@ionic fern @orchid token @old zephyr @willow scarab thanks for answer
#protection
fringe anvil
willow scarab
Corner to corner
If the range stack on the boss or in the previous corner that you were in it makes spiders easier
Ranged in middle is annoying
orchid token
yeah, any tank movement plan doesnt survive a pug
they put spiders in too many unpredictable locations and you just have to adjust on the fly
modern brook
I'll never understand how "YEAH JUST TANK HER IN THE FUCKING CUBBY DONT WORRY ABOUT IT T'LL BE FINE" ended up being the accepted pug strat
cause its literally the worst thing you can do in that fight
jovial haven
yep, that's why I don't do it
modern brook
🤠
astral crystal
🤠
paper holly
Well guys
i timed it with 4 mins left
tanked it counter clock wise and would keep moving each time a huge number of spiders spawned
jovial haven
grats
jovial haven
and now many more to come lol
modern brook
grats
paper holly
Haha hopefully ye
modern brook
honestly that fight is fucking cake for us
you take like no damage as long as the rest of your group is doing shit correctly
paper holly
True. Surprisingly the pug i was with had an idea or two so it made it better
tranquil cedar
what's the proper cool down usage to take "like no damage" b/c that has not been my experience, OTOH I have only pugged it and and 389 ilvl
paper holly
i use a weak aura to track my shield block and ignore pain uptime and would keep them up whenenver they fall down
jovial haven
make sure to alternate shield wall and last stand if needed
tranquil cedar
yeah I do those too, saving shield block for skewer
^ weakauras to track SB and IP that is
jovial haven
you will take damage, "like no damage" really means you shouldnt be dipping say sub50-60%
but say your SB is 5 sec left on cd and you don't have a SB active use your other defensives
tranquil cedar
yeah it's hard to tell the "my dick is too big" players bragging from the useful and meaningful contributions
so sometimes I am like "with am I doing wrong then" and it turns out I am actually playing properly
yeah Wicked it sounds like I am doing it right
ran AD about 10 times this weekend trying for that damn trinket
have literally everything from the dungeon at >395 BUT the shield and trinket
jovial haven
some people have a set group and because of that they can do more and take less damage cus healer has an idea of what the tank will do and of course coms help a lot, which you don't get much with pugs
tranquil cedar
yeah playing with a group is key
jovial haven
don't forget TD,ML have shields plus first boss of BoD
tranquil cedar
yeah I have a 385 shield
just was trying to focus on one dungeon to learn to tank basically
old zephyr
I have done it tis week
tranquil cedar
and the ML WQ has a shield too
old zephyr
average premade : you can do crazy pull just fine
good PUGs, get 2 packs and it's panic
tranquil cedar
I tried to suggest death skip on the pre-Volkal pack
ppl are like "huh? just kill it"
cue two wipes
brittle owl
you only do that pack if you have a dk lmao
brittle owl
lmao
tranquil cedar
then 3 re-animates on Volkal
inner moth
how do u fail
brittle owl
i can't see how they can fail
control undead
but hey
i learned an officer in my guild was keyboard turning all the way up to late uldir
little ravine
how's best to deathskip the pack before Vol? do you just need the tank to aggro everything off to the side and then the other 4 run passed? I would've throught the pack would aggro the group but I guess they dont if you dont heal or attack either
little ravine
ah easy, shroud in, deathskip out
tranquil cedar
you can deathskip both w/o a rogue
little ravine
I'm still learning the best strats to speed up keys. Only done 14s in time so far with my group (we all barely did M+ until a few months ago)
tranquil cedar
I'm learning to tank them but no speed-up tricks
spice ferry
The rocks on left still work, blizz just made it so you walk further into water first
tranquil cedar
only doing < 10
little ravine
ah when I tried that skip before i thought it was patched, with a wall
spice ferry
It was
You need to go further
Almost to the edge of the triangle to boss is on
And the wall disappears
sand egret
Going from this week to next week is going to suuuck. Gotta keep reminding myself that this week is just free week
willow scarab
What if you don’t have a rogue
sand egret
gasp
inner moth
if you have no rogue u fooked up
celest gate
How to do first kr boss on 19
willow scarab
Drop gold on the gong
Be sure to safeguard the end of the spit gold
There’s no real tricks I’m sorry the boss just sucks
Big damage big healing cross fingers
celest gate
Is there a mouse over macro for safeguard
willow scarab
I’ve missed 5 KR20 timers by under 2 minutes this week and bricked a 21 and 22 on first boss
Yes
Let me type it for you on my phone
celest gate
No I will find it on lunch
willow scarab
/cast [target=mouseover] Intercept
Or /cast @mouseover Intercept
Maybe it’s @mouse idk I use the first one
silk mortar
Should be able to find it at prot icy veins no prob
willow scarab
Druid go bear
celest gate
Yeah they weren't bear affinity
willow scarab
Press buttons harder
celest gate
I mean I can def play better on that boss
With having block for every tail thrash going
Not used to that actually hurting tbh
willow scarab
And not using AM before the circle
celest gate
Am?
