Whichbtilted me massively
#protection
lime mantle
umbral forge
Was he German?
sick sentinel
Germans are mostly good at the game
I resisted for a while but too many keys have been depleted. Strict zero Brazilians policy now
undone sun
i've heard the russians are
sick sentinel
Or
How about this
Don't be racist lmao
I can't handle the 2.2k Brazilian dh doing 17k dps and eight thousand total dmg to explosives
lime mantle
@umbral forge yep, from Aegean or something like that.
Also a protip: Spanish players on alliance from anywhere but DunModr are shit, DunNodr has a 50% chance of just being bad.
umbral forge
Is it really racism when I'm from a German people as well
half palm
how do you guys kepe up with all these rules on who not to invite
sick sentinel
Or like see how they got their score
lime mantle
^
sick sentinel
If they have keys in hard weeks
Or if they have keys only in easy weeks
I don't pug to push
ionic fern
In general..any week that puts any responsibility at all on DPS'ers..(Explosive/Bolstering/Bursting) i just avoid PuG'ing.
sick sentinel
But I pug when I boost my gfs hunter
umbral forge
It was a Healer.
mortal carbon
only server you should avoid is aegwynn
big tip
from which server your big brain was?
umbral forge
I've just never had a good experience in this game when I've played with people from Blackmoore or Blackrock
I haven't done a lot of keys, until last week I did like, weekly on my characters
but even so, jesus.
mortal carbon
ah horde ok i can't talk about that
lime mantle
Horde all I can say is that Sanguino did nothing wrong.
I will queue in your BG and fight middle, not follow objectives AND cry when we lose.
And I will feel no shame.
umbral forge
what
undone sun
🤔
umbral forge
I've never had an issue with Southerners
Greek, Spanish, Italians, never a problem.
mortal carbon
wut
lime mantle
By that I mean it was the apex of horde pvp retardation and violent by shitposting.
Which I engaged in
umbral forge
yeah exactly.
umbral forge
I wonder what it'd be like to play with Indians
lime mantle
Idk
mortal carbon
bobs and v
lime mantle
:^} I feel they’d shitpost nonnstop about it
umbral forge
just that they'd speak English?
ionic fern
I had a russian tank yesterday in SOTS 15..everything was fine..we shrouded to 3rd boss and for w/e reason he just decided to pull 2 sides on tentacles together.
lime mantle
“English” is a very broad term.
ionic fern
Good times.
lime mantle
You must be in the mind of the Russian to@grasp@it
In his mind he though
“dps is weak. Healer is like western devil, brittle. Must endure by hardship. I pull all.”
Or alternatively
“OH FCK I ACCIDENTALLY PULLED BETTER MAKE IT LOOK INTENTIONAL”
umbral forge
I'm soon ready to make my dream character
Might just go super casual in 8.2 instead.
lime mantle
You can always play with me.
I’ll carry your 10s and ensure your key is depleto
umbral forge
hah
lime mantle
Horde pros:
Nice savage races
Horde cons:
belf.
steel mauve
cant argue with that summary
umbral forge
Horde Pros:
Belves
Pandaren
Nightborne
Horde Cons:
Anything not mentioned.
Alliance Uber Pros:
TWO Draeneis
Alliance Pros:
Night Elves
Gnomes
Dwarves
Dark Iron Dwarves
Pandaren
Void Elves
Alliance cons:
Kul Tirans
Humans
nobody considers worgen an actual playable race.
mortal carbon
Pandaren pro???
steel mauve
im actually upset my high mountain tauren turns into a regular draenai in BoD
umbral forge
I got the Lightbringer title on Wednesday.
All I need is the Heritage Armor.
Yeah same
And my heritage acquirer character is 90 so it's not far
mortal carbon
Lightbringer is killing lich king right?
umbral forge
Nah it's Paragon of Argus
mortal carbon
ah
umbral forge
killing LK is Kingslayer or Light of Dawn
mortal carbon
ah kk
lime mantle
How wrong can you be?
Kul’Tirans are great.
It’s the culmination of “What do you wanna play as?”
“a fat fuck sailor.”
Don’t forget your norftern England accent.
Odd they don’t have a female option.
lime mantle
It’s more the fantasy and mentality of wanting to basically play your dad that makes it funny.
Tbh everything in wow looks meh/shit
That’s why I just put my settings to nothing and strut around in T1
sick sentinel
@umbral forge <3
umbral forge
Sup
sick sentinel
"Greeks were never a problem" 🤣
umbral forge
Greeks are just
so chill
"Oh we depleted it. Meh can still get loot at the end lets go"
"ah shit you missed an interrupt, no biggie"
"oh wops we can't shroud, oh well we have CC"
sick sentinel
Yeee, we chill boys
Either super chill or super toxic lmao
The super chill boys are the guys that also have dota as their choice of moba ( bonus chill points if it's the WC3 dota)
And the super toxic ones have league as their choice of moba
Talking from 8 years experience of being in greek only guilds
Bonus chill points if they don't play mobas at all
drowsy salmon
Kul tiran in plate are not fine?
