protection

[umbral forge]

Good morning.

[warm plinth]

👋

[umbral forge]

@trim bay I can confirm as I run dungeons with that nutcase. He does a steady 35k overall.

[warm plinth]

[jagged narwhal]

Geez, and here I feel happy when I can do a solid 17-18 on an average trash pull

Steady that is

[warm plinth]

Probably not pulling big enough

Late only does bigboi pulls

[umbral forge]

Late pulls like 3-4 packs on average. That combined with Demo & avatar = dead

[warm plinth]

If your life isn't in danger, is it even worth doing?

[jagged narwhal]

Well. My Guild very rarely aims to do timed. Just to get our keys done and have fun

[warm plinth]

Nothing wrong with that if it's what you're into

[umbral forge]

Sounds like you need friends to do m+ with

[oblique garnet]

Its only fun if your life is in danger with every pack

Every pull rather

[umbral forge]

It is. Like holy shit that Freehold 10 key.
Speaking of I got nothing but purple and Orange logs when healing yesterday lol. Couldn't have done it without you

Late wanma do keys with me and laugh at my Spriest damage

[oblique garnet]

Could do

[umbral forge]

sweet. I saw my rogue buddy was online as well.

[oblique garnet]

Is this a bait are you trying to get me to tank one shitty key?

[umbral forge]

To be honest I just want to do Shrine but I have no shrine keys on my Priest.
I have a King's Rest 13

[oblique garnet]

So it was a bait

[umbral forge]

asking what he has

[oblique garnet]

Bamboozled all along

[warm plinth]

Just think of it like this: you can pull the whole dungeon in one pull.

ezpc

ezpz*

[umbral forge]

ah he's not up for it

I guess you got bamboozled finger guns

[warm plinth]

Oh hey, Sense race-changed. Only took me like half of this KR to realize.

[umbral forge]

@honest canopy it's okay.

[oblique garnet]

@umbral forge i could do some keys on my dk tho🤔

[umbral forge]

sure after di

lol

tank left cause he pulled the mobs next to Aqua'sirr

[orchid token]

?? does that even matter

why would someone leave over that lol

[umbral forge]

yeah cause Aqua'sirr was active and we wiped

[orchid token]

the miniboss pulled?

[umbral forge]

yeah

[orchid token]

that really shouldnt cause a wipe

[umbral forge]

I agree but I suspect the healing was a bit low.

Cause I keep a healing meter up and the brewmaster tank was competing with the mistweaver

[orchid token]

probably just the group panicking and leading to the wipe that way

people panic and assume a wipe which fulfils the wipe

if they just stayed calm they could have fought thru

[umbral forge]

yeah

oh well. A pug's a pug.

@oblique garnet what key you got on your DK?

[oblique garnet]

Siege

[umbral forge]

Ah

Shit.

[trim bay]

That's insane. I sit on around 20. 35 k average is epic. I too need to pull more haha. Are you running 3 bom 3 dc?

[open bluff]

welp

my warrior is cursed

[trim bay]

@oblique garnet

[willow scarab]

35k average is because you can do absolutely giga pulls this week and with his exp/gear a 15 is like a 0

I think it's unrealistic for you to think you can do 35k average in your own push keys

[orchid token]

yeah a more realistic overall in a more difficult key would be around 28-30

[willow scarab]

20k is low, 25k is fine, 30k is good play

Like if you do a 15 waycrest and do 2 reapings + entire graal room on graal your end numbers are going to be stupid high

But that's just because it's this week and it's a low key

[oblique garnet]

@trim bay yeah full offensive

You can pull everything in raals room with the boss this week ezpz

[trim bay]

Jesus. That's really cool to know.

[ember arrow]

Reminder of better times

[undone sun]

best times

[ember arrow]

i miss you

[oblique garnet]

Legion was a bad expansion change my mind

[undone sun]

at the time, it wasn't amazing

sure

but in hindsight....

[ember arrow]

Classes were fun to play

Then everything else becomes bearable

[undone sun]

"I wish there was a way to know you’re in the good old days before you’ve actually left them"

[oblique garnet]

Classes were simple in legion too

[ember arrow]

I was too busy increasing my hps by 0.1%

To notice flaws in content

[oblique garnet]

It was the artifact that made them fun

[ember arrow]

Yea

[undone sun]

felt much more complete

[ember arrow]

And they took it away

[undone sun]

because of the artifact

yes

but that was a big selling point for legion

[ember arrow]

Playing bfa is like missing half of game files

[oblique garnet]

Looking at past with rose tinted glasses

Early stage of legion was awful

[undone sun]

when you compare it to bfa, legion was great

idd

[ember arrow]

"BuT noW i Got AzeriTe traIt inCrrASe my HP bY 46 Every 10 sec

Instead of stuff like the block trait from legion

[undone sun]

bastion of might :gachigasm:

[ember arrow]

Hell even the active was situationally op

[undone sun]

wait was it really named that similarly

[ember arrow]

I dont member name

Bastion of aspects

Or smt

[undone sun]

yeh yeh

bastion of ___

[ember arrow]

My dk and prot artifacts in my bank

Like half my game is inaccesible

[oblique garnet]

Its so stupid that you cant even get rid of those artifacts

[ember arrow]

Weve been tru alot

Wouldnt want to

[undone sun]

legendaries too right

taking up space

[oblique garnet]

I think you can delete legendariws

Legendaries*

Not sure

[undone sun]

i could check on ptr later

idr either

[oblique garnet]

The prot artifact actually saved me once during timewalking because my shield broke lmao

I hate that bc timewalking doesnt have any kind of ways to getting back to the last boss faster

[undone sun]

simpler times

[oblique garnet]

”Things were good in classic” yeah right imagine doing one dungeon for 6 hours

[undone sun]

hardest pass

classic has almost zero appeal to me

[oblique garnet]

People give alot of shit to lfg but its actually good

I might play it out of boredom

But thats pretty much it

[ember arrow]

Artifact active was op

[undone sun]

when it worked

[ember arrow]

Never had issues

So many runs

Knew dingeons better than my house

[undone sun]

sure, it's good for aoe because a lot of blockable damage

but when most tank abilities worked really well on bosses without having the requirement to be blockable damage

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ember arrow]

Surviving 28tyr trashpite

With 99% dr

Felt good though

Reflecting 20% of boss hp too

Prot had things others couldnt do either

[undone sun]

ofc

[ember arrow]

Block the brh spear dudes

Doing a dungeon in bfa first time

Dying to 3 mobs

After doing 28s in legion

No ty

4% haste

[oblique garnet]

Well levko thats just git gud issues

[umbral forge]

@oblique garnet
I remember first time I did BRD.
Jesus fucking Christ it was dope and epic and everything I ever wanted from a fantasy game back then.

