most god damn annoying thing ever
#protection
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
just tag him late
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto i did once
Cba doing it again considering he isnt playig as much anymore
winter aspen
did he play the Alabama N-word ?
sick sentinel
and everything inbetween, yup
sudden spade
What are the best trinkets for m+ and the best for raids?
sick sentinel
I did it once or twice as a meme, but been acting more mature and responsible as of late
oblique garnet
New affix ez
sick sentinel
rogue too, all you do is mash sinister striker over and over
warm plinth
It would be a non affix for a lot of people and a horrible affix for the others
winter aspen
WW monk not even bothered
warm plinth
Nope they’ve been doing that shit since forever XD
sand egret
WW monk confirmed meta
west galleon
WW being taken not only to buff outlaw? preposterous
warm plinth
Rogues will now be taken only for shroud, then made to sit in the corner while the WWs do work
😉
exotic spoke
Lol
celest gate
Does ww even scale with gear
celest gate
🤔
exotic spoke
🤣
west galleon
toxic
sand egret
they scale with weapon damage now, if that's what you were getting at
west galleon
isn't vers good for them
sand egret
IIRC there was a point when it was AP only or what not so they had weird issues with scaling
celest gate
Yeah I'm thinking similar to how warrior towards end of xpac does well with like fire mage
Where the higher crit got them going, but they go mastery now so they could be different end tier
WW it's have open palm or bust imo atm
sick sentinel
Today is the day bois
If I can get my last +15 done today going alli
Gnome druid here I come
warm plinth
Good, you'll be on my faction then 🐔
sand egret
“actually good” is a backhanded compliment
west galleon
no one hating on them they're just only taken in mdi for buff to outlaw
sand egret
dont hate, Late
sick sentinel
If ur playing monk for not brewmaster to play drunk fighter then something's wrong
sick sentinel
I don't play dps because i am terrible at it, brain is configured for tank mode
west galleon
dps is same as tank but like instead of ignore pain u dump all rage to revenge
sick sentinel
Well dpsing is small brain so I wouldn't worry
oblique garnet
WoW is small brain game anyways
oblique garnet
You have no excuse to be bad at the game
chilly brook
^so true
sick sentinel
Yes I do
oblique garnet
Real life is not big brain
sick sentinel
Did u not read those articles about games respecting me by putting an easy mode
warm plinth
Someone told me the other day: "I can't understand all those guides; I'm a button masher and I do okay"
And I was like wut
sick sentinel
Oh no
west galleon
not everyone wants to maximize everything tho
warm plinth
Maximizing and trying are two different things
chilly brook
There's a difference between "can't" and "won't"
sick sentinel
In this game yea kinda
west galleon
having fun in wow in 2019 omegalul
warm plinth
They can have fun as long as they aren't getting carried through my runs XD
steep lily
I feel like i can usually get away with rolling my fingers down 4 keys to get pretty close to optimal rotation.
sick sentinel
Isn't that every class?
west galleon
i have at least 9 buttons i push regularly for fury
oblique garnet
I hit him with the so is warriors
sick sentinel
We no longer live in a period where we have 5 pages of spells even if 3 of them had useless shit in it
oblique garnet
If you think about it warriors rotation isnt more complex than druids
sick sentinel
It's about the same really
warm plinth
Fun =/= complex
west galleon
thrash spam pretty unsatisfying compared to T H U N D E R C L A P
mortal brook
^
west galleon
okay but i said unsatisfying
sick sentinel
It's because u shitlords refuse to go incarn on guardian
Mangle spam the real deal
Fuck thrash
undone sun
who knew
warm plinth
To me, complexity isn't what makes a rotation fun. It really doesn't get simpler than Havoc's rotation and I love Havoc.
sick sentinel
Cowards and weak neck babies all of yall
undone sun
@sick sentinel 🗞
oblique garnet
You should try ele
warm plinth
I have a 120 ele shaman 😃
oblique garnet
Even ele has 4 buttons
warm plinth
And I love that spec too
autumn pendant
Weeeeeeelll
west galleon
for me it comes down to the variety of pushing your 4 buttons
autumn pendant
Ele is discutable
swift pier
s
west galleon
like if you press 1 2 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 it's boring
oblique garnet
In m+ or raids?
oblique garnet
LUL
west galleon
but like 1 3 4 2 3 4 1 1 2 3 4 1 that's aight
swift pier
hows idol + diamond prism combo?
oblique garnet
Did you cc the pack?
warm plinth
My personal opinion of fun: How impactful your buttons feel, the sound effects/animations of those buttons, ability interactions (that matter)
sick sentinel
pug healer
oblique garnet
I miss the challenge in games
sick sentinel
facepulled it
neon tangle
@warm plinth why do you play prot warrior then
warm plinth
I love challenge, but not challenge that depends on other people. I can't be bothered to bash my face against a wall made up of other people's mistakes. That's why I loved the mage tower challenges. 100% my own skill and ability.