I would like to test the hot when receive damage but i dont like so much as a female the look up, who would bang a fat sailor without an eye..
sick sentinel
It's not noticeable
drowsy salmon
Te eye or the fatty?
sick sentinel
The hot
drowsy salmon
Yeah was joking:p
oblique garnet
🤔
shadow escarp
Hi guys! im trying to improve my play as prot in M+
i jsut feel like i have too much rage whenever i start a pack with avatar, and dont really know what to use it on
i read somewhere IP only stacks 140% so using it 2x is worthless
shadow escarp
im using the trait that gives me IP when i use avatar
austere oar
Well SB at pull + IP is already 70 rage, + 30 when you'll SB again you have 100 rage spent
You shouldn't be overcapping in rage early in pull
shadow escarp
should i hold demo shout?
if i get lots of revenge procs + i still ahve IP up from casting avatar
austere oar
You can dump it in Revenge or get your IP back to full to let AM working
umbral forge
@orchid token nice
orchid token
not nice
it sucks
hate this fight
conceptually i really liek the fight but its literally 1 mistake from 1 person and a wipe
oblique garnet
you like that fight as a tank?
Rly?
What taunt at 2 and run around in a circle
CoS tank strats in a nutshell
orchid token
nah i like the fight in the sense that it has zero rng
everything is 100% in your control
if something goes wrong you made it go wrong
sweet kettle
<- toxic greek (but for fun) @umbral forge
topaz skiff
noob to prot question for anyone willing to help 😄 is using 3x treach cov a dps thing and you're relying on the healers to keep you up? I find using it at the minute is a massive dps increase but huge drain on healers... probs an obvious question but interested to hear thoughts?
ionic fern
It's not a huge drain on the healers.
sweet kettle
they provide extra str good for getting logs
ionic fern
You don't drop below 20% with decent play in most content and if you do drop below 20% and stay there for a while you'll get gimped non the less.
ionic fern
Or just got ignored by healers for wayyyyyy too long.
topaz skiff
i think the latter and they're blaming the trait tbh I can stay above 20% for a long time.... just an issue on Grong myth the other day and I was curious
sweet kettle
check logs
topaz skiff
yeah I wasn't getting topped off on the throw but the trait got the blame
sweet kettle
grong throw?
umbral forge
You didn't SR the throw?
topaz skiff
like i said i'm relatively new to prot i've played blood and brewmaster a long time... once I worked it out I made sure i had sr for throw
umbral forge
Logs please
oblique garnet
Warriors shouldnt be the one getting thrown
sweet kettle
why not you can intercept
oblique garnet
Yes and you can also tank the boss better than any other tank can
sweet kettle
better to ignore one mechanic and not make a dps go out i think
umbral forge
Did you do HC or Mythic?
topaz skiff
myth but the pally I tank with kinda just goes with it and I do all the reading etc
oblique garnet
Oh the paladin for sure should be the one getting thrown
topaz skiff
first time I've tanked it as prot been playing it maybe a week max level so still a little curious as to how I can min/max mit and dps
oblique garnet
Whats the other benefit for having a wet noodle in the fight
topaz skiff
@oblique garnet haha fair shout 😄
ionic fern
Btw @strong forum sorry to keep you waiting regarding the 1x IF and 2x DC regarding m+ DPS.
I made a quick spreadsheet for you that you can play around with..hopefully i diddn't mong out on math. :)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ohX0rhDfU-mvEtY10OqoRpNKM_1j8T-gTAUVFA0gB2Y/edit?usp=sharing
Purely trait damage.
And if we add BoM ontop of that (which most people have atleast one) it's going to be even a bigger difference.
oblique garnet
@ionic fern you should add to the avatar/uf column that its tc thats cast
Someone without knowledge on the subject will definitely not know whats happening
topaz skiff
so stacking BOM and TC is most optimal in Dazar'alor? or would you run more defensive traits while progging?
strong forum
Based mwahi
ionic fern
Jeah, added it.
sick sentinel
I would argue to use defence on prog
Like that extra damage will not be the difference between kill and not
ionic fern
Also, BoM isn't that good in pure ST Scenarios..TC is.
sick sentinel
I would want 3bfi for prog tbh
oblique garnet
I played with 3x BoM 1 DC 2x IF on prog yesterday
sick sentinel
That being said
sick sentinel
If your main content is mplus
ionic fern
I also play with 2 or 3 BoM's but i'm too lazy to swap traits. 😂
sick sentinel
Then I would not swap traits for raid
topaz skiff
I only ask because most high logs they run 3xbom 3xtc..... I was thinking of running BFI and CR
strong forum
Well on stormwall I wouldn't want TC ontop of Kelp
oblique garnet
Idk
strong forum
#donttrusthealers
oblique garnet
I like my healers
topaz skiff
i have a good idea.... but I've played blood dk so long.... Prot it definitely more fun... I just now want to min/max
strong forum
Even my healers don't trust healers
ionic fern
😂
topaz skiff
I never trust healers.... but as a blood dk.... you don't need to worry about them haha
strong forum
But yeah block traits have bigger value in mythic raiding
On jaina im running 3x BoM 1x if 1x DC 1x ms, currently
topaz skiff
dc never loses value right? it's a must for both m
topaz skiff
m+ and raid
strong forum
1 that is, rest is debatable :^)
topaz skiff
yeah I only run the one
weary veldt
what piece should i roll tomorrow, i usually do M+ but this seems pretty good, what about for raid
ionic fern
That does seem like a solid setup for m+.
