protection

[hallow phoenix]

Is it worth intercept spamming my cotank then?

[warm plinth]

Yeah absorbs don't get reduced unless you actually take damage; blocking prevents a portion of damage from happening

I don't know tbh. I'm not familiar with the fight. If there's any sort of debuff or tank buster he's gonna be taking, then I'd say no. But there may be other reasons not to do it that I'm not aware of.

[hallow phoenix]

There's a heavy hitter but diamond takes care of I

It

[lusty grotto]

in case you didnt know, paladins block

its called SotR

[warm plinth]

Paladins don't block with Shield of the Righteous

They can block passively but SotR doesn't affect it at all

SotR just does damage and increases armor

[lusty grotto]

screw you i played my protadin the same way i played my warrior

[warm plinth]

XD

[lusty grotto]

therefore sotr blocks

[warm plinth]

I ain't judging

[lusty grotto]

i honestly thought it was the same thing as SB lmao

[hallow phoenix]

Not 100% block on pally though

[lusty grotto]

oh well whatever

[warm plinth]

XD

[lusty grotto]

still got that mage tower and then retired the protadin spec forever 😃

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk what their block chance is...last number I knew for that was 30%, which would make it 45% if they spec Holy Shield

[hallow phoenix]

Seems about right. But I thought they had a thing to boost it to 100 for a bit

[warm plinth]

Not that I'm aware. But I'm not a paladin expert by any means.

Oh, their mastery increases block chance it looks like

[lament mantle]

425 Jes, 400 Prism, and 400 Knot. I'd assume the Jes Howler and the prism?

For M+ mainly.

[warm plinth]

Jes and knot or Jes and prism if you need it

[hallow phoenix]

I hate Jes in m+

2m is such a long time and avatar usually up again in 50 sec

[warm plinth]

I hate Jes everywhere. But no way a 400 knot competes with a 425 Jes

[hallow phoenix]

So it desynca easily

[lament mantle]

Doesn't it buff my group as well with like 2-4% Vers across the board?

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's something like that. I think it's 90 for 1% DR so it's probably close to that.

[hallow phoenix]

Like 200 vers for 6 seconds. Only worth if you coordinate CDs with dps. That being said it's still a butt load of vers for you personally

[warm plinth]

It's for 12 seconds also, fyi

I would honestly just use it with Avatar. You'll have Avatar at around the 2 min 15 second mark

Not gonna hurt to save it for 15 seconds if you can use it with Ava

[lament mantle]

16% vers if it's only on me. Lol.

Jesus.

[hallow phoenix]

It's stronk

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's massive if it only hits you. It's like...30%? less if you split it with 4 people

So still pretty substantial

[hallow phoenix]

I really want one on my DK

[warm plinth]

And of course your allies get the boost too

[lament mantle]

I'll probably run The Jes and the prism then. Still not completely confident in my tanking, and that prism is awesome 😄

Appreciate the help guys.

[warm plinth]

👍

[hallow phoenix]

Knot is good survival in m+

Parry is great

[lament mantle]

Oh, yeah. Didn't even think about the Parry from Crit.

I'll just have to run a few and see what feels better :/

A few M+*

[lusty grotto]

uhh...

[warm plinth]

Prism will be far far better than knot defensively. Knot is used for its offensive gain, not its defensive.

[lusty grotto]

since when can you toggle WM outside of Org

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah but you get both offense and defense

[warm plinth]

You can turn it off in any rested area

[hallow phoenix]

Compared to just defense

[warm plinth]

You still have to be in Org to turn it on

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck

[umbral forge]

Since 8.1

[warm plinth]

That was changed in 8.1

[lusty grotto]

shit i missed that change then

[hallow phoenix]

Double on use trinkets is one of my favorite things in m+

[warm plinth]

If you have the right ones, it's nice

I'm currently using Knot and Lion's Strength, which is ass

[spice ferry]

Double on use is 🤢

[lusty grotto]

how many badges do you get from the first TW quest? i forget

[spice ferry]

500

[warm plinth]

Double on use is fine if you have two 90 second trinkets

[lusty grotto]

and iirc the rewards for the weekly are 370 right?

[warm plinth]

385

[lusty grotto]

ok so still shit

[warm plinth]

Mmhm

[spice ferry]

The first quest is 500?

I just did it

[warm plinth]

I think he meant the ilevel of the item

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean the ilvl of the weekly rewards

[spice ferry]

Lol rip all good

[warm plinth]

I don't even do the TW weekly unless I have a fresh 120

It's not worth it

[lusty grotto]

yeah same

i just do the one for the badges

[warm plinth]

Yep, same. Or well, I would if I didn't already have like 15k badges strewn about

[lusty grotto]

well you can buy the new WoD mounts when they come out 😃

[warm plinth]

I think I'm gonna buy WoD reps to get flying

[lusty grotto]

oh rip you dont have that

[warm plinth]

Might grab the water strider for the discounted mount equipment too

[lusty grotto]

yikes ghash

[warm plinth]

Nah I only played in WoD long enough to level to 100; flying wasn't even a thing at that point.

Even if I had, I played on EU in WoD so I would still not have it.

[lusty grotto]

im sad you cant put the waterwalk thing on the herb robot

😢

[warm plinth]

Eh, you can fly with sky golem though

Don't need waterwalking

[lusty grotto]

thats true

completely forgot that

next expansion though 😦

[warm plinth]

We don't talk about that

[lusty grotto]

and whatever argus 2.0 will be

"hey we know we just put flying back for you to enjoy on this latest expansion, but here's a zone you will never get to fly in"

good thing the 2 new zones will have flying at least

[inland mesa]

less than 50k wipe on mythic jaina

😢

[hallow phoenix]

You'll get it!

[inland mesa]

is there any way to see health closer than just 7.72 mil vs 7.67 mil lol, can watch it die on twitch 😄

[warm plinth]

Uh, if you have ElvUI I think you can change it to display all the numbers

But it might be one of their weird little codes

[fringe basalt]

anyone know if spell reflects dmg reduction works on ire of the deep from stormwall?

[lusty grotto]

if its magical damage it works

hmm

this is so weird

are timewalking mounts character bound only?

as in not account bound?

[umbral forge]

Account bound

[lusty grotto]

for some reason my rogue and my warrior can use them but not my paladin?

oh shit

lmao

im retarded

[warm plinth]

o_O

[lusty grotto]

yup i was next to the tw vendor because i had forgotten to buy the dragon

and right at that spot you cannot mount...

[warm plinth]

lul

I guess I could buy some mounts 🤔 What's the pandaland TW mount?

[lusty grotto]

green dragon

[warm plinth]

Like one of the long snakey dragons?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[warm plinth]

Hmmm

[lusty grotto]

yu'lei, daughter of jade

[warm plinth]

OoOoOoh

[lusty grotto]

oh good lord 😦

[mortal brook]

draenor mounts soon

[warm plinth]

No , worthless

[lusty grotto]

this is a 120 warrior too

[mortal brook]

met a bdk in a pug on N op that was 3/1/1/3/2/1/1. had sighoning on his weapon and no blood boil casts the wholle fight

[warm plinth]

...