neon tangle
huehuehue
west galleon
i replaced my 350 shield after i already hit 1200 ;-; life was rough
sick sentinel
410+ shield with indestructible must be an absolute god send for warriors, because after most M+ it's like that meme "look what they did to my boy"
oblique garnet
Rezan + diamond
neon tangle
@swift pier what's your other options, and what levels of m+ are you aiming for?
swift pier
ty
oblique garnet
Diamond + idol is if you are scared
oblique garnet
And if you are scared just use berserker rage
west galleon
wat
sick sentinel
because you become immune to fear
warm plinth
OHHHHHH SHHHHH
swift pier
mostly above 20s
neon tangle
you know, maybe double defensive trinkets could make sense for you
warm plinth
Late has jokes today
exotic spoke
But what if it’s by a big necrotic ape?
west galleon
lmfaooo
oblique garnet
Also change from bonded souls
swift pier
idk
oblique garnet
Worthless trait
west galleon
look at this guy comin in here askin questions to flex his 3k
sand egret
welcome to Skyhold
oblique garnet
3k io means nothing
umbral forge
welcome to skyhold
west galleon
late literally shut up lmfao
swift pier
theres a lot of stuff i rly dont know
i can play well
but idk which trinket is better
ect
west galleon
ya i was just joking
sand egret
lol Delli, that's Late's job here
neon tangle
@oblique garnet I mean, dude is #93 tank
oblique garnet
Yes
neon tangle
like overall
oblique garnet
He is good
neon tangle
that's impressive
warm plinth
I need to get some WAs so I can be real tankboi
west galleon
if you said 2k meant nothing then yeah but 3k is definitely an achievement
warm plinth
Even though that +9 underrot was a train wreck, I think it made me want to tank more.
autumn pendant
Im just gonna drop this here before i go to sleep. All you need for tanking
Is
Leeeeeeeeeeeech
warm plinth
I think for my second dungeon in BfA I'm gonna go for a 15, sounds good amirite?
sand egret
doooo it
neon tangle
@warm plinth press thunderclap
oblique garnet
@swift pier you should be confident enough in running full offensive traits and trinkets
sand egret
that's gonna be spicy
oblique garnet
Might want to use defensive trinkets at like 25+
exotic spoke
Is it an indestructible shield at least
warm plinth
It's not. I'm a failure 😦
sand egret
i'm so excited for your recap of it 😃
sand egret
score was TOO DAMN HIGH
warm plinth
I already recapped it twice; I don't want to annoy people XD
neon tangle
@warm plinth FWIW most of my spiciest feeling runs happen on weeks like this at <10s
swift pier
so brance for impact over bonded?
exotic spoke
Let us know how fast your shield breaks
swift pier
brace*
sand egret
i mean your +1 5
oblique garnet
Yes
warm plinth
Oh lmao
neon tangle
because people aren't killing explosives and shit
oblique garnet
Bonded souls was ok prenerf
neon tangle
which hurt the same regardless of the key level
oblique garnet
After nerf its meh
oblique garnet
What traits do those have
neon tangle
a 15 with coordination and interrupts and stuff is way less spicy than a 9 and ignoring affixes imho
oblique garnet
Im not a wiki who remembers all the items xD
swift pier
XD
warm plinth
Dude explosive pisses me off when I'm not DPS. It wouldn't piss me off as prot if I had any experience tanking this xpac (was more focused on not fucking mechanics up than killing explosives, though I killed my fair share). On the 2 keys I did on my DH this week, I did 3x as much damage to explosives as the 2nd person on the list.
west galleon
not killing explosives as prot omegalul
neon tangle
^^^
swift pier
you should
sand egret
explosives is like the prot dream
swift pier
its a nice heal
warm plinth
I did kill explosives o_O I said that XD
exotic spoke
VR for days!
sand egret
you just chain VR together
oblique garnet
Explosives is annoying tbh
warm plinth
I just didn't kill as many as I normally would have because I had other shit on my mind. I killed them to save my life multiple times because I was just getting trucked
sand egret
classic Late
west galleon
explosive is like one of the easiest affixes imo
oblique garnet
In big pulls cba sniping every single one
exotic spoke
Shield slam into ever lasting VR. That’s almost as good as everlasting gobstoppers
neon tangle
@west galleon If your dps do their job :/
warm plinth
Hang on let's look at it
west galleon
tru i suppose
sand egret
ooo speaking of explosives
west galleon
explosive ez if everyone helps
warm plinth
OH THAT EXPLAINS A LOT
sand egret
that left side is fuckign death
neon tangle
@sand egret That pack w/ 4 maggots + bunch of ticks is amazing
sand egret
literal death haha
warm plinth
Me half-ass killing explosives btw
sand egret
it was waaaay easier
oblique garnet
Theres 4 maggots
slim pier
Are there any azerite armor that are used in M+ but drop in raids?
sand egret
not before summoning 20000 explosives
twas chaos
you can tred between the two packs and walk right through to the triple blobs
warm plinth
I actually died the first time on that pull right after first boss
swift pier
was hoping to get the mekka shoulders
warm plinth
With some ticks and the 4 maggots
swift pier
but didnt happen ;c
warm plinth
Died like really fast lol
oblique garnet
I want raid azerites so i can go BoM + TC
slim pier
Are there any bis M+ azerite armors that drop in BoD?
exotic spoke
Obviously you need more 👢🍵👏
oblique garnet
Havent had the luxk
oblique garnet
What videos lul
exotic spoke
Rip
oblique garnet
And im lazy
exotic spoke
That’s what she said?
warm plinth
Where are those runs you tanked for Jettom? XD
sand egret
How I imagined videos of Late
"Everyone: we like money and happiness!
