protection

[exotic spoke]

Technically less than that because I’m the rankings I show up as 2084

[lusty grotto]

i need to socket 😦

[exotic spoke]

76 NA alliance warriors ahead of me in IO score

So yes, there are enough prot warrior tanks who can do it on NA alliance. Fuck all the nay sayers! @weary thorn

[lusty grotto]

yeah im an undercover prot

on my rogue

[umbral forge]

this is bloody awesome

[trim bay]

Hey guys. What's the addon that tells you the path to take with the correct trash pulls for dungeons?

[lusty grotto]

👍

[weary thorn]

I thought it was a legitimate questions since I always hear bitching about NA m+ queues

NA aliiance queues that is

[lusty grotto]

uhhh...

there's an addon that does that?

so basically RIP MDT?

[weary thorn]

pretty sure hes asking about MDT

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure he implied the addon does it for him

so no MDT

[weary thorn]

no, you inferred that

[exotic spoke]

Meh, I think it’s an issue for lower / mid keys than higher. Most higher keys have dedicated groups or use the disc to find them

[lusty grotto]

listen

all im saying is MDT isnt it

[weary thorn]

people who dont know MDT wouldnt know that you have to import runs

[lusty grotto]

no MDT okay?

MDT is clearly not it

[oblique garnet]

correct paths

There is not one correct path

[lusty grotto]

as in Method Dungeon Tools

[umbral forge]

Just follow the bloody tank

[lusty grotto]

you know MDT

[trim bay]

Yea correct paths not do it for me lol.

I'll check out mdt

Thanks :)

[weary thorn]

jettom, what is he is the tank

and like a lieutenant on a land nav course, he gets hopelessly lost

[lusty grotto]

hello alliance friends, do you want to invite Nimchy the cute NELF

[umbral forge]

Nimchip are you well

[lusty grotto]

also night warrior

undercover night warrior

[umbral forge]

you're acting weird

[lusty grotto]

wait i should update the io for her

[umbral forge]

why would you play nelf warrior

[lusty grotto]

nimchy is a rogue, who is an undercover prot warrior

[umbral forge]

Is that your OC on Moonglade?

[lusty grotto]

uhhh...

there's only 1 nimchy, you're not gonna fool me

wew a whole 171 raider io

LMAO

[weary thorn]

the fuck is that dead realm

11th?

[lusty grotto]

ahahahaha

holy shit

[weary thorn]

you could just not do m+ and still be top 20 at that point

[lusty grotto]

https://raider.io/characters/us/black-dragonflight/Nimchy

rofl

the #1 rogue has 1200 io

the rest have 700 or less

i feel bad for alliance

[weary thorn]

thats super rough

[exotic spoke]

Second place spriest on my server is under 1200

[sick sentinel]

the real fun is in good realms like dreanor or TN

i try to keep myself intop5 but nilsson on my realm 😦

[lusty grotto]

who?

dont answer that

[weary thorn]

apparently nilsson holds all of the top 5 slots

[sick sentinel]

in silvermoon it was easy to rank1 cause alliance

xd

horde is competition more fun for me

[exotic spoke]

Second place resto Druid isn’t even 1500 on my server.

Looking at the ranks for different classes really drives the point home that my server is fuckkng dead

[weary thorn]

shit my realm aint much better. I'm 1 horde dps warrior at 1111.4 fury io

[oblique garnet]

Keeping rank 1 on draenor is too much effort

[weary thorn]

and I dont go fury that often

[exotic spoke]

I’m number one overall tank on server at 2114

[oblique garnet]

It pains me that most of the top 5 tanks on draenor are not utilizing warrior to the best potential

[exotic spoke]

Second place warrior tank is 750+ points below me 😦

[weary thorn]

dang riki, kick of your boots and relax

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet now im sad 😦

[exotic spoke]

Nah - gotta push. More 20s

9th prot warrior isn’t even 1k

Its a shit server

[oblique garnet]

Ik melva

Stop kiting when you dont have to @sick sentinel 😃

[sick sentinel]

😦

i play safe

i still pug dude

[lusty grotto]

what is kiting

is that something VDHs and BDKs do?