[mortal brook]

didnt grab gem either

special types

[warm plinth]

So he runs a talent that increases blood plague by 15% but then doesn't ever actually trigger blood plague

Seems legit

[mortal brook]

oh no, PLENTY of death's caress casts

[warm plinth]

NO

[mortal brook]

yes

[warm plinth]

Oh god lol

[hallow phoenix]

Thoughts on stacking reckless flurry with devastator and gale-force striking?

[sick sentinel]

i do it

as arms

[undone sun]

first two, sure

quick nav is still better

[hallow phoenix]

Reckless flurry is good for arms too?

Oh boy

Playing with devastator feels weird even though I used it all of legion

I guess we spammed shield slam more then

[lusty grotto]

????

[mortal brook]

not having to press feelsbad filler is the best part of it

[lusty grotto]

ALL of legion???

and you mean devastate

[hallow phoenix]

The talent. I entered legion kinda late so don't know what early talents were

[lusty grotto]

ok ok

[hallow phoenix]

Nimchip don't be angry at me I'm sry

[mortal brook]

speaking of feelsbad filler, how about that soul cleave buff? 😄

[undone sun]

haHAA

[mortal brook]

and the blue post on it 'we want you to feel slightly less devastated when it comes to clicking core abilities'

[warm plinth]

The blue post just made me confused.

[sick sentinel]

do u guys wish to see lord goobis power

[warm plinth]

Like they were trying to explain their way into making Soul Cleave matter

[umbral forge]

No

[sick sentinel]

y no

[lusty grotto]

can you weebos stop coming into skyhold

we have enough jettoms here

[sick sentinel]

i am not weeb

[umbral forge]

How to make Soul Cleave matter: add a clause to the Genki-dama to not use soul fragments

[sick sentinel]

i am lord goobi

[lusty grotto]

right

[sick sentinel]

king of warier

[warm plinth]

This is like that paladin that came here that said he was in the right place because he's a warrior of light

[hallow phoenix]

What is soul cleave

Wat

[umbral forge]

Whats up

[mortal brook]

arent ronin titleless by definition tho

[umbral forge]

Goobi

[sick sentinel]

i show u guys my power

then u will respect me as ur king

[lusty grotto]

nah, we're good

we also have 0 cash

[warm plinth]

Hard pass

[hallow phoenix]

Goobi pls

[sick sentinel]

2 late

[lusty grotto]

you might wanna try your stuff in Archerus

[sick sentinel]

i hit target dummy for 348k

now u respect me as ur king

[warm plinth]

Not even a prot warrior

[sick sentinel]

i was 2 strong for shield

i broke it in half

do u think a shield could survive a 348k

i dont think so

[hallow phoenix]

not having indestructible secondary in 2019

[mortal brook]

we have indestructible shields tbh

[warm plinth]

I mean yeah, because we'd block 80% of it

[sick sentinel]

i would go mastery build

[mortal brook]

stack armor pen, ez game

[lusty grotto]

🤦

[warm plinth]

ArPen you are not missed

Please stay dead

[hallow phoenix]

Armor pen 🥰🤗

[mortal brook]

i miss multistrike D:

[hallow phoenix]

Pls come back

[umbral forge]

Penetration 😊

[warm plinth]

I didn't really play in WoD long enough to even know what multistrike was

[hallow phoenix]

100% penetration yes pls

Bring back double healer arms warrior

[lusty grotto]

bring back arms

[mortal brook]

multistrike was just flavor crit that duplicated your cast. but there were super neat things like Ursa Major for bears that worked off it

[orchid token]

@sand egret fun fact, the augur actually isn't channeling the shit on the ground

they're channeling a buff on to the juggernaut which spawns the fire circles every time he melees

doesn't make much difference since the ability functions more or less the same regardless but there are some edge cases where it's useful

if you're not being meleed it won't spawn anything

if the juggernaut is stunned or casting merciless assault it won't spawn anything

[lusty grotto]

oh shit for once horde controls the tw vendor

[sick sentinel]

When haven't we controlled the tw vendor

[lusty grotto]

every single tw week

[sick sentinel]

Idk what dead realm ur in cause I've never seen ally hold the tw

[lusty grotto]

what is this 'realm' you speak of

is this #vanilla-discussion ?

[shadow jetty]

hi guys

[warm plinth]

Why would you not turn war mode off when going to Timeless Isle 😬

You deserve to get destroyed if you don't

[shadow jetty]

someone here know if a 410 mchimba is bettter or a 400 prism

[west galleon]

oof when i forget to turn off wm

[warm plinth]

RIP

[west galleon]

that shit is impossible

[lusty grotto]

lmao you can spell steal diamond

[warm plinth]

@shadow jetty Prism unless you have a very specific reason for needing bandage shield every 2 minutes.

[lusty grotto]

goes to show how long i havent played poor magechip

[sick sentinel]

@shadow jetty the prism is better

[warm plinth]

Which is basically never

[sick sentinel]

God, i love this fucking addon

[west galleon]

woah that's cool looking

[lusty grotto]

it does look sexy

[warm plinth]

Wtf is that?

[undone sun]

bandages are pretty bad

[west galleon]

u look like a heroes of the storm character

[warm plinth]

🐔 tell us your secrets

[sick sentinel]

Its called Narcissus

[warm plinth]

I'm getting that shit

[west galleon]

checks out lmfao

[orchid token]

@shadow jetty both are pretty crap, what are your other options

[sick sentinel]

I would take credit but it was @sand egret who brought it up

[west galleon]

how does it work

do you like /narcissus

[sick sentinel]

An addon

[west galleon]

boi im aware

after getting the addon

[mortal brook]

replaces character page

[west galleon]

o

[sick sentinel]

^

[west galleon]

cool

[sick sentinel]

It doesnt need a command

Well i set it up to pop up by press C twice

[undone sun]

says in the description 🤦

[shadow jetty]

@orchid token thats basically it, my other trinket is a 395 rezan

[west galleon]

ty for the addon :^)

[warm plinth]

His name isn't boi; it's 🐔

[west galleon]

like i read the desc?

[shadow jetty]

oh wait no

[west galleon]

i don't know how to use half my addons

[shadow jetty]

i have a 400 gigavolt

[warm plinth]

Use Rezan' and that

Rezan's*

[orchid token]

yeah

[shadow jetty]

rezan and gigavolt?

[orchid token]

yes

this is why i always ask for the full picture when people ask for trinket advice because you might have assumed something is bad and not included it in the choices

as happened here

[shadow jetty]

do i use the gigavolt on cd?

[orchid token]

if the bandages were a 1/10 trinket then the prism is 1.5/10

marginally better but still an overall shit trinket

[west galleon]

narcissus doesn't even show up in my installed addons im angry ;-;

[orchid token]

You can either use it on CD or macro it to avatar

it's a wash either way

[west galleon]

wait it IS a command

it's /narci

[orchid token]

macroing it to avatar means you end up using it slightly less often than on CD but you get more out of each use because it's buffed by avatar

using it on CD gets more total uses but most of the uses won't be with any CD active so each use is worth less

ends up being more or less a wash between the two

[hallow phoenix]

Macro for ease of use imo

[west galleon]

damnnn this shit is cool af

would recommend

[hallow phoenix]

Then you can't look at your character sheet while in combat...

