protection

[neon tangle]

no daggers!

[modern brook]

😬

that trinket is so good for sub

[neon tangle]

is literally BiS

[modern brook]

have you simmed DS yet?

over vigor?

3x ace will put it over at somepoint

[neon tangle]

I mostly do m+, so vigor always

[modern brook]

might be too low ilvl

im fairly certain DS will out sim it in AoE too at some point

[neon tangle]

it's not so much the AoE but being friendlier to being off targets for a bit

since you can pool energy a little more w/o wasting it

[modern brook]

🤷 do you fam

just something to keep your finger on the pulse of

[sand condor]

are we...helping rogues

in the prot war discord

[neon tangle]

we're both rogues tho

[sand condor]

🤔

[neon tangle]

@modern brook also fwiw it sims just a tad higher right now, like .5%

[modern brook]

that'll be a bigger discrepency as you get better gear; assuming your azerite options stay exactly the same in your 415 variants

My secret outlaw dream is 3 Ace 2 Snake Eyes 1 Wits w/ DS

its a secret cause its a big meme

[reef holly]

3 BoM with a 400 piece or 2 BoM with all 415 pieces?

[modern brook]

probably all 415

theres like one super niche situation that im so positive is not applicable to you that I'm not sure why im even qualifying this statement

[neon tangle]

@modern brook I'm pretty stoked on the whole "random adrenaline rush" proc for outlaw tho, apparently works w/ loaded dice

[modern brook]

🤷 that one in general is pretty meh for us

I'm excited for that on prot war and Arcane mage tbh

although if it does work with dice thats another story

[neon tangle]

exactly, the interaction there will make/break it

also will have a nice interaction w/ DS

since more 2-rolls means less rerolling, which increases the relative value of DS

[lusty grotto]

now that i think about it

i dont think blizzard is making enough options for that neck slot

like it seems everyone and their moms will go the whole random dps cd thing

idk

[austere oar]

Quick ppl are complaining about pruning

add generic spells for each roles

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's the other thing

outlaw does AR, arms does bladestorm? what the fuck kind of logic is that

[austere oar]

Prot does avatar

Lmao

Whereas every other tanks has it on defensives

[modern brook]

Pallys got wings

🤷

[lusty grotto]

you would think they would have arms get CS/Warbreaker

[austere oar]

Kinda mixed

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel Fuck this kills the man

[lusty grotto]

did they forget the dps cds for Arms or something?

[modern brook]

CS isnt really a cd though

[lusty grotto]

CS is a cd this expansion

[modern brook]

in the sense that its like

[sick sentinel]

we got a 14 sec over

and a 4 sec over

today

[oblique garnet]

2 people died

[modern brook]

idk how to explain what im tihnkingb

[oblique garnet]

on last boss

[modern brook]

but it makes sense to me that they went BS >CS

[lusty grotto]

i mean its 45seconds but

[oblique garnet]

we would have timed it

[lusty grotto]

it is arms' cd

since there's no battlecry

[austere oar]

That's why I like fury better

For the feeling of using an offensive

[lusty grotto]

😦

[austere oar]

You know your character gets angry when you press Recklessness

[lusty grotto]

Furries

[modern brook]

Thats what i mean i think

Like Vision of perfection gives YOU a buff

where as CS is about what YOU do to SOMEONES skull

[lusty grotto]

OK I think I see what you're saying

[modern brook]

vend being an exception because its literally the only option

And they cant have the essence work of talented CD's like avatar

[sand egret]

@lusty grotto , CS requires a target

😃

what if it procs when you have no target? just gonna CS the air?

[red dock]

405 Jes Howler vs Rezans Gleaming Eye vs 420 Gore Crusted Butchers Block

[neon tangle]

what ilvl for rezans

[red dock]

405

[neon tangle]

Are those your only 3?

[red dock]

a 385 RAGE and 410 Merekthas Fang

[neon tangle]

I'd prolly go block + rezans

[red dock]

I only do M+

[warm plinth]

If it had been me asking, I would have replied "no, but those are the only 3 with leech" 😂

[red dock]

lol

Alright, ty thats what I thought

[warm plinth]

I agree with the box that is sad

[scarlet basalt]

Hey guys in general is shimmer heaven or Elemental Whirl better

Just got these from my 415 piece

[warm plinth]

Whirl

[scarlet basalt]

Even for raid?

[red dock]

I did just realize I have a 410 butcher block with leech. That wouldnt beat a 420 though right?

[warm plinth]

no

Even for raids Christian

[delicate urchin]

rezan or alchemist for surv?

[warm plinth]

What ilevel rezan?

[delicate urchin]

410

[warm plinth]

I'd take rezan regardless of purpose in that case

[austere oar]

Rezan

[delicate urchin]

k, thx

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel atal +22

NotLikeThis

[sick sentinel]

this?

[oblique garnet]

no man

we got one

right now

[sick sentinel]

I know it was a joke

go do it lmao

[oblique garnet]

i hate yazma

[sick sentinel]

do you have casters?

[oblique garnet]

yes

[sick sentinel]

what caster?

[oblique garnet]

ele shaman bm hunter

[sick sentinel]

bm hunter doesn't count

[merry ferry]

Does anyone know if spell reflect on the first boss of temple will block all 3 cyclones, or just 1 of the three?

[shadow wind]

impassive visage or resounding protection?

[sick sentinel]

iv

[shadow wind]

thanls

thanks*

[sick sentinel]

@merry ferry all

[merry ferry]

Thanks!

[jovial haven]

rolled for a 415 helm to get my 3rd BoM got DC and BS

[sick sentinel]

BS 🤢

[jovial haven]

yea and my shoulders are BoM and BS or CR fml

try again in 2 weeks

debating on keeping my 415 engi helm, not sure thought

though*

[sick sentinel]

keep wtf

I prefer 2BoM+ eng helm

over 3 bom

just my opinion though

[meager blade]

I have 3 405 helms, Crown of bloody succession, tempered jade and glaciercrest. currently using jade for the gemhide. is that the best route?