If you really wanna buy something then I'd probably re-roll shoulders to get something more AoE centric instead of BfI.
sick sentinel
don't roll
no need
just save for 8.2
the only reason you would roll is for better middle and inner traits tbh
and I do not know if it's worth it tbh
I personally would like to have a BFI for some weeks, ( currently running IF+meticulous scheeming) because even with IF and a 415 shield I have been hit by some 60k hits after block
strong forum
Tfw I have bought like 6 shoulders, 5 helmets and 5 chests cuz I can't stop tryna min max
It's an addiction
sick sentinel
to be fair
minmaxing has a value
like, getting the same traits that you have but instead of moment of glory you get an IV
it's as much healing as a diamond laced prism
strong forum
Using mekka shoulders and ashvane warden cuirass chest
So I'm set in that now
Kinda want vamp speed though
sick sentinel
vamp speed only in explosive
right now my inner traits are full on garbo
because I was perma rolling shoulders for fury
for c'thraxxi
strong forum
I haz bulwark, intim shout and w/e I decide to use on helmet, gemhide tron impassive
strong forum
Ye but it's the soulspun casquet
sick sentinel
I really really like eng helmet
strong forum
Yea same
Was fiddling around with full haste proc build, I can reach 140% haste
Without bl
FeelsGood
80% on average
So I think ima stick to engi
sick sentinel
I was running OP on eng helm
for the whole duration of 8.2
thinking of going for UF tho
mortal brook
solid avg uptime tbh
strong forum
I went from haste proc build to 0 haste proc with 3x UF
And now back to full haste with 2x OP 1x MS, rezans, RNG and rage
Really can't say what's better
mortal brook
feelin stompy
sick sentinel
I run MS/RNG/Rezan's/quick nav(obviously) and used to run OP
that's 5 haste procs lmao
sick sentinel
and because of that
strong forum
This week my overall is obv cucked cuz I do like 90% of our explosive dmg
sick sentinel
I rarely have to use LS to block shit
because SB CDR doesn't care if they are spread out or stacked
so it just ticks down like crazy
and when I need like a bit for it
I shockwave or call of DH stun
so I do not have to block for 3 sec
and I have it back up again
strong forum
The only thing I can maybe get at is that higher Avatar uptime with big haste build
But 🤷
strong forum
Really can't tell the difference
sick sentinel
I really like that tbh
mortal brook
how much uptime we lookin at for Ava with the new essence?
strong forum
From what I've heard 70%
mortal brook
thats pretty stompy
strong forum
Yeah so with the coming UF nerf you won't notice the nerf
Youll get more dmg cuz of higher bastion uptime, actually
sand egret
from the logs ive seen it wont proc BoM if the vision trigger procs during a manually caster Avatar
just adds 10 seconds to back end of Avatar (which is why we saw perfect 30/20 durations of Avatar vs BoM
mortal brook
that was the same for prot pally not getting another crit heal if it added duration
but standalone it would proc
tepid raptor
Do you respec any talents for explosive week?
hot jetty
Hello guys, I need an advice for my war, My IL right now is 378 with this stat haste 17% crit. 11% mastery 26% versatility 5% health 245k. Are good stat for M+? or i need some changes? thanks for your precious help.
umbral forge
@tepid raptor no. Your talents are mostly set in Stone, except second row.
And some people go Deva or Demo Shout to pad ST damage.
@hot jetty you need more ilvl.
lusty grotto
right
hot jetty
@umbral forge nice, but for more IL i need more M+ run right?
torpid solstice
Ring
umbral forge
I'd say 10
torpid solstice
Btw
I want to log my runs for my main team
How do u log runs
I installed wow logger
And it says u gotta enable a option to log mythic plus
Otherwise it doesn't work for the wowlog uploader
:/
umbral forge
I believe its under Networks
sick sentinel
@torpid solstice check pms
umbral forge
Enable advanced combat logging
umbral forge
"I believe its under Networks"
modern brook
"check pms"
pseudo basin
Hello bois, my guild has asked me to bring up a prot set for OT duties when our other tank is unavailable and I want to make sure I have something right. I only want ONE DC trait or is stacking useful?
umbral forge
@torpid solstice are you German?
torpid solstice
Noh I'm dutch
torpid solstice
But I know a word that rules over all the words in germany
pseudo basin
Nein, aber ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch.
umbral forge
I don't speak WW2
torpid solstice
Sweinhoend of I type it correctly
umbral forge
I know Nein though
torpid solstice
I want to do a low key 12 td
With 3 prot warriors
1 rogue for single target
And 1 healer
umbral forge
1x DC is good for survival
modern brook
😬
modern brook
@pseudo basin STacking DC doesnt provide a defesnive benefit
so with 2 dc you'll only get the +6s to Demo, but you'l get slightly under double the TC damage
umbral forge
And if you're raid tanking it's a miniscule DPD increase
modern brook
ie: bonus tc damage stacks
umbral forge
DPS*
modern brook
but the duration extension does not
pseudo basin
Thanks @modern brook. Is there a specific survivability trait I should be aiming for? BoM and IF?
