having a bit of mastery is still good
#protection
sick sentinel
exotic spoke
Oh, so, funny experience yesterday.
I pugged heroic BoD cause I was bored waiting on GoT.
Went in on Grong
We wiped. Eh, whatever no biggie. Then some dps was saying tanks sucked and didn’t know how to do the fight because on a triple bite one tank got two stacks of the bleed
“We should taunt after every bite then it won’t stack”
Obviously I’ve been doing that boss all wrong if that’s the case.... right?
mortal brook
shoulda been dorf. sheesh. get good
tropic wharf
Tell them to tank it
exotic spoke
I just changed to dwarf. But used it earlier on a triple bite lol
Leader kicked them. Since they actually knew the fight
And the dps also where shocked when I said a second crush isn’t much damage.
lime mantle
Honestly when that happens I just taunt shield wall sd and hope
sick sentinel
you can solo tank hc grong tho
lime mantle
Then die because healers straight up refuse to heal because they are used to Bdk and Paladin. Then say I randomly use SW lel.
I mean on mythic sorry.
exotic spoke
SB / IP is enough to survive a second crush in mythic - for me
I want to try taking 3 in mythic but they won’t let me
oblique garnet
yeah
mortal brook
add in reflecting the grip dmg and you're golden 😄
oblique garnet
the 2x smash on mythic wont drop you below 50% with sb up
willow scarab
I have never tried but like... i'm shocked?
willow scarab
350k damage x 500% is mitigated to wet noodle damage from just regular AM?
i am shocked
exotic spoke
Yeah - block is OP OP
exotic spoke
I have a 415 shield with BfI, and IF
willow scarab
is there a log of this
exotic spoke
Of the one stack of crush?
oblique garnet
yes
mortal brook
minus armor. minus vers. minus block/crit block. minus ip/trinkets.,
oblique garnet
exotic spoke
Mine didn’t have SB up but I had avatar so still blocked it
Off tank fucked a taunt
exotic spoke
Up to 85% mitigation max
exotic spoke
It doubles your block mitigation up to 85%
willow scarab
not good enough
exotic spoke
Throw in armor mitigation. Throw in IP, and yeah... it’ll be a joke
Also; what kaege said.
Cause that seems really high
willow scarab
It still says 50.16
exotic spoke
So no extra block value?
willow scarab
correct
should it have recalculated to like 35% or somethign
I've never looked at my block values I just... know how block works
exotic spoke
You should be at 42.8 for m+ 38.1% for heroic bod and 35.7% for mythic bod
willow scarab
I saw the K values spread and figured numbers similar to that
I was ready for my character pane to recalculate after what Kaege said is all
exotic spoke
2 If brings mythic up to almost 39%
So yeah - any thoughts on buying random ones versus saving for next season?
willow scarab
I was saving, had 4k and got a helm because other than that I had perfect azerite
Got perfect helm so now i'm saving, I think even if I didn't I would have kept saving
strong forum
I just kept buying azerite like a motherfucker spending over 10k on that shit at this point
exotic spoke
I bought a specific piece so I could have double IF a couple weeks ago. Just not sure if it’s worth saving or not
willow scarab
Doing a 20 each week means you'll have barely enough for a 445 item on 8.2 launch
strong forum
You'll need 17k atleast
exotic spoke
Yeah, I think I’ll save then
willow scarab
Current popular date is july 2nd
which give you like what 6-7k TR if you do a 20 each week
strong forum
So you can get ahead by 1 week in the best case
willow scarab
- whatever you scrap
exotic spoke
Buying 445 off the bat is kinda nice
strong forum
It's 1 week lead, nothing more
willow scarab
I'm at 4.5k atm so +6k from farming until patch drop + 3k from DEing my current azerite
Still short
strong forum
I have like 3k TR in form of azerite in bags at this point
willow scarab
So really if you're not already saving you're too late
exotic spoke
Whatever I have +8k (just under) from doing at least a 20 each week. + scrapping 415s from BoD play scrapping whatever else
willow scarab
You're in the best place out of all of us then
exotic spoke
I’ll be close to buying one when it comes out. I think I have 4K -5k now
willow scarab
I would save as much as possbile because if it's 19k and we all saved 17k like chumps then you win
oblique garnet
how much is one 445?
strong forum
17-20k
willow scarab
unconfirmed but popular number is 17k
strong forum
It's 10x of current + a bit
oblique garnet
so i might get enough for 2
willow scarab
how do you have 35k azerite
strong forum
Powerful
oblique garnet
havent needed to reroll at all and played alot?
willow scarab
What's gonna be graet
Is when 8,2 drops and we roll the same dog shit items we rolled on 8.1.5
strong forum
But with 1 more Ring
strong forum
Insanely worth
willow scarab
but it still hurts
exotic spoke
I had to buy 1 specific piece to get a second IF. Otherwise the randoms where fine
strong forum
🤷
sand egret
are they adding another ring?