imagine blocking damage

[modern brook]

3x wits?? 👀

[oblique garnet]

Youre also running bloodsports 😪

[lusty grotto]

sir, i go by raidbots

[sick sentinel]

yeah my healers isnt great

[exotic spoke]

We are basically the only mythic guild on server and only 6/9. The other one blew up after their officer core decided they didn’t want to any more

[sick sentinel]

amount of damage i have to heal myself is insane

[lusty grotto]

👀

gross

bloodsport 🤢

[oblique garnet]

🤔

Just dont take damage

[manic eagle]

^ I approve of this

[oblique garnet]

Too much effort to get my rank 1 spot back cba pushing everyday

[neon tangle]

@lusty grotto my terrible rogue would be 44 on your dead server

[lusty grotto]

late

youre letting bloodsport kiters

[neon tangle]

and I haven't done half the dungeons yet

[lusty grotto]

in there

what is wrong with you

yeah sadbox lol

[neon tangle]

and #3 alliance

I wonder for my old server

[manic eagle]

Server rankings 🤔

[oblique garnet]

@lusty grotto its fine they can have their glory i just know they are all fotm rerollers 8)

[lusty grotto]

someone that kites and has leech is disgusting

[exotic spoke]

I’m going for top 50 NA alliance prot now

[lusty grotto]

😢

[oblique garnet]

Well all but herudra are basically fotm rerollers

[lusty grotto]

im glad we're getting nerfed so they all fotm reroll the fuck out

😉

[oblique garnet]

I think 3 of the top 10 on draenor are from the guild i am in

[weary thorn]

what If I mained warrior in vanilla through cata but only came back in BfA?

fotm resubber?

[exotic spoke]

Not FoTM then unless you mained something else

[lusty grotto]

sry only vanilla through bfa allowed

[weary thorn]

danggit

[lusty grotto]

so basically me

[manic eagle]

@weary thorn then you missed the glory that was Antorus prot warrior

[weary thorn]

I've heard I missed many good times

we have a rogue in our guild that has only played rogue since vanilla

not just that, but only that one rogue

no other characters

[lusty grotto]

yeah well

that guy deserves a beer

[exotic spoke]

I played a little in each expac. Only mained warrior. And did log in during each expac. But only barely in wod and maybe half of panda

[lusty grotto]

i at least have had numerous alts

but 100% only main warrior

[exotic spoke]

I don’t. Only ever really played this char

[neon tangle]

I tend to swap each xpac

I've mained bear, enh shaman, mm hunter, prot warrior, now BDK

[weary thorn]

ive got a bear, vdh, bdk, and brm up to 120 along with the woyer. But I really only play the warrior (and do a 10 a week on the brm)

[neon tangle]

my 120s right now are warrior, dk, hunter, rogue

only play the DK and rogue tho

[weary thorn]

yea I dont have the time to keep everybody up on ilvl and ap

way too grindy

[neon tangle]

"play the DK" is sorta an overstatement, he's 415ilvl and close to 50 neck level

so I just log in for raids right now

[exotic spoke]

I’ve stopped going for AP. Close to 50 and feel like it’s not worth it yet because then when I fail my rerolls I won’t get anything if I max it out

[neon tangle]

the catchup mechanics are real tho

[exotic spoke]

Yup

[neon tangle]

very little effort and my rogue is 44 neck lvl

just islands + emissary quests

[median abyss]

Second Bloodsport vs first Blood Rite for m+ 20+ keys only?