modern brook
As of right now def worth it in big aoe - read: m+
Uhhhhhh
in raid not really
1 BoM 1 DC is a good starting point
pseudo basin
Yeah I'll just be raid tanking I think. M+ isn't really my bag.
modern brook
DC > BoM >BFI > really whatever
I believe the guides have a more accurate ranking of the traits
pseudo basin
Yeah but I never know how often they are updated so I'd rather take 5 minutes to pick the brain of someone who actually does tank. 😛
modern brook
pseudo basin
I looked over Icy-Veins before I even came in here. I just use sim and bloodmallet for fury
modern brook
I believe the Icy veins guide was updated last month
Regardless its an accurate peice of literature on most things and a lot of the responses you'll get here are echos of it - you can defeinitely trust it
at least as far as the basics go
pseudo basin
Thanks again. Really appreciate the advice.
modern brook
npnp enjoy prot
inner moth
Im in a pickle, I have crash+callous on shoulders, crash+BoM on chest at 415 ilvl, and I have a 400 head with BoM and callous reprisal
empty inlet
isn't there a spread sheet
inner moth
would it be worth crafting engineering helm (overlap with crash again and bloodsport) or is it better to roll random head
If you dont wanna stack deafening crash that would mean the enginnering helm isnt that good compared to just getting a random piece next week
empty inlet
@pseudo basin https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xd4Tb97_QzqB4JjBS2K3nzodOECSbAeyCKf_wXChqVY/edit#gid=0
modern brook
@empty inlet thats maintained by the same guy who writes the guide
@inner moth Engie helm is good because its a garunteed 415 dc with a strong 2ndary ring
there are better helms
but there are also much worse helms
inner moth
SO i should just bit ethe bullet and pay to powerlvl engineering, would still be better than rolling a random 415 helm that has bloodsport+callous
But my question is
modern brook
I mean
inner moth
Do i go bloodsport on 1st ring then considering I already have crash
modern brook
Engineering /alch should be your professions on any serious end-game-content character
modern brook
since they're the only professions that do fucking anything
inner moth
I dont raid
And it depends on my free time but yes
I was planning on leveling alchemy for the flask duration
saves up some gold over the long run
I just dont know if i should craft the helm or wait for a random 415 piece 😄
modern brook
I'm not sure what your exact peices are and cant really give advice as to what you should be using where
- Engineering is worth it even without the helm
Battle rez is op
- stacking DC in M+ is not a terrible thing, until you're pushing ~18+ and things start actually threatening your health pool
the general rule of thumb for stacking DC is: Do i need to not die better
And if you do need to; you take the defensive option, otherwise you stack them
sick sentinel
Enemies can't kill you if they die before you do :>
sick sentinel
What? Can't hear you over the sound of my deafening crash x3.
modern brook
sick sentinel
But in all seriousness, I was running 3 DCs and I think ima switch to 1IF And 1 Meticulous
3 BoM, 1 IF, 1 DC, 1 Metic, 🤔 Seems like a good comp imo
strong forum
Exactly what I'm running atrax
Atleast for jaina
For m+ im then either switching out to engi helmet or jadefire for BoM + TC helmet
inner moth
@modern brook https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/hardcore my current setu
p
lusty grotto
jesus christ blizzard is going all the way with the power creep on those profession items
steep mulch
imo that spreadsheet and really any mathematical analysis really miss the big picture... sure, IF may prevent more damage in m+, but auto attack damage is never really a big danger
lusty grotto
what
steep mulch
i stack bloodsport because things that will kill you are usually spells and bleeds which cant be blocked
lusty grotto
you can reflect it
and why are you even doing masterminds on a 20
people are doing double death skips since 10s
inner moth
xD
lusty grotto
you can certainly avoid KR bleed
have a DH blade dance while you move away
it's also parryable
which means your outlaws can also riposte it
steep mulch
because every group is gonna have a DH that you can trust to do that correctly
or you can take the miniscule physical mitigation that IF provides
steep mulch
on autoattack damage that you can already mitigate most of
lusty grotto
so you'd rather put on a trait that works because you don't have those classes, and is only truly valuable in very select situations
modern brook
- IF isnt taken to reduce AA damage
its taken because u face tank a lot of AA's and it does a fuck ton of damage
reducing blockable is 2ndary
sand egret
ditching the KR bleed to some pleb DPS or a noble pet is the move though...
modern brook
- Bloodsport is the azerite equivlent of pre-trump kanye doing covers of post malone's cover of Smell's like teen spirirt
Low key dope af
lusty grotto
you'd think mitigating more blockable damage would be way better
it's funny you say Auto attacks when we can block ranged attacks as well
and some trash special abilities
modern brook
I mean I've been a proponent of BFI > IF even in M+ forever
lusty grotto
matron before tree boi comes to mind
sand egret
yeah, I prefer BFI
modern brook
But yeah IF is really strong in M+
sand egret
but I just love me that phat baseline block buff
and the "stacking" mechanic gives me that Ironfur feeling that I miss on Warrior 😃
lusty grotto
i just dont use SS enough for it to be good, but its certainly better than bloodsport
sand egret
for sure, it only comes out in ST or against big fuckers, but that's usually when I want the stronger instances of block anywho
plus, it comes with the upside of big ol' numbers
modern brook
@inner moth Roll for new shoulders
get 415 engie helm
Take DC on the helm
your shoulds suck shit
modern brook
you can worry about replacing he 415 engie helm when your other slots arent ass
lusty grotto
anyway i got my quote of the day out of that exchange 😉
new quote of the day, so exciting!