[jovial haven]

well I will have 2 BoM either way

either helm I use i have 2BoM 2DC, both helms have OP on them

[sick sentinel]

@meager blade mplus or raids

[meager blade]

raids

[jovial haven]

the only reason thinking about scrapping engi helm is to make the 415 alch trinket

[sick sentinel]

I will suppose you have DC somewhere else on your gear

and tell you to wear crown

[meager blade]

DC is on shoulders

[sick sentinel]

BFI/IF/BS/IV

[meager blade]

hate to be that guy but the letterism are new to me

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel Deplete but then we timed the 21 :/

choked on rezan

got hit by volcanic and died to the bleed xD

[lusty grotto]

BFI = brace for impact, IF = iron fortress, BS = bloodsport, IV = impassive visage

[meager blade]

thank you

[jovial haven]

415 engi helm or 415 helm with DC(2nd)? if i scrap engi helm i can make 415 alch trinket to replace 400 diamond. should i or no?

[meager blade]

Gem hide worth going for if I lose out on IF?

[oblique garnet]

`?

What other trait you have

if youre changing IF into something?

[meager blade]

1 helm has IF the other has gemhide. tempered jade for crown

[exotic spoke]

And is it for m+ or raids?

[meager blade]

raid

[rose moat]

What can be SR on Jaina fight?

[exotic spoke]

Check the pins mcfat

[rose moat]

Thanks ❤

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much just the debuff dr

and siegebreaker blast

[lusty grotto]

you can't reflect anything, it's just damage reduction for any magical dots/debuffs - to be clear

[rose moat]

Cause im having a hard time with the bitch, I got clapped twice

in like 2 seconds

[oblique garnet]

shield block

[lusty grotto]

^

[oblique garnet]

use it

you wont get clapped

[rose moat]

I do, but what do you do if they are on CD

I use SW for TW

[lusty grotto]

press last stand

[oblique garnet]

then you go last stand

[lusty grotto]

bolster is a thing

[rose moat]

And last stand when i get low + crucible trink

[lusty grotto]

NO

you last stand to cover SB gaps

read your bolster talent

[exotic spoke]

Last stand is part of our active mitigation rotation

[rose moat]

Okay then I just have been retarded

[oblique garnet]

Yes this is true

[rose moat]

Thank you very much ❤ and sorry for wasting your time xD

[oblique garnet]

: )

[lusty grotto]

just make sure to read your talents next time 😃

[rose moat]

Switched like a month ago from monk and still struggeling with some things xD

[lusty grotto]

also keep demo up

because demo reduces ALL damage

[rose moat]

Yea I have been saving my SB's and demo for when I start tanking her

Not sure if that is the correct way to do it

Normally I use demo off CD to blast more dmg in and keep rotating at least one SB

But for jaina it felt like it would be nice to keep everything for when I actually start taking the shards to the face

[jovial haven]

i haven't tanked Jaina, but shouldn't you always keep demo up on her, even if not actively tanking her

[lusty grotto]

i think you could benefit from reading the icy veins guide

it has priority/rotational tips

its also linked in #268491842637660160

but offhand i will remind you

AM is our last talent

that means

you really shouldn't hold any CDs

unless if, you know, you for sure know you will be tanking after a short amount of time

[jovial haven]

would you use engi helm 415 or 415 helm with DC/bs/op/iv and make a 415 alch trinket @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

i think people have said engi helm is better

or at least competitive enough with any helm out there, so you wouldn't need to replace

[jovial haven]

yea kaege did, but wanted to grab your opinion too

[lusty grotto]

im not an engineer in game only in RL 😛

[jovial haven]

i gambled to try to get a 3rd BoM but rng hated me

[lusty grotto]

im a pleb blacksmith

btw, i was originally engineering in vanilla

but swapped to BS in TBC and have stayed as is since

[jovial haven]

was kind of hoping the gambled piece would net me the ability to get make the 415 alch trinket but sadly looks like no

BS used to be good lol

[oblique garnet]

Engi helm over the other one

[exotic spoke]

Blacksmithing for life!

[lusty grotto]

ahh stormherald

[exotic spoke]

I’m not getting rid of that. I fucked up though and was axesmith so I never go to wield a rogue

[jovial haven]

thanks @sick sentinel @lusty grotto and @oblique garnet for your input

[lusty grotto]

yeah i dont reroll and that applies to professions, except for that one time

[exotic spoke]

Now I have so many old patterns and shit you can’t get any more I refuse to drop it

[jovial haven]

guess i now have a 415 fury helm lol

[lusty grotto]

hehe

thanks for reminding me im gonna throw it all on the expulsom machine

[jovial haven]

159 more breaths and can make the 415 alch trink, here's hoping i find a good pug this week

[exotic spoke]

I wonder if I should make that.

[jovial haven]

biggest reason i'm making it is cus my other trinket is 400 diamond, and although it is good, it's only 400

[exotic spoke]

I have options at 410 - 415 but yeah

Still debating

[sick sentinel]

Yo I ain't seeing no ss of peoples shit from there chest, run yo shits POYO let's see what y'all got

IDGAF if it's another ring I want then screenshots poyo

[wooden radish]

thoughts on Blood Rite in M+?

