Just get as many stats as you can get
#protection
autumn pendant
You can try tactic of the guy that claimed whole guild stacked vers
For heroic progression
🙃
stoic forge
@sick sentinel shame it does not show in dps meter xd
strong forum
heroic
progression
LoooooooOOOO
near ivy
autumn pendant
Thank you Star
ionic fern
o.o
strong forum
I don't have a lamo big enough
sick sentinel
wooden radish
y i k e s
autumn pendant
Those are more common than you would think
viral arch
@timid jay linking my links
undone sun
😬
wooden radish
nah. all of that shit went to Mb
brittle owl
dang
near ivy
well
wooden radish
i kinda feel bad for HOTTANX no meme. he's perma muted.
wooden radish
might as well ban him
brittle owl
😂
near ivy
he got benched on normal prog
near ivy
breaking news this just in, fury is now so bad that you get benched in normal raids
brittle owl
i sorta feel bad about people taking easy stuff seriously and still failing
but then again i remember that there's people unable to run 10m
wooden radish
🤷
umbral forge
Oh shit I just remembered, my cousin's boyfriend
we talked to the store like 400 meters and we had to call a cab, he was out of breath and in second wind.
autumn pendant
There are people that took 3 hours to complete +2
umbral forge
goddamn Death Knight mains.
drowsy relic
necrotic is an affix tho
autumn pendant
Not everybody plays with same style
drowsy relic
you should play around affixes
autumn pendant
...
drowsy relic
so you take ravager
autumn pendant
Sal tell him
brittle owl
IT BEGGINS AGAIN BOIS
exotic spoke
Alright... I’m back from my meeting and ready to riot again against 
drowsy relic
ive given you my reasoning theres no trolling lol
wooden radish
are we still on ravager
umbral forge
What did I miss
wooden radish
notlikeblob
autumn pendant
Lot
exotic spoke
I dunno, I just got out of a meeting and want to riot
final mist
There’s no reasoning. You never pick Ravager. Ever. End of discussion.
drowsy relic
you can argue damage, but damage doesnt chest keys, controlling the affix does
near ivy
Shawrus: "please feed me"
final mist
You’re actually trolling.
brittle owl
well your reasoning is shit and based on trivial content experience @drowsy relic
drowsy relic
trivial content
undone sun
🤔
drowsy relic
i do m+
wooden radish
+2s?
near ivy
m+ is a pretty wide collection
drowsy relic
i dont just do 10s lol
wooden radish
+2s are M+
autumn pendant
I think he does high ones
brittle owl
nah fam he does them 15's
near ivy
oh shit he does 11s/12s
undone sun
There is no real world scenario where ravage should be considered, as mentioned before
brittle owl
i was actually gonna be generous but you guys are roasting harder so okay
exotic spoke
What do you do shawrus?
Also, damage does chest keys. Purely controlling the affix won’t get you through higher keys
timid jay
@undone sun I resent that, it looks cool
autumn pendant
Reason why prot is so good
umbral forge
Anger Management will let you control the affix harder than Ravager ever could 🤣
timid jay
throw it around town when you look at AH
autumn pendant
Is huge dmg
exotic spoke
That said, higher dps also means shorter engagements which means fewer chances of mistakes
undone sun
🗞 @timid jay
autumn pendant
Also many others
undone sun
Lol
sand egret
The friends you made along the way is the true endgame.
umbral forge
Yeah mate but people pushing with Brewmasters don't do so without using Ironskin Brew.
umbral forge
AM is such a vital part to prot
exotic spoke
Damage is a contributing factor. That said you can do 20s on any class really.
near ivy
"people push on Brm and paladins" yea but not as high as the push with prot warrior
brittle owl
^
sand egret
but seriously, wtf is going on in here?
exotic spoke
AM is soooo good
brittle owl
you can do 22's on VDH even
autumn pendant
@sand egret
timid jay
Whatever you want Bladesong
brittle owl
THAT'S NOT THE POINT DOE
exotic spoke
Why would I use ravager when I’m a dwarf and can use crit trinkets 
near ivy
@drowsy relic link your rio
final mist
Ravager sucks. There is no real world scenario that will ever give you a benefit if you took Ravager over AM. You are actually and actively trolling and inting your keys if you take it. @drowsy relic
brittle owl
NECROTIC 👏 ISN'T 👏 : AN 👏 AFFIX
umbral forge
@drowsy relic you're obviously a troll you use a goddamn fishing line brand as your PFP.
Hook line and sinker eh?
exotic spoke
But that said, you lose more than you gain by taking ravager
final mist
Y’all make me wanna come back just to dunk on you, holy fuck
autumn pendant
Please do
exotic spoke
No balls @final mist you won’t
drowsy relic
there are vods of people doing 20s with ravager 3 months ago on next week's necrotic affixes
undone sun
How're you asking basic questions like which enchants are better but now insist on saying ravager is better....
exotic spoke
MJ in the height of his career style
drowsy relic
they were actively inting their keys?
final mist
Remember when Vegeta came back to Earth and went Super Saiyan our of nowhere and dunked on the androids?