These days I'm older and lack imagination. I just want to press buttons and look good on meters and challenge myself.

So I agree with you here, classic has no real appeal to me.

[oblique garnet]

The early stage of bfa mythic was just not knowing all the dungeon mechanics and once you did they were easy

[ember arrow]

I was git gud

Artificially removing 50% of my class

Was bye bfa

[umbral forge]

@sand condor wanna tank a +13 Tol Dagor?

nevermind found someone

[boreal haven]

Morning ! Playing Prot as Twink and have a Question. In ToS on first Boss, does Spell Reflect works in the “Tornadospell“ , if is casted on myself ? Or only on Grp. Members ?

[umbral forge]

Only on Grp. Members

[undone sun]

ah, you can delete legendaries

neat

[umbral forge]

do not

[old zephyr]

they work in timewalking

[boreal haven]

Thx @umbral forge

[lime mantle]

Best legos for timewalking?

[old zephyr]

i'd say thunderlord

gotta get that sweet rage

other one I don't know

[lime mantle]

You mean 100% scream uptime

[sick sentinel]

I use belt + wrists

so I can pull big

[old zephyr]

yeah manaroth obviously

[lime mantle]

I should farm for manaroth

🤔

So I can crush timewalks

Sad they don’t give HC loot anymore tho

[umbral forge]

Am I the only one who listen to Pumped up Kicks when I do m+

[sand condor]

I listen to dubstep

[umbral forge]

ah

good

you're awake

lets go

[sand condor]

Waot im awake?

[umbral forge]

yeah we're doing keys

[sand condor]

But im@scared i suck too much for our new guild

[umbral forge]

So do keys and practice.

[sand condor]

Who’s joining us

[umbral forge]

Well, there's me.

[sand condor]

Gimme a few minutes

[lime mantle]

I listen to my healer cry I do too much dps

[sand condor]

Thats good

[lime mantle]

Or him cry I don’t do enough

I am confused

[sand condor]

Do lmore damage

[austere oar]

In both cases you need more 👏

[old zephyr]

how can he cry you do too much DPS?

[lime mantle]

Because I do more dps than him so he gets angry

Look don’t ask me what his logic is exactly

[oblique garnet]

@umbral forge When are you getting gud?

[umbral forge]

@oblique garnet
Mate I did 12 keys yesterday and have done 5 today.
If I keep this up I'll git gud soon enough.

[zinc rose]

can we not spell reflect cyclone strike any more?

[stoic pilot]

What all do you get from engineering nowadays, knock back and brez for m+?

[undone sun]

Can't be targeting you @zinc rose

[stoic pilot]

I got a higher ilvl ring and I can finally drop jc so I may actually level engi

[zinc rose]

Yeah it hasnt been :/

[stoic pilot]

Either that or go BS for the pants for xmog

[undone sun]

Jolt might have gone off and ate the SR ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ionic fern]

Sometimes it does weird schenanigans tho where you reflect but it still hits you..something to do with positioning or some schenanigans.

[umbral forge]

@sand condor we've waited for 30 mins

[sand condor]

Let me put on a shirt

[oblique garnet]

Jettom ill tank for you if you find me in orgrimmar

[undone sun]

/Target

[oblique garnet]

Wont help you if you dont know how to get where i was

[undone sun]

Can't imagine that out of reach places, could also use a raid marker to show through walls

[sand condor]

can someome say they are proud of me

plese

[old zephyr]

What is that druid ?

Only 1k8 dps ?

[lime mantle]

Nice healing lol@sctub

[unborn island]

so...how do you guys

make sure you don't jolt away your SR on first boss in ToS

[lime mantle]

I don’t try to deflect the tornado

😹

[limpid kite]

Where can I see how much dmg I spell reflected in details?

Because it didn't show in dmg done

[old zephyr]

substract damage done and taken

the damage you haven't done is what you reflected (most of the time)

[willow scarab]

Have another member interupt the other boss @unborn island

[oblique garnet]

@sand condor yes very scuffed pulls

[sand condor]

I KNOW

[umbral forge]

hahahah

Failure is the path to experience.

[austere oar]

yikes

[oblique garnet]

BiS

[hearty tulip]

Yo lads i got the waist from first boss CoS mythic last night and the effect wont proc for me any tips?

[austere oar]

you went below 25% and it didn't proc ?

[hearty tulip]

Yes

[austere oar]

in combat ?

[hearty tulip]

Yes pulled a few mobs hitting me and got down to 10% hp

still no procc

[austere oar]

you didnt proc it before by accident ?

[hearty tulip]

Nope just logged in since i got it last night

[austere oar]

thus beginning the 3 min CD

well idk then, might be a bug

[brisk ferry]

is it equipped? lol

[hearty tulip]

Oh it doesnt work from bag?

[brisk ferry]

at this point, who knows

[austere oar]

lmao

[brisk ferry]

people swap gear sets all the time, this was a fix to someone's BoM not triggering the other day

worth a shot

[umbral forge]

So @oblique garnet how's my Spriest coming along?

