I was hoping they'd be lurking today
#protection
stark ruin
Sometimes, above 80% haste I start to have issues with clapping
Like I can't do anything else anymore, it's just pure clappage
brisk ferry
doesn't seem like an issue to me
stark ruin
I'm kind of kidding
brisk ferry
me too
stark ruin
but love those lust+avatar+every haste proc is on, ever situations
brisk ferry
similar to end of ToS, pure clap
cinder pasture
@honest canopy Do some clapping, I'm sure that will make you feel better
livid totem
@elfin plume dunno why you still think there's some kind of haste cap.
Even with DK
I'd go full haste if that was me
cinder pasture
My dk got a 410 rezan in chest. all the haste 😄
brittle owl
whooo boy yesterday you had a ravager prophet
now you have a haste kappa martyr
is this what fotm does to a class ? 😂
brittle owl
@elfin plume aren't you that top 100 multiclasser
brittle owl
that came into HoW arguing about JD?
elfin plume
@livid totem its not as much a "cap" as it is how feasible it is to get that much haste
haste diminishing returns are higher than ever because blizzard doesnt like people itemizing
if you get the mekka trinket and rezans on dk, you dont need more than 15 - 20% haste before bone shield to be effective
slender pollen
Dk is purely ilvl
elfin plume
if i could have as much haste as i wanted then sure why wouldnt i do that
livid totem
I'd still go more ivll and haste if I could
elfin plume
but i cant
slender pollen
ilvl>>> stats
elfin plume
so you have to itemize effectively
livid totem
because I simply don't care about what this cap is
elfin plume
which is why rezans is the best trinket still
yeah youre right that you dont need to care
livid totem
Not really, I think you shouldn't overestimate the stats now
elfin plume
it only matters if youre actually progressing hard content
livid totem
even in harder content.
elfin plume
it doesnt matter right now because dk is poopoo in crucible
slender pollen
On dk more important is less bad morrowends than stats
elfin plume
you dont choose stats over ilvl unless its a 5 ilvl differential
livid totem
You're more prone to lose because of fucked up rotation than because of "stats"
elfin plume
if its 410 haste vers back vs 415 vers mastery back you take the 410
ilvl is almost always an upgrade for dk
slender pollen
Nope always ilvl
elfin plume
the ilvl doesnt become worth it if its not 10 ilvl upgrade
gaunt dawn
Stormwall progress
brisk ferry
blocked at work or I would
elfin plume
in some situations
gaunt dawn
B I G
slender pollen
Nope stam + str is more important than others stats
elfin plume
not on a 5 ilvl difference
slender pollen
Vers>=Crit=Haste=Mastery
elfin plume
if youre choose haste vers 410 vs 415 crit mastery you take the 410
final mist
🤔
elfin plume
WHAT
final mist
The fuck are you guys on about
slender pollen
on DK
gaunt dawn
Imagine if a DK guide writer was here
final mist
There’s no Haste cap, ilevel is usually better, and most importantly, we’re not DKs.
livid totem
I'd be more concerned if it was choosing between for example a 375 ilvl and a 415.
final mist
Go to Acherus for that, tyvm.
slender pollen
And they say what im telling you
brisk ferry
I already asked him to, he just called them names
brittle owl
he came to HoW relatively recently
livid totem
410 and 415 I doubt you could see the difference in reality
brittle owl
where he argued that DK is bis on uunat
guess switching to prot warrior is what happened
gaunt dawn
Anything is BiS if you play it well
brittle owl
logical progression 4house
gaunt dawn
🙂
final mist
Tbf, if you’re not world class prg, your class really doesn’t matter all that much
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand egret
I saw “haste cap”...typed something....scrolled down...saw it was covered. Feels Good.
brisk ferry
I am trying Blade!
elfin plume
i was wrong about dk being good on uunat, because at the time we didnt know you had to use the stone while the boss is out
if you didnt have to use the stone while the boss is out, DK is the best tank for uunat (possibly)
but thats not the case
elfin plume
and no i dont play prot warrior on uunat because its just not as good as monk
gaunt dawn
The reactive nature of the toolkit doesnt lend itself to the fight mechanics
brittle owl
silly panth, making sense
elfin plume
you can immune every beam with minimal boss movement
gaunt dawn
But the melee have to move anyway
elfin plume
the whole reason we dont play dk is because we are relying on healing
gaunt dawn
So what gain is there?
gaunt dawn
Melee wasn't bad before
gaunt dawn
Just that if you wanted to push the boss faster youd 3 heal
elfin plume
for the debuff
gaunt dawn
You could 4 heal before as the enrage was miles away
elfin plume
yes but you didnt or the fight was even more cancer than before
now you can 4 heal and push the boss like before because of the health nerf
elfin plume
thats not what im talking about
3 healers means one more dps
which means less eye beams
which means less boss movement and massive raid damage
gaunt dawn
Mm that's not really the big risk component of the fight from the healer pov
It's one of them
But not the biggest
elfin plume
well idk anything about healer pov
gaunt dawn
It's your p3 add clears
elfin plume
i just know that thats what makes sense from a tank perspective
elfin plume
i know that i dont call their externals when theyre using tranq
i dont know the niches
we just do what the raid leader tells us
i dont know whats healing intensive because i dont heal, i just take their word for it if they tell me that something is a pain
gaunt dawn
You can coast your way through like that for sure. Alot of 'top end' tanks do that.