silk mortar
Great 😄
celest gate
Last stand will sometimes last into it
celest gate
I missed an intercept on him and he ded
silk mortar
Even if so. He didnt go Into bear
celest gate
At like 12% on boss
silk mortar
He can survive ^^
modern brook
im 100 responses late
celest gate
Classic
modern brook
but the proper cooldown use to take no damage is to be >ilvl400 in a 15
Side bar
My new favorite thing to do is join ToS +18s and see how quickly we can scuff the key
outer dew
If he gets the tick and stays as bear he's also not bombing himself with heals
And prepping for the next tick
modern brook
its like a speed run to first boss -> how many retards can get hit by the same cyclone strike
outer dew
Lol
celest gate
Bear frenzied regen is enough to live on 19 if they have bark I believe
outer dew
You know I question my life on my hpal that fight
modern brook
that dungeon is hard in tyr; specifically on the healer, imo
outer dew
Problem is when they get behind
modern brook
3rd and 1st bosses are just ass to heal
2nd boss can get exciting if its done poorly too
celest gate
I personally hate last boss the most
outer dew
You guys forgetting. Just because you can survive a set
Doesnt mean you can prep to make sure your dps lives
First boss is literally RNG for kr
All depends if you can get it to spit on people with cd
celest gate
Shadowmeld can be used to change the rng a bit
outer dew
@modern brook pugging on my hpal makes me want to scream
celest gate
Well assuming you're alliance
modern brook
I think Raal is low key a hrd fight :^(
modern brook
but then againt hats because its been almost a year and i still dont know wtf anything he does actually does
celest gate
Being a holy paladin and no brez?
modern brook
like what amkes the puddles??
fresh valley
safeguard makes KR so much more bearable
modern brook
He has a spit?
celest gate
Where the oozed go
outer dew
It's kinda funny tbh
modern brook
btw my rogues officially a keystone master
outer dew
Lol
outer dew
Healer I run with is 2500 without keystone master
fresh valley
i pugged my way to 2k, you can too!
modern brook
I'm 1.7 rn
outer dew
Got 2k months ago and went casual
modern brook
its hard to get DPS slots in high keys
fresh valley
bull, you can run with me
modern brook
Its hard to get DPS slots in high keys when ur as bad as i am
modern brook
The problem is everyones on their outlaw rogue alts
celest gate
Giga damage
modern brook
so no one takes rogues 😠
outer dew
Its because everyone's 3k on outlaw already scrub lord
modern brook
😠
fresh valley
i'm on my work laptop, but i have proof that i tanked +16 tree boi tyrannical to 70 stacks
outer dew
Tbh, 3x echo sin is pretty good
lime mantle
(I actually do, you can do it!)
modern brook
@lime mantle I'm like 80% being a dick 20% screen shots
fresh valley
did we ever start that leaderboard?
modern brook
I'm a big proponent of Sin > Outlaw tbh
a) outlaw is boring
b) sin damage w/ proper azerite/play is more impactful
modern brook
c) its really worth mentioning that outlaw is so boring it gets that point over ASSASSINATION**********
celest gate
Yeah but blade flurry
lime mantle
@modern brook play whatever is more fun.
I have decided to be more positive and a generally nicer person!
modern brook
honestly rtb rng is not that big a deal
getting SnC 6 times feels bad but statistically its like a 4% variance
lime mantle
(You forgot d) ass is best short hand name)
modern brook
I did :^)
lime mantle
:v]
astral path
I always found it annoying. sin makes you feel like Drizzt Do'Urden so thar ya go, but I always liked feral druid so sin rogue was easy to get used to
modern brook
Honestly i miss subtlety
brisk ferry
@lime mantle I did the same thing, and this lead me to unsub lol
modern brook
but like they did their absolute best to make sure its not fun to play this expansion
brisk ferry
honestly strictly pugging all content becomes horrible, I'm surprised I lasted this long
lime mantle
@brisk ferry I hope it does the same to me! Because I sure as shit can’t find a good stable group to play m+
modern brook
Pugging is a great way to dislike the game; imo
lime mantle
(Tbh if I have to pug I just go play SP games it’s the same experience)
outer dew
Lol
lime mantle
@modern brook you are right.
inner moth
What level of keys are u talking about
outer dew
Not having a group for high keys is also how you hate the game
modern brook
🤷 any
oak heart
pugging is much worse than a single player game
modern brook
@outer dew tryna be in my group :^)
fresh valley
everyone hates on pugging, but i've enjoyed it. i'm starting to think the problems you guys have with pugging is because you're a bunch of dicks to everyone
inner moth
I mean, im pugging upto 13-14 and most of the time it goes smoothly
outer dew
Makes me feel like I'm in waiting simulator
brisk ferry
I only run like ~12s each week on monk and warr cause I just can't be bothered to tryhard pugging
willow scarab
@outer dew until today I was 2500 without keystone master too
outer dew
@modern brook tbh, I thought about going horde just for more people
modern brook
@inner moth most people are numerically above ~13s at this point
inner moth
yes i know they are
modern brook
like you can effectively numbers through those keys
lime mantle
@inner moth pugging is shit, not because it’s hard but because I am playing a MULTI player game without the fun parts of a MULTI player game aka playing it with friends.
inner moth
but im talking about the specific case here
modern brook
As in its not actually being played
brisk ferry
yeh agree with Danie, this game was fun until my entire friendslist quit
inner moth
well its not the games fault your friends dont play the game
willow scarab
I think the best way to get into keys is to be a good raider and then meet skilled players through that network and continue
outer dew
Not really
willow scarab
Pugs are reliably garbage
modern brook
Mistakes are being covered by higher health pools and absurd HPS from out gearing the content
lime mantle
@inner moth did I ever say it was?