That kind
sand egret
that is a very specific dunk reference
exotic spoke
No balls
final mist
Guess what? Those people suck
sand egret
i dig it
drowsy relic
theyre 3.6k io now lol
drowsy relic
ok
undone sun
There's also vods of people using heavy leech, doesn't make it bis
exotic spoke
And do they still take ravager? Probably not
wooden radish
there are plenty of retards who have high io score.
exotic spoke
Just dwarf it up with crit trinkets and win
drowsy relic
then why ask for my rio?
sand egret
sees next week is necrotic
gets where this convo came from
wooden radish
io score by itself in a vacuum means literally nothing.
exotic spoke
@sand egret you’ll be happy - I’m a DiD now
sand egret
❤
final mist
People stack Crit and clear Jaina
undone sun
Since when did I ask for it, it's a trash system
final mist
Doesn’t mean it’s good
drowsy relic
and mdi=/= live server keys (for mdi you need damage so you never take ravager)
sand egret
the thing with Ravager is that it doesn't actually help with necrotic
near ivy
but you dont need damage on live?
undone sun
Defensively it's trash
exotic spoke
You need damage in all the higher keys
umbral forge
The thing with current game is that everything is tracked using bots.
old zephyr
No in mdi you'd don't take ravager Because you'd don't tank anything
near ivy
then why tank things in live l m a o
old zephyr
You pull so big that past the wall duration you're dead
exotic spoke
And the survivability avatar offers is amazing with the increased block / IP / more thunder claps keeping up demo
this just in - if everythjngs dead - you don’t die to necrotic
undone sun
There are many ways to avoid necrotic, parry isn't something you force a talent change to, especially for how strong AM is
old zephyr
Clap more, ennemies dead, best cc
exotic spoke
You’re gimping you’re active mitigation (lasts tand with bolster) your damage (avatar / demo shout) and your survivability (avatar / demo shout) by taking ravager
undone sun
Roll DiD
brittle owl
or DiD
exotic spoke
DiD is bae
brittle owl
or the other dwarf works as well
exotic spoke
You mean the original dwarf
brittle owl
no
undone sun
Stun more, kites, do more damage, ez
exotic spoke
“Other”
brittle owl
the other dwarf
exotic spoke
Lol
old zephyr
Have à team that play right and necro is à non affix
sand egret
I legit used ravager to push during a necrotic week. Meme's aside, the actual use-case of what you want to use it for doesn't actually work due to the fact that it's entirely RNG. What it does allow you to do is facetank a pack for a few seconds longer before you inevitably need to run. What you lose, though, is the rest of the power from AM. Ultimately, the best way to deal with necrotic is to kite since it's 100% chance to remove it.
honest canopy
Necrotic aint even Hard
exotic spoke
Warriors can face tank up to 30 ish anyway without a problem
near ivy
im just saying
brisk ferry
we might use it opposite of monk though, prevent shit from running away
near ivy
if you think necrotic is an issue
there is a reason a talent exists that increases the range of thunder clap
🤷
brisk ferry
oh yeah I agree, now I just want RoP on my warr lol
near ivy
umbral forge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/20#class=Warrior&spec=Protection&leaderboards=1
By going over this you can see every ranked warrior runs Anger Management.
Let's narrow it down to only Necrotic.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/20#class=Warrior&spec=Protection&leaderboards=1&affixes=202
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/20#class=Warrior&spec=Protection&leaderboards=1&affixes=205
Narrow it to every key level above level 10.
Every top warrior uses AM and not ravager.
You have to go far below 10 to see Ravager used, ever.
near ivy
anybody thats typing rn better be typing :.deswind:
umbral forge
autumn pendant
brisk ferry
brittle owl
i do not know this deswind, i am new to this church
autumn pendant
@brittle owl fu
brittle owl
is he the local blueprint
exotic spoke
So, planning for this week - I usually run diamond + something else howler, idol, whatever.
Thinking of running a 410 gore crusted and a 400 thing that also gives crit - can’t remember. Any thoughts?
undone sun
Hopefully not as arrogant @brittle owl
umbral forge
it's necrotic. @sand condor reroll prot paladin
wooden radish
blueprint is one of a kind
autumn pendant
exotic spoke
Nah Jettom - reroll dwarf
sand condor
Hmmmm no
brittle owl
blueprint is from NZ
pretend land
you can excuse his eccentricities on account he doesn't know how society functions
outside of goat herding
exotic spoke
Knot, butcher block and knot is what I’m thinking of running this week. Any thoughts?
wooden radish
you're running double knot? kappa
umbral forge
I have an erhm, Druid friend, so whenever you guys write knot I just think the worst stuff.
near ivy
triple trinkets
umbral forge
Can we call it the Ivus trinket instead
near ivy
i am confused as to what this means
brittle owl
welfare trinket
exotic spoke
Knot and butcher block you knew what I mean lol
umbral forge
:x
exotic spoke
Since diamond shield will not be as effective
Only a 410 and 400 Ilvl though. Could use a 415 socketed howler instead of the knot
410 vial of animated blood.
wooden radish
because of extra parry amirite
undone sun
🤦
wooden radish
🤦
exotic spoke
Lol, I was thinking the damage
near ivy
Hi
exotic spoke
I don’t get necrotic stacks if the mobs are all dead.
