there are plenty of very good players that stream
#protection
sick sentinel
signal plover
Iom must have gotten sick of fire ballistas and blind icefall
finite bolt
anybody looked at new kneck essence things and think wat would be good?
zinc spoke
Any you’d recommend that play prot?
worthy dagger
i was gearing my guardian
then i saw the guardians neck
and now i retired my guardian
who cares about survival instincts proc
wary gyro
The only thing guardian has going for it is not being vdh
sick sentinel
@worthy dagger lucid dreams tho
exotic spoke
@zinc spoke I don’t. My rdruid does from time to time. Mainly raids, but recently m+ so we can review afterwards.
Yeah, Lans, perfection looks good doesn’t it
zinc spoke
oh ok, I thought I saw nimchimp say something about how he was watching
misunderstood
I'm learning the new dungeons this expansion and looking for people to pick up routes/tips/etc from
(new to me)
exotic spoke
Yeah he was creeping on us Tuesday - mocked me when I got fucking rocked and had to lay the fuck down
peak nest
Hello, is there any specific place in the discord where it is said how do prot warriors deal with casters? Idk how to deal with the amount of dmg they deal. (I'm new to the class and spec)
lusty grotto
make sure demo shout is down
interrupt
spell reflect
im pretty sure this is all explained in the icy veins guide
lusty grotto
i kind of got that he is zoomed into a part of it
peak nest
I used to play paladin so I guess the lack of "long range" interrupt is just making it awkward for me, thank you
lusty grotto
for streaming purposes
zinc spoke
you have good mobility options to get in range
lusty grotto
but whatever works for him riki 😃
exotic spoke
If you think it’s an issue you can take storm bolt for a ranged stun.
I personally prefer rumbling earth or whatever it’s called that makes shockwave CD shorter if it hits 3
Yeah pretty much
peak nest
Alright, thank you
astral crystal
you guys see the jaina nerfs?
EJ is like 100 wipes in
ion called in the nerfnukes
what a fucking joke
undone sun
expected
astral crystal
of course
but no less insulting
shit like icefall triggering during gathering storm was just 👌🏿
astral crystal
yeah the fire thing is pretty huge
crucible got some nice nerfs too
pissed my guild called it quits after we killed jaina
mortal brook
the kicking reseting stacks is big too. that's enough time to handle the ele pre p3
warm plinth
Dat ring doe
wary gyro
Not even 415 smh
warm plinth
+9 give me a break 😭
elfin lake
guys what's your stance about getting impending victory - never surrender - this week for grievious ? I would have 16 % haste though. I am thinking in a place like Shrine.
Also...1 bloodsport instead of 1 bastion...stupid idea? thanks in avance for your advices
exotic spoke
A dps got 425 socketed ring from rasa last night.
Everyone is now plotting his demise to steal his ring
No
Just no
Mainly the never surrender
Reasoning being is last stand with bolster is part of our active mitigation rotation
undone sun
never surrender is always bad
exotic spoke
Also, no on impending victory because we need the haste to reduce our GCD, AM cooldown, etc
sand egret
There's also the fact that giving up Bolster will prob put you into windows where you're going to be shot into GW range where you otherwise wouldn't have thanks to not having Block coverage
exotic spoke
We have a little bit of wiggle room for our talents - just a very little bit. Those two arent it
warm plinth
Bloodsport is not a bad idea, but not instead of bastion. I could see making the case for it instead of other traits, but frankly it's not going to be the difference between surviving grievous and not surviving it.
sand egret
generally, most issues with grevious don't come from the tank. It's when the rest of the group also has GW that puts the strain on you since heals must be diverted.
elfin lake
fair points, thanks all
spring tangle
hey guys i am new to this channel, looking to get better at tanking in mythic + - any tips on where to start as a prot warrior for mythic + and raiding high end>
zinc spoke
I am new as well and the icy veins guide linked in pins was really helpful
I would start there
spring tangle
ok thanks mate
wraith coral
Should I use the engineering googles when I have a Mythic Crown of Bloody Succession ? (i can get Defeaning Crash on both my other pieces)
wraith coral
The icy veins guide only mentions using the googles "if you are having trboule obtaining a high item level deafening crash"
lusty grotto
Goggles are superior in traits however
Rng is really good and cuaterizer is a nice bonus for bleeds
Cauterizer
bright current
is 40% haste to much haste?
undone sun
no
wraith coral
Is that the recommended option ? I have used the absorb o tron
bright current
40% haste 36%mast
undone sun
👍
bright current
i feel pretty good with that
modern brook
Absorbotron got nerfed and is also on another ring
wraith coral
RNG + Overwhelming Power + Absorb o tron is what I used, I will switch it to cauterize
modern brook
👌
bright current
what about vers? worth stacking or just kinda passivly get it
undone sun
same as other stats
modern brook
bright current
only got 7%
lusty grotto
Yeah those are good addysin
modern brook
Stat prio and reasoning are covered in the guides
undone sun
there are no breakpoints or caps you want to be reaching for secondaries
whatever you have in the present, and whatever you will have in the future is good
neon tangle
@wraith coral Keep the absorbotron unless you have a specific time that you want the bleed removal, i.e. on conclave
undone sun
more stats is far better than better stats
neon tangle
absorbotron is absurdly powerful, albeit a little less so in 8.2 (whever that happens)
wraith coral
We are going to progress Conclave Mythic on Sunday again so it should work nicely there
lusty grotto
Yeah sounds reasonable sadbox
bright current
kk
neon tangle
@lusty grotto You know what absorbotron does right?
