@halcyon perch checked your other kills and its a pretty constant issue of underusing thunderclap
#protection
sick sentinel
Most dps checks become irrelevant like third week
orchid token
they are but if you're not 90%+ parsing as a tank you're doing the defensive rotation wrong too
so the philosophy that bad DPS tanks usually espouse of "I focus on defense not DPS" is outright wrong
sick sentinel
We literally had to stop dps at 70 on rastakhan
orchid token
there are some exceptions ofc
sick sentinel
And we had 7 wipes on conclave because we were killing it too fast
willow scarab
Yeah we had to stop P1 Jaina
orchid token
but mostly your DPS rotation and your defensive rotation are going to be the same thing
sick sentinel
On our reclear yday
willow scarab
First kill is for high blues / purples / low oranges and defensive play
2nd kill is for 99s and grey healing logs
willow scarab
Our 1st jaina I ended P1 on 9.5k, last night I ended on 15.9
i was a lot happier on last nights kill
orchid token
using TC on cooldown, not munching any SS procs, and filling every GCD is enough to get purples
sick sentinel
^^
orchid token
and all of that is good defensive play too
willow scarab
prot logs aren't competitive until like 98%
orchid token
i think this is just 3 dudes agreeing with each other
willow scarab
This is
sick sentinel
It is lmao
willow scarab
Pre 98 is just a badge for playing properly
sick sentinel
I just argued with fume on dps mattering
sick sentinel
I still believe there are hardly any dps checks tbh
willow scarab
Everything is nicer with bigger dps
sick sentinel
Most of them are mechanical checks
orchid token
mechanical checks are dps checks because the quicker you push shit the less chance for monkeys to fuck the mechanics
sometimes that monkey is you and sometimes its not but the important thing is less chance to fuck up
sick sentinel
Plague of fire 👀
orchid token
plague of fire is for hps parses
sick sentinel
Some mongo gets it and gives it to the tank
I was spread
Tank leaps above me to go get bobsalami
Gives it to me
While I'm charging in melee
willow scarab
imagine it being 2019 and not having a dk solo tank with res totem
orchid token
*paladin
sick sentinel
Our dk was on his warrior
He wanted the ring
I think
He's a dk main anyhow
Just went warrior for mplus and yayna
willow scarab
I have a less cool story
I recovered my old BC-cata account because I was drunk and messaged a GM
Merged it with my main account
willow scarab
gained 2k achieves and heaps of old titles/mounts/pets/toys/xmog
orchid token
did u get the immortal
willow scarab
I wish
I wasn't good in wotlk
I did get battlemaster and all the vanilla/bc/wotlk/cata reps that I hadn't grinded on new account yet
They didn't transfer over my rank 11 Feat of Strength from vanilla though
sick sentinel
Isn't that one character specific?
low summit
i believe it is
full spruce
Rank 11...pathetic
full spruce
R14 or not worth discussing
full spruce
Yeah no way you’d make that 4 week standing 1 push
willow scarab
rank 14 more like 7 people playing the same account for 24/7 uptime
full spruce
I did it solo and working 40hrs a week.
Was afraid to account share and lose the work I did if reported
full spruce
There was 2 alliance who held r14 and/or standing 1 and 2 for a solid year.
Rip any alliance US Daggerspine during that time
full spruce
Only now. I was just a resto shaman in the day
At least my nuts pays off now guild killed jaina so I get my turn to take over on reclears. Now to get 9/9 on all 6 tanks. DH might be dicey on Jaina though
sick sentinel
you can still CE when essences are out
civic oriole
Hey, second Deafening Crash or Incite the Pack? The other trait on the second DC piece is bad. Cause the guide says I only want one DC.
sick sentinel
8.2 will still be BoD
@civic oriole incite the pack is not half bad, I have seen both Marok and Sense use it
full spruce
I’ll prob get CE in a week so not worried
civic oriole
@sick sentinel DC is mainly taken for the def buff, not the damage bonus on TC, right?
civic oriole
Yeah that was my question. Cause I wont gain any more def from a second.
Thank you.
full spruce
Just big dam
sick sentinel
that does not mean you aren't an example to avoid
ionic fern
🤷
Nothing wrong with stacking it.
sick sentinel
we can talk about this
ionic fern
Sure, shoot.
sick sentinel
I saw a spreadsheet being made comparing IF and DC's damage
sick sentinel
anyway
so my point is
while a second or a third DC would be more damage, other traits that also have defensive value also give a bunch of damage
ionic fern
Jeah, definetly.
That's why i always clarify "For pure AoE DPS purposes".
sick sentinel
and I am talking for pure key completion purposes
ionic fern
Yeah
sick sentinel
most of the time, unless you are pushing something in the high 23s or whatever damage will not an issue
if you don't have deaths, the key will be timed
ionic fern
And warriors are beefy enough with adequate play that you'll survive non the less.
sick sentinel
I would rather do 3m damage and have 500 more block than do 4m more damage
with a 415 shield and one IF I was still getting hit for 55k damage though block
ionic fern
🤔
sick sentinel
from mobs like the enforcers of freehold on 22 fort
or the champions in first room KR
ionic fern
I mean..if you feel like you need the extra survivability no one's stopping you.