Also, necroticisnt a scary affix for warriors
exotic spoke
Yeah, I’ve seen his post here so far today.
exotic spoke
Riot!!!
wooden radish
he can't see you, if you don't move.
chilly hemlock
hi I was told Ravager is as good of a cd as DRW for bdk, is it true?
exotic spoke
Lol
final mist
Mel, I’ll ban you m8
strong forum
Same @umbral forge
final mist
Go back to Antorus or Archerus or wherever it is you DKs crawl out of @chilly hemlock
umbral forge
@final mist seen Grappler Baki?
final mist
chilly hemlock
🔨
wooden radish
🤔
undone sun
🥖
final mist
I have yes Jet
final mist
It’s p good ye
umbral forge
watching the old series now
goddamn I want a Warrior build that's about unarmed fighting so I can go Hanayama on my raid bosses.
Monk fighting is too weeby for me
sand egret
already been done
exotic spoke
Fist weapons obviously
Can we even use fist weapons still?
umbral forge
I don't have zen I have seething rage and hatred
sand egret
Vindictus has a class/char/spec thing that basically allowed you to do that Jettom
umbral forge
If you like Warriors
umbral forge
Baki is the perfect Anime if you truly are a Warrior
sand egret
nothing like seeing a "raid boss" and you going "hold my beer" and suplexing it
umbral forge
goddamn I want that.
sand egret
yeah, it was a really neat design
a few eastern mmo's do similar stuff
with grapple as an alternate, more nuanced form of CC
umbral forge
I don't like eastern mmo's
umbral forge
I may be a massive weeb who has gone to Japan twice and own a double digit number of Anime figurines but it's just far, far too weeby for me.
Like the Monk campaign in Legion was hitting the limit for how much I can take.
I prefer western fantasy. Everything is horrible and you're a peasant with a stick
worthy dagger
thats called dark fantasy
sand egret
eh, I mean in like mechanical design not visual/stylistic
umbral forge
Yeah it's just
sand egret
when i say eastern vs western
sand egret
combat in bdo is pretty slick, tbh
worthy dagger
they created the best MMO ever and it was too hard for us common people so they shut it down
Wizardry MMO, RIP
sand egret
you bet your ass if they made wow 2.0, first thing to go is linked combat
umbral forge
Like GW2 has?
sand egret
linked combat is what wow is now: auto attacks and attacks are magically "linked"
aka a mage doesn't need to aim a frost bolt
just face the target and poof
was way easier to implement combat in that way back in the day, but since then games have improved tremendously that it's not really needed
umbral forge
I will never see them remove linked combat for ranged spells.
sand egret
you wanna know how to balance raids?
make it so ranged isn't just better melee
the actual advantage of being closer and therefore easier to hit your target doesn't exist in wow. Being 40 yards is nothing but safety, etc.
heck, even timing doesn't exist since hit registry happens upon cast completion
which is why Spell Reflect feels awkward as fuck
tired dagger
The issue is just that every mechanic that affects melee makes us have to leave the boss for way too long
But ranged players can just take two steps left to dodge the lazy puddle that blizz copy pastes onto every fight
tired dagger
I mean the "problem" you're talking about is a fundamental game design decision made nearly two decades ago
That's not changing lol
tired dagger
I'm just saying that removing linked combat isn't a viable solution to balance raids
If they never had linked combat, they might be more balanced
umbral forge
he's saying if they make WoW2
tired dagger
But that is a very core part of wow gameplay now and you can't really remove it
tired dagger
You literally said "you wanna know how to balance raids?"
sand egret
like I said, read up.
umbral forge
In regards to his statement
It wasn't a "How to balance raids in current game"
it was
"How to balance raids in a game without linked combat"
it was a follow up from a previous statement, not a new statement.
sand egret
BladesongToday at 10:49 AM
you bet your ass if they made wow 2.0, first thing to go is linked combat
tired dagger
Yes, I saw that
sand egret
so everything after is a hypothetical
strong forum
What is linked combat even
tired dagger
I still don't think they would remove it
umbral forge
@strong forum in one word, tagged combat.
tired dagger
It is a very fundamental core part of the casual mmo that wow is
umbral forge
auto reticle
sand egret
@strong forum it's how auto attacks work
strong forum
Ah tab targeting
umbral forge
nah not really but yes exactly.