strong forum
AFAIK yes
willow scarab
yeah they are
sand egret
so 3 big traits per item?
strong forum
Every tier of azerite gets a new ring
willow scarab
so when you cut the item in half you can see how old the xpac is
exotic spoke
Outer ring). Holy fuck
strong forum
Yes
exotic spoke
Holy shit that’s crazy
strong forum
You get 9 class traits
willow scarab
how could you get 6 bom
sand egret
so 3x DC 3xBoM 3x MS
willow scarab
that would be 6 azerite items
strong forum
I doubt you'll get twice on the same piece
oblique garnet
if they will be 9 class traits
strong forum
And in 8. 3 we'll have 4 class rings
sand egret
has this confirmed...
exotic spoke
3 BoM, 3 Dc, 3 If.
sand egret
been*
willow scarab
I read it in prot discord so it's fact
exotic spoke
More aoe damage
willow scarab
I will treat this as confirmed
strong forum
Its literally been said by ion that they will continue the trend of adding more rings
sand egret
when
willow scarab
Maybe they jump to 5 rings for 8.3 to give us nice power creep for strong players
strong forum
Idk couple months back
willow scarab
or alternative: every azerite item gives you every azerite trait
so you end up with 3x every trait available
strong forum
That's boring
willow scarab
me strong
sand egret
more rings would change the AP requirements, something they confirmed they aren't increasing
willow scarab
warrior smash
strong forum
There aren't ap requirements
sand egret
so this would just be "extra" ring
exotic spoke
Oh grats man
sand egret
still seems weird, but i mean more shit is welcome
willow scarab
Feelsbad getting it this close to 8.2
strong forum
They are getting rid of ap requirements for armor, are you living under a rock @sand egret
willow scarab
The only eye I've had this entire tier was 425 about 6 weeks ago
sand egret
that is what I said, yes
strong forum
From 8.2 on, you will have all traits unlocked
exotic spoke
The extra ring of primary traits seems fucking OP for certain classes
strong forum
And just farm ap for your titan essences
exotic spoke
And meh for others
exotic spoke
The exact examples that came to mind
strong forum
60%
willow scarab
maybe i press my buttons differntly to you
exotic spoke
It’s already ~40% fumeyio
strong forum
I haven't been on ptr but that's been the proclaimed numbers, on live it's 40% ye
exotic spoke
20 seconds up about of 45-50 cd
strong forum
If you don't have 40% on live you're doing something very wrong :D
strong forum
Well dungeon is somewhat different
sand egret
👏 stealth 👏 nerf 👏 ???
worthy dagger
you dont generate as much rage as you do during m+s
that means your burn less rage, AM has a lesser effect, etc
willow scarab
That I understand
What I don't understand is why my uptime is 30.8% on Jaina
Or why I only used 8 in 8:28 fight
I also just found out I'm 7 allstar points off being on top 10 world
that's kinda cool
exotic spoke
There’s down time on Jaina isn’t there?
willow scarab
ish
But not really
If you do 1st avalanche in P2 you have to hold it but i don't think that counts for this much
exotic spoke
Haven’t done mythic? But in heroic running out the ice rebuff, time spent running out in the ocean, etc
How much do you intervene?
willow scarab
As often as possible for maximum boss uptime
In a 30s shorter kill Boost used it 8 times as well
Food for my own thought I guess
Other warrior used it 9 times in a 10 second longer fight
exotic spoke
Question - why not use it on CD?
willow scarab
It's up straight out of transition and I have to run avalanche 10s later
exotic spoke
Well, one charge to your OT on CD and leaving the other one up
That way you could intervene back after avalanche?
willow scarab
i charge my escort on the way out and charge the ordnance on the way back in
or something similar
I don't understand what Boost does to smash everyone elses logs by so much every single fight
because it's more than just cheese
sick sentinel
i can't find anything at all to confirm that were getting another ring of traits with 8.2
we're not
last mason
Anybody have a super simple avatar cd wa
Wago doesn’t have any
And my set of WAs has everything but that for some reason
sick sentinel
I have weep's wa
neon tangle
@last mason It's pretty easy to make one that just shows a CD
last mason
I don’t really know how
That’s why I asked in case anyone just had one on hand they could just dm me real quick
honest canopy
For SW
desert gust
is the skyhold.gg site better than icyveins for all warrior specs?
desert gust
OK, thanks!
lusty grotto
RF is reckless flurry yes
sick sentinel
supposedly its one of the better, if not best ST trait to stack with BfI
honest canopy
@sick sentinel I know The DS uptime is gucci but i was thinking there aint really and dmg going on at SW
I was on The DK today and my sides dps was shocking
We are swsppiing some for weds
If I get some more brains i dont have to lead, i can do more dipps
I am on boss all The time at p2
lusty grotto
its only good if you need to push ST and to of course cheese parses
to get higher rankings etc
exotic spoke
Next week - gore crusted butcher block is our friend right?