wraith coral
it doesnt appear on logs so I dont actually know how much it does 😦
neon tangle
it absorbs the ENTIRE ATTACK, no matter how big it is
random zero-damage thrashes on Fetid
entire hits from jaina
modern brook
Lol why are you @ing nim?
lusty grotto
It has max dmg component but yeah
modern brook
Xd
neon tangle
It doesn't matter if it goes over the max dmg
manic ocean
did'nt it absorbed the entire trash of fetid because it could be targeted by that hit?
lusty grotto
Are you sure because the tool tip does say a max amount
wraith coral
basically intervene but it takes the full attack even if it goes over
neon tangle
The attack is redirected to the bot, it can overkill the bot
lusty grotto
Ah
Yeah that makes sense
I suppose you can intervene after it spawns the not sure
The bot *
neon tangle
I think the bot dying proc'd victory rush at one point, dunno if taht still works
lusty grotto
Lmao
manic ocean
do you have any logs that show that it absorbed a full hit and not just a portion of it?
neon tangle
@manic ocean Not on me, it's been a thing since BfA launched tho
wary gyro
I've never heard anyone mention it before in regards to the engi helm
manic ocean
i've heard it about terrible trash but there because the 2nd hit could target the bot
nvm the comment wrote the same as sadbox
lusty grotto
there we go
last mason
Is the crucible rank trink good in m+ also
So is it good even if you can’t hit the 7 target limit
Raid*
neon tangle
It's a big ol heal on demand
@lusty grotto https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/daMtgTpGXVwPRbZn#fight=last&type=damage-taken&view=events&source=42 the last hit on jadefire was great
154k overkill
when it had 2k left on the absorb
spring tangle
anyone know the best place to get a decent 1 hander?
lusty grotto
any place to get a 1 hander
neon tangle
^^^
lusty grotto
except waycrest maybe but even then if its ilvl is higher than what you have, its good
manic ocean
Absorb for that hit at 1:04.409 is: 121315, absorbed in healing is 33582 blood shield, 2033 pala heal, so there is 85,700 left, bot got hit by 35640 and overkilled by 50060, adds up to 85,700, so it seems that the overkill really is counted as absorb towards the bot
https://puu.sh/DqwKK/829943b072.png
https://puu.sh/DqwUq/22fbe82810.png
https://puu.sh/DqwVA/35979d349c.png
lusty grotto
yup
exotic spoke
@last mason I like the trinket. And basically any time you need it you will hit seven targets - even if 4 of them are your allies
neon tangle
@manic ocean yeap, also easy if you filter by absorb-o-tron up
if buff is up, zero damage to player
in 8.2 it's getting changed to a 50% redirect, and afaik will still overkill the bot
so it won't be AS absurd
but it's still better than it looks in the tooltip
manic ocean
yeah 😄 i've put some screens up for the numbers
neon tangle
unfortunately it isn't counted as "healing" in the logs, etc
so it's easy to miss how good it is
fetid in particular is a best-case for it since there's no raid damage to eat up the shields, and only GIANT single attacks
you can see on the jadefire log it gets eaten up by little attacks more
same for conclave
manic ocean
yeah but its almost everytime better than the tooltip states
neon tangle
yepyep
spring tangle
any recommendations for WA?
lusty grotto
depends on what you're looking for
any block tracker is good, marok has one in the prot section of #268491842637660160
mortal brook
one that yells at you if you hit rage cap is good 😄
lusty grotto
iirc it shows you when shield block or Last Stand with bolster is up
mortal brook
also get that one where owen wilson says 'wow!' everytime you crit
lusty grotto
shit
i need that one
link steve
cant wait until unstable flames + block procs lmao
wo..wo.woow...waow
mortal brook
lusty grotto
favorited 😃
mortal brook
there's an addon version iirc with al lthe sound files
WA you still have to manual the files
terse walrus
hello 😄 i have a question what do you think is better 405 head with 4 biss traits , or 420 with :
oblique garnet
@terse walrus 420
lusty grotto
ilvl > all
there is no such thing as a "bis" trait
they are situational and work best when stacked if they are stronger than others depending on the content type
mortal brook
@lusty grotto is #protection 's bis trait
lusty grotto
but you do not sacrifice ilvl over them
this message brought to you by the "Let's stop using the acronym BiS in class discords please" foundation
a sub division of "BiS was relevant 4 expansions ago when TF and WF didn't exist"
terse walrus
oki ty
sand egret
@mortal brook I am downloading that immediately. That qualifies as a must-have addon
mortal brook
given the uptime of 8.2's avatar, there's a strong case for BoM being the best trait
but still prob not for saccing ilvl
lusty grotto
there are reports where BoM doesn't proc off the mayor
mortal brook
theres also reports of getting the full duration of it
lusty grotto
right
mortal brook
that's wild
lusty grotto
honestly it makes sense
mortal brook
but on standalone major procs that dont refresh, it does BoM yeah?
mortal brook
kk
sand egret
if i recall correctly
I may be wrong on that, but I believe it's 50% duration on the BoM as well as the Avatar for procs
lusty grotto
even then
sand egret
still nutty
just less nutty
can't wait for the "changing visions to Shield Wall and Guardian of Ancient Kings" patch notes where everyone freaks out cuz somehow didn't see this coming (see: UF nerfs)
sand egret
they'll back-pocket that change and try to make the current one work as best they can
lusty grotto
it'll still be strong as hell with wall
lusty grotto
40% dr on a 3 second duration isn't bad at all
lusty grotto
the only problem i have with that the whole defensives on the trait is that tanks will feel spiky as hell
idk
lusty grotto
hmm
sand egret
^
lusty grotto
yeah youre right
mortal brook
but id still take stat sticks tbh
if no visions. esp with how worldvein is stacking atm
that'll HAVE to be nerfed
neon tangle
There's a lot of REALLY broken essences right now, the "every time you don't crit you build up stacks that eventually give you 100% crit" minor essence is working on AoE abilities
so you roll around with 100% crit in m+
warm plinth
Solved my FPS problem (which I caused)! 
lusty grotto
what was it
mortal brook
that and the other crit one that gives building crit and then a haste at so many crit stacks. its wild
isnt that no crits gives 100% crit a Diablo ring? lol
warm plinth
So I was using the game DVR one night because I was recording me thunderstorming people off a cliff while leveling my shaman...and afterward I was like hey you know what's better than recording the last 30 seconds? Recording the last 5 minutes!