sand egret
or hunter spells
umbral forge
It's how whether spells hit or not is determined by range
sand egret
i dunno why I specificaly said hunter spells, but spells
umbral forge
not if you actually hit the target
so I on my hunter can stand 45 degrees away from my target and still hit
aim*
sand egret
well, it's more than you can cast on X and the only determining factors to completion are a) Line of Sight and b) range
or watch a VoD of the crucible kills and see all the missles magically hone in on the same spot in the targets hitbox
steel mauve
Bring back hit rating? 😉
sand egret
that's "linked" combat
strong forum
Hit rating is horrible
strong forum
Imagine targeted spells that can miss
sand egret
before the missile hits you
strong forum
Nothing is more annoying than an attack / ability that randomly misses
So that's not a fix
Can't give ranged only mechanics cuz people will melee stack much like people ranged stack so that's not a balance
Can't buff melee cuz that will make ranged useless like they are in m+
It's very hard to balance
But buffing classes like warrior or dks would defo help with representation since both are fucking dead
But that's a different topic
vocal skiff
So how do you feel about sanguine and necrotic eh
strong forum
But then again also, raid balance only affects top tier guilds that play what's best anyway
vocal skiff
I remember struggling last time this combo was up lol
strong forum
It's easy
You have to kite to some degree with necrotic anyway sanguine is a annoying but shouldn't do too much
And the other way around, because of sanguine you have to kite anyway so necrotic is a bit annoying but shouldn't do too much
So they almost cancel each other out
brittle owl
it's annoying first time you run into it
very shorty thereafter you realise they are essentially non existant, if played correctly
on all tanks
can't think of a tank that struggles with it
dense flame
sand egret
@strong forum to be specific about what I ultimately was suggesting, is that ranged attacks/abilities never randomly miss. They miss when you miss.
brittle owl
ehm shrin you have alot of places where you can LoS casters. KR is a non issue
honestly it's only waycrest that's kiiinda annoying
sand egret
yeah WC is going to be annoying, but I'll just prob just end up pulling everything to the courtyard and making a big ol' Sanguine painting
errant granite
does cyclone strike at tempel still work with spell reflection?
vocal skiff
The only route in which I can see WM being annoying is top right
No big room at the beginning to pull stuff into
brittle owl
it's annoying in the sense that you need to go out of your way alot more to not make it impossible to path thru
errant granite
hmm yesterday it worked, but today it killed me, well just a selffail i guess ( i wasnt the target)
sand egret
so unless they ninja patched it today
I wanna lean on a fail, but who knows
maybe they did ninja patch it directly/indirectly
strong forum
Hey did anybody hear about classic 🛌 can't wait for all the fan boys to notice how bad it actually was 🛌
civic isle
Hey I’m new to warrior tanking. Would it be ok if I asked a few generic midigatjon questions ??
brisk ferry
definitely ask away
civic isle
So I’m finding a gap in between my 2 chargers of shield block. What are u using to fill in with?
brisk ferry
should be SB > SB > SB > LS > SB > SB
sand egret
Last Stand
brisk ferry
Last Stand
civic isle
Oh
sand egret
implies you're using the Bolster talent
civic isle
When are u using ignore pain?
strong forum
When you can afford to spend 40 rage
civic isle
Cuz I go into a fight. I’m using SB on Cooldowns. So your filling in the gap with last stand
brittle owl
last stand should be up every pack, usually
peak rampart
Hey everyone
sand egret
you should check out #268491842637660160 btw, it goes into your mitigation sequence. Specifically check out https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
civic isle
Alright I’ll read that now
sand egret
it talks about Last Stand / SB usage
peak rampart
Hows everyone feeling about Prot Warrior viability?
I am hearing a lot about your DPS.
I main a BDK, and am looking to maybe make a switch over.
Also, any insight into what races for alliance are good for Prot Warrior?
brisk ferry
dark iron dwarf
sand egret
The term "viability" is kinda a meme in a practical sense. All tanks are "viable" in a general sense, assuming the definition is "can they do the content?" If you're conflating "viable" with "are they top tier?", then even then yes they are "viable" under that definition. They're the current "best pick" due to their extremely strong defensive capabilities and their top-tier damage potential.
peak rampart
I mean, like, are they squishy?
peak rampart
Because I like my dk if healer sucks, I can keep myself alive pretty well.
sand egret
Thought I covered that by the “best pick due to their extremely strong defensive capabilities” part 😃
charred vigil
Prot pally is also solid. Doesn’t seem to put as much dps out as warrior but it seems to be able to stay close.
sand egret
though, I do appreciate the irony as DKs were previously (in 8.0) the “viable” pick because of their utility, not defensive capabilities haha
prot pally is basically the DK/Prot War hybrid imho
peak rampart
How so?