lusty grotto
😄
lusty grotto
ive been swapping between rezan/anchor paired with block
unborn island
I look forward to my TD key
exotic spoke
Obviously, just trying to get the best trinket combo
lusty grotto
knot + block :p
unborn island
so I can just smuch my sanguine everywhere
exotic spoke
Have 410 in a couple - pretty sure gore crusted is one of them - though it could be knot - and diamond
exotic spoke
Thinking block / knot if I have both at 410+ and I think I do
lusty grotto
what lvl key
exotic spoke
Do you need survivability or no?
lusty grotto
^
exotic spoke
It comes down to what you think you need. If you and your healer are confident in keeping you alive without IF then take more DC
If you’re not then take If
lusty grotto
yup
neon tangle
@last mason what are your other options besides for the 2x DC anyhow?
exotic spoke
Personally, I’m happy it’s time to start swapping for more dps.
last mason
@neon tangle the main piece in question is the champs chest
lusty grotto
i use IF for anything higher than 15
honest canopy
If owns
lusty grotto
if 10 to 14...or lower i go DC
honest canopy
Tomorrow we Will talk about tis again with sleepy 2.0
lusty grotto
not that i run those a lot anymore but yeah
honest canopy
I do 1 a week
neon tangle
@last mason You have 2 DCs on your other slots, what are your options there?
exotic spoke
Nim, what do you think about idol this week - given I’m now DiD. Every other idol I can use did and then idol for ~ 150k
neon tangle
Lots of stuff does more damage than 2nd and 3rd DC
exotic spoke
If was one of the options
exotic spoke
I recommend IF to pull bigger. Get comfortable pulling bigger. Swap to DC and continue with pull sizes the same way
honest canopy
Question is
Do you enjoy beeing an unstoppable force that smashes and clappa shit into fkn mauled pices?
Get If
exotic spoke
Why not both?
neon tangle
@exotic spoke Right, but, he might have two pieces that he's choosing DC over like, treacherous covenant, blightborne, etc
DC is near the top for dps, but 2nd/3rd stacks are less valuable
oblique garnet
dont think theres any pieces with 3x Bom + blightborne at 415
neon tangle
DC might be the right option for the chest, it might be the wrong option for the other 2 slots
last mason
well im using the engi head as well until i can get a better poece
piece
so i take dc on that
exotic spoke
@honest canopy Nod all the way - fuck the GDI
neon tangle
@last mason shoulders?
neon tangle
once you're comfy tradewinds maybe not a bad choice instead of IF
oblique garnet
tradewinds is meh
storm marlin
hey guys what WA do you use usually? I just changed to Prot and every tip is useful
exotic spoke
It’s about 150k
I don’t use WA sischo
So I can’t help with specifics
However, I believe there is a list of WAs in the FAQ or pins
zinc spoke
I have enough residuum to buy 1 of the 415 random pieces, not sure whether tor replace chest or shoulders - anyone willing to give me input? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/kilrogg/eaboc
little ravine
how are you supposed to pull both of the 2 constructs together before they start channeling in KR before the 2nd boss? I think we're doing something wrong
outer dew
@zinc spoke shoulders if you want to hunt for bastion. Chest If you want raw stats
sand egret
eyyy, randomly decided to solo heroic ToV....and the transmog set dropped off Helya
wordddd
mortal brook
eyyy
sand egret
also found out I can easily farm the LFR one solo now too
onyx trout
is the servant splitter bad for prot?
sand egret
bad as in, the proc isnt good
but hte damage is damage
(weapon damage, that is)
so at equal ilvl take another weapon
if it's your highest ilvl, use it
onyx trout
would i be better off with a 385 adulation enforcer or a 400 servant splitter?
onyx trout
gotcha wasnt sure if losing stats would be that bad or not
sand egret
the weapon damage you get from the weapon due to ilvl is the most important part of the weapon
and both have main stat/stam, so it's really a matter of 2ndaries. In that case weapon dps > 2ndary stats
onyx trout
oh ok fair enough thank you
sand egret
np
ornate wagon
I used servant splitter until grong dropped the mace
honest canopy
@sand egret old
I got all 3 versions. The dsrk bworn/blue is The Bis tho
Wich one you got?