And just follow calls
final mist
Maybe this is why you misunderstand how and why things work, because you don’t bother to learn anything outside of the tank’s POV.
umbral forge
@sand condor is gonna choke and screw up a Jaina Mythic progress kill tonight. Wish him luck guys!
elfin plume
im not arguing anything thats not in my pov
gaunt dawn
Understanding why is the biggest part of tank playstyle development
final mist
^
sand condor
Correct
gaunt dawn
You had some insight into melee dps pov
elfin plume
its not that i dont bother to learn
gaunt dawn
With the boss movement piece
brittle owl
in general also understanding the healer's perspective will give you a better idea of what tank is better suited for x encounter
gaunt dawn
But the healer one is huge
elfin plume
yeah i know that much
which is why we dont use prot warriors
and we use two monks
because its easier on the healers
gaunt dawn
Depends on how the monks are played
brittle owl
^
elfin plume
its a fucking monk
brittle owl
there's alot of dot's
elfin plume
its really not that difficult
final mist
Magic damage fucks monks, so if you’re not really playing well...
brittle owl
uunaat might just be one of the only fights that give monks a challenge
final mist
You could get around being an AFK idiot in Uldir, since magic damage didn’t exist on fights like Fetid
elfin plume
and when you cant dodge a beam you call pain supp
elfin plume
yeah pain suppression
elfin plume
we have two bops
gaunt dawn
Fair
elfin plume
we also have more than one pain supp
elfin plume
the only reason i call pain supp to begin with is theres a time where you cant dodge any beams because the circle is small
so you have to face tank them both
so you dont put the buff on the boss or accidently step on a heal circle
the tank with the adds calls pain supp and takes the damage
elfin plume
p2 is the hardest for tanking im pretty sure
idk
we havent seen a reason to need dampen
gaunt dawn
Melee swings and crown
elfin plume
so we use bob and weave
gaunt dawn
Big pump
elfin plume
we have disc bubble and the trident thing for that
full spruce
Playing with a monk that iron skins 80x but purifies 2x oof
elfin plume
on what fight
gaunt dawn
How often do you purify?
elfin plume
around 400k stagger
gaunt dawn
So basically deep in red stagger
livid totem
You shouldn't follow that as a rule of thumb, I hope ?
elfin plume
what being in red stagger?
livid totem
I mean 400k stagger
livid totem
you purify whenever you can and if you have enough isb for the rest. Not following stricly a rule like purify only @ 400k
but hey, I guess you already knew it.
elfin plume
what no
gaunt dawn
Each purify is a direct ehrps cut
elfin plume
you dont need to purify very often at all on most fights
gaunt dawn
If you can maintain isb for your tanking duration you should purify
You dont need to. But you should
brittle owl
needing to do something
elfin plume
but its not necessary
gaunt dawn
For example jaina p1
elfin plume
im not going to waste a charge if i dont need it
gaunt dawn
I would purify around 20 times
Sometimes more
Do I need to? No
I can get away with 0
But what am I doing with my brew charges
Nothing
So by playing effectively I save healer mana
Am I tanking nothing? Let isb drop
For uunat this would be during intermissions
The isb isnt going to drastically reduce the magic damage
livid totem
It's not about when you need it, it's about how you could EASE the healer's job
elfin plume
yes it saves mana but tell me
what fights besides uunat
are actually hard to heal now
gaunt dawn
None are hard to heal on farm
elfin plume
yeah obviously
gaunt dawn
So what's the question?
elfin plume
if im progressing something then its different
i thought you were asking me what i purify in general
gaunt dawn
If you improve your play even on farm
You can safely drop healers
And they can improve, rather than babysit
gaunt dawn
Pee on them to assert dominance
brittle owl
whoa there
brittle owl
you need consent for that
elfin plume
why would i purify when me and my cotank can have a competition to see who can have the highest stagger
hit 2mil on grong last week btw
brittle owl
that's a competition for your healers lmao
elfin plume
no because i just tell them to pain supp me and they do it
theres nothing to heal on farm
if it was progression then obviously theres a different mindset
and i would play more safe
honest canopy
FURIOUS
elfin plume
but i dont do farm to use my brain i just want to kill the shit and get my loot
and boost someone
brisk ferry
@final mist full dps mongloid monk is still low dps lol
sick sentinel
so I did a 21 manor
full spruce
Kaege shhh. The is shield of serenity now. Go home
sick sentinel
what fuck is a purify
brisk ferry
Staggerhold*
sick sentinel
and red stagger
elfin plume
purify is the thing you drink in the morning when youre hungover
full spruce
Red stagger is like when you eat spicy Mexican food all day and the toilet is red...
