@lapis tapir https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-battle-of-dazar-alor-raid-guide
#protection
modern brook
Some of the info on icy veins is out dated
warm plinth
You're outdated
modern brook
no im mad
sand egret
Why not both?
stark fox
Lmao
modern brook
literally a useless channel sometimes i swear
lapis tapir
thanks a bunch peeps, i have some homework to do
sand egret
gl
modern brook
glhf
tired dagger
We can't talk about dh in the dh discord because everyone there answers every question with "Sim it u lazy cuck xd pepelaugh"
So we have to talk about it here :D
lusty grotto
if you're thinking about Spell Reflect on Grong @lapis tapir , @modern brook already found out about it very early into 8.1 and should be in the reflect guide
stark fox
Nim denying that DH is the best melee is a joke
modern brook
8^)
stark fox
That's like saying prot war isnt the best m+ tank because any tank can do keys
lusty grotto
"best melee" is an opinion
modern brook
💪 Thanks 💪 for 💪 the 💪 credit 💪
modern brook
Best melee is a joke
rapid fog
stark fox
Going with the mob mentality of the this game and how m+ lfg is telling the guy to play fury warrior over havoc dh would be a dumb choice. Almost every group will invite the havoc dh over the fury warrior, and most competitive guilds will want AT LEAST 1 DH for their debuff.
Anything can work with an organized group obv
tired dagger
One of the highest io people in my guild is a ret pally
lusty grotto
as prot
tired dagger
You can definitely push keys as any class you just have to work harder to find groups
stark fox
@tired dagger our normal group is war/druid/rogue/dh and then either ret or hunter pending the dungeon and who is online
Ret rallies are underrated imo
sand egret
Ret pumps in Reaping if they can line up AW
stark fox
If we could, we would
lusty grotto
so youre saying the best melee for x content is the one that plays well
gotcha
case closed, we can hear your joke now @modern brook
lusty grotto
knock knock
stark fox
Well no shit, but that applies to literally any game ever. Just because you can do well with the worst class doesnt mean you shouldn't recommend the meta classes to a new player
modern brook
whos there
lusty grotto
mike
modern brook
Recommending meta anytihng in anything isnt good default advice its a failure of understanding 🤷
If nooby mc noobers wanted to parse in 19 mob pulls
I wouldnt be like lol play UDK It caps at millions of dps
i would be like press avatar and then win the game :^)
stark fox
But telling someone to play Veng DH instead if Prot War is going to make it even harder on them for example. Most people wont invite a Veng DH, and they arent as good balance wise as a prot warrior.
lusty grotto
mike hawk
plush pagoda
415 gigavolt trink or 415 idol trink from cruc?
lusty grotto
GOTTEM
stark fox
For what babic
stark fox
Gigavolt is good for dps, idol is good for a instant heal.
lusty grotto
my fotm reroller hater sense is tingling
stark fox
I'd take idol on stuff like rastakhan
Where you can use it for the fire explosion shit
And it lines up well
plush pagoda
so both are pretty much situational?
stark fox
Yeah
plush pagoda
ty
stark fox
What's your other trinket?
plush pagoda
diamond
stark fox
Do you have a rezans?
plush pagoda
yeah farming for a 425 rezan
lusty grotto
a 425... yikes good luck
plush pagoda
lol
lusty grotto
how many ADs so far?
stark fox
I just got a 410rl today xD
plush pagoda
lost count
stark fox
410*
lusty grotto
you dont need a rezan
you have a RAGE
its basically the same except on demand
rezan is stronger slightly defensively
as long as you're using RAGE on cd, you're good
stark fox
I wasnt super impressed with my idol personally
lusty grotto
really no reason to have 2 haste trinkets in M+ though
stark fox
I also tried lurkers for the memes but it didnt add that much dps
lapis tapir
whats the rage trinket?
stark fox
Off mekka
lusty grotto
mekka trinket
stark fox
Yeah
lusty grotto
yeah the name spells out R.A.G.E.
which is why we call it RAGE with all caps
grong's we just call grong's
sick sentinel
I'd rather use Rezan over rage just because I dislike how little haste u get
From rage
Even if it's on use it's not something I personally like
modern brook
On use haste makes on use waste imo
stark fox
I dont have RAGE so I havent got to test it myself , but I'd probably use rezans
plush pagoda
1325 haste RAGE
modern brook
that shit isnt crit
if my 20s of being a bronze god isnt stomp -> free revenge
🤷 i just reroll for better rng tbh
modern brook
Or
ebon geyser
Any tips for normal bod? Will be tanking for the first time on my clappy boi
plush pagoda
next tier gear looks so awful.