[oblique garnet]

Its ok

[umbral forge]

Sweet

If it went from "You should be doing more damage" to "It's ok" it means I'm improving

That's not to say I'm happy with where I am right now, he needs more polish

[oblique garnet]

Your st damage is lacking

[umbral forge]

Will be fixed when I get the chestpiece from first boss in BoD

I need Whispers of the Damned azerite trait to fix it

[oblique garnet]

Maybe

[umbral forge]

even so, as long as I run 1x TH 3x SD I can't do a lot ST wise

If I run triple SA double Chrous one whispers my ST damage will be magnificent but my AoE damage will be shit. Can't have both as Spriest

[old zephyr]

Gear rarely fix your Damage jet =)

Gotta gît gud

[umbral forge]

Yeah, that's true

I need to get back into it stutter step wise too

[old zephyr]

À good ui also helps

[umbral forge]

I have one

[old zephyr]

One of our rogues gained 5k dps Last night by changing ui

[umbral forge]

Only thing wowanalyzer complained about last time I did Grong was that I didn't arcane torrent so I race changed to Tauren

[old zephyr]

Lol

Switch back to prot and wowanalyser won't say nothing

[umbral forge]

I don't think my Priest can be prot

[shadow timber]

How do you start aoe pull, charge thunder clap revenge?

[strong forum]

Leap TC

Avatar midair or before and start off with leap TC

[wary lantern]

r u guys using the trinket from opu for pushing, or nah?

[oblique garnet]

nah

[wary lantern]

have knot +rezan and wondering if i should farm opu or not lol

[old zephyr]

What's your healer ?

And is je good at dpsing ?

[wary lantern]

r dudu / h priest

depends which one is available

rdudu is good at dpsing

[old zephyr]

If healer does good dps then opu may be worth
If not don't use opu

[tropic star]

would you chargfe-avatator so you have the rage to kick the pull off with block

wouldnt you*

[umbral forge]

@sand condor

[sand condor]

thats me

oh boy

[umbral forge]

we're doing a 10 with the new guild master and an officer

[sand condor]

okay im in

what chat do i go to

[umbral forge]

Vicwar

[sand condor]

i mean as in voicechat

not character

[umbral forge]

I dunno it is intimidating

[sand condor]

true

[umbral forge]

general in absolution

[wary lantern]

is the game tryying to tell me something?

[unborn island]

It's telling you ilvl> all.... because more ilvl = more leech

[wary lantern]

dunno why, but every ilvl upg i get, it have leech too

[jovial haven]

well you will be the leech king then

[lime mantle]

At last! Warrior sustain

Enchant siphoning and ping Mwahi

[wary lantern]

i like my quick nav :/

6% leech and healed only for 1.5mil in TD 16

need more leech

[ionic fern]

🛑

[lime mantle]

Leech is BiS, see nerfclap

Just like, have one of the best teams in the world and absurdly inflated ilvl

[wary lantern]

btw

cracking thunder > bounding stride?

always used stride, but see almost everyone now using cracking

[crisp hearth]

Cracking = easier to cheese

[rugged berry]

which zandalari buff should i take for M+ ?

[crisp hearth]

Stride is safer

[wary lantern]

easier to get packs on me with cracking due to range? and reaping?

[modern brook]

gonk

Its preference re: crack vs stride

crackling helps pick up reaping

stride has niche uses

do it by dungeon if u wanna

[crisp hearth]

Crack is Def better as a tank in m+

[rugged berry]

thx i will try that; was playing bwonsamedi buff

[crisp hearth]

Stride is mostly for raiding confort

[modern brook]

dont actually try that @rugged berry

bwom or paku

paku probably better for m+

Stride has niche uses

regardless of content

[strong forum]

Crackling is better for reaping but on some dungeons I prefer bounding

[modern brook]

bounding lets you leap out of every indegestion

[strong forum]

And for raiding I exclusively take bounding

[wary lantern]

so actually depends on dungeon

[strong forum]

On KR it helps with 3rd boss aswell

[modern brook]

^

Thats what niche means, yeah

[wary lantern]

kay, ty

[modern brook]

any time you need more jumps bounding is good

🤷

that said 90% of the times u need more jumps you should just play better instead

[strong forum]

I ran with bounding forever cuz TC range is huge as it is, but I recently started using crackling on open dungeons where you definitely don't need leaps

[wary lantern]

i take bounding cos it lets me pull more /kite better

[lime mantle]

Stride let’s me get to the last part where we wiped faster

[modern brook]

I take bounding cause im too lazy to change my talents from what they were when i was leveling 🤷

[strong forum]

On atal is good to have bounding for the priest

[crystal dirge]

hey guys! I'm not that big on prot warrior, only recently started, and the 3rd and 4th bosses in ML pretty much destroy me. I don't die but the healer has a tremor in his hands by the time we kill the boss. Do you think it's worth taking Never surrender over Bolster in that instance for higher unblockable dmg mitigation?

[leaden grail]

indegestion? is that the frontal from 2nd boss in underrot? If you just start walking away from the boss just as he is about to cast it you wont get hit

[strong forum]

Never @crystal dirge

[wary lantern]

never never surrender

[strong forum]

Never ever pick anything but bolster

3rd boss has to just be outhealed

And try to reflect the dot

[modern brook]

@crystal dirge in super high keys people are hearthing out and swaping to never surrender after 2nd boss

[strong forum]

I've never heard of that bull 🤔

[wary lantern]

i had to convince my guild mate to take bolster instead of never surrender

[modern brook]

I mean

If you're in a 20+ ml

you're doing the double death skips -> theres only 2 fights after 2nd boss

3rd and 4th bosses

==> nothing to block

[strong forum]

Yea but you won't have a warlock

[modern brook]

==> never surredner is good

[crystal dirge]

I run bolster on pretty much everything, Rixxa is the only boss I have problems on. It was a +18 so not that high, but I was jumping 10-100-10% all the time

[lime mantle]

That sounds like the biggest most hilarious meme @modern brook I will book mark it

[strong forum]

Yea

This

[modern brook]

Honestly just dont take Prot for mother load

you skip like 3 of the reapings anyways

[strong forum]

Prot is pretty much best for 3rd boss though, cuz of the reflect loo

[drowsy salmon]

hi guys, bastion of might is needed only one piece or is better stack 3 of it?