[oblique garnet]

Get rid of bloodsport

[median abyss]

no thanks i'm good. First Blood Rite it is

[oblique garnet]

You dont really need defensive traits

Maybe in like 25

If even then

[lusty grotto]

i feel like we're heading into the leech discussion again

how are you guys only getting bloodsport pieces

when there are many pieces with IF, MS, DC, even TC

with so much residuum going into the bank you'd think they would try to roll for better traits

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel unlucky key

[sick sentinel]

yeah that

idk

i will try to get rid of bloodsports now

[oblique garnet]

Well tbf

[sick sentinel]

lets go your way

[oblique garnet]

Motherlode is pretty much the only key where you gain benefit from them

[sick sentinel]

i know 3rd boss sucks ass

[lusty grotto]

i can't argue with that

[sick sentinel]

well the thing is like

well it might be excuse tho

[oblique garnet]

You shouldve just ran when you got the 2 peacekeepers while they had charged claws

[sick sentinel]

yeah

that was mb aswell well after the pull i just kinda gave up

that pull even if i lived after that it was reaping

3 assasins

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

Your rotation was on point tho👌🏻

[sick sentinel]

started doing keys like after i transfered horde so

i lack knowledge of dungeon which i know

its fine tho 😄 just trying to get better

also i dont fotm i always play prot warrior 💪

except one tier tho antorus

[oblique garnet]

Yeah it was noticeable

You actually used ss on cd even in aoe

[lusty grotto]

i like you then

just dont fall into the trap of NA Leech

😢

[sick sentinel]

nah i know leech is a meme

but i used bloodsports cause ST healers of most healers in pugs are low

i use bloodsport not for leech

for 10k more IP

[lusty grotto]

why have i been saying leech so much today, is it backwards friday lol

[sick sentinel]

even after i charge people get rage and all that sometimes i just die cause

[oblique garnet]

You gotta trust in the healers

[sick sentinel]

maybe i should just accept that i can do better and believe

yeah

[oblique garnet]

Even when im pugging im pulling like i would with premade

I was doing wcm earlier and pulled everything in raals room with the boss and only took 4.3m damage

Which is not alot

[sick sentinel]

i never had group including legion

pugs ❤

[oblique garnet]

Yeah kinda stopped pugging for score because cba getting on discord with randoms

[crisp slate]

Anybody have a spell reflect "list" for M+

[oblique garnet]

@crisp slate #268491842637660160

[crisp slate]

Got it - ty

[errant shuttle]

hello prot war

how do u guys deal with zul in kr?

[oblique garnet]

Spam ip demoshout and sr

[errant shuttle]

everytime i pull him i feel him chunking my asshole and making it bigger

we timed a 17 kr but killed me

[oblique garnet]

Yeah thats what he does

[errant shuttle]

and rogue ended up using cloak and tanking

[oblique garnet]

You just gotta take it like a man

[errant shuttle]

there was nothing i could do

only used mana to ip

and i even shield wallled

he went through me

[lusty grotto]

🤔 mana

[errant shuttle]

rage*

[lusty grotto]

do you have a soothe?

[oblique garnet]

Healer didnt heal enough

[errant shuttle]

yea we have rdruid and bm

[lusty grotto]

cause he will absolutely fucking destroy you when raging

[errant shuttle]

but im pretty sure i died

[oblique garnet]

Madman goes to kr on raging week without a soothe

[lusty grotto]

are you keeping demo up

[errant shuttle]

cause he enraged while casting his bs at me

[lusty grotto]

demo up, SR on cd

[chilly brook]

I wanna die already

[lusty grotto]

wall/bark when those aren't available

LS/Rallying Cry to help out

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel 20KR with 5 prots lets go?

[chilly brook]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

I was pinged

NOW?

[warm plinth]

Nimchip, I hate to say but Stewart is just not as easily identifiable as SantaChefChip

[sick sentinel]

YES

[oblique garnet]

20 kings rest!??

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel

[lusty grotto]

i did a 15 KR iirc and had to wall/coccoon with raging because we didn't have soothe

[oblique garnet]

5 prots

Letsgo

[lusty grotto]

damn it ghash

[oblique garnet]

Can we reflect spit gold?

[chilly brook]

I don’t think so

[sick sentinel]

idk

[oblique garnet]

Or does it even happen with 5 tanks

[lusty grotto]

alright im gonna make a new profile pic this weekend

[warm plinth]

No?