Have 2x cloth and 2x mail ones to. The mail one is quite decent, green/Grey. Gold one looks meh
sand egret
just got the heroic one, working on the light blue LFR one. I'm not too impressed by the no-longer-attainable mythic one, so overall i'm just going to grind out all 3. Almost done with the quest to get the normal one as well
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Stop stealing all my customers smh
sick sentinel
man
for last 10 mins people asked and no one bought
i even lowered my key for this
@oblique garnet gimme 20k so i dont steal your customers :)(:
sick sentinel
I just got accepted into oblivion
same 😦
i have 60k i need money for pots started raiding again
oblique garnet
yeah they declined me when i applied last time due to having too many people already
sick sentinel
same
i got declined from oblivion
also from gallywix 😦
no love for leech users 😄
well I did not get accepted
but like
a guy who is in
wanted me as a leader
and I got in like that
yeah they have so many boosters on horde EU side
plush pagoda
what azerite powers are gonna be solid in 8.2
sick sentinel
same ones
plush pagoda
i mean minor/major powers
plush pagoda
truth
sick sentinel
they are going to be changed like a million times
bold marten
I just read that our AE-DPS will still be the best in 8.2 (but not by far), but we will get beaten by every class (except BDK) in ST-DPS. Do we have players here which have done some testing on ptr to comment this?
sick sentinel
our ST dps is pretty good tbh 🤷
spice ferry
there is no point doing any serious testing on ptr because its ptr and will be guaranteed to change
limpid pawn
hey yall
i have a question about M+ king's rest
everyone in the pugs insists on invis'ing past the first group right off the bat
all the way to the gong. I get it - but if we wipe or someone dies later on
spice ferry
if you wipe
limpid pawn
is the second graveyard only available after we defeat the council boss?
sick sentinel
you can still take the taxi
limpid pawn
like each time someone dies, that's one more invis pot we need to get back to where we are?
limpid pawn
what about those golems and whatnot
deft narwhal
hi, i've a question that probably was asked multiply times but i cannot find it anywhere: I cannot wrap myself around idea that Overwhelming Power is A tier trait for prot, how that's possible if u r hit a lot - wouldnt that make it lose all the stack almost instantly if you tank few mobs or it does some hidden icd before it allows to next stack be removed?
zinc spoke
i would trust the math
undone sun
1s icd on dropping stacks
zinc spoke
there's a spreadsheet with maths in pins somewhere
spice ferry
if only the game put information like this on the tooltip
deft narwhal
ok, thx for info, was not aware of that 1s ICD and will look for that spreadsheet
primal sable
sick sentinel
Lmao
shadow timber
are there any addons that help a new m+ tank with routes and stuff
mortal brook
method dungeon tools. has route planning, and can share routes as well
oblique garnet
Doesnt really help for actual tanking
Just in general dungeon weakaura package
And shieldblock tracker made by Marok and IP tracker
potent anvil
423 equipped 
only need to replace 1 415 now
oblique garnet
Yeah
Theres one guy
From argent dawn eu
Thats actually higher?!
Fucking rp dudes
potent anvil
i lost a roll on a 420 shield, but that shouldnt be enough. i think its pretty much being almost full 425s
oblique garnet
I have 410 weapon
Ive had that weapon
For so long
And i cant seem to be able to get better one
willow scarab
The only slots that I don’t have at 425 are the only slots my BrM has at 425 and it’s mad tilting
sick sentinel
Farm grong my dude
willow scarab
Been 419.88 for like... a month
sick sentinel
Farm harder
sick sentinel
405*
And I was not farming
I was benched on jaina
Going in for like 10 pulls a week
So I couldn't farm mythic champs
sick sentinel
Also farming grong and conclave is easier than farming champs and stormwall
I got my first stormwall kill today
cinder fjord
Probably a super noob question - As a new ish (385) prot warr I have blockades and a 375 ancient tuskarr sea charm - Is the charm better in most scenarios than blockades?
sick sentinel
What's your other trinket
cinder fjord
385 prism
cinder fjord
Gotcha - If I'm playing well I shouldn't need the stam from blockades, yeah?
sick sentinel
Yeah
sick sentinel
F
charred vigil
how's prot looking on ptr so far? any changes that are significant yet?
undone sun
no
astral crystal
this tbh ^
vdh and bear will reign supreme
reroll now if you want to stand a chance
undone sun
just dont look at the essences 🙃
barren marsh
undone sun
just get a sandwich
undone sun
for forever
warm plinth
If you kill Runecarver, how do you handle him on bolstering week? Just do your best to ST him down or would it make sense to have someone drag him away while you nuke initiates or what? My group likely won't even try to skip him even if I ask them to so
oblique garnet
Tank takes the initiates
I mean rune carver
And dps takes the initiates to previous room
Runecarver wont do carve flesh on tank
For some reason
And even if he does tank can reflect it
oblique garnet
🤔
warm plinth
Don't you 🤔 me sir
undone sun
warm plinth
I don't even know what the fuck I'm saying apparently. So tired.
exotic spoke
oblique garnet
@warm plinth 🤔
open bluff
🤔
warm plinth
🤔
urban briar
u guys still thinking?