outer dew
Raid doesnt translate into better m+
brisk ferry
well I actually think it IS the game's fault that people are quitting
willow scarab
I trust a 9/9 raider over a 1200 pug
modern brook
Tofu if u go horde I'll play w/ you :^)
outer dew
I sometimes ask how much they paid for a 9/9M cleat
willow scarab
Mechanically better and they understand their class better
modern brook
I'd make an alliance character if there was a fucking reason to 😠
willow scarab
Or at least it is implied
outer dew
Just because of how shit they are
celest gate
Wut in toxicity
outer dew
Keys are the same as raid
inner moth
My friend is only 8/9, they still progressing on jaina but he sucks at m+ lol
outer dew
You got to put the time in
celest gate
😡
willow scarab
Maybe I got lucky and the people I chose for keys happened to be good
fresh valley
i took a 419 9/9m 1200 io ret pally into a 17 (from azralon no less) dude fuckin shredded
willow scarab
I run with 10 people, 2 mistwalkers (mop) who just do keys for the last decade and everyone else is a big shot raider
Not disappointed yet
lime mantle
@modern brook did racial is FUN
celest gate
the problem I run into the raiders who aren't as good is the dungeon mechanics aren't as well known
Underrot 3rd boss swirl placement comes to mind
celest gate
I never play with them as it's high ping
willow scarab
Last season I didn’t even do 10s
Now I’m doing 20s+
I think the raiding translated well
The whole research mentality as well
outer dew
It doesnt
Most of the time. Its things you just know via pulls
Dont know CD timings and Mechanics unless you get pulls in
modern brook
I'm not doing the shit for alliance allied races though
outer dew
Esp once you get higher and higher when some mechanics just one shot
modern brook
way too much grinding
willow scarab
Mechanics are the same at +0 as they are at +30 they just hit harder
outer dew
Raal sneezing and one shotting you is a meme
modern brook
I have to grind from 1-120, then grind for rep then grind 20-120 to play the character i want
😬
willow scarab
Move out of the frontal is global across all of woe though
fresh valley
hot take: m+ is harder than raiding
outer dew
You have to smeld or cd
celest gate
What level does that start onenshotting on tyrannical?
modern brook
M+ has a stronger emphasis on your own paly
willow scarab
We do the whole room and then reaping on 20+ with raiders and nobody is getting instant killed despite not seeing the floor
celest gate
I never roll a higher waycrest
modern brook
idk if that makes it necessarily harder
willow scarab
I don’t understand what you’re saying now
outer dew
@modern brook I want to play zanadalri pala, but I dont want to pay $70
lime mantle
@modern brook oh no, that was like the only reason to play Alliance.
Maybe shadow meld? But shadowmeld isn’t fun to press.
modern brook
@outer dew ur not missing out its still not as good as Belf pally
lime mantle
Downside of belf pally:
Godawful elf models
modern brook
😠
modern brook
I play belf cause if im not willing to fuck my avatar, why am i playing an RPG?
outer dew
23 Tyrannical glob throw is what borderline one shots you
It's the skill which summons the globs
It does damage on impact and then splits
willow scarab
So outside of immunity and meld etc
How does that have anything to do with raiding or with keys
That’s just 23 tyrannical?
outer dew
Its know what to do
lime mantle
@modern brook I immediately retract anytime I have said you are right or correct or been positive with you, you have horrible taste in women.
outer dew
A good chunk of people sont even know you can meld
fresh valley
i think what makes m+ harder than raiding is it requires you to focus on numerous threats for 30+ minutes, not to mention there's a lot more potential for things to go wrong
willow scarab
“You have to immune the spit” 6 words before the pull and everyone is fine?
outer dew
And you have to learn the timings anyway
fresh valley
and require you to think on the fly
willow scarab
Or meld - 8 words?
willow scarab
Is your point that top 1% of key players are doing keys so high that you need specific key knowledge
lime mantle
Just drink a stamina flask before the spit lmao
willow scarab
Or that good raiders aren't good at keys
Is class and game knowledge not a clear advantage?
outer dew
No. It's that you need pulls in for m+. You just dont go and assume raid prog is the same as key skill
fresh valley
my point is that, if you're good at high keys, you'll be a good raider, which is opposite of your point that a good raider is a good m+ player
willow scarab
Why is it that way and not also the other way around
dusk locust
m+ def requires as much if not more studying than raiding
willow scarab
Is anyone other than Tofu 2400+ and 9/9?
outer dew
For this expac so far. Theres not many bosses which really make you do a check on your aoe rotation for raid
modern brook
@lime mantle Im a gay vegan dude
outer dew
I dont get why you're taking this so personally. I'm just saying, raiding doesnt translate into how well you do into keys
stone cloud
^ truth
willow scarab
I feel like you went on and on to force your point though
ionic fern
And doing keys does not translate into raiding.