I have yet to feel like i'm getting smacked by pure physical damage.
sick sentinel
I will not tell you to not stack 3dc
you can do whatever you want
you can time 20s with it because of how you play the spec
I am not against people that know what they are doing going 100% dps build
I am against when those people that go full dps builds give advice to people that do not play the spec that well
to go full dps
that is my problem
ionic fern
And i'm against when people say that "No, don't do it regardless" when it's actually do-able and brings it's own benefits.
Rather for example say something in the lines of "Yeah, it's not adviced if you're still learning the spec BUT you can stack it if you are comfortable with the spec and are looking for more DPS oriented ways".
sick sentinel
and until you get to +21s or so, dps is not a problem
ionic fern
Aka both sides of the coin.
sick sentinel
adequate play will be enough to finish the key with more than 3 mins left
ionic fern
Dw, we can still go the way we are going now.
You can tell them not to stack DC's regardless and i'll hop in and tell them that they can stack it if they want for pure AoE DPS purposes when they are comfortable with their survivability.
sick sentinel
I think we just just agree to reach a middle ground here
ionic fern
True.
We just got x2 KR's 21's in our group..not looking forward to starting with those. 😦
Well, more our healer than me.
sand egret
Ya’ll are just too fuckin cute right now.
Coming together like that. D’aww
Your civility is breaking my heart!
oblique garnet
This is a good week for kr mwahi
sand egret
Nah
ionic fern
I mean it's just discussions - it's normal that people have different understandings/experiences etc..doesn't mean one is wrong and the other is right. 😄
sand egret
This is a good week for Kr
sand egret
Well, that “to full mong dps build or not to full mong dps build” debate has gone QUITE differently in the past....haha
ionic fern
Eh, guess it depends on the people contributing to the discussion.
sick sentinel
I could call him retarded and stupid for having a different opinion than me
or
get this
I could have a civil discussion
ionic fern
Plus i know Kaege is a good player and gives solid advice in general..him saying not to stack it isn't completely wrong.
Just situational and depends on what people want and how experienced they are.
sick sentinel
like for example, my group's dps might be a lot more than other people's group's dps
so I can afford going more defensive
whereas other groups might want more damage
ionic fern
Jep, so many different variables.
sand egret
I know why ya’ll did what ya did, I just liked the change in pace from the usual way that one goes
just take the compliment, ya derps.
pastel holly
i have seen a Wa which automarks important enemies in trashgroups. Anygot got it?
sick sentinel
in
sick sentinel
Pog
sick sentinel
grats!
signal plover
We're gonna have a bunch of folks that get AotC when we kill Jaina.
Cuz we only did her once on heroic
Had the same thing with Ghuun
charred vigil
^ carry me bro!
dusk locust
heh we had one person who got aotc g'huun i think the week before we got mythic g'huun
dusk locust
but getting aotc on the mythic fight is pretty funny
honest canopy
I want that damn trink1
dusk locust
we just started getting to the elemental on jaina so we're getting there
currently planning to do the strat where you kill the ele though i need to work out what the tanks are doing
mortal brook
killing ele like blizz intended? D:
sick sentinel
many people do that on re-kills
willow scarab
@pastel holly did you get the WA?
I don't have the wago but I can send it to you in game
lusty grotto
i use this one https://wago.io/3bViaBtT1
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Do you have a paladin?
sick comet
Are there any pros to killing the elemental?
willow scarab
We kill it because we have so much extra time
Still get Nathanos out with enough time to not get stacks during phase and we have the ele split as the wall goes back down. makes for easy cleave and less to worry about in p3
sick comet
And you're killing the 2 New elementals as well?🤔
willow scarab
Yeah
Nathanos and big ele die at the same time
So you just drag the 2 small ones onto Jaina and they die in like 5 seconds
sick comet
I assume the small elementals also cast the volley?
willow scarab
They do
I think they cast HoF too but they die pretty much instantly you don't notice them
sick comet
Do you happen to know the health of the 2 New elementals?🤔
sick comet
Cheers, mate
vale salmon
So how powerful is leech on our gear? Just thinking about how high our damage output can get in aoe situations, I wonder what kind of weight it could pull
willow scarab
If you do 100k aoe dps at 10% leech you're doing 10k hps which is nice but it's not a big deal and 10% leech isn't easy to get
Nice to have, not worth sacrificing anything for
exotic spoke
Leech is great in so much as a bonus tertiary stat. Do NOT give up Ilvl for it
lime mantle
@vale salmon generally worthless the short answer is above, an even longer is:
Warrior high damage comes in Bursts either big (demo+avatar+BoM) where you are basically immortal to physical (60%+ grit block + 85-100% chance of block, half damage reduced@via IP AND 20% damage reduction or “just” block % and IP plus 20% reduction) which already heavily depreciates self healing via leech, to add on this the stats gained(should we assume you are dropping other stats for leech) would give you better damage and via that less damage taken as shit dies faster turning the extra heal useless. Turns out this sorta applies to all tanks because leech is a random stat. If you are asking “should I drop this crit+haste item for a vers+mastery+leech one at the same ilvl?” The answer is still probably not, but if you want leech go ahead the difference isn’t noticeable, but not like stats for warrior are supper imbalanced and skewed towards “stack X” like other classes, it is no longer legion.
