protection

[sand egret]

they're a power shift on a global scale that will change how you look at our abilities

similar to how when a new set happened, suddenly talents became BIS, rotations changed, etc.

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto I don’t think it’s a bad thing to have specific talents that end up working out better, it’s pretty rare that any dps row for any class has “choice”

[marble wave]

Blooodsport isnt a thing in any keys, am i wrong?-_-

[sick sentinel]

bs is garbo

[sand egret]

the problem with contextual talents, is that it's intrinsically reliant on the distribution of that type of content

which is less of a talent problem

[lusty grotto]

really? because last i checked DHs had to use barrage or not for AOE vs ST, so they still do have a choice

[sand egret]

and more of an encounter problem

[lusty grotto]

same as frost mages for certain talents

[neon tangle]

You’re right, I sometimes change for AoE fights

[lusty grotto]

whereas rogues also change entire specs

[neon tangle]

Kinda like devastator

Lolol

[lusty grotto]

.......

that's not nearly the same

in fact it is nowhere near the same

[marble wave]

@lusty grotto but no 1 dh play barrage in high keys just cos of sims

[ember cape]

ok ok no need to go dissing rogues haha

'

[lusty grotto]

youre not gonna play devastator on keys

im talking about talent changes in keys specifically

[neon tangle]

You’re not going to play blade rush on keys either

[primal sable]

What

Why not

[lusty grotto]

depends on the affixes

tyrannical is more ST oriented, so any extra ST damage is good

especially on the obvious Tyr Bosses like Matrons/Galvazzt/UR puppy

[ember cape]

outlaw and assass dont change talents at all for different affixs

i know because im a rogue main

[neon tangle]

My point is really, changing talents isn’t really that interesting of gameplay

Also what myth said

[primal sable]

It could be tho

[lusty grotto]

so why have the options to begin with following your logic

it is interesting gameplay

cookie cutter specs are flat out fucking boring

[primal sable]

It definitely is, its just blizzard sucking at it

[lusty grotto]

i really do want to know why you think otherwise

[neon tangle]

I don’t think that pressing tome because I got to fight X super interesting

[ember cape]

yeah blizz needs to fix its shit

[primal sable]

Some specs play different with other talents

How is that not interesting gameplay

[neon tangle]

Like it sounds fun but in reality you just have talents you take for specific fights, and you always take them

And you end up back in no choice land again, just with a budget for tomes now

[primal sable]

And thats fine, as long as they dont dominate every context of gameplay

Not like fucking rogues that took a single set of talents to wqs, dungeons, raids

[neon tangle]

Same way for classes where traits effect talent choice: you always just take what sims best, or “if X trait take Y talent”

I want the class itself to be interesting to play, not to have super duper customization

I guess I don’t find reading a guide super interesting gameplay

[primal sable]

Super duper customisation creates interesting gameplay

[neon tangle]

Or punching top gear on raidbots

[ember cape]

i much rather play and learn but personal pref

[sick sentinel]

Wait did something happen to prot? Did they nerf us again?

Am I going to have to re roll to a fotm class?

[neon tangle]

Not that I know

[primal sable]

Yea you'll have to go guardian now

[ember cape]

ahaah guardian drood

[sick sentinel]

At least it's not VDH

[primal sable]

Thats for next patch

[supple plover]

Give it time poyo

[neon tangle]

@fresh valley my complaint is that it’s pretty similar to the old talent trees, lots of possible options, 1 mathematically superior one

[ember cape]

VDH #1

[neon tangle]

“False choice”

[sick sentinel]

I'll give it time when I'm not press 5 buttons maybe 6 if I'm lucky while playing Vengeance

[neon tangle]

In which case, I don’t really care about the illusion of choice

[primal sable]

Having one clear winner in the talents is fine

As long as there are different clear winners for what youre doing

[neon tangle]

Also agreed that stuff like d3 does better at giving options

And weird builds

[ember cape]

i mean tank wise does it really matter what will be meta and shit if you play the class well you will succeed

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[neon tangle]

But I think that would die if there was a competitive raiding scene in it

[sick sentinel]

I CAN OBLY PLAY REROLL CAUSE IM SMALL BRAIN

I CANT THINK FOR MYSELF

[ember cape]

ahaha same poyo same

[sick sentinel]

I mean after all prot was nerfed pretty hard so I'm looking to go to another tank

[mint adder]

Prot was not nerfed hard

[sick sentinel]

Ur right it wasn't nerfed hard

[ember cape]

imo it will still be 1 of the top tanks

[sick sentinel]

It was nerfed super hard

[mint adder]

Not even a bit

[sick sentinel]

That 50% damage to UF was such a huge nerf I can't play prot no more in 8.2

Such a huge nerf man

[ember cape]

whats UF

[old zephyr]

yeah it's like 3% dalage nerf or smth

[sick sentinel]

Ultra fury

[ember cape]

ahh

[sick sentinel]

Nah man it was 50% damage taken away

It was huge

[ember cape]

it was only a damage nerf

[sick sentinel]

I know it was huge cause Lepan said so

[old zephyr]

it's a 25 % damage loss during avatar window on a spell that is 40ish % of your damage

so 10% loss during avatar

0% outside

maybe closer to 5 than 3% okay

[lusty grotto]

Poyo is right big Nerf go away rerollers

🤝

Huge nerf

Reroll vdh they got a damage buff 😂

[celest gate]

So you mean go bear

Big damage

[lusty grotto]

Yes

[ember cape]

gross bear

[celest gate]

You leave bear alone

[ember cape]

thrash and swipe

[celest gate]

Bear is good gameplay and good spec

[ember cape]

im just shit stirring

[celest gate]

It more buttons than dh

[ember cape]

hahaha

thats great

[celest gate]

Also, isn't avatar uptime getting increased with the powers

So the nerf isn't as big

[old zephyr]

probably by quit a lot yeah

[exotic spoke]

Avatar uptime will likely be substantially higher from what I’ve seen on ptr if it stays this way

People are already bitching that we get such a powerful offensive cooldown effected by the Perfection(?) essence

[celest gate]

BoM best trait if ptr stays as is

?

[exotic spoke]

Not sure if the essence is called Perfection or not - but the tank one that procs and activates / reduces a cooldown for a bit

Paladins (I believe) and warriors get offensive / defensive abilities. Everyone else gets pretty much exclusively defensive/

But honestly, what other skill are they going to put on that ability for us?

Demo shout? Great more rage / less damage taken / more damage done / shorter cooldowns.