willow scarab
When what I said was that it did translate into keys
willow scarab
I think the skills are transferable
same as pvp into raiding and to a lesser extent keys
ionic fern
I've had 9/9M people who get CE each tier do such garbage things in even as low as 15 keys that it just boggles my mind. 🤷
dusk locust
it's lack of knowledge. tons of raiders i know study the raid but know nothing about m+
willow scarab
I mentioned that earlier
dusk locust
it's about where you want to spend your effort
willow scarab
because the mentality of raiding is research you take that into M+ when you decide to do keys
and do your research
dusk locust
lots of mythic raider types only really care about getting their 10 in anyway
willow scarab
That's true
outer dew
The personal responsibility check is also much higher in keys than it is in raid
dusk locust
mythic raiding you have to study just to see all the content. m+ you're only studying if you care to push raider.io score
lots of people aren't motivated enough by that
outer dew
You could get away in raid without kicking once in your life or not having to do X mechanic
fresh valley
personal responsibility, "endurance" (focus required), adaptibility,
ionic fern
Can't blame them. It's just for the IO score + yourself feeling better about yourself due to proving that you can do it.
Finished a +23 WM in time..OH BOY, WHAT'S MY REWARD??? A 400 ilvl piece.
willow scarab
You could say the same about keys though Tofu
A 2700 boomkin friend of mine did an 22 shrine without kicking once
inner moth
gz on the 400 piece
lime mantle
@modern brook that is no excuse for horrible taste in women OR men.
outer dew
Theres actually not many kicks in shrine since the current meta is to big pull and LoS water blast
lime mantle
@ionic fern get ready for a shitter tank to get a 425+socket+LEECH gore when you go on an alt!
outer dew
And lots of the kicks cam be done in 2-3 meele rotations
willow scarab
Is it not the heaviest kick dungeon? There were still plenty of kicks needed
And 2-3 melee 2nd boss rotation is how he got away not kicking
that doesn't change that your comment is the same for keys as it is for raid
outer dew
If you giga pull opening kicks aren't as needed
Since the most dangerous kicks are water blast
willow scarab
I mean we definitely snapshot 6+ mobs onto braziers at the start
but there's not enough cc to 100-0 them on a 20+
outer dew
You just LoS and pray you dont fuck up
You line with pillar
Each blast you line before it goes off
willow scarab
game changer
if I ever push my shrine above 21 i'll do that
in like 6 weeks maybe
fresh valley
we may not be 2600 9/9 but we know a thing or two
outer dew
Shame this week its if one raging water blast goes off
willow scarab
I'm not denying that jon
fresh valley
i know, i'm just being a dick
willow scarab
But it's different for a 3/9 1600 player to comment on a 2600 9/9 point
since obviously the skillset is different
not that it's not valid but the experience is different
willow scarab
I rolled tank in mop from dps because I was sick of tanks pulling that kinda shit
outer dew
Or the one that decide to stun reaping or AMS reaping to tilt me
willow scarab
The kicker is the ele shaman panic button-ing mobs
lime mantle
@outer dew I aim frontals at DPS because I hate their existence. I also do it at healers. I count them towards my KDR if they die.
Jokes aside what is wrong with stunning groups of casting reap mobs?
(When they are nearly done casting)
willow scarab
you should make an intercept macro to anyone using sliver while you're at it
outer dew
Because you dont take damage as long as the dot keeps refreshing
lime mantle
I don’t have anyone using it, but as soon as my healer has opulence trinket he’s getting intercept. I have healbit for this exact reason.
outer dew
So on high density reaping you dont dispell outside of when stacks stop refreshing
lime mantle
Interesting! I’ll keep it in mind, I normally dispel it with racial for dps
outer dew
It's the reason why you sometimes wonder how a dps solo tanked it all
No damage actually goes off if it refreshes
wild sandal
for m+ pushing, would prism be better or razan or vial, defensively?
fresh valley
who needs defense in m+
fresh valley
well that palce smacks
outer dew
Tbh. I've been just doing keys in my raid set
fresh valley
i would like to have the prism to prevent damage while i'm rounding huge packs of mobs
willow scarab
I was talking to rank 1 prot on his stream and he says you need the damage to time these super high keys
So he uses rezan's diamond
with full dps azerite
lime mantle
Full dps azerite? So BoM and DCx3?
outer dew
Yea, but for most people it's really just execution when it comes to keys
dusk locust
where's a good resource for insights about high keys and strategy? the sort of place that would suggest LoS'ing water blast, say
umbral forge
asking in here
fresh valley
sitting in this discord for hours on a time
willow scarab
Also looking at high io streams
dusk locust
i feel like raiding is saturated with advice but it's harder to find m+ info
tranquil cedar
^
fresh valley
watch nerfclap
dusk locust
which is part of what makes it harder
celest gate
Just leech 
sick sentinel
@willow scarab tripple dc :/
Hi guys, I'm trying to learn the Tank spec. and I have a problem with this part in underrot, (see attached image) how can I deal with this group without having a rogue? thanks!
willow scarab
One side has no matrons on it and it's a 4 pack instead of 6
Do that side
Triple DC is the meta @sick sentinel
lime mantle
@celest gate imagine not havin 3 BoM.
celest gate
It's a super feelsbad for me
sick sentinel
well, in pug you never know what you can find, yesterday I was in a warrior + pally run
lime mantle
in exchange I never get TF and my mythic raid gear is for dps players
Also for ST do you also run bom3 + flurry3?
Or use BFI?