[west galleon]

it doesn't replace

you have to type /narci

[hallow phoenix]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

doesnt show enchants or gems, hard pass

[west galleon]

yes it does

lol

[lusty grotto]

oh

[undone sun]

shows gems

[orchid token]

@hallow phoenix yep, I macro my trinkets all the time. It's not quite as optimal, but it's better to macro trinkets than to forget to use them in a moment of chaos

[west galleon]

shows enchants too

just really badly

very tiny writing on the right most border

of the rings

o if you hover over the tiny writing it tells you what enchants u got

[warm plinth]

From a DPS perspective, RAGE (and pretty much all other on-use trinkets except for Grong's) perform far better if used with Avatar. If you're playing properly, you should have Avatar every 45-50 seconds, which means at most you're holding it for 5 seconds. Which also means you shouldn't really lose more than maybe 1 use of it over the course of a dungeon, if that.

[orchid token]

worth keeping an eye on the trinket CD just in case you get an avatar 1 or 2 secs quicker and barely miss activating it

had that happen a couple of times

[warm plinth]

I hate when that shit happens

[shadow jetty]

ty

[hallow phoenix]

Love my 415 grongs

With demo shout up

[orchid token]

I don't think ill ever give up the RAGE/vial combo

[hallow phoenix]

🤗

[orchid token]

double on use just feels so much better than anything else

[hallow phoenix]

Best feeling is to use the magic simian sphere toy and use grongs during Grongs tantrum

[west galleon]

what's RAGE

[hallow phoenix]

@orchid token I use one on use and rezans in raids though

[mortal brook]

mekka trinket

[orchid token]

the gigavolt engine

[west galleon]

OMG that spells rage

[hallow phoenix]

Lol

[west galleon]

🤔

[undone sun]

hmmmmmm

[orchid token]

i just stick with double on use in everything

[hallow phoenix]

Confirmed warrior trinket

[west galleon]

gonna go farm mekka

[orchid token]

none of the current content bosses hit hard enough to punish double on use and correct use of shield block alone will keep you alive in every single boss so max dps all the way

[hallow phoenix]

Does life cocoon allow healing through void stone in CoS?

Heard it does

[orchid token]

the absorb will work

all absorbs work

[hallow phoenix]

But doesn't somehow negate the healing debuff?

[orchid token]

i cant think why it would, unless the -100% debuff is applied first and then the life cocoon buff applies additively to reduce it to 50% or whatever

but i would assume that the -100% is applied to all healing at the point of receiving it

[hallow phoenix]

That'd be neat...

I'll have to convince our monk to try it next week to confirm

[sick sentinel]

I know .io isnt king when it comes to telling if a group/player is good, but fucking christ

[umbral forge]

Whar

[sick sentinel]

Had a prot warrior just now who died to the 2-pack in KR +15

when u start the "Gaunlet"

[umbral forge]

That's fair.

[mortal brook]

the archer one?

[hallow phoenix]

That mini boss hurts tho if you forget to press shield block

[mortal brook]

or the shadow bolt one

[sick sentinel]

No not the mini bosses

The one before u do the first bosses

[umbral forge]

Before 1st boss?

[mortal brook]

oh

[sick sentinel]

the room where the first boss is

[umbral forge]

Yeah makes sense

[hallow phoenix]

The one with two warriors?

[umbral forge]

No

[sick sentinel]

no, the caster/melee

[mortal brook]

the dot can hurt if you stand in that tornado i guess

[sick sentinel]

Im not talking about the melee one

[mortal brook]

oh, big guy and caster

[hallow phoenix]

I hate big guy and caster to be fair

[mortal brook]

big guy has a dispellable enrage 😄

[umbral forge]

It's Fort/Teeming. It can catch people unaware to put it mildly.

[sick sentinel]

Im a feral druid with a resto druid

We both can sooth so thats out of the picture

[mortal brook]

a feral druid 😮

[sick sentinel]

Uncommon to say the least

but I climbed to my 1.6k .io the same way I did with prot in 8.0

With spite

[mortal brook]

nice work

[sick sentinel]

ty, just need this a KR +15

then i will finally get my CE M+

[mortal brook]

nice

[sick sentinel]

Once I do that, I can go for my aotc for my prot

whos mainly been used for mount farming/argus weapon farming

Lucky for me +10's are dumb easy

[fossil fractal]

Hey, does anyone happen to have a weakaura to track the durability of my shield? it goes down so much faster than my overall gear

[orchid token]

IDK

[sick sentinel]

The durability?

[orchid token]

poyo its entirelyp ossibble for a tank to die to no fault of his own

[sick sentinel]

Not shiled block or Ignore pain?

[orchid token]

even on a +15

[fossil fractal]

Yes the durability

[orchid token]

on fortified if that caster just chain spams deathly chill he's dead

you have to kick at least some of them

[fossil fractal]

happened twice already that it turned red mid-pull

[sick sentinel]

Ur right, it is bad if the caster gets free kicks when the prot warrior doesnt use SR or Kick and im the only one kicking and maybe the mage

[orchid token]

warrior bears some of the responsibility for sure if he wasnt using his own kick

[sick sentinel]

But the group was already a mess as it was even without the tank in the picture, nobody but me killed bombs

[orchid token]

@fossil fractal shield loses durability every time you block so for warriors it's very normal to need to repair shield 2 or 3 times as often as the rest of your gear

[fossil fractal]

I know that

I just want to know if someone has a weakaura to track that

[sick sentinel]

I doubt we have a WA for that

[fossil fractal]

say flash up a text when shield is <40%

[sick sentinel]

U can use an addon like Dejavusheet and set it up whenever u open ur character sheet to show durability of all ur gear

[fossil fractal]

so do you guys open up your character sheet after every pull?

[sick sentinel]

The add-onn that I mention shows ur durability right there

The default ui does not

[fossil fractal]

well I see my durability when I open my character shet

sheet

[sick sentinel]

Ud have to hover over the item

[fossil fractal]

but it would be way easier to just have a WA pop up once shield gets low

[lusty grotto]

you jinxed me

i hate you

[sick sentinel]

Sadly there is no WA we have

I said they dont controll it

Not that they wouldnt be there

[lusty grotto]

listen

you jinxed me

[sick sentinel]

lol

[orchid token]

isnt the little yellow man icon for durability part of default UI

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but thats like about 30%

or close to it

[orchid token]

mine appears on my minimap with elvui

the shield on the right

but im sure its a default ui thing

@fossil fractal https://wago.io/search/durability

pick your poison

[warm plinth]

Yeah it’s a default thing. It’s usually below the map

Man, just found out about Peter Mayhew

[undone sun]

😭

[open bluff]

Death fucked up. You always let the Wookie win.

[warm plinth]

😭

[astral crystal]

My god bois jaina down finally

What a fucking prog session

[umbral forge]

How many weeks?

[astral crystal]

20 days, close to 600 pulls

We had some hardcore regression nights

[umbral forge]

Jesus

[astral crystal]

It’s finally ogre 😌

[lusty grotto]

gz atticusw!