An even shorter last stand or shield wall? I’d be fine with that too. Bigger pulls because cooldowns are up more often = more dps

[ember cape]

soo what you are saying prot will still be viable

[exotic spoke]

Of course we’ll be viable. Every tank is viable.

Since I’ve returned right before legion - there hasn’t been a tank which isn’t viable

[ember cape]

sorry i should have said more across the lines of competitive with topish place

[slim cosmos]

"the meta pick"

that's the real question

[exotic spoke]

That is extremely hard to predict. No one saw what was going to happen to us at the end of last season.

It was a combination of more traits, addition of BoM, change to reaping primarily (imo) which made us preferred

[slim cosmos]

DK is currently "competitive with topish place" and they may as well be dogshit in the meta-obsessed M+ community

[exotic spoke]

Now, some classes are getting buffed, we’re (the wow population) are getting essences, and we don’t know the new affix.

Hard to say

[ember cape]

hmmm so really could depend on new affix

[exotic spoke]

It depends on a bunch of things. Too many variables

[ember cape]

ahh ok

[old zephyr]

prot is still gonna be top tier

maybe not god tier (i can see paladins there) but still top

[exotic spoke]

Our dps relative to others won’t change much imo. And as long as that’s the same we will have a competitive edge when it comes to m+ where dps matters a fuck ton.

Also, the general population isn’t doing keys where the “meta” comps matter. They are sheep that think they need to do it in order to complete low keys.

As an aside. Three scuffed ToS keys since Tuesday.

A 19 key by 1 second.
A 19 key by 11 seconds
A 20 key by 4 minutes because we done fucked up and not sure how we pulled one of the mobs causing a wipe

Feels bad man

[old zephyr]

you can do 15s with BDK, feral, fury Rsham and a random

[ember cape]

really you can do 15s with anything haha

[exotic spoke]

Personally, if the meta comp can get a brez in there as a dps or tank some how - I could see the healer shifting to rsham.

Sure the Druid can do dps, but since they finally fixed the innervate bug they are still there because of brez

[old zephyr]

nah druide are ahead of sham buy quite a bit still

if things go bad it's SUPER hard to revover as a sham

[lusty grotto]

Shamans mastery is made to recover what are you talking about

[exotic spoke]

But, rsham pump dps, have ahnk, a full strength hero / lust, another interrupt, hex, elemental, etc

[lusty grotto]

Also they do way more dps than rdruid with the traits

[exotic spoke]

They have a fucking dream of a toolkit

You just have to get a brez in there some other way

[slim cosmos]

I wonder why rsham wasn't the meta pick when BDK was

[exotic spoke]

Because of innervate

And how it was bugged for like 2 years

[lusty grotto]

Also traits

[exotic spoke]

That too

The bug with innervate cause it generate infinite energy when they used and it swapped to cat

[west galleon]

was that a bug i thought they just removed it

[exotic spoke]

It was never intended. When it lasts for almost 2 years or however long it was it starts to feel like it’s a feature though

[mint adder]

Rsham single target healing is the reason we switched off of it

[exotic spoke]

Overall - for the meta comp - I think something would have to change with rogues for changes to be made. Everything seems to be built around maximizing their dps and supporting them.

warriors give battle shout, and can do huge aoe pulls. (And pump dps at the same time)

Monk to buff their physical damage

Rogues - cause best AoE dps and shroud

Leaving the healer for brez.... which means Druid

What level key mid?

[mint adder]

21+ Tyran

And KR on 19+ haha

[exotic spoke]

Fair. I can see that in some instances.

Well obviously cause fuck that place

[mint adder]

Yep

[exotic spoke]

But MDI isn’t 21+ keys :p

[mint adder]

Oh i didn’t see where yall said you were talking mdi

My b

[frigid sundial]

what loa are prople using for their prot warriors?

[exotic spoke]

MDI dictates the meta. We didn’t specifically say it though

[primal sable]

Mdi is a speedrunning competition, its in no way indicative of the meta

Outside speedrunning

[mint adder]

Yikes, maybe the pug meta

[exotic spoke]

Oh I disagree Styx

And yes, was about to say that mid

The people doing 5-15 keys think that way.

[vocal skiff]

Idk, Ele Shaman is part of the meta, but have no place in MDI

[exotic spoke]

Truth

I honestly like spriests too

[primal sable]

Havoc is also part of the meta

[exotic spoke]

But you won’t see them in the MDI

[primal sable]

Honestly, mdi may as well be a different game than retail

[exotic spoke]

Yup

But, to casual viewers doing sub 15 keys they don’t understand the difference

[west galleon]

how are you agreeing w that when you just said mdi is meta

[umbral forge]

Shadow Priests for life.

[exotic spoke]

There are two metas delli

[west galleon]

[exotic spoke]

One for the people who actually do high keys and know them

And one for those that just watch MDI / do it casually

[lusty grotto]

There are only a handful of bosses where single target healing becomes relevant on tyrannical

[west galleon]

why'd you make the original conversation about mdi then

when he was talknig about 21 keys

[lusty grotto]

Kr 1st, siege 1st maybe, coven on the third witch debuff

[west galleon]

if you realize they're seperate things

🤔

[lusty grotto]

Conversations flow :p

[exotic spoke]

Delli, because people were asking about if we’d be competitive / top tier tank in 8.2 and I interpreted that as someone who has to pug

Therefore they deal with the perception of the community and thus it’s dictated by the MDI

[west galleon]

but you agreed with a non mdi thing being meta in low keysz

[lusty grotto]

People will always be sheep

[west galleon]

big confusion

[exotic spoke]

Delli, do you pug keys?

[west galleon]

yep

[exotic spoke]

What level?

[west galleon]

10s on 2 characters 15+ on 2 characters

[exotic spoke]

If you saw a spriest (and maybe you might not be the best example) or hdh trying to get into a comp would you take them over say a monk?

Assuming equal io and equal year

[west galleon]

depends on what i need? obviously?

[lusty grotto]

I would take sp on tyrannical weeks for sure

Especially on multi target bosses like siege last

[exotic spoke]

Obvious delli.