inner moth
I rolled shoulders first because people said thats the best slot to roll first since all items have either DC or BoM
but I guess i drew the short end of the stick
modern brook
chest should be IF/Bom
modern brook
THe thing is - most of our azerite is good
because most of our options are really good
Your shoulders are pretty fine - if you were doing M+
which you're not
so all 3 options are shit 🤷
[in comparison to what they could be]
modern brook
Oh sorry
I had you confused with another person
THen yeah its probably preference
Engie helm + the 415s you have is fine
inner moth
Either way Im guessing the best course of action is still to craft head instead of roll random head
modern brook
double if + CR + bom + RNG
modern brook
Its the more consistent option for sure
Plus you get engie benefits - namely the rez's
Like your decision point here is "do i spend a bunch of gold to get battle res + a strong option, or take a 1/6 of getting the better option"
both are upgrades so
Pick your poison
You could also be meta af
and roll head anyways
then make the helm
modern brook
I've gotten the high altitude turban on my rogue 4 times
:^)
I dont want to die i promise
inner moth
does the rez get interrupted by getting auto attacked
modern brook
no
It might extend it
IDR
Its also a long cast
But I'm p sure you can block and shit during it
honestly its better on like Rogue
inner moth
Maybe ill be meta and get both haha
modern brook
but having it is better than like - lol blacksmithing pants
inner moth
maybe i get lucky
exotic spoke
How many upgrades do you have from the Azerite vendor?
inner moth
but i never once got a bis azerite from the vendor on my 5 chars
lusty grotto
😡 @modern brook
inner moth
so the chances of that happening are null
modern brook
@exotic spoke he's debatings swaping to engie for the helm or rolling for a 415 helm to upgrade his 405
@lusty grotto nice pants nerd
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t personally swap to engi just for the helm.
lusty grotto
bro my pants are 420
steep mulch
@lusty grotto all mitigation is subject to diminishing returns. warriors already have really good physical mitigation, so adding more physical mitigation on top of that is going to give you less value than stacking mitigation for unblockable damage
exotic spoke
I had blacksmithing pants until recently
modern brook
my shield is 420 nim
lusty grotto
415 crit haste belt ftw
steep mulch
also with a 415+ shield you're already soft capped on block
exotic spoke
@modern brook 415 indestructible shield come at me bro
lusty grotto
what are you talking about
steep mulch
do i need to explain the math to you?
lusty grotto
yes
modern brook
Indestrubtible is worth 20 ilvls for me
lusty grotto
go ahead
steep mulch
ok here we go
lusty grotto
i wanna see this
steep mulch
i'll pick easy numbers for you so you can wrap your head around it
modern brook
Oh boy
steep mulch
say you're a warrior with 50% mitigation from armor, 50% from block
exotic spoke
@steep mulch no need to be condescending
modern brook
🍿 its not me this time
steep mulch
you take 100 physical damage
lusty grotto
this is abslutely going to go to quote of the day
steep mulch
armor reduces 50
block reduces 25
if you add another physical 50% mitigation, it reduces 12.5 dmg
sand egret
🍿
steep mulch
say instead that you take 100 unblockable damage
lusty grotto
🍿
exotic spoke
🍺🍿
steep mulch
if you take a 50% reduction through bloodsport
it reduces 50 dmg
much more that the 12.5 dmg from mitigating dmg that you're already reducing through armor and block
sand egret
@exotic spoke ☕ 🍿 😢
steep mulch
%s of %s get smaller and smaller the more you stack together
lusty grotto
are you done?
steep mulch
therefore you want to try to mitigation the sources of damage that are starting with the least amount of mitigation
lusty grotto
can i address your points now?
steep mulch
go for it
steep mulch
lmao
exotic spoke
I’d rather not rely on crit blocks to maximize my mitigation
steep mulch
maybe you aren't familiar with the term soft cap
it means you get reduces value past a certain point
exotic spoke
@steep mulch again, I would advise against being condescending
steep mulch
whereas a hard cap would be 0 value
lusty grotto
yes i am, a soft cap is when a curve stops growing with a high slope, which isn't the case for block because ONLY CRIT BLOCK IS CAPPED
steep mulch
@exotic spoke tell that to the guy who just said "be quiet"
modern brook
😬
inner moth
he did ask you if youre finished
lusty grotto
guess what happens to your regular blocks though?
exotic spoke
You do you - but he’s replying like you initiated it
inner moth
before telling u to be quiet ;p
empty spire
gets popcorn
exotic spoke
But what do I know - I’m just a lonely little space goat
mental scarab
👀
lusty grotto
so let's be clear about something, if only your crit blocks are capped it means that for block to be absolutely worthless in comparison with Bloodsport you would need a very very high amount of mastery
so lets say that happens in avatar windows with 3x BoM
congratulations, you are block capped during avatar
for about 60% of the time
which isn't 100%
what about avatar-less windows though?