[jade socket]

Everyone congratulate @fierce juniper for killing jaina with a ping!

[umbral forge]

@fierce juniper grats man

[warm plinth]

@fierce juniper Congrats sweetie pie

And also congrats @astral crystal

[fierce juniper]

[warm plinth]

WOW. We congratulate you and you throw global emojis in our face 😏

[astral crystal]

Did we get it the same night, marok? Good feels all around

[undone sun]

🦄

[ionic fern]

Gratz

[undone sun]

Rip guild though

[umbral forge]

What

[open bluff]

so uhh, this bad boi or 400 socketed grong's for ST? raidbots seems to value grong's, but that mastery with triple bom though...

[rough egret]

This might be better than grongs

[ionic fern]

Triple BoM is not your go-to for ST .

[warm plinth]

You're my go-to Mwahi

❤

[ionic fern]

❤

So sweet.

[rough egret]

Also its nice to have it rdy for every avatar

[ionic fern]

I'd use Unng for AoE tbh and Grong for ST.

[rough egret]

Its Like another BoM

[ionic fern]

Yes, it might as well be but if you use Grong's effeciently (which is harder to do than using Unng decently) then Grong's will pull ahead in ST.

Oh i remember the good ol' days when we were in Peak @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

Good times, good times

I still have the shirt at least

[neon tangle]

@open bluff I’d sim it, but I’d bet on grongs

Mastery isn’t that good offensively and the CD doesn’t line up great with avatar anyways

[hallow phoenix]

What's the best way to use grongs? When SS and maybe TC are on CD?

Outside of avatar ofc

[ionic fern]

Pretty much correct.
You want to get all your things on CD before actually using it.

And never use it inside Avatar.

[hallow phoenix]

Also does anyone have a cancelaura macro for grongs? I tried /cancelaura Primal Rage but that didn't work

[ionic fern]

Diddn't? 🤔

It should be correct.

Sure there wasn't a typo?

[hallow phoenix]

Pretty sure

I'll check again when I'm home

Just finished a 13 hour shift so maybe tomorrow actually 😴

[silk mortar]

Do have one that works but also at work so can't share 😛

But there is most likely a typo in yours anyways

[hallow phoenix]

My old legion trinkets feel so underpowered in timewalking. Riftworld codex used to make me feel like a god in dungeons

Blizzard pls

[umbral forge]

So apparently they're changing the sonic design

that's a shame

[undone sun]

why is it a shame

[umbral forge]

I wanted to watch horrible Sonic design in more situations to get good laughs when Robotnik isn't on the scene.

[mortal brook]

what if you enjoy the movie regardless

[umbral forge]

I probably will. It looks dope

That is completely based on Robotnik btw

[sick sentinel]

Just got this trinket from tortolla, any good?

[mortal brook]

strong uptime on its lower vers, its pretty average

[warm plinth]

So I got reluctantly pulled into an Underrot +9. First dungeon I've tanked this entire expansion and it was so bad

[mortal brook]

rough week, lot of stuff to look after, esp in teeming UR

[warm plinth]

Yeah I know that I for sure did not play up to my standards.

[mortal brook]

did you stomp enough?

[ionic fern]

👏 *

[warm plinth]

No, no i didn't. There was a lot of interrupts not happening, and a lot of explosives not dying, and I'm not super familiar with Underrot in the first place. I spent most of my time trying to cover for the DPS tbh

[ionic fern]

I did a SOTS 10 this week on my alt..the tank pulled everything at the start so like 3 healers + 5 casters and then started crying cause we couldn't interrupt everything with a triple ranged group.

👌

[warm plinth]

I had one guy with me who was interrupting like he should have been. Then we had a warlock and a balance druid (which was not a great comp now that I've experienced underrot as a tank). Balance druid was using Solar Beam on single mobs but not using it on packs. It was a wreck.

[umbral forge]

Hah

[mortal brook]

triple ranged in sots D:

[warm plinth]

Combine that with people face pulling, and it was a very not fun time.

52 deaths in a +9, I don't even wanna know how far over the timer we were

[ionic fern]

😂

[umbral forge]

Good job

[warm plinth]

Thanks man

I needed that 😂

[mortal brook]

you completed tho

[umbral forge]

Try to beat my record

[warm plinth]

I just don't like dungeons going any worse than they need to. Not timing a +9 is not something that is okay with me. And every time I said something about it (I was on voice comms with 2 guildies who were in the run; the healer and the one melee), they were trying to reassure me and shit which was just frustrating me XD

[ionic fern]

Jeh, this week a multitude of dungeons are really horrible to pug.

Especially after last week..people's scores are higher than their skill and then you end up wondering why the 2k rogue is not interrupting anything.

[warm plinth]

Yeah not a great dungeon for my tanking debut tbh lol

Well, this expansion tanking debut that is

[ionic fern]

Atleast it's done.

😄

[warm plinth]

Yep

[mortal brook]

he protect

[warm plinth]

Now if only this weird random framerate issue that's been going on for a week now would go away

Been playing with settings at 10 all expansion with consistent 80+ frames, now on 7 I'm dropping frames like a motherfucker

First pull of the dungeon I just locked up for a good 10 seconds; that's how I knew that dungeon wasn't going to be great 😂

[ionic fern]

That's the new affix in s3.

[warm plinth]

Claps too stronk

[ionic fern]

Frame freezes.

Wouldn't it be great if the new affix was..."Every 5m you take control of another persons character in your group for 10s".

Imagine being a tank and then suddenly you're healing.

😂

[umbral forge]

Mwahi

No

[ionic fern]

Yes

That actually sounds fun.

😂

[mortal brook]

'why is nothing bound' 'cuz i use a custom ui!

[ionic fern]

[umbral forge]

"I just type /cast (spell)"

"..what r.io were you again?"

"7"

[spice ferry]

@warm plinth tried playing without certain addons? I had frame issues a while ago, fully redid my ui after a fresh install and was all g

Think something I didn’t reinstall was causing it

[warm plinth]

Well I just tried updating my video drivers. If that doesn't fix it, addons are next.

[hallow phoenix]

Are you playing in WINE?

[warm plinth]

Nah. I'm on Windows 10

[orchid token]

warrior is also a really rough tank to play when group are going bad since you lack a real way to keep yourself alive or cover for the group

paladin tanks are super good for that since up to a point you can do everything

if group isnt interrupting properly you can kick for them

if healer cant heal you can heal for them

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm sure it was a combination of me just being super rusty and inexperienced this xpac and some failings on the part of the DPS

[orchid token]

does enough damage to keep the dungeon moving along at a reasonable pace

if i had to pick a tank to play in an uncoordinated pug i'd go paladin every time

[hallow phoenix]

I plan on levelling a paladin this weekend

Is the pally discord any good

[orchid token]

feels about the same

[spice ferry]

Got mine to 120 this week with tw, so cruisy

[undone sun]

within acceptable levels

[ionic fern]

^ most people are decent there.

Just post the questions in protection-questions channel and you'll get adequate answers most of the time.