But the majority of people doing those level keys probably won’t

[west galleon]

idk where you got the concept that mdi dictates pug keys meta because honestly i haven't run a dungeon with a rogue in weeks

and I usually don't start my own groups

[lusty grotto]

It does

[west galleon]

highly disagree, otherwise would be with rogues every single run since there are 2 in nearly every mdi comp

[lusty grotto]

I have not run a key in forever without a rogue

[west galleon]

i must be an anomaly then

[exotic spoke]

You have an extremely low sample size of the population

[west galleon]

and you have a larger one? lol

[exotic spoke]

From talking to guildees who can’t get in as frost dks, enhance shaman, hunters, etc

[west galleon]

I'mnot saying it doesn't affect it, just like world first affects raids with spriest/lock stacking but it doesn't dictate the meta

[exotic spoke]

From reading forums, from looking at the groups from time to time where I see groups requesting rogue and monk or rdruid only

[vocal skiff]

I don't know why you would run a key above 15 without a rogue if you have the opportunity to do so

[lusty grotto]

Of course it does delli

[west galleon]

that's biased material because only people who can't get in complain

I'm not declining rogues, none sign up lmfao

[lusty grotto]

Why do you think we weren't invited to groups s1

[west galleon]

I mean I tanked keys in s1

not high keys per se but

wasn't hard to get in

[lusty grotto]

So did i

[ember cape]

wait @lusty grotto do you play a rogue as well?

[exotic spoke]

Trying to get into +15 groups was pure aids

[lusty grotto]

I also got declined heavily in s1

"not bdk"

I have a rogue alt yeah @ember cape

[exotic spoke]

In the end it boils down to your perception is your reality

There are two metas. Those at higher keys pushing and those that do lower keys (and are influenced by MDI - which trust me they are)

[west galleon]

nah don't agree but it's w/e

[exotic spoke]

You don’t agree that there are two metas or that people are influenced by MDI?

[west galleon]

I don't agree with "MDI dictates the meta"

[exotic spoke]

It doesn’t dictate the high key meta. But it really dictates the meta for people who don’t know any better

[lusty grotto]

What dictates de meta then? In your opinion

[west galleon]

I think it's more there's an obvious meta for higher keys and the lower keys are more of a shit show that are slightly influenced by MDI

[sand egret]

MDI is a product of the meta which also reinforces said meta

as the meta is the deemed optimal solution, in an environment where optimum play is the focus, this surfaces

which in turn influences casual viewers

[exotic spoke]

It’s a vicious cycle

[west galleon]

I just don't think there's a set meta in 5-15 as you said because I have no issues getting in 15s on my feral druid lmao

[exotic spoke]

But once you get to higher keys you can breathe freely

[sand egret]

having basically the same classes in the MDI doesn't help as it only amplifies a single perceived strategy.

[celest gate]

They thought you were boomien

😂

[sand egret]

prime example is UDK

[west galleon]

nah whisper lead telling them just so they know

[lusty grotto]

People tend to be more creative in higher keys.. Doesn't mean the meta isn't relevant

[exotic spoke]

Lucky you. I can’t tell you how many times I was declined for not being Bdk in season 1

[lusty grotto]

I invited a feral last week

[sand egret]

It's less set meta, and more an issue of the path off least resistence

[lusty grotto]

It was tyrannical, so I thought the st on him would be adecuate

[sand egret]

this path is simply informed via the meta

lower keys just hedge their bets or dont care

[west galleon]

yeah i ESPECIALLY don't agree with there even being a meta for 5-9 keys

[sand egret]

there isn't a "meta" for those keys per se

[sage comet]

5-9 meta is ilvl

[sand egret]

it's that the meta is placed upon that key range

[west galleon]

KR +5 1200 io 415+ or don't sign up

[primal sable]

5-9 is actually pressing your buttons, not ilvl

[lusty grotto]

You are also more likely to be reinvited if you prove you're an exceptional player in comparison to pure pugging

[exotic spoke]

It’s the try hards that think they are good and want to go for meta comps

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern is it worth dropping ilvl for more crit so I get more parry?

[lusty grotto]

No

[primal sable]

No

[sand egret]

Negative

Nein

[exotic spoke]

Nein

[wooden radish]

My question is directed at @ionic fern ty

[exotic spoke]

Fuck

[west galleon]

he said fuck yall dumb bitches i want mwahi

[lusty grotto]

Well fuck have you heard of private messages

[sand egret]

ding ding

isn't Mwahi an EU boi?

so maybe it'd be a "Nej"

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

Now I'm mad

Hey @sand egret are we viable yet

Heh

[primal sable]

Nim isnt mean

Unless you come here randomly saying the L word

[west galleon]

lesbian?

[primal sable]

L E E C H

[exotic spoke]

Might have been me jonathonsnow. Actually nm. I saw that too lol

Leechip is real

[west galleon]

how u gonna type nvm instead of backspacing

[sand egret]

I dunno @lusty grotto , how much leech you packin?

[exotic spoke]

Train of thought

And on phone at work

[sand egret]

at least you won't hear the L word as much in 8.2

the V word though

woof

[lusty grotto]

In my defense, if you passive aggressively reply to our answers because you're directing a question to 1 user in particular in a channel full of people that could adequately answer, I will be full on aggressive as well.

[sand egret]

that's gonna go through the roof

[west galleon]

im going lesbian for 8.2

so u might hear it a lil bit

[exotic spoke]

Hot

[sand egret]

reroller

[lusty grotto]

Shskodjfjs

[west galleon]

FotM :/

[exotic spoke]

Flavor of the Muff?

[west galleon]

ew

lmfao

[sand egret]

lol ok that is good, bad but good

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[sand egret]

really threaded the needle on that one

[exotic spoke]

I have my moments

My Frost mage May reroll to rogue.

Could be good 😃

[west galleon]

mage in 2019

[exotic spoke]

He makes it work.

My comp is spriest hdh fmage rdruid and prot (me)

[west galleon]

my old mage friend would always yell at me about frozen orb

[neon tangle]

Imagine if he put that passion in to a rogue tho

[lusty grotto]

Is this the meta talking tho

[west galleon]

yikes dictated by mdi

[exotic spoke]

He’s thinking it. The issue would be maintaining two / getting raid gear on the rogue.

This is he’s not happy with Frost right now and historically how it starts to drop off towards the end of expansion

[west galleon]

toxic

[lusty grotto]

Ruh roh

[neon tangle]

I mean I wouldn’t bet on rogue yet

[exotic spoke]

Since we probably can’t let him swap from mage to rogue for raids

[west galleon]

forst mage doesn't always fall off

[neon tangle]

Wait until 8.2 and see what happens

[exotic spoke]

It doesn’t, but historically it does a good amount of times

He’s getting it ready Incase he doesn’t like 8.2

[neon tangle]

Blizz has both said that melee isn’t threatened enough in m+ and that they are reworking dungeon %

[lusty grotto]

My brother is gearing his rogue cause he wants to run 15+ now, and since we always go with an rdruid he probably will retire his mw monk

[neon tangle]

Which could leave rogue out of the meta depending on how those go

[west galleon]

nerf rogue until it's unplayable

:(

[lusty grotto]

Check this out

[west galleon]

that was cool

thanks for sharing

[lusty grotto]

Lmao

[west galleon]

pally getting carried by a rogue? meh

[lusty grotto]

Nah we carried my brother's rogue

[west galleon]

obv i was joking lol

[lusty grotto]

The pally was a pug we invited to just fill the group

[west galleon]

i didn't think the 325 carried lul

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto does he have 3 of the “heal with no one around” traits?