steep mulch
even without BoM, my crit block chance is around 40%. that means that 60% of the time i'm getting 0 value from added block
so on average, block's value drops to 60% of its normal amount
with avatar up its even less
lusty grotto
you did mention diminishing returns
are you aware mastery also has diminishing returns?
go in game
pop avatar
look at your crit chance %
oblique garnet
🤔
steep mulch
yes because mastery affects block and block has DRs inherent to the formula used to calculate it
lusty grotto
it affects block CHANCE
just so people understand here
not block damage reduction
mastery affects how much we passively block without SB or LS up, and how much our blocks can become crit blocks
not the amount of damage reduction a block covers
that's only increased by block value, which comes from shields and IF/BFI
steep mulch
everyone in the prot war discord who doesn't know what their mastery does thanks you
undone sun
lusty grotto
if you didnt know, we do have lurkers
undone sun
hundreds
modern brook
🤷 i didnt know what my mastery did tbh
lusty grotto
that might actually follow your 2x bloodsport comments
modern brook
i thought it just increased my damage
oblique garnet
Why would you go for bloodsport?
lusty grotto
alright
chilly brook
Man it’s a weird feeling being officially done with classes
chilly brook
On a side note, lurkers don’t exist if they don’t say anything
undone sun
hmmm
chilly brook
xD
oblique garnet
420 bloodsport gives waht?
cinder pasture
Thats some deep shit
oblique garnet
4k more ip?
chilly brook
And thanks bull 🙏🏻
lusty grotto
undone sun
according to wowhead, 6600 @oblique garnet
lusty grotto
oblique garnet
So not enough to be relevant
undone sun
ofc
oblique garnet
When you can go for more damage
lusty grotto
this is a huge assumption
chilly brook
Pretty large yes
lusty grotto
what % of damage is unblockable in a dungeon
in comparison with the entire world of M+
chilly brook
Depends on the dungeon.
modern brook
modern brook
snot a question
chilly brook
But overall a fairly small amount
modern brook
@shut summit is the best and gave us a sample
lusty grotto
which of this unblockable damage is not interruptable or unavoidable by any means
chilly brook
Very smol
modern brook
most dungeons are ~70+%
chilly brook
Like some people’s brains
modern brook
with SoTS and Motherload being notable exceptions
undone sun
sense is the best for maintaining it into bfa 👏
oblique garnet
SoTs magical damage is all mostly avoidable
chilly brook
Sense is a saint
modern brook
@undone sun ur really great too, dont get me wrong :^)
lusty grotto
(he said lashes)
undone sun
😄
lusty grotto
which are avoidable by... you know death skipping
undone sun
i had planned on maintaining it in BFA as well before i got burnt out
chilly brook
Oh shoot I forgot
lusty grotto
and are 100% avoidable by reflecting
exotic spoke
I’d like to see how you get to “soft cap” for block in mythic BfD anyway.
chilly brook
Asmon is supposed to strim ESO today
oblique garnet
Maintaining the senses sheet?
lusty grotto
there's this thing that he mentions about diminishing returns on mitigation
chilly brook
“Soft cap” for block omegalul
undone sun
i made the sheet before sense did @oblique garnet
exotic spoke
@chilly brook I agree hence the quotes
undone sun
i continued it to the last half of legion from another regular back when
oblique garnet
Yeah but now youre washed up 8)
modern brook
wow what a great addition
undone sun
oof
modern brook
We should all thank the genius that found that out
chilly brook
It’s like passing the torch
undone sun
indeed
modern brook
@modern brook thanks!
undone sun
i don't think the original "creator" is in the discord anymore
unless they changed names 😭
steep mulch
so here, i did the math for you for a direct comparison
with a 415 shield i get 42.82% dmg reduction from a block
lusty grotto
correct
steep mulch
with IF, that increases to 44.88
lusty grotto
there is no such thing as armor affecting block damage reduction
the 2 formulas are independent of each other
steep mulch
i'm comparing blockable damage only
lusty grotto
right
steep mulch
even though BS is better because it can also mitigate unblockable damage
lusty grotto
but you said
steep mulch
for the sake of this argument
lusty grotto
the following
steep mulch
we'll talk about blockable damage
steep mulch
IF gives a 2.08% reduction
oblique garnet
Bloodsport is literally dogshit
steep mulch
bloodsport gives 6626 more value to IP
undone sun
IP already doesn't do much
oblique garnet
Last 2 bosses in ML?
steep mulch
6626/.0206 is 321650
exotic spoke
But you can’t just debate without considering all the facts. The amount of magic damage in dungeons is very low compared to blockable damage
undone sun
adding a little bit onto it isn't going to do much
modern brook
🤷
steep mulch
so you would have to take 321650 dmg in blockable damage before IF passed the value of BS for a single IP
chilly brook
Yo yo yo
lusty grotto
IP absorbs up to 50%
steep mulch
of JUST blockable damage
chilly brook
You can’t just say “oh hey BS adds another 6k but IF is only 2%”
lusty grotto
a 300k hit will only have 150k absorbed
chilly brook
That’s 2% more of a much larger portion
chilly brook
And if you get hit for a 100k hit your IP is gone your block doesn’t have a cap on damage
modern brook
I mean
undone sun
what is the average IP at current gear levels
steep mulch
no, and thats why the fact that its 50% doesnt even matter
lusty grotto
because with 2 bloodsport they might go up to what? 60k?