[oblique garnet]

pretty much decent on explosive weeks

[exotic spoke]

POYO, I haven’t opened mine yet. Still at work

[jovial haven]

i got 415 block @sick sentinel

[spice ferry]

Opened 4 chests, got one upgrade

[jovial haven]

opened 4 chests got 4 upgrades

last week went 5/5 and this week 4/4

[strong forum]

Lul.. Nilsson has fucking 500 leech / 12.5% and with that like 14k HPs in m+ fucking gigakek

Overall that is

That's actually insane

[sick sentinel]

Now he can invest in sporepods/heal trinket

[reef mauve]

where can i find what trinkets i should be aiming for? i have been using wowhead for now

[strong forum]

Na thats bad idea, defensive trinkets are shit

Go check icy veins @reef mauve

[sick sentinel]

Ur right it is shit

Just like leech

But hey if he wants to play a bdk without playing one, he HAS to go those two trinkets

[strong forum]

im powerful now

thing is poyo, hes 3.5k score so he must be doing something right, however you dont need it

i have ascended

[undone sun]

😡

[strong forum]

only had to drop 2ilvl :pepega:

[stark sage]

5000iq

[strong forum]

definetely gonna meme around on teeming fort with that

and see how much hps i can push with this + vampiric speed and impassive visage

legion here i come

[sand egret]

I see its time for Tuesday Leech memes

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern loves leech memes

[shut summit]

😴

[strong forum]

:pepega:

[oblique garnet]

Nilsson is a nub :^)

[lusty grotto]

Lmao

[strong forum]

I used to have better logs than him :)

[mortal brook]

🗞

[neon tangle]

@outer dew moar bear buffs

[sand egret]

meh buffs 😦

[mortal brook]

useless buffs. 8 stack ironfur instead of 6? armor cap is at 4~5

[undone sun]

well

[sand egret]

it's less a buff, and more most likely in anticipation of lesser gear levels reaching higher stacks with the increased rage generation

seems to be a change geared towards our rage gen and less about actually stacking it in a purposeful manner

[neon tangle]

@mortal brook I'm more looking at the frenzied regen buff

[sand egret]

since as you said, we hit that pretty fast

[neon tangle]

40 -> 30 rage for the same healing

[undone sun]

it is a meaningless change, because getting to 6 prior was very niche and unconventional

but armor cap isn't really that important to it

https://i.imgur.com/IuAyGmY.png

[mortal brook]

until armor cap, the rage is still best spent on ironfur, except like, post combat bursting tho?

[empty inlet]

solution dont play guardian druid

[mortal brook]

not play bear? and do what next tier, have 70% avatar uptime instead? pfft

[warm plinth]

I think it's a decision like any other tank. If you're surviving the situation, you can choose to use rage on the offensive choice vs the defensive choice. Similar to a prot war using rage on Revenge vs IP (though obviously IP has a realistically hittable cap and IF doesn't, you don't need to hit armor cap as Thyme said)

[empty inlet]

imagine if lipkiss played a real tank 😃

[sand egret]

imagine if people didn't troll 😃

[lusty grotto]

time for the chest of disappointments

what will it be though

[sand egret]

i'm 0/4

[torn sleet]

Is iLvl > traits? Got a 420 helm that has iron fortress and blood sport. Or should I just use my 405 helm which has bastion and DC?

[sand egret]

including a token roll that gave me t he same damn fail roll as last time

[torn sleet]

Also brace for impact or iron fortress?

[mortal brook]

IF not bad at all for m+

[sand egret]

yes @torn sleet

[mortal brook]

BFI raid, IF m+

[sand egret]

and i'd take BFI in both

[lusty grotto]

interestingly enough i got something i have never gotten before...

bracers

JK i get bracers every week

[sand egret]

loool

[torn sleet]

Thanks

[outer dew]

@neon tangle link

[neon tangle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=291505/ptr-class-and-azerite-essence-changes-death-knight-guardian-vengeance?webhook/ptr-class-and-azerite-essence-changes-death-knight-guardian-vengeance

[sand egret]

there not really anything Tofu

[mortal brook]

I got a 55 ilvl upgrade on my baby tankadin 😄

[lusty grotto]

whoo boy

[neon tangle]

just a reduction on the new frenzied regen cost

40 -> 30 rage

[warm plinth]

Nimchip confirmed fireproof

[neon tangle]

for the variable-extra-healing thing

[outer dew]

Ironfur now has a maximum of 8 stacks (was 6 stacks).

LMAO

this is a meme and a half

[warm plinth]

The Soul Cleave change for Vengeance is the real meme

[sand egret]

big deeps

all the deeps

such deeps

[neon tangle]

how much of their overall is that?

[outer dew]

and bladesong

[lusty grotto]

time to check my rogue

[outer dew]

you ready

[warm plinth]

Like 5%?

[outer dew]

for the dps god?

[sand egret]

BRUH

[outer dew]

of a bear

????

[sand egret]

gtfo

i got fucking boots

[outer dew]

425 crit/mastery ring last week

and now 420 galecallers

game's telling me to get back on bear

lmao

[sand egret]

i did get a vers/mast ring tho

so i'm happy with that

[neon tangle]

@outer dew I tried making an outlaw rogue but the game is telling me to play sin/sub instead

[sand egret]

last time I checked Ghash it was around that. It's laughable

[outer dew]

LOL

[neon tangle]

2x mastery 425 titanforges in a week

[outer dew]

just play sin

sin with 3x echo

is pretty nutty

spam fan of knives in ST too

bless

[warm plinth]

Yeah, as the person who replied to the post put it,

[sand egret]

eh, this is still the iterative balance process. It just never happens as fast as players want it

still leads me to believe they wanna pull something funky with Soul Cleave

[warm plinth]

Nah but it's always a bit discouraging to see them going in a completely wrong direction

Yeah that's what I've been saying. They're trying to make it so we want to press it more

[sand egret]

well first you buff the numbers on its base

[warm plinth]

Like they want Soul Cleave to be a central part of the rotation.