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[lusty grotto]

poor Stewart

he wanted his time to shine

[errant shuttle]

zul more of a boss than the king at the end

king legit does 2 dmg

[lusty grotto]

zul is easy this week

its not fort

[oblique garnet]

Miss one sb during the combo and die on the last boss tho

[lusty grotto]

or brage the first one like a retard

then get fucked in the ass by blade combo on the 2nd fear

cough

i may have done that this week

cough

[errant shuttle]

how high key is it for him to fuck u with bladecombo?

[lusty grotto]

but i didnt die 😉

[errant shuttle]

pretty sure i fucked a sb up and only had ip but it was a 17

[lusty grotto]

you dont block when you give your back to him

[empty inlet]

if you have shield block blade combo doesn't do anything 😃

[lusty grotto]

fear -> run away -> no block

warrior 101

[oblique garnet]

You cant also block when feared or stunned

[errant shuttle]

im not talking about that comment

someone said no shield block when he combos and it hurts

[ionic fern]

Jeah, that's kinda bullshit..gotta nuke him down real fast or hope for a good overlap

[empty inlet]

what do you mean

[sick sentinel]

late

[lusty grotto]

nah just brage the 2nd one

[sick sentinel]

when are we going

[empty inlet]

you have shield wall and berzerker rage

[oblique garnet]

Probably not today

[empty inlet]

if you die on that boss you fucked up some where

[oblique garnet]

We need to assemble 3 more competent eu prots

[ionic fern]

Alliance? 😉

[empty inlet]

😉

[oblique garnet]

You wish

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[ionic fern]

😦

[errant shuttle]

my healers stream told me i can reset taunt with heroic leap

[ionic fern]

Yes you can.

[empty inlet]

yes

[lusty grotto]

you can

its on the tooltip

[errant shuttle]

mine is macroed lol

so i dont have

[lusty grotto]

#showtooltip

[errant shuttle]

2k io without know what half my spells do

prot war op

[oblique garnet]

Remixx is that you?

[errant shuttle]

even monkies can do keys if u pick up shield and sowrd

[lusty grotto]

....

i dont like this guy

[empty inlet]

yes press shield block and clap

😃

[lusty grotto]

probably one of those kids that got fucked in the ass s1

[errant shuttle]

i didnt do keys in s1

[lusty grotto]

of course you didnt

[errant shuttle]

just fury raided

arms/fury raider

but bod dps war is ass

and we have too many casters

so im sat on jaina T-T

[empty inlet]

raiding in legion = 😃
raiding in bfa = 😦

[errant shuttle]

so now im prot war for M+

learn something new everyday

didnt know heroic toss didnt have cd for prot spec

thought it was 8 sec like fury for longest time

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck is heroic toss

[errant shuttle]

heroic throw?

heroic through my axe at target

throw*

[sick sentinel]

The joke that I am going to kill is that we don't use HT

[chilly brook]

Wait uhhhh

[lusty grotto]

i use it to pull, thats it

[exotic spoke]

We don’t?

[chilly brook]

The tooltip should still show up if you have it macroed

All mine do

[errant shuttle]

i prob dont have show tooltip

[lusty grotto]

yeah its called #showtooltip

[errant shuttle]

or if i do

i just dont read

cause y read heroic leap

its just a leap

[chilly brook]

But it’s not

[sick sentinel]

Well now u know

[errant shuttle]

from fury viewpoint

[exotic spoke]

So you know it resets taunt

[sick sentinel]

Reading ur spells

[chilly brook]

And you should read all your tooltips

So you know what they are

[oblique garnet]

Did you know heroic throw also has increased threat gen so you can use it to get aggro better 😃

[empty inlet]

is that how it works

[errant shuttle]

that one i know

i read 2 weeks ago intercept protects

target

opop

[lusty grotto]

ok bro

we get it

you didnt know shit

[sick sentinel]

I think we all know that, but did u know BoM automatically replaces all buttons with TC

[lusty grotto]

and got carried to whatever key level you're doing

its fine, lets move on

[errant shuttle]

how does a tank get carried tho

[exotic spoke]

Kinda? Only if you stay within range and or have safeguard

[lusty grotto]

imagine it takes 5 people to beat a key

and a tank is 1 out of 5

math checks out

[sick sentinel]

[errant shuttle]

yea but the tank is the one that sets route and holds aggro

so if tank bad

doesnt everyone just die?