[strong forum]

Just heal

As many as you can groin

[modern brook]

@drowsy salmon the mastery stacks

take that as you will

I'm like 90% the reflect on 3rd boss is a deflect

IDT you transfer the dot onto boss

[drowsy salmon]

ty

[modern brook]

Rixxia is a lot of baiting the dots

and controlling who they go on

[drowsy salmon]

later on, i have 2 pieces that are the same but with different traits and i am confused reading icy veins

[crystal dirge]

Alright, thanks, also there was a question today that I have been trying to answer for some time, which is the m+ aoe start. If I dont start thunder clap, I instantly lose aggro because I don't get tricksed/misdired, but then I don't have block, any work-around for this problem maybe?

[leaden grail]

is there a way to track how much damage spell reflected spells did in a dungeon overall?

[modern brook]

@crystal dirge charge+ ava ->clap->demo -> clap

IF its skittish i delay demo

charge ava ->clap -> revenge -> clap ->demo

[drowsy salmon]

brace+bloodsport+winds of war vs crush + IF + crap traits

[modern brook]

charge ava +clap is 50 rage

you sb there, ava gives you your IP

@drowsy salmon winds of war is pretty crap too

[warm plinth]

Are they the same ilevel Groin?

[crystal dirge]

I see thanks!

[modern brook]

they are ghash he said that earler

[stone cloud]

Can also thrown in a shockwave @crystal dirge to give heals another sec to get casts off ect

And get out another clap or revenge

[drowsy salmon]

yes the same IL

[modern brook]

i mean you really should just be getting tricks'd

[stone cloud]

Don’t need tricks when top DPS tho lol

[drowsy salmon]

winds of war is crap?

[stone cloud]

Yes

[modern brook]

Avoidance is shit

[stone cloud]

It is

Winds is dodge

[drowsy salmon]

is not real this picture?

[stone cloud]

Not to mention a very low amount of dodge

[drowsy salmon]

i can choose within winds, whirl and overwhelming

[warm plinth]

You really don’t choose azerite based on middle ring traits anyway.

[modern brook]

I disagree with Marok's ratings of the inner traits

[strong forum]

It's purely defensive rating

So that's why I disagree with it aswell

[stone cloud]

In that breath I’d take UF > winds in m+

[drowsy salmon]

btw Deafening Crash is a must have?

[strong forum]

Cuz you, by no means, actually need defensive traits

[warm plinth]

The first trait is

[strong forum]

Yes groin, 1 is must have

[remote tusk]

Yes, once

[drowsy salmon]

ok , case solved

ty lol

[warm plinth]

If you can choose overwhelming, choose it

[modern brook]

inner traits prio imo

OP > CC > Lifespeed >blood siphon > stats > veins > garbage damage procs > garbage defensive procs

[stone cloud]

What about unstable flames?

[leaden grail]

2nd bastion of might or 2nd callous reprisal?

[brisk ferry]

2nd bom

[stone cloud]

Bastion

[warm plinth]

I’d put flames = to or just below CC

[brisk ferry]

and get rid of the first CR

[strong forum]

Unstable flames Is same tier as OP

[modern brook]

That would fall under stats @stone cloud

[warm plinth]

It’s really good

[modern brook]

agreed

[stone cloud]

For m+

[modern brook]

I'd take the other 4 over it any day though

[stone cloud]

Loses a bit in raid but ya

[modern brook]

OP and life speed is haste

[leaden grail]

the alternative to my first callous is ruinous bolt ..

[modern brook]

CC is IF on an inner trait

[strong forum]

Tfw running 3x unstable flames 😼

[stone cloud]

I mean I have 1600 haste

[modern brook]

UF loses to Blood siphon IMO soley cause its RNG based

[strong forum]

UF has 80% uptime.

Just so you know

[stone cloud]

Yea

[modern brook]

at 5 stacks?

[strong forum]

You get 5 stacks insta anyway

[stone cloud]

At 2 stacks it’s more stats then siphon

• who doesn’t like seeing more 40K+ claps?

[modern brook]

🤷

I'll let you in on a secret

If you have 415 azerites

and 400 mainhand

and a 405+ sheild

it actually doesnt matter

literally all of your choices are fake - you're already unkillable and capable of 50k in aoe

UF is good dont get me wrong

I might be wrong in my understanding of how it works

[strong forum]

Tfw 415 azerite 415 weapon ad 420 shield

But I agree bull

It's little to no difference

It's personal preference

[modern brook]

I'm dropping ilvl for sockets rn

but dont tell anyone

🤷

[strong forum]

Tfw 6 sockets anyway

417 equipped

:feelsgood:

[modern brook]

I drop from 410 to 408

for +6 sockets

[stone cloud]

Hmmmm stats

[strong forum]

That's fine

1300 crit 1700 haste here ama

[modern brook]

1200 1400 ~1000 mast

off memory

probably wrong

[stone cloud]

That’s like my monk... sockets on everything except weapon and rings

1300crit 1200vers and 1200mastery

Feels stronk

[modern brook]

lol monk feeling strong

[stone cloud]

With CoS pants he pumps st dude!

[strong forum]

Monk 🤔 stronk 🤔

[modern brook]

ok

I'm trying to like tanking agian TBH

snot working out

I think my problem is a lack of a group :^(

[stone cloud]

we did it

[modern brook]

gz

[strong forum]

How many millions did you waste

[warm plinth]

Phew that’s some haste right there

[stone cloud]

1.2

[strong forum]

I was lucky and got 220 crit and 240 haste ring 1st try

[stone cloud]

Have 319 mastery haste one too

[oblique garnet]

smh not haste crit

[stone cloud]

Never lucky dude

I hope I don’t get some shit 425 barnacle again this week 🤔

[lime mantle]

@stone cloud you gonna get a 425 ring 😃

[warm plinth]

With a socket

[stone cloud]

Good thing you wear 2 then!