Late: money and happiness sucks"
end scene.
warm plinth
Wow, it's like you've watched them
warm plinth
It's from the ❤
warm plinth
✊
Oh hey, I did have one good thing happen though, despite the nightmarish Underrot
I finally replaced my 370 Lion's strength XD
oblique garnet
With sporepods?
warm plinth
No but someone actually looted a sporepods from the M+ chest and I thought it was me for a second
I was gonna rage
warm plinth
I got a 395 sea charm from the turtleboi emissary though
oblique garnet
I always forget the lootspec
sand egret
I want an item that I can get once a week to just RNG reroll an item at its found ilvl.
west galleon
i got a 410 andulaton recdently so im pretty happy w that
sand egret
Which what I really mean is, I want a way to reroll my fucking Emblem of Zandalari
sand egret
it's better Rezan's
warm plinth
Oh the WQ trinket?
sand egret
yeah
warm plinth
It's probably not called that for me I guess. I do remember seeing "Emblem of" something though
sand egret
ohh yeah it may be a Zandalar only trinket
oblique garnet
I think its different on alliance side
warm plinth
Yeah I think it still exists; it's just Emblem of something else
They're all pretty generically named
warm plinth
NA Alliance*
sand egret
I may make my Pally alt a DiD and just keep him Alliance
neon tangle
faction change a 120 character, unlock it, faction change it back?
oblique garnet
Thats 60€ wasted
distant crystal
just be a dwarf 4Head
oblique garnet
Or alot of in game gold
distant crystal
no siphoning 
exotic spoke
Oof
pliant mesa
Quick question - I haven't been able to get my shield block cd below 12 sec. Does this mean there is a haste cap? I have a buddy who keeps telling me I don't have enough haste yet no matter how much i stack I don't get below 12 sec cd... Thanks
sick sentinel
you can get it below 12 sec
mine is 11
and with haste procs it goes to like 9,5 or so
undone sun
you also don't need mroe haste
undone sun
right, it was just in regards to their friend telling them they dont have enough haste ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lusty grotto
can i say it?
seeing as there's no opposition
your buddy is a gigantic dumb dumb @pliant mesa
exotic spoke
Rofl
lusty grotto
damn that felt good
exotic spoke
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
lusty grotto
xD
pliant mesa
lol... Thanks for the assist.
sand egret
did someone say....haste cap ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
undone sun
👏
stark fox
Treacherous Covenenat or Calious Repirisal
hallow phoenix
Be brave and go with covenant
steep lily
TC porbably is better defensively even if youre not dipping much.
CR is kinda a pain to keep up
peak latch
hey guys i am not sure should i use the traight deafening crash more often then 1 time? i see some do and some dont
neon tangle
It's only damage after the first one
A good chunk of damage, around the same as each stack of BoM
if it's the best option you have, take it, a lot of people have better options in the form of TC, BBI, etc
or taking another BoM
peak latch
is there a list of BIS Helmet/Shoulder/Body?
neon tangle
I think it's in the icy veins guide
under azerite
but honestly it's best to just post what you got
peak latch
https://worldofwarcraft.com/de-de/character/eu/thrall/prôtum maybe the best way to show it to you
neon tangle
Personally I'd do blightborne infusion on your chest
and BFI
honestly your azerite is REALLY good
blightborne is a ton of crit
neon tangle
Brace for impact
peak latch
ah ok
neon tangle
the defense row is a little weak, but crystaline carapace is a decent amount of damage in m+
especially w/ the amount of facetanking that warriors do
neon tangle
@oblique garnet Other choices on that tier are gutripper and earthlink
gutripper maybe
peak latch
thats what i thought too in the moment i think i will choose gutripper
peak latch
ST?
neon tangle
single target
peak latch
ah ok sorry new in this discord 😄
oblique garnet
I checked your profile with pc and for some reason it translated the wow armory to finnish and i got so confused as to what your traits were
I swear finnish is not a real language
peak latch
hehe
neon tangle
crystaline will win out over gutripper at some point in AoE, you gotta get hit around 15 times to equal the damage of 1 gutripper proc
oblique garnet
^
neon tangle
i.e. very definitely better for reaping, maybe not for smaller packs
oblique garnet
Earthlink is aight if you can stack them
peak latch
ok i will try it
neon tangle
(gutripper is 10ppm, so you got to be taking ~160 attacks / minute for CC to win out)
fossil heron
socket 410 shield vs 415 shield?
umbral forge
415 shield
block value > all
@fossil heron block rating is the king of all stats for us.