sand egret
strong reactive self healing like a bdk
sand egret
but also shares the strengths of block/high armor mitigation
charred vigil
Yes. I like the ability to save one of my teammates asses in m+ with a blessing or heal
sand egret
and has more specific “utility” options like Spell Warding/BoP etc
brisk ferry
dps is more than most dps @peak rampart
stiff bear
Just got plater and got a mod that applies different colours depending on importance which i kinda like.. now i want to make it so explosive orbs and some other nameplates get bigger. how do i do this? not good at this kind of stuff at all
peak rampart
Hmm I'll need to look into Prot Pally too then.
brisk ferry
@stiff bear #ui-addons-manager
charred vigil
I would think that is going to be changing soon though
undone sun
How so
nova rune
where is jani to turn in rep does anyone know?
versed widget
hey guys is strength in numbers a good inner ring trait?
primal sable
who's jani
brisk ferry
@versed widget no
versed widget
what's the go to? earth link?
sick sentinel
@versed widget like bro said it depends on the azerite piece, but typically if u can aim for it, try to aim for Overwhelming Power
So long as ur not losing ilvl or good main traits
worthy dagger
prot is dead
sick sentinel
Retail wow is dead*
sand egret
damn millenials
sick sentinel
Classic is here to save us
undone sun
Cannot save the dead
sick sentinel
Classic is here to save us
undone sun
Fuck classic
sick sentinel
Why would you say something so controversial, yet so true?
I hope blizzard can brand players who played vainilla and who played classic
So we know who's a lier and who's an idiot
Also hey, now that there is unlimited time to do Naxx we can actually see if Naxx was actually hard or not
sand egret
i mean even now, I bet 4-Horseman/Thaddius would cause a few wipes
After all, Thaddius was the first boss to introduce "stand next to those with the same debuff" mechanic to WoW
sick sentinel
Didn't naxx have a short life span since BC was right around the corn
sand egret
yea, it wasn't the longest
sick sentinel
Like 2 weeks or something
sand egret
def longer than that
vocal skiff
Nah, far more than 2 weeks
sick sentinel
Ah 3
sick sentinel
Yeah so then not many people really had a chance which is why it was considered hard
Guilds now a days spend close to a month just clearing heroic
If not more
vocal skiff
As far as I remember, people who cleared it or were close to it were the ones who had AQ40 on farm
And that wasn't easy to begin with
To that time's standards at least
sick sentinel
I really fucking thought for a second it said Jan 9 2006
vocal skiff
But yeah, I echo the "fuck classic" sentiment
I played it then, and maybe I will play a bit for nostalgia's sake
sick sentinel
So about 24 weeks
vocal skiff
But no way I am ditching retail
sick sentinel
To clear naxx
sand egret
but as a power curve and as someone who raided for WF in OG Naxx
it was hard
very hard compared to AQ40
esp if you were horde
steel mauve
I played vanilla, and im gonna dabble in classic but i definitely do not have the rose tinted glasses
sand egret
the patchwerk 10k breakpoint was a pain in the ass
steel mauve
That shit was pretty difficult and grindy back then
sand egret
loatheb was a fucking cockblock and a half
Heigan caused wayyy to many annoying wipes cuz people couldn't dance
sick sentinel
I keep seeing that shit, do u mean literally /dance
vocal skiff
no
sand egret
it's trivial now
sick sentinel
Or just move around
vocal skiff
Go to one side, and then the other
sand egret
but basically move around
1/3 of the room would be safe
you had to move to that part or you die, thus the "dance" sequence
but remember
this is 40 people
sick sentinel
Ok I was really hoping for an actually mechanic involving emotes
sand egret
not 20
thaddius with 40 people
that's DOUBLE your raid size
where if ONE person fucks it up
the whole raid wipes
vocal skiff
Yeah, the early raids (MC, BWL) lacked much in personal responsibility mechanics
sand egret
people forget that a "difficult" part of classic raiding was simply the logistics of 40 people
sick sentinel
If they don't put m+ in classic, who even cares
vocal skiff
Can't say for AQ, as I barely raided it
sick sentinel
Unfortunately with classic too many people are now going to fucking lie about being "OG"
final mist
Raiding in Classic was never hard, the fights were easy
The hard part was getting 40 idiots to do the same thing at once
Even then, you had 10-15 people carrying the rest of the group
Most of the raid was just to fill out bodies
sick sentinel
I can't talk much for vainilla since I started in BC-ish, but I do wonder how the raiding scene was like outside of AQ/Naxx since that's what is mainly talked about
Which gives me the idea that it wasn't crazy hard
twilit jasper
naxx was a tad harder
and beating the gear checks was effort
farming nature resistance gear for aq or t2 set bonus for 6 tanks for four horsemen in anxx
sick sentinel
Given more time I think a lot more people would have cleared it
twilit jasper
kel thuzad was a pretty intense dps check
as in with the amount of loot u get from 1 boss
it takes a while to gear 40 ppl
zinc spoke
i think the best part about classic is you just had 1 button to mash
frostbolt for 10 minutes straight? awesome
sick sentinel
Wasn't there a dot limit on bosses or something?