[sand egret]

see how that plays out on the PTR, farm some data and move

[warm plinth]

Instead of just the button we press to make that bar under our health go down

[lusty grotto]

the iterative process clearly doesn't work for blizzard

[sand egret]

game's been around for more than a decade

i'd say that's prob not ture

true*

like I said, never happens as fast as players want it

[outer dew]

wait

you know blade

i actually though galecallers

might be too memey

but in hindsight

it could be legit for bear

[sand egret]

it's dope

[outer dew]

LMAO

got the haste for mad deeps

and then the speed

when i got to nope out

LMAO

[sand egret]

I think it may allow you to get to the Thrash > Swipe rotation

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure the iterative process with blizz is:

1. change X from Y class
2. Buff/Nerf
3. Eliminate X completely
4. Re-add X
   and repeat

[outer dew]

i might actually become an insane pumper

[sand egret]

instead of Thrash > Swipe x2

[undone sun]

pumper tofu

[sand egret]

mentally unsound pumper tofu

[lusty grotto]

sad pants are sad

poor rogue

nimchy has suffered from nimchip's chest curse

[outer dew]

bruh

all the rage gen

HNNNNG

fuck it

bear main now boys

telling my guild

i'll only raid as bear

[lusty grotto]

🗞

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto pants pm incoming

[outer dew]

dude

[mortal brook]

🗞 🐻

[outer dew]

his pants

aren't the disgustintg thing

his fucking trinket

is actually disgusting

[lusty grotto]

lmao sadbox

[neon tangle]

I need some fucking daggers

[outer dew]

DID

YOU SEE

HIS TRINKET

[lusty grotto]

i need any weapon 😦

[outer dew]

????

[lusty grotto]

yes i did

[outer dew]

can can you dagger mainhand

and mace off hand?

as a sin?

[sand egret]

pretty sure you need both

[lusty grotto]

ahem https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/black-dragonflight/nimchy

[outer dew]

i knoutlaw

can mace main and dagger off

[lusty grotto]

nimchy is a baby outlaw

no daggers

[warm plinth]

tfw no chip in the name

[neon tangle]

I tried that

[warm plinth]

That's horseshit

[neon tangle]

and now all I have is mastery

[sand egret]

i'm a little disappointed

[lusty grotto]

:p

[sand egret]

doesn't even mog Stewart

[warm plinth]

Ikr, the fuck

[lusty grotto]

you're right

[sand egret]

fucking useless

[lusty grotto]

ally rogue though

not worthy of stewart

[warm plinth]

Stewart sitting there in the pfp like bruh

[sand egret]

I hope Trevor fcuks your shit up

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sand egret]

disrespecting his boy, Stew

[warm plinth]

Wait who tf is Trevor

[lusty grotto]

oh no

[sand egret]

Ah shit, here we go again.

Trevor is the name of the Deadliest Critter in WoW

[warm plinth]

Oh, that Trevor

[sand egret]

yes. Him

[lusty grotto]

its the only trevor !

wait shit how do i get the thunderfury appearance

[sand egret]

it's the hidden one

[lusty grotto]

ooooo

[warm plinth]

I think it's an item from Vault and an item from...HoV?

[lusty grotto]

slowly making my rogue be like every rogue in WoW

[sand egret]

as for specifics, I got nothing

just be OG and mog dual Maldath's

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto I love my rogues mog

embrace the outlaw

[lusty grotto]

fuck i gotta farm tfury on my rogue now

well bindings

[warm plinth]

I want someone to make a dual wield Muramasa xmog

[lusty grotto]

goddamn it

[sand egret]

took me 4 years to get both of mine

[warm plinth]

I love that sword

[sand egret]

GL

[lusty grotto]

To complete the quest you will need both bindings and [Infernal Brimstone]x10

son of a bitch..

[undone sun]

🤣

[sand egret]

hold up....is that bindings part BoA?

[lusty grotto]

i mean why didnt they make it like DH's and any char could have them

wait shit

[sand egret]

or does_that_ rogue need to have them

[lusty grotto]

its the bindings not the tfury

[warm plinth]

Oh it's Nelth and Vault. I actually knew that. Btw you can skip to the last boss of Nelth's

Without having to clear each time, if you didn't know

[lusty grotto]

oh

OH

its not the old bindings

WHEW

[sand egret]

lol

[warm plinth]

yeah it's new bindings, from Nelth and Vault

[sand egret]

imagine the rage

[lusty grotto]

i was sweating bricks

[warm plinth]

Dargrul and Ashgolm

[umbral forge]

wait

@oblique garnet @sick sentinel did my first 18 lads.
6 seconds over time T.T

[warm plinth]

😢

[umbral forge]

Tank links key
Tank links route
He and his friend doesn't stick to route
😕

[neon tangle]

what key was it?

[warm plinth]

lol

[umbral forge]

Tol Dagor. Should have been free.

[neon tangle]

sounds like me

[warm plinth]

Probably linked non-teeming route

[umbral forge]

No no

I'm EU

[warm plinth]

Oh

Right

[neon tangle]

what's it like living in the past

[umbral forge]

You know when you hungry and you ate food and you still hungry

[orchid token]

guys this is it we're not longer the dominant dps tank

vengeance buffed to OP

its done

hand in ur shields

[warm plinth]

Lolol

[umbral forge]

@orchid token my friend
You seen this yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvvZaBf9QQI

[orchid token]

have it open in one of my tabs havent watched it yet

[umbral forge]

I'm gonna get a lot of hate

but I'm more stoked for this than Detective Pikachu

[lusty grotto]

i would say that's expected of you jettom

nightborne male

[neon tangle]

@umbral forge chris-chan is gonna be PISSEd

SONICS ARMS ARE NOT BLUE

[lusty grotto]

also no gloves

[neon tangle]

boycott plz

[lusty grotto]

jettom talking shit about my boy detective pikachu

[neon tangle]

is chris-chan still alive?

I haven't thought about that dude in years

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea who that is

but i assume its some anime nerd

that has a body pillow

[neon tangle]

so, so much more

[lusty grotto]

gotcha

[neon tangle]

just like, a prolific crazy dude who the internet obsessed about for many years

a true lulcow

[warm plinth]

That actually looks like it could be good. It is super weird that they made his arms blue though.