Instead of BoM
willow scarab
I'm trying to figure out exactly what I want to run for ST
This week we're allowed to actually log and i'm trying to pick the perfect azerite
according to warcraft logs it looks like 2x bom 1x DC 3x TC
and then just the best 3rd ring you can get
true wharf
Rezan's is thicc for prot right?
willow scarab
It'd be thicker as 425
celest gate
Why wouldn't you be able to just private log
willow scarab
celest gate
Regardless of what they say
lime mantle
@willow scarab x3 flurry and devastating trust me
lime mantle
It’s the full on log smash ST.
sick sentinel
@willow scarab I'm okay with a second dc but a third is too much
I would use MS over a third dc any day
willow scarab
HEy don't shoot me I'm just the messanger
lime mantle
I have 2 of those, one with bfi and flurry and the other with BoM dc
lime mantle
(I did get crystalline however and bulwark)
sick sentinel
Who was it
willow scarab
radsangrygf
sick sentinel
@lime mantle UF>carapace
lime mantle
For dps yeah, but I wanted (some) survival
lime mantle
Wait what
willow scarab
I love crit
lime mantle
EarthLink vs globules vs haven tho?
sick sentinel
@willow scarab I give absolutely no shits on how the top warrior thinks
Nerfclap was top and he is fucking clueless
@lime mantle earthlink
willow scarab
nerf top again now
sick sentinel
Warrior is so good right now, you can can have absolutely no idea about how your spec gears
willow scarab
I don't know if it's because I started using crit gems/enchants or because I pay more attention
But I parry a good amount of shit
sick sentinel
Crit is really good
stark sage
parry is strong against melee attacks, but some times you cant rely on it or a boss's threatening damage isnt from melee
willow scarab
I wonder how much magic damage will be in rise of azshara
sick sentinel
So I would prefer to gear towards big trash pulls
willow scarab
That's so fucking juicy dude
willow scarab
ionic fern
😂
lime mantle
@modern brook post ur leech
oak heart
@willow scarab (or anyone) what's that addon that shows all the azerite traits in the tooltip?
willow scarab
it's fuckin a lot of leech
modern brook
@lime mantle
willow scarab
I don't know I bulk downloaded addons when I came back to game
maybe it's part of elvui
lime mantle
@modern brook post. Your. Leech’s
oak heart
I have elvui and not have that on the tooltips
oak heart
Thank you
warm plinth
🗞
lime mantle
Leech is Bis for arms
chilly brook
Arms in defensive stance with leech > BDK
chilly brook
Lol
weary nacelle
hey guys, i wanted to ask which 'boons' do you guys use? That' the passive buff u can get from Loa of Expectations achievment.
and does it work for m+, raiding, etc,
chilly brook
You mean the crap you get during questing zones?
weary nacelle
ye
chilly brook
People actually use those?
weary nacelle
no idea, i just noticed i have one.. and its probably been there forever
chilly brook
Afaik I don’t think they work in instanced content
modern brook
if ur no gonk ur wonk
umbral forge
@sick sentinel should I change away from anime pfp or is anime pfp part of my identity now?
modern brook
tbh
chilly brook
He’s talking about the buffs in the questing zones not the passive from being zandalari @modern brook
lime mantle
@umbral forge cropped Hentai. Next evolutions
vocal elm
When tanking in raids should you pop Avatar on CD only when you are tanking or pop it on CD no matter what?
chilly brook
Ok I won’t @modern brook
Yes pop it on CD
There’s no reason to hold it
You get it back fast
brisk ferry
I recommend monitoring your threat if you're not the current active tank though
chilly brook
Unless it’s active mitigation or a mitigation CD pop it on CD
Nah
Make the other tank get better
xD
brisk ferry
I pulled off BDK all night last night
oh I agree
but if it's a pug, they won't get better
warm plinth
Yeah, hopefully you don't have a bad co-tank.
lime mantle
@brisk ferry tell him to press his buttons more than once a year
chilly brook
Tell him to taunt xD
vocal elm
Ok thats what I thought. Just reviewing our new Prot tanks logs and his Avatar usage is lower than mine, but he seems to be using Avatar only when he is tanking. Just wanted to make sure before I give him a list of things to improve on
chilly brook
Just throw him a discord invite, we’ll be the bad guys 😉
vocal elm
You guys helped me when I first started prot tanking at the beginning of the tier. 😉
rotund heart
Regarding logs, best to post in here or log-review channel? Prot specific tips etc.
vocal elm
Probably the most helpful class discord im a part of
chilly brook
Log review is where they’re supposed to go
Here is probably your best bet though
No one will really get on you for asking for prot help by linking a log in here
rotund heart
Okay, thank you sir!
vocal elm
I have a good understanding of the class and can review most of his logs. It was just the one question on Avatar. I've always popped on CD no matter what, but can see an argument for popping only when tanking. So wanted more input from other prot warrior
chilly brook
Basically if it has a CD don’t hold onto it
vocal elm
Yeah thats what I was thinking
modern brook
you can hold avatar like 10 seconds
for larger AoE
nothing else is really worth it
vocal elm
This is all Raid scenarios though. Not much large AoE like M+
chilly brook
Unless you’re not tanking and SW or Last Stand is coming off cd
modern brook
A n g e r m a n a g e m e n t
chilly brook
Don’t needlessly pop those
That being said don’t underestimate the lengths people will go in this game to sand bag
sick sentinel
I was pinged
sick sentinel
Stick to it
umbral forge
gucci
umbral forge
@sand condor
https://i.imgur.com/3FaV5Bi.jpg I made a meme about tonight.
umbral forge
haha
shy sigil
So I've used Quick Navigation since I picked up prot warrior but I've noticed a lot of the top dudes on raider.io are running Siphoning. Can't find any resource on how worth it is to run, but something is clearly making it more desirable. Anyone know what's good?
sand egret
Ah shit, here we go again.
shy sigil
Is this a common topic?
old zephyr
Don't use leach It's a meme
Top dude are mostly dk that rerolled and miss thé sustain
shy sigil
lol
warm plinth
In all seriousness though, please do not stack leech unless it's already on your highest ilevel gear.