You can't socket it, best way to increase it is through a better shield.
oblique garnet
@umbral forge wtf mang delet this
umbral forge
oh fuck
undone sun
hmmmm
sand egret
bakayaro
vocal skiff
So what do you do when you throw a key? Go queue for another one, exactly the same key level and dungeon
lol
lusty grotto
so apparently people still dont know you can reflect cyclone strike
brave mauve
Have they asked why you aren't playing Siphoning?
lusty grotto
if they had i would have promptly left
not that i had to since the DK was toxic trash and didn't reset 1st boss
last loom
nerf prot pls
graceful sundial
hey ...got a question about mythic Jaina. We are doing progress on first interface. On ph2, where is Jaina exactly positioned? My raid leader is stating Jaina appears exactly on the middle of the room, but I feel she is inclined to the left side.
west galleon
shes on right side
sand egret
shout out to all the tryhard rogues who try and shroud the first trash in ToS and fail, bricking keys. Holla.
outer dew
got my CE and now I'm just playing FF14
sand egret
do what ya enjoy mate
sick sentinel
Jesus christ
Kings rest +15 is the worst
5 different groups
Every
Single
One
falls apart after the 2nd boss
Its like no one knows how to either a) deal with fear adds in the first boss room or the first adds after the 2nd boss
Like its not hard
sick sentinel
Ur right its a pain in the ass
But u know whats worse?
Bolster
In season 1 as a prot warrior
WITH infested, which i mean get fucked
So it annoys me that tanks have the awareness of a fucking goldfish when im dpsing and the mistakes they are making are really simple ones
Like:
Losing
Losing
And using kick
sick sentinel
Yeah and in a dungeon like KR u cant plan around it
Theres no "route" u can use, its go straight and skip a few adds
And using an invis pot was not worth it like it is now with a 10 min cd
Also have fun when the adds from the start have the infested
I HOPE U HAVE A ROOT/SLOW READY
Im too tired for this, im gonna go play division by 2, maybe I might get the +15 tommorow
eager umbra
alo guys, new guy here, quick question, is thaaat important to be kultiran prot warrior for +15 m+s?
outer dew
???
eager umbra
i was thinking in a dwarf
well, i read that kultiran r the best cause of their racials
undone sun
KT doesn't have an advantage
dwarf bleed removal can be very useful in dungeons, especially during necrotic weeks
umbral forge
This guy just lit The dojo of the God of War on fire and encounters the God of War right after.
willow scarab
KT would be good for sanguine with casters, or punching marksmen out of dust clouds in TOS but that’s about it. Otherwise you want dwarves to cleanse necrotic/reaping stacks or night elf to avoid reapings or do skips
sick sentinel
season 1 wasn't so bad for me when i eventually manned up and started attempting 10 keys, had re-rolled to tauren and on infested mobs you could simply war stomp affected mobs upon their death and basically negate that affix
willow scarab
Shockwave does the same thing without having to play as a cow
And no cast time and it does (small) damage
sick sentinel
0.5 cast is virtually nothing, rarely causes issue. i like my cow stomp. aoe radius stun is ridiculous no matter how you slice it for trash.
learning now from wowhead that it resets melee swing timer though.
umbral forge
Nightborne. Can just slow them.
Can slow reaping too, in order to kite.
Yup yup. Nightborne is the sleeper meta race of the Horde.
undone sun
hmmm
umbral forge
1% increased damage on all spells reflected, too! (only applicable to arcane spells.) ((maybe))
ember cape
does anyone know how long till 8.2?
umbral forge
no
undone sun
roughly 2 months
lusty grotto
guess what i did with it
i traded it to the DH in the group
the fuck am i getting TF on shit i dont want 😦
curse my bad luck 😦
honest canopy
Got 420 rezan with socket The other day
lusty grotto
reeee
lusty grotto
😦
honest canopy
Also i got 2x TF wpns on The DK back to back in ML
Done champions M and bonus rolled each time 10 Times and not even seen one drop
I must be The only warrior with 395 and 400 wpns trying to fury in Mekka progress 🤣 so bsdly i geared The DK to get a tank spot back
willow scarab
I have 2x 420 rings with leech on my monk I play once a week
But 2x 415 on my warrior main, I feel this same pain
empty inlet
imagine trading a strength trinket to a dh
native quartz
imagine it having agi as well
sand condor
Its absolute poop
lusty grotto
He said he would use it soak on blockade so shrug
umbral forge
Uhhhh
lusty grotto
Shit trinket was gonna burn a hole in my bags
Yeah I dunno why they have dhs soaking either but whatever
torn sleet
Bloodsport or rezans fury? They’re my only options on the highest azerite helm
lusty grotto
Bloodsport
sand condor
What even is rezans fury
lusty grotto
does a bleed thing
neon tangle
(It’s the 2nd best ST dmg trait)
sick sentinel
It can be proced by aoe spells
I was looking at a log from a dh having damage from rezan's fury on jainas elemental but he never meleed it and he never used any single target ability on it
Just from eye beam and blade dance
warm plinth
Does it have ppm per target or just one ppm across all targets?
