So Batman @umbral forge
#protection
sick sentinel
oblique garnet
Stagger prevents oneshots
umbral forge
No like Grappler Baki
umbral forge
there's so many people who underestimate the power of block.
It's a bigger difference than being nude as opposed to wearing your gear, minus a shield.
lusty grotto
its just a question of understanding defensives
willow scarab
i have tried the strat and it’s really not viable on mythic
warm plinth
🤔
oblique garnet
?
umbral forge
"I should sleep.
Oh, netflix has a new show that looks cool"
umbral forge
They can't turn my Anime PC.
oblique garnet
Oh you mean baki s2?
umbral forge
no just Baki. I knew about the animation but didn't bother cause Netflix.
Then I remembered
My friend has netflix so I borrowed his
umbral forge
Seriously though, Baki is kinda hot.
warm plinth
Are weebs all like closet pervs?
oblique garnet
No just jettom
ionic fern
O.o
oblique garnet
Mwahi are you actually like responsible adult and waking up at reasonable hours?
Only times i see you are during the mornings
undone sun
imagine being a responsible adult 🤣
umbral forge
if you're active in a class discord for WoW you're not a responsible adult.
umbral forge
You know the answer yourself
oblique garnet
@undone sun you somehow sleep even less than me and you dont even play the game🤔
warm plinth
What games do you play Thyme?
undone sun
not much right now, trying to cut back and better myself
i have warframe and apex install, but haven't played apex in a few weeks
warm plinth
Cool, anything specific you're focused on?
oblique garnet
I wish there was new strategy games
undone sun
losing weight, gaining some muscle, starting classes, getting a job... you know, the whole package
warm plinth
Ohhh yeah I know what you're talking about. That whole being a productive member of society thing
I should work on that too 🤔
I actually am working on the losing weight thing. I'm a fatty mcfatfat
oblique garnet
Just do like 20 pushups& situps after you do a key or smth
warm plinth
Jesus christ
undone sun
along with others but that's the focus
warm plinth
If I could do like 2 push ups I'd be impressed with myself.
undone sun
a set of 5-10 every 20 minutes
warm plinth
And they'd have to be spread out over like 30 minutes
oblique garnet
I mean you do 4-5 keys a day you do 100 pushups every day
Then you just eat properly
Thats more important than exercise tbh
warm plinth
Yeah eating is my problem honestly. I have always liked to exercise/work out, but I have a hardcore food addiction.
Like I'll start my day telling myself that I'm going to eat this much of this, this much of this, and then I get done eating dinner and realize I just had like 3 people's worth of food 😂
undone sun
yeah, definitely something i need to work on
mortal brook
got out of Army back in october. confirmed i am down to being able to do 3 entire pushups before muscle failure \o/
undone sun
i don't eat a lot, just not the best
ionic fern
I eat horribliy and irregulary when ever i'm on vacation cause i'm too lazy to do anything. 😂
When i'm at work etc then i'm actually eating decently.
oblique garnet
Has anyone here played mordhau?
warm plinth
Is that that medieval type game that Bajheera's been playing? The first person sword fighting and shit?
oblique garnet
Yeah
ionic fern
Is it any good?
coral jasper
Any Prot Warr worth their salt LF an 18 SOB? 1.8K + io score LMK
oblique garnet
@ionic fern idk it has potential which is why i was thinking about it and its also relatively cheap being only 22€
olive lily
When do I ignore pain?
fair sky
when you get hurt and need to keep going
ionic fern
Take IP as a tool not to rage cap.
E.g you can use it off GCD to never rage cap and smooth out the dmg even more.
You DO NOT prioritize it over SB.
SB = your primary mitigation vs PHYSICAL damage.
Ignore pain is just a tiny buffer ontop of it.
You can prioritize IP on pure magic damage fights over SB tho..there's not a lot of them - 2 which come to mind and are most frequently brought up are the 2 last bosses on ML.
You should also check: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
There's a section on different abilities(including IP).
glad sparrow
Another time to ignore Sb is Zul in KR.
olive lily
Thank you
fair sky
which 3rd trait is best for prot blood siphon or crystalline carapace?
warm plinth
Both are fine. Crystalline is a bit more defensive in nature than Blood Siphon
umbral forge
"I want to watch something before I go to sleep"
"I don't have time for a movie"
I've seen 10 episodes of Baki. That's 3 hours.
ionic fern
Not sure what Baki is..sounds like a anime.
hardy geyser
Is the anime good? All like 1200 chapters of the manga are pretty good xd
There’s a 7 seeds Netflix adaptation coming out in summer too 🍆
umbral forge
I'm enjoying it. It's like 3 hours of thunder clapping under Avatar.
What I've seen so far anyway
austere oar
Yesterday on Opulence during add phase in p2 I got Gizmo haste proc under BL, thunderclapping with avatar on 9 targets every GCD
Felt so damn good
sick sentinel
how do you deal with the skele packs in UR with fort, jsut did a 15 and the dot tore through me
sick sentinel
its the dot the killed me
sand condor
And clap
sick sentinel
ah so just suck it up and dps ig
orchid token
The buff that makes one of the skeletons give you the dot is an enrage
So druids and hunters can remove it
Wicked Frenzy
warm plinth
You're a wicked frenzy
orchid token
You can also reflect one attempted application of it by the mob
@sick sentinel
Failing that kite once you see wicked frenzy go up
sick sentinel
mmk
is frenzy more important to interrupt than skeles bone shield?
so no dots happen
warm plinth
Bone shield can be purged, so if you have a purge/dispel and you're dying to the DoT, then yeah I would prioritize the frenzy.
I always prioritize the shit that's gonna kill me or my group. If you can do both, great. if not, focus on what's gonna kill you.
warm plinth
But you can soothe/whatever the hunter thing is once it's on the mob, assuming you have a druid or hunter ofc
orchid token
It also doesn't put the spell on CD, so it will recast after the stun
Realistically if you don't have a druid or hunter, or if they suck at dispelling, you'll need to kite
sick sentinel
mmk
weary nacelle
hey guys, what do you think about the new trinkets from Crucible and more specifically the tanking one? That's the one that leaches hp from nearby allies and enemies.