Purify is the cream that makes it feel better
sick sentinel
okay so purify=coffee
full spruce
That just makes you poop more
final mist
Okay we’re Coffeehold now, I guess
livid totem
No not really. Purify is like wiping your ass off after that mexican food.
mossy trench
Hey! Could anyone give me some advice on which trinkets to use for m+? Have 400ilvl socketed Jes' Howler, 410ilvl socketed Vial of Animated Blood, 400ilvl Rezans Eye, 410ilvl Gore-Crusted butcher's block, 405ilvl Ramping Gigavolt engine or 410ilvl lurker's insidious gift?
brittle owl
coffeehold would explain the brown names
brisk ferry
I'd use Gore & Vial
brittle owl
lurker is giga good
full spruce
Rezans eye always nice
sick sentinel
other weeks I would go lurkers
this week engine
I do not like vial personally
it's a 6 sec trinket
mossy trench
would you ever use two on use trinkets?
brisk ferry
I would not
livid totem
Insidious is a pain in the *** for soloing content, or I'm doing it wrong.
sick sentinel
I would rather get 2 proc trinkets tho
lurkers is really bad for solo-ing shit'
but it's good in mplus
brittle owl
and in raid
gentle sequoia
What would you guys choose between 410 block, 415 engine and 415 alchemy trinket?
sick sentinel
block alchemy
sick sentinel
I would rather be fatter
brisk ferry
son of a bitch, what's the speedboat
sick sentinel
and have better healthpots
brisk ferry
oh nvm
sick sentinel
speed implies you would run
brisk ferry
so runboat?
full spruce
On coffeehold note. Time for me to leave work and get coffee for that 6am drive home
mossy trench
alright, il go with gore and mess around with the other ones. probably use insidious gift just on lower keys. thanks
sick sentinel
Insidious gift does like 170k damage or so in total and gives you like almost 2 BoM's worth of mastery @mossy trench
So the damage you reduce is more than the damage you take
It's definitely worth it in non-necrotic weeks
mossy trench
yeah, your right. just checked have 92% mastery now with it and x3 BoM during avatar
mossy trench
1098
sick sentinel
That's a lot of mastery
sick sentinel
how much damage is spit gold on a 20 kr fort?
willow scarab
Is lurkers good though like for real good
hidden linden
@sick sentinel 170k baseline
sick sentinel
I thought 170k was on tyrr
willow scarab
I got a 410 one tonight but I have 425 rezans and 415 socket anchor / 415 socket block
brisk ferry
can't you just click on ur name and it'll only display that?
hidden linden
If you click on your name it will bring the option to report it in text channels
I don't know if it's possible to have it as an actual display
sick sentinel
alch trinket is really good
still aurora
Awesome, thanks again
viscid rampart
Mythic Rasta, only me that have struggle with bowswambi ? https://raider.io/characters/eu/twilights-hammer/Eda
what stack are u guys swapping at ? feel like a paper tank when tanking him 😦
viscid rampart
@outer dew sry https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/93qKjbW7ZnckvMQr 11 first try im in
lusty grotto
Yikes
outer dew
based on pull 5, you rot from the debuff
and thne you get hit 2-3 times with unmitigated meeles
so your uptime on SB is kind of wack
or any form of block
sand egret
I dunno sounds like a pretty literal use of Last Stand. By definition, you can only use it one time.
lusty grotto
Get out
sand egret
I played DPS for the first time in a KR last week. I understand why people fucking hate Spit Gold
sick sentinel
thanks mwahi
currently depleting a 20 kr
first boss was really fine
mini boss room did not
ionic fern
On 21 tyr it's 180k
sand egret
One attempt: Got one every time. Pretty sure I got to use 4 abilities on the boss. Second attempt, didn't get it a single time. Whew
lusty grotto
alright tofu this isn't roast me :p
ionic fern
I just got home from work.😂 but jeah..first boss is the least of your worries in that dng on fortified.:D
outer dew
what
lusty grotto
but it sounds like you need to understand how prot works @viscid rampart
lusty grotto
you should check out the icy veins guide and understand how prot works as a blocking tank
outer dew
also seems to the lack of fight knowledge too
on how you guys set up tank the boss on some of the pulls
wait
why do you dump so much range into revenge
sand egret
cuz they were far away
lusty grotto
so many devastate casts
outer dew
tbf
lusty grotto
on #12 for example
outer dew
your groups dps is kind of depressing
so some of the phases are lasting longer than they should
lusty grotto
lots of weird stuff
like tclap is my most casted spell on any fight
but yours is devastate
outer dew
this makes me laugh
tbh
rip LS/Serenity
):
you're also not SR each time you got fire
so you drop way harder than normal
and when you in the swap phase, there's a lot of times where you might end up lining your healer
wipe 9 is kind of your fault
viscid rampart
SR ? Scorching Detonation NO NO
outer dew
but also not really
it's not that it actually reflects
it's the fact you have a damage mit for a large burst
lol
outer dew
for example
20% reduced of almost ~200k damage taken from it
is pretty fat
160k damage taken vs 200k
and it rolls into a couple ticks of withering which isn't big, but it helps a bit
dusk locust
with the change on jaina, tank timings in p2 seem to have changed a bit. for the second avalanche used to be we'd run way out during beam and immediately get avalanche right after, plus the icefall seems to be dropping at a different moment. you guys change how you're handling p2?