Nerf clap and other tops have their own personal reasons to carry siphoning or aim for leech, which is resumed in them being used to another style of play and playing on another level.
Alternatively equip a 2 hander, leech and go arms then say you are a Bdk when people ask you why you deal less damage than the healers.
exotic spoke
I’d take it over other tertiaries (except maybe an indestructible shield) but only on equal Ilvl pieces
But that’s just because shields get beat to shit and it gets expensive really quickly
vale salmon
Neat, thanks
lime mantle
Other tertiaries are really useful! Don’t you want to move 1% faster???
oblique garnet
Nerf
Another level
Choose one
exotic spoke
But I can save several hundred or thousand gold per day depending on how many m+ i do
And, while not a good situation because you’ve already fucked your key, I may have had a shield break on the final boss of KR mid fight after it went from above yellow, to broken - with a death and brez
lime mantle
Just get good at farming/ERP/M+/IRL and sell your services for goldshekels.
Also same on a 18 td
Clutch save with an auto hammer
Mid pull 😹
exotic spoke
I’ve done that. And yeah I didn’t have one on me cause I was stupid.
Now I have the blacksmithing hammer and an indestructible shield
lime mantle
Then wiped because healer couldn’t survive dual bombs cuz he thought he could take it without bear@form and continue to deal damage
exotic spoke
Sold carries in legion. But with the change to not letting advertise in LfG it’s hard when you’re on a shit server
exotic spoke
Meh, it was getting out of hand so I understand why they did it
LfG is for finding groups - not for selling carries
The amount of carries being sold in legion in LfG was stupid
exotic spoke
Oh no you can sell in trade. That’s fine
But again, shitty broke server - we’d have to go to other servers and advertise and why go with us when you can get better recognized people from your server do it
lusty grotto
its tyrannical so depending on your key level and dps... witches can be difficult and even more so with grievous
especially if you don't have interrupt rotations to minimize damage on the group
but there are def tougher dungeons this week
wary lantern
what wrong with keys this week? my whole group got waycrest, so we went one to change it, and we got waycrest again
lusty grotto
rng is rng
wary lantern
my most hated dungeon
exotic spoke
I mean there’s only 9 dungeons in the game
Before you say anything the missing dungeon changes depending on the week
It’s a shame Motherlode doesn’t exist this week imo
exotic spoke
We just suck on the last boss
lusty grotto
sure you gotta kill jockeys asap cause you dont want bolstering on peacekeepers
exotic spoke
And with Grievous etc
Eh, you can Cc them when they go to get in and problem solved
exotic spoke
Also, want me to ping you again if we try to learn high keys nim? I believe it’s ToS and Ur for us tonight
sand egret
do the bombs still cause bolstering if you kill them
lusty grotto
cause even siege you can cheese the fuck out with a mega bolstered spotter
no they dont
sand egret
ok, good. that shit was fucking cancer
exotic spoke
So you can mock me / us as we fail or nit pick if we succeed
sand egret
Also, tfw my Bear has officially eclipsed my warrior's r.io. Finally started working on it again
lusty grotto
ya just ping me or whatever
sand egret
smallsy
lusty grotto
i will probably carry my brother's rogue through sub 15s tonight
sand egret
prob 1.3 now
lusty grotto
trying to get him geared
sand egret
this week just feels a lot easier on my furboi
lusty grotto
well its really a pull smart dps/heal affixes week
sand egret
yeah, but being able to control my grevious is the nice part
lusty grotto
sure
sand egret
so I can at least make up for a healer if they're struggling at a point
lusty grotto
boomies with resto affinity are good this week to help out heals too
though not specifically required
sand egret
yeah, finding moments to shift > Spike people up (like the last boss of TD) is great
lusty grotto
like boomies with resto affinity on bursting weeks are amazing
you can pull big and have np
exotic spoke
Obviously it’s why you should be a space goat with the idol. Between space goat, idol; pot, and healthstones you can help a lot
exotic spoke
Oof
lusty grotto
eh
good resto shamans do very well on grievous though
their mastery is great for it
sand egret
kinda
exotic spoke
Meanwhile - random dps is low I’ll either try to kill with idol or if I’m a magnanimous tank I’ll heal with space goat + shout or last stand
exotic spoke
Rsham? Yeah they can
lusty grotto
admittedly there will be not a lot of scenarios where they will be able to do so
with these affixes
sand egret
Link has potential to fail pretty hard this week
lusty grotto
just dont use link :p
lapis tapir
i need some help analyzing some logs, anyone available?