oblique garnet
Oh i thought @warm plinth answered you already
@urban briar what other trinkets you have
warm plinth
I answered poorly because I'm exhausted, so I deleted it. You answer him 😅
urban briar
410 block, 410 idol of new raid, 400rezans socket 400 jes howler 400 vial 400 everchill anchor socket 400 diamond
oblique garnet
@urban briar just use 410 block and either everchill and rezans
urban briar
seductive power any good? or take iron fortress?
warm plinth
Seductive Power can spawn like 20 yards away; it's bad
sick sentinel
i'd prefer if over sp..... i dont like the moving aspect of sp at least in m+ as bwonsamdi sometimes stays in shit ( sanguine, etc. )
ionic fern
I'd still keep IF.
warm plinth
Mainly because it's super hard to maintain stacks in a realistic setting
round vortex
I am pretty lucky atm with traits.
1x DC, 2x BFI, 1x BoM, 1x IF and 1x BS
Got all the good ones with plenty of resounding and improved rally in the bank 😃
full spruce
Finalllly got a 425 upgrade today on warrior. Get to finally do a reclear and hopefully jaina kill this week. It’s been a long 4 weeks of no raiding
round vortex
niiiiiiiice !
full spruce
So quiet.
lime mantle
Say the magic word and it’d get revived
Also I’ve told patch is at the end of the month, what de@fug?
full spruce
Usually mwah and kaege are chirping back and forth
umbral forge
When you set your key up and a 4 stack of russians joins 😄
ionic fern
👌
umbral forge
I love russians
neat crypt
The mother country
ionic fern
What?
umbral forge
I no longer like Russians.
mortal carbon
ahahaha
undone sun
🤣
umbral forge
I think a more fair statement would be that i do not like my luck
getting a Boralus key
ionic fern
My experience is that they either are godlike players or they fail miserabely at everything.
No in-betweeners so far.
:/
@mortal carbon
Regarding WA's.
Go to the #ui-addons-manager and click the first pin.
Out of that list i'd advice you to get:
Auto Marker
Externals on Me
Interrupt Tracker
Party CD Tracker
umbral forge
don't help him hes german
ionic fern
I'll help anyone. 🤷
mortal carbon
racist bich
mortal carbon
racism is fine :smug:?
full spruce
So Russians are like playing with ragnaros players in NA huh?
ionic fern
Is Ragnaros really that bad?
I've heard stories.
undone sun
yes
mostly
Rag and QT are the big ones
pulled a really good DK out of rag early HFC
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lime mantle
Russians suffer from an extended Balmer peak
If either they are too drunk they play like shit
If they are not drunk enough they play like suit
If they are exactly as drunk as they must be they become reality altering god’s who read the boss ability damage before it happens down to the decimal and will drop to 2HP and skyrocket again without issue
sand condor
when jettom doesnt ask you to tank his keys ):
mortal carbon
@ionic fern ty for your help
marble cipher
@lime mantle I like that, a lot, stolen as a quote 😉
lime mantle
@sand condor when nobody asks you to tank their keys ;-;
sand condor
;-;
sick sentinel
@umbral forge But you are one
umbral forge
what
sick sentinel
a bish
sick sentinel
"I'm not racist"
umbral forge
am not
sick sentinel
"but"
lime mantle
If loathing Germans in WoW is racism, I’ll make Jim Crow look like a BITCH.
sick sentinel
(And russians)
ionic fern
Yes.
Haste is never wasted on a warrior even if it's RNG proc based.
Especially compared to something like a tiny % of leech.
stoic pilot
Deadly nav is crit
stoic pilot
It’s ok it’s early
ionic fern
I got too used to answering to people when the leech discussion was on point here and then it was always Quick navi vs Siphoning. 😂
stoic pilot
Yeah I can understand that lol
full spruce
But come on leech annnd never surrender!
lime mantle
Quick v deadly v siphoning
sick sentinel
siphoning is out of the question
orchid token
worthy dagger
60% uptime of masterful instinctics on ptr for guardian bear, if you have the correct traits you can have 2200 mastery on guardian pretty much all the time, bear is the new meta bye prot
brisk ferry
yeah do this, go reroll bear ^
worthy dagger
i was being sarcastic, im a main prot
lmao
its to scare away the new people
im also a leech prot
lime mantle
Remove frenzy from gcd
umbral forge
if you'rre not a leech prot you're just trolling at this point
versed widget
Is bonded souls good for m+?
sick sentinel
not that good
marble oak
How good is sirens tongue as a tanking defensive trinket?