trying to decide when the raid should move from 2nd to 3rd barrel and where to put jaina when she's about to avalanche
exotic spoke
Sup
sick sentinel
hello
exotic spoke
I’m just here so I don’t get fined
That and bored at work - slow day today. Wishing I could push keys instead
tropic star
anyone here have a log of warrior tank doing Ire of the deep soaking on mythic blockade?
just kind of poking around WCL and everyone has a DK doing it.
outer dew
Why would you want a warrior to soak ire
tired cove
@exotic spoke YOU'RE FIRED
queen idol
370 Jes' Howler VS 410 Mchimba's Ritual Bandages. Opinions?
frank fog
some1 got a WA for this trait [Durchtriebene Intrigen]?
brisk ferry
^Meticulous Scheming btw
and I just searched WAGO to find this : https://wago.io/FZIsQA7q_
@frank fog
sick sentinel
FUCK THIS WEEK
brisk ferry
I do not like this week as well
sick sentinel
after 4 runs
sand egret
did you just lowkey loot flex...
brisk ferry
oh no... I can feel it.. 
sand egret
ahhh that makes more sense
thought you were humble bragging about all the new loot you got so far haha
(that you had to enchant/gem)
brisk ferry
also I'm jealous of the amount of sockets you must have
sick sentinel
5 sockets 😛
sand egret
that is a lot of sockets tho
brisk ferry
very nice
sick sentinel
I went deadly on my mh as well
sand egret
yeah, bad week for Siphoning
sick sentinel
from 1660 haste down to 1280
brisk ferry
I mean that's still a good amount of haste lol
sick sentinel
and from 1200 crit to 1600
brisk ferry
let us know how it works out for you
sand egret
I even went Pa'ku this week
sick sentinel
first of all
sick sentinel
paku does not give parry
sick sentinel
...
sand egret
HEK
exotic spoke
Did a 19 sos yesterday.
Just dwarf necrotic off ImO
sick sentinel
I was doing ST bosses and I was getting necrotic to reset at 2 or 1 or 0
honest frigate
Just kite 4head 
exotic spoke
Duck that noise. If I’m kiting I’m not doing dps
sand egret
naw, tell your dps to man up and taunt the mob until you reset. Dont move and just watch him, while judging him. When they ask why, just tell them it simmed higher this way. They'll understand.
young oasis
guys, any tips for Stormwall Blockade mythic? Im tanking boss 24/7
exotic spoke
The dh did once last night on a big mob to give me a few extra seconds to let it reset
sick sentinel
40% party with flames
exotic spoke
Using crit food kaege?
sick sentinel
vers food because it is not replaced by fish feast
exotic spoke
Sorry Boki4 can’t help you. I’m planning on using the DK off tank to do most of the shit when we get there
Fair, just thinking may as well start with crit
Why not get mage food though?
sick sentinel
because fish feast heals 2x as fast
exotic spoke
Touché
sick sentinel
magefood is 5%/sec
exotic spoke
You can do both- I forgot
sick sentinel
fish feast is 10%/sec
sick sentinel
we got a td20 as well
and 3 underrots lmao
we just did one and a 21 KR came out of it
exotic spoke
we fucked our 20s last week. So trying to build them back up. Times 19 sos with plenty of room for improvement and got TD
naive barn
@sick sentinel Gemming and enchanting crit any good or just for shits and giggles ?
sick sentinel
it's good if you know what you are doing
going deadly on weapon is stupid
but I did it for the memes
ebon lagoon
Question, I know that Last Stand with Bolster is used to help cover gaps in Shield Block's uptime, but I so far haven't really found where Shield Wall fits in the equation. I at first figured since it was 40% damage reduction, it could be used in the same way as Last Stand to create a DR similar to permablock.
exotic spoke
When you know you’re going to have large incoming damage and or to help fill time when you won’t have LS or SB up which can / will happen
Or magic damage
ebon lagoon
Ah, OK.