zinc spoke
I didn't play warrior in classic
i just pressed blink and iceblock and frostbolt
many times
vocal skiff
A debuff limit, yes
sick sentinel
Was that in place with Naxx?
vocal skiff
Iirc, yes
sick sentinel
Oof
vocal skiff
But the debuff limit was increased during vanilla
I think it was originally 16, and then bumped to 24
vocal skiff
Technical limitations
zinc spoke
they just didn't think about raids with 12 warlocks
the raid mechanics planning was really poor at first
sick sentinel
Vainilla was really poor
But it slowly improving was what made it fun since it was this new thing
Now we know what to expect and when
Which isn't a truly bad but for some gets boring
tired dagger
Yeah it was a conscious choice to reduce memory footprint
lusty grotto
hello, was i summoned?
tired dagger
There's still technically a debuff limit but it's like 255 debuffs or something absurd
lusty grotto
oh i see i see @sick sentinel
classic discussion yikes
time to go back into the water indeed
sick sentinel
I doubt we'll ever see that many debuffs since we can barely have that many
But I guess they are assuming for crazy spells and shit that stack like crazy individually
tired dagger
It must be higher than 255 I guess but I remember a gdc talk where they said there's still an actual hard limit even in current
lusty grotto
world dragons would like a word with you INR
sick sentinel
Fuck them dagons
They should bring back spell ranking and if u apply all the different ranks and not consume any of the weaker ones
Gotta maintain proper up time on 20 ranks of a single debuff
astral crystal
i sure hope this discord will have a quarantine channel for classic prot
lusty grotto
yeah well there is a classic discussion channel
versed widget
just had a 420 jes howler drop. yeet
exotic spoke
There already is one Atticus
undone sun
Definitely not worth making multiple
chilly brook
I mean tbh Jes is a really good trink
versed widget
hey guys is blood siphon (83 mastery/41 leech) better than lifespeed (83 haste/41 avoidance)
chilly brook
It’s not bad for m+ either tho
exotic spoke
Oh I agree griff - just saying some better options for m+
I use my socketed 415 depending on the week
chilly brook
Pretty sure that those traits are rated on icyveins
versed widget
ill check it out
chilly brook
But also pretty sure lifespeed is better
sick sentinel
lifespeed is better
chilly brook
I would personally take haste and aoe damage reduction
sick sentinel
but at that point you compare the inner traits as well
versed widget
they're both ranked as "s tier"
sick sentinel
they are roughly equal
chilly brook
I would say avoidance is more valuable than leech
exotic spoke
They are ranked in order in each tier
versed widget
ahhh
exotic spoke
But yes, they are relatively minor - the other inner traits should be considered
versed widget
thanks guys
honest canopy
Ok friends
Wich pice has RF and BoM/IF/DC possible?
Going ultra cheezy RF build tomorrow
signal plover
wheat bronze
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel what do you mean
warm plinth
There's an IF build? 😅 New meme? 😢
sick sentinel
I would consider 3bom 1dc 2if and if build I guess
warm plinth
Yeah that's all that I'm getting too lol
exotic spoke
Watch out Nim or I’ll sick Stewart on you
lusty grotto
😮
exotic spoke
Lol
tidal scarab
Thoughts?
sick sentinel
ilvl :/
exotic spoke
Weapon damage and primary stats
You want 1 dc and 3 BoM. After that you have options.
Yes there are other builds - but that shell is the most prevalent
The other prot warrior traits are solid. So just take the best ones for what you’re doing (check icyveins) and you’ll be fine until you get an “optimal” build
exotic spoke
7 traits eh?
exotic spoke
This just in - don’t do that set up
honest canopy
Should do. RF is like 4% increase. Each
exotic spoke
Dc extending demo shout probably out weighs it
brisk ferry
RF is not 4%
brisk ferry
and confirmed it was nowhere near 4
honest canopy
He/she posted it here last night
brisk ferry
I thought it was Mwahi discussing it yesterday and they had confirmed it was closer to 1.8-2
jagged dust
Which traits:
2 BoM, 1 BS, 2 DC, 1 BFI
2 BoM, 1 BS, 1 DC, 2 BFI
3 BoM, 1 DC, 1 BFI, 1 CR
3 BoM, 1 DC, 1 BFI, 1 BI
sand egret
the last
honest canopy
👌
jagged dust
ty
whole coral
how do you guys handle grabing agro from the elemental and jaina at the same time on mythic after you die in p3?
or do you taunt elemental right when you ress and taunt jaina when other tank dies
?
trail whale
you taunt 1 right when you rez
whole coral
well 3 hours of raiding tonight on jaina so ^^
trail whale
unless youw ant your other tank to just take the dick and die quicker
fickle sparrow
Helm of the Raptor King seems pretty decent.