[hallow phoenix]

I think bubble aoe taunt is the most exciting thing I'm looking forward to

[ionic fern]

Or you know..being able to solo interrupt pretty much everything. 😂

[hallow phoenix]

Cause I'll still be able to do mongo pulls without falling over in 3 seconds

[warm plinth]

Nope, you'll fall over in 8 instead 😉

[orchid token]

bubble aoe taunt is very good but also overrated

[hallow phoenix]

Hopefully enough time for DPS lmao

Why is it overrated, seems about as strong as I would think it is. Immortality is immortality no?

[orchid token]

because realistically you get 5-6 uses of it in an entire dungeon and that's if you actually can pull big around it

it's also not enough time to kill anything so you still need an answer for when its down

[sick sentinel]

Kiting lmao

Captain America tanking

[orchid token]

so realistically what it ends up being is just something to fill in 8 seconds of SOTR downtime

which is very valuable

but I'd rather have SB's uptime

there are two really enjoyable things about prot paladin relative to prot warrior that I like a lot

1. being able to kick a fuckload of stuff
2. having a button to press reactively to keep yourself alive (HOTP/LOTP) rather than all of your buttons being proactive

[hallow phoenix]

Biggest thing I like about it is the healer can go big on dps, just like when I'm in avatar with shield wall

[orchid token]

realistically it's not going to work out that way very often

eight seconds isn't a very long time

the main problem with it

is that you give up HOTP

and it's only useful for 8 seconds out of 5 minutes

and HOTP is a borderline broken ability

[hallow phoenix]

Hmmm

[orchid token]

for example, you can trivialize jagged nettles as a paladin tank

alone

on the waycrest triad

soon as someone takes the hit you HOTP them and they'll be at 80% health even if it does not crit

if it does crit they're topped

[hallow phoenix]

That's a bit ridiculous

I think I'm gonna be overwhelmed with utility lol

[orchid token]

it's a 12 second CD LOH when used on other people

[ionic fern]

Definetly. ANd it'll take some time to get used to it.
Sac/BoP/SW/LoA/HOTP/Freedom

[orchid token]

i guess the third thing i like about paladin 3) is the utility you have

[ionic fern]

Allll the things you can cast on others.

[orchid token]

you can freedom rat traps

in freehold

thats my favourite use of it

it both removes it and also prevents new ones while its up

so you can freedom and then run around soaking all of them

HOTP also very good on many other bosses, Eudora + Skycaptain in freehold for example

[warm plinth]

I wish they'd take HotP back off the GCD though

[orchid token]

both for the same reason, if someone isn't topped for the powder shot you can hit them with it

tol dagor last boss

same reason

[hallow phoenix]

Intercept powder shot is still my favorite thing in FH

[orchid token]

having your own self contained slow is also very good

though not as easy to use as it looks

without conga-lining the mobs

[sick sentinel]

🤣

[hallow phoenix]

Talking consecration?

[orchid token]

yes

the main issue being its not as big as it looks so you end up really needing to master circle kiting

to keep mobs in it

every time you recast consecrate the mobs lose the snare from the old one instantly but it takes a server tick to apply the slow from the new one

[hallow phoenix]

Isn't it about the same size as tar trap

[orchid token]

so they'll be halfway into the new one before it updates and adds the slow

roughly

dont get me wrong its super good and every paladin loves it since you're not reliant on anyone

but paladins also need to kite far more often so its not all gravy

you'll love having the consecrate slow but most of the time while a paladin is loving their slow the warrior is just in there with demo shout and shield block up taking no damage

you'll definitely feel the loss in survivability

[hallow phoenix]

My group is always yelling at me to kite but they never help snare

[distant crystal]

why are all the names brown in this paladin discord 🤔

[hallow phoenix]

TC being only 20% is not a well known fact I feel

[orchid token]

idk if its that so much as people really dont know what goes into tank kiting

they see tanks running from mobs and mobs going slowly and dont understand how or why

most people are surprised to learn mobs move faster than players by default

TC just brings them down to only slightly faster

[old zephyr]

good thing I play fury, so I have "Utility" with my snare 😃

[warm plinth]

Finally replaced my 2nd on-use (370 Lion's Strength) with a 395 tuskarr charm. I'll take it.

[tepid raptor]

Guys, how do you replace items, do you sim or just look at stat prio?

[warm plinth]

Highest ilevel>stat priority. If it's a trinket, ask here or sim (for non-defensive trinkets)

[tepid raptor]

So you go after highest ilvl?

😮

Feels abit bad

[silk mortar]

Prot stats are pretty close together which means that more stats are better

Most of the time

[tepid raptor]

I see

[warm plinth]

Why would using the highest ilevel feel bad? I feel the complete opposite; if i have to sacrifice ilevel for a stat, it sucks

[mental scarab]

When you get a 420 spore trinket 🤥

[inner moth]

servant splitter or adulation enforcer 410ilvl? 😮

[ionic fern]

Enforcer.

[warm plinth]

Whenever the choice is between servant splitter and a different same ilevel weapon, always choose the not servant splitter one :p

[tepid raptor]

So do you reach for a certain % on ur haste before starting to gem and enchant other things than haste?

[ionic fern]

No.

There are no soft-cap's to reach.

[drowsy salmon]

The IL could not work for rings i guess, a ring with a socket can value as 5+ IL?

[strong forum]

Socket on Ring has 15ilvl value

[drowsy salmon]

Oh nice to know

[strong forum]

And I will never use a non haste ring unless its literally 30ilvl upgrade

[drowsy salmon]

And azerite traits?

[tepid raptor]

Oh really? 15 ilvl value, didnt know

[strong forum]

If you disregard the stamina gain it can even be better than 20ilvl cuz secondaries scale incredibly bad with ilvl

Azerite traits you want 1x DC, preferably atleast 1x BoM, then you can go with whatever you feel like

There's no clear winner

[old zephyr]

and with 8.2 new gems sockets are gonna be even crazyer

[drowsy salmon]

So 1dc 1bom and then IL rule?

[strong forum]

There's no perfect setup

If you don't have 415s yes

Well only the DC part

[old zephyr]

for azerite it's still Ilvl First

aside from your First DC

[strong forum]

1x DC is must, then its ilvl

[drowsy salmon]

Ok

[strong forum]

Unless it's a 385 DC, then go for ilvl regardless

You can drop DC if it's an 30+ ilvl upgrade, for 15 you don't drop it

[tepid raptor]

What about a ring without haste but with a socket

[hybrid zealot]

hey guys, can someone explain to me what deflect means? tank didnt cast a single spellreflect during the fight

[drowsy salmon]

Before you were talking about other tank classes, i am rolling from dps to tanks. What can be a good choice to Level up in addition to war? To be complementary with war?

[hybrid zealot]

where did it come from tho?

[tepid raptor]

Deflect is probs his name

[hybrid zealot]

no his name is Greecon...

[strong forum]

@drowsy salmon do you mean what other tank you could play?