exotic spoke
First boss in TD. Do the little bugs he spawn give Necrotic? If so are you just hoping for Parries / using a dps to tank them?
exotic spoke
Fair - just thinking if they all hit once and stack (5) plus what the boss does - is the tunnel underground phase long enough to reset
I guess with dwarf at 20 it shouldn’t get to out of hand on fortified
lusty grotto
it should be long enough yeah
TD is just bad due to sanguine
bosses pose 0 danger this week
exotic spoke
Yeah, I like to think I’m decent at tucking that sanguine into nooks out of the way
And cannons nullify so much trash
lusty grotto
nimchy did some 500 IQ cc's on a TD i ran yesterday
stealth -> distract -> bliind -> get in hitbox -> vanish
on last cannon
last reap avoided np
exotic spoke
The DH I run with usually does it. And yeah same thing we use a night elf to avoid last reaping
lusty grotto
ya if you have a DH, no need for gymnastics like that :p
carried a goddamn quel'thalas tank on it that didn't read for shit
terse walrus
should i use button for prot or keep using [Rezan's Gleaming Eye][Jes' Howler]
honest frigate
@exotic spoke they used to@give necrotic but they were patched months ago to no longer give necrotic
lusty grotto
welp there you go
exotic spoke
Even better thanks gch
sick sentinel
@sand egret
soft prairie
any tips for rastakhan mythic?
ebon hound
i wall whenever i jump out of bobby and into rastakhan
and take bounding for easier swaps
stand between bobby and the healers
so they dont have to run too far to heal you
make sure your at max health before the no heal debuff comes in
honest canopy
Swaps 🙈🤦♂️
exotic spoke
What are you having issues with baaf? And who are you tanking with?
do you have a shaman healer
exotic spoke
do you have a shaman? And who is the other tank?
honest canopy
To ank totem
soft prairie
two prot warrs :))
honest canopy
Use bwosandi trinket
exotic spoke
A dk would be great but you can manage
Don’t use bounding stride
Do you have a shaman?
soft prairie
we got oner
honest canopy
Gucci
exotic spoke
Resto?
honest canopy
Use ank totem
exotic spoke
^^
soft prairie
mm oke
soft prairie
thanks 😃 we'll test it out, if we have lots of issues i'll come back. thanks!
honest canopy
You can use a paladin to taunt as well n bubble
exotic spoke
One person tanks bwomsamdi, the other on rasta. They need to be able to get to about 60 stacks - then die, get ahnk from totem (doesn’t use a brez) and pick up bwomsamdi again
exotic spoke
Other tank holds Rasta the whole time intervene out and then get back in
ebon hound
out of curiosity, whats so bad about swapping that you spend a bres on it
exotic spoke
You don’t spend a brez
honest canopy
Or trinket or purgatorh
exotic spoke
Ahnk totem from shaman doesn’t count
honest canopy
You save a lot of time and hassle and essen The shit
exotic spoke
We four heal it. 3 healers up 1 healer down for bwomsamdi phase
exotic spoke
Move speed for inevitable ends. Our DH go down
Hero for going down and then when they come back up you hero (lust) for up top to kill adds
If you get that far with a good amount of people you win
honest canopy
Remmeber you need to personal ibterupt The add that focus cast
Common mistake
To not to
Rasta was ez
A fight that i am sure was supposef to be harder
swift pier
415 butcher with socket or 410 rezan no socket, to go with diamond trinket
brisk ferry
I would use both over diamond
swift pier
for m jaina?
brisk ferry
oh, that is relevant information
exotic spoke
Diamond is soooo strong though
brisk ferry
I'll retract my answer, I do not raid
exotic spoke
Even if m+ it’s pretty strong
exotic spoke
Agree - just in general
honest canopy
Luve prism
terse fiber
why is diamond not good this week?
wary gyro
Necrotic
exotic spoke
Necrotic effects absorbs
worthy dagger
thats sad, i forgot to change my loot spec to prot when i was raid pugging
that couldve been a 425 shield
exotic spoke
Nah - wouldn’t have been a shield
worthy dagger
one can dream 😦
pastel holly
never tanked necrotic in bfa, how du you handle it? "set" amount of stacks -> stun -> jump out?
unborn island
The p[ain is real
open bluff
fireblood/stoneform (because the only real warriors are dwarves, fuck the lesser races), kill the pack before you die, or just kite
unborn island
why couldn't it have been rezan or block
open bluff
because then rngesus would be kind 
(also non-memeing answer: shadowmeld can drop stacks if you're a NE; unfortunately horde races don't have a racial that lets them cheese necro)
sand egret
@unborn island take solace in the fact that that trinket has a positive interaction with Ignore Pain, effectively increasing each point of that shield's value by double.