honest canopy
What coffe said
I suicide and taunted jaina instsnt on brezz
Fk The elemental, sort it right after when off cd
Going full dps tomorrow
Wanna smash
Sad i dont have more then decent trinkets
mortal brook
3 ppl got 425 shields in the M champs pug today D:
warm plinth
Jesus
next goblet
sporepod decent for prot? its that or a briny barnacle both at 410
lusty grotto
shitpods
sand egret
Fort weeek for seige is good
lusty grotto
its decent for expulsom 😃
worthy dagger
x3 CR + x3 BS + Best Served Cold, Vengeance + Never Surrender
next goblet
would you rather use briny barnacle over sporepod?
worthy dagger
best build
sand egret
it's very hard to conceptualize a mechanic that casts something at the end of the cast bar
lusty grotto
yes on briny barnacle
sand egret
sporepods is RNG on RNG
next goblet
i also have a 395 jes howler but jes howler is crispy and im not giving that up for either of those 2
sand egret
so for "defense" it stinks, regardless of its numerical value
next goblet
even if it means i lose some raw strength
sand egret
if only sporepods cultivated its heal and triggers when you dropped below X amount or took Y amount of damage...alas the inability to create tank trinkets astounds me.
honest canopy
Btw
next goblet
well thats some booty buttcheeks
sand egret
love the Abe pic btw
honest canopy
Any one tried Bursting Blood portion over str one on bosses where you burn smt Quick at start, like stormwall?
next goblet
lol thankyou @sand egret
warm plinth
Abe's Oddysee was my shit as a kid
sand egret
a wonderful gem of a series
next goblet
absolutely
next goblet
munch's oddysee was rough though
honest canopy
I was more of baldursgste, fallout etc when it came to SP games
But i get why ppl liked abes
sand egret
had that flashback/comix zone side-scrolling 4th-wall vibe
sand egret
and really pushed the envelope on the PoP -style of "learning"
astral crystal
yo how bout that jill of the jungle
sand egret
which is what you see in like Super Meat Boy today
astral crystal
#1 game when i was like 10 years old
sand egret
yeah, Epic never made another hit until Fortnite
honest canopy
Jill!
sand egret
😆
honest canopy
Remmeber when i was shwon nortoncommander
I could click on dos, my world did evolve into nirvana
@astral crystal Menace and Keen Commander tho
True luve
astral crystal
the only games i remember from my youth were jill of the jungle and the old 2d side scrolling duke nukem
those were my jams
honest canopy
sand egret
1 or 2?
sand egret
actually looking at those colors, that had to been 2 flexing that 256 array
umbral forge
@sick sentinel did you hear about the new Warrior meme?
honest canopy
My cousin worked st a swedish company named Ericsson, they did develop modems and shit, and since we had a computer st my house, he tooke on there
sick sentinel
ravager?
umbral forge
RAVAGER
sick sentinel
I WAS THERE YOU RETARD
honest canopy
Was fun, reading NHL stats was all I could so 🙈
sand egret
like that's new
sick sentinel
I brought it up lmao
sand egret
psssh
honest canopy
Old news jettom
sand egret
that's an age-old meme
astral crystal
oh yeah it was definitely duke nukem 2 @honest canopy @sand egret
sand egret
ol' sprite sheet hookers
honest canopy
next goblet
finally got the mythic champs shield... had a 405 disc of indomitable will
sick sentinel
I was in the same situation with you
honest canopy
Got a 415 indestructable AD shield since Day 1 as warrior
next goblet
i'll be happy because its a 425 but i'll be butthurt because i did mythic champ pugs for no reason
next goblet
groups fall apart after champ
honest canopy
Not sure why you cry over just had a 405 shield then
Not like you need higher If you just raid HC, or raid at all
honest canopy
Totally fine
We all play diff
I just never understood The Hunt for shizzl you dont really need 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Now sleep
next goblet
because i like have the biggest epeen in my guild
coral scroll
exotic spoke
@mortal brook So you’re saying there’s a chance tonight
pale vigil
Hrmm Jes Howler or Vial of Animated Blood? Other trinket is 415 alchemy trinket
sick sentinel
vial
pale vigil
Thanks. It is what I was thinking but wasn't completely sure.
open bluff
when the question is vial, the answer is almost always yes
mortal brook
@exotic spoke nono, im saying all the rng was used up D:
exotic spoke
Aww don’t break my heart. I need to replace my 415 indestructible shield
mortal brook
you cant replace it its indestructible 4head
like trying to buy a new boomerang. cant throw the old one away
exotic spoke
Well, obviously I’d keep it for my full indestructible set. If you don’t take durability loss didyou really ever die?
mortal brook
hey man, i dont run purg on progress for the talent, i run purg to save durability dmg
oblique garnet
Imagine not having leech on every piece of gear
wooden radish
@ionic fern is ravager + leech cap bis?
oblique garnet
Yes
sick sentinel
"Ravager"
oblique garnet
@wooden radish if you run ravager your best bet is avoidance gear trust me its new op
ionic fern
YOu don't need leech cap with Ravager..you dodge all the damage. SO no need to heal.