sick sentinel
Yeah rtb Shield Block
The various buffs are
Guaranted block
Increase damage
Increase crit bLock chance
Damage reflection
lusty grotto
@ebon geyser tanknotes.tk and read our reflect guide in #268491842637660160
strong forum
Normal bod, just press any button
stark fox
Sunniers art of war is outdated I think, but it summarizes the basic mechanics
lusty grotto
As long as you can tank lfr you will be fine in normal
modern brook
ICy veins has some advice on a per-boss metric @ebon geyser
on the whole
do the mechanics and ur rotation
and then be bored for 3 hours while your DPS figure out how to not wipe ur raid every fucking time
stark fox
And dont worry Nim, in 8.2 if warriors arent meta i probably won't be here 👌
sick sentinel
Lmao
modern brook
Warriors arent meta
exotic spoke
Or until I quit the game again
plush pagoda
is BIS a thing anymore?
lusty grotto
as you all know, same
stark fox
Haha, I'm still farming tusks of mannorth. I may still play warrior if I get them eventually
exotic spoke
Still trying to find a way to get perma banned on the first offense without involving any other organization other than blizzard.....
sick sentinel
There's no bis
stark fox
And no babic, not eith warforging
plush pagoda
figured
modern brook
more info for gearing can be found at www.icy-veins.com
back slash prot backslash guide
sick sentinel
Or in your pms 👀
modern brook
u cant just pm everyone kaege
lusty grotto
kaege you should make a bot
modern brook
it gets weird
stark fox
I'm at like 480+ kills on hellscream on my warrior 😑
sand egret
i should go do that
sick sentinel
: D
sand egret
because i'd get them the first try
stark fox
Lmao
exotic spoke
Kaege... no balls... you won’t pm everyone
plush pagoda
why when u could get mythic BOD shoulders
sand egret
due to the fact that I don't care about them
modern brook
they dont even look cool
lusty grotto
same blade
plush pagoda
^
stark fox
I also do it on my dk/paladin but not as much
sick sentinel
Mythic bod look better tbh
modern brook
i wouldnt go that far
plush pagoda
@sick sentinel way better
sick sentinel
As far as shoulders go
modern brook
bfa plate in general has been really shitty tbh
lusty grotto
uldir plate was shitty
sick sentinel
There is BiS if u don't get WF/TF but that's very unlikely to happen
plush pagoda
yeah BOD aint that bad but next tier is so garbage
stark fox
Uldir everything was shit
plush pagoda
you look like a fkn fish
stark fox
Not just plate
exotic spoke
@sand egret that reminds me of when I got the heavenly onyx cloud serpent from a bmah container. When someone had been trying to buy it for years
Or how o randomly got a second thunderfury binding just to rub it in a dks face who has been farming it for a while
stark fox
Bod is fine for most classes imo
plush pagoda
bring back challenge mode gear
lime mantle
As long you are horde
plush pagoda
let me actually try to achieve shit
lime mantle
For alliance is pretty eeeeh/10
modern brook
gross
stark fox
CM would be dope, but it would prob be to easy now
lime mantle
Which I am fine with
lusty grotto
which one?
stark fox
Like they'd just tie it into the 15+ keystones in time achivement
modern brook
on the real not having class specific sets is lame
sand egret
@exotic spoke that's what happened to me. Farmed TFury for years on my rogue. Nothing. Did BTemple once on my DK.....got the bindings.
exotic spoke
I just want more mage tower like events
modern brook
everyone looks the same now
lime mantle
Make CM be m+20 on time
sand egret
err glaive
lusty grotto
the fuck are you talking about Bull
stark fox
Agreed
lime mantle
@modern brook you are in fact correct.
exotic spoke
Have thunder fury and sulfuras in my bags
stark fox
20 in time should be CM
exotic spoke
One person in guild has two invincible mounts.
sick sentinel
Give me a reason to time a 20kr and a 20sob
modern brook
@sick sentinel if they were to indroduce a CM it'd be 18s
plush pagoda
lmao THIS
stark fox
15+ isnt a challenge for most people that would want the gear
modern brook
because thats what they're doing the MDI at
exotic spoke
And whenever you open a trade with him he puts the extra one in the do not trade window
stark fox
18 would be fine to with mdi
sick sentinel
EH
lusty grotto
did you mention io
lusty grotto
keep it hush youll wake fumeiyo
sick sentinel
I push keys because it's fun to do hard content
Also let's be real, doing group content like CM was shown to fail compared to CM
My score is just the result
modern brook
group content rarely== an acheivement IMO
sick sentinel
MT fixed that problem because u couldn't bullshit MT until the very end
modern brook
Post 7.2.5 MT was bullshit lol
or 7.3
idr the patch
point is MT meant sometihng
until it didnt
lusty grotto
hehehehhee i got MT early on
exotic spoke
Hated the legendary rng
sick sentinel
CM in mop/wod was invalidated right away
exotic spoke
Didn’t have the ones that really helped
sick sentinel
What's mt
lusty grotto
mage tower
exotic spoke
Mage tower I assume
modern brook
My only achievement to date is getting VDH tower down pre-soulbomb buff
stark fox
I'd be fine with legendaries if there was a residue vendor to get them as well
plush pagoda
mage tower was fkn tough before nerf
sick sentinel
They could mage mage tower with fixed gear
stark fox
I hated the blood dk mage tower
exotic spoke
I got the bis legendaries last - beavers and I can’t remember... gloves? Before I started getting other ones
lusty grotto
that would be awesome Kaege
oblique garnet
i dont have any
exotic spoke
When was MT nerfed?