as such, it's very effective at mitigating stuff like bleeds
warm plinth
I finally finished my WA suite (it's bad probably XD)
worthy dagger
@unborn island u think thats painful?
oblique garnet
You think thats painful?
sand egret
Nah
worthy dagger
why cant it be rezan or block
wary gyro
Hey at least it's not sporepods
worthy dagger
id have sporepods over that
hexed onyx
Is it worth dropping 10 ilvls to get Bastion of Might?
sand egret
Pretty sure the rest of us not posting shit cuz we got cloaks 3 week in a row got it worse
no
worthy dagger
ilvl > all
warm plinth
I didn't even have a chest, so I win 😉
open bluff
i'd love to get a cloak
wary gyro
Ilvl is always most important especially on azerite
warm plinth
Doing content in 2k19, pshh
open bluff
still using 400 socket
wary gyro
I haven't logged in in over a month now
sand egret
want one of mine? I'm about to start a clearance sale
sand egret
come get your 415s!
warm plinth
Mine is 400 crit
open bluff
cloak/belt/trinkets are about the only things i need on my warrior once i finish my JC ring
warm plinth
400 crit>mast
sand egret
hot and spicy!
open bluff
[laughs in 410 1h and 420 shield]
warm plinth
Oof
Btw how do people post these suites to WA? Do I have to have all the WAs in one group to post them all together?
sand egret
So I apparently scrapped by 415 shoulders sometime weeks ago, I figure, since I noticed last week I'm using my 400 ones instead...so wanna talk about shitty loot situations
warm plinth
Yikes
open bluff
it's okay though, my trinkets are only 400 and probably won't get replaced before 8.2/season 3
oblique garnet
item restoration
warm plinth
🐻
sand egret
but my furboi
outer dew
I got skimped on bean sprouts
sand egret
4 week straight, only upgrades
outer dew
Like 5 cents of bean sprouts were given to me
warm plinth
You have to pay the TR to get them back though so if he spent it already
He won't be able to
sand egret
I'm legit pumpin now
outer dew
I think bear could easily become one of the highest dps tanks
If they didn't feel so squishy
Lmao
sand egret
I clocked a 20k overall the other night, I was pretty happy with that
warm plinth
I mean, they can be highest DPS and still fall over. Just invite them as a DPS 😂
Hybrid tax amirite
outer dew
I think I was like 28k in wcm 16, but some of the pulls i just fell over
Because fort and explosives
Lmao
sand egret
hmm I did a 16 last night and felt fine, tbh
explosives will make you feel like shit tho
sand egret
i only pull one way /shruyg
outer dew
My warrior
sand egret
everything to the courtyard!
sand egret
I know that feeling
sick sentinel
guys, on wowlogs im seeing prot warriors doing 15-16k dps on bfa bosses. im 408 and im only doing 8k?! does anyone have any idea what they are doing to get such high dps?
also some are using devastator!
lunar jackal
First time tanking necro how many stacks should i handle before shockwaving and leaping like a bitch
sand egret
mistiming IF overlaps blows like SBing during LS....without the RNG of blocks to save ya
sand egret
@lunar jackal entirely dependent on your healer too
outer dew
Some.keys you can go until pack ends
lunar jackal
Lets say around +15s
sand egret
I did two 15s last night and I moved at very different moments (one, not at all)
outer dew
Watch your group
lunar jackal
Group is usally a shaman healer outlaw rogue and 2 pugs (sometimes a rwt pallt joins us)
Ret pally*
outer dew
And debate about your health vs timing
sand egret
can't Ret just BoP ya?
outer dew
If you have a ret, you can stay much longer with cancel bop
sand egret
get a cancelaura macro
outer dew
All depends on group
sand egret
sure, but every 5 minutes that's one monster pull you don't have to worry about
outer dew
If you a bitch, you gonna be losing dps
But if you're too cocky
You're gonna fall ove4
Lmao
Keys are most likely gonanbe you adjusting to group
sand egret
imho the keys to necrotic is knowing what you're going to be like a few seconds after you plan to kite and noticing when you have an opportunity for a quick reset (aka, get some lucky parries and only have 3 or 4 seconds left on it)
outer dew
And since you have a rsham
Its also different
Since rsham can just SLT and win game sometimes
sand egret
how does SLT interact with necrotic?
outer dew
I believe slt doesnt count as healing
mortal brook
just redistribution
mortal brook
but like, you brought a resto sham into your dungeon?