^ *This is a joke for anyone reading this. Please don't pick Ravager. *
mortal brook
you need avoidance because theres a giant ass axe aoe'ing the area you're trying to stand in
hi thyme!
ionic fern
@wooden radish 
grave marsh
does unstable flames increase parry chance too?
says it gives me ....
Okay that was a dumb question my bad
undone sun
🙃
grave marsh
I thought it said 1% crit chance, it was actually just pure crit rating, so yea It'd give parry chance too
grave marsh
Just gotta find the right guys
lusty grotto
like 7 key level lower aids
the same kind of aids you'd expect in horde 17s
you get in 11s as alliance lmao
just dropped my UR 12
to 10 because people are retarded and also super toxic
on Nimchy 😦
chilly brook
@lusty grotto because all the casuals are on alliance duh
lusty grotto
poor rogue
supple plover
Never expect alliance to do skips correctly. On my alts i do pugs between +10 and +15 and the amount of fails on death runs is depressing. Hell shroud skip fails like half the time because 1 person always fails mounting.
chilly brook
Dude like I said it’s cuz all them casuals
Imagine being alliance after blood elf dominance for basically two expansions in a row for m+
lusty grotto
we dont
lusty grotto
we care about you wearing your highest ilvl
chilly brook
^^^^
thin pivot
no ilvl change 😦
lusty grotto
🤷
thin pivot
third fuckng pair of boots on chest
lusty grotto
heh
chilly brook
In an ideal world I would say get more haste but stats are stats
And they’re so close anyways
lusty grotto
i got bracers again for how many weeks in a row?
chilly brook
Hence why ilvl>all
swift pier
I really hope I get something from the chest tomorrow
People in my guild 421 I’ll
Ilvl*
Feelsbadman
distant crystal
chilly brook
People still playing the game feelsbadman xD
lusty grotto
👉 🚪
swift pier
I mean
lusty grotto
no i meant the leech thing
swift pier
Xd the dragon eats Tyrion
chilly brook
My nightblade is lol
swift pier
Good man
chilly brook
The thing with ESO is that there’s so much to actually do besides dungeons or raids or pvp
torn sleet
Heed my call vs elemental whirl vs lifespeed. Which one is best?
torn sleet
M+ mostly
swift pier
Head
torn sleet
And if it were a raid then which one?
swift pier
Life speed
torn sleet
Thanks
swift pier
Gotchu
Anyways gonna try to get some sleep
Hope the chests don’t disappoint
Gl all on looties
chilly brook
🙏🏻
tepid raptor
lusty grotto
simming is only for dps
you gain both dps and defensiveness via ilvl
so to answer your question i personally don't sim
the only thing i sim if anything are trinkets if i want the highest dps combination
mortal brook
a great many desireable traits are stat based. simming them against each other can give ideas of uptimes for those stats. those stats are good offensively and defensively. so logs can give an idea as a tank but not the full picture
lusty grotto
right but simming =! logs
mortal brook
logs are a much better indication! no amount of ring swapping can account for suboptimal play, yes
thorn fiber
hey guys going to be tanking mythic tonight, just curious but wasnt there a tanking resource webpage per class?
for each boss?
open bluff
thorn fiber
ty couldnt remeber it
open bluff
also block/spell reflect guide in #268491842637660160
viral pewter
which should I go with? I know it's 15 ilvls but how much are BoM and Impassive worth?
sand egret
you answered your question, the ilvl wins
viral pewter
alright ty
sand egret
ilvl > traits when it comes to azerite
brisk ferry
which do you guys think would be better?
lusty grotto
415 for m+
brisk ferry
kk yep M+ only, thanks Nim
lusty grotto
420 for raids though
warm plinth
Um what @lusty grotto? You want him to sacrifice 97 FIRE RESISTANCE for that?
undone sun
97
real thunder
hello all, i was watching a stream and this guy had an addon or weakaure that draws a line between him and a mob if it is casting a spell on him. do you guys know what it is?
spice ferry
undone sun
it's not public
sand egret
I swear this game just really doesn't want me to play my warrior.
dude gets shafted every week in the cache
yet my bear is fucking swimming in upgrades
mortal brook
vdh in guild got a 425 dice
sand egret
damn, nice
mortal brook
socket, avoidance
sand egret
yeah i just got a 410 + socket + leech weapon for my bear
meanwhile my warrior is on his 3rd cloak in a row
mortal brook
legion, my bear got the same pants 14 weeks in a row. didnt matter the loot spec. pants
same pants
new season? same pants
sand egret
I gotta get hip to their "intent" algorithm
apparently the game knows and is just giving me loot to further push my decision...
mortal brook
im 90% its 'the less you log on and do content, the better the item'
sand egret
i dunno...
mortal brook
konrad you care too much. blizz can read your intent. the real 425s go to the LFR heroes
sand egret
yeah, it sounds like you didn't care enough