I imagine it procs more in aoe
umbral forge
Hanayama is a total bamf. I wish warriors had a brawler specc.
drowsy relic
quick navigation is an option?
i thought it was literally deadly vs siphoning
youre trolling if youre enchanting haste lol
for M+ atleast
ionic fern
🤔
ionic fern
Legit first time hearing about it..so it's probably some World trinket?
steel mauve
Probably not very, idk the math nor have heard of it so i would assume its not on the radar
Chance on heal is pretty bad considering it can easily overheal
Or proc at the most worthless times
drowsy relic
@ionic fern for M+ crit is technically better offensively and defensively
ionic fern
Looks pretty bad.
Should be easily replaced by anything else due to higher ilvl being available.
steel mauve
Best prot lego were gloves, and near the end bracers were easily replaced as they were 80% over healing
ionic fern
@drowsy relic - Sure, not arguing with that - crit IS good. But so is haste + it's more versitile when it comes to raiding as well etc.
If you wanna roll around with a crit enchant on your weapon go ham but don't come here stating that people are "trolling if you're enchanting haste".
steel mauve
Personal preference doesnt equal fact...
Or i guess opinion not preference for that matter
brisk ferry
I'm also not sure where he's getting crit being better offensively in M+, at 1600 haste it's still almost double the following stat weight when simmed.
ionic fern
Stat weights depend on your current stats tho.
brisk ferry
right but 1600 is a ton of haste, and it still wants more lol
sick sentinel
@drowsy relic you unironically were using ravager in necrotic weeks and going siphoning
in the TR because the #1 prot warrior in raider io was using siphoning
I'm sorry but I can't take you your opinions seriously
drowsy relic
ravager is literally the best talent, im probably gonna push again next week with ravager lol
for necrotic
ionic fern
Oh no ..
brisk ferry
what in the misinformed world
brittle owl
again, what is the use case
autumn pendant
🤔
brittle owl
cause there is a range where it doesnt matter what you pick
keys will get finished in time
wooden radish
ravager is bis memes poggers
autumn pendant
brisk ferry
brittle owl
so what exactly
autumn pendant
Ravager is big meme indeed
brittle owl
are you pushing
is it the limit of memes?
because sorry to say but ravager won't make you LeSs hEaLeR ReLiAnT
you need leech/vers for that
drowsy relic
no its for necrotic stacks
steel mauve
@brisk ferry technically this expansion almost always the more of a stat you have the more you want, im willing to say if you have 1600 crit instead chances are stat weights would then tell you that you needed even more crit instead of haste
wooden radish
imagine thinking taking ravager is ever better than taking anger management
200 iq plays
wooden radish
make me 😉
brittle owl
i will make you a pie
drowsy relic
i said its better than am for necrotic weeks
autumn pendant
Not even for necro weeks
drowsy relic
you can argue about 15s in time all you want lol
people ran ravager in 20s during necro week 3 months ago as well lol
i dont really push keys thse days but Im keen to push this week on necro just to show you guys what youre doing wrong lol
autumn pendant
🍿
brittle owl
was gonna argue but lmao, i wanna be here next week
for the lesson
imagine having a prot warrior tank your key
autumn pendant
Isnt ravager doing less dmg in ST than revenge?
brittle owl
and he does brewmaster damage
autumn pendant
I mean, you have leap and slow
To deal with necro
And you are shooting yourself in the knee if you take ravager
wooden radish
more like, shooting yourself in the head
brisk ferry
@steel mauve hey sorry just saw ur msg, I didn't know that. Interesting. Thanks for the info!
autumn pendant
Consistent survivability + big dmg
brittle owl
nah dude you're memeing obviously
autumn pendant
Vs poop dmg and once in a while parry just for packs
autumn pendant
Okay, enough banter about it
brittle owl
maybe he'll even do a 20 who knows
glacial plover
and i'm sitting here feeling bad about myself not clearing +13 in time ... 😄
autumn pendant
You have no reason to feel bad
brittle owl
yeah
brittle owl
self awareness is the first step towards improving
rest is just practice
and common sense
drowsy relic
yeah but I understand my gear/talent setup which is why I know how to use it in M+
brittle owl
clearly not
autumn pendant
@glacial plover you would be suprised but big % of player base doesnt even do beyond +10
brittle owl
seeing as you set up your talents to deal with a non existant affix
for warriors
for most tanks, actually
that you can deal with no problem with your base kit
sick sentinel
@drowsy relic weren't you dying on tr on wcm?
autumn pendant
🤔
brittle owl
aw man gimping yourself for necrotic is something i would never think to see
umbral forge
TR?
drowsy relic
@sick sentinel and crit saved me
its the best stat
i literally played the same and ran crit instead
brisk ferry
wait you're solo'ing these?