[umbral forge]

@lusty grotto I'll show you soon

watching the trailer with 19 people in watch2gether

to build hype

[lusty grotto]

Good fucking lord jettom

Do you like pickles too?

[umbral forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvJa1xyE-4
@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

Did you enjoy the avatar motion picture that doesn't exist

Ehh this doesn't seem funny :x

Poor dude

[dire nacelle]

hi guys, socket has how much i lvl value as war prot on an item as belt

[lament mantle]

400 Knot, Prism, and Sporepod. I'm tore between what 2 I want to you. Mainly for M+

[umbral forge]

@lusty grotto No I have standards.
It just so happen that Jim Carrey portraying a batshit crazy scientist in a hyper fantasy modern fiction falls RIGHT into my standards.

[lament mantle]

Want to use, christ.

[lusty grotto]

Did you just mention sporepod

[lament mantle]

I'm new to tanking D:

[neon tangle]

@lament mantle very easy answer, knot+prism

sporepods bad

[lament mantle]

Yikes, my bad guys.

Thanks for the quick response!

[umbral forge]

@dire nacelle
It depends I don't actually know. Like 5.

[lusty grotto]

Jim Carrey as Jim Carrey, pretty much

[neon tangle]

@lament mantle Just to make sure, do you have any other trinkets you're not including?

[umbral forge]

Jim Carrey could star in a horrible real life Sonic movie with a humanized furry version of Sonic and the potential fear of a humanized furry Amy
And I'd still consume that movie like water. I fucking love the guy.

[lusty grotto]

But after the fact that he married a anti vac'er

[celest gate]

Vaccines cause autism

[lusty grotto]

Yikes

[umbral forge]

mate

[celest gate]

wth

[umbral forge]

this might be an European concept

[lusty grotto]

Ohno

Rip tooderp

He dead

[celest gate]

I've gone full derp

[neon tangle]

He must have caught the autism

[umbral forge]

But I honestly couldn't care less about the persona life of actors.
"Oh no this guy rapes puppies"
Yeah but he makes me laugh so w/e.

[lusty grotto]

Someone call an ambulance

Nah dude I so like Jim carrey

[celest gate]

3rd IF or bloodsport?

[lusty grotto]

But this movie idk

[celest gate]

team help

[umbral forge]

I think I'd go 3rd IF

[lusty grotto]

i would suggest vaccination so you do not become a walking biological weapon :p

[celest gate]

I ain't gotten non dem vaccine diseases and i'm autism free

[umbral forge]

If I got a kid I wouldn't vaccinate them.
It would be my apology to them for bringing them to this world.

[lusty grotto]

holy fuck this video is 38 mins long

[umbral forge]

dark jokes aside

vaccinate your children

[outer dew]

@sand egret i imeditely

regret playing my bear

LMAO

[umbral forge]

oh no TOfu

[lusty grotto]

im confused

is chris chan pat?

[sand egret]

?

[lusty grotto]

i want to word this in a way that it doesn't offend anyone

[outer dew]

a pull

which i would never die on my warrior

i fell instantly over

on my bear

[sand egret]

welcome to not having block

[outer dew]

LMAO

[sand egret]

fort is a big swing =/

esp the higher the key, the higher the compounding scaling of fort

[lusty grotto]

excuse me i still have a question about this person

[tepid raptor]

What is proper stat priority for prots?

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160

icy veins guide

[sick sentinel]

I was ponged

not even timing your first ever smh my head @umbral forge

[umbral forge]

Mate

Kaeg

The fucking Tank

To quote my healer

"This tank is the worst I have seen oh my God"

"DOES HE NOT USE SHIELD BLOCK"

[exotic spoke]

Indestructible shield from first boss... Awww fuck yeah

[umbral forge]

"how is he taking so much damage"

[rain ibex]

but... does he clap? 😄

[sick sentinel]

why would you need shieldblock if you can have 3x DC

and clap them

[lusty grotto]

😢

[sick sentinel]

you get like

a full set of leech

3dc 3bom

and siphoning

easy

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[potent anvil]

another week, no mythic diamond trinket 😞

[sick sentinel]

hey des

did you do the WCM pull last week

with raal?

[lusty grotto]

you guys ready

[sick sentinel]

whole room+boss+reaping afterwards

[lusty grotto]

im gonna roll helm

@oblique garnet

i believe!

[sick sentinel]

imagine rolling for a helm when there is the eng helm in the game

[lusty grotto]

gtfo im not rerolling professions

[sick sentinel]

yeah man jk lmao

[potent anvil]

yeah i did kaege

i +2, 2 20's doing it lol

[lusty grotto]

just so im clear, whats the BiS fury helm

[potent anvil]

top right start both times though, feelsbad

[sick sentinel]

I tried to do it in a +20

and I didn;t charge the boss

and we died to consume all

[potent anvil]

@lusty grotto depends on your chest piece, but abyssal malevolence

[lusty grotto]

goddamn it

are you serious lol

[potent anvil]

yeah

[umbral forge]

kraken

[lusty grotto]

alright lets have a go

FUCK

[sick sentinel]

LOL

[umbral forge]

HAH

[lusty grotto]

ok lets try again

😮

I BELIEVED

gottem

only 2 rolls 😃

[warm plinth]

inb4 he lied to you about which one was BiS

[lusty grotto]

no

i mean i asked in case i needed to save something

abyssal is what i wanted anyway

hmm so im guessing IV

over IP

[umbral forge]

https://i.imgur.com/SeT4SV4.png
;___;

[lusty grotto]

whats going on here

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent anvil]

raptor king is the other really good fury helm. assuming c'thraxxi shoulders, you can raptor king + rasta chest. or abyssal + stormwall chest

[lusty grotto]

i recognize some of those spanish words

oh really

[potent anvil]

yeah both combinations are good

abyssal + stormwall is the best though

[lusty grotto]

i guess ill just shred the shit out of the 2 seabrawlers i have

oh its timewalking week

[warm plinth]

Panda TW 🤢

[lusty grotto]

i think im ok now with azerite

could try to get ashvane's for chest

but abyssal + kraken shell + champs chest is good enough for me

[torn sleet]

Gemhide or impassive visage?