exotic spoke
I can in about 90 minutes. Not the best at it but decent.
willow scarab
@wary lantern Keys are okay this week, buy waycrest isn't
Tyrannical waycrest is already insane to heal, now you have grievous too
lusty grotto
I'll try to look at it on mobile but mobile wcl sucks dick
autumn pendant
Waycrest and temple
lusty grotto
Uhh WM isn't that difficult this week
autumn pendant
Big nope
lusty grotto
Temple is
autumn pendant
Temple
lusty grotto
Uhh
autumn pendant
Gonna make your healer sweat
lusty grotto
Galvzzt is wya tougher than sisters
lusty grotto
To heal, that is
willow scarab
We haven't had the same trouble on galv as we've had on sisters
not even close
in my experience
autumn pendant
At least in galv you have control over everything
lusty grotto
You can minimize damage on sisters by doing mechanics correctly
inland mesa
at high keys, they're all bad WCM, Temple, UR unless healers is god mode
lusty grotto
In galv you do mechanics and you take the damage up the ass
exotic spoke
And or trying to get the non active sisters to attack you as much as possible
willow scarab
idk about that one chew
Golden Serpent and Triad are the healer checks as far as I'm aware
I literally cannot push a 21 of either key with my current group
But we've done 21 ToS no problem
lusty grotto
With these affixes?
inland mesa
interesting our group has 20 WCM x 2, UR, and KR
willow scarab
With any
inland mesa
it's yuck
willow scarab
We time 20 URs like they're TDs
lusty grotto
Not with any
willow scarab
UR is a free +1
willow scarab
semantics
inland mesa
really, with grievous on 2nd boss?
willow scarab
KR first boss and WCM sisters is always gonna be tough regardless of affixes
the only one that matters is tyrannical
grievous just makes it even worse than it already is
but we couldn't even do those bosses with nothing but tyannical, numbers just too high
My first ever 20 key was a tyrannical ToS on grievous
willow scarab
Yes
Nobody is denying that
What I've been saying is that galv is not bad compared to triad and golden serpent
lusty grotto
Golden serpent you can cover with defensives
willow scarab
Golden serpent ticking 200k is bad
oblique garnet
galvazzt is on all
willow scarab
on one target
lusty grotto
And safeguard
oblique garnet
it doesnt tick 200k
willow scarab
Yes it does
oblique garnet
it doesnt
willow scarab
I've literally looked at details
tired dagger
Right but that's the only target taking damage when that happens
willow scarab
Near one shot damage every tick
lusty grotto
Tyrannical galv is tough, grievous galv is bad, grievous + tyrannical galv is fucking insane
oblique garnet
yes which is why you play with safeguard
willow scarab
No shit
tired dagger
If you're comparing identical keystone levels then yes serpent is probably worse
willow scarab
If tyrannical galv is so hard
tired dagger
Because nobody is doing a 24KR
willow scarab
then why was 20 grievous tyrannical tos my first 20
and i still haven't done kr/wcm above 20
oblique garnet
its not hard
lusty grotto
The fuck do I know
willow scarab
with the same healer
oblique garnet
yes but once you fall behind on grievious youre fucked
willow scarab
There is no way in this world that I can believe
that you both genuinely think
triad and serpent are easier than galv
oblique garnet
golden serpent is literally on one target
triad does literally nothing
Triad is all about managing the jagged neticles
willow scarab
It's not that simple
oblique garnet
if you have one person with neticles while its phasing its over
slim cosmos
Jagged nesticles
oblique garnet
you just need 2 kicks on the main target you and melee
willow scarab
Bolts, nettles, mark, MC, dire ritual / DPS check, the shit you gotta move constnatly to drop
galv has nothing but moving infront of pillar
oblique garnet
then you have 2 other kicks for the other add
willow scarab
Galv is one dimensional
honest canopy
Any one here on EU gaming during days and not evenings?
tired dagger
But that one dimension is very hard on your healer, and prot warr can't do anything to mitigate it like it can for triad or serpent
lusty grotto
Grievous ***
honest canopy
Cus i Will need a new tank partner
willow scarab
It doesn't matter what you have to do to drop it
The point is that you have more to take care of than galv
lusty grotto
Right and managing those mechanics minimizes damage whereas doing mechanics correctly on galv is still punishing on grievous
oblique garnet
Triad is not hard boss
If your group knows the mechanics
And doesnt phase the boss with jagged neticles up
willow scarab
I wonder if I'll ever say anything in this discord that you two will agree with
sick sentinel
yes late
lusty grotto
This is not an echo chamber :p
sick sentinel
but listen to this
our hunter got spit gold 4 times in a row
what is he supposed to do
lusty grotto
Feign one
oblique garnet
Preturtle
lusty grotto
Turtle one
willow scarab
You safeguard him and then the fight is easy didn't you hear
oblique garnet
Yes
oblique garnet
Quite many people
Kaege is higher
Mwahi is higher
Melva is higher
Im few scores behind him
Whats your point?