Wonder if anyone found a good use of that one, or is it just bad?
warm plinth
It's a good defensive trinket for M+; it prioritizes enemies over allies.
weary nacelle
defensive due to the healing you receive?
weary nacelle
but would you prefer it over haste proc, or strenght proc, etc.. even diamond.
orchid token
not so much just the healing
but that it's an on-use
so you can concentrate all of the benefit into the exact moment you need it
unlike diamond
warm plinth
I wouldn't use it if I didn't need a defensive trinket. If I had that and diamond and felt like I needed defense, I'd probably use diamond just because it's passive and I don't have to push a button. Idol is good because it's on-demand though so you can use it when you need it, and very frequently at that.
umbral forge
It's an on-demand LoH
orchid token
choosing diamond over the idol is a baaaaad defensive choice
idol is ten times better
a hundred times better
defense when you don't need it may as well not be there, it's worthless
and most of the time, in most fights, you're usually not in danger
you need a trinket that helps you out during the 1% of a fight that you're in danger
and the diamodn is the exact opposite of that
it's always there helping a tiny bit, but at any given moment it's only a tiny amount
warm plinth
I never said diamond was better though.
orchid token
you implied they were pretty close by saying you'd use it because it's passive, as if that tips the scales
added up over a fight it's very good and it looks great on meters but you don't get any real defensive benefit from diamond
warm plinth
I said I would use it because I don't like pressing extra buttons. It was purely a personal opinion on my preference.
orchid token
having an empty trinket slot saves you pressing buttons too
but you weren't advocating for that
warm plinth
I even went on to say that Idol is good because it's on demand so it can be used when you need it.
orchid token
in terms of actually keeping you alive the diamond is about 1% better than an empty slot
aside from the strength
the diamond is a huge meme and never worth using unless solely for the ilvl
warm plinth
The important thing is that you and that guy aren't affected by my personal trinket choices. And it's purely hypothetical on my part regardless because I have neither trinket. No reason to make a stink about it.
I explained why I would use diamond, and I gave him the pro of using Idol instead of diamond. If he needs more advice beyond that, you've provided it. His question was answered either way.
umbral forge
@weary nacelle its good Especially with leech
warm plinth
Whether you have leech or not is completely irrelevant to the use of the trinket.
umbral forge
Yesh but its a bonus line of green
warm plinth
If you hit 7 enemies with it and had 10% leech, it would heal you for like 6500 if you had a 425 idol
Virtually nothing
God idk where these FPS problems came from. Starting to piss me off 😠
umbral forge
I noticed
warm plinth
😂
umbral forge
You seem to be on edge
warm plinth
I need muh frames
lime mantle
Idol let’s you kill “allies”.
Idol is hence OP.
umbral forge
You took a comment about leech serious in this Discord, Ghash. Are you okay?
warm plinth
Nah like I run 100fps and then I spawn into Ivus with a 40 man raid group and my frames just bottom out. Never done that before
And I have no idea why it would do that and I'm not computer savvy enough to know what to even check for lol
prisma pelican
Haven’t followed the lastest ptr changes recently... still only tc nerf planned so far? We still m+kings ?
warm plinth
Still just the Unstoppable Force nerf so far
umbral forge
The removal of reaping is a huge nerf and we probably wont be kings in S3
lime mantle
Last updates have ass raped performance
umbral forge
Speccs rarely dominate more than 1 season
prisma pelican
Oh right forgot about new season
warm plinth
New affix might hurt us. We'll still be strong but possibly not ideal for whatever the new affix is.
prisma pelican
We still dont know what s3 gonna be right
warm plinth
If it's something where grip is amazing or something like that, we'll be less preferred
No, just that it's going to be a Nazjatar themed affix
And I think someone said Blizz mentioned it was going to be "ST focused"
umbral forge
Prot Pala or Vengeance DH might be new meta.
Yeah we dunno.
Prot Warrior is sick right now but an affix like infested fucks us over.
prisma pelican
Did he say vengeance dh
umbral forge
Yeah Blizz are giving them a lot of changes
lime mantle
It’s gonna be OP for BDK because BDKs main cried a lot they had to actually use mobility! They get scared easily from fast moving objects.
umbral forge
They have sick dungeon utility if they get 1/3rd of a Warrior's mitigation they'd be preferred over us if it wasn't for ~30k DPS
lime mantle
@umbral forge soon I’ll be free from the trash bin!
I Hope Vdh is good but vdh st is a joke
prisma pelican
Bears buffs too
warm plinth
Yeah bear may end up being good too. I don't think they're finished with VDH yet.
lime mantle
Wake me up when they decide to unfuck their talents.
warm plinth
The 20% soul cleave buff was too random to be the end.
lime mantle
It’s a nice buff because now you sort of have a reason to press cleave
(You don’t cuz it eats orbs but eh)
warm plinth
You still really don't. Soul Cleave is like 5% of your damage. A 20% buff on it is almost pointless
prisma pelican
Exactly
warm plinth
That's why I feel like something else is coming
lime mantle
As said it’s changes so far are like not showering and instead spraying some air freshener.
orchid token
you'll still press cleave in the same situations as before, nothing changes regarding use
warm plinth
It's just such a weird and out-of-touch change that either they're just really clueless or they have an endgame
And I'm a glass half full type of guy
lime mantle
(Also if it wasn’t clear I was being 100% sarcastic on SC buff being relevant)
Also bear would be 10 times better to play if frenzy regen was off gcd.