[warm plinth]

I usually choose Impassive Visage if it's there

[umbral forge]

Same it's so much healing.

[torn sleet]

Ty

[potent anvil]

i personally like gemhide for m+, but either works since they're both strong traits.

[sick sentinel]

i410+socket with more haste or i415 no socket less haste

[lusty grotto]

you're missing some key words there

i.e. what piece is this

because if its either shield or weapon, 415

otherwise 410

not because of the haste though

lmao

[warm plinth]

I have 11 120s and every single one of them is talented properly. What's his excuse?

[whole hollow]

he plays what he wants, how he wants

[warm plinth]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

he tried to get agro of this island mega pull

tried

he taunted something off and got 1 shotted 😦

[drowsy relic]

is 3 DC 3 BOM the meta for high M+ atm?

or are people running bloodsports and IF as well?

[distant crystal]

3DC is meme

3 BoM is required tho

[drowsy relic]

i thought 3DC was just to meet damage checks in fights

[lusty grotto]

3 DC is a meme

he said so

[distant crystal]

that said i was memin last week

[drowsy relic]

what about alchemist stone, how strong is that compared to bwomsamdis or the new raid trinket?

[lusty grotto]

3 BoM + (IF/MS) + DC is great defensively

alchemist stone is one of our recommended trinkets

bloodsport is for terribad leechers

(but could be useful in ML for example)

[distant crystal]

i want to build a 3BS 3RF set

just for rixxa+

[potent anvil]

if you wanted to go defensive for high keys, 3 bom + 2 IF/BS + 1 dc. if you're aiming for dps, worry more about what would give you more ST than aoe.

[distant crystal]

she was melting me hard last week

[potent anvil]

probably need to run diamond and bloodsport probably. i did a 22 last week (missed by a mere 4s) but only ran 1 bloodsport. was fine for the most part.
could always talent swap to never surrender, but the healer is still gonna put as many GCDs into you regardless. just makes you slightly less spiky.

[distant crystal]

it didn't help that the dps seemed to always reposition themselves to make her never clean up the platform

[drowsy relic]

does anyone know why the rank 1 prot war runs 3 bom 3 dc?

is it cause defensive traits arent necessary for m+?

[distant crystal]

he runs different traits

in different situations

most likely

[undone sun]

for damage output

it's that defensives aren't entirely needed

[lusty grotto]

defensive traits ARE needed for M+

last week was just easy as fuck

[distant crystal]

also 3 DC increases the effectiveness of his siphoning enchant

[lusty grotto]

😡

[warm plinth]

This conversation is hurting me

[potent anvil]

you can get by without defensive traits tbh. proper play can make up for being a mongo. like kiting 😬

if you watch rads, he kites quite a bit

[distant crystal]

it helps a lot if you're running with really good dps and healer

who don't stand in bad

and if you're also mechanically great, and also don't stand in bad

[lusty grotto]

yikes man

why we gotta mention "kiting" and "leech"

and "siphoning"

poor lurkers will get confused

[warm plinth]

Nim can I just make you address all these in perpetuity? I can just pretend they don't exist if I know you're raging at them already.

🙃

[lusty grotto]

yes

ahem

[warm plinth]

I'll let you say something in response, then I'll just throw in a

And I'll feel better

[lusty grotto]

prot warriors don't kite, and we are not budget BDKs so therefore leech/siphoning can fuck right off

😉

[warm plinth]

See, I feel great

[lusty grotto]

ahem, and if you're following whatever "top warrior" does, you have to understand that 1. things change run by run, 2. you do not have a team like this person does, 3. you're not a 3k player or whatever the fuck that person is

[potent anvil]

im 422 equipped

[lusty grotto]

i hate you deswind

😦

[potent anvil]

[lusty grotto]

me weapons 😦

me weapons and me trinkets holding me down

[potent anvil]

i lost a roll on a 420 shield from champs to a hpal 😞

[distant crystal]

i'm 418 in bags 😤

[lusty grotto]

y u do dis

shit im only 416 in bags

[distant crystal]

i got 420 champ gloves to replace 415 socket champs gloves

and i hate em

[lusty grotto]

uhh

use the socket

[potent anvil]

I have 6 425's. Just need a few more 🤔

[distant crystal]

i have 2

[lusty grotto]

i guess i used my luck on that 2nd helm roll

[distant crystal]

but 1 of them has a socket

and neither of them have haste

:|

[lusty grotto]

wait what

champs gloves are crit/haste

[distant crystal]

talkin bout 425s :p

i got a socket grong cape

[lusty grotto]

oh

[distant crystal]

and a non-socket crit/vers wrist

[lusty grotto]

425 socket grong cape? what the fuck

[distant crystal]

no leech tho 😦

[lusty grotto]

and you complain about haste? 🤔

ADAUIHDSUIHAUIDHHAHDUAIH

[distant crystal]

lol

[lusty grotto]

fell right into that one goddamn

[distant crystal]

i mean i was still glad i got the drop but

why couldn't it be the boe

[warm plinth]

Oh god I thought Nim said that for a second

[distant crystal]

or something

[warm plinth]

I was literally tearing up

[sick sentinel]

Final-fucking-ly

[warm plinth]

I think you meant "Poyo"

[drowsy relic]

what stats should I be prioritising in m+?