[exotic spoke]

Aggro is super easy to hold

And tanks don’t have to set pathing lol

[sick sentinel]

A tank with a pulse is good enough

[errant shuttle]

i see

im taking notes

[chilly brook]

I mean aggro isn’t hard and routes are general knowledge tbh

Even DPS know routes

[lusty grotto]

gets destroyed by zul on tyrannical weeks

[errant shuttle]

^

[lusty grotto]

prot warrior ez

[chilly brook]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

??????

[errant shuttle]

i mean if i IP shield and sr for each channel

and die

pretty sure there is nothing else i can do

[lusty grotto]

demo shout

[errant shuttle]

^

[sick sentinel]

wall

[errant shuttle]

no shit

thats

shield wall*

[lusty grotto]

what?

[empty inlet]

you run

[chilly brook]

Commanding shout

[empty inlet]

hello ?

[chilly brook]

Last stand

Health pot

[errant shuttle]

i exhausted the entire dr line up

[chilly brook]

Cookie

[empty inlet]

litertly use heroic leap and shield wall

and run to 2nd boss

[chilly brook]

External

[empty inlet]

get rogue to soak the ecircle

😃

[errant shuttle]

everything u guys are listing to me right

now

i used

for each barrage

[lusty grotto]

its zul on a 17

[errant shuttle]

i got my external

IDK MAN

[lusty grotto]

he shouldn't be dying

its not fort week

[empty inlet]

YOUO RUN

[neon tangle]

@errant shuttle at a basic levels playing a tank is more about not fucking up and knowing routes, it's really hard to communicate how much easier it is to tank with good dps + healers tho

[empty inlet]

fort week is actually easier

[lusty grotto]

no need to run at all this week

[empty inlet]

because the first 45 second you have lust

[lusty grotto]

the fuck are you running for

[errant shuttle]

18 3rd boss on ml tryannical was a cake walk

compared

to the fucking zul

that raped me

[exotic spoke]

Zul shouldn’t be destroying you on tyrannical weeks

[chilly brook]

Just be a man, stick your face in Zul’s chest and motorboat that troll

[empty inlet]

ehe

after 20 zul is actually hard

if you dont have another sooth

[exotic spoke]

Sure he sucks, but not destroying.

[errant shuttle]

gotta revisit it then

might be a healing issue

cause i used everything

[chilly brook]

Get a balance Druid in there and have him help your healer

[empty inlet]

than you have balance druid for the rest of the dungeon

[errant shuttle]

^

[exotic spoke]

Spriest ovbv

[errant shuttle]

was just getting an opinion of zul

[chilly brook]

I thought balance was good tho

[lusty grotto]

i think you guys are misspelling Sub Rogue

[empty inlet]

if your healer sucks on zul you just kite

easy solution

[errant shuttle]

cause i was having trouble with zul on

fort as well

[exotic spoke]

You two probably aren’t communicating what cooldowns you’re using and when so they overlap

[errant shuttle]

most likely

[chilly brook]

Wait for real

Is balance no longer considered good?

[modern brook]

wtf is this advice

[empty inlet]

i think balance is p bad esp in fort weeks

[exotic spoke]

Which advice bull

[empty inlet]

'they just dont do damage

[modern brook]

all of it

idek the questions

[errant shuttle]

except i call for external

so its not a communication issue on overlapping cds

[chilly brook]

But like everyone ranted and raved about balance in 8.1

[errant shuttle]

^who?

[lusty grotto]

i like how we suggest things, hes like "yeah that might be it"... then he goes "wait that's not it cause i already do it"

[chilly brook]

A lot of people who were doing keys

[exotic spoke]

Did he have it up and use it or did he pop it earlier? Do you have logs?