So...yeah
lusty grotto
they port that shit but still not barbarian jump, wtfblizz
neon tangle
what is heroic leap?
lusty grotto
wtf ghash
warm plinth
I didn't know any better 😭
lusty grotto
uhh dude
i have shadowplay on all the time
doesn't give me issues with fps
weird
warm plinth
What's shadowplay?
warm plinth
1070
lusty grotto
yeah i have a 1070ti
warm plinth
Ah. Well it was fine when I had it on 30 seconds. I didn't think it would have an impact on FPS (since it's basically just more storage space taken at any given time). But idk. I turned game DVR off and it's perfectly fine now
lusty grotto
what are your graphics at though
warm plinth
10
warm plinth
When I had it set to 5 mins it was giving me problems on any settings though
Frame drops
I dropped it down to 5 and it was still bottoming out pretty frequently
warm plinth
I should test with shadowplay and see if it does the same thing; maybe windows game dvr just sucks
lusty grotto
but sometimes turning off and on again on the dvr (or shadowplay) fixes some corruption on the dram holding all that
its the same thing
windows dvr essentially uses the same technology
warm plinth
Gotcha
warm plinth
Yeah idk. I know enough about PCs to build them but that's about it, and I still get someone else to tell me what parts to use XD
Huh I wonder actually if I do have shadowplay on 🤔
lusty grotto
having both on shouldn't be a problem
but i switched windows off years ago cause it had problems with dota2
do you use Geforce Experience?
warm plinth
I have it installed I think but I don't actively use it for anything. Just happened to download with the driver lol
warm plinth
No? I just get a notification that comes up and says a new gameready driver is available and I install it
lusty grotto
i think if you havent used it, shadowplay will be off
but you can try
hitting ALT Z i think in game
(it works for me on desktop as well)
it will bring up an overlay
warm plinth
Yeah it's weird; I get that flag that comes up saying to press alt+z but it doesn't do anything
warm plinth
It used to back when I first got the card, but I'm guessing I may have disabled it or something
lusty grotto
yeah that's possible
warm plinth
Yeah I just looked for it and it's not there. Though I don't remember specifically uninstalling it.
lusty grotto
press start and type geforce experience
warm plinth
That's what I did; it just comes up with the web search
lusty grotto
welp you need it for shadowplay
warm plinth
I'm downloading it right now. Might as well check it out
And now that I know to just not set it to 5 minutes, it should be fine 😂
lusty grotto
most people hate it
i dont know why
i think it has something to do with requiring you to have an nvidia account
warm plinth
Idk, if it works the same as the dvr, I think it's neat to have.
lusty grotto
do you run windows on an ssd?
wooden radish
@ionic fern is this normal?
undone sun
no sb up 😡
exotic spoke
No block feels bad man
lusty grotto
lmao i was gonna say something but since its Lincoln hes probably meme'ing Mwahi
undone sun
yeah
exotic spoke
Even with block that only takes off 230kish but that will depend on k values and shot
undone sun
ptr testing
exotic spoke
If it’s about 40%
lusty grotto
😄
undone sun
i don't think so
lusty grotto
it says it lasted 23 seconds
exotic spoke
Yeah I just saw that lol
lusty grotto
lol
exotic spoke
Obviously we need to refer to naxx strats and mind control something to tank
wooden radish
he literally died on the first melee
they asked him to pre-pull last stand after that haha
exotic spoke
Oof
lusty grotto
yikes
neon tangle
Fetid v2
exotic spoke
RiP
sand egret
haha sounds like Blizz has been creepin on this channel....
"Oh, they talking shit about my Treeboi boss....I'll show you a mofo who trucks you...."
@exotic spoke that boss was sooo cool for its time
Naxx still ranks as one of the best designed raids (in its context) in WoW
imho
exotic spoke
It was
It was the first raid that had major mechanics in a widespread fashion. Sure AQ had some, but not to the degree of naxx imo
I still hate fucking princess huhu
warm plinth
Late more vods when
warm plinth
RIP
warm plinth
Brb going into the fetal position in the corner crying my life away
oblique garnet
lul
warrior is dead class cant you see the new boss oneshots on heroic?!
What can you do
its over
warm plinth
Meh, not gonna be doing it so idgaf
exotic spoke
Obviously he should have blocked. Only taking 320kish damage then
oblique garnet
yeah
pretty sure the ptr gear is also lower than what you would have when you get
exotic spoke
But gear doesn’t matter if you’re a good player right?
oblique garnet
Ofc it doesnt
Not like anything matters
If youre Kungen you can tank mythic jaina without shield
exotic spoke
Obviously.
clear shell
Hello everyone
warm plinth
👋
exotic spoke
Oh hello
civic oriole
Hey, I'm absolutely new to Warri (Prot) and was wondering, why almost all of the guides recommend Vers over Crit, and Mastery as one of the top gearing stats for M+, yet every top m+ player will gear for (Haste) Crit. I couldn't find a single guide even mentioning Parry at all or the benefits of having offense. I know most ppl play 3x BoM, so I can see why ppl don't see a need to go all out for Mastery. But I don't fullyy understand how Vers is somewhere in the middle on most of the papers you read, yet nobody gears for it at all. Could anybody help me out to understand this a little better? Or are stats just generally super close together?
exotic spoke
First, all of our stats are very close. So in most cases Ilvl is the most important thing.