It has exactly 0 ilevels worth of value
shy sigil
I'm scrolling up and seeing a lot of people talking about leech. This is probably worth putting in faq lol
sand egret
At a certain threshold of damage output to damage intake relative to the tanks health pool, Leech provides value in that case to allow the healers to forgo X-additional gcds of healing in light of dps. Simply put, it's a very top end strat (with questionable merit) that doesn't apply to 99% of Prot warriors
"don't try and copy high-end r.io" is really the start
strat*
old zephyr
These high end tanks also don't facetank anything
warm plinth
If we put it in the FAQ, we'd just get "why does the FAQ say leech is bad when I see Nerfclap running 12%"
sand egret
trying to beat back the rain, really ¯_(ツ)_/¯
exotic spoke
You can’t fix stupid ghash
warm plinth
Sure can't. I'm a prime example.
red wedge
It always just makes me laugh when people compare themselves to players world first type content.
to players doing world first type content, rather.
sand egret
It isn't a matter of stupid, tbh
exotic spoke
Quick aside - no spoilers but holy shit Avengers and GoT
exotic spoke
No, but just in general Bladesong I mean that people will always want to do what they see better / more progressed people do - even if they don’t understand why / can’t pull it off themselves
exotic spoke
Agree the why is important but if they won’t even read the guide fully it’s hard to assist by adding more info
sand egret
then it's already a defeatist argument
the point of the guide is the assumption that it is read
exotic spoke
Sorry, let me rephrase a little. Yes adding something to the guide will alleviate some of the issues.
However, I don’t know how to address all of them. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
Should something be added? Likely.
People just don’t consciously understand that the choices certain top tier players make are dependent upon more than just their character.
sand egret
Yep, thus the best we can do is to provide that context to those who need it.
old zephyr
All of them run bargain at the mdi as well
Should you ?
Prob not
sand egret
We just live in a hand-fed world of information. You don't learn a class anymore. You read a guide that spoon-feeds a strat to you.
red wedge
Yea. The average player doesn't want to learn how to play their class. They just want to be told what to press and what to wear.
lime mantle
Highest ilvl, thunderclap
sand egret
Tbh, if our guide was wrong, there would be a fair share of people who'd just as easily peddle it without batting an eye
red wedge
;p
modern brook
idts blade
this exp alone there have been times when marok's advice was dated or incomplete and ppl were like ignore this
BoM comes to mind
umbral forge
@sand condor invites have started
neon tangle
what time is it in euroland?
sand condor
Im a pirate
neon tangle
I wish I was a pirate, but the leather chest refuses to drop for my xmog from m siege
oblique garnet
@ionic fern Did you do the 22 KR ?
ionic fern
Not yet. We did WM 23 and FH 23
Now we're going for SOTS/SoB 23
ANd then probably KR 22
ionic fern
Demo/Rogue/ROgue or Demo/rogue/dh
oblique garnet
maybe doable
oblique garnet
We just did 21 KR and the amount of adds spawning and the spit gold dot ticking so much
modern brook
My head canon is that the golden dragon is a rapper
celest gate
On waycrest, do you only need to kick the active witch, or do you have to kick others?
shut summit
Active
mortal brook
other witch dmg is less than their melee dmg tbh. and esp on necrotic weeks you dont want them meleeing
momma waycrest too. her cast isnt as hard as her melee lol
honest canopy
Friends
Anyone know if I can lvl a tauren from 1 to 120 now, to unlock the heritage armor in 8.2
or do i need to lvl in 8.2
mortal brook
nah, you have just have a tauren
warm plinth
Just need a 120 tauren and exalted with Thunder Totem
honest canopy
Aha
warm plinth
Only the allied races have to be freshly leveled
wary gyro
Thunder bluff not thunder totem
honest canopy
Ah cool
warm plinth
Yeah that, Thunder bluff 😂
mortal brook
thundertotem is mooseland
warm plinth
Yep
modern brook
Idt you need 1-120for non allied races sp you?
neon tangle
oh man that totem
modern brook
I thought you just had to do a quest line
neon tangle
maybe I should play cow
warm plinth
Allied races have to be leveled from 20 to 110
modern brook
Link for this stuff?
wary gyro
You need 20-110 for allied race heritage
warm plinth
And then you get the quest to unlock the heritage armor
honest canopy
Oh
Looks amazing
Wonder if its just Leather tho
or how does heritage armor works?
mortal brook
wear the thunderbluff tabard from the vendor and youll have exalted np
warm plinth
Heritage armor can be used by any class.