oblique garnet
mage tower skins : )
sick sentinel
Even post 7.2 but pre bfa patch the MT was not easy for a lot of people
Like, everybody has the same gear when they enter it
Maybe for us we found them easy but that's us
I only have encha sham, fury warr and prot warrior MTs
lusty grotto
variss hp was reduced for certain classes riki
modern brook
Im sub 2k io
i sucks hit
they were easy
once u got like 905 ilvl
u could start numbering through them
sick sentinel
Also
modern brook
between nerfs etc
sick sentinel
They should add legendaries back
plush pagoda
ive capped at 2.7k io cause ive never had a premade
exotic spoke
Yeah, I just don’t remember when it happened
lusty grotto
i got all warrior specs.... then got all paladin specs, then all druid specs, then all DH specs, then all DK specs, then all monk specs
inner moth
it would be easier
sick sentinel
Shadowmourne/dragonwrath type legendaries
modern brook
im nimchip
inner moth
if u just said "I got all specs"
stark fox
Lmao
exotic spoke
Only got prot. Didn’t care about the others
sick sentinel
The problem is u could number through it, once u had normal/heroic gear from ant
stark fox
I got all the dk ones and then like 1-2 on a few other classes
modern brook
its because u a) didnt want it b) didnt have a 110 class to do it or c) werent playing during legion
mage tower is a joke
modern brook
if it scaled to maintain the difficulty it opened with
or had fixed gear like kaege said then maybe
sick sentinel
Something bring easier for u doesn't mean it's a joke
exotic spoke
By the end it was super easy
lusty grotto
ya i agree with that
sick sentinel
I don't even remember the fury mage tower
modern brook
but as it is its just a cute "thanks for bearing with us and our shitty legend rng"
stark fox
I remember doing the affliction warlock one because I got the legendary ring. I literally one shot it
sick sentinel
Because I did it last week
open bluff
warrior mage tower skin felt kinda meh tbh
sick sentinel
I was basically asleep when I did it
sick sentinel
It was easier by the time we got the over power weapons
lusty grotto
it was the fatty, same as feral
modern brook
I literally did it in 1 shot using only rake rip and shred
open bluff
flail was the best part, but the shield felt kinda weak in terms of design
stark fox
The blood dk one was pretty hard imo
open bluff
lusty grotto
i 1 shot the bdk one
exotic spoke
I got it I think ~3 months after it came out? Waited to ge the legendaries for it
sick sentinel
I just want the shield
open bluff
blood/vdh were the easiest
exotic spoke
Guardian
sick sentinel
U have to remember some classes were easier then others for MT
Warrior mage tower shield
exotic spoke
Could fucking cheese it
stark fox
Really? I really struggled with bloos
sick sentinel
Best shield
lusty grotto
shit i 1 shot guardian, bdk, brm and prot pally
stark fox
Took me like 50-60 pulls
open bluff
brm was actually one of the hardest
exotic spoke
Flail best weapon
inner moth
I only did the DH one
lusty grotto
and vdh
modern brook
I did gaurdian in 7
inner moth
because its the only one that looks good (havoc)
exotic spoke
Just wish I could have the flail by itself and not the shield
lusty grotto
warrior took me around 50 attempts
modern brook
VDH was like ~25?
stark fox
When did you do them bull?
lusty grotto
because i did it super early
sick sentinel
But when did u do it and how high was ur gear
modern brook
end of 7.3
modern brook
VDH i did pre-fight nerf
lusty grotto
i did warrior at 890ish
open bluff
i one shot vdh/bdk/prot pal (vdh/bdk during 7.2)
sick sentinel
Tank MT was a joke since the start
open bluff
brm took a few pulls
modern brook
Tank MT was waaay over tuned at the start
sick sentinel
Ugh
modern brook
not sure what you're remembering
inner moth
i had the DH chest
sick sentinel
No it wasn't
inner moth
so it was cheesecake
lusty grotto
yea it was what the fuck INR
exotic spoke
Definitely depended on your legendaries if it was overturned or not for certain tanks
Had the right ones it was a lot easier
sick sentinel
Then either I was lucky or something because the hardest part was forgetting to use velens stun bomb on p2
lusty grotto
you probably didnt do it early on at all
sick sentinel
I did
lusty grotto
what ilvl were you
sick sentinel
Around 912-920
modern brook
thats like
sick sentinel
Ant was 940+
exotic spoke
Can check your achievements
modern brook
Heroic Tomb
exotic spoke
Or what’s your char name
sick sentinel
Wow blocked
exotic spoke
I can do it rq
sick sentinel
Phone doesn't have the special a sign
exotic spoke
If you want*
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
No fun allowed job
exotic spoke
Is it POYO with a certain character?