Fat SoB Crit haste plz

[lime mantle]

@stone cloud and first dungeon you run is gonna be socket 425

Why? Because Blizzard hates you 😃

[stone cloud]

Lol

Tbh I’d quit

[warm plinth]

Then again, if 1.2 mil was worth one 415 ring, isn’t wasting 1.2 mil worth two 425s?

[stone cloud]

Lol

Just gonna get 425 block and be happy af

Then I’d have 425 block + 420 rezans

Or a ring and the get the mastery trink from unnat

[lime mantle]

I have no item but my azerite above 420 (or even at 415 other than my cape).
You don’t know suffering yet

[sick sentinel]

What 415 pieces from the vendor are good to have? Just got Lockjaw shoulders, and they feel nice with IF/BoM/DC

[ornate wagon]

hmmm jes howler at 410 or rezan's at 405

[modern brook]

whats your other trinket

[knotty vortex]

is Jes howler good for prot

[modern brook]

its not bad

[ornate wagon]

alchemy trink

[modern brook]

its major issue is that verse is one of our lower output stats

and the cooldown doesnt line up

assuming alchs at 415; i'd go rezan

[ornate wagon]

it is

[modern brook]

I think there are other people here that will tell you Jes is worth it

[ornate wagon]

I was gonna bind it into avatar and see what happened lol

[modern brook]

You'll get it like very 3rd-4th

[knotty vortex]

im using 400 rezans and 415 alchmest trinket. i dont think a 415 jes howler would outdo it

[modern brook]

If you use jes its important htat you dont lose uses

otherwise its trash

[sick sentinel]

410 howler vs 400 eye, thoughts? my other main trinket is 410 butcher block (WM)

[modern brook]

so u cant just bind and forget

[ornate wagon]

dr claw read up lol

[modern brook]

^

eye+butcher is a dope combo tbh

howler feels awkward to use

I just dislike the trinket on the whole

I do think it comes down to preference

10ilvls is a lot of stats, and used correctly Holwer is probably better than -10 ilvl eye

[sick sentinel]

it does, can add extra dps tho i'll give it a shot in some dungeons see if i like it or nah

It's really just down to the CD of Jes being 18 years before u can use it again

Poyo

[modern brook]

2min is a really awkward cd for us

since it comes up ~8-10s after your 3rd avatar on avg

DK's like the eye a lot too tbh

[sick sentinel]

Also it can lead to some bad habits, I've had tanks do try to get the solo buff

From jes

[modern brook]

lol why

[ornate wagon]

hahahahha

heroic leap, trinket, intercept, demo, avatar, trinket falls off.... wasted

[sick sentinel]

The vers they get solo is higher so they want more of it

Which has lead to dumbass shit pulls

I do it all the time, but I know how to get it solo

But it's mainly because I HL to adds far away to their edge that are in our path

Should i be saving my TR for 8.2 now? i've got 2.4 k of it and all 3 415 pieces

But I have the excuse that I can leap and not walk/dash/charge

[pastel holly]

that underrot trinket is bad isn`t it?

[sick sentinel]

If u don't need anything specific yea

Yes @pastel holly

[modern brook]

@pastel holly Pods yes

Vial no

[sick sentinel]

Ubless ur doing a no healer run

which one there is 2, there is a spore thingy and a vial

[modern brook]

vial is like High b low a tier

[sick sentinel]

the vial is okay, but not the greatest

the spores is utter dog shit

[modern brook]

[defensive trinket] is utter dog shit

[sick sentinel]

never procs, so you can't control when it heals you, and the heal doesn't do jack anyways

[modern brook]

once u get high ilvl weapon and shield you should not be on tank loot spec anymore

🤷

[ornate wagon]

good call

ive got 415 mace and shield, time to swap eh

[modern brook]

p much yah

u can swap to it on the fights that drop the weapon/sheild u care about

like until you have 425 sheild u can be on prot vs CoL

[sick sentinel]

i had the thing at 325 in 8.0 and then at 340, and it just never did anything useful at all, did like less than 1% overall dmg

[modern brook]

but theres no reason to poison your loot table with pods and bandages

if you dont need the weapon/shield

[naive panther]

Best birthday ever. Just got helm of abyssal malevolence. I have kraken shell pauldrons and ashvane warden's cuirass..... I'm set for life now. Took forever but I got there.

[modern brook]

congrats seo!

I wish i was u rn

thats the dream set

[naive panther]

yeah pretty excited. Going to run triple bom for now, one dc, metic schemingx2, opx2, unstable flames, bth, iv, and i guess take bulwark even though it's junk

[modern brook]

cant you do 3x op

nvm u def cant

Consider CC over UF bot otherwise i think u got the play

also super consider long stider

ITs actually secret op

tc slows to 100% player base moevement speed

6% movement speed = solo kiting

[naive panther]

yeah since bulwark is meh, and garbage in raid i might

why are you thinking cc though?

[modern brook]

CC is IF on an inner trait

You can gret crit from the other 10 item slots

u cant get more armor and a thorns effect

[fresh valley]

my 408 resto druid sims higher as boomkin than my 415 fury warrior by almost 600 dps, feelsbadman

[modern brook]

I play arms for my DPS spec dude

[naive panther]

how's the damage on it?

[modern brook]

imagine how i feel :^(

[naive panther]

ive ran cc on my dh in past, didn't seem amazing, and war doesn't need armor like dh

[fresh valley]

i don't know how i should feel right nw

quick

[modern brook]

Warrior doesn't have armor steroids

[fresh valley]

someone tell me

[modern brook]

DH is just a fragile garbage spec

[naive panther]

yes it is

[modern brook]

DH also is parry centric ==> wont proc the damage and kites ==> wont proc the damage

so its uptime would be higher cause its a paper fucking class, but its value will be lower

Hmm i might be wrong on the parry thingh i havent tested it

[sand egret]

🤔

[modern brook]

im going off tooltips and we know how accurate those are

regardless CC is dope for the same reasons IF is dope

UF is also dope because stats

but stats are more accessible than effects like CC

thats my opinion

[lime mantle]

CC=Crystalline carapace?