wary gyro
It can be applied to any armor type
honest canopy
Oh
neon tangle
afaik the other heritage armor isn't limited to an armor class
honest canopy
I soo will drop my panda
warm plinth
It doesn't change its appearance at all though, so even if you're a warrior, it'll still look like that.
honest canopy
Will be messy playing fury tho
mortal brook
imagine playing panda
honest canopy
2x swords and a totem
wary gyro
I'm still waiting for the totem weapon tmog
warm plinth
Ikr
mortal brook
you can have 2 totems! the TB one and the highmountain costmetic totem
neon tangle
@wary gyro I've been waiting for that since vanilla
wary gyro
Same sad
honest canopy
Nothing wrong with panda
warm plinth
Which slot is the highmountain one on? Headpiece?
honest canopy
neon tangle
the original cinematic with a tauren smashing someone with t totem
mortal brook
its not an armor slot, its just a wearable item
wary gyro
They have the model already with baine/cairns weapons they just need to give it to us
warm plinth
Oh I see
neon tangle
I know about those, still prefer the bigass one from the heritage armor
mortal brook
but now you can have 2!
warm plinth
And the heritage armor one is on the cloak which is probably the most hidden piece of gear, so if people don't want it they can easily hide it.
neon tangle
I used the bloodtotem sometimes tho
mortal brook
i liked the skyhorn one
wicked ruin
does anyone know what's the WA that marks interruptable enemies and associates each mark with a player in group chat?
ionic fern
I'm using this one
It automatically marks enemies so you can assign marks on voice.
wicked ruin
yeah i saw that one, but it doesnt do the chat thing, which i find very usefull when pugging without voice. thx anyway bro
oblique garnet
Ayy mwahi i see youre man of culture aswell using the same one as i do
trail urchin
guys I have a question, just imported zen tracker and don't know which group spell reflect applies for ?
inland mesa
ugh, our 5th was traveling last night so we tried pugging keys and scuffed a 20 WCM, 20 UR made me sad. Tried resetting tree boss and 5 fires despawned as they hit them and didn't count....
warm plinth
Neither
warm plinth
Do you have any allied races unlocked?
warm plinth
I like Mag'har. I wouldn't recommend Tauren/HMT because slow races just feel slow
warm plinth
Yeah
oblique garnet
Belf
mortal brook
swap to tauren, get the heritage armor 😄
honest canopy
Il do it later
Belf is cool
only like the male model tho
You are belf male right late? Or are you female, i dont remember
tranquil cedar
*big races feel slow
honest canopy
Thats valid tho
warm plinth
Except for Kul Tirans. Because they got chicken legs
honest canopy
haha
oblique garnet
@honest canopy belf has only one gender and thats female
honest canopy
ha
exotic spoke
It’s all about goblin if you’re horde
warm plinth
Hey if you race change to goblin, you'll be unique. Because you'll be the only person playing a goblin.
exotic spoke
wow.... my alt is a goblin warrior
warm plinth
Especially if you make it a female goblin
exotic spoke
warm plinth
That is some fugly shit right there
exotic spoke
More mobility and more haste
TAKE THAT BACK!
Thanks
Just wait until I get my t3 shoulders. Then both warriors will be in full t3
Honestly, I don’t know what I’d play horde side as a warrior other than goblin
hoary rune
Whats a respectable shield block uptime for a prot warrior for say a 3 min single target boss fight in m+?
celest gate
Depends on haste you have and times you need it
hoary rune
example soulbound goliath high tyranical keys
so you pretty much want to maximize uptime
hoary rune
Lets say resetting at 30
celest gate
And are you counting last stand as shield block uptime
hoary rune
no just looking for SB only
I'm just trying to compare to prot paladin sotr uptimes
its apples and oranges i know
warm plinth
That's really a harder number to give, since you should be using Last Stand to fill in gaps when SB is unavailable.
hoary rune
I'm just curious about what an avg SB uptime is usually like
celest gate
If you have lust up it's very high
hoary rune
true
warm plinth
Bolster has the exact same effect as Shield Block in terms of mitigation, so you should really be counting that as well.
hoary rune
I don't play a prot warrior at a high level (not played one in awhile)
warm plinth
Last Stand basically becomes a rotational ability with bolster talented.
celest gate
And if the key is high enough you should easily get two last stands
hoary rune
but last I did I seem to recall having mitigation up almost 90% of the time
celest gate
In the boss rotation
Just don't drop mitigation on a high stack crush
Or it will hurt
hoary rune
Yep
I'm finding the melee attacks are killing me on the prot paladin
when no active mitigation (SotR) is up
melee hits for 350k
I'm just trying to compare toolkits a bit
hoary rune
Yep I have work to do for sure 😃
celest gate
Idk for prot pally options
hoary rune
This WM+22 kicked my ass last night so just trying to figure out what I need to do to live and I know prot warriors are pretty much the 'meta' at the moment so looking at how they survive these high keys
celest gate
Are you dying on healer getting rooted or are they cat forming it?
exotic spoke
We have a shit ton of mitigation uptime and stacking mitigation.