After that, haste because it Lowers the cooldown Of SB most importantly.
Crit for m+ because parrying there is a lot more meaningful as you push higher keys while also increasing your dps
Vers for raids typically
sick sentinel
what guide did you read?
mortal brook
stats are defensively right about equal, such that ilvl is almost always better than stat swapping. they're playing haste crit for the damage and sb uptime
exotic spoke
We don’t need more mastery when we use avatar with three BoMz. It’s not bad but other things offer more
sick sentinel
Haste/crit is the best build for mplus hands down
exotic spoke
Agree
sick sentinel
as long as you are not losing ilvl
civic oriole
2 on WoWhead and 1 on Icy Veins. Last one I read was from Lepan on Wowhead.
mortal brook
haste is best, but ilvl is bester
sick sentinel
do not read wowhead guides for prot warr
sick sentinel
and icy veins is putting vers for raids
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Youre wrong and heres why; haste is overrated 8)
sick sentinel
and if I recall correctly the icy veins said that crit is the best stat per point just unreliable in ST scenarios
warm plinth
It's very important to note that the stat priority on icy-veins is correct. For survivability.
Most people aren't going for pure survivability.
exotic spoke
“While a good stat for overall damage reduction is is also unreliable”
civic oriole
Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Parry was negating damage entirely, right? I got a spreadsheet for reflectable and blockable stuff. How are parries mechanically? Or in other words: Can you parry any attack? Or is this limited to physical as well?
warm plinth
You can parry physical attacks only in most cases, but there are exceptions (I believe Jaina's ice shard is one; parries will show up as a deflect in logs)
open bluff
ice shard is physical
civic oriole
ICE shard, ofc it's physical. 🤓 Thanks guys. 😅 👍
warm plinth
Right lol
exotic spoke
I think I have cancer after looking at wowhead guide
civic oriole
I looked at several guides, but I felt like I didnt really get smarter. I just read some because they were recommended to me in here. 🤔
Mostly had more questions afterwards.
exotic spoke
Looking at wowhead talents and Jesus
“Indomitable is a good talent for beginners and experienced players alike”. I cut a little bit but that’s said in the guide
warm plinth
The only guide anyone should really be recommending (as far as an overall spec guide) is icy-veins.
You can also refer to the spreadsheets in #268491842637660160 and tanknotes.tk
exotic spoke
Also, not recommending safeguard.... saying it’s only useful in raids
warm plinth
And of course you're always welcome to ask for clarifications in here if you are still confused.
exotic spoke
Situationally useful.
Brb drinking bleach to remove what I just read from my memory
warm plinth
RIP. No weapon/shield from equipment cache emissary and a duplicate of my tuskarr charm from turtle emissary 😦
Did get 10 ilevel higher belt I guess but meh
sand egret
turtle bois is today?1
exotic spoke
Oh snap! Time to finally do an emissary
sand egret
time to roll the dice for a trinket!
small flicker
is tehre a faq for azerite traits? does carapice stack?
mortal brook
warm plinth
For carapace, the armor gain and damage done to melee attackers stacks. The 10% threshold and duration stay the same.
undone sun
There's also ways to find out which part of the trait stacks...
(1 isn't in game but still works) 1) go to wowhead and find the spell associated with the trait, moving the ilevel slider usually shows which 2) Hover over middle trait in the piece. Numbers that are highlighted in green are also the numbers that will scale with extra multiples of the trait. 3) Link the trait in chat and whichever stacks scales( and vice versa)
slim cosmos
tortollans blessed me... it's definitely an upgrade over my 410, right?
sick sentinel
420>410
warm plinth
Yeah I'd use the 420 for sure. Lose the socket but gain mucho haste 👍
slim cosmos
thanks guys
sand egret
holy crap....i'm actually attempting to do a key as a dps....do they really wait this long to fill?
slim cosmos
it's not quite as bad if you're a rogue, but... yeah.
dense flame
neon tangle
@sand egret I'm playing rogue right now so... honestly a bit easier to get groups than my BDK
shit ilvl? shit r.io? still gonna take me to your 16TD
sand egret
if only kitties could pick locks...
neon tangle
and shroud!
sand egret
yeah...
neon tangle
and tricks...
sand egret
naw you can have that shit
neon tangle
tricks is great tho, makes cannons way more fun
sand egret
yeah i know
edgy girder
Hey guys, dirty casual here. (390/392 ilvl). I got the gloves from COS @ 375 ilvl and am struggling to be able to objectively compare them to my alternatives (Honorbound Centurions Gauntlets @ 395 ilvl)
mortal brook
not better
edgy girder
My intuition says the flat gains on stam and vers outweigh the proc from the gloves (always on is better than a proc imho)
mortal brook
uptime of the gloves is basically zero in m+
loss of 20 ilvl and secondaries not worth the 1k hps
mortal brook
glhf
edgy girder
oblique garnet
@sand egret nah i think regrowth of feral druid is good for grievious
smoky iris
oblique garnet
2x iv
junior ivy
astral crystal
dont pet it and just send it north of the wall
steel mauve
too soon
umbral forge
It's where he belongs.