[sand egret]

I wouldn't take CC on a warrior, tbh

and yes CC = Crystalline Carapace in this context

[naive panther]

i dont have if or bti in this set up cause its aoe dps set really

[brisk ferry]

ehh gambled Kraken Shell Pauldrons, now all set til 8.2

triple DC BOM

[fresh valley]

i'm happy with either 3x Dc/2x Bom/Gizmo or 2xDC/3x BoM/Trech Cov

[sick sentinel]

for the longest time i heard stacking DC was just a meme

[oblique garnet]

yes

[lime mantle]

Stack dc=sick deepz aoe

[oblique garnet]

The memes became reality

[lime mantle]

If I could I’d go 3Bom raid + 2 flurry and 1 dc and I already go 3 BoM r and 3 dc m+

[umbral forge]

@oblique garnet can you please tank a key for me around 01-02 your time?

[sand egret]

we're at the point in the expansion where gear outweighs content. Thus, meme's are born.

[oblique garnet]

uhh

[umbral forge]

18 Tol Dagor

[oblique garnet]

@sand condor can tank it

[umbral forge]

no he's gonna sleep

[fresh valley]

what region are you jet?

[umbral forge]

EU

[fresh valley]

can't help yah, sorry 😦

[sick sentinel]

i did a 13FH and the healer is like "just shield wall the sharknado"

so i can see what you mean

[sand egret]

just block it, tbh

no real need to SW it lol

[sick sentinel]

it can be shield blocked?

[sand egret]

yar

[little ravine]

it does nothing with SB up

[sick sentinel]

that's news to me good to know

[sand egret]

it tickles at most

[little ravine]

did a 16 yesterday and I maybe like a total of 5% through the whole duration

[oblique garnet]

yeah i mean

even on 20

it didnt even break my ip through sb

[sand egret]

yeah it's the ideal blockable ability

[brisk ferry]

do we like met scheming over 3rd DC?

[sand egret]

high damage but spread out in multiple blockable bursts

[brisk ferry]

strictly M+

[oblique garnet]

@brisk ferry Met is really nice now that they fixed it

[sand egret]

I wanna stack met over DCs tbh

[brisk ferry]

oh they fixed it?

[oblique garnet]

yes

uptime rose like 10%

[brisk ferry]

well then, thanks!

[lime mantle]

I play Alliance so I cannot help

[brisk ferry]

guess I'm 3bom/2dc/MS now lol

[sand egret]

I can't really be asked to stack DC

[sick sentinel]

what about callous or is that just trash

[sand egret]

too gimmicky for me

[stone cloud]

Pffft go 3xTC 1xDC 2xBoM now that’s the dream

[sand egret]

so i'd try MET over DC

[brisk ferry]

sounds good, thanks everyone

[stone cloud]

Met is like 25-30% uptime now

[sand egret]

callous is ok. eclipsed by our other Prot traits and some neutrals (I'd take Met Scheming over CR, for instance)

[sick sentinel]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/draenor/Zedek this is my character anyways

nothing too special

[astral crystal]

quality taste in helm tmog

[sand condor]

hmm?

[brisk ferry]

oh here's another question. 3rd Earthlink or 1st UF?

[sick sentinel]

overwhelming power, blood siphon, or winds of war? for M+. i don't do high keys, just pug 10-14 or so. i dont have OP on any other pieces

[austere oar]

op

[brisk ferry]

OP

best trait on that ring

[sick sentinel]

great thats what i was thinking. also got a 425 has/mas ring from chest! 😃

[brisk ferry]

wow nice! grats

[marble violet]

Earthlink, OP or Azerite Veins?

M+ mainly

[brisk ferry]

OP

see above lol

[junior hazel]

I have a 395 adulation enforcer equpped (75 haste/52 vers) with quick nav. I just got a 410 servant splitter with no stats other than stam/str and a chance on hit to do 8k damage bleed. I should stick with my enforcer right?

[brisk ferry]

hard to give up 15 ilvls on weapon

[junior hazel]

thats what im thinking. my armor doesnt go up as much or my health tbh but the dps would probably increase

[old zephyr]

I would keep the 395

On m+ you want AoE and splitter suck at that

On raid you want tankyness and splitter suck at that

[junior hazel]

Thats what im saying xD

or at least what I was thinking that it has no value tbh

other than slight increase in stam + str

[old zephyr]

The weapon dps is the main increase

[stone cloud]

Thinking the 1-2% stats makes a difference in tanykness 😂

[old zephyr]

But I don't think It's worth

[stone cloud]

Weapon dps is like 8-12 dps per 1.0 point

410 = better in ever situation

[austere oar]

no matter what go for ilvl for weapons

[undone sun]

can sim it
More than likely it's better offensively at that ilevel difference

[austere oar]

same for shields

[stone cloud]

I’d drop splitter for 5ilvl lower bis stat weap in m+ but ya

Just because the proc does nothing for aoe really

[strong forum]

410 > 395 in every situation

[stone cloud]

Ya

[strong forum]

However, yes I'd say any other weapon at 405 would be better than that stupid axe at 410

If the axe would atleast have more mainstat that'd be a cool offset

[marble violet]

For outer ring traits, Have 2 DC or 2 IF?

[strong forum]

Like say 30% more str and stam than its counterparts

2x IF has more use, 2x DC would just be slightly more dmg

[oblique garnet]

@ionic fern How did KR go?

[ionic fern]

Reaping messed up boss. 😦

[marble violet]

@strong forum Thanks for input!

[ionic fern]

We were mongs there tho

Got hit by shit we shouldn't have'

[oblique garnet]

you pulled reaping with 1st boss?

[ionic fern]

We always do.

[oblique garnet]

Yeah you dont want to do that on 22 KR XD

[ionic fern]

Naa, we do.

We just got hit by things we shouldn't have.

😦

Big sad.

[umbral forge]

or a +13

(The above is a joke post)

[little ravine]

our mistweaver found it impossible to heal a 17 triad in WM but managed to heal a 15 fine. is jumping a couple of keys and noticing a massive jump in tyranical bosses a thing or is it a git gud issue?