And wild charge had 2 charges via talent.
warm plinth
I do think FR needs to be off the GCD. Also someone was saying that the instant heal can crit, though I didn't stick around to see if it was confirmed
Even if it does, I doubt it's intended though honestly. That'd be a 60% heal iirc
undone sun
it can crit
https://i.imgur.com/kLgNHM2.png ignore the numbers, it's just a proof of crit
warm plinth
That's a pretty spicy heal then (potentially obviously)
prisma pelican
Yeah but costly
warm plinth
Yeah, though at least they dropped it to 30 rage max from 40. The problem is still that it's not controllable
Honestly would like it better if they just took it off GCD, made it 20 rage and made it a bigger heal. Variable rage cost on a spec that doesn't really have a lot of free rage is kinda bleh
orchid token
even without a crit it's a pretty beefy heal
almost paladin HOTP level and paladins take way more damage upfront than bears do
im more concerned about the rage intake scaling too high on ironfur
bears will either be well-tuned single target and crazy OP in AOE with the amount of ironfur they'll be able to maintain
or well tuned in AOE and crap iN ST
lime mantle
Also doesn’t scale of mastery. I want to comment on that since idk wtf that mastery even does anymore.
warm plinth
Gives them max HP and increased healing received
undone sun
external heals
lime mantle
Yours?
warm plinth
Yeah external heals. FR isn't affected.
lime mantle
Wasn’t it only your healing in legion?
I am so confusedz
undone sun
no
warm plinth
No it was external heals in Legion too
Basically bear defense against magic (since removal of MoU anyway) is having a high HP pool. But obviously you don't want a high HP pool by itself because then you're just a heal sponge. So mastery makes it so it's not completely obnoxious to heal you with your high ass HP
Which tbh I don't even know how high their HP is in BfA; haven't paid much attention lol.
sick sentinel
Not that much
orchid token
its trying to achieve the same goal as monk's equivalent
undone sun
not as high as others
warm plinth
Yeah idk. As I said I remain optimistic. I think it's important that they're actually making changes which tells us they know they need changes. We can only hope that by the time the patch hits, those changes have resulted in a more even playing field.
prisma pelican
Doesnt pally have the same magic resist than bears anyways since sotr only gives armor now
orchid token
paladins get DR from being in consecrate
undone sun
pally can and will talent into Holyshield
orchid token
it's not much, 5-8% depending on mastery
warm plinth
They can still take Holy Shield to block spells, and they get DR from their mastery iirc
orchid token
- that, holy shield
prisma pelican
Oh yeah holy shield
orchid token
which is unreliable against big hits but extremely effective against lots of small ones
like bwonbwon
lime mantle
Wtb holy shield for warrior. Call it biceps shield.
warm plinth
They can keep Holy Shield. I'll take my Reflective Plating back.
undone sun
+1
sick sentinel
Same tbh
orchid token
VDH will actually be sneaky OP against magic if they ever get relevant enough to bring for other reasons
sick sentinel
Ay, absorb-o-tron is getting the ignore pain treatment
Which argueably makes it better
lime mantle
Vdh has 0 defense vs magic lel
orchid token
soul barrier is a massive absorb on a very short cooldown
lime mantle
Soul barrier isn’t that big
orchid token
and their self healing is almost DK level, so they don't care where the dmg comes from, just heal it back anyway
lime mantle
@sick sentinel I have the sneaky suspicion that’s because the “takes all the damage from a hit no mater how big” thing
orchid token
it is
sick sentinel
Vdh have also passive magic damage reduction, yeah?
warm plinth
Yeah 10% from their tattoos
sick sentinel
Is it 10? I thought it was 5
sick sentinel
Pretty good tbh
warm plinth
Oh yeah I forgot they upped the tattoos in the PTR
sick sentinel
Also if they run the soul cleave talent its 6% of all damage
lime mantle
5 free dr good
orchid token
self healing tanks are inherently better against magic, 15% from tattoos is more than any other tank gets
its pretty good
lime mantle
21 free dr sound la spicy
warm plinth
Yeah, they upped the armor passive and the tattoos and nerfed spikes
orchid token
the nerf on spikes is hilarious
lime mantle
How so!
orchid token
as if blizz is worried they'll be OP if they dont "balance the buff"
warm plinth
Right lol
sick sentinel
And then they pool souls, take a big hit and heal it back up
orchid token
balancing out buffs with nerfs is what you do when a class is overall in a good spot and you just wanna shift their power around
not when a class is dumpster and needs all their numbers doubled
VDH with demon spikes up is weaker than a paladin with SOTR up
lime mantle
All numbers doubled and half of the talents baseline
orchid token
and demon spikes has far lower uptime
sick sentinel
They are scared of overbuffing lmao
warm plinth
I'm interested to see how VDH would play out if you could pool fragments better. Like if they kept the bomb and cleave caps but let you pool to like 10 souls
orchid token
buT 20% paRrY - says blizerd
sick sentinel
Remember warriors?
undone sun
what's a warrior
sick sentinel
@undone sun what's bfa?
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm plinth
Could be interesting since you could actually time your fragments for after big hits like DKs do
Since after damage is the only time they heal for shit
lime mantle
@warm plinth or if tracking wasn’t fubar.
Or if moving didn’t eat all of them.
Or if being on water didn’t break them.
Why is pick up orbs a mechanic it makes me so angryreeeee
orchid token
i play soul barrier at the moment because its really strong in the 15-16 keys that i limit my VDH too at the moment
its a fun spec to play
but if they get a few more good buffs ill probably swap it to void reaver in 8.2
gain 11% DR
warm plinth
It should really just be a counter tbh. They shouldn't be able to be picked up by running into them.
orchid token
- the armor buffs
warm plinth
The travel time of the fragments and accidentally picking them up is infuriating
orchid token
and yeah ghash you got it spot on
prisma pelican
Watching slootbag testing new dungeon on ptr. Looks pretty fun
orchid token
you need to be able to pool more shit
sick sentinel
You might have less armor with spikes up
lime mantle
You forgot
orchid token
meta needs the armor buff doubled
warm plinth
VDH in Maw of Souls on Helya was triggering
orchid token
OR
lime mantle
Baseline fracture
orchid token
the cooldown halved
idk baseline fracture doesnt make sense unless you make it a spender again
warm plinth
Move .0001 centimeters, eat all your frags
If they even ended up on the deck at all and didn't just get insta-absorbed lol
sick sentinel
Didn't you used to heal based on attack power
warm plinth
Yeah
orchid token
yeah
warm plinth
Now it's based on damage taken in the last 5 seconds or some shit
lime mantle
Shear is a pretty unfun spell to spam.