oblique garnet
Oi m8 dont make me call the popo
graceful sundial
hey...for ph3 Jaina do I need a macro for dying? or just turning back is enough¡?
fierce juniper
Just turning is generally enough as long as the healers know to not heal you, but you should definitely make a macro, it's way more consistent. No reason to potentially wipe the raid by being ice blocked on accident.
graceful sundial
thanks a lot for your answer 😉
umbral forge
You can macro a suicide?
undone sun
cancel aura basically everything
umbral forge
Oh
graceful sundial
there's one on tanknotes which cancelaura all your healing
undone sun
afaik, canceling azerites still causes problems of them not proccing until relog
graceful sundial
well that macro only consider healing buffs not azerite traits
sudden kayak
hi im new to prot warrior so is there a macro where i can put charge with devestate and rrevenge with shield block
is there a guide on macros where i can see it
undone sun
dont do that
undone sun
shield block
primal sable
why would you have devastate macro'd to anything
warm plinth
You use Devastate without any sort of regularity; macroing it to something you're going to use all the time is a terrible idea.
undone sun
plus macroing defensives with anything else is an incredibly bad idea
warm plinth
Yerp.
umbral forge
Charge has minimum range and devastate melee
No situation where you'd want to or could be able to do both
undone sun
👏 one 👏 button 👏 macros 👏
warm plinth
They aren't wanting to use them at the same time. Probably just trying to save key bind space
My thought anyway
umbral forge
The SB one is not intelligent then
warm plinth
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Neither are intelligent. Intercept has no minimum range if used on a friendly target.
umbral forge
You cant decap a friendly target and he didn't ask about mouseover macros
warm plinth
Fair
distant crystal
just do some hand stretches before you play prot
warm plinth
Fo sho
vocal skiff
Do you use intercept mouseover macros
umbral forge
I don't.
undone sun
i had a separate bind for it, yes
umbral forge
I don't use mouseover macros at all period. I hate them.
umbral forge
Oh I have that
distant crystal
mouseover intercept for eudora 👌
if you have the weakaura that highlights people on your frames when they're targetted by something big
vocal skiff
I generally use mouse over for healing
But I have been considering for intercept as well
sudden kayak
hey is intercept suppose to replace charge for prot warrior
or is there still a spell called charge when your a prot warrior i cant see it
undone sun
replace
sudden kayak
ok thank you
shadow jetty
hi guys, what are the best trinkets for prot right now?
what should I be running to get them?
sick sentinel
Rezan from AD, Block from WCM, Vial from UR, Jaina trinket
all super stronk
Unuut's trinket if you need a large heal on 1m cd
primal sable
knot for on use crit
jagged bay
did u guys try fh boosting on your warrior?o_o
umbral forge
@lusty grotto
sick sentinel
Do you guys think necrotic/sanguine coming up will be hell or nah?
sick sentinel
im not the right person to ask about traits, mine are garbage
open bluff
For AoE/M+ sure, for ST/raiding BFI is slightly better iirc
sick sentinel
i would kill for multiple bom's but i ain't spending my 3.300 TR until at least 8.2
orchid token
@sick sentinel Sanguine Necrotic is a week that's entirely in your control. It's a super technical week that both requires a ton of space and heavily limits how much you have to work with. Going into every pull you need a plan for where you're going to let the mobs die and exactly where you'll be planning to reset stacks of necrotic if needed
sick sentinel
Last time i did necrotic week, i used pallies for bop
stone imp
Right behind outlaw rogue.
sick sentinel
prot warrior also most action per minute, saw a chart on this discord few days ago
shut summit
orchid token
prot warrior is easily the highest APM tank
mostly down to being simultaneously a GCD-locked spec as well as two core abilities being off-GCD
charred prawn
i guess this assumes no waiting when not actively blocking?
orchid token
IDk what you mean by waiting?
you never sit on 2 charges of shield block if that's what you're asking
even if not tanking
it's a DPS increase
charred prawn
i mean not actively getting smacked
sick sentinel
how dps increase besides 30% SS?
undone sun
rage spent into AM
orchid token
why does there have to be a besides
the only way not being smacked would change shield block usage per minute is if you sat and capped at 2 charges which you would never do
undone sun
and yeah, that's the main point is SS damage
orchid token
so whether you're tanking or not your SB per minute is identical
sick sentinel
oh, i get it now, like a raid boss i'm thinking of M+
sick sentinel
don't mind me guys, sometimes i tend not to be the brightest lightbulb
charred prawn
dunno about this tho, comparing these to similar duration fights on live even account for time not spent tanking seems like this sim is getting a shag load more rage than they are suppose to but im no expert
sick sentinel
i dunno, i don't seem to have alot of issue with rage starve
charred prawn
getting 18 apm out of revenge, everyone im looking at is getting around 8-10, 32 out of ignore pain
rage starve ofc not, but this much rage to spend dunno
charred prawn
it seems quite high
charred prawn
i dont doubt that it can get quite fast, but the total casts is a lot higher than the big boiz are getting
orchid token
are you accounting for time off target?