lusty grotto
yeah i did it before ToS opened
warm plinth
I got that shit way after it was nerfed. I was like 929 ilevel XD
warm plinth
Only one I did pre-nerfs was my windwalker, which I did before DBM even had the scenarios done. 💪
lusty grotto
lol
warm plinth
But yeah you'd likely need them for the tank one, at least for smashes and drain life
And TR
exotic spoke
No add on other than DBM
exotic spoke
I don’t remember if it did when I had it
warm plinth
Yeah DBM took like 3 or 4 days to update for them iirc
exotic spoke
I didn’t use WA
Maybe it did
But I was a dwarf then. So I had that for a bleed Incase I ducked up
lusty grotto
honestly the only things that i tracked with WA was the knockback from infernals and the cast from Kruul for reflect
and even the knockback was easy to avoid by strafing around
Maw trinket was so good for it
especially if you got a TF/WF
to pump dps
warm plinth
Maw trinket? The Angerboda trinket?
lusty grotto
yea
i think i used that and WoD Heirloom
but im not 100% on the WoD heirloom
i just know it was decent demon damage
warm plinth
I was kinda disappointed that the windwalker challenge was so easy to outgear. Aside from the healer challenge, I think mechanically it was the most interesting.
The lower your gear, the more attention you had to pay to things like the sonic scream from the worm and making sure you didn't get hit by the worm/stunned by the totem.
Like if I missed paralyzing a scream when I did it on my first monk, it was almost guaranteed a wipe.
Super frustrating but it was really great-feeling when I finally completed it 30ish attempts later.
exotic spoke
Some racial made it easy. As a dwarf when I completed it I actually fucked something up but stone formed it off - the healing Debuff I believe
warm plinth
Healing debuff? Which challenge are we talking about?
stark fox
When I was doing the blood dk one, a lot of the time velen would just die on me lmao.
warm plinth
Oh that
lusty grotto
as a warrior you had to reflect or interrupt it
exotic spoke
Or stone form
lusty grotto
or stone form yeah
exotic spoke
Cause you fucked it
warm plinth
@stark fox I had the same issue with my DK because you had to actually hit the horrors to aggro them (or actually heal HP which was hard because you were always full HP), whereas on warrior if you heroic throwed one, they all came
Ended up only DSing to full if I absolutely had to when they were about to spawn, so I could pop a DS on one when they started moving and get aggro because he kept dying to them
stark fox
The only things I struggled with were belen dying and infernal knocking me off because as a dk there was no recovery. I didnt have WAs or anything at the time for it so that would of saved me a lot lol
warm plinth
Yeah and I was too stubborn to bring gliders 😂
lusty grotto
goblin gliders worked for every class
stark fox
I didnt know gliders worked
warm plinth
Well I didn't have to use charge/leap/anything on warrior so I was determined to do it without on the DK too
stark fox
So fml
modern brook
I also didnt bring CHEATING items into he MT
warm plinth
I mean glider was a one-time save. If you got hit by 2 you were still fucked
modern brook
how about u dont get knocked off like a man?
modern brook
UHhh pots are illegal
thank you
great joke
I know
Amazing ur so funny
I know
warm plinth
I actually didn't bring pots or flasks or drums on my warrior. Think I'm made of money?
lusty grotto
🚪 👈
warm plinth
But was also 929 as I said earlier
modern brook
TBH that was just a set up
warm plinth
So didn't really need them
modern brook
so get memed
lusty grotto
🗞
warm plinth
You know how you could easily beat Kruul?
modern brook
@lusty grotto how come u dont run with me anymore
warm plinth
Tich fang. Leech meme build 😏
lusty grotto
youre never online
lusty grotto
its not
lusty grotto
you know how much time i spend looking for rogues
"oh let me look at my friends list, shit no rogues are on"
i need to purge it
it seems that every 2 weeks i gotta start adding people again
lusty grotto
ok i will
modern brook
and 90% of the time im not at my computer im watching kitchen nightmares
lusty grotto
lmao
exotic spoke
Is there a list of shit DiD racial clears?