oblique garnet
Bromigo is 3.3-3.4k iirc
warm plinth
Once in a great while
willow scarab
So it's Bromgi > mwahi > melva > sense > late > kaege > me
oblique garnet
He used tp
warm plinth
Last message was 4/14
willow scarab
out of people who post
willow scarab
hell yeah dude get it
willow scarab
59 > 3.4k
oblique garnet
He knows more than most people tbh
willow scarab
Knowledge and experience are different though
Ideally you want advice from someone with both
oblique garnet
Also fumeiyo whats your comp that you run with?
willow scarab
Prot/ele/dh/rogue/rdruid
warm plinth
I agree Fum. Knowledge only gets you so far.
oblique garnet
🤔
willow scarab
There are 10 ish players who I play with though
willow scarab
I don't do that many keys, I'm 2700 the people I play with are 2800-3k
oblique garnet
- wall
warm plinth
But I do have a brain as well. So I feel pretty comfortable giving advice on situations because I can think them through fairly well.
XD
willow scarab
But if the same healer can do grievous tyrannical galv but not tyrannical triad no grievous
triad is harder that is my anecdotal answer
oblique garnet
Because the first sister has the healing reduction
willow scarab
sometimes we barely phase during the suicide cast
willow scarab
sometimes we're blasting the boss sometimes we're almost dying to the aoe
inconsistent
oblique garnet
Sometimes a bonding moment sometimes not i see xD
Its the same with my group
Its just specific bosses where people choke
Yazna and 3rd boss in UR come to mind
willow scarab
3rd boss in UR?
We spaghetti 1st boss or I don't have leap ready for the "charge / indigestion" random cast
3rd is always joke to us
Strange how different groups have opposite issues
oblique garnet
Well 3rd boss and our rogue
He just cant catch a break
Everytime we hit that boss he chokes
ember arrow
Wow good?
ember arrow
Better than legion?
lusty grotto
Still shit levko
oblique garnet
Better than early legion yes
warm plinth
3rd boss UR
Rogue
Not good
wut?
ember arrow
Ok ty, have a nice day 👋
willow scarab
just get juuicy shockwaves so you take care of half the room alone
oblique garnet
Idk its just personal issues hes choked it so many times i quess the nerves get to him
willow scarab
making dps job braindead is the best strat
warm plinth
Weird
oblique garnet
Yeah he dies to upheaval
warm plinth
Wat
oblique garnet
Good player up until that point
sand egret
3rd UR boss is polarizing.
you can sleep through it or wonder how the fuck you even got to that point in the first place
warm plinth
How long do Twitch clips stay?
sand egret
depends on what they set
willow scarab
UR is definitely one of the easiest dungeons though
oblique garnet
Yeah for sure
sand egret
but I believe it defaults to 90 days?
warm plinth
Oh; I need to save my favorite Late clip somehow then
willow scarab
Someone in my guild links a clip from legion where the rogue gets a 5 buff then dies instantly to boss melee on pull
lusty grotto
Depends if you're affiliated too
oblique garnet
Ur has little to no damage if played correctly
warm plinth
😉
willow scarab
So they must save at least 1 year
oblique garnet
What clip is it ghash
warm plinth
The explosive one
lusty grotto
Affiliates get longer vod decay
sand egret
ah I guess clips do differ from VODs
oblique garnet
LUL
lusty grotto
There's no reason why they shouldn't be given how short they are
warm plinth
Yeah Stewart is short and we keep him around forever
lusty grotto
Wait I haven't seen it link
sand egret
I can think of at least two reasons 😃
warm plinth
I'll link it when this conference call is over. Can't do Twitch on work laptop so I have to do it from my phone
sand egret
and I can demystify that statement...
with two reasons Amazon/Twitch gave me for why 😃
lusty grotto
I mean a short enough clip that brings people to your site is worth it in i/o cost
warm plinth
@lusty grotto https://clips.twitch.tv/SmoothSparklingHamburgerTinyFace
lusty grotto
Ah
sand egret
as is most of the reasons you see stuff like that be done at the end of the day
lusty grotto
Lmao late
oblique garnet
It wasnt even me who said that xD
willow scarab
You said you were just behind sense's io
lusty grotto
Well blade those are edge cases
willow scarab
I've been decieved
oblique garnet
Has sense pushed?
willow scarab
2760
I deal with explosive by backpedalling with the pack so the dps have a clear shot at them
I thought that was the standard?