since the sim has none
there's only a few fights you can compare in terms of time on target
charred prawn
im trying to keep on the targets that have highest uptime
orchid token
like my cabal APM is 66 but that's because there's a bit of time off target between going out and soaking etc
charred prawn
looking at the biggest pumpers
orchid token
the only fight you can look at to compare sim APM to real APM is grong
and only if the player is not being thrown
every other fight has forced time off target
charred prawn
since they would probably be following the dps cast priority used here
orchid token
and the sim has no time off target
if you're looking at anything but grong it's not a reasonable comparison
charred prawn
i think the disparity if from people not keeping intercept on cd
orchid token
what disparity
charred prawn
from what im looking at
orchid token
you still havent said which fights you're looking at
orchid token
okay well?? that doesn't say prot warrior APM is lower than the sim, it says those people are lower APM than they could be
looking at top DPS logs is not going to give you an accurate APM picturwe
because using revenge over IP is an APM loss
since one is on GCD and the other is off
and top logs will naturally be using far less IP than a typical prot scenario
they'll be using revenge as a primary spender with ignore pain only to avoid overcapping, while a normal prot warrior rotation is the opposite
charred prawn
but then how is this dps log using so many IP keeping the same apm when its suppose to prioritise revenge, thats what im confused by
and it maintains a solid 50% mean rage for the whole time while casting IP and revanges every 3 seconds or so
orchid token
not sure what to tell you
but there can't be a disparity to the sim in terms of max APM of the spec
because my own logs match the sim
the fact that you've found logs that don't doesn't mean the sim is overestimating APM
charred prawn
doesnt really matter, i dont doubt it gets fast
im spamming thunderclap and SS like a machine
pressing 1 and 2 all the time
orchid token
right, the takeaway from the sim isnt that all warriors should hit that sim, it's that when you compare to the other tank specs the potential APM is higher for warriors than other tanks
charred prawn
just seems like theres too much rage when its prioritising revenge
orchid token
brew comes close but lacks the extra off GCD button that prot has
you definitely can't spend all your rage with revenge
100%
it's on-GCD, it's by nature impossible
naive barn
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hollow root
need some tips and clarity
I feel like against pure physical damage, I lose more hp shield blocking than I do when I use ignore pain
am I just crazy or...?
steel mauve
if the damage is blockable shield block will always reduce more damage then IP will
IP is just a supplementary mitigation, its used in conjunction with shield block, not one or the other, generally shield block first then spend the rest on IP, unless its like jadefire if tanking the monk, then shield block is useless outside of just increasing the damage of shield slam
austere oar
Its bc you have the feeling of having an absorb, except its gonna be eaten in 1 hit and then you're gonna take a lot of dmg
But SB >> IP yeah
steel mauve
ya i meant mage my bad
distant crystal
just making sure i haven't been tanking monk wrong all this time :p
sick sentinel
I thought you only use revenge whenever it gets proc'd for no rage
distant crystal
you can still use it in aoe situations
steel mauve
talking to my raid team at the same time lol
orchid token
@hollow root to expand, the very first GCD after IPing you'll feel like you take less damage than the first GCD of shield block. But the shield block will reduce a lot more over 6 seconds than a single IP
steel mauve
free revenge procs or when tanking multiple mobs it is useful for dps
sick sentinel
I suppose it's from 8.0 or 8.1.0x but what I read was something to the extent of "revenge rage is better spent on defensive"
austere oar
If SB is up and you're generating a lot of rage in AoE situation you can cast a non proc revenge
I wouldn't recommand using a non proc revenge on a raid boss though
undone sun
There are definitely better rage dumps
austere oar
Keep in mind that this only applies if your survival isnt in question
sick sentinel
Back 8.0 when I was a wee warrior in heroics would spam hell out of it
Didn't know better
austere oar
If you are in potential danger, rage is best spent on SB then IP
hollow root
Alright, cheers guys. I just did a 15 ML and the overtime was a mix of my tanking and the comp
I can blame myself when it's due but the comp was wonky
prot war, rdruid, uhdk and 2 balance
two 1 minute kicks, rip
sick sentinel
Last time I had played before this expansion was towards end of mists, when you could enrage regen and aoe taunt with a flag, and devestator applied sunder
hollow root
Fuck man I miss mocking banner
warm plinth
Yeah mocking banner was pretty sweet
undone sun
If it does a lot of damage, it does a lot of threat
sick sentinel
That's one reason I dislike td, cannons do a billion dmg and then because raw dmg night impossible to hold threat on that target and cannon dude dies
warm plinth
What specs are in your group?
steel mauve
i miss my bannervene 😦
warm plinth
Ah. I was gonna say if you had a rogue or a hunter, they can tricks/MD you and then get in the cannon and start shooting.
sick sentinel
So, I get all kinds of players and specs of varying skills
tough latch
wtf
jade socket
@fierce juniper
tough latch
@fierce juniper
fierce juniper
hiya
fierce juniper
idk tbh
shell geyser
Is there a list of BiS prot pieces? I've never played it but I have a stockpike of azerite gear, wanted to see if I got any good pieces before I start scrapping them
shell geyser
huh?
shell geyser
would it be too much to ask for you to translate those acronyms for me? XD
I do not know prot stuff
undone sun
bastion of might, iron fortress, deafening crash
shell geyser
XD
honest canopy
Ppl Will argue here buhubuhu you can get more dps by X but LETS fkn face it.
You wanna so gucci Damage and be tanky AF
shell geyser
so no like particular pieces?