sick sentinel
Tournament realm
brisk ferry
OP
sick sentinel
Nobody argues against haste/crit build
drowsy relic
we managed to time the WM on tr
sick sentinel
We're arguing against ravager
worthy dagger
not that its bad, AM is just so much better
eager hollow
You just kite with high necrotic stacks or
timid jay
Ohman
steel mauve
No lans, ravager is outright bad, the damage from it is abysmal and you shouldnt need the parry, because if you're that desperate we have tools to literally keep things from hitting us
drowsy relic
yeah im pushing 70% parry for 12 seconds every 1 min
sick sentinel
but still not dropping stacks
eager hollow
With 6k DPS or
brittle owl
like i said
worthy dagger
or you could have AM and have almost a minute of block
brittle owl
imagine being a sword n board chad
sick sentinel
you would do more damage while kiting but using AM
brittle owl
but limp dick dps
sick sentinel
than facetaking with ravager
brittle owl
you'd think that would be pretty obvious after tanking 2 or 3 dungeons on necrotic
after 5 you realise it's a non existant affix
mortal carbon
yikes
timid jay
Is that a crit trinket?
brittle owl
the plays
sick sentinel
yeah
ionic fern
Aaand i'm home.
sick sentinel
1min cd crit trinket
eager hollow
What's your overall dam like with that
sick sentinel
@ionic fern enjoy the chat
eager hollow
🤔
sick sentinel
it's amazing
brittle owl
15k probably
timid jay
Tbf, if you go for parry stacking it with crit is probably a good idea
ionic fern
I'm sorry but if you're thinking Ravager is a good option on ANY week you are just playing the class wrong or not utilizing all the things that a m+ team brings.
timid jay
Since ravager is additive
worthy dagger
so lets talk about CR build
timid jay
Not saying its a good plan overall, but if you do it thats definitely the way to go
brittle owl
that's like saying
sick sentinel
yeah, if I could get to 65% crit then I would run ravager to hit 100% Kappa
brittle owl
if you're gonna eat rotten leftovers, might as well use a dirty plate
brisk ferry
I mean, don't put rotten leftovers on my clean plates
mystic whale
what's this reckless fury meme I've been seeing around ? If there some real value to it ? Devastator-style ?
sick sentinel
@mystic whale pure ST dps yeah
brisk ferry
for parsing raids
worthy dagger
memeing raids*
brisk ferry
^
final mist
There’s literally no reason to ever run Ravager, ever.
brittle owl
there comes a point where survival is the meme, in raids
final mist
If you do, you’re delusional.
mystic whale
ah ok, that's what I thought, but just wanted to be sure that it wasnt the new hot thing
brittle owl
so you just go damage
brisk ferry
brittle owl
you guys don't understand
mystic whale
what about that sweet parry ?
final mist
The only meme here is people who think Ravager is a good talent.
brittle owl
@drowsy relic will show all of you
timid jay
Ravager has been a meme for ages
brittle owl
next week
mystic whale
PARRY AND AOE DAMAGE
sick sentinel
50% party 🎉
mystic whale
what more could you want
brittle owl
when he's r1 ravager warrior
final mist
Ah yes, I too enjoy having my 100 talent doing less than a Revenge over 6 seconds.
sick sentinel
more than a revenge's worth of damage
brittle owl
think of the parry tho
sick sentinel
run 3 GS as well
ionic fern
Oof, look at @final mist giving Protection the monthly blue visit. Right on time tho.
timid jay
6k str is a lot of parry mate
mystic whale
but but... AOE
final mist
If I had the ability to use external emotes, I’d tip my hat to you @ionic fern
mystic whale
also, think of all the sick parries
sick sentinel
wait not even valkyr can use global emotes
final mist
Nope
brittle owl
he probably just wants to push his own emote agenda
sick sentinel
@worthy dagger bfi for raids and meticulous for mplus
worthy dagger
im gonna stack 3 MS
sick sentinel
MS got buffed, I get like 35-40% uptime in mplus
worthy dagger
for 2500 haste
brisk ferry
meticulous has been great in my M+ runs
ionic fern
Improvise..Adapt..overcome @final mist
ionic fern
sick sentinel
ionic fern
I don't care about the first 2..as long as it has emotes. 😄
autumn pendant
When half of ranks in skyhold tell you ravager is bad every week
steel mauve
I mean, i all for "you do you" but you should never come in here with fundamentally wrong opinions and spout them as fact, new players may happen to just come in that day, glance at it and then figure they may be right
autumn pendant
Lul
exotic spoke
Oh shit son. Are we rioting?
ionic fern
No, we are uniting.
brisk ferry
Riki you're late to the party
ionic fern
Against Ravager.
near ivy
need to split up for clues
exotic spoke
Burn ravager to the ground!
autumn pendant
@drowsy relic ravager promoter
near ivy
maybe we can find this guys brain cells faster if we split up
exotic spoke
And yeah, I just woke up an hour ago and got to work
autumn pendant
👋
exotic spoke
glacial plover
This conversation.... laughs and giggles for everyone 😄
autumn pendant
Oh my
brittle owl
i like how
brittle owl
prot warrior is better than the other 2
exotic spoke
Correlation is not causation
brittle owl
literally a dps loss
sick sentinel
bringing up logs for mplus is not a valid arguement tbh
timid jay
Well it does show something
final mist
“It’s not me, it’s the mods who are wrong!”
exotic spoke
Lol
final mist
The problem with people is they like to see things
exotic spoke
Mods and plebs are natural enemies.