oblique garnet
with reaping theres too many nameplates unless you have explosives filters set from elvui
Which my dps players didnt have
sand egret
the song choice in that clip makes it
lusty grotto
A legal issue is def an edge case on the whole clip functionality having a requirement to be stored indefinitely
sand egret
not really, when the test itself is a matter of security
warm plinth
Yeah they clearly didn't have good nameplates because it really shouldn't be that hard lol. Late's stand out pretty well, almost as good as mine. They just obviously aren't well prepared XD
willow scarab
I never set custom filters for it but my elvui automatically did it for me
warm plinth
Yeah Plater did it for me
warm plinth
Worth it
oblique garnet
So we thought we could 2 chest 22 by pulling bit bigger
lusty grotto
OK so if it's part of the requirements to not store copyrighted songs, I can see what you mean blade
willow scarab
I don't know why the DPS wait until a clean 22 to start saying stupid shit like "pull bigger, we've got the damage"
warm plinth
I actually thought you guys were gonna time that 20 AD even after the kinda meh start
willow scarab
like... we are gonna time it just chill out
lusty grotto
Otherwise you would have to explain
sand egret
feeds into their ability to moderate said clips
willow scarab
and voila you pull more key is bricked
sand egret
or lack thereof
lusty grotto
Aren't copyrighted song caught by the AI though
sand egret
YOU'D THINK
warm plinth
Yeah it mutes portions of videos that are copyrighted
sand egret
grumbles
oblique garnet
Yeah we made pretty good recovery on atal
warm plinth
But it's probably not perfect
oblique garnet
And then fucked it
sand egret
it is most definitely not
sand egret
Boy....
warm plinth
The pack at the bottom of the stairs after volkyboi was the kicker. That was brutal. And still weren't that far over.
sand egret
don't you bring Stewart into this
warm plinth
Stewart is an automatic win
willow scarab
Good AD weeks
Bummed to only have done a 22
Was definitely the week to do a 24 if you had the key
willow scarab
wow i didn't even do 22 i did 21
oblique garnet
Changed the routes so much
oblique garnet
Ah yes the venomblasts
warm plinth
Yep
warm plinth
Yeah I fucking love Earthquake so much lol
lusty grotto
I need to somehow rebuild teamchip
sand egret
EQ is so underrated
sand egret
basically Parry for Spells from a defensive PoV
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet nope, warrior/druid
lusty grotto
oof
oblique garnet
He was good tho
sick sentinel
None of you know
inner moth
hey guys, just crafted my engineering helmet now i got a helmet with BoM+DC, guessing the bom+dc one where i can switch to more DPS traits on chest/shoulders is better than the engineering azerite haste trait?
Im so confused right now :p
willow scarab
eng helm is only beaten by helm of abysal melevolence or whatever it's called
stark fox
What are you belt/pants Kralj?
oblique garnet
🤔
inner moth
because of overwhelming power? @willow scarab
sick sentinel
I can't believe y'all have noticed who I was
oblique garnet
Is abyssal melevolebce the one with vamp speed
willow scarab
i think it has impassive
sick sentinel
Im IntenseNerdRage
lusty grotto
it does
willow scarab
bom/dc/op/iv
stark fox
Engineering helmet is very good, but once I got a different BoM helmet I swapped to BS to grab better belt/pants since I was still lacking there
inner moth
@stark fox 420 haste mastery belt and 400 haste vers pants
sick sentinel
All I did was change my name
inner moth
I was always confused if the engi helm is 2nd bis, why dont i see more people with it? are they just stingy with gold? 😮
lusty grotto
ok budget wadu
willow scarab
Probably stingy but I see it on every prot warrior on my server
unless they're using jadefire/abyssal malev
I have all 3
honest frigate
It depends what content you're doing
oblique garnet
I dont like engi helm
honest frigate
Because of cauterizer
stark fox
I have the jadefire helmet and wasnt sure if engineer was better or not, but I had a 405 belt and 400 sockets pants so dropped eng for BS
oblique garnet
Losing extra boM
honest frigate
but outside of that i would use malevolence or sea brawlers or anything with bastion
willow scarab
engineer is better than jadefire unless you're running TC and are 9/9
it's the helmet for logs
oblique garnet
Whats wrong with earth ele
stark fox
I'm running TC and I'm not 9/9 🤔
willow scarab
earth ele eats the bleed
inner moth
Im more looking to surfvive and have a good time than get good logs haha :p
honest frigate
good for damage
willow scarab
it's bastion tc
honest frigate
Why would you run TC in m+?
honest frigate
yeah it's good for parsing thats it
willow scarab
i didn't say m+
willow scarab
yeah and i said i use abyssal malevolence for that
stark fox
@honest frigate for the damage?
inner moth
So bottom line is, even tho I got a BoM/DC 415 helmet i should stick with the enginnering one with haste trait+dc?
willow scarab
I think i've been pretty clear here
honest frigate
no run the BOM one and use engi helm in KR
oblique garnet
For mainly m+
willow scarab
I prefer engi helm to that
oblique garnet
Thats better
willow scarab
globules and resounding prot are nice
oblique garnet
It has vampiric speed
stark fox
What's wrong with TC in m+?
willow scarab
you spend lots of time below 50% and you don't wanna die to the execute
it's much more reliable in raid
I don't agree
healing is so low from VS outside of reaping
oblique garnet
???
willow scarab
you're looking at like a 50k heal for a 5 pack
that comes in after it's dead
aka when you don't even need it
oblique garnet
Yes if you pull one pack at the time
honest frigate
Vamp speed is really strong outside of reaping
willow scarab
We're gonna have to agree to disagree
stark fox
https://raider.io/characters/us/malganis/Codywarrior
Are there any glaring issues with my gear?