I’d take also baseline fel rush blade thing.
warm plinth
With a minimum of 1% hp per frag
warm plinth
That's the real bummer about VDH is that it's fun as hell
sick sentinel
Use spirit bomb after the tick
warm plinth
Like I absolutely adore VDH playstyle and all the awesome utility
orchid token
less fun than legion till
lime mantle
Reaping DH is like Bdk and Warrior has a kid and it’s perfect
orchid token
VDH damage is also sneaky good
sick sentinel
Trueee
orchid token
harder to do well than warrior since it's so easy to move accidentally and consume souls
but you can pump
lime mantle
Chain up.
Silence up.
Terror ups
orchid token
200k+ on a reaping wave in motherlode
warm plinth
Sigils are one of the most fun set of utility spells in the game. Such a cool idea.
orchid token
and sigil of silence i borderline orgasmic
sick sentinel
The thing about vdh for me personally
sick sentinel
Is that I played it in non-relevant content
Idk how to play in content that I can die in
lime mantle
Honestly whenever I pick my DH I can already hear the shitty metal and it’s great.
Popping a sigils is like knowing you are about to hit a guitar solo and there is nothing they can do to stop you.
sick sentinel
Like I know how to play to maximise dps as vdh but not ehr
sick sentinel
I mean the way I did it is go havoc
sick sentinel
I tanked until I had the ilvl to get accepted as havok
And now I roll as havok for weekly
coral jasper
How you do strikethrough @lime mantle ?
warm plinth
~~ on either side
sick sentinel
Because I do not want to invest time in learning it
coral jasper
I know how to this and ||this|| but not taht
lime mantle
@~~ at the end and start
coral jasper
Ahh ok
orchid token
oh yea
coral jasper
baller
orchid token
fiery brand is also OP against magic
lime mantle
How do youbspoiler byw
orchid token
such a good CD for 1min
lime mantle
Btw
coral jasper
| |
coral jasper
||
lime mantle
Wait
sick sentinel
@coral jasper But can you do this
coral jasper
on both sides
lime mantle
Guys
coral jasper
No0o0o
lime mantle
I can see it
coral jasper
How u d0o th4t
sick sentinel
** text
undone sun
hmmm
lime mantle
Vdh confirmed *good
sick sentinel
And then **
lime mantle
(*) not really
coral jasper
||Okay|| this is cool!
undone sun
warriors are dumb
finite bolt
Am using blood sport but I am not sure I got good azurite traits for tanking raids blood sport vs Iron fortress
undone sun
😄
coral jasper
I feel like a real nerd ... ||How you do that @undone sun ||?
undone sun
😉
finite bolt
I feel dumb
orchid token
@finite bolt iron fortress
coral jasper
Nah I was kitten 🐱 me too 🏳️🌈
finite bolt
Iron fortress for raiding wat about blood sport any say on Tht?
sick sentinel
This ? @coral jasper
undone sun
🤣
ionic fern
😂
sick sentinel
The fuck
I used ' instead of ` and editing on the phone is hard
Why is his name like that tho
sick sentinel
@undone sun
undone sun
sick sentinel
Explosive is fine
Until 4 spawn at the exact same time
Then it's not fine
Oh my god trying to boost my gf's alt was tilting
coral jasper
I enjoy explosive weeeks on my prot warr .. good ole (unless overwhlemed or damn melee take the SOLE orb that is down) victory rush
Always seems the DPS will target them when there is 1-2 and we can easily take care of them .. but when there is 5-6 when you struggle .. NOPE.
orchid token
its because people get decision paralysis
when there's 1-2 orbs up its fine
but when 6 spawn they panic and attack none
not realizing that its a longass cast and literally one melee can kill all six
viscid hatch
I did a 10 healing parse on Cabal I think I deserve my seat in the hall of fame
@sick sentinel how do you tank bosses
I did a 90 damage parse but a 10 in healing
sick sentinel
I just 123 and press sb when attacked
viscid hatch
I also didn't die
viscid hatch
the other tank died tho but I solo tanked the end
oh yea that must be it
I just press ip when I have rage
probably should get was
sick sentinel
Yes
honest canopy
sick sentinel
hello friend
brisk ferry
good morning
undone sun
Oh no
mortal carbon
hollow tundra
hexed onyx
Okay I was called a noob today because apparently there is a way for me to keep shield block up for 51 seconds straight, is anyone aware of how to do this?
sick sentinel
SB-SB-SB-LS-SB-SB-SB
if you are using bolster
last stand gives you block
so you can let shield block recharge during it
hexed onyx
Ahhh thank you
jovial haven
just seen next ptr build, absorb a tron on engi helm getting nerfed from 100% to 50%
sick sentinel
okay @jovial haven , I feel like you have no clue of what you are talking about and require some explaining
it's a buff to damage smoothing but a nerf to big hits
because it could absorb a big hit, no matter how big it was iirc
the total shield amount is supposed to be the same
viscid hatch
Thunder clap nerfed by half reroll dk !!!111!!11!
strong forum
Absorbatron was straight up broken in pve
viscid hatch
Was the funniest meme in pvp
any aoe kills it and with war you get a VR proc
Free win if your opponent has it pog
sick sentinel
prot in 3s was huge for a hot minute
jovial haven
I was just simply stating what the ptr patch note said.
sick sentinel
you said "nerfed"
jovial haven
well it is written as a nerf as in absorbing 100% to 50%.
sick sentinel
yes but it's not
it's like saying that IP ignoring 50% of the damage down from 90% is a nerf
old otter
Hi Guys what zandalari troll racial do i want for high m+?
signal plover
Kobe so u can sink dat fade away
viscid hatch
@strong forum git gudder
ionic fern
@old otter probably Paku.