Shield block x3 into last stand (with bolster)
Is the AM rotation.
warm plinth
I imagine with a paladin you use ardent defender to fill in gaps in uptime.
hoary rune
Its just melee hits since I'm saving SotR charges for Crush's so sometimes SotR isn't up for melee attacks then I get 1 shot pretty much for 350k
ya I'll have to do that
warm plinth
Although obviously that's not as good of a filler as Last Stand is, since Last Stand is essentially the same as our active mitigation, whereas SotR is a lot better than what, 20% damage reduction from AD?
hoary rune
ya AD is 20%
celest gate
Lower stacks potentially? And then rotate healer/defensives
Kind of like underrot 2nd boss
hoary rune
Yep
celest gate
For healing
exotic spoke
You’re having problems on your paladin you said?
celest gate
Have you tried the pally discord?
celest gate
What did they suggest?
exotic spoke
Can’t help you with paladins unfortunately :(
But yeah, our AM is up a lot. Whenever last stand isn’t we have shield wall / likely demo / other things.
hoary rune
Pretty much the same things. Need to keep defensives up for melee and crush's and drag boss into fire to reset stacks when no mitigation available.
hoary rune
Yep
exotic spoke
What comp do you normally run with?
hoary rune
Thank you everyone for the great advice!
prot paladin, resto druid, ele shaman, rogue, DH
celest gate
Dh easy taunt run around
exotic spoke
Or with blur or whatever shit they have.
celest gate
Tyrannical would still be a one shot melee
hoary rune
ya we'll most likely need to use some combination of those
hoary rune
ya
exotic spoke
Oh o know if it gets a hit. Don’t they have something to party all attacks or dodge
hoary rune
blade turning
celest gate
You could also darkness cover a CD
hoary rune
lasts 1 second
celest gate
And pray fornrng
exotic spoke
Ah fair, I thought it was longer.
hoary rune
so he'd have to time the melee swing just right 😃
exotic spoke
Just needs to not suck obviously
hoary rune
😄
celest gate
😡
exotic spoke
Meanwhile - I’m dreading Siege tonight
hoary rune
Thank you all again. Very good info and thanks for not making me feel stupid asking this in the warrior discord 😃
celest gate
I'm dreading my 19 kr
sand condor
asking anything here makes you stupid
talking here makes you stupid too
but we are all stupid
so thatsg ood
exotic spoke
20 siege :(. Did a 19 TD for it
celest gate
At least td is giga
exotic spoke
TD is easy yeah. I hate that first boss
celest gate
First boss is soothe
exotic spoke
Meh, I hate it the most out of any of them
exotic spoke
Zero issues for us. No one got really close to dying either. Safe guarded healer and spriest pretty much on CD
exotic spoke
Oof
oblique garnet
Yikes
exotic spoke
We’ll see. We don’t run many sieges. So probably won’t improve on our other failed 20 siege by much
oblique garnet
How do you die that many times on the 3rd platform when you can root the tentacles and they dont do the hull cracker
exotic spoke
One fewer death and you may have had it timed - depending on when it happened on last platform / if they do enough dps to push it a second faster
ionic fern
Wait, can you? That's actually news to me
oblique garnet
Yus
exotic spoke
Seriously?
oblique garnet
Yes
exotic spoke
Holy shit that’ll help.
oblique garnet
Cant have anyone breaking the roots tho
lusty grotto
exotic spoke
Just on last one because they don’t do hullbreaker?
Everyone just tunnels gripping?
oblique garnet
I mean technically you can root the others too but theres no way you make the timer on 2nd platform
You can make it on last platform because you kill the first demo then you go for gripping if the demo is in bad spot you root the demo keep tunneling gripping
exotic spoke
Tank stays on gripping too? Or swap back to demo?
celest gate
Wtf
oblique garnet
Pretty much
exotic spoke
Hrmm, ok
honest canopy
Btw
celest gate
Also, how do you guys deal with the trash before last spotter pack, there's two mobs that give a 25% heal reduction disease, do you just nuke them?
honest canopy
We are progressing Mekka RN
oblique garnet
Dispels
honest canopy
We are doing a dual blood DK tank setup and i play fury.... never the less.
honest canopy
Our strat is to grip the bots away from the melee/tanks, just stand in one place
near the stairs
exotic spoke
That seems the norm
honest canopy
I really dislike this startegy, since we never move, P2 is a complete caos everytime and we get die at 25%
exotic spoke
It’s what we’re doing as we progress
honest canopy
We just cant handle the robots+sheeps+flying shit in p2 cus we get so clogged up and if someone dies its a wipe
But i guess this is what ppl usually do?
errant shuttle
dont get hadokened
exotic spoke
Seems like it. I was running towards that hoping someone would call me on it
Popping reflect just to troll people
errant shuttle
if u have people that cant wasd just place a marker on your best performing melee and range to micro manage players i guess
honest canopy
Today i got smashes 3 Times by our DH
errant shuttle
stomped on?
exotic spoke
Rip
errant shuttle
tell him to not blade dance
it counts as movement
just like ww cant do brucelee kicks
outer dew
I mean
You are still splitting into two groups right?
Small near stair. Big near stack point
errant shuttle
think hes talking about dh getting big
exotic spoke
We have 3. Two ranged groups slightly off set. One sliver one non
errant shuttle
or at elast thats what im assuming
paper holly
guys if i timed a 15 in 1 spec and did that same 15 in another spec, will i get io ?
errant shuttle
yea
paper holly
ah neat
errant shuttle
its spec locked