modern brook
Mine are ~70k
chilly brook
Sooooo would you rather mitigate 44k or 40k?
oblique garnet
75k
modern brook
probably closer to 80k
lusty grotto
75k ok
exotic spoke
^^
chilly brook
Either way
undone sun
~70k + 6k OMEGALUL
chilly brook
Point stands
lusty grotto
so on a 300k hit, your IP goes away completely
modern brook
I mean the thing with IP - is that it scales with blocking 🤷
chilly brook
^
steep mulch
from a 300k hit (which rarely ever happens) BS will reduce 6626 dmg. IF will reduce 2.06% of it which is only 6180
exotic spoke
That’s pretty minor. And you take a lot more blockable damage ina dungeon than magic damage. A fuck ton more
chilly brook
Uhhh
steep mulch
so in the rare case that you actually take a blockable hit that big, IF is almost as good as BS
chilly brook
That’s not how compound percentages work my guy
exotic spoke
@steep mulch you literally just proved that IF is better.
steep mulch
@exotic spoke maybe so, but the blockable damage is slow and spread out and rarely ever going to outpace your healer
lusty grotto
no shit
steep mulch
by stating that IF gives less mitigation than BS?
modern brook
Then why are you gearing defensively??????
lusty grotto
why do you think that is?
exotic spoke
Then you need to pull bigger
chilly brook
You’re rarely going to ever outpace your healer at all
lusty grotto
hold on
oblique garnet
yeah and the only cases when you take more magical damage is when your dps sucks and doesnt interrupt
lusty grotto
why do you think blockable damage isnt going to outpace your healer?
chilly brook
And our mitigation in general
modern brook
@oblique garnet all too often :^(
lusty grotto
maybe because blocking is valuable?
exotic spoke
@modern brook just reflect more
chilly brook
Honestly just go back to playing blood DK
sand egret
I'm back! What I miss?
modern brook
Spell reflect justforces your DH to remeber his kick is god tier
it doesnta ctually do anything
exotic spoke
@sand egret 🥃🍿
steep mulch
on the other hand, things that are going to kill you is the shit that you cant already mitigate with block
chilly brook
Uhhhh
lusty grotto
furthermore, what is the point of comparing BS and IF on a blockable hit? you're using IP over block anyway
chilly brook
If you’re actually dying there’s a problem with your play or the healers play not your traits
lusty grotto
and block does not go away after 1 hit
modern brook
I mean isnt the whole thing deconstructed w/ Bigger blocks = more value from IP
@steep mulch
chilly brook
It should be
steep mulch
@chilly brook so you never die in m+?
modern brook
no we're gods
oblique garnet
No unless i fuck up
chilly brook
Sure if I fuck up
modern brook
Big bronze gods
steep mulch
ok well there you go
chilly brook
Except that’s not often
oblique garnet
yeah if i fuck up its more likely me not doing the one mechanic
that im supposed to do
a.k.a missing a kick
modern brook
Late's a machine
oblique garnet
or reflect
chilly brook
And if it is it’s my fault not my gears fault
modern brook
never misses mechanics
undone sun
pfft mechanics are for cars
chilly brook
If I seriously die an extra 6k on IP isn’t going to change that
steep mulch
in perfect conditions where every spell gets kicked and every uninterruptable cast gets spell reflected and whatever the fuck else never goes wrong
sure
IF is better and will mitigate more damage
oblique garnet
@modern brook Theres a vod up if you wanna see some bonding moments :^)
steep mulch
but lets be honest
modern brook
I've been lurking your stream
lusty grotto
bro
chilly brook
And BS isn’t going to save you....
modern brook
:^)
steep mulch
if all of us never died
modern brook
I was hoping you'd fucking expand on the atal shroud
steep mulch
why are we even talking about mitigation to begin with
oblique garnet
Which shroud?
lusty grotto
the amount of shit that will hit you that is unblockable is downright small in comparison
chilly brook
I mean we don’t
oblique garnet
Through the teeming pack?
chilly brook
Most of us go pure offensive for m+
modern brook
look how useful @oblique garnet is everyone
lusty grotto
youd figure that lowering ALL THE OTHER DAMAGE would help out
oblique garnet
Oh yeah
chilly brook
Literally a lot of people in here do 3x BoM 3x DC
oblique garnet
If theres a pack in between where you normally shroud you have to shroud bit earlier
undone sun
you dont plan on failure, even then IP wont solve anything... it's a slight damage buffer with a primary use of rage dumps. BFA IP isn't meant to be focused, nor should you build traits around it
oblique garnet
but other than that its the same
exotic spoke
If I had three dc I would.
oblique garnet
as long as you dont interract with the volkaal pack
chilly brook
But if you want to talk defensive value then BS is behind IF
exotic spoke
But alas, 3 BoM, Dc, 2 IF
modern brook
Atal on teeming is aids tbh
oblique garnet
Like if this pack is here you have to shroud earlier
modern brook
@primal crypt did you/ your girl ever make those videos?