sand egret
hmm that's interesting if that's the case
outer dew
If you're doing 15/16s
sand egret
since it works funky with Darkness, figured it was micro instanced heals/damage instances to adjust
oblique garnet
SLT counts as healing
And if you have 3x Sprouting Spirits it will instantly top everyone off
astral path
What's SLT? I can't find it anywhere xD
warm plinth
Spirit link totem
outer dew
Shame they nerfed
The cloudburst and cloudburst interaction
Sprouting spirits*
Imagine topping a raid in two global's with a 20% DR
honest canopy
Less shaman
More Clappa
Did 18,2k dps today at stormwall best try
Decent
Btw
Lets start a prot warrior vip
NO trinket or trait question allowed
exotic spoke
Shaman pump dps though.... big dick dps
umbral forge
everyone pray for @sand condor he's tilting and inting and wiping the raid and ruining Mythic Jaina progress.
he's choking.
sand condor
thanks jettom
exotic spoke
Last night in SoS 19 there where times I had to kite, times I face tanked at 35 stacks, a time I got to 50 stacks, and some times where shit evaporated
It comes down to knowing the pulls, yourself, and the rest of the group
And since democracy spoke - I dwarfed stacks off every 2 minutes if necessary
mortal brook
fire bad. ice also bad. everythings bad.
exotic spoke
Get her hp close to zero before your raids hp goes to zero
mortal brook
:notlikethis:
umbral forge
Eh that's all I need really.
exotic spoke
At least on mekkatorque when we’re wiping I can take out my frustrations some times if Im not shrunk (or if I’m enlarged) and just trample people
silk mortar
Top tier raider right there 🤔
exotic spoke
If you don’t want to kill your raid at every opportunity (that doesn’t cause wipes) are you really a raider?
exotic spoke
I won’t cause a wipe. But if you give me the chance I will straight up murder you
In antorous I would swap blaster people who where running around off of ledges into the abyss.
Going to so that infront of stormwall too
Grabbing guldan rune was amazing too. “Oh.. you’re afk on trash - die”
outer dew
@umbral forge active mitigation uptime is actually pretty low on jaina
exotic spoke
Mostly magic damage isn’t it?
outer dew
Theres a lot of downtime in jaina
Nah, good chunk is physical
Magical is the tot
Rot*
exotic spoke
Fair - asking cause I haven’t done it yet
outer dew
I'll usually LS once you go into blizzard in phase 2
Just to make sure you stay Ali e
Since it's the risky bit where if your cotank or healer are retarded
They can line you
If you tank first
1 SB will be enough to cover opening for awhile
Due to Freezing Blast and Avalanche
Same thing if you tank her first in p3
1-2 SB will be enough for the opener before she goes into frozen orb and broad side
Let's you save LS for when you take ress totem
Since for me, it lined up each time with blizzard and not being topped means getting bitch slapped by ele
Watch out for second orb timing 
Since if you fuck it up you fuck up your enrage timer by having it blow up
outer dew
It's a punishing fight
Esp if you have pulls
The gaps in mitigation will delete you at high stacks
Lol
You dont have to stack with your group btw
Make it a habit not to to avoid frontal in phase 3
And so that your body is always on barrel
Since if you still learning your timing of when to break barrel
You'll probably freeze quite often
Oh, dont have it in your head you taunt every time you drop stacks in phase 2
If you taunt an avalanche before it goes off
Oofies
You're gonna wipe the raid
umbral forge
@sand condor hear that?
outer dew
Its one tank walks off avalanche
The co tank will taunt when the second bait happens on second barrel
First tank will taunt back
Keeps until he runs avalanche
Co tank will taunt for next barrel
And switch back to first tank
sand condor
so
umbral forge
@sand condor can you change name to Vic the Avalanche in the guild discord
outer dew
Your co tank will die very likely before your taunt is up
Lmao, is he taunting the avalanche into the tsid
@sand condor anything else you unsure of?
Main thing about jaina is to not panic taunt
Lmao
umbral forge
@sand condor for real you're playing a lot worse than you usually go. Take the break, go drink a glass of ice cold water, draw some fresh air
sand egret
Poor Vic. My homeboy getting put on blast like that. I'm on #TeamVic now.
smoky iris
elemental whirl, unstable flames, or shimmering haven? for m+
oblique garnet
UF
smoky iris
is callous reprisal worth it? either that or ruinous bolt
oblique garnet
callous better
sonic trellis
thorn fiber
Knot
umbral forge
@sand condor is about to choke and wipe the last pull on Mythic Jaina tonight.