sick sentinel
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/moonrunner/cerebella
So I tracked down my warrior somehow still in the system (with the old ilvl system) and looked at my current warrior for the MT achieve
I got the MT on my warrior in December but started my attempts prior
I knew I wasn't crazy, 912-920 was were I was around since ToS was just new at the time
Since 915 is is Norm ant/mythic tos and 930 was hero ant
And ant didn't open until Jan of 2018 I believe
So I got it in 7.3 basically
Or .2.5 I guess idk
zinc spoke
you can no longer farm both 10 man and 25 man for legacy raids right
sick sentinel
U can if they were 10/25 versions
zinc spoke
i tried with naxx this week and my instances looked like they were synced
sick sentinel
Certain raids u can
honest canopy
sick sentinel
U could check on wowhead or YouTube to find out what others can
I think it has to do with raids that had heroic mode I think
So u can do a 10 man Norm and a 25 man hero, but I'm not 100% sure
lusty grotto
for any raids that you can't do 10 and 25 versions meaning they are combined
you get the both type of drops from each boss
like ulduar for example
its kind of a shitty system
but what can you do
dark lark
General tank/shot calling question for Underrot 18+- Elder Leaxa: Right now I'm setting kick order as me, rogue, monk, with our boomkin as "backup"; When add comes out the timing works out that I can kick the first add's blood bolt, and reflect the second. More often than not I get shot by something anyway and basically instantly die. Is there a different convention I should be using? Should we be insta kicking the beginnings of casts? Or near the end?
We've been saving lust for the add to try and blow it up asap
dusky summit
dont you basically just lose a kick for bringing a boomkin
dark lark
unfortunately
dusky summit
I would think that would contribute to the bolts getting off
exotic spoke
You should have plenty of interrupts
When I ran with frost mage, spriest, DH, myself, rdruid we did
I do the same thing you do - interrupt first cast by add and reflect second
dusky summit
did you do it on fort though?
exotic spoke
I didn’t get hit.
There’s plenty of interrupts and I’ve done highish (18-19) tyrannical / fort keys.
If someone screws an interrupt shield wall it - but you should have plenty I imagine.
Personally I’d lust on pull.
Everyone has pots and CDs going it works out to more dps. Add should almost one shot itself and be cleaved down quickly
Kick towards end of casts - always btw
That’s more time they aren’t hitting you because they are casting something that is going to be kicked / reflected
dark lark
Thanks riki
exotic spoke
You’re welcome. What healer are you running with?
Your boomie will@likely have to cover one while the add is up. But you can get back into the rotation after it’s down. Also, call for an external if you need it and no interrupt is available
dark lark
Typically a mw monk
Ironically, the highest underrot I've timed was with all pugs
Rogue dh boom
So maybe my dps are holding me back, or I got carried by those pugs. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle 😂
exotic spoke
You got it
sand egret
Me and my Co-worker looking at the new raid fight being tested now:
Me: "Oh look at that, a nice match-this mechanic off the jump"
Co-Worker, who is Blue/Green colorblind: "Fuck"
exotic spoke
Rip
What about colorblind mode would that help
Also, I’m honestly debatingrace changing from space goat
sand condor
Space goats aren’t chad enough
exotic spoke
Fuck you they aren’t - that heal and overall additional 425 strength all the time is nice
Sorry... that was rude
sand egret
if you're going goat...at least go flashlight goat
they can fuckin nuke shit from orbit for like 100k
exotic spoke
I can heal shit for like 200k
sand egret
but that's wack
exotic spoke
You’re wack
sand egret
not wrong
exotic spoke
Also, the 425 strength is nice
sand egret
and wack knows wack
exotic spoke
Eh, true but stil. I dunno
sand egret
so either go Nite Lite Goat, or SpicyBoi
exotic spoke
Spicy boi being DiD?
But more haste from gnome
I know it doesn’t matter - and they all have their niches - just debating
sand egret
look it's pretty clear cut:
A) It's not a gnome
B) It's not an Elf
C) It's got a dope beard game
Find the race that is YES to all of these
sand egret
why dorf females don't have beard options = baffling
it's like the best part of the race
heck if there was literally just a race that was a beard model and nothing else, I'd play it
exotic spoke
Lol
lusty grotto
Beard mcbeards
exotic spoke
Beardy McBeardface?
lusty grotto
yes
dapper yacht
i was using this macro to combine avatar with trinket but it stopped working any pointers:
#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/use 13
ebon hound
Switch your trinkets back
strong forum
i finally got my first ever 425, on pally though
umbral forge
No that's a lot worse than mine
lusty grotto
/use 13 is the top trinket slot, make sure you have the proper on use trinket equipped there.... otherwise do /use 14 for the bottom one @dapper yacht
lol jettom
exotic spoke
Lol
Now people are trying to bribe me into NElf so we can have a 5 NElf group
Ethically I think I have to take a stand
lusty grotto
is it tofu?