@oblique garnet I wasnt sure if you had to do that teeming pack* cause of the patting rogue
exotic spoke
@modern brook thanks for reminding me That I’m going to hate myself tonight in AD 21
daring marlin
whackos
oblique garnet
just shroud earlier
modern brook
:^( I wish i could get in on 17+s
My rogue is 1701 rn and not having a consistent group is officially dead stoping my progression :^(
I tihnk my warrior is >1k somehow
chilly brook
I’m pretty stoked to see Asmon stream today
daring marlin
I was doing keys last week and the sheer amount of people that pumped their IO by like 1k that week was absolutely hilarious
exotic spoke
We just have to finish It at least. We want 20s for next week
warm plinth
I feel attacked
chilly brook
Lmao you elitist you
chilly brook
Yea dude what an ahole
modern brook
it makes me angery
daring marlin
bruh they bricked my key with their poo damage
modern brook
she has 1 18 in time 😠
chilly brook
Lol
daring marlin
how does a DH not do 30k ez
chilly brook
Oof
daring marlin
especially last week
warm plinth
I do more overall than that (by quite a bit) as a 402 DH
daring marlin
big boi pulls
sand egret
holy moly was that a read
modern brook
hi blade song :^)
undone sun
🍿
undone sun
you're welcome
modern brook
thank you for killing the priestess
cause u know that fight is gold centric
Great joke; i know
:^)
sand egret
what's the affixes for this upcoming week? I feel like they're really bad...
I have this sense of dread....
lusty grotto
f you for asking
modern brook
IDR but they are
lusty grotto
lmao
modern brook
I wanna say like grevious sanguine
sand egret
Bolster/Greivous
lusty grotto
heh
sand egret
🤔
sand egret
GW + Tyrn sucks
modern brook
gw?
sand egret
grievous wounds...hang in there with me Bull
modern brook
Dude im retarded cut me some slack
sand egret
✂
modern brook
Grevious + reaping is low key bullshit
sick sentinel
I'd rather have Griev over teeming fort :>
sand egret
this week is ezcheese
exotic spoke
This week isn’t too bad
modern brook
😠
exotic spoke
Just be competent on killing orbs and you win
steep mulch
imo grevious is one of the easiest affixes but... i'm just a guy who stacks BS, what do i know? 😎
warm plinth
Bull is angryboi this morning
modern brook
I feel like ive been fairly amicable @warm plinth
warm plinth
Hey don't worry; I still ❤ you. Just seeing lots of 😠 from you already XD
modern brook
I have exactly 2 emotional states:
lusty grotto
cool have fun spamming IP then @steep mulch , also making the 2x BS useless as shit the following week with necrotic
modern brook
😠 and 🤠
steep mulch
actually BS is great for necrotic too...
modern brook
c|:^)
lusty grotto
imagine if fish feasts werent a thing
warm plinth
I'm actually mulling it over right now to determine what 🤠 means exactly.
daring marlin
something something horses in the back
warm plinth
In terms of emotional state
lusty grotto
right because necrotic doens't lower IP amounts
sand egret
higher baseline mitigation means less damage taken to your hp pool via the IP split, which means less chance of being dropped below the threshold 😃
steep mulch
@lusty grotto if this is you https://raider.io/characters/us/arthas/Nimchip then i can understand why you're only concerned with blockable damage
lusty grotto
we're living in a dream world here
modern brook
blade thats not necrotic
undone sun
monkaS
modern brook
we did it everyone
lusty grotto
there's the io link
warm plinth
Ooof
lusty grotto
every single time lmao
undone sun
@lusty grotto only 1700 io score, get good
warm plinth
Nim you absolute scrub
lusty grotto
dang man ive been had
steep mulch
i mean if the highest key i had ever done was an 18
warm plinth
tfw he doesn't know Stewart is who actually has the high rating.
sand egret
^
lusty grotto
shit that was actually sad
sand egret
homie straight came for you
lusty grotto
imagine being carried as a tank with 2x BS
modern brook
more like nimRIP
sand egret
^^^^^
warm plinth
Ouchhhh
lusty grotto
must be big as fuck backs
warm plinth
I always stack IP traits on Necrotic weeks. Super helpful 😉
undone sun
🤣
exotic spoke
2200 isn’t amazing either to be fair
modern brook
3x BS 3x CR
warm plinth
^
modern brook
I'm a necro god
lusty grotto
shhh dont say anything, you will get your io linked lmao
undone sun
io score is the lower the better, gold scores
sand egret
golf rules
undone sun
you cannot prove me wrong
warm plinth
Well the fortunate part is that you don't need a good score to know something is wrong.
undone sun
boom
warm plinth
I do have an epic score though
warm plinth
Thyme , how sad is it that you don't even play and you have a higher score than me 🤔
exotic spoke
Wait... shit... I’m past that
undone sun
🤣
undone sun
almost
modern brook
:OOOOOOOOO
sand egret
THE LEGEND
modern brook
I got some work to do
sand egret
should just only do that one dungeon
undone sun
lol yeah, rio only shows me having 2
modern brook
@warm plinth I got u beat fam
undone sun
warm plinth
Seriously though those +2s were super common to see even at the end of Legion. Saw a 4 hour +2 Seat on there once
mortal brook
hey, that was practically top 100 seat runs
exotic spoke
Cause fuck that place
mortal brook
went there literally once. said fuck that, never went again