It's a racial, not ment to be a gamechanger so you'll get away with everything.
lime mantle
^
It’s to boot a dps racial
Dps radials are mostly balanced/meaningless utility is where it at
strong forum
Has nothing to do with getting good that warri is trash tier in pvp :^)
lime mantle
Have you tried stacking leech so then when your team mate asks you why you do no dps you can just pretend to be confused and say you are a Bdk?
sick sentinel
You use bladestorm to get out of cc obv
strong forum
That's all its good for which is retarded
chrome hollow
is there any azerite traits or talents that can help me not take so much magic damage on mythic rasta and die
coral jasper
Does +Fire Resistance (wrists from TD) help with dmg taken from explosives .. wonder.
strong forum
Engi Helm is 👌 have all raid pieces but pref engi cuz absorbatron broken
sick sentinel
I use bleed removal
I used absorb for the longest time
And then I went into a 23fort kr
So I got bleed removal
And I forget to change it
strong forum
Just be dwarf 😏
sick sentinel
I'm 👡 boy
sick sentinel
👡 ari troll
coral jasper
Oh ... that's a stretch boi
lime mantle
Chanclari
coral jasper
📏
astral path
Who do you guys think, dps-wise, are the best to bring in groups for explosive week?
strong forum
Rogues
strong forum
But I tend to yoink ALL the orbs for that juicy 40k hps
ionic fern
BM does fairly well as well.
sick sentinel
Since blade dance and eye beam is all their damage
astral path
RIGHT! Victory Rush ftw xD
strong forum
Did WM this week and had like 7m healing from VR
astral path
wawww
sand condor
when your healer dies to an easy mechanic
and then the group blames you as the tank when you wipe
nice
feel
very
good
man
sick sentinel
Somebody is salty
sand condor
<- very
red wedge
Downed mekka last night. Thank god. Now I can go back to my warrior for blockade 😄
ionic fern
Were you on Grip duty as well?
red wedge
Yes
ionic fern
Feels bad.
red wedge
I'm the only dk in the guild, pretty much.
Rather, the only one that has a mythic-ready dk.
ionic fern
I'm surprised they diddn't ask you to solo soak on Blockade on DK. 😂
red wedge
We have like 3 others, but they're all 380ish
ionic fern
Tho you can do it easily on warrior as well.
red wedge
I refused, and am making hte monk do it
strong forum
I wish I had a good piece with vampiric speed, but mekka shoulders are just too good
red wedge
;p
lime mantle
My favorite meme is when healers cry I am paper and it’s because I take dps traits
Without knowing Warrior has 2 defense traits
Or dps running around with mobs and crying you can’t get aggro
Because they are used to play with a Paladin so they understand to sit in the yellow
strong forum
Tfw I have played with 2 healers total this expansion
lime mantle
I honestly just hate my raid healers
austere oar
idk in raids most of the healing done on me is by Guide of light, glimmer and HoTs
strange eagle
Hi guys, sorry for asking but in don't find in ressource wawr prot guide... I would like know which zandalari loa's buff, i must take for tanking in M +
austere oar
Paku for m+
strong forum
Much like trait choice, it doesn't really have a huge impact
austere oar
The strongest in ST is Bwonsamdi and Paku for AoE situations, rest is garbage
smoky hawk
Why do we, or the tanks in MDI, not take mastery as a stat for m+? Bastion of might during avatar?
austere oar
Mastery gives you a bit of dmg and strong defensive capabilities during melee physical damage taken
haste gives you CDR, damage, survival by CDR
and synergizes extremely well with Anger Management
tranquil cedar
What's the best SimC sim type for m+ focused prot warrior?
sick sentinel
@smoky hawk because crit is flat out better
austere oar
do they play Crit > Haste in MDI ?
sick sentinel
The ones who know what they are doing yes
Aka non-siphoning, non-bloodsport warriors
austere oar
yeah makes sense, fights are much shorter
smoky hawk
So we go haste/crit followed by vers then mastery?
But we dont drop much ilvl for other stats i think?
jovial haven
ilvl>all
strong forum
I like to drop 5ilvl for sockets unless I have to drop haste
But generally yes, just equip highest ilvl.
The min maxing you have to figure out yourself
jovial haven
you lose a good amount of stats doing that just for a socket
but that is your choice, and I am sure you make it work for you
onyx vessel
how good is bonded souls and does it stack?
onyx vessel
so you wouldnt take it?
rough egret
Yeah Like 3xbom 3xdc :D
winter wraith
anyone know if the DID racial can remove the Ferocious Roar from Grong?
sorry if this has been asked before, i know zerker cant do it
hallow phoenix
I believe the fear/horrify is classified as a physical effect
winter wraith
thats a no?
hallow phoenix
most likely thats a no
winter wraith
thanks Tusks!
hallow phoenix
You can zerker rage it on heroic and normal for what its worth lol
winter wraith
ah, am doing Mythic
ionic fern
No it doesn't.👌
hallow phoenix
Does BoP?
unborn island
Surely you should be saving DiD racial for double bleed anyway?
zinc spoke
are any of the racials worth race swapping?
hallow phoenix
zandalari gonk
winter aspen
Gonk gang
unborn island
Dwarf...to be master race
zinc spoke
cool so either zandalari troll or dwarf? thank you
hallow phoenix
zandalari troll was a joke
sick sentinel
dark iron is better then nelf imo for a tank
hallow phoenix
Dwarf bleed removal is actually really good though
sick sentinel
you can delete so many bleeds and dots its great
hallow phoenix
is DID removal better than normal dwarf?