[old zephyr]

it's a parry afaik*

[drowsy salmon]

Yes @strong forum

[old zephyr]

but since it's not a melee attack it doesn't say "parry"

[strong forum]

Paladin is giga fun and works roughly same with the blocking

[drowsy salmon]

I like dk but i am afrai of his mobility

[strong forum]

Vdh is extremely mobile and fun cuz it's literally a dps that tanks but somewhat weak as of right now

Bdk is ♿

Guardian is sleeper

And Monks I personally just hate

So do whatever you think is fun

[silk mortar]

@hybrid zealot Deflect is when you reflect but the ability can't be applied

To the boss or whatever

[ionic fern]

Jep, @old zephyr is correct regarding deflect.

[drowsy salmon]

I guess BDK is fun but the mobility will force you to crush the monitor on the wall

[hybrid zealot]

@silk mortar sure but he didnt use spellreflect and shards on jaina are physical

[silk mortar]

Then i suppose it is a parry as the ones above mentioned

[hybrid zealot]

great thanks for your help @old zephyr and @ionic fern

[silk mortar]

Didnt look

[old zephyr]

@hybrid zealot deflect is a parry of something that's not a melee attack

oops too slow

[strong forum]

@drowsy salmon if you like a tank that is not gcd locked and literally has downtime and no actual dmg sure go with bdk :^l

[lime mantle]

@orchid token most players still think “if I run away from the mob it won’t hit me!!” Is a thing. It isn’t. It hits you still.
Stop fucking running away, I need to be in melee if mobs to take aggro. Moving mobs away means I have to turn my back to the group and run away to get you, awkwardly move sideways, etc... stop running away please.
I pinged you to agree with you because this triggers me to no end.

[jagged narwhal]

BDK: Feel immortal, be bored as fuck while doing it

[lime mantle]

BDK has nothing fun about it other than being undying

[jagged narwhal]

Yeah

That's why I'm working overtime trying to get my Prot warrior rotation on point, and my Ilvl up to catch up to my BDK so I can swap mains

[lime mantle]

VDH is nearly perfect. Until@you remember havoc has better personals than you do. Then pic related.

[jagged narwhal]

Well they're getting buffed in 8.2

[lime mantle]

Buffed=!issues fixed

[jagged narwhal]

Potato potatoo in Blizzard's eyes

[lime mantle]

Literally just give them blur and make SPB and gluttony baseline

[jagged narwhal]

Honestly though I tried playing a Demon Hunter and I couldn't even get it to 120 I just found it boring

[lime mantle]

It’s simple but fun

Tbh classes don’t need 60 buttons, albeit that is maybe my jadded view.

[jagged narwhal]

I have Warrior, DK, Pala and Druid tanks at Max Level. I never touch my Druid, and Paladin feels awful to play since the Self Heal ability is on the GCD

[drowsy salmon]

Prot war will be fixed or nerfed to the ground in next patch?

I Heard about thunder clap nerf

[ionic fern]

Check the pins.

[jagged narwhal]

They'll be balanced. The Nerf is incredibly minor

[ionic fern]

It's not that big of a deal.

[jagged narwhal]

Basically you won't notice a different when pulling like a normal human being.

[lucid bough]

FOR NOW

ups

[jagged narwhal]

MDI players will notice a significant drop

[lucid bough]

doenst mean we dont get more nerfs

[jagged narwhal]

Sure

But that's why I keep 4 tanks at max level and semi closely geared

[drowsy salmon]

I have a 111 monk, never played at all but only leveled, maybe i will focus on it next weeks

[jagged narwhal]

I might level a monk soon just to have a Leather based tank I might actually enjoy playing. (not a fan of the Bear and DH)

[drowsy salmon]

It seems a good tank with a great mobility and utility

[orchid token]

until you realise you don't do any damage and even holding threat is sketchy

[jagged narwhal]

Yeah, but I still don't think it will surpass my love of Warrior

Something about the Warrior's mobility just FEELS good

Probably because of how controlled it is vs that of Monk and DH. With Leap and Intervene both going to fixed targets

Oh btw, does anyone know if there's a good Addon or Weak-Aura for notifying me when I'm being targeted by something I can reflect?

[strong forum]

Leap isn't fixed target 🤔

[jagged narwhal]

It's Fixed target in that you know EXACTLY where it will go

[orchid token]

if anything monk and DH are far more controlled

[strong forum]

Well so is vdh

[orchid token]

since you don't need to rely on targets

[jagged narwhal]

Where Chi Torpedo are like "Well I'll be going somewhere over there"

[strong forum]

Vdh is literally same as leap

Better even cuz it's further

[jagged narwhal]

Oh yeah, Vdh doesn't have that Blade Dash thingie that Havoc does

[strong forum]

Lo

[jagged narwhal]

But things like Roll, Chi-Torpedo, Blink (not a tank skill, I know) and anything like that where you don't have a Fixed location or target that you are jumping or charging too always take so long for me to get used to. So bad at judging the distances and the like. Which is why I prefer the Leaps and Charges

[lime mantle]

Warrior mobility feels good because how easy it is to control.
Fixed target cheesing of knockvack? Charge.
Defend ally and easy kite? Intercept
Need to just be away NOW?
Leap.

[jagged narwhal]

Yeah exactly

[lime mantle]

Vdh has 2 leaps on short cd and can talent into a short range charge (which should be baseline).

[silk mortar]

Aren't we talking pvp talents now

[brisk ferry]

play monk enough, you'll know where your torpedo will end...

[strong forum]

Yeah the torpedo thing is just getting used to it

Tbh

I don't play monk but that's just how it is

[lime mantle]

Nope, fel blade(charge? Idk) it’s an early talent nobody takes.
It deals some st damage and resets with shear, it is useless because pain is useless and doesn’t generate orbs.
Also because contrary to my autistic@love@of mobility, 12 cd 2 charge jumps is good enough

[jagged narwhal]

Yeah but I just assume I won't ever get fully used to it. I've had a Mage next to my tanks for 6+ years and I still misjudge my Blinks half the fucking time

[brisk ferry]

but Transcendence is just whole other level

[jagged narwhal]

What's the CD on Transcendence?

[drowsy salmon]

Monk is so bad in terms of dps and threath or is something valuable if you play mdi?

[brisk ferry]

think it's 10 secs

I have no issues with threat, but yeah dps is stinky atm

compared to my warrior at least

[jagged narwhal]

But then again Warrior is insane. We were struggling with DPS on Rastakhan HC when we first did it, not killing Roka before his second leap causing wipes due to low DPS / mistimed taunts. So we just decided to bring three tanks.