sick sentinel
I am not sure so I won't give a definite answer
warm plinth
If it can only proc 1ppm (or whatever it is) regardless of target count, then unfortunately that means it's still basically useless in AoE.
orchid token
its worth about 600 aoe dps
i simmed it a few weeks ago for hectic add cleave
if you don't want the bloodsport absorb bonus then it's at least SOME dps
which is better than no dps
for comparison a 2nd and 3rd deafening crash are worth about 900 aoe dps
each
so its 30% worse than DC in aoe
wise heart
hey guys, is there an optimal way of combining cds during big pulls? rn im doing avatar/demo/block into wall/block once avatar runs out into last stand when i run out of block charges
undone sun
last stand should be used more often instead of SW because of bolster
wise heart
i usually just use last stand as an additional block when i run out of charges
undone sun
correct
warm plinth
There shouldn't be a huge amount of circumstances where you're going to be stacking a bunch of cooldowns. You don't need to think of Shield Block in relation to Avatar and Demo Shout, for example.
Shield Block usage is completely independent of Avatar and Demo Shout usage.
willow scarab
I heard that bloodsport isn’t worth using unless you have 2?
warm plinth
There's no reason you should be making extra effort to make sure those three spells are active simultaneously. Shield Block will be up most of the time anyway, as will Demo Shout a lot of the time, but that doesn't mean they're required to be used together, if that makes sense.
willow scarab
Rezans fury is the top sinning ST Azerite accorinding to bloodmalley
@ earlier convo
warm plinth
No idea why that would be a thing Fumeiyo. It stacks completely and is a significant buff to IP with even 1 trait.
undone sun
where'd you hear that from
wise heart
im aware of that, but on say freehold where you would pull the first three packs, id want to know the best cds to use with each other assuming the pack lives long enough
warm plinth
My best guess is that someone said it in relation to leech, in which case you should ignore it XD
wise heart
or is it a case by case basis at that point?
willow scarab
Maybe it was on stream or some high io warrior idk I take in so much information
But I heard that and never see anyone running 1 so it makes sense
undone sun
mainly because it's not a great trait ¯_(ツ)_/¯
willow scarab
For those first 3 you wanna get rage on a turnip before the key goes in
Heroic leap in with avatar shield block in the air
Clap demo clap etc
Last stand after blocks are gone
Shield wall and then pack is dead
Something like that works for me
warm plinth
Why in the world would you need to do that lol. Charge+Avatar gives you enough rage for Shield Block.
undone sun
should charge instead of leap
willow scarab
Trust me
undone sun
more rage
undone sun
🤦
wise heart
ive done ok by just charging the 1st pack, shield slam and have block up immediately, ive only done an 18 so far though
willow scarab
Intercept a friendly before pull and clap before pull while the barrier is going down
If you don’t have block up for the first hit you can die in super high keys
willow scarab
It decays
willow scarab
Wait until you get one shot trying to do these wild pulls on 20+
Now I always turnip full rage
warm plinth
That's the most ghetto strat I've ever heard of XD
undone sun
you're the one overcomplicating it making it wild
willow scarab
Turnip gives rogue a free roll too
sick sentinel
only benefit in that instance i could see is a free IP... which you get anyway from Avatar
warm plinth
Yep...
wise heart
Sounds like my group needs to get a turnip 😄
undone sun
or dont
willow scarab
It’s the block before you get autoed
warm plinth
There's literally zero benefit to doing that except maybe the free roll for the rogue.
neon tangle
@orchid token bloodmallet shows it at 1400 dps at 415 ilvl even in AoE
warm plinth
Intercept(off GCD)+Avatar+SB(also off GCD)
warm plinth
If you say Nerfclap did it first, I'm gonna cry inside.
willow scarab
Because on 23ML I got one shot doing a big pull for lust after shrouding the start
warm plinth
XD
sick sentinel
in that instance wouldn't the rage decay anyway since you're shrouding?
wise heart
do you guys precast avatar when going into pulls? i usually just charge clap avatar
sick sentinel
I charge as i hit avatar
warm plinth
You should intercept+avatar, then Clap
willow scarab
You have about 70 rage
wise heart
Or charge shielf slam if i dont have rage for block
willow scarab
It decays but you clap an dinterceupt while the timer ticks down
sick sentinel
i never open with slam unless its a boss
willow scarab
Which is free block and IP for wrenches
warm plinth
As we were saying for Fumeiyo, if you intercept+avatar, you will have rage for block
sick sentinel
opening with a buffed clap = all the threat you'll need
opening with a slam means adds can go wild
willow scarab
Giga pulls don’t involve charge as much
undone sun
it's "free" block regardless, you're just overcomplicating it
warm plinth
My head hurts
willow scarab
So nobody thinks free rage cap is a good idea
warm plinth
No, because it's completely unnecessary. All of the gains you claim to get by doing so are things you would have regardless.
willow scarab
Maybe you pull with charge way more than I do
undone sun
because it's the correct way
willow scarab
How you gonna pull 3 packs at once with charge
warm plinth
I mean, you have other choices for pulling mobs besides being in the middle of them.