I have like 30 400+ azerite pieces
wanted to start using them for something XD
honest canopy
Then you have overlaps
shell geyser
probably
shell geyser
and a bunch of other 415 gear that has sub-optimal stats for fury
shell geyser
I assume vers is good?
honest canopy
👀 👀 👀
shell geyser
the pins are unhelpful in this line of inquiry
honest canopy
You 420 equipd or so?
shell geyser
415
shell geyser
ez
wow 115 per piece? XD
I dunno why I was saving them
so if I have a choice between haste/mastery and crit/vers item of the same ilvl, haste is the way to go?
honest canopy
NO then you take The crit one
sick sentinel
@shell geyser @honest canopy haste is the way to go what are you on about nik
honest canopy
@sick sentinel I said so, 2 Times. Then he asked anyway so trolled some
sick sentinel
sorry I just woke up
last loom
are you guys pooling residium for next patch?
or is it worth trying to spend to fix my azerite
sick sentinel
you should start pooling when you are satisfied with your azerite
The 800-1000 per week will hardly be worth saving tbh
So unless you have the best azerite for your build, I say spend away
pure robin
Hello everyone, I just came back to WOW. Quick question: Is it wort stacking deafening Crash for Dungeons?
Nvm. Found an answer
spice ferry
I’m saving mine
If you have a decent amount you’ll have enough to get your first piece a week or so early
willow scarab
we talked about this a few weeks ago and new 445 pieces are guesstimated at 17-20k each
If you do a 20 each week between now and July 2nd (potential 8.2 date) then you will have 8k so half a piece
sick sentinel
I'm sorry if my question sounds stupid, or if I'm simply not able to comprehend bloodmallet.
Question: BoM vs. Trecherous C.? If I have to choose one or the other (same ring) which one would you prefer?
Sims (I know only for dps) and bloodmallet let me think that TC seems better, but is it?
Thank you all in advance!
(I have two pieces with that situation - and no other pieces - just started again two weeks ago).
primal sable
for m+ i would go BoM
sick sentinel
I thank you for that information - and for raid TC (according to logs the buff has a uptime of about 95%+).
?
primal sable
pretty much
if you are below 50% a lot theres something else thats wrong
and not the trait
sick sentinel
Ok, seems like my generel idea seemed right (for raid).
I thank you for the tip with BoM for m+ - I'll try it out.
dark lark
BoM gives defensive value as well. Mastery gives you more chance to critical block, and I believe the attack power bonus from mastery also makes that free ignore pain better as well.
slate pilot
Whats the spell reflect thing warriors can do on grong
Does it negate the entire DoT you get
sick sentinel
yes
ocean pebble
just importet the spell reflection tracker WA, doesnt work (german client) any ideas?
sonic saddle
So since there has been a decent bit of talk abt ST oriented M+ affix next season, which tank do you think will fare well there? Prot aorn doesn't seem to have a huge amt of ST dps... and would you switch away from prot tanking?
primal sable
idk what you mean, prot does a lot of damage ST
sick sentinel
my 35k burst ST says "????"
near ivy
🤔
near ivy
Prot isn't any worse on ST than other tanks
Its just that it fucking blasts on AoE
Its probably better on ST than other tanks, just not by as big of a margin as AoE
primal sable
as long as the new seasonal affix introduces adds into dungeons, i think prot will still dominate
floral bolt
blood rite or bloodsport for m+ ? already got 1 bloodsport
worthy dagger
HASTE HASTE HASTE
floral bolt
aight :D
ionic fern
Also depends on how much of a time sink it is..e.g how long does it take to kill the mob(if it's killable) chances are that a bunch of Outlaw rogues will go Assassination anyways due to more ST oriented things and just blast through them
twilit jasper
u still gotta kill the trash mobs anyways
ionic fern
Jeap
orchid token
it's going to depend entirely on the tuning of the affix
assuming it works based on the pulsing aoe spell ID that wowhead speculated
if its tuned to be super threatening then you're going to want to burst it down, if you're not you'll just heal through it and AOE anyway
shrewd creek
hello, i got a dagger from loot sharing, but cant use revenge with that? Is a dagger not a 1 hand melee weapon?
sick sentinel
we can't use daggers
shrewd creek
well, never tried butt it seems yes :/ was a 20 ilvl upgrade
can equip but i'm missing revenge
umbral forge
can you do other stuff
umbral forge
Cool
sick sentinel
I would rather not use it
shrewd creek
yeah cantt without revenge
sick sentinel
revenge is actually crucial
shrewd creek
yes
sick sentinel
it applies deep wounds to everything
umbral forge
wait I know
shrewd creek
stick with my 385 so 😃
umbral forge
ah shit
shrewd creek
exactly
umbral forge
you can make an equip macro for the dagger and include it in shield slam
And then an equip for your sword before revenge
shrewd creek
hmm may give itt a try
open bluff
iirc you can't swap gear in combat anymore
open bluff
fwiw the two reasons we say ilvl are wdps and armor
sick sentinel
jet can you stop being retarded?
open bluff
both of which you're fucking yourself out of in this situation
sick sentinel
you said you would go to sleep
umbral forge
yes then I returned
spice ferry
Is there any tank class that isn’t ilvl>stats?
spice ferry
Lol
Got some muppet guilds trying to tell me monk take stats over ilvl haha
Guildy*
open bluff
monk especially is ilvl
as long as you can hit isb it doesn't matter what your stats are
spice ferry
Yeh figured that.
strong forum
Every tank is ilvl >stats cuz ilvl gives mainstat which is highly valuable in terms of survivabiltiy
Mainstat is not as relevant to dps or healers cuz they only need output
sick sentinel
how is str important for warrior in m+? thought we re already at block soft cap
str does absolutely nothing for block
and there is no such thing as a block soft cap
you cant block more than 85%, no?
correct
open bluff
str = armor
sick sentinel
so how many ilvls is a socket worth then as prot?