exotic spoke
No, it’s the group I runnwith. If I change the dwarf spriest will change
lusty grotto
yes, its tofu
exotic spoke
It’s not Tofu. You saw who I runnwith
I don’t even think it’s people in here at all
lusty grotto
what you dont know, its that 3 of your group members are secretly tofu
exotic spoke
@harsh heron I stand corrected one is here @lusty bay two are!
lusty grotto
yes
they are tofu
otherwise why would they be in warrior discord
we're onto you @outer dew
my logic is flawless
lusty grotto
shhh he doesnt know
outer dew
i'm doing god's work
umbral forge
Hi Riki
exotic spoke
Hi
exotic spoke
I... I don’t know if I can do it. I received approval from a nightborne warrior....
sand egret
Imagine having to be a Night Elf....for like everything OTHER than the moment you hit SMeld in a M+
sand egret
if only I could dodge the thought of being a NE
exotic spoke
I mean, I said if someone else pays for it I’ll put my change, with limited options, up as a poll for raid / M+ to vote on
sand egret
but how much is your dignity worth?
exotic spoke
About 25 bucks actually
sand egret
considering inflation?
exotic spoke
Less then?
sand egret
plus, do you really want Tofu to like you? Dude gave up on Bears
exotic spoke
I think most people in raid will vote on something non elf
exotic spoke
That’s what the healer wants
exotic spoke
I’m just saying, if I don’t have to pay for it
Ill let them vote
I love democracy
sand egret
Things that will continue to be important in WoW encounter design:
- Debuffs
Things that are prone to be changed pretty easily: - Combat rules, Truesight on mobs
sand egret
yeah, still helps with not needing to death skip
umbral forge
Your first sentence is correct
sand egret
but also: it goes out the window when you have non-NE
so i still say both Dwarf varieties have significantly more staying power
in both Raid and M+
Blizzard utilizes the Bleed debuff type heavily to provide a baseline damage threat to tanks
exotic spoke
The dwarf spriest would swap to NElf too if I do
strong forum
i accidentally started to use this font and then stuck with it
exotic spoke
What font?
strong forum
and now its pretty comf
strong forum
from my screenshot 1hr ago, people always start to get a headache when seeing my font
undone sun
roboto condensed or nothing at all 😡
lusty grotto
robot condensed is a saint of a font
umbral forge
Just gonna say
after I started to genuinely avoid playing with germans, leaving groups with germans in them, not inviting people from german servers
I have enjoyed WoW A LOT More
lusty grotto
almost like my fetish of Fira Code for coding
oblique garnet
i like comic sans : )
undone sun
how does it feel to be wrong
lusty grotto
comic sans lul
oblique garnet
Idk ive never been wrong : )))))
lusty grotto
better than jettom's font
hey i thought germans were cool people
after WW2 i mean
😉
undone sun
😅
strong forum
Im all about that big noodle titling
ebon geyser
anyone else lost their loa buff before the 7days?
lusty grotto
No, I don't race change
zealous shell
For mythic plus, crystaline carapace or blood siphon?
oblique garnet
@zealous shell both are good options do you want more defensive or more offensive its entirely up to that
zealous shell
I think I'd want more defense
lusty grotto
hmm
orchid token
i think blood siphon is probably better at both
sick sentinel
Blood siphon
Ay @umbral forge
I screenshotted that
And I'm going to ping the 2 germans on my mplus discord and send the screenshot
overwhelming power or blood siphon?
i can never remember if flat stats or procs are better for tank output
Generally, flat stats
We like consistency
But
OP is a lot of fucking haste
Would still probably go blood siphon idk
@oblique garnet help this man
oblique garnet
hm?
sick sentinel
OP or blood siphon
oblique garnet
for what situation?
sick sentinel
mainly M+
oblique garnet
OP
sick sentinel
ty
Tbh I swapped off my OP for a second UF
Game feels slow
And I replaced my atal trinket for opulence
And it's even slower
I can't do insane burst st dps anymore
With lust and prepot I was pulling some insane 35k openers sometimes
orchid token
OP for everything or quit the game
sick sentinel
Oh and btw, fuck opulence trinket lmao
Legit using it rn because it has a hole and it is 15 ilvls worth of str
oblique garnet
idk kage you can do 35k st openers with bl
even with defensive trinkets
its just all about the rng of ss resets
sick sentinel
Tbf I got 1 SS crit in 10 slams
With 35% crit
Might had to do with it
And I think like 2 crit claps
Ofc I will take it in some high keys tho first
And to be to the item, you are not going to let diamond recharge to full ever
For any reason
So it doesn't have to do with constant damage
sick sentinel
Hey guys wanted to know a few good macros and addons for tanking
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Go to sleep
oblique garnet
Oi m8 im just looking after you
orchid token
Now kiss
mint adder
does anyone have a cancel heals macro to die on jaina?