[lusty grotto]

He has green gear lol

[neon tangle]

The pally

[lusty grotto]

Oh

Idk

[west galleon]

yes he do

[mental scarab]

@shut summit how do you get buffs/debuffs on the floating nameplates?

[lusty grotto]

self reliance?

yup that's it

[lime mantle]

Let him live his bad ass lone wolf who needs no help fantasy

[west galleon]

self reliance in dungeons as melee

omegalul

[lusty grotto]

hey i aint judging, we just needed bodies to fill

i think i might have the log

let me check

[west galleon]

nah u gotta check everyone's azerite before inviting them now

[sand egret]

coulda been left over from Quaking 😃

[west galleon]

only top tier bitches

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rNb9zvTxJ4BdmnMq#fight=4

[west galleon]

you logged a 10? 💀

and a 407 only did 18k lmfao

[lusty grotto]

i have auto log on exrt

so it just turns on :p

[west galleon]

ah my log addon asks if i want to log when i enter an instance

then i have to upload it ;-;

[sand egret]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rNb9zvTxJ4BdmnMq#fight=4&type=healing&ability=270661

the real stats to look at

[lusty grotto]

lol

[west galleon]

u didn't reflect rocket lance

:(

[sand egret]

not to be mistaken from its terrestrial counterpart, Rock Lance

[lusty grotto]

im used to people interrupting it

[west galleon]

oops lmfao

boi u interrupted 7/8 of them

💀

flame nimchips logs

[lusty grotto]

😦

[west galleon]

jk im used to it too most people don't let them go through

[sand egret]

look the only reason he's able to pull that off is cuz of Stewart

so don't be too hard on him

[lusty grotto]

yes i agree

[sand egret]

not his fault his carry is too strong

[lusty grotto]

stewart carries me

[sand egret]

you'd look like shit too if you had to stack up against the Stew

[lusty grotto]

if trevor makes his return though

i think my carry would be at an impasse

[sand egret]

He probably will

his Herald is the "big bad" of this expac, after all.

[lusty grotto]

god help us

[sand egret]

gods can't help us against those who are above them

[lusty grotto]

😢

[sand egret]

WoW is just one big pet battle, and we're the pets.

[final mist]

$pb @fresh valley

[turbid robin]

Done.

[lusty grotto]

rip

[sand egret]

and so his watch has ended.

[lusty grotto]

an so his watch has ended

[final mist]

I’ll never understand why people think it’s okay or funny to just

Post spoilers

[sand egret]

tbh, I bet he didn't even consider it

[west galleon]

what did he spoil

GoT?

[eager tartan]

spoiler, is trash

[lusty grotto]

do i have to post that picture again

[eager tartan]

hell I dont even know what I'm spoiling

but I'm sure is trash

[lusty grotto]

yeah, youre that lady though 😃

[west galleon]

top comment on every GoT post: "Anyone else not watch this show? 🙄 "

[lusty grotto]

ok ok uncluttering it 😃

lmao

you forgot the "DAE"

[eager tartan]

hey if anything I'm the victim here

I've been a decade tolerating spoilers as someone who only read the books

[lusty grotto]

sry no bully

[eager tartan]

and I'l probably die without knowing the end

sad story

[lusty grotto]

so will i apparently

damn GRRM

"writing is going well"

"... to be released 2051"

[west galleon]

he's gonna have a heart attack before releasing

[eager tartan]

this is a terrible thing to say

but I hope he dies if he doesnt intend to finish em

I'm sure some bastard son or something will do it

[lusty grotto]

😮

[final mist]

If he dies, all his notes and shit are going up in smoke

[west galleon]

he's old and fat as shit

if he survives i'll be surprised

[final mist]

It’s in his will and his wife is all aboard that train

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[eager tartan]

to be fair that would be one hell of a trolling

I like it

[west galleon]

have yall seen the amount of people thinking they're incredibly clever saying their theories that bran will wake up and it's all a dream

makes me wanna kms

[lusty grotto]

ruh roh

its weird how that is the go-to fan theory for... just about everything

[west galleon]

coma theories are so deep and smart amirite

[celest gate]

I thought I could escape this show in protection channel

[lusty grotto]

do i have to post the lady meme again

[west galleon]

ya

[final mist]

No, but he’s right, this should be moved to #off-topic

[eager tartan]

lets discuss the huge nerf on protection again

and how trash tier will be in 8.2

[lusty grotto]

yuge

[celest gate]

B I G

[final mist]

Cant be nerfed if you quit the game :wethink:

[west galleon]

bigly

[celest gate]

reroll bear druid

Or vdh

Become M e t a

[lusty grotto]

i keep wondering what aids shit will be the new seasonal though

[eager tartan]

I'll never reroll to one of them green weebs

[lusty grotto]

"the group takes damage every time you aoe"

[celest gate]

Hopefully nothing similar to infested

[final mist]

I quit WoW and rerolled to FFXIV Warrior, now I’m the best tank in the game

[celest gate]

Infested was don you have hard cc

[lusty grotto]

my friends are playing ffxiv again cause they wanna play the expansion coming out

[west galleon]

azshara floods the dungeon making alll combat underwater

[celest gate]

Ffxiv is just wow vacation

[lusty grotto]

i dont know if i should give in

[celest gate]

It's fun

[lusty grotto]

my BLM has been retired since heavensward

[celest gate]

I didnt enjoy tanking too much with singlentaunts

[umbral forge]

Man

Reddit & Chill is awesome

[lusty grotto]

i think i tried tanking with PAL at some point

which i completely disliked

[lime mantle]

Xiv tanking is pre mop tanking aka boring as all fuck.

[lusty grotto]

hehe

[final mist]

I dislike PLD, but I rather enjoy DRK and WAR

Warrior is hilariously fun, both in the rotations and the damage you put out

And of course the game looks gorgeous and all the animations are pretty poggers

[eager tartan]

oriental art design will almost always be a no no for me

[lime mantle]

Too bad it plays like wow 0.5

[eager tartan]

unless is done like Sekiro

[lime mantle]

I really dislike xiv as a game, but it is very, very pretty and there is plenty of nice western designs

Most low level armor is 💯

[final mist]

It’s really not that slow. It is at lower levels, sure, but most of the classes have a fuckload of abilities and you’re hitting two abilities every GCD or so.