Here it is @sand condor the last pull 😄
Depending on you this will be a kill or a wipe. You and you alone @sand condor
unborn island
@worthy dagger i got a 415 big red button the first week i did a 10 >.<
would a 425 mchimbas be ever considered over a 400 rezan/block for m+? I don't do high enough that dying is actually an issue
25 ilvl worth of STR is nice, but how does it compare with the rezan/block uptime?
jaunty aspen
Which to equip 1h 410 vers mastery weapon or 415 crit haste weapon?
lunar jackal
415
jaunty aspen
Cause of ilevel?
tropic star
ilvl>all on weapon and shield pretty much
even statless weapons i would go for ilvl just for damage
jaunty aspen
Ok thx
exotic spoke
@umbral forge at least he didn’t make a nightborne warrior. @sand condor #TeamVic all the way
exotic spoke
Anytime Jettom mocks you.... just remember...: Nightborne warrior. I mean seriously - who does that?
exotic spoke
Doesn’t change the fact you made a nightborne warrior. I’m not implying you can’t play well - just questioning your rationale behind that decision
sand egret
#TeamVic
sand egret
#IStandWithVic
sick sentinel
#teamVic
exotic spoke
#I(Last)StandWithVic
exotic spoke
I have my moments and I’m glad you agree with me
sand egret
gotta come together against a common enemy: Vic-Shaming
exotic spoke
It’s despicable isn’t it!
honest frigate
Nightborne is one of the most aesthetically pleasing races. What’s wrong with them?
exotic spoke
I mean... I like you gch. And I appreciate your help earlier.... but I’m sorry you are misinformed
weary dagger
Guys I have a question, during mekka prog over 27 pulls our tank had a 9% (yes 9%) uptime on ignore pain, 28% uptime shield block, used last stand 37 times. I play prot myself in m+ but never raidtanked, is there a secret reason he isnt using ignore pain or what?
exotic spoke
What are your two tanks?
weary dagger
Prot and BDK
umbral forge
Gch is my hero
primal sable
Does he die a lot?
weary dagger
yes every time after intermision
without using block
shield wall*
never calling for externals
exotic spoke
Then bladesong is correct
primal sable
Lol what
exotic spoke
He’s missing the skills on his bars: conversely maybe he’s bad?
primal sable
Maybe he's strictly anti-absorbs
weary dagger
ok I mean we were yikesing in our officer chat as well just wanted to doublecheck then
sand egret
I'd say he's missing fingers...but I've totally seen people play this game with a Drum Set.....
ancient tartan
There's no way he should rationally have a 9% uptime on ignore pain lol
exotic spoke
Instantly gone cause he knows exactly when to use it right before he takes damage
ancient tartan
Maybe he loves auto attacking instead of generating rage
sand egret
he could time precisely when the damage instance takes place to fully eat the IP
sand egret
reducing the uptime of the buff since it gets eaten immediately?
maybe he's the prophesized Warrior of Rage....
weary dagger
lol
ancient tartan
I like this theory
sand egret
I got nothing. If you want some actionable advice, I'd say drop a log. If not, then yeah we agree. Your tank is a dink.
exotic spoke
Basically without logs we don’t know. Probably he’s fucking something up
sand egret
damn we got that #TeamVic synergy going on
weary dagger
exotic spoke
#LastStandWithVic
primal sable
Thats some yikes pulls
steel mauve
look at his rage wasted lol
primal sable
How do you only use ignore pain 4 times in a 13% wipe
weary dagger
LOL
primal sable
POG
sand egret
Next question.
primal sable
Maybe he knows something we dont
warm plinth
Nah he clearly ignored it @sand egret
steel mauve
thats nearly 40% of the rage he generated was wasted, sat capped for almost 30 seconds at a couple of times
sand egret
like when does that ever happen
warm plinth
Nah I think what happened is that he knew he had the ability and chose to pretend it didn't exist.
weary dagger
Yea I will
primal sable
Maybe he's just revenging really really hard
sand egret
boy do I hope he's open to criticism
warm plinth
Those are my favorite prot wars. The ones who want to improve!
sand egret
cuz that could turn into a bloodbath real fast
steel mauve
not likely, used revenge twice in a 7min pull
ancient tartan
Hahahah did that say 27 total ignore pain casts across 26 pulls or did I misread it?
exotic spoke
Nope. I think we have verified your ability to read
exotic spoke
Wait.... wat?
sand egret
My man cast Taunt as many times as he casted Shield block
umbral forge
I do not like this picture
lucid bough
Devastator HYPE!
exotic spoke
That’s a fuck ton of extra damage taken there
ancient tartan
Are you doing mythic progression?
ancient tartan
How did he make it this far lol
weary dagger
he joined us on rhasta
exotic spoke
Are you NA or EU? Can’t check at work
weary dagger
EU
umbral forge
Is this gigadots's guy?
exotic spoke
Damn
weary dagger
yea
sand egret
that Devestator!
umbral forge
@weary dagger give your healers a raise and a new tank.
lucid bough
Read guide, see videos and done xD
ancient tartan
He's either trolling you or has very little idea what he's doing unfortunately
weary dagger
Thank you all for the input
sand egret
most likely the latter
sand egret
my bet is: dude played Prot in Legion
sand condor
Woah guys
sand egret
actually, that's not true. Maybe beginning of Legion....no end-of-Legion warrior is caught skimping on that much IP
sand condor
Thanks for last standing with me
sand egret
no Vic-shaming on my watch
umbral forge
😂