[umbral forge]

a thing

key difficulty is exponential

[little ravine]

I found the Mark hit for a fuck ton too. like 40% hp

[umbral forge]

It's why people who do 20's have score like 2500+

and not 2000

[little ravine]

ahh yeah that makes sense

I guess 17s are just our limit currently considering gear/exp. for tyran WM at least

[stark sage]

and generally healers operate on a pass/fail sort of playstyle, things are fine until they arent

[old zephyr]

Kinda Yeah
Tyra grievious galvaz : I can heal that no problem.
Lower tyra eudora, well you better not take avoidable Damage or we'll all die à horrible death

But i'm not the greatest healer either

[hushed whale]

what %uptime on ignore paind do you typically have/should I be aiming for over a dungeon?

[open bluff]

all aboard the leech train

[brisk ferry]

[undone sun]

Overall uptime in dungeons can be skewed because of combat downtimes

[honest canopy]

Narkotika

[oblique garnet]

i have around 70% uptime on ip in keys

[hushed whale]

thank you 😃

[lusty grotto]

Hoo boy fort teeming week

[brisk ferry]

and explosive with teeming

hooray

[lusty grotto]

Time to make no healer groups

I'm gonna go ahead and say that this might be a fun week

But then again I'm always wrong about this sort of thing

[brisk ferry]

define "fun"

I thought this was a horrible week

[lusty grotto]

Bro

Next week is when it will be horrible

[brisk ferry]

hi

oh no

I juyst got back from Nashville so I didnt get to take advantage of the super free week

[lusty grotto]

Gotta love grievous tyrannical lmao

[brisk ferry]

ah christ

[lusty grotto]

Yeah I gotta get my rank back up from the mongos that got ahead of me

[brisk ferry]

lol GL sir, mine will forever be shite

[lusty grotto]

Fucking dude that didn't time 5 dungeons got more ranks

[brisk ferry]

jebus

I've started marketing myself in /2 as best 1200 tank on the server looking for half decent keys

you might be surprised, but I have had zero bites

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

Dang

[celest gate]

3x IF 1x bom and 1x DC azerite gods

;-;

[lusty grotto]

Yikes

[celest gate]

Does if block even stack

[lusty grotto]

It does

[celest gate]

Well got that going

[lusty grotto]

So today I get 7k residuum

And it's either buy the helm

Or roll it

[celest gate]

Jesus you saved that long?

[lusty grotto]

Nah I had 415s very early on

[brisk ferry]

I'd 100% just buy it

after gambling the exact same shoulders on my monk for the 4th time

[lusty grotto]

Honestly I would but I wanna save for 8.2

[brisk ferry]

fuck. gambling.

[daring marlin]

I rolled soulspun today

kinda happy

got cthraxxi last week off the rando roll

[lusty grotto]

Uhh

Why not kraken shell tho

[brisk ferry]

that's what I just gambled today

[daring marlin]

already have them

stupido

had them for months now

[lusty grotto]

I've been had

[daring marlin]

my prot asserite has been legit for a while now tbh

[jovial haven]

so I got 415 block from cache on the warrior. other 2 trinkets are 400 Diamond and 400 alch. Looking for a second opinion on which 2 to use. M+ only and doing around 15 mainly with pugs

[lusty grotto]

All I want is that stupid helm

[daring marlin]

use the one off first boss mythic, engi helm and kraken

[lusty grotto]

Have been rocking sea brawler for a while

Yeah I would roll MS chest too but nah I'm good

With Champs chest

[celest gate]

Frick u guys

This rng train has got to stop for me

[lusty grotto]

I have 0 diamond though

Will never drop

[daring marlin]

I had putrid path before engi helm

[celest gate]

I haven't gotten open palm on my monk either in 5 or so rolls

[daring marlin]

but scrapped it

now I have three engi helms(one for each spec)

[lusty grotto]

So I'm just alternating between rezan block and block anchor

[daring marlin]

and now I'm rolling for new helms lol

the tradeoff of BoM/IF for DC/RNG is good IMO

plus OP is OP

[celest gate]

You'd never equip 400 over 415

Regardless of traits right?

[brisk ferry]

right

[sick sentinel]

Yup

[celest gate]

Kill meeee

[modern brook]

p much

[sick sentinel]

Should just kys if u do that

[modern brook]

well less so

KYS is a crutch tbh

[celest gate]

Would you take crit haste hands or haste vers with avoidance same ilvl

[sick sentinel]

The one with more haste

[brisk ferry]

crit haste

[celest gate]

Also this week is big push

Teeming fort explosive

[lusty grotto]

fun week

next week, not so much

so

again

i have 7k residuum today

roll for abyssal malevolance or just buy it

(keeping in mind that i would like to save for 8.2)

whats the consensus here @daring marlin GO

then you @modern brook

then you @oblique garnet

then you @sick sentinel

then not you blade

:p

[modern brook]

just buy it

[lusty grotto]

goddamn it

[modern brook]

🤷

[lusty grotto]

thats like 3-0

[oblique garnet]

Roll

[modern brook]

90% of the stuff that will matter in 8.2 is crucible essence == neck level

[sick sentinel]

what's your helmet

[oblique garnet]

Roll do not buy

[lusty grotto]

sea brawlers

[modern brook]

saving residium is for nerds

[lusty grotto]

3-1

[oblique garnet]

Roll and you get good helm

Nim

Believe me

Just roll it

Live a life on the edge

[sick sentinel]

azerite roulette boys

[lusty grotto]

late makes a good point

[modern brook]

fuck it

i change mine to roll

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

rofl

[modern brook]

I trust late

I believe in him

[celest gate]

Freaking gamblers

[lusty grotto]

ok i believe

[modern brook]

ezpz

[lusty grotto]

will report back on my failures later today

[modern brook]

❤

[daring marlin]

I always roll

since you can scrap and roll more

[lusty grotto]

speaking of which, i should fucking scrap all my fury shit

since im never gonna do it

[celest gate]

Fury is op wth

[lusty grotto]

i tried it..once

[celest gate]