willow scarab
I’m learning that maybe I’m the problem and this is why I’m low io
I need to learn how to play warrior
undone sun
IO is a fucking social construct, it literally means nothing
arbitrary as fuck and easily cheesed
sick sentinel
leap has a longer cd and doesn't gen rage, i use it more for kiting if needed
or jumping over shit like spiders
lusty grotto
btw
willow scarab
I use it for extra damage on pulls
lusty grotto
rage does not decay inside combat
warm plinth
Ohhhh lord
lusty grotto
it only decays when you come out of combat
willow scarab
It will decay
undone sun
???
lusty grotto
oh ok
willow scarab
Why would you turnip mid key
sick sentinel
yah he gets to 100 on turnip before they start
undone sun
you don't turnip at all
lusty grotto
well yeah you're not in combat before you start
willow scarab
This was all always before key goes in
warm plinth
I thought the rage decay mentioned was during shroud
lusty grotto
weird ive never needed to do that
willow scarab
Let me just put in my freehold key and then turnip lmao
You get rage capped before the timer
wise heart
i suppose this only applies to a dungeon like freehold where you have a big pull in front of you right from the start
lusty grotto
you have demo and avatar, no need to cap rage imo
undone sun
because it's unnecessary
warm plinth
@wise heart You should ignore the last 10 minutes of conversation.
sick sentinel
its unnecesary
warm plinth
Do none of what has been said.
lusty grotto
but i do still charge critters in between pulls
wise heart
haha
undone sun
you can get the same results traditionally
willow scarab
But is there a reason not to have the free rage
Especially if your rogue is rolling
undone sun
quit saying free rage
wise heart
im just trying to get better at my shield wall usage, im trying to be less reactive with wall
lusty grotto
well since you will avatar/demo right off the bat, why would you need the rage
i mean
wise heart
i assume using wall+demo shout would be a bit overkill and might leave you weak with both of those down?
willow scarab
You can use that rage for revenge
lusty grotto
its ok if you do it
sick sentinel
with wall you'll have to start treating M+ as raid fights, after awhile you'll get used to whats gonna hit like a truck
willow scarab
And your earlier rage for AM
lusty grotto
uhh
sick sentinel
rage for revenge in massive pulls lul
wise heart
fair point @sick sentinel
warm plinth
So the two things you should take from this conversation Fumeiyo is that the turnip is unnecessary, and Heroic Leap is never used for its damage.
lusty grotto
alright its 4 am ima sit the rest of this one out lmao
willow scarab
Sometimes I special rift in
warm plinth
Nimchip
undone sun
ass backwards
warm plinth
I saw a 415 weapon earlier with siphoning. They said they learned it from Nerfclap.
🙃
warm plinth
Not in Skyhold. It's spreading.
lusty grotto
🤦
willow scarab
Lots of the warriors above me on the server have siphoning too
And I haven’t seen any of them here
They don’t even have 10% with it
(We have 1 server on oceanic that is played on)
lusty grotto
yeah well
warm plinth
Wait, spatial rift? The fuck XD
lusty grotto
what can you do
warm plinth
Why are you making a mobile spec slow
willow scarab
Void elf is the aesthetic alliance choice
warm plinth
My "the fuck" was because spatial rift is slow as hell, and you're sacrificing the rage you could be getting from intercept to look fancy
undone sun
hard pass
warm plinth
sick sentinel
pre cast something that doesn't gen rage
warm plinth
No offense, but you've given none of us any reason to trust you on anything you've said so far.
You even admitted that your low score might be caused by you, which regardless of how arbitrary it is, does seem kind of likely at this point. I don't really care what you do, but you should really not be telling other people to follow in your footsteps if you don't know with 100% certainty that what you're doing is correct in the first place.
willow scarab
My low score is 2700
sick sentinel
You should not turnip before a key unless you have a very good reason to
warm plinth
Which just goes to show you how arbitrary that score really is.
sick sentinel
Because you are wasting procs
warm plinth
And does not mean that you know what you're talking about.
sick sentinel
That could have happened on pull
willow scarab
Most of what I’ve said is pulling your collective legs
warm plinth
I truly hope so
warm plinth
And now I'm doubting again
willow scarab
The rogue is getting a roll
sick sentinel
I just said
willow scarab
Give me any reason not to get rage
sick sentinel
your opener gens enough rage
warm plinth
Kaege just gave you one. We gave you multiple others.