orchid token
Far more important than cancelaura is remembering to turn your back
sick sentinel
Or /sit
orchid token
turning your back is still critical to do, because chilling touch ticks will stand you back up and you can still RNG a crit block between being standing up and sitting again
sick sentinel
Hey gang, was wondering if omen is still up to date or are they any other threat bar addon
astral crystal
details has a good threat meter
sick sentinel
Ok thanks again lol
I installed a few and it’s telling me that I need to update it. But it says it’s been updated on curse
autumn fog
For shits and giggles what’s the best alliance race? I know it’s min/max as hell but still
autumn fog
Assuming dark iron for cleanse + dps
lavish oracle
Yeah, Dark Iron is probably the most well rounded, nelf is for shadowmeld cheese
autumn fog
Meld only really worth if whole party is nelfs tho
lavish oracle
You can make it work with 4/5 nelfs, but yeah
exotic spoke
Shadowmeld isn’t going to be as important after this season imo
Democracy has spoken @sand egret You'll be happy to know... DiD is the winner
exotic spoke
Democracy voted
I didn't
I stand by the people's decision
Otherwise I'd be a dictator
Hate those honesty
Can’t get the picture of them from vanilla out of my head
@lusty grotto ToS 20
Trying something new
Same twitch
willow scarab
Dwarves are ugly play elves
I can give you my cancelaura when I get home @sick sentinel
You’ll have to put your own things like diamond into it because I don’t use diamond
Also obviously amend based on the healers you have
drowsy relic
is it me or does prot pallies do almost as much damage as prot warriors this patch??
and their st is even higher than prot in M+
sick sentinel
@willow scarab what is diamond. I am still new at this addon thing and I just reached 120. I want to start raiding and want to be well Equipped for it
spice ferry
@drowsy relic yeh protpal can pop off big time
im gearing mine atm, think they'll be a strong contender next tier
especially since ST affix
orchid token
prot paladin does as much damage as warrior does, it's just every 2mins instead of every 1min
overall will typically be 10-15% lower
it will be even in 8.2 with no further changes
mortal brook
they just replaced Engine essence D:
ionic fern
What.
warm plinth
smh
orchid token
the two will be more or less even at that point
prot warrior still substantially ahead defensively
prot paladin ahead on utility
even on DPS
pick your preference
ionic fern
Also, good morning.
warm plinth
Morning Mwahi
ionic fern
Man..i just found out that Horde has no RP in SoB after 3rd boss while alliance has to wait for the RP for like 10-15s in order to get to the last boss.
Smh.
😒
warm plinth
^
ionic fern
After killing the 3rd boss the door is closed.
warm plinth
I play alliance almost exclusively; I've never noticed it. Do you mean the swirlies?
warm plinth
It's always open by the time I get to it 🤔
warm plinth
Interesting. Maybe I'm just so shocked we survived the boss fight with my group that it takes me a bit to get over there.
ionic fern
Maybe
We usually kill the boss around there.
Not that it matters cause you know...RP.
😒
warm plinth
Oh not me, we got fucking ice all over the arena by the time my tank is finished with us.
ionic fern
It wasn't annoying before but now that i know that horde doesn't have it..now it's annoying.
warm plinth
So we're wherever the tiny open space is
ionic fern
😂
warm plinth
Maybe that's the price we pay for having a dodgeable hook on 1st boss 😏
warm plinth
Yeah someone mentioned to me the other day that horde doesn't have the dogs???
ionic fern
Nope.
warm plinth
Dafuq is that
I was giving someone advice like yeah you wanna kill the dog ASAP. "...what dogs?"
I thought they were crazy until I went and watched like 4 videos to prove to myself they weren't there.
ionic fern
I'm like 80% sure they don't have the fire guys as well.
warm plinth
Dat horde favoritism 😂
exotic spoke
What are “reasons why siege isn’t included in MDI - because blizzard can’t balance it for the factions for 2000? Alex”
warm plinth
lol
exotic spoke
Get to start learning high sieges on Monday. This week has been rough at times for learning 20+ keys
orchid token
@ionic fern yep no bombers for horde
i did siege horde on my alt the other day and the instance is easily like half as difficult for horde
that whole first section of trash is essentially autoattacking mobs with no abilities
exotic spoke
At times, ie first boss of UR, it felt fine. At others, 2nd boss of UR, it fucking wrecked us
orchid token
horde has no dogs, no packmasters, no bombers, no raiders
exotic spoke
Jesus seriously? I knew about dogs and rp but not that shit
orchid token
those four mobs being the hardest four in the entire instance
orchid token
*game
exotic spoke
Pure bullshit
warm plinth
An undodgeable hook
warm plinth
XD
orchid token
1st boss is slightly harder i guess
exotic spoke
But the book is slow as shit
warm plinth
But yeah considering how consistent they're trying to make MDI, it's no wonder they don't have Siege in there.