[lime mantle]

Except every GCD is 2.40s, even ogcds are in an inner gcd to avoid “oneshot all cd” macros, etc...

[lusty grotto]

i liked the story most of all

[lime mantle]

Also tab bar combat is horrible game design, which one can allow in a 15 year old game like wow, but I sure as hell wouldn’t play a new game with a tab bar combat.
I didn’t play WAR and I am a massive WHF fan.

[lusty grotto]

its not exceptional writing by any means, but i like how it continues directly from patch to patch to expansion and so on

hmm

i dont think i used tab bars when i played my blm

but i know they were a thing

[lime mantle]

Tab bar mmo=Game that works like wow

Y’know press abilities and choose target vs action MMOs (See Vindictus (;-;))

[lusty grotto]

oh i thought you meant like switching the hotkey bars

got it

[lime mantle]

Yeah

[slim cosmos]

I don't like how one of the more challenging aspects of wow is simply just targeting the right enemy

[celest gate]

Isn't that every game though

[slim cosmos]

someone even came up with a solution for this problem, that old addon that warlocks used that would put a frame up for every enemy in close range

but blizz took it away instead of integrating it into the game

[vocal skiff]

the wow targetting system is very clunky

[lusty grotto]

i got it

the new seasonal affix will be

[lime mantle]

WoD targeting to legion change 😹

[sand egret]

hey @final mist , you looking forward to Darkbringers?

[lusty grotto]

"Tab targetting is now on the gcd"

[lime mantle]

Tab bar mmo target is absurdly derpy and clunky in general

[lusty grotto]

LMAO

[lime mantle]

OH YES

I love it

10/10

[lusty grotto]

that's the most aids shit i can think of

[sand egret]

or Shadowbringers?

[final mist]

I play DRK more than Warrior, so

Yes 👏👏

[sand egret]

Nice, I haven't looked at what's new in it but I like the themeatic direction. I also loved the DRK so i'm with ya

[lime mantle]

Tbh only redeeming feature of xiv is dark quest

Aka

“This is your family now lMaO you don’t get to be edgy”

[slim cosmos]

btw, what's considered good avatar uptime throughout a dungeon?

I'm getting around 35% which feels a bit low

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

you cant really judge based on uptime

you don't get to maintain it up

i dont think that's a useful metric to go by

[slim cosmos]

hm, yeah, it will vary too much by dungeon and affixes etc

[lusty grotto]

you can check the casts/timeline and see if you're using it roughly every 45-60s

[slim cosmos]

good idea

[lusty grotto]

i think that would be more useful

would also be good indication of rage management, though you can see that in the logs by itself

[slim cosmos]

we should be getting 0% rage waste yeah? don't think we're "forced" to waste resources like some classes are

[celest gate]

Something like that yeah

[lusty grotto]

its been a while since ive seen resource management on wcl

but

if you're capped for too long you should be effectively "wasting rage"

i guess its not as simple, since AM is a huge part of rage management

[slim cosmos]

so I tend to try and generate and spend rage as quickly as possible, pooling a bit when it's dangerous

when I get close to cap I dump it with IP even if i'm IP capped

[lusty grotto]

you should try to generate as quickly as possible

you shouldn't try to spend it all on a whim

[slim cosmos]

but you should spend it to avoid hitting the cap right?

[lusty grotto]

i guess the reason why we don't look at it much anymore is the amount of rage generated due to big pulls in M+, for example

yea

[lime mantle]

If you wanna manage rage go into lfr or just raid as devastate build

Devastator

It has lower rage so you’ll be forced to@manage it

[slim cosmos]

what do you mean by manage in this context? the typical M+ build doesn't have rage management?

[primal sable]

Rage generation is similar to booming voice in single target

[lime mantle]

Instead of in m+ where as chip said 60 dudes bash your head in whic makes you angery which makes you spam IP to not cap

[slim cosmos]

ah ic

[lime mantle]

It’s less bursty

So you have to save rage instead of “I need rage let me scream for more”

Also less buttons to press and hence more time to think about why press buttons

[slim cosmos]

yeah

it's a bit boring though IMO, i much prefer the M+ style gameplay esp this season

really hoping the next seasonal affix won't force us to pull small

[lime mantle]

As said it's to be playing the "micro" game while not being forced into a "PRESS EVERYTHING" mode which happens to me that's why I prefer to learn fights with devastator

[slim cosmos]

yeah, that makes sense

same reason I like playing sin rogue actually

[willow star]

would you recommend Deathguard's blade on 400 with socket or apetagonizer's claw on 405 with leech?

[slim cosmos]

claw

[lusty grotto]

ilvl > all

you don't need to mention leech

because it doesn't matter

[drowsy salmon]

hei, today we were talking about IL and ring with socket. Here a perfect example

assuming i'll enchant 37 haste, what should be the best? can socket and avoidance compare with 20 item level?

[lusty grotto]

no

use 400

[primal sable]

Stamina is a thing too

[neon tangle]

The 400 is slightly less secondaries, more stam

I’d do the 400 personally

[lusty grotto]

its not slightly more secondaries

its more secondaries

[neon tangle]

A socket is 25 ilvls of secondaries on a ring

[drowsy salmon]

25 item level??

[primal sable]

Socket should be 40 stats tho

[slim cosmos]

wait why gem +30

[neon tangle]

458 on the 400, 462 including the socket on the 380

[slim cosmos]

+40 is like 20g on my server

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto he's dumb and using a +30 gem

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck

[neon tangle]

but, yes, add 10 more to your math and you got it

[drowsy salmon]

assuming to use +40

it's just a simple sum of secondaries stats?

[primal sable]

Its 4 secondary stats vs 70 stamina

[drowsy salmon]

regardless of priority within haste, crit etc?

[modern brook]

I mean

If we're honestly going to tell someone whos using a 380 ring to use a 380 ring > 400

[lusty grotto]

you're telling m

[modern brook]

I'ma have to slap a lot of ppl here

[neon tangle]

can't tell if trolling nimchip

[modern brook]

380 ring ==> Sub 400 overall ilvl ==> stamina matters

Or at least

Stamina matters more than lol 4 haste

[neon tangle]

^^^ this is true

[lusty grotto]

quick whats the name of the 40 haste gem

[modern brook]

owlseye

[neon tangle]

quick owlseye?