[neon tangle]

@chilly brook just wait until it's necro/sanguine week again

and everyone will love them

[chilly brook]

Something something treants

[errant shuttle]

i dont have logs but like i said i think the prob stemmed from him enraging mid barrage cast

[modern brook]

treants are a crutch fro bad reaping management tbh

[chilly brook]

And other “utility”

[neon tangle]

@modern brook but, necro

[chilly brook]

So you’re telling me that I’m bad

[errant shuttle]

and we most liekly didnt get soothe off in time

[modern brook]

We can face tank at 40 stacks of necro

[lusty grotto]

people are hating on boomkins cause they are riding the MDI meta train

[chilly brook]

And should drop my Druid in favor of my retadin

[modern brook]

trees are still a crutch

[lusty grotto]

can't you tell?

[modern brook]

Its not that booms are bad

[lusty grotto]

its all melee now

[errant shuttle]

i like esham over boomy

[modern brook]

its that outlaw and prot damage is nuts

[lusty grotto]

people using unholy for no fucking reason because they cant pull half as big anyway

[errant shuttle]

earth ele so clutch

[modern brook]

and doesnt require ramp up

[chilly brook]

Unholy is dope tbh

[modern brook]

the only util Balance brings over Resto is trees

and trees are rpetty whatever

[neon tangle]

I mean, nothing really compares to how broken outlaw is right now

but for casters, I enjoy having a boomie or ele shaman around

[modern brook]

the better you get at tanking the more trees become a hinderance > a boon

[errant shuttle]

^

earthele >trees

[chilly brook]

So I guess I’m gonna be playing ret then

[exotic spoke]

Earth ele can be a hindrance too in the same way. But it can be nice

[chilly brook]

That way I have actual useful utility

[modern brook]

🤷 i still wont take a retadin

[chilly brook]

Oof

[modern brook]

not cause rets bad or anything

[neon tangle]

I mean, @modern brook , it's a tool you can use, kinda like saying stuns are a hinderance because they can be used poorly

[chilly brook]

But the players are xD

[keen spire]

I would say that treants are more for necrotic management tbh

[modern brook]

My point is more that its not necessary

Trees are pretty whole a crutch

[chilly brook]

Well obv

Utility typically isn’t necessary

[neon tangle]

^^^^

[chilly brook]

Just like we didn’t need mass grip

[lusty grotto]

boomies are good in grievous/bursting as well... wild growth heals for a ton

[chilly brook]

But everyone was like “muh utility”

[neon tangle]

that's the most warrior-tank thing I've ever heard someone say

[empty inlet]

utility dont exist

[modern brook]

🤷 yall are missing the point

[chilly brook]

How are we ever gonna do dungeons without muh mass grip

@neon tangle what is??

[exotic spoke]

But my huge spell reflects >.>

I need them

[modern brook]

Trees != enough of a reason to lose outlaw /outlaw damage when u can get just as much of the utility by running resto instead

[empty inlet]

masgrip is useless all the mobs usually walk to you anyways LUL

[exotic spoke]

OmegaLUL

[modern brook]

==> boomies are not meta; qed

[neon tangle]

@chilly brook Bull talking about how utility isn't necessary because you can just get more damage instead

[empty inlet]

@errant shuttle https://clips.twitch.tv/ArtisticHelplessSnailItsBoshyTime JUST KITE LUL

[lusty grotto]

of course lala links nerf

[chilly brook]

He’s not wrong though

[modern brook]

if thats honestly what you're reading there IDK what to tellyou fam

[lusty grotto]

the guy that does leech

[modern brook]

Get new glasses

take a hooked on phonics class

etc

[neon tangle]

@modern brook anyhow, I get your point

I agree even, outlaw > boomie

[chilly brook]

He’s basically saying that no amount of utility makes up for the loss of damage for outlaw

[neon tangle]

I certainly don't -mind- bringing them tho

[modern brook]

to be clear

[chilly brook]

Or insert busted class

[modern brook]

I'm saying resto> boomie

[chilly brook]

Which is just really min maxing and there’s nothing wrong with it

[neon tangle]

and I'll still take a high rio boomie over a high rio outlaw

I mean

low rio outlaw

[chilly brook]

I just don’t feel like playing a rogue

[neon tangle]

typing is hard

also why am I defending this

I have an outlaw rogue now

[exotic spoke]

I don’t have a rogue 😦

[neon tangle]

brb pressing bladeflurry

[lime mantle]

Honestly I’d take a high r.io arms over a low r.io outlaw

[neon tangle]

@exotic spoke Be the change you want to see in the world

[errant shuttle]

@empty inlet thank you

i thought that shit was a meme

[chilly brook]

Plus I’d have to take my rogue from 110-120

[lime mantle]

(High =1.8k+ low = <1k)

[chilly brook]

And that’s a true joke

[errant shuttle]

rewatched the clip of the zul fight and i died cause a pool tick wen off as he was casting barrage

[neon tangle]

@chilly brook Next week is timewalking, right?