sick sentinel
that if you're precapped you'll waste most of it
Procs trinkets like rezans trinket will proc as soon as you start combat
warm plinth
Quick Nav will proc as well
willow scarab
Reset on key start
Quick nav 30 seconds buff
Key timer 10
It’s free nav stacks
warm plinth
It's 10 seconds wasted of a buff. It's not free anything
willow scarab
What
sick sentinel
Eh ghash
willow scarab
The best part about nav is when the full proc happens
sick sentinel
You want to stack up so you get the 600 proc
The other thing is that a rogue can vanish on 1
sick sentinel
Because I also used to hit the turnip
Before key
But I stopped
And that 6 wrenches
willow scarab
I think combat drop is 6 seconds but you can clap and intercept to keep it 💯
sick sentinel
That I briefly skimmed through
You can pop LS on pull there and look at them
And block them
willow scarab
23 not fort 6 wrench
Yeah I started doing that
And then later started turnip
Because the pull has 3 peacekeeers I want Ls for
I only timed a 21 though so clearly the dungeon is too hard for me
sick sentinel
If you're pulling 3 peacekeepers you're fucking crazy lmao
willow scarab
Gotta get lust on CD somehow
sick sentinel
I mean, if you can pull it off, sure
sick sentinel
confirmation bias doesn't mean that turnip contributed anything
willow scarab
It means I have rage for block and don’t die rounding up my pull
sick sentinel
you do with a correct opener as well
willow scarab
You don’t get it
If I charge I’m slower to the other packs
Waste avatar timing
Get melees for no reason
willow scarab
I don’t care about the charge CD
sick sentinel
Doing turnip has a use
And there is a point
Saying that is doesn't is just straight up wrong
I don't agree with all things fume says
im saying the use (in the instance of triple pull in freehold) is overcomplicated
and there isn't a huge benefit to it
when a traditional opener gets you more than enough for a block + ip
willow scarab
Plus even if I bring stupid ideas I’m glad to bring them
Because maybe someone’s gonna like it
sick sentinel
a traditional opener
willow scarab
We theorycraft up in here
sick sentinel
We're talking about motherlode
Try to do a motherlode without dying
no, his initial point was talking about the first pull in Freehold
willow scarab
Let me give you this perspective
I get rage on turnip
We’re in a 22
Massively ahead on time
And then we wipe to eudora
Was the turnip worth it?
sick sentinel
:l
What
do you know what confounding variables are
at all
What does that have to do with anything
willow scarab
Idk I’m having nice conversation with my prot warrior friends
It’s Saturday night and I’ve had a few
I don’t know what confounding variables are because you’re smarter than me
sick sentinel
These 2 things you said
Are 2 completely unrelated things
And one does not affect the other
I joined this convo midway do I went up and read all of it
And I have decided I do not care and I'm gonna go eat or something
undone sun
🤣
willow scarab
That’s a good idea
I’m gonna keep drinking
I kinda want to dps for some people in here and see how they play their prots
Being the tank you never see first hand how other people do what you do
ornate flint
hey guys
what is the uptime of Last stand
when reduced by anger management
can you use it almost every minute?
sick sentinel
With proper play most cds can be reduced to half their cd
Kinda depended on ss procs as well
sick sentinel
And you don't use it on cd so you can't really speak uptime
with Vision of Perfection's base reduction of Avatar + the on proc reduction
are we still gonna sit on it/demo to use together
ornate flint
right ye
sick sentinel
or are they gonna become unlinked
assuming the ppm make it the go to choice
I personally do not sit on demo or avatar anyway
undone sun
can only use a major or a minor from the visions
at least from testing, you can't use both
sick sentinel
But yeah @ornate flint a 20% uptime during the dungeon is completely possible
orchid token
lushen what do you mean by sit on it
sick sentinel
Major slot gives you both
undone sun
hmmmm
sick sentinel
Holding one for the other probs
like instances where you sit a bit on ava so you can have it up for full duration of demo
or vice versa
orchid token
you don't ever do that currently
orchid token
why would vision procs change that?
both should be coming up at the same time
always
orchid token
unless you unlink them yourself you'll always get 1 avatar for every 2 demos
sick sentinel
and in M+ its not always worth to demo the second it comes off
Sometimes you can't cast demo directly as it comes off cd
so you either use alone or wait 30s for ava
Ofc you use it alone tho
orchid token
evne if trash was that low
sick sentinel
wont be alive for more than 1/2 its duration
orchid token
doesn't matter
it'll be back up by the time the next pack is engaged
demo has an effective CD of something like 20 seconds
it's absurdly short
umbral forge
Demo = 60 rage
sick sentinel
and visions is gonna make that worse because each proc of the mini avatar reduces ava's duration
60?
Jet
40?