[modern brook]

fast owlseye or somethin yeh

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

[neon tangle]

I still really can't tell if nim is trolling

and has been using 30-stat gems for all of BfA

[modern brook]

More like nimbo

[primal sable]

Nim did an oopsie

[lusty grotto]

nobody saw anything

[modern brook]

(thats a bimbo joke - nims only here for his sex appeal)

[lusty grotto]

what are you guys talking about

[celest gate]

😡

Reading***

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[primal sable]

Imagine having socket privilege and using it incorrectly

[lusty grotto]

pshaw

some people right?

[neon tangle]

also @lusty grotto @modern brook re: when I'd drop ilvls for rings, as my overall ilvl (and thus stam) increases I'm more willing to drop stam for secondaries

[modern brook]

I've said before

Once you're 405+

gearing is whatever you want it to be

[neon tangle]

380 vs. 400? You prolly want the 400, if I'm looking at a 400 vs. 415 or 420? I might do the 400

[modern brook]

But if you're sub 400 you actually have to try and not die

at least with current content*

[celest gate]

What kind of keys you doing where you dont die

😡

[modern brook]

the kind where shield block prevents all damage i take??

[celest gate]

So like 10s

Gotcha

[primal sable]

Why would you die in any key ever

[modern brook]

More importnatly: imagine pretending like scaling content is even worth discussing in this metric

[primal sable]

Just like, ignore pain my dude

[lusty grotto]

i just wanna say

[celest gate]

Imagine people who do scaling content

😂

[lusty grotto]

stewart carries me

[jovial haven]

good ol Stewart

[neon tangle]

stew knows what's up

My guild is working its way up the server rankings

mostly because the other guilds are dying

[modern brook]

still counts

[lusty grotto]

if you're not first youre last and you snooze you lose

and equivalent quotes

second is the first loser?

[neon tangle]

oh hey method did it

[modern brook]

yeah but who cares?

[west galleon]

i liked their video where they made a 2 and played sad music over it

[drowsy salmon]

on a weapon a socket can be compared to 5 Item level?

[lusty grotto]

never

higher ilvl is higher dps which translates to higher damage scaling on our abilities

you cannot socket weapon dps, nor block value

sockets are never considered for weapons or shields

always ilvl

[sick sentinel]

highest timed KR this week is a 19

we attempted a 21

not fun

[wary lantern]

And here i still need my 15 Timed lol

[modern brook]

oh fuck

i need to do my key for the week on my rouge

[oblique garnet]

I mean we were doing ok till 2nd boss

and after 2nd boss we were at 27 minutes

so we would have 15 minutes left

even if we hadnt wiped we wouldnt have timed it

[lusty grotto]

lmao

that oozes + big dude might be rough for the unprepared

also

those 3 fucking rogues that no DH ever gets fucking out in Temple

"mr dh can you get the rogue out?"

ok we got 1 out

do boss

OW SHIT THERES 2 MORE

then surprise 2 more rogues on the way to 2nd boss

the rdruid got deleted by them

[warm plinth]

I got 2 out on my DH. And by that I mean the tank ran ahead and two of them jumped me.

[lusty grotto]

also the rogue got blade flurried to death

which was particularly funny

i mean

i gotta admit that was pretty funny, on both rogue packs

i just didn't remember them at all

[sand egret]

omg seriously what is with DH's

like that's their one unique job

in like the ONE dungeon where it matters

same shit happened to me this week in ToS

[oblique garnet]

find them when they are stealthy bois

no

its your job

to get stunned

Then you can blame the dps for dying to aggro

[exotic spoke]

I despise ToS this week

Purely from my groups inability.

Just bad experiences

[warm plinth]

In my defense, it was my 2nd time doing TOS and I didn’t know there were stealthy bois 😭

[exotic spoke]

Lol. Could be worse

Do you know how frustrating it is to miss a key by 1 second?

[lusty grotto]

ToS is hella easy this week

so is UR

its just those rogue bois you gotta be careful

and the giga teeming elemental pack before 3rd boss

[exotic spoke]

Oh it is easy. That’s why I hate it

[lusty grotto]

i swear to god there's like 7 elementals there

[exotic spoke]

Miss timed a 19 by 1 second. Miss timing a 19 by 11 seconds

Purely user error. We just done fucked up

[lusty grotto]

on the off chance they rng decide to target 1 person, they get deleted

with their chain shit

[exotic spoke]

Truth. That happened to our spriest twice

[lusty grotto]

lol

[exotic spoke]

Died, rezzed. Died

[lusty grotto]

i mean its funny

[exotic spoke]

Not when you fail the timer by the amounts listed above lol

[lusty grotto]

true

[exotic spoke]

In hindsight it will be

But it’s sore right now

[lusty grotto]

yes in hindsight

fuck im just laughing about it right now

[exotic spoke]

You’re a dick. But you’re honest

[lusty grotto]

the same rogue that got deleted by blade flurry got chained by that pack

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

i mean lmao

"ow! shit!"

[exotic spoke]

Tragedy + time = comedy

[lusty grotto]

now that you say the whole died, rezzed, died thing

i think it happened in a run but im trying to remember which

not temple though

[exotic spoke]

KR?

[lusty grotto]

Hmm

[warm plinth]

I timed an 11 KR this week. 👍

It's like I'm a professional M+er now

[exotic spoke]

🍻

[oblique garnet]

Yes you are

[lusty grotto]

👢 🍵 👏

[warm plinth]

It wasn't on my warrior, sadly

[sand egret]

revoked.

[warm plinth]

My warrior did a +9 Underrot that I'll be repressing

[oblique garnet]

Ghash

I thought you were chad

[warm plinth]

My first tanking I've done this expansion and it wasn't pretty.

[oblique garnet]

Smh

Waithold up

[lusty grotto]

late go to sleep

[oblique garnet]

^Your first tanking*

??

[sand egret]

if you're not experiencing the joys of reflecting the Cyclone Strike....you're really doing yourself a disservice

[warm plinth]

I've been leveling characters the whole expansion

[sand egret]

easily one of the more rewarding things to do in this game

[oblique garnet]

But you know more about prot than me

[warm plinth]

The only M+ I've done at all is only because people asked me to go with them, and it was mostly on my havoc DH

[oblique garnet]

@lusty grotto no i will not sleep

[warm plinth]

That's because I'm a loser who reads information for fun and regurgitates it at people

[lusty grotto]

but is it more rewarding than having your rogue get blade flurried to death by 2 surprise rogues on the way to ToS 2nd boss AND getting chained by 5 elementals before 3rd boss? Clearly not

[exotic spoke]

Oh I love reflecting cyclone strike

Until the dps fail to interrupt a gust / jolt right before it goes off

RIP

[warm plinth]

I'd only done UR like twice before, both as DPS. So I was completely out of my element. Combine that with having 2 ranged DPS (warlock and boomkin) made for a very fun time trying not to die to shit.