[sick sentinel]

Got my damn weapon

[drowsy relic]

its crit haste in mdi but what do people do in high M+

[sick sentinel]

Crit haste is correct

[distant crystal]

crit haste

[warm plinth]

It's not crit/haste in the MDI

[distant crystal]

or whatever you can get your hands on

[warm plinth]

They have the luxury of choosing secondaries because their gear is all the same item level.

[sick sentinel]

Oh yea

You should be going Leech gear with sporepods and bandages

forgot

Poyo

[lusty grotto]

i hate you poyo

jk gz

😃

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[drowsy relic]

where does leech go in the priority list for secondaries?

[warm plinth]

On live, you take whatever provides the highest item level because more stats is generally better than certain stats. If you're focused on M+, then with similar ilevel pieces you take the one with haste or if both have haste, the one with crit as the other secondary.

It's not a secondary, so nowhere.

[lusty grotto]

OH NO YOU DIDNT

[sick sentinel]

Lol

Ive corrupted the child

[lusty grotto]

listen

[warm plinth]

Leech is a tertiary and has zero value.

[lusty grotto]

i recognize this name

[warm plinth]

As far as making item decisions

[lusty grotto]

youre not making a fool of me

[distant crystal]

i mean, leech has to have some value

[lusty grotto]

Shawrus

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto knows my rogue is the king of 425s

[sick sentinel]

It has as much value as the shit in my toliet

[lusty grotto]

i knew there was something wrong

unless theres more than 1 Shawrus

almost had me

almost

[drowsy relic]

rip

but memes aside, i was watching nerfclap's stream

he mentioned dropping ilvls on his ring to wear leech gear

[lusty grotto]

stop youll summon lalaisland

[warm plinth]

If I had the exact same stats on two different items at the same ilevel, and one had leech, I'd use the one without leech because fuck you leech memers

[lusty grotto]

cause lord knows if a streamer/mdi player is mentioned, the #1 skyhold cane polishers come out

[warm plinth]

❤

[lusty grotto]

i should have said fluffers but, cane polisher also works

[drowsy relic]

if I wanted the strongest IPs would I prioritise vers or mastery?

largest*

[lusty grotto]

you would prioritize going back in time and playing legion pre-nerf

naturally

[warm plinth]

Yes, where you could stack it 3x like a bigboi

[undone sun]

😭

[warm plinth]

See what you did Shawrus, you made Thyme sad

[undone sun]

mastery is theoretically better for IP scaling because of AP, but you really don't chose based on that

it's not a smart move

[orchid token]

versatility affects victory rush dont forget

[warm plinth]

lul

I stack vers for that very reason. PHAT VRs

And then I spec Impendi--

Almost went full meme

[junior ivy]

@warm plinth did you see my wow cups

[warm plinth]

I did, pretty sweet. And at a bargain!

[lusty grotto]

lmao

i really like this new PUP cd

err "album"

[undone sun]

CD

what year is it

[lusty grotto]

im sowwy

my ancientness slipped out

[mortal brook]

just get it on 8 track

[lusty grotto]

yikes i feel old just saying cd's are old

it was cassettes in my time

[dusky mica]

C90

[warm plinth]

Wait, what

How old are you dude

[lusty grotto]

i feel like we've been through this

[warm plinth]

Probably but I wouldn't consider cassettes to be "in my time" and I'm pretty sure we're similar age lol

Unless by "in my time" you mean when you were like 8

[lusty grotto]

uhh...

let me think

so i got CDs when i was in high school but prior to it, casettes

[dusky mica]

Nimchip is 38

[lusty grotto]

im not that old

[dusky mica]

lies

you also had a 1st gen ipod

[lusty grotto]

nah

my first ipod was a nano

well first and only

cause android masterrace

my first cd was green day nimrod

which btw

is where my nick comes from

[warm plinth]

So in 2001, which is the year I turned 13, only 5% of music sales were cassettes. Obviously my parents still had tapes, but most of the music I bought was on CD (not that I've ever been much of a music buyer, because Napster and Limewire were also "in my time") lol

[dusky mica]

napster eh

[lusty grotto]

the first mp3 i downloaded off napster

[warm plinth]

Yeah, though I think most of my childhood was Morpheus and Limewire actually. I didn't really get into the P2P thing until after Napster was destroyed.

[lusty grotto]

was totally metallica

also misfits after that

[warm plinth]

Isn't Metallica one of the bands that is like ferociously against pirating too 😂

[lusty grotto]

they were THE band that was totally against it

lmao

[warm plinth]

That's funny shit. Great first choice.

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sick sentinel]

any ETA on how long it will be for 8.2?

approx is fine ofc

[undone sun]

2+ months

[hidden seal]

Any prot warrior streamer to follow?

[drowsy relic]

prot warrior isnt that good for high M+ this week tbh

probs prot pally

cause they can control alot adds on a fort teeming week

[umbral forge]

Uhh

What

@lusty grotto Metllica killed Napster.

[slim cosmos]

what amount of haste do you need to be able to TC every other GCD during avatar?

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats what i meant jettom

[slim cosmos]

I got a ring with +10 ilvls and a socket, but it would mean dropping to fairly low haste (1100)

I hated how it felt playing with low enough haste that I couldn't TC every other GCD

[lusty grotto]

1100 is more haste than i have

and i still can TC every other gcd

shrug

[slim cosmos]

great, thanks, that

'll work

[lusty grotto]

that's like 90 more haste than i have

pretty sure you can go lower

ITF brings it up anyway

[slim cosmos]

ITF?

oh into the fray

[orchid token]

Haste affects GCD so haste level should not affect TCing every other

[lusty grotto]

yeah

which is why i found it weird to begin with

cause i was pretty sure i could TC every other GCD when the expansion came out

as a fresh 120

[slim cosmos]

shit, did i totally imagine that as being a thing?