open bluff
0-5
depends on the slot, for rings it's worth closer to 10-15
the meme is spreading
brittle owl
sudden kayak
hey any one know witch one is higher dps arms or fury
lucid bough
man, meme should be vampiric speed in m+
got a new piece, tried 2* vampiric in a run
heals a fuck ton specially when u combo reaping with a big pack
opaque harness
what is a safe ilvl for my first +10? 380 is way too low right?
sick sentinel
visage is the best on that tier afaik
@opaque harness if you know the class and the dungeons 380 is doable
opaque harness
cool cool, not looking for any insane time or anything, just a completion
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel check dms
quiet star
are the 8.2 nerfs accually announced yet?
sick sentinel
quiet star
so warrior will still be strongest dps by far then :^)
sick sentinel
the bigger nerf is that reaping is going away
quiet star
so no defensive nerfs? for raiding
wooden radish
@ionic fern hi.
ionic fern
@wooden radish hiiiiii. I'm watching Grinch.
wooden radish
nice
lofty cradle
sick sentinel
Revenge does more damage than a devestate
remote tusk
Only use Revenge when it is free
buoyant inlet
@lofty cradle revenge when free or if you’re near rage cap and you know there is no big damage coming your way soon
ionic fern
Revenge > Devastate as long as it's just pure DPE you consider even on ST.
buoyant inlet
👆
paper orchid
Is there any guides that are a little less than wowhead but still have the priorities etc.
honest pelican
is there a website where you can compare/sim gear for protection?
pawn seems wrong and raidbots won't do non-dps
paper orchid
I'm new to prot war, looking to get some info or pick sometimes brain if anyone's willing to help abrudda out
sturdy sable
You can sim tanks in raid bots it will just sim for dps
sick sentinel
both of you lads @paper orchid @honest pelican check pms
naive barn
Hm.. how important is my 1h weapon for my dps? not very important, right?
mortal brook
super important
naive barn
Talking m+ - not singletarget
Really? Annoying that my weapon is by far my lowest ilvl piece 😄
mortal brook
amen. miss legion 100%
naive barn
Crap.. guess i need to farm a weapon then
naive barn
damn... farming for a weap here i come
naive barn
i have 370 😄 😄 😄
mortal brook
1st conq week turnin should give a 375+ 😄
mortal brook
6 dungeons have weapons
sick sentinel
weapon damage is in the attack power calculation
sick sentinel
so more weapon damage=bigger ignore pains as well
naive barn
probrably just spam AT... might get lucky with a TF on trinket,ring shield or something
AD*
mortal brook
yes, IP is attack power based and weapon damage adds to AP
well, sorta. but it adds to all damage and healing throughput of abilities
legion was the only xpack my weapon wasnt consistently lower than my avg ilvl >.<
last mason
In m+, which would you guys replace with a 410 crucible tank trink: 410 eye, 420 vial
last mason
Those are the three
The crucible trink, 410 eye of Rezan, and 420 vial
I’m just asking which 2 of those three
naive barn
@mortal brook where did you find those stat weights?
mortal brook
oblique garnet
Crit>haste for m+ will be best for offense and defense
mortal brook
my weights are skewed a bit 100%. got haste on every piece lol
by highest ilvl accident ^.^
dim token
How good is prot war in terms of pure tankiness? Dps aside
sick sentinel
arguably the best
sick sentinel
monk
dim token
I see, thanks was just curious
sick sentinel
if you can block prot warr is probably the best
but with mechanics and all that it also depends on fight utility wise
neon tangle
Monk takes more damage overall but is still less likely to get gibbed due to their mastery and AM
Also less punishing for mistakes while playing
And less dependent on gear
Can’t really compete with that for early tier prog
charred prawn
also sort of depends on fight profile, if a boss spends a lot of time casting monks are pretty insane e.g. jaina
i went up to 48 stacks mythic np, now actually with it being so fast could probably solo p2
actually might see if guild will let me try and solo tank up to p3 now that those nerfs are in
stark fox
Do you guys keep any of your alts similarly geared to your Prot Wars or? I want to gear a 2nd class and can't decide what 😦
shrewd parrot
i have 4 tanks around 410 ilvl >.>
coral jasper
So from TS emissary i got a 415 with avoidance and gem socketed trinket (One with main STR and chance at 800~ verse) ... would I use this instead of my 395 vial based on the strength alone?
warm plinth
Mythic Dungeon Timer was what I used in Legion @lusty grotto
What’s your other trinket @coral jasper
coral jasper
400 Diamond
warm plinth
I’d use vial and sea charm personally. If you really can’t live without diamond, then replace vial.
coral jasper
Did the emissary for shits and ended with what I said lol and OK I hear you
So more str = more IP correct?
warm plinth
Yes
warm plinth
My logic is mainly that diamond isn’t normally necessary unless you’re doing super high stuff
lusty grotto
hmm i dont think that's the one im seeing
coral jasper
Roger.. well, I like diamond bc it lets the healer do more damage also and focus heals on the rest of the group (depending on key / affix / difficulty (level) )
Angry Keystones @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
i said that one already
lusty grotto
yeah i think its a newish one
warm plinth
Are you trying to identify one in a video or something?
It’s called MythicPlusTimer btw not Mythic Dungeon Timer. I can’t read.
coral jasper
But thank you by the way @warm plinth appreciate it. I was thinking Diamond / Sea ... only because I like to help out with metigation as much as possible (although I had 3 resounding and absorb-o-tron (which I just found out will eat an infinite amount of overkill to the bot) so that's prob enough
have*
and no only 2 not 3
warm plinth
Yeah absorbotron is getting nerfed a bit in 8.2 but it’ll still be strong
coral jasper
Yeah the bot tho?
warm plinth
Think it only takes half the hit or something. Can still be overkilled though