[oblique garnet]

Just dont reflect it LuL

[exotic spoke]

they didn’t call it out - I assumed they had it.

[warm plinth]

lul

[exotic spoke]

Because they’ve had it like every other time

[lusty grotto]

thats why i always reflect the 2nd strike

fuck relying on interrupts

[exotic spoke]

Oh, it lines up better and is safer?

[lusty grotto]

usually

[exotic spoke]

I just like seeing big numbers flash on the screen

[lusty grotto]

ye

[sand egret]

ifff they only flashed

[exotic spoke]

And one way or the other - cyclone strike will make that happen

[sand egret]

reflects are so low key

just casual non-crit numbers for like 100k

[lusty grotto]

you can see them

true

[sand egret]

them shits should appear as Crits

[exotic spoke]

Casual not crits for 650 on tyrannical Ir

[lusty grotto]

they should have a fanfare

[exotic spoke]

UR

[sand egret]

that's the feedback needed to reinforce proper use of SR

[lusty grotto]

yeah not that shitty swoosh sound

who the fuck came up with that shitty sound anyway

[sand egret]

i bet people would be way more inclined if they saw a fucking phat 6 digit number pop up

not it being hidden behind like a 20k crit

[exotic spoke]

When I see the boss’ hp chunk it feels good

[lusty grotto]

sounds like someone swiping their ass

[oblique garnet]

Imagine if reflected damage showed on details

[sand egret]

but that's just how their combat text is set up, unfortunately

[exotic spoke]

Some dps were like “just don’t reflect it” and I was like..//. But the damage.... it’s soooo good

[sand egret]

they just need to treat reflects as Crits

so they take overlay priority

[exotic spoke]

The cries for SR to be nerfed would be incredible

[oblique garnet]

They already want it nerfed

????

What the fuck

[exotic spoke]

It would be worse I mean

[sand egret]

his was a statement of degree

not a binary statement

[oblique garnet]

How could it be worse than what it is now

[exotic spoke]

Like thunderclap would take a back seat to it imo

[sand egret]

very easily

[exotic spoke]

In the public perception

[lusty grotto]

wait wait i got the new seasonal now

i got it

[sand egret]

I just got to thinkin.....

Naga themed...

[oblique garnet]

It wouldnt because most prot warriors still dont use sr on everything

[sand egret]

Stewart is a fish...

🤔

[exotic spoke]

Nagas belong in the slave pens not in Boralus

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

AND... spell reflect now heals the boss

[exotic spoke]

Oooffff

[sand egret]

tab on the gcd

[lusty grotto]

that's the affix guys, pack it up

[sand egret]

is just hilarious

[oblique garnet]

But

What if you dont tab target?

[lusty grotto]

clicking is also on the gcd

sorry

[sand egret]

target accquistion

[exotic spoke]

I’m curious as to what the new affix will be as well. I hope it’s not something along the lines of infested

[oblique garnet]

Literally quitting if its like infested and going to classic

[exotic spoke]

Oof

Classic

[oblique garnet]

Or maybe ill quit the game alltogether and just go outside and see the sun

[lusty grotto]

it probably will be like infested

im pretty sure

[sand egret]

it'll be infested but won't be limiting like infested

[lusty grotto]

at least it sounded like it will be

[exotic spoke]

Oh lasts night on mekkatorque.... it was great.

I finally had some one ask how the fuck am I not taking damage from buster cannon as I’m running towards / into the shot when people standing next to me are

[lusty grotto]

"reaping too easy"

[exotic spoke]

Ditto nim

[sand egret]

basically, the aoe heal component was the issue as it made multipacks not a thing

[lusty grotto]

yeah fuck that shit

[sand egret]

but the need to single target was good

it was why you had to, was the issue

I think they'll change the why

to make it more big pull friendly, but with the need for focus targets

[lusty grotto]

i highly doubt they want to remain big pull friendly

at least it didnt sound like they did

[sand egret]

big pull friendly =/= reaping

reaping is like the end of the spectrum, i"m speaking of not having to splice pulls

as the slow-down to set that up was a pain point of Infested

[slim cosmos]

yeah, that sucked in pugs. I always had to explain the pulls at the start of the dungeon

[oblique garnet]

Forced cc is not fun

[slim cosmos]

and of course ppl would forget

[sand egret]

basically

[oblique garnet]

I just pulled the infested packs without cc

Cba

[sand egret]

if you're CCing because it allows you to pull biiiiger, that's a different thing

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much

[sand egret]

I see the new affix as something that simply creates artificial priority targets, but doesn't also create bullshit caps on your pulling cadence (like an infested mob when it made its way into a pack)

kinda like Explosive but the mobs themselves

[exotic spoke]

Someone randomly mced / stunned? For a few seconds

Or what if they turned on friendly fire for one person randomly

[sand egret]

that'll be the season after

[sick sentinel]

tab is on the gcd? wut?

[sand egret]

(it was a troll, by Nim)

disregard that @sick sentinel 😃

[sick sentinel]

i was going to cry if that was real.

[sand egret]

I'm thinking more of, one mob gets a buff that creates a ramping damage buff for other mobs until they take X damage.

[drifting pewter]

is it worth it to grind out the pattern for the 415 helm?

[sand egret]

and this buff happens in combat

[drifting pewter]

I don't have any of them, but if its worth it ill get started

[sand egret]

the engi helm is pretty solid,

up to you on the "worth the grind" part

[sick sentinel]

engineer helm? eh, maybe, i probably wouldn't the traits don't seem too competitive

[drifting pewter]

i'll look into it

im only at 390 so theres definitely room for improvement on that front lol

[sand egret]

like if it'll get you a 415 so you can spend your TR on other slots, go for it

esp iff you don't have access to 415s easily

i.e Raids/PvP

[sick sentinel]

there is a bit of glitch/exploit going on with leveling engineering, where you get to minimum required to make 1 goggles, and then you just scrap it, and it gives you back your cores and explusom

but you have to spend the ore again, so you can make them and scrap over and over for free points

[slim cosmos]

that's intended im pretty sure

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's 100% intended

[modern brook]

^ 100% intended

all crafting ones can do that

[drifting pewter]

oh so you spam craft the goggles until you get the recipe upgrade huh

[lusty grotto]

the traits ARE competitive

[sick sentinel]

feels like something that you'd potentially get tiny ban for if you did soley that to max

[drifting pewter]

Its intended though, as far as everyone says

so its all good

[lusty grotto]

yeah its intended

[drifting pewter]

well hey thanks guys i'll look into it

I definitely need a 415 helm

[sick sentinel]

I don't raid enough BoD for it to be worth it for me to make them.