austere oar
iirc yes
sick sentinel
its same dwarf gives %10 physical damage reduction on top after delete dark iron gives main stats
austere oar
cuz it give you stats
winter aspen
It gives you str
sick sentinel
you can use main stat to boost damage if needed aswell
hallow phoenix
id prefer 10% DR tbh
sick sentinel
but %10 physical damage reduction aint bad aswell tbh
winter aspen
Dwarf just 10% physical reduction
winter wraith
Thanks @ionic fern !
austere oar
skin > stats anyway
sick sentinel
dwarf is good either dark iron or not for m+ tanking
austere oar
gonk gang
hallow phoenix
no joke when i get the speed gem from opp crown im happy
i really should race change to zandalari
sand egret
🐢 🐢
sick sentinel
🙂
old zephyr
embrace the gonk gang
hallow phoenix
getting where you need to go faster means more dps uptime
exotic spoke
Space goat for life!
exotic spoke
You know... after I was originally a human, a goblin, back to human, then gnome, then dwarf, then finally space goat. But I didn’t pay for any of those so whatever
languid plank
can somebody please confirm that there is no perfectly accurate method of determining the damage caused by spell reflect? Appears in the log file it counts as a spell miss, and no damage values attributed.
exotic spoke
You can do it in logs
undone sun
It's just self damage
sand egret
Damage source isn't from you
exotic spoke
It’s friendly fire though - so it won’t be damage done by you
undone sun
From the target casting to the same target
exotic spoke
Going to do tos 20 tonight.... curious to see how much I can do to the first boss with reflect :).
Should be fun. Unless you know... I fuck it up and die
undone sun
Which is even funner
exotic spoke
In hindsight. So is when I’ve kept through the floor on the last boss
sand egret
Honestly, I finally did ToS on my Warrior and did some reflecting for the first time. Not too difficult, tbh. Holy moly...is it FUN.
i was cackling every time
oblique garnet
@exotic spoke the reflect is only 10~%
exotic spoke
Oh it’s great. Seeing the boss fucking chunk
sand egret
yeah and just the casual flurry of huge numbers
exotic spoke
Yeah I’ve never seen the actual %s @oblique garnet but I like seeing big numbers too
exotic spoke
Yeah, UR is good. Shrine reflect isn’t bad either
oblique garnet
The add disappearing feels so good on ur tho
languid plank
im reviewing a warrior tank log on Jaina, not sure im loking at it properly, but i dont see friendly fire indicating a spell reflect
languid plank
ohh, well, that'd do it
which boss has a spell reflectable ability?
ill look up a warrior tank on that and see what it looks like
sweet kettle
Jade fire
exotic spoke
There’s a pin which has all of the reflectable abilities
oblique garnet
Jade fire mekka
exotic spoke
Jadefire does and you reflect mekkatorques buster cannon (to take zero damage)
clear vortex
^
oblique garnet
Doesnt do any damage to boss but prevents the debuff
zinc spoke
spell reflect link in resources appears broken to me, anyone else? https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker
languid plank
broken for me too
exotic spoke
I’m having issues. Shits broken at work and now I’m bored / waiting
Sigh. And too early to start drinking
undone sun
We all have issues somewhere
exotic spoke
You don’t know me.... oh wait I just said I have issues >.>
undone sun
😡
oblique garnet
I mean riki i was supposed to go to sleep like 16 hours ago
But we cant always have what we want
exotic spoke
Wish in one hand and shit in the other - see which fills up first?
gritty stream
hey all, so im in the process of learning the prot spec, been watching some videos and im wondering what your keybinds are, what layout you guys use,
languid plank
404 messages on warcraft logs too, trying to find a warrior log so i can see what this friendlyt fire looks like
oblique garnet
@gritty stream if you have played other tank specs before you should have some sort of keyboard layout for abilities like taunt, interrupt etc and then you can just fill out the rest however you like
gritty stream
@oblique garnet its my first time playing a tank. so im looking for inspiration in a sense on what other have laid out
graceful cobalt
hi there give it an wa for the alchi stone procc? so that i can timed it better with Avatar and phiol of blood?
warm plinth
You don’t hold Avatar for anything Wolthties
eager tartan
Personally I use a razer "game board" thus the key binds are somewhat different
But my rule of thumb is having my most important regular rotations close in "q e r"
And the same for mitigation but adding shift
If that makes any sense
oblique garnet
@gritty stream I mean im using numbers 1-9 and then i have shift modifier binds and other macros you should test out and see which work out the best for you
gritty stream
it does, dont you use the q and e to strafe?
eager tartan
I strafe with a and d plus the mouse
gritty stream
fair enough
exotic spoke
I mean, I could tell you my binds but you’ll be like what the fuck. I’ve slowly modified them since I started back in vanilla.
It’s muscle memory now and I’d have to relearn if I change it. Ctrl modifiers
undone sun
mostly preferential anyways
exotic spoke
My kick / interrupts are always on t, movement on f, etc
warm plinth
If you check out the rotation page on icyveins guide, just make sure those buttons are on convenient keys. Then read the spell summary and make sure any other spells mentioned there like Shield Wall are at least semi-convenient.
undone sun
whatever fits ones own hand
oblique garnet
I have victory rush bound on 8 and intimidating shout on 9 😅
exotic spoke
Mitigation on 3, single target primary 4, aoe 2 etc
warm plinth
No one can tell you what to bind things because everyone has their own way of doing it. And some people like Riki have weird ass bindings.
exotic spoke
Mouse button for things like reflect / IP etc. basically find a pattern and make it work. As long as you’re consistent it’s good
gritty stream
fair enough, im working through some now, appreciate the advice
exotic spoke
Fuck, I had stances bound to ctrl z ctrl x ctrl c back when that was a thing
warm plinth
Like I said weird ass bindings 😂
languid plank
stance dance for me was alt 1,2,3
weary veldt
405 crit haste over 400 haste mastery?
undone sun
very weird
exotic spoke
Because I could use my thumb and palm of my hand to do those without lifting my fingers
eager tartan
Imo the best tip I would give is just learn them and check your CDs with weak auras on middle of the screen
oblique garnet
@weary veldt in what piece?
warm plinth
Where’s Kaege? He’s missing the keybind convo
weary veldt
legs @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
405
warm plinth
People who hit keys with something that isn’t a finger weird me out.
exotic spoke
Ilvl > * for armor pieces
eager tartan
I actually avoided stance dance as much as possible forcing the shit with macros
exotic spoke
I rested my palm near ctrl so it worked for me.