[lime mantle]

Comparing to one of the tanks whose only utility is “big dick damage” is a pretty unsmart thing to do tbh

[jagged narwhal]

In P2 and 3 the Warrior was almost doing comparable DPS to some of our lower geared DPS

[brisk ferry]

yeah I agree

[lucid bough]

brmaster dps is pretty poor

[jagged narwhal]

BDK has halfway decent single target but piss poor AoE damage

[lucid bough]

it needs like 2nd kegsmash charge like legion

and explosive keg baseline

they removed 1 of the most fun abilities to press

[jagged narwhal]

Paladin is bad single target and AoE, but fuck you if you want to cast a spell on one

[orchid token]

????

paladin DPS is amazing in both single target and AOE

second only to warrior

[jagged narwhal]

not in my experience with it. But maybe I'm just bad at it

I find the fun in Paladin tanking with the constant interrupts

[brittle owl]

paladin will probably edge out warrior in single target next patch wdym

atm warriors are like 2-4% ahead

on pure ST, and thats with deva cheese

[jagged narwhal]

Like I said, I'm probably just bad at it then. But I literally get better AoE DPS on my BDK than my Paladin

[brittle owl]

yikes

[orchid token]

my paladin will typically be between 24-25k in most dungeons while in comparable runs my warrior will be 27-30

on overall

[jagged narwhal]

I rarely get the Paladin over 20K on overall

[brittle owl]

other tanks struggle to reach 20k, comparatively

[jagged narwhal]

but my DK is at 20-22K usually

Ofc DK is 10 ilvls higher

[brittle owl]

granted, on a paladin you want to make big pulls every 2 mins, and gigantic pulls every 5

on bdk you have bonestorm every pack

and woyer just flows way better

[jagged narwhal]

I don't even play Bonestorm 'cause I'm too lazy to respec between Raid and m+ lol

[orchid token]

my paladin is 419 and my warrior is 415 and paladin is within 15% of warrior

on overall

on single target paladin blows it away

[brittle owl]

ya

warrior pulls ahead with deva and the fury trait tho

like 2% ish

maybe a tad more

[jagged narwhal]

Well, I haven't taken my Paladin very seriously 'cause I don't like the way it plays. I mostly just run it when I have +10 chests on my Warrior, DK, Rogue and Mage already

[oblique garnet]

Warrior will do more on ST

[orchid token]

that seems weird

its very close to warrior

in playstyle

[brittle owl]

doesnt flow as well though

imo it's more ups and downs than warrior, as far as pace goes

[jagged narwhal]

It's the fact that the Self heal, forget what it's called, is on the GCD, and trying to stay within the confines of Consecration as much as possible

[brittle owl]

and procs are harder to manage

[fickle urchin]

pala likes keeping things stationary right? For aoe

[jagged narwhal]

Oh yeah, and my fucking GOD AWFUL luck in getting good Azerite Pieces.

Yeah, which sucks with Reaping

[fickle urchin]

wonder if pala works well with fire mages

since they like stationary groups too

[brittle owl]

who doesn't like stationary groups lol

[fickle urchin]

i mean, its critical for fire mage

[brittle owl]

it's the reason why grip is broken

[lucid bough]

paladin does very good aoe damage

not as busted as prot warrior, buts super good

[jagged narwhal]

I've purchased 6 400 Pieces on my Paladin and never gotten one with Bulwark on it. So i'm still using 385 Azerite on it, and I never get any of the good pieces from BoD to drop

[brittle owl]

if you're playing LF you can get warrior level bursts tho

with the racial

bulwark is overrated

[fickle urchin]

then you have to compare to a LF warrior

[brittle owl]

not really

since seraphim increases damage

lf racial does more on paladin than warrior

bcs of the vers

[jagged narwhal]

Really? 'cause Icy-veins says 3 Bulwarks is more or less Mandatory, and I felt as squishy as a paper towel running +10s without it

[brittle owl]

no

you're playing wrong

100%

you never drop ilvl for azerite

and bulwark is increasingly worse

the more stuff hits harder

[jagged narwhal]

Unless it's Deafening Crash? lol

[brittle owl]

i meant paladin

[jagged narwhal]

Yeah I was just making a joke, since Deafening Crash is so stupid valuable

[brittle owl]

tru

[orchid token]

for every single tank you run ilvl over every trait

[fickle urchin]

eh i dont play LF, you are probably right. We had one on zekvos. His racial was accountin for about the same damage as a tripple LOW warbreaker. Kinda nuts on ssome fights.

[brittle owl]

bulwark is only good if you stack 3

[orchid token]

sole exception being one inspiring vanguard

[brittle owl]

even then you're usually better off just going with dps azerite

[jagged narwhal]

One Inspiring Vanguard, One Soaring Shield, and 3 Bulwarks is what I've been aiming for

[brittle owl]

yeah but IV is on almost every piece

i dream of a world where i could get

3iv 3ss

or 3 iv 1 ss 2 wings burst trait forgot the name

bulwark only seems good on low damage intake, because you just absorb everything

when stuff starts whacking it's way better to just go dps and make the encounter/pull shorter

and kite if you have to

[jagged narwhal]

Idk, it's been working pretty well for me so far. With IV, First Avenger and Tripple Bulwarks the Bulwarks pretty much never drop on me

'cause you just get so many Procs

[orchid token]

you don't need triple bulwarks for it to be good

[brittle owl]

well ofc it wont drop in +10

[orchid token]

each trait has equal value to the next

it's not like you're better off with 0 than 2

[brittle owl]

true

[orchid token]

there's no magic breakpoint about running 3

its just that it's a trait that fully stacks so there's no reason not to stack 3 if you can get them

[brittle owl]

i am saying that most of the times you'll be better off by using dps traits than bulwark imo

if you play correctly

[jagged narwhal]

Sure, but I was running either 3 or 0, if I was going to use the 400 items I had

[orchid token]

if your dps is bad as paladin then one of 3 t hings is happening - you're capping judgements, you're munching AS procs, or your consecrate uptime is bad

since all of your damage is those three abilities

[brittle owl]

capping judgements also means your SotR uptime is lower than it should be

so it's also a "defensive loss"

[jagged narwhal]

My priority is casting SoTR if I don't have buff / about to Expire, Maintain Conc, AS on CD/Proc, Judgement on CD, and HR everything in between

[orchid token]

knowing what to do and doing it are different things

[brittle owl]

^

[jagged narwhal]

Very true

[orchid token]

your DPS wouldn't be bad if you were doing the above.

so if your DPS is bad something is missing

that's why logs are good

[strong forum]

In aoe I spam shield, keep uptime on AM and spam judgements

[brittle owl]

it's usually judgement that's the main culprit

[strong forum]

Just spam dem mf'ers

That's prot pally in a nutshell

[brittle owl]

be like captain paladin

[strong forum]

Spam judgement and shield

[jagged narwhal]

Well, I'm running subpar DPS traits in favor of survivability appearently, and I'm Probably defaulting back to Warrior buttons when stressing out without realizing

[strong forum]

Pally is actually giga comfy once you understand how it's played

[jagged narwhal]

Which would mean I'm hitting SoTR and Conc more than I should (based on where those buttons are compared to my warrior)

[strong forum]

Overall dps is meh compared to warri but comfy

[brittle owl]

i wouldn't say meh

lower sure

[strong forum]

My pally just hit 410 and my overall is below 20k so it's meh

[brittle owl]

but it's second in terms of dps compared to warrior

[strong forum]

Na I'd say vdh is stronger

Cuz it's not target capped

Unlike pally

[ionic fern]

Reaping ends and everyone's overall comes a lot closer yet again.