willow scarab
Yes, you have TC for keys
pretty defensive azerite isn't ideal (for my playstyle at least) but gear looks fine
inner moth
God damn i wish I had the diamond trinket at 415 but I dont do raids :\
stark fox
I just starting raiding recently and got it on my 1st or 2nd clear Haha. Pretty lucky
Literally just got the 410 rezans a few hours ago too
And what's wrong with my azerite Fumeiyo?
willow scarab
you took all the defensive options
inner moth
I have a 400 rezans so im not too fused, but got a fucking 420 vial on my holy pala
but cant get it on warr xD
stark fox
I haven't gotten a single vial yet haha
lusty grotto
why would you want vial
inner moth
for big numbers
willow scarab
on demand burst
lusty grotto
...
willow scarab
for 6 seconds
stark fox
Meticulous scheming and heed my call srent defensive? Nor is TC?
oblique garnet
vial is food for 6 seconds
lusty grotto
i wasnt asking you fumeiyo
oblique garnet
So 2 thunderclaps
inner moth
isnt it more like 3? :p
stark fox
3 with avatar 
willow scarab
mypoik it's 4am don't make me break this down for you
carapace, gemhide, azerite veins, bulwark of masses, bloodsport
defensive
inner moth
What trinket should I aim for then, @lusty grotto
stark fox
Did you look at the other options on that gear?
lusty grotto
block/knot + rezan
willow scarab
no
inner moth
ty, guess im off to farm WCM xD
willow scarab
It doesn't come up on raiderio so i'm not gonna search your gear
I'm just gonna say what could be better because you asked
stark fox
Yeah, my character is 3 weeks old haha
willow scarab
Fair
stark fox
Dont have a ton of azerite gear yet. Just got my 415 chest this week from vendor
willow scarab
Here is what I raid in
stark fox
Makes sense.
And for m+? 3 bom, 1 DC, and 2 what?
I know you want OP too, but dont have any myself
lusty grotto
this is why io doesnt matter
willow scarab
Here is what I do keys in https://raider.io/characters/us/frostmourne/Fumeiyo
willow scarab
3 DC
stark fox
@lusty grotto God forbid I ask for help in the class discord
lusty grotto
im just making a point
stark fox
Lmao
stark fox
I can play the class fine, and I know you want BoM and 1 DC. The fine details are what I'm asking
stark fox
Gotcha
willow scarab
So I and a lot of other warriors go 3x bom 3x dc
wary lantern
just made easiest 40k of my life lol
stark fox
I know the 2nd and 3rd were less valuable but didnt know they were still worth using.
willow scarab
If you consistently pull 5+ mobs it's super worth it
wary lantern
someone just paid me 40k to boost Tol Dagor 8 on +2 lol
stark fox
I usually pull 2+ packs together
willow scarab
Then aim for the azerite I have
exotic spoke
If your healer can keep you up
willow scarab
I think it's BiS for every slot
stark fox
I just made a group from pugs. All of us were 1300-1500 io before. Still learning but almost 2.1k now
willow scarab
That's good shit man
once you're above 2k you'll start to get picked up by 2200-2400 teams
1500-2000 is the hurdle
stark fox
Our healer is kind of our weak point atm. He kinda gets flustered in 18+ and just messes up. He got hit by 6 sand traps on the first boss in TD 😐
willow scarab
Bin him
stark fox
Was a 20 TD too lol
willow scarab
I'm going to sleep but gl, ping if you need other info and like my playstyle
stark fox
We figured we'd give him his last chance this week. Going to have him run his key with us and see if he can keep up during grievous or not. I have a 1.6k r druid and he makes a lot of simple mistakes
Not keeping efflo down, lifebloom wrong target, etc
Thanks for the help fume
lusty grotto
interesting
you basically jumped into 10s
there's 0 sub 10s in there
guild runs?
stark fox
No, didnt have a guild until 2 days ago lol
stark fox
No lol
stark fox
I'd just pug or run with the rogue or dh that wanted to push keys
stark fox
Doutlaw was the rogue and Zara was the dh alts
Steel was the healer we ended up picking up
lusty grotto
you ran a 14 ToS without azerite
sick sentinel
Carry or not, it wouldn't matter since he's the tank for the group
lusty grotto
12 WM without azerite
stark fox
https://raider.io/characters/us/zuljin/Codydruid-22661635
Theres my druid I also did the same thing with
sick sentinel
So if he fucks up badly he wouldn't be able to time a dungeon regardless of how good his dps are
lusty grotto
he didnt time them
stark fox
Doesnt matter what my gear is
lusty grotto
you might wanna link your alts
stark fox
I plan to. My druid just server transferred haha
So havent really bothered with it
And my dh just got renamed from Illiderate to Codydh
So just havent updated it yet
rapid fog
Is a PROT warrior a "good" tank?
lusty grotto
so you met those people with your DH right?