[slim cosmos]

no you get the next level recipe when you scrap the item

craft 385 engi helm -> scrap -> get recipe for 400

[sick sentinel]

only got 24 breaths myself

[lusty grotto]

what are you talking about jc

you get the recipe when you craft it

scrapping has nothing to do with it

[drifting pewter]

yea

I remember that part

[slim cosmos]

oh i might be misremembering it then

[lusty grotto]

anyway getting breaths isn't as hard

mythic champs is puggable xrealm

you can do up to.. meka fairly easily in HC

mekka is the real barrier for pugs to be honest

[sick sentinel]

I just prefer doing keys myself to raiding

[lusty grotto]

shrug it takes very little time and usually they fill out quickly

plus it is def worth it to do as a prot warrior considering Shield + Chest drop from it

[tepid raptor]

Rezan + Prism or Prism + Vial ?

m+

[sick sentinel]

that's the only reason i'd raid bod is the ever chill and diamond

[drowsy salmon]

lifespeed or bloos siphon

[sick sentinel]

would need to be a mythic version too, since everything i have equipped is 410 or above.

[drowsy salmon]

i assume that are in descending priority

[oblique garnet]

Bloodsiphon

[sick sentinel]

but im not good enough for mythic raiding

[slim cosmos]

if you can time like +12s or so you can kill 1st boss of M bod

and the 415 shield you might get will help a ton in dungeons

or the chest is also one of the best ones for m+

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/characters/us/draenor/Zedek this is my character nearly 1200 io

413 ilvl

[ionic fern]

@wooden radish

[sharp abyss]

Hey I was wondering if there is anything I can do or change to help with me in heroic bod or keys because i feel a little bit like I am to squishy

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern ❤

[lusty grotto]

yes, reading the icy veins guide @sharp abyss

[drowsy salmon]

and about weapon, is better higher max or min damage?

[sharp abyss]

Done

[lusty grotto]

after you did that, you can show us a log and we can point where you screwed up

dps @drowsy salmon

[open bluff]

@drowsy salmon weapon damage is normalized, so just take whatever your highest ilvl is

[sharp abyss]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/sargeras/delithvia?mode=detailed&zone=21#zone=21&difficulty=4&spec=Protection&boss=2265 @lusty grotto

[open bluff]

the only time any other stat matters on a weapon (and most armor pieces fwiw) is if it's equal ilvl

[lusty grotto]

i have identified your problem

you're a void elf

[sharp abyss]

L

[open bluff]

dwarf or gtfo

[sharp abyss]

leveling a dwarf pally and monk

[lusty grotto]

do you have any other logs than champs?

things can get dicey depending on how you handle stacks

[drowsy salmon]

@open bluff yes i was speaking same item level

[sharp abyss]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/sargeras/delithvia#zone=21&difficulty=4&spec=Protection

[lusty grotto]

i gotta point out

that Garmon guy

holy fuck lol

alright that's enough

let me see

your effective blocking is abysmally low on grong

you blocked 1 smash

you are not using Last Stand at all

[oblique garnet]

I have around 80% effective block uptime on grong so you should work on that

[lusty grotto]

read the Bolster talent

[sharp abyss]

So i can pop last stand to block it instead of using shield block

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

i've been told you can also block things like sharknado in FH from these guys too

[oblique garnet]

Yes

That is true

[sand egret]

Bolster makes your LS give you 100% block chance for its duration

aka SB without the damage bonus

[lusty grotto]

you want to LS when you have SB gaps

[sick sentinel]

I always figured that you could only block physical based single target attacks similiar to how spell reflect works

[lusty grotto]

as a way to cover for the fact that you're waiting for SB to refresh

[sand egret]

with a 15 second duration, it's at least 1 SB charge

[lusty grotto]

you can also block the bladestorm from KR gauntlet dude

ok so

[sick sentinel]

the whirling axes?

[lusty grotto]

let me check these spell reflects

[sand egret]

Blockable/Reflectable Spells Sheet - https://goo.gl/Tb49B3

all right here 😃

[autumn pendant]

I saw guy standing in sharknado on FH +26 and his hp didnt even move

[sand egret]

yeah i never move for that shit

sometimes I take damage....then I realize I'm standing on a shark

[lusty grotto]

you are not Spell Reflecting bestial throw @sharp abyss

[sand egret]

@sick sentinel naw, the miniboss mob in the room where they all spawn in sequence

the actual Bladestorm cast

[lusty grotto]

are you the target for the 3rd cast in the combo? press spell reflect cause you will get thrown immediately after that. You will take 0 damage from the grip if you do it correctly.

@sharp abyss

[sharp abyss]

Okay thanks for the tips

[oblique garnet]

You can also shieldblock raals big aoe blast in wcm

And thorned barrage from matron

[sick sentinel]

@sand egret the bloodied leap guys? berserkers?

[oblique garnet]

No one of the kings

[lusty grotto]

yeah the gauntlet

[sand egret]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=137474/king-timalji

[lusty grotto]

there's only 1 gauntlet

[oblique garnet]

Wrong king

[lusty grotto]

not that guy

[sand egret]

ah

[lusty grotto]

the dude with the caster princess

[sand egret]

dammit wowhead, why you listing everyone with Bladestorm

ohh no that IS the mob

it's just the wrong SS

ya derps

[oblique garnet]

Why would i open up the article

When i can see it from the SS

8))

[sand egret]

well YOU don't have to

[oblique garnet]

Anyone who has done KR

[sick sentinel]

okay thats good to know then anyways, i'll check out that block/reflect guide u sent tonight too, should be super handy

[oblique garnet]

Knows the king with the shadow bolt caster

[sand egret]

clearly not

😃

yeah that guide is great Claw

lotta not-so-obvious blockables out there

[oblique garnet]

Has sense updated it

Because last time thorned barrage was listed as reflectable spell

[sand egret]

it's listed as blockable/reflectable

[oblique garnet]

Its not reflectable

Reflect wont do anything

[sick sentinel]

since i'm looking at ML, if you guys run it for the love of god interrupt blowtorch on the feckless assistant after azerok