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[undone sun]

it's not a breakpoint one would aim for ¯_(ツ)_/¯

you more or less reach it by playing normally

[honest canopy]

Morning

Nim, what was your first mp3 from napster? Did see the old msg, but clicked do missed it, got curious 😄

[lusty grotto]

metallica

i think one

metallica - one

[umbral forge]

I hate Limewire. Thanks to them I'm known as the Horse fucker.
How was Napster?

[lusty grotto]

i barely used limewire cause of all the trojans there

napster was great

[umbral forge]

I'm like 10 years younger than you so I used Limewire a bit

[lusty grotto]

i used IRC a lot

xdcc in irc

after napster i mean

[minor vapor]

Anyone have tips for tanking mythic jaina?

[umbral forge]

I used Limewire.
Then I used my big brother.
Then my dad taught me about pirate bay after he went to buy me a new game "600 kr?! For a VIDEO GAME?!"
2 years later I turned 10 and my dad bought me wow. "I can combine his pocket money with his birthday money; my son can't figure out the NOK value of 13 dollars I'm a genius"

Hm

I mea

Marok, the Patron saint of Warriors

Is streaming her right now

The guy with the green name

[honest canopy]

IRC

Luve

#Quakenet

Should make a Discordscin look like mIRC

[umbral forge]

@minor vapor yeah you should check out Marok's stream. Maybe ask him a few questiond

[honest canopy]

I was on Kazaa

not limewire

First song downloaded from napster tho, on a 56k modem, was Will Smith - Welcome to Miami

took 15 mins

[warm plinth]

Waiiiit, Marok's name is green?

[undone sun]

...

[warm plinth]

Brb I'm gonna go reevaluate my life

I seriously thought it was orange this entire time.

[undone sun]

🤣

[warm plinth]

God damnit

[minor vapor]

Thanks everyone.

[honest canopy]

That was prutal

Brutal

[warm plinth]

Oh shit I forgot about Kazaa!

[astral crystal]

kazaa lite bois where we at

anyone remember that korn/slipknot/limp bizkit/etc collab song

which wasn't that at all obviously

[stark fox]

Once I get a 415 helmet with BoM on it (just got one tonight) is there any other professions worth swapping Engineering to? I've been using it for the shitty WoD rez and the occasionally brez but it's such a niche thing.

[astral crystal]

to be a teenager again...

[warm plinth]

What's your current other profession?

[lone steppe]

Hey guys... So I can't really decide on my chest azerite traits... can I get some help lol I basically just tank m+ in like a 10 to 15 range...

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qj9aUX4o8VGXkzqhsojqve

basically it's breastplate of arterial protection vs harpooner's plate cuirass

I just did a dps sim to show the traits in an easy way lol

any help would be appreciated 😃

[lusty grotto]

blood rite yuck

go bloodsport and heed my call

[lone steppe]

on the breastplate?

[lusty grotto]

yup

you can go TC on your shoulders

[lone steppe]

ya I just don't like tc lol

[lusty grotto]

ok well DC is fine

[trim bay]

i know this question gets asked 100 times a day but can i pm someone in reference to trinkets. or just send it

[lusty grotto]

go unstable flames on shoulders though

[warm plinth]

Just send em

Yeah Globules sims way better than it actually is, for future reference blarg. It's actually a shit trait.

[lone steppe]

Oh i'm not using gobles

[lusty grotto]

everything else looks good

[lone steppe]

that's azerite veins

[lusty grotto]

yeah fuck veins

[lone steppe]

ya I was sorta def traits

[warm plinth]

Oh, so it is. Still not a good trait though really.

[lone steppe]

cause I dn't trust a lot of my healers lol

run with some bad guildies

so I go a lil more def

[lusty grotto]

go flames either way

[lone steppe]

okay thanks 😃

so would you go bfi or 2nd dc?

ya I just did a 10 FH and I had 60% uptime on bloodrite lol

[lusty grotto]

eh?

none of your pieces have BFI vs DC

[lone steppe]

the chest

peices other options

[lusty grotto]

ah yes outer ring

you can go another BFI

sure

[lone steppe]

well it would be 1st bfi or 2nd dc

[lusty grotto]

keep 1 DC

replace everything else

BFI/Bloodsport/IF for defensiveness

[trim bay]

aight. i got 425 howler, 410 rezan, 400 diamond, 410 idol and a 400 knot. im just a bit confused as what to use for raid and then what to use for m+. i know its not always a perfect solution. cooks me thinking about it. im 414 ilvl so im happy to not use howler

thanks in advance also

[lusty grotto]

keep the 2 BoMs though

[lone steppe]

ya I wish I could have 3 lol

[honest canopy]

I am trying to find a site, wich shows a lot of itemsets etc

[lone steppe]

but I can't keep reforing my fury gear back and fort

[honest canopy]

Its very handy when you want to find different green boe sets

I just cant remember the site, it looks a bit old

[sick sentinel]

400 rezans, 400 socketed Jes, 415 Barnacle

any recommendations which combo

[lusty grotto]

rezans + jes

[honest canopy]

Like warmaul etc. You can easily see how all of them looks, and then just go ham shopping

[warm plinth]

@trim bay I'd probably use Jes and Rezan. Knot is good too but that's 25 ilevels of strength you'd be sacrificing to use Knot over Jes

[lusty grotto]

if you want to push some dps instead, you could go rezans + barnacle shrug @sick sentinel ... but for defensiveness Jes + Rezan

[sick sentinel]

mmk ty

[lusty grotto]

yeah no, he should use Jes ghash

[warm plinth]

Isn't that what I just said Nim, gosh

[lusty grotto]

im agreeing with you

😛

[warm plinth]

❤ you

[lusty grotto]

that idol might be useful though

[warm plinth]

Yeah I was just about to mention the idol. Would be fun to use in M+

That phat heal

Also no one talked about that dude's fucking 425 anchor, jesus

[lusty grotto]

bury the hatchet is so good this week lmao

[warm plinth]

Is that the absorb on VR one?