Like mods and mods... mods and streamers.... mods and strangers
final mist
You don’t see any direct impact from AM because most people are monkeys and somehow manage to not hit shit on CD
autumn pendant
Or mods and mods
sick sentinel
or they stay ragecapped
autumn pendant
Damn mods
final mist
And then they try Ravager and see all these big dammies and parties and are like
“Wow this is so good”
Like lmao nah fam, you just suck
sick sentinel
they look at the 🎉 s
drowsy relic
you dont need to use stuff on cd in M+
brittle owl
i am screencapping that
timid jay
Well then you arent pulling big enough
final mist
^
timid jay
Or not planning your pulls well enough
brittle owl
pls you need a meme channel
brisk ferry
wait where's @lusty grotto quote of the day here
brittle owl
and put
ionic fern
There's still time.
brittle owl
"You don't use stuff on cd in m+" as the first entry
sick sentinel
@lusty grotto add this to your folder
brittle owl
gold
brisk ferry
yeh sorry I tagged wrong person
autumn pendant
Damn
brittle owl
that's what the faq is for
autumn pendant
Sticks away boys
brittle owl
in regards to ravager at least
sick sentinel
dude has been here for more than a year sal
final mist
I’m the only one allowed to bully all of you 
timid jay
What you gain by picking ravager is parry and insignificant damage. What you lose is a big amount of damage due to demo and avatar cooldowns being a lot longer, not to mention all the defensives that you'll get way more free access to
wooden radish
sick sentinel
he never learns
autumn pendant
@timid jay i think he knows that
timid jay
So the question then becomes if the parry you gain is enough to offset the massive amount of damage loss and defensive CD loss
autumn pendant
He just fundementally thinks avoidign necro is legit strat
final mist
Cosmo was speaking to Ravager Man, not me
wooden radish
@timid jay but but but parrying necrotic kappa
autumn pendant
@final mist i know
final mist
It’s always serious when Ravager is taken seriously
near ivy
for this whole conversation ive been thinking AM only reduces the cd of avatar and still thought going ravager was stupid
final mist
It’s always a joke otherwise
timid jay
If your parry starts reaching 50%+ or so before parry I could see it actually being somewhat legit for only necrotic weeks only because its additive parry
autumn pendant
I judge
timid jay
But thats even without thinking about the damage loss
sick sentinel
why are both the birds in #protection
near ivy
autumn pendant
Im actually always in prot
timid jay
With the amount of damage you can pump out with AM its a massive loss in m+, damage matters a lot in m+
autumn pendant
You just never see me
near ivy
mobs dont give you necrotic stacks when they are dead
sick sentinel
Tell that to all 80 Necrotic Stacks :>
autumn pendant
Whole talent tree works together with AM
near ivy
at 80 + necrotic stacks the ravager parry isnt going to help
sick sentinel
I can't kite. Gotta slap some more. That DMG
near ivy
even with the extra parry you would still have so many stacks that you get 0% healing anyway
autumn pendant
@near ivy 4head just kill them before they kill you
near ivy
@autumn pendant shame you couldnt do that to mythic opulence 🤷
brittle owl
the moment you start autistically thinking about "uUUUUUhhhhh what should i pick for nEcRoTiC"
sick sentinel
with crackling thunder you can thunderclap our of melee range
brittle owl
you really should just reroll to a diff role
autumn pendant
Thats low, bird
autumn pendant
😡
brisk ferry
I know stats are mostly a meme but in this case, is having literally zero vers a problem?
wooden radish
no
stoic forge
out off topic ... what is your greatest spell reflect ?
brisk ferry
okay just wondering
near ivy
is there something special about having 2% vers that would magically change your gameplay from 0% vers
strong forum
3% vers here, ama
brisk ferry
0% vers here, but ask that guy questions ^
strong forum
Greatest spell reflect would have to be ghuun
steel mauve
Basically as long as you have stats you're good
strong forum
This ^
sick sentinel
@stoic forge I never got to do the SR on ghuun but I did a double reflect on first boss on +21 underrot
wooden radish
relevant ilvl is the only thing that matters for tanks.
sick sentinel
half a mil damage on both boss and add
strong forum
That's also joocy
stoic forge
@sick sentinel jucy
brisk ferry
okay, my thought was just if you gain some sort of "stat boost" and it is looking at add to a zero stat, would I be better off having "some"?
strong forum
There's no increase or decrease in value in stats at point X