exotic spoke
Isn’t it for horde?
warm plinth
You can't dodge it for horde. It tracks the target.
exotic spoke
No right, but it’s a slow drag isn’t it?
orchid token
yeah
exotic spoke
That you run against
warm plinth
It's a silence too iirc
exotic spoke
Versus if we get hooked cause you fucked op you’re dead
exotic spoke
Oh with and through?
orchid token
it breaks once you touch him
exotic spoke
Yeah makes sense.
orchid token
its a "harder" boss because the mechanic is unintuitive
intuition says run against it
so its "harder" in that sense
but easier overall i think
exotic spoke
Where as alliance is easier / but less forgiving
Sorry
More intuitive but less forgiving
I’ll put it that way
orchid token
yes, if you get meathooked as alliance you're dead
exotic spoke
Yeah, agree
orchid token
for horde once you know what to do with it its trivial
ionic fern
That's random tho..why would they make it like that for ONE dungeon.
warm plinth
Org looks like shit already. Let them suffer with it.
ionic fern
Especially with the "Dungeons designed for m+".
M+ is competitive..why make a difference in one dungeon.
exotic spoke
Cause everyone runs nelf in MDI?
warm plinth
Siege isn't in the MDI though; it's not part of the line-up.
exotic spoke
Truth, I’m just reaching here
ionic fern
I mean on live servers.
exotic spoke
Maybe it’s to punish us for having elves?
ionic fern
😒
warm plinth
Isn't having male nelves punishment enough?
exotic spoke
Swapping to DiD this weekend
The people have decided
I also like that model better than the regular dwarf
warm plinth
Yeah I mean it's basically just a better dwarf in every way except (imo) the heritage set.
exotic spoke
Anyway, nights
warm plinth
Later
ionic fern
I'd like it more if i had more transmog options other than the BRF set.
warm plinth
I want them to release heritage weapons
Idk how they managed to make so many heritage sets completely unusable except with 1 or 2 weapons
ionic fern
I legit have 0 heritage items/sets.
warm plinth
What race is your warrior?
ionic fern
I usually keep it as DID but if there's a easy week coming up i just blast with LFD.
😄
So like..90% DID
10% LFD
warm plinth
Ah
ionic fern
My healer doesn't like it that much since then he has to heal me more if i get bleed stacks or reaping.
😢
I saw that.
warm plinth
lol. I didn't try to hide it. I just think leaving big gifs in the chat is an eyesore for people
ionic fern
Jep.
warm plinth
Especially Justin Timberlake crying into a river
coral jasper
If that doesn't turn you on then IMO should be dead IRL buy they're just me
digital frigate
orchid token
@warm plinth do you mean dark iron is aesthetically a better dwarf?
Because gameplay wise regular dwarf is better in all ways
More DPS and more defense
umbral forge
Eh
warm plinth
Yes, they look better except for the heritage armor.
umbral forge
They lost their war for a reason I suppose.
neon tangle
@ionic fern siege is a bit extreme but I like that it’s a different experience for each side
I don’t really blame blizz for not designing every dungeon around m+ when there’s other gameplay/lore stuff to make it interesting as well
drowsy relic
are there any good m+ azerite guides?
kinda weird that theres no spreadsheets for prot war while its the fotm
ionic fern
I mean...idm the trash. But letting alliance wait 15s for a RP in a timed run while the other side doesn't have to waste the time is just plain stupid design
I'm not interested in "lore stuff" when i'm pushing keys.
In m0, sure, leave the RP there for alliance.
But leaving it there in m+ for only one side..🤷
@drowsy relic anything more specific in minD?
There's a guide on azerite on icy-veins:
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-azerite-traits-powers-and-armor
neon tangle
@ionic fern I would be pretty happy with them killing RP in all m+ honestly
Before bosses in SOTS
I’d love a gong or something to speed up the miniboss pulls in KR
hardy geyser
You could just add 15 seconds to the alliance timer of SoB.
ionic fern
If both sides have the RP idc.
But if only one side has it it's bad.
hardy geyser
Isn’t the trash on alliance side different for the first few minutes aswell?
half palm
remove racials
hardy geyser
Remove races and factions
unborn island
Siege triggers me so hard, why the fuck can no groups do it in time
I'm noob, But it's the only +15 I still need for the achi, yet I still fail
Done KR and Shrine up to 17, but SoB 15 just seems to be undoable by pug groups >.<
brittle owl
the biggest time sink in siege is the monkey area and the trash outside the 3rd boss (and the 4th boss but you can't do anything about that)
on tyr i usually lust after the second boss and do a giga monkey+giant pull
without the mass monkey pull its super close
and on fort as well
really you need to maximise lust timings and the trash before 3rd boss
those are the points where a key fails in puts
pugs*
ionic fern
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