy. Vial is overhyped frankly. As Kaege mentioned, most of the strength is frontloaded so by the end of Avatar it's not providing much.
low wind
how is vial at 425 + rezan at 400 + socket?
warm plinth
That's a good combo Ignatios. What else do you have?
low wind
and kaege, are my stats fine as they are aside from the ring chants?
thats it
this warrior is 2-3 weeks old
tidal igloo
fkn 375 KIK
warm plinth
No he's asking that if you didn't want gore, what would be your preferred trinket, since you think gore is overhyped
honest frigate
Idol is honestly amazing
low wind
ok so my stats are 'ok' but could be better
i need more crit
14% crit vs 12% vbers
how is my rotation though from the logs?
sick sentinel
you have 0 bom
low wind
bom?
sick sentinel
Bastion of Might
low wind
yeah
low wind
;p
tidal igloo
willow scarab
Idol is a good trinket if your healer sucks or you get hit by mechanics
low wind
so i gotta fix up a little bit of my gear and focus on getting more bastions
low wind
yeah i just gotta save the residuum and hope for a drop from mythic bfd
honest frigate
I have a lot of trinket options atm, but I normally play Rezan/Idol lately. If I had a high ilvl diamond, I'd run Diamond/Idol in some dungeons since the damage intake at the keys I do are pretty significant. But Rezan can be really strong sometimes if I get a proc with MS. End up affording another shield block on certain boss fights or a trash pack and it feels good
willow scarab
I would say the only thing about gear that makes an obvious difference to your performance is 3x bom so definitely try your hardest
It’s the most noticeable upgrade by far
low wind
hmm alright
sick sentinel
@honest frigate this week you should not run either idol or diamond
honest frigate
Nor would I
willow scarab
Why not diamond this week
honest frigate
Those trinkets don't make sense for necrotic
low wind
how is my rotation though for m+? reading m+ logs are a lot different than raid logs since the uptimes are sometimes a little off
sick sentinel
but yeah diamond vs idol is up to preference mostly
warm plinth
Necro fucks absorbs
sick sentinel
because it does literally nothing
willow scarab
Does necro reduce absorbs as well
willow scarab
I thought it was a loophole
sick sentinel
like, 0 value
willow scarab
I don’t run diamond and I’ve only done 2 necrotic weeks in my life
honest frigate
But on any other week, Diamond/Idol give the most defensive value over the course of a dungeon
willow scarab
So I wasn’t aware
willow scarab
Defensive value is for wimps
sick sentinel
late did you see my sockets?
warm plinth
Nope. No one's absorbs work this week afaik. Used to be some exceptions back in Legion but not anymore. Even DK blood shield gets nerfed I'm pretty sure.
thorn fiber
So pure DPS trinkets this week
willow scarab
Get a better healer and use dps trinkets
thorn fiber
Im running block and everchill
honest frigate
The higher the key goes, the more defensive value is, well, valued
willow scarab
In m+?
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel gz on the jaina kill tho
willow scarab
Ever hill doesn’t have time to stack and be good in m+
sick sentinel
ty
willow scarab
You’re right and you’re wrong gch
oblique garnet
Shame
willow scarab
Mobs hit harder you need more defensiveness sure but then also mobs have more hp you need damage to make timer
low wind
why that over haste?
sick sentinel
and put deadly on my weapon
neon tangle
@warm plinth BDK lots of fun this week
sick sentinel
for the memes
low wind
o
sick sentinel
I do not advise it
honest frigate
You act like damage is going to time the key outside of proper play
willow scarab
I’m 23% haste before ITF
sick sentinel
I dropped necrotic stacks while tanking 3 mobs
warm plinth
I bet it is sad. Running from mobs all week 😏
oblique garnet
Yeah if you have haste
willow scarab
It is in super high keys gch
honest frigate
Most of a dungeon is about proper play/not dying/performing well as a group
oblique garnet
You can make it work
honest frigate
Dps comes after
warm plinth
Making DnD do some WORK
neon tangle
I just wish deathstrike could do some work
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet
willow scarab
Proper play / not dying / performing well is a given I’d you’re going to time high keys
Past that you need damage
honest frigate
I don't think it's a given
willow scarab
That 1% verse dream@wtf
honest frigate
Damage is a given
sick sentinel
I get to 40% party 🎉 with both goreblock and deadly nav
oblique garnet
Any warrior doing their rotation correctly will take next to no damage even in higher keys
This week is aids
Due to necrotic
warm plinth
lul
honest frigate
You gain way more value in m+ from knowing the dungeon, how the mobs hit you, routes etc. than you do focusing on damage
sick sentinel
@willow scarab do you wanna see where I get my vers from?