[chilly brook]

Oof

[neon tangle]

it takes like a day or two

[chilly brook]

Idk

[exotic spoke]

@neon tangle thats why I’m pushing with mage spriest DH as dps

[chilly brook]

Too much effort

Leveling 110-120 is a slog

I hate watching myself get weaker

[neon tangle]

with full heirlooms+buffs you get 3/4 of a level per timewalking instance

and no powerloss as you level

[sick sentinel]

Ur true meta when u go vDH/Spriestx3/Disc

[empty inlet]

freehold boost Pog

[chilly brook]

Implying that I have the gold for heirlooms

[neon tangle]

I want to believe in your ability to buy a token

[exotic spoke]

Just use the potion bug

Oh wait

[dense flame]

I haven’t run with a solid SP yet

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[dense flame]

In m+

Are decent ones good outside of ST?

[lime mantle]

Just buy rushes lmao

[neon tangle]

@dense flame Can you blame them for not being solid? Insanity is their class fantasy

[chilly brook]

$20 for gold nope

[empty inlet]

sp is only good on higher keys

[chilly brook]

I’m a college boi

[sick sentinel]

Spriest are like boomies to me, only good for 1 thing and shit when it comes just breathing

[neon tangle]

@empty inlet I feel bad for eles, etc in low keys

[chilly brook]

And I spent $30 on Dragon’s Dogma Dark Arisen for the Switch

[neon tangle]

outlaw/DH just have zero ramp

and delete all the big AoE packs

[chilly brook]

I should just play my monk

Go back to my WW roots

[sick sentinel]

Wanna hear a joke? Boomy aoe

[exotic spoke]

The mass dispel is nice, fort too, plus solid dps, extra ccs, and all that

[umbral forge]

I've been rerolling to Spriest.
We can do some pretty crazy shit.
But then a melee DPS deletes stuff before I can do my crazy shit.

[chilly brook]

Go make videos again and get 100k views on a WW guide like back in WoD

[sick sentinel]

I still find it crazy that people are shocked I do dps in M+

As feral

[neon tangle]

"WHATS UP YOUTUBE THIS IS MATT COMING AT YOU WITH A HOT NEW WINDWALKER MONK VIDEO"

[exotic spoke]

At higher keys they do better Jettom because shit stays alive

[empty inlet]

Feral has pogger defensive

[chilly brook]

Meanwhile in raids ranged the is king

[sick sentinel]

Fuck care about defense

[neon tangle]

@sick sentinel implying you don't get removed when they realize you're feral instead of boomie

[sick sentinel]

The times I haven't they are like wow

Feral does damage?

[empty inlet]

That's why you take balance affinity

Walk in dungeon as a chicken

[chilly brook]

Should I link you my WW guide so you can cringe at me

[sick sentinel]

The best part, I've always been the highest dps in m+ when fighitn ANY boss on any key and unless u have a rogue or I fuck up, ur not beating my aoe damage

But nah fam, trees tho

[chilly brook]

Feral is cool and all but too many timers 4 me

I’m not smart enough to track timers

[sick sentinel]

The reason why I don't us WA is because I started playing wow as feral

[undone sun]

@chilly brook yes I can

[neon tangle]

@sick sentinel I mean on the ST bosses you'll prolly beat outlaw anyways

[chilly brook]

Wut

[neon tangle]

feral druid does more ST than outlaw

especially when outlaw takes their AoE talent

[sick sentinel]

I think the air in the dungeon can't beat outlaw ST

[chilly brook]