stark fox
2 of them I think
lusty grotto
cool
stark fox
And the other I met on my warrior I think
I dk it was 3 weeks ago
If you have 390-395 ilvl you can get invited to a 10 np
lusty grotto
of course
stark fox
And as long as you finish it get more gear
That plus making my own heroic bod group (cant kick the lead)
It's easy to get 400 ilvl
sick sentinel
@rapid fog yes
stark fox
@rapid fog prot warrior is the best m+ tank atm, and does good in raid as well
If you want to raid and do m+ all of them work though, but I'd avoid dh and druid atm
Pally, monk, war, Dk are all viable for raid and m+
sand egret
🤔
sick sentinel
rapid fog
🤔
stark fox
Dh dps is good, but a lot of groups will not invite you as a tank simply because you're a dh. Theres a lot of bad stigma around them
lusty grotto
yeah idk whats going on blade
sand egret
What token? Like a sub token?
rapid fog
1+ month
sick sentinel
It's really the only token u can get it atm
stark fox
Dont you get a 110 boost with bfa?
lusty grotto
you mean you're trying to sub
sand egret
I'm more confused what the plan is
stark fox
Or is that what you're trying to buy?
sand egret
you leveling a DH to farm with to buy a token so you can keep playing?
stark fox
Do you have BFA?
rapid fog
No so i dont get 110 free thing
sand egret
Hmm well ya could just level a warrior and farm with him
wait, so you're planning to farm Legion content?
stark fox
Ah. Yeah. It would be way easier and save a lot of time to buy bfa if you can afford it instead of trying to farm 4 wow tokens
You'll spend forever farming legion content
lusty grotto
hes gone guys
sick sentinel
Let's be real, if ur farming a druid is the best
stark fox
Or boost a DPS. Being new and not knowing the dungeons, routes, etc will make it a lot harder to do content
rapid fog
Thats why i did DH dps
stark fox
Thats fine, but you still need BFA to make any gold honestly
sand egret
but you can just Dps as a warrior.
rapid fog
It'd take me along time to hit 110
stark fox
I'd buy bfa and SAVE your 110 boost
Until you're sure you know what you want to play
And just play dh until then as a dps
Dh is fun and very easy to play
Also best melee in raid and very good for m+
lusty grotto
not the best melee in raid
sand egret
you're prob better off just spending the time farming IRL for the $60 instead of the time it'll take you to get that money via Legion content
stark fox
@lusty grotto it is
stark fox
Yes it is
lusty grotto
bro
rapid fog
i was told mount making would be a good idea
lusty grotto
its' not
rapid fog
Panthers sell for around 40% of a wow token price
sand egret
anywho, it's an odd plan so all advise is pretty unconventional haha
stark fox
DH is the only melee that's basically required for raiding and pulls competitive dps
That makes it the best melee in raid imo
Also has good mobility and decent utility with darkness
sand egret
🤔
lusty grotto
its not the best melee inr aid
stark fox
What's better then?
lusty grotto
you cant just say "best melee" in raid off hand without reasons
opaque yarrow
How much haste is good enough as a base?
opaque yarrow
Im on 14% base
lusty grotto
ilvl > all
stark fox
Rad (#1 m+ warrior) recommends stacking haste until 20-22%
stark fox
Without saccing ilvl
lusty grotto
oh for fucks sake
this is skyhold
we don't give whoever the fuck Rad is opinion here
stop please okay?
stark fox
You still havent said what the best melee is 🤔
lusty grotto
you first
stark fox
I've already said it and provided reasons
modern brook
you guys are talking useless shit
stark fox
Because of their debuff to all the magic users?
lusty grotto
so you need 1 DH
stark fox
Yes
rapid fog
Obviously best melee throughout the entire game is a priest smh
stark fox
You dont need any other melee
lusty grotto
is WW monk the best melee because it buffs melee?
stark fox
Brm and mw can do that as well
lusty grotto
is BRM the best tank because it buffs melee?
stark fox
And are both played in raid usually
lusty grotto
is MW the best heal because it buffs melee?
steel mauve
there is a difference between required and useful, the 5% debuff isnt absolutely required but it is free damage for casters
sand egret
If your raid has no casters, DH's demand goes down. It's not that the DH's value is intrinsically high for having the debuff, it's that raid compositions can inflate its value.
steel mauve
also VDH can also debuff it as well if you're including BRM
stark fox
Buffing you're average 8-9 ranged dps is more useful the buffing your physical dps. Most guilds will have 1 MW or 1 BrM as well
tired dagger
Lul dh raid tanking
sand egret
So what you're doing is incorrectly associating contextual priority over actual balance
lusty grotto
DH raid tank fine @tired dagger
they cant fucking M+ for shit
but they can do raids well enough
warm plinth
But Nim they didn't use DH in WF
tired dagger
They're by far the least useful raid tank atm
warm plinth
😏
lapis tapir
is there a guide for tanking bod as prot? i got some awesome ideas for grong and want to see others
lusty grotto
that still does not make it the best melee dps @stark fox
outer dew
For most people, the most useful meele dps is the one that's not brain dead