Keep it

[lusty grotto]

fuck that

[modern brook]

Fury is dumb

[lusty grotto]

Arms forever

[modern brook]

Biceps is a class

hell yeah

[celest gate]

Arms is dumb

Bladestorm afk

[lusty grotto]

excuse me sir

[modern brook]

lol

imagine needing intelligence

[daring marlin]

arms lol

fury es numero uno

[modern brook]

I'm a 💪 warrior

not a REEEEtard

[lusty grotto]

waiting on those arms utility buffs in 8.2

[celest gate]

😡

[modern brook]

Arms will get a grip

100%

[lusty grotto]

obviously battle rez and shroud

imo

[celest gate]

Arms and fury will scale

😂

[modern brook]

Its the opposite of shroud

u flex for 15s and every monster in X yds is disoriented

[lusty grotto]

dps warriors will now dab with their group making mobs look away in disgust for 15 seconds

[modern brook]

ur too old nim

dabbing is sick

[celest gate]

Isn't this basically banners from mop

[modern brook]

Banners are for nerds dude

[lusty grotto]

you guys didn't see what i did

i said

dps warriors

you know...

all warriors

👌

[modern brook]

that joke was as good as this expansion :^)

[lusty grotto]

😢

[celest gate]

This expac has been fun

[lusty grotto]

we will see

[celest gate]

Also, is trinket from cos worth leeching from a guild to try and get?

[lusty grotto]

i usually last until third tier then i have to take a break

[celest gate]

Or is 400 prism still fine

[lusty grotto]

if that doesnt happen then this expansion wins

[celest gate]

I usually break 2nd tier

I missed all of Tomb

[lusty grotto]

i missed antorus

[wary gyro]

I'm currently taking a break from the game

[lusty grotto]

came back at the end though

[celest gate]

I miss Siege of ogrimmar

[lusty grotto]

same with WoD

[celest gate]

Trinkets were nutty

[lusty grotto]

i missed HFC, but came back at the end

[jovial haven]

was gonna say if you missed hfc, you missed 2/3 of WoD

[celest gate]

WoD definitely worse expansion

Worst**

[lusty grotto]

i came back halfway through HFC is what i mean

same with Antorus

i missed when they both came out

[honest canopy]

WoD was alrite

BRF was top 3 raids ever

[jovial haven]

when I get bored I just level more toons, then it makes things somewhat relevant again

[lusty grotto]

so if... i stay for the whole najentus thing

or whatever its called

nazjatar?

[jovial haven]

think thats it

[lusty grotto]

wait

uhh thats third tier

so i would have to quit just before the last raid

nzoth raid?

[jovial haven]

you mean azshara's palace?

[vocal skiff]

Just healed a veng DH in tol dagor, went a lot better than I expected lol

[lusty grotto]

nzoth/sylvanas raid

[vocal skiff]

But dude was slow as fuck

We timed it but could have been a lot faster

Now I will do the second TD in a row, this time as a tank

it can be interesting to do this to change the perspective, running a dungeon shortly after another

[real pike]

Hi a quick question, I saw a spell reflect on Elder Leaxa's bloodbolt in UR 24 I think for like 1M, does it really hit that hard or is there something else that adds to that damage?

[unborn island]

I can believe it's a gib at 24 Tyrannical

[real pike]

oh sure but like, 1M is quite a bit more than a gib

I could imagine demo shout adds to that damage but still seems like such a high number

[mental scarab]

Lul

18 UR they hit for 480k

🤔

[real pike]

aight fair enough, so I guess they can even gib in like 12-13 if it hits a dps?

[vocal skiff]

Most definitely

[real pike]

aight cool, thanks. I guess I was just underestimating the number then, thanks!

[vocal skiff]

Change of perspective: I went into TD as tank this time and group failed to kill explosives time and time again

It was my key so I just left

So much for a shift lol

[celest gate]

You kill explosives too though

[vocal skiff]

I do, but I can't do it all alone

when rogue has 3k damage on explosives

there's a problem

On big pulls you need support

Or at least I do

[modern brook]

rogue shouldnt be the one helping tbh

unless outlaw

nvm

it was prob outlaw

[vocal skiff]

outlaw of course

[wary gyro]

What the fuck am I looking at

[modern brook]

Protect me from this please

[oblique garnet]

Ace ventura?🤔

[stark sage]

delet

[stray wedge]

$pb 192118390905634817 spam

[turbid robin]

Done.

[modern brook]

ty4protection

[chilly brook]

Oof

[dusky fern]

How good is triple impassive visage for m jaina prog?

[remote tusk]

Visage is good I think? Just depends on what other choices you have available.

[brisk ferry]

are we boiling jaina prog down to the last azerite ring? lol

[dusky fern]

obviously not, im just deciding to go for a third impassive or two impassive and the rally trait

[remote tusk]

I'd personally always take at least one Rallying Cry trait.

[sick sentinel]

Impassive visage is the best inner trait

by a mile

[austere oar]

Yeah go for 3

[modern brook]

just leave them blank

3x longstrider + gonk +feral affinity 🏎 @sand egret

[small panther]

Hi all Blizzard gave me a new trinket today, would a 425 lingering sporepods be better than a 390 Rezan's?

[ebon hound]

Don't think so

[neon tangle]

maybe

[small panther]

The haste from REz is just too good to give up?

[ebon hound]

its more like that trinket is stinking hot garbage

[neon tangle]

@small panther sim it

35ilvls is a TON

[modern brook]

probably

froma n overall through put perspective probably definitely

35 ilvls of str is a lot for an onproc haste buff

that said; this is exactly why i say not to leave ur loot spec on prot 🤷

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's a lot of str...

[small panther]

Yea i was trying to get op trinket and forgot to change it ahah

ty all I'll give it a sim and go from there

[neon tangle]

@modern brook I think rngesus is giving me a sign that I should go sub or sin

[modern brook]

sub is op dude its just a secret because it sucks

[neon tangle]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/abertras

Look at my trinket + pants

[modern brook]

lol why are you even playing outlaw