i think 40
sick sentinel
You're a priest main jet
sick sentinel
and just hit up PTR the main slot still gives you the minor effect as well
orchid token
oh right, i forgot visions reduces the CD as well as random procs
i guess it depends how close you get to bringing avatar down to demos CD
sick sentinel
16.5% base reduc, and at least on wowhead it had a 'each proc reduces the cd by X amount'
but that mighta been taken out cause too strong
orchid token
but demo is a DPS CD not a survival one so idk how much that would change anything
sick sentinel
demo is 20% dmg reduc too tho
orchid token
you just play around the DR if its relevant but you wouldn't hold it for any survivability reason
sick sentinel
like Brm fire breath
but yah im talking from a DPS perspective, iv heard its worth to make sure every ava is bolstered by demo for the extra dmg
orchid token
it is, and the easiest way to ensure that without delaying avatar uses is to demo on CD
you lose less by hitting demo with 10 secsl eft on a trash pack than you would by delaying demo and then being forced to delay avatar
sick sentinel
have you looked into the essences enough to get a feel for whats gonna be Bis
orchid token
nope, its too early
orchid token
all of the effects look really strong if they're tuned well
sick sentinel
ig what im trying to ask. is if they leave it at just the reduction to 1.3m, is it better for output to just use both on CD regardless of lineup, or have an inevitable delay to avatar since they no longer line up nicely
willow scarab
I think the avatar cd not syncing with demo means that deva will be the primary build for 8.2 unless major aoe fight
BV so much less valuable if you don’t get ava lined up
sick sentinel
BV is good because it has the most rage/sec
willow scarab
It already does less damage ST so that rage doesn’t make it valuable enough to still take in 8.2
sick sentinel
well if you care about defense, rage/sec is what you care about
and probably will also still be the better AoE talent anyway
also the on-demand rage is really useful
sick sentinel
sure
but if you care about ST dps, then you use deva already
BV will still give more in AoE probably
so itll probably still be the M+ talent
exactly
also more avatar -> a lot more rage -> less cd on demo shout (and avatar) -> more demo shout uptime
so itll come down to just popping both whenever
which we do
and having drastically less overlap
anyway
orchid token
i feel like they're underestimating the feedback loop of more avatar -> more rage -> more avatar
sick sentinel
^^
orchid token
hopefulyl they dont fix it by making the vision shield wall or something
its not paladin and warriors faults that other classes dont have dps CDs
give them DPS cds
sick sentinel
make bear pop incarn lmao
undone sun
😡
distant crystal
so i was just digging through my item restore
checkin out some scrapped azerite pieces, and i found Valyri's Fire-Proof bracers
kinda wondering if those might be worth equipping if i'm going outside to swap talents before Rixxa in high tyrannical ML
89 fire resist seems kinda juicy for those last two bosses :p
distant crystal
mine are 410
sick sentinel
it will be less than 2%
distant crystal
hrm is there anywhere in game to see that, even deja doesn't seem to show it
or do i just need to take fire dmg while wearing them and look at combat log?
sick sentinel
somebody went ahead and tested it
distant crystal
i'd lose 70 stam and 20ish vers wearing em
sick sentinel
plus the time in dungeon to go out and change
distant crystal
and some str and armor, i guess it'd probably be near negligible in either direction for Rixxa/Mogul
sick sentinel
sounds not worth
distant crystal
well going out to change would be to grab never surrender
and put on a different hat for bloodsport/impassive visage/azerite veins
undone sun
distant crystal
it's just kinda insane how rixxa destroys me on high tyrannical
and i mean it's not even particularly high but i guess it's all relative
might just be better to yell at the healer and the dps before pull "hey you guys don't stand in bad, also healer please pour heals into me as hard as you can cause this is gonna hurt"
the usual pattern is we lust, i die, we go back in without lust and everyone is more careful, and i hang on for dear life
willow scarab
You’re reflecting the debuff right
You can rotate people’s personals to soak it, it casts at the 2 people closest to the bosses unit
Hearthing out isn’t worth it imo but my rogue insists it is because he can go assas
distant crystal
ye i reflect and also dorf racial it off between the first two reflects
it's just her fire autoattacks that really seem to own me
willow scarab
How high are you doing it? The fight definitely hits hard but the next boss is way worse
I’m inclined to blame your healer and the dps taking unnecessary damage, I’m on your side for sure
distant crystal
not even particularly high, like 17/18
but i feel like next week with grievous it's gonna be extra scary
ionic fern
The last boss isn't that bad in ml..i feel like rixxa is worse on tyrannical
willow scarab
I constantly feel like I’m getting pumped by last boss
Spamming reflect for the autos and rolling cds the whole fight
ionic fern
hollow thorn
on last boss u at least get some downtime
ionic fern
hollow thorn
in intermission
ionic fern
And we lusted rixxa as well
hollow thorn
but 3rd boss is just constant magic dmg in ur face
ionic fern
That's 21 tyrannical
ionic fern
🤷
mellow bridge
What trinkets would you choose for m+ out of:
405 gore-crust
410 rezans
400 diamond with gem
410 Jes
400 Vial of animated blood
410 Idol from CoS
400 RAGE
I had been running rezan and gorecrust so far but I got the 410 jes from my weekly and yday I got 410 idol
orchid token
rezans and block if you want passives
vial + rage if you want double on use
idol + rezans if you want to go defensive
hollow thorn
Opu trinket also really strong
orchid token
eh
im not having this discussion again we did enough last night
but i think it sucks
astral crystal
go with your heart, not like min-maxing matters unless you're a topboi
strong forum
astral crystal
👧🏿
honest canopy
Bwosandi owns
sick sentinel
Was there a discussion last night about opu trinket?
Apart from the like 10 messages or so that I was involved in?
mellow bridge
well starting to hit +20 keys so I wanna optimize as much as I can :p
Sadly I couldnt play last week so I missed the best push week
oblique garnet
Why would you need to optimize your gear for 20s?
mellow bridge
Why wouldn't I optimize if I can?