[jagged narwhal]

Either way. I'm probably never going to take the time to learn how to play it properly until Light Of The Protector comes off the GCD, which it probably never will

[brittle owl]

only AS is target capped, and if you pass say 10 mobs, BH is gonna do more damage anyway

vdh is better sustain sure

problem is they have to kite more

thus lower dps

[strong forum]

If pally wasn't target capped it would be top dps

[orchid token]

i mean

you can sya whatever you want

paldin is firmly the 2nd best M+ DPS tank

behind warrior

[strong forum]

Agreed

[orchid token]

if your experience doesn't match that you're playing paladin badly

[brittle owl]

^

[strong forum]

Pally is giga fun for the interrupts alone

Utility god

[jagged narwhal]

Yeah that's where I have the most fun with it

[strong forum]

3rd boss in shrine? Lemme solo dat

[jagged narwhal]

Tanking Adds on Champions as a Paladin? It's like being a bully

[strong forum]

15 interrupts easy

[jagged narwhal]

"Oh you're casting a spell? How about go fuck yourself."

[strong forum]

But yeh, with s3 pally might become best cuz of reaping being gone

I miss it already

:peeposad:

[jagged narwhal]

I wonder what the new Affix will be

[brittle owl]

it really depends on what the affix will be

but prob won't be an aoe fest

[jagged narwhal]

I'm thinking some big fuck-off Miniboss will take the field

[strong forum]

Exactly

[brittle owl]

in which case paladin might be better

[strong forum]

And that's big lamo unfun

[brittle owl]

don't get me wrong, i enjoyed infested

[jagged narwhal]

As long as it's better than Infest I'm happy tbj

[brittle owl]

but comparatively

[jagged narwhal]

tbh*

[strong forum]

M+ is fun because of huge as pulls

[jagged narwhal]

Really? I fucking hated Infested

[brittle owl]

reaping is loads fun

[strong forum]

I hated infested with all my might

[jagged narwhal]

Especially in Waycrest

[brittle owl]

at the time, i enjoyed it

except yeah

the bugged instances 😂

[old zephyr]

First in shrine or third In Motherlode at not

[jagged narwhal]

Infested was playing with constant Bolstering

[brittle owl]

TD waycrest

and there's one other that i'm missing probably

[oblique garnet]

Infested was garbage

Theres nothing to it

[ionic fern]

What do you mean?
You wanna tell me you diddn't enjoy having that one critter being infested in FH? That was awesome design.

[brittle owl]

oh ya

that critter as well 😂

[ionic fern]

😂

[brittle owl]

that motherloving critter

[jagged narwhal]

and Underrot? Where you want to skip 90% of the trash but one of those fucking worms got away from you?

So now you got an infested Death Worm Deathbolting you

[brittle owl]

tbf

if the crawling chlamydia got away from you

there wouldve been other issues that would deplete your key

[jagged narwhal]

Sure. I'm just saying it was way more annoying in Underrot than, for instance KR where you're going a linear path anyways

[oblique garnet]

Infested was nothing but a huge waste of time

Imagine youre cc 3 pack to do the infested separately

The 3 infested mobs heal eachother when they are not supposed to do so

[brittle owl]

never had that issue 🤷

[jagged narwhal]

I had that. When I did Waycrest and the Worms ran trough the doors around Raal's room and infested his entire god damned room

cheating bastards

[ionic fern]

That was always fun.

[mortal brook]

all the time

[ionic fern]

They sometimes also went into the ceiling basement through the courtyard

[brittle owl]

infested always pulled the hunters for me 😂

[jagged narwhal]

So then you realize your key is dead in the water and start doing slow CC. But they keep healing despite the CC

[ionic fern]

And pulled literally half the dungeon

Was also fun

[jagged narwhal]

Yeah

We also had someone get an Infested Infest

that was fun

'cause every now and then that fucking Infested worm would pop back out and start healing everyone else

[mortal brook]

had one go through a TD wall and infest the mob right before the last boss. from the 2nd floor =/

[jagged narwhal]

Haha

[brittle owl]

TD ones were awful

[jagged narwhal]

Oh, the other day I had reaping pull mobs btw

[brittle owl]

when reaping came out

[jagged narwhal]

THAT was an adventure

[brittle owl]

and i had the first 2 reaps in TD

i jumped in my chair

because infest PTSD

seeing all those nameplates move

[jagged narwhal]

I was doing AD +13, we get to the Priestess boss, trigger Reaping, the Reaping comes running. and Brings with it the fucking Dinosaurs and Dino Tamers from the centre

[ionic fern]

Oof, don't even mention TD..it's even more broken now than it was then. All the TD's i've done the god damn pack before Jes just teleports around randomly i swear to god. We were killing the 2 casters when you get on Jes's floor and all of a sudden the big pack dissapears from where they were (before Jes) and teleport behind us. 🤷

Working as intended.

[brittle owl]

do you have a frost mage by any chance

😂

[ionic fern]

Noper

We even checked the logs

Nothing damaged the mobs.

🤷

[brittle owl]

orbs can pull from across the rail

weird then

never had that happen

[ionic fern]

We've had that happen like 3 times now. 😦

[jagged narwhal]

Remember when Seed Of Corruption would pull ALL of Kharazhan during tBC?

[ionic fern]

So we just pull all the casters at the start of the floor wayyyy back into the corridor.

[brittle owl]

ya

[mortal brook]

i havent had a td in a while where the group to the left of the spoter leading to the cannons dont pull. even coming from the right

[jagged narwhal]

It made the Curator boss 10 times harder than it needed to be. Since the Go-Too was putting SoC on the boss constantly, and the trigger would One Shot the sparks

[brittle owl]

it was mostly the banquet hall + curator that were the issues

and after you cleared once or twice and everyone was decked in T4 you roflstomped kara anyway

so it didn't matter that much

[gritty stream]

should i keep my taunt on cd when in a dunegeon

[lime mantle]

No

Don’t taunt unless you need to snap take aggro

[gritty stream]

gotcha

[lime mantle]

As taunt DOES gives increased aggro contrary to te tooltip, but you shouldn’t spam it because you might need it for ninja pulls

[sand egret]

this is incorrect. Taunt provides increased aggro to targets at a value of 400% for the duration of the debuff.

@gritty stream just to clarify. you shouldnt really be spamming it on cooldown, but it very much can be used preemptively if need be.

[lime mantle]

@sand egret that got removed in 8.1.
Or the tooltip changed

[ionic fern]

Jeap, that. ^
They just removed the extra line "and increases threat that you generate against the target for 3s"

From the tooltip.

but the effect itself is still there.

[lime mantle]

Every fucking time. Why do I even read spells?
Editing for correctness

[ionic fern]

Check the spell details if you're unsure.

[lime mantle]

You are more trustworthy than blizzard

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure Blizzard stated that they don't want to give too much information on tooltips or something hence they purged some of it.

[west galleon]

lol why

[ionic fern]

Idk, numbers and extra information is scary.

[lime mantle]

Also people where right about the thing on KR with the bitchslap, tried it and didn’t make a video cuz wrong, I got it confused from the cleave in shrine

[full spruce]

Well that was a trip. Now can play the game...

[ionic fern]

Tfw your alts are higher than my main who does a ton of m+ every week.

[lime mantle]

Those names are horrible and my DH is called Illivape. Because I didn’t think of Illivegan.

[west galleon]

ive never gotten a 425 feelsbad

[brittle owl]

ye but you don't do islands tho

[lime mantle]

I got the first one last this week!