Oh in response to the bad pun lol

[exotic spoke]

What ST bosses?
Every boss is an AoE boss if you try hard enough

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[neon tangle]

lol

fair enough

[chilly brook]

Truth tho

[exotic spoke]

That said last in TD and KR

Def single target

[sick sentinel]

"Why is this fire mage using flamestrike on this boss"

The funniest thing I heard in low keys when someone asked something like that, the person responsed with "I'll tell u when we finish this dungeon since u clearly don't know the spec"

[celest gate]

Bringing a feral to dungeons

Ambitious

[sick sentinel]

I've already been through that road as prot, so it's like looking back in time

[celest gate]

Yeah but tanks at least are in high demand

[sick sentinel]

Say that in 8.0

[exotic spoke]

I basically stopped playing early in uldir / season 1

Just hated how we played then. It felt bad - and had to do more to be equal

[celest gate]

I get into keys as vengeance and guardian

Which are very poopy

[chilly brook]

The amount of keys that I got declined in 8.0

[exotic spoke]

I got into higher keys in legion so I could sell: then I decided to stop pushing. Why push when you can make gold selling 15s

[chilly brook]

“You’re not a DK and prot sucks”

[sick sentinel]

^

[celest gate]

Yeah but what io were you

[sick sentinel]

If I didn't delete it, id probably have 100+ ss of people saying that to me

It didn't matter in season 1

[celest gate]

Io can instantly get you invited

[exotic spoke]

^^

Nah

[sick sentinel]

It wont

[exotic spoke]

Not then

Community perception was bad

[sick sentinel]

If ur prot ur playing a bad tank

[warm plinth]

Haven't seen poyo say poyo today 🤔

[chilly brook]

Idk like 1k

[sick sentinel]

I have, earlier

[exotic spoke]

POYO

one for my homies

[warm plinth]

lol

[chilly brook]

No one in my guild did keys and I just wanted my 10s

[sick sentinel]

Poyo it out for the homies

[lusty grotto]

we called him budget wadu

you missed that ghash

[exotic spoke]

wadu hek?

[chilly brook]

I only cared for Mythic raiding

[lusty grotto]

poor poyo trying to make his mark in the world as misspelled spanish chicken

😉

[chilly brook]

Now I actually want to do keys because I can’t be bothered to make a commitment to raiding

[exotic spoke]

poyocito

[sick sentinel]

Jealous because I have the balls to start a cul-meme out of a pink ball

[celest gate]

Keys are great because its only on your time

[lusty grotto]

lol

[celest gate]

And you can flex whenever days

[exotic spoke]

Raid six hours a week. High keys for maybe 4

[chilly brook]

But it’s a little difficult to push io when people won’t take you because of your class

That was the 8.0 experience

[celest gate]

Gotta do your own key

And add good players

Classic reddit advice

[exotic spoke]

Or just play with friends

[chilly brook]

It’s not wrong advice though

Friends are bad lol

[celest gate]

I mean you get friends playing with good players

[exotic spoke]

Play with good friends

[chilly brook]

That’s always the first rule

[sick sentinel]

I don't call my lapdogs friends

But to each their own

[celest gate]

????

Unexpected vancleef

[exotic spoke]

LAPDOGS. all of you!

[sick sentinel]

I still never got how HE got popular

[exotic spoke]

But yeah - pugs didn’t want me in 8.0 then they don’t deserve me in 8.1!

[celest gate]

Just play affliction lock or sub rogue

[sick sentinel]

The burnout from 8.0 got me tired of tanking so it's why I play my main

[celest gate]

And get the renewed 8.0 feel

[exotic spoke]

I’m not a masochist

[celest gate]

Or fdk

[sick sentinel]

I feel like fdk is UR

[celest gate]

I think people are sick of breath spec

[sick sentinel]

Hell I feel like dks that aren't blood are UR

[celest gate]

Unholy is good if you pull accordingly

[chilly brook]

Your friends are always bad at the game until you find good friends

[celest gate]

What's wrong with playing with worse players?

[lusty grotto]

unholy is good only if you give them