I know someone who has movement bound to asdf. That was weird as shit
oblique garnet
@warm plinth i actually started setting up my ps4 controller binds so soon you will see some spicy 20+ keys done with a controller
undone sun
yikes
warm plinth
Yeah someone in here has the movement keys moved over one or two keys to the right
eager tartan
But when I had to, I used three buttons from the mouse
warm plinth
I can’t remember who
undone sun
i remember hearing that @warm plinth
warm plinth
Super weird XD
exotic spoke
I had some macros, but I liked stance dancing. At times it felt needlessly complicated but at others it felt very rewarding
But this was back when there were sooooo many abilities.
warm plinth
That’ll be awesome Late. I started playing with ConsolePort a while back but I lost interest before I got a good map
eager tartan
I didn't mind it, I just tried to made it efficient as possible
oblique garnet
Im just bit conserned about targetting
warm plinth
Yeah that was what ruined it for me. Basically had to have a modifier that turned right analog from look to camera move, and I’m not a tab targeter so it was not working for me lol
eager tartan
Also I'm always been obsessed with having my UI as close to the center as possible
warm plinth
From point to camera move I meant
eager tartan
Then again that was hard with four bloody bars
exotic spoke
I prefer a mostly clear center and just see things in the peripheral
eager tartan
Which is why Iove weak auras
undone sun
briefly pugged with this warrior that was known for using a controller while playing back in HFC era, wasn't exactly the best
oblique garnet
I need @umbral forge for his cursed anime weakauras for prot
umbral forge
what
warm plinth
Yeah it’s kind of like being a clicker. You can be good to a point but you’re going to suffer as a player by using a controller.
And probably more so in some ways than a clicker
undone sun
plateaus really quick
warm plinth
Yeah. I only ever got interested in it so I could make questing more mindless
oblique garnet
You can be a clicker and do rotation etc perfectly
You dont lose that much if youre good
warm plinth
Late clicker confirmed
exotic spoke
True nim - and you can’t drink all day if you don’t start early
But work frowns on that if it’s before 4 at my company
warm plinth
I have work early today 😦 but it also means my weekend starts earlier so I’m alright with it
exotic spoke
Ditto nim - after 4 here. But that gives a couple hours for some drinks
lusty grotto
🤝
ionic fern
@oblique garnet unfortunately yes i'm a responsible adult.:D
I just saw that, sorry. 😂
I try to be on during when i'm at work.
oblique garnet
Wth mwahi
warm plinth
So responsible he responded to your message like 12 hours later
warm plinth
Lmao
oblique garnet
Im also pretty sure you responded to it before aswell xD
celest gate
Work is da poop
fresh wind
no more
celest gate
I could do my job with 10 hours a week from home :(
But 40 hours in an office is required
lusty grotto
this is why weworkremotely is my go to for job searching
eager tartan
@gritty stream https://i.imgur.com/T7hNApZ.jpg
lusty grotto
Murica!
umbral forge
https://i.imgur.com/Cg4K6BG.png
Our new guild has the tightest shit.
eager tartan
Also, I'd recommend to any tank to bind a few markers aswell
celest gate
Condom is F for me
eager tartan
on that record, I kick any basterd with "auto markers" whatever addon does that
oblique garnet
No dude what the hell are those keybinds
celest gate
You mean weak auras?
umbral forge
Devastate is CTR E and Ignore Pain is Shift E
lusty grotto
also what the f are those binds lmao
umbral forge
normal E is mount
celest gate
??? E is for strafe
oblique garnet
@eager tartan you know theres an automarker weakaura that only marks the specific mobs that need interrupting and not all the mobs
celest gate
Depends on what I'm doing
lusty grotto
thats exactly what he means
i have f9 through f12 for markers, but fuck that im not marking casters and shit every single pull
downloaded the WA np
eager tartan
@oblique garnet I rather do that manually, call it madness
I just like my prefered ones
oblique garnet
I mean with manual marks atleast it will be the same markers always
eager tartan
also the reason for up, left, right and down is this https://www.pcmag.com/review/308309/razer-nostromo
lusty grotto
oh good lord
eager tartan
been using it since tbc, could not live without it
celest gate
I just use a naga
lusty grotto
razer products
brisk ferry
automarker is 🔥
eager tartan
hell I use it even for photoshop and 3dmax binds at this point
celest gate
What's wrong with razer?
lusty grotto
razer is shit
celest gate
Examples?
lusty grotto
like 500% proof shit
eager tartan
its been working for more than a decade
celest gate
Evidence?
lusty grotto
every single thing ive bought from them breaks down within weeks, their keyboard switches are authentic garbage
meanwhile my logitech mice last decades
G501 masterrace
brisk ferry
G502 here
lusty grotto
yeah 502, that's what i meant
lusty grotto
the only decent thing that razer does is their phone
brisk ferry
I dislike Razer products, but their software is a whole other level of absolute trash
eager tartan
thing is, I never ever needed another keyboard since I got it in season 3!
lusty grotto
which btw they didn't make, they just bought the company that was making it
celest gate
I never use synapses
celest gate
The logitech mice are too small
Imo
Only reason I didnt get a g600
Or whatever it's called
umbral forge
it's massive.
celest gate
I didnt look at the others since I was told g600 was very reliable
exotic spoke
I just have a Corsair mouse with 5 buttons. That’s really all I need for my fat fingers
The mmo mouse buttons are usually too small imo
brisk ferry
anyone looked into any of the Mad Catz peripherals since re-launching the brand?