warm plinth
Necro isn't that bad
willow scarab
I only wanna do weeks where I can giga pull
warm plinth
At least you're not @neon tangle
oblique garnet
Necro is horrible
willow scarab
Gch bro
oblique garnet
I have to kite
warm plinth
😢
willow scarab
You have to know all that for super high keys
So if you know that why are you playing defensive
neon tangle
@warm plinth I haven't actually tanked a single key in a few weeks
willow scarab
Defensive stuff is to carry your healer
neon tangle
been playing rogue
honest frigate
I don't play defensive in every key
honest frigate
I'm just saying it can be good value, especially in certain keys
willow scarab
All of my 425 gear has vers
sick sentinel
I have 114 vers too much
neon tangle
@willow scarab at least vers helps you die less from magic
honest frigate
There's an exponential difference in the damage intake of a 20 vs a 23 though
willow scarab
I still die from magic
neon tangle
get more vers then, jeez
honest frigate
I.E fortified 23 Siege, 3 Marauders will kill you within 2 globals, whereas you can survive much longer in a 20
low wind
yeah shrine is rough this week when people dont interrupt waterbolt
honest frigate
Sometimes an absorb can make the difference
willow scarab
You just shield wall the marauder pack with the spotter every week
oblique garnet
3 marauderw will kill you if you dont get dispelled
willow scarab
You’ll die to that on a 17 too
oblique garnet
Thats about it
willow scarab
How is that an argument for diamond lol
sick sentinel
capped out my heart of azerite today feelsgood
honest frigate
I'm not saying it's an argument for diamond
willow scarab
More damage = mobs die quicker = less damage taken
honest frigate
I'm saying the damage is exponential on higher keys, and you can benefit from extra absorbs or more defensive value
More damage doesn't matter if you get globaled
willow scarab
And our damage trinkets give defensive value
sick sentinel
highest healing spell was efflo
I was legit not tanking damage lmao
and sniping mobs with slam
warm plinth
Too much parry
oblique garnet
You wont get globaled if you play smart
sick sentinel
i'm at the point where i need to focus on increasing dps now, the only times i ever die is if the healer is garbage, or i get double tapped by the shadow smash
and victory rushing
warm plinth
50%party
willow scarab
Bring back parry / dodge tanking
warm plinth
Yeah who doesn't love having zero control over your survival.
sick sentinel
I'm at 40% party with both procs
willow scarab
Just don’t get tapped by shadow smash at all
sick sentinel
good enough
willow scarab
That’s the secret
sick sentinel
I only got tapped by the smash cuz it was on the stairs in AD, which makes it harder to see.
warm plinth
And the shortcut should be :40party:
sick sentinel
you are right, no excuses, i used to swim in that shadow smash shit
warm plinth
My go-to strat for shadow smash when it's on uneven terrain is to go further than I think I need to go. Don't share that with a lot of people though; it's my secret strategy.
willow scarab
The only excuse is the first reaping in KR
Where it fucking moves
And is 2 units away from where it should be
warm plinth
Can you imagine if we'd had Reaping in Lower Kara in the Maiden hallway?
Shadow smash hiding under the carpts
carpets
willow scarab
I don’t trust it
sick sentinel
my strategy for it was on disc we'd yell out purple,purple,purple till it went away
willow scarab
I run to a different narnia to avoid it
warm plinth
You know, Narnia wasn't actually that far away; they just went through a wardrobe.
warm plinth
Just say go to Puerto Rico. That's far from everywhere.
lusty grotto
🐟
sick sentinel
circle in narnia KR?
warm plinth
Or Antarctica, since no one lives there and also plays WoW. They're too busy sciencing
oblique garnet
Hey
willow scarab
Shadow smash on first reaping @sick sentinel it’s a whole smash ahead of where it is
oblique garnet
Antartica people play cs
willow scarab
The visual is fucked
sick sentinel
interesting, i'll try to look for it next time i go to KR, already did my 10 for this week tho, so no more keys for me
neon tangle
too busy eating pepperoni