lusty grotto
back in the day
celest gate
My naga mouse buttons feel huge, I've mishit CDs a handful of times
eager tartan
your naga mouse right
brisk ferry
I liked my old cyborg mouse, which was essentially Mad Catz I think
lusty grotto
not me brostradamus
brisk ferry
think its big bucks though, so not worth the risk
ebon geyser
is having more than 1 BoM beneficial or should i take Tidal surge?
lusty grotto
right now i stick to logitech mice, corsair everything else and hyperx headsets
celest gate
M+ bom is great
brisk ferry
I went Logitech headset, no ragrets
exotic spoke
The most expensive peripheral I use for gaming is my head phones. Otherwise it’s mouse.... then I think keyboard and mic are equally cheap or close enough lol
Fuck Logitech
lusty grotto
yeah i dont like logitech headsets either
exotic spoke
You want headphones just get Bose. Use another mic
lusty grotto
hyperx clouds or just AudioTechnica
brisk ferry
had a big closing sale here for what used to be called Futureshop, now it's BestBuy
got em cheap
lusty grotto
bose is overpriced
exotic spoke
I have like a 15 dollar desktop mic. Fuck it - I don’t need to hear myself speak. Bose QC 25 headsphones
lusty grotto
fuck that
exotic spoke
Nah man, it’s great.
lusty grotto
nah
brisk ferry
think it was something like $250 for $80, and I ordered white and they didnt have em, so got for $60
lusty grotto
audio technica m50x <--- ftw
exotic spoke
Disagree. For a couple reasons - one they last for fucking ever. I had the previous one for 5/6 years for 300 bucks.
exotic spoke
Price per longevity is pretty good.
I use them every day, and oh dear god they are a life saver when I travel - not hearing plane turbines
I can hear myself think in a plane. The one trip every quarter I do for work makes them worth it alone
lusty grotto
nah im good with audio technicas
they are also $145
at half the price of bose's
and clearly superior
exotic spoke
You do you - but the sound quality, noise cancelling, longevity, and fact that if something happens to it you can replace individual pieces (if customer service doesn’t replace them for free) is great
lusty grotto
its been proven bose's sound quality is not up to par with their price
just check whatever audiophile site etc
exotic spoke
I’d love to see a link so I can read that.
lusty grotto
basically bose is the apple of audio products
they sell for a premium price
where you can get something that's better for less
though i guess Beats takes that throne now because they are Apple :p
exotic spoke
I haven’t had issues with them where I have with other headphones. I personally don’t mind a one time high cost for a product I use a lot every day
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto i can actuallt get 11% leech on my gear without dropping too much ilvl you think its worth?
lusty grotto
i feel that way towards everything riki, i just don't like to give money to companies that are clearly overpricing cause of brand name
exotic spoke
Probably should use Siphoning too
granite jolt
Siphoning is 5head
oblique garnet
Im already running siphoning
scarlet otter
Does Synatic Spark Capacitator work on raid bosses or only trash ?
lusty grotto
i thought we were past this leech meme shit
polar tangle
hey guys, my guild is on jaina and we've lost a tank so I have to fill in, not a tank main, so could use some tips
lusty grotto
y u do dis guys
granite jolt
Leech is BiS
exotic spoke
Fair nim. That comes down to personal preference too. I don’t think it’s over priced for what I get out of it. So I pay it. A large portion of that comes from my travel experience.
Each their own.
However I stand by the fact that I’d prefer to use a high quality headphones and just get a shitty desk top mic for how I’d have to invest a limited budget
brisk ferry
I'd start with the icy veins guide @polar tangle
exotic spoke
Grom - it’s the next level strat /s
polar tangle
I know tanking as a prot generally, it's jaina specifically that's kicking my ass
exotic spoke
I think most people need logs to help out.
polar tangle
I was thinking of taking heavy repercussins, since I take a ton of damage while shield block isn't up
lusty grotto
NO
exotic spoke
No
oblique garnet
@scarlet otter you want to go gizmo on engineering helm
exotic spoke
AM is too good
With bolster and the normal build. You’ll actually lose Shield block up time if you do that
lusty grotto
are you aware of what bolster does @polar tangle ?
scarlet otter
@oblique garnet cheers
polar tangle
yes, I use Bolster
lusty grotto
are you... using Last Stand?
exotic spoke
Your defensive rotation should be 3x shield block and then last stand
lusty grotto
recurringly? over gaps?
polar tangle
not exactly on cooldown, but yes
exotic spoke
It should basically be used on cooldown
polar tangle
ok, good to know
lusty grotto
if you're having problems keeping block up on jaina... you're clearly not managing SB + LS correctly
exotic spoke
Do you have logs @polar tangle
lusty grotto
(and i should add, if you're even considering HR... that's likely the case)
celest gate
This is a water treatment facility for groundwater
polar tangle
yesterday's logs
but thank you for telling me about Bolster
or rather LAst Stand
lusty grotto
on a 4 min attempt you used LS once
LS cd is 60 seconds with Bolster and even less when using rage correctly due to AM
cover your SB gaps with LS
polar tangle
Alright, thanks for the help, guys
exotic spoke
It looks like you’re using shield block when not actively tanking too
oblique garnet
Id use it too for pushing damage
exotic spoke
True. But if he’s having uptime issues and he’s doing it prior to tanking it’ll hurt
celest gate
I thought bolster makes it a 2 min CD
polar tangle
it does
celest gate
Am I retarded
polar tangle
my LS is currently 2 min and I'm using Bolster
exotic spoke
AM reduced it further tooderp
undone sun
AM reduces it even further
lusty grotto
yea its 60s less, sorry
2 mins but reduced by AM
so in general it goes down to 1 min 1min 25s
polar tangle
ok, didn;t realize you counted for AM
lusty grotto
you also used avatar twice
exotic spoke
Oh you’re not using reflect either Sairex
exotic spoke
On the pull I checked (pull 11) uou used reflect once.
Even if you can’t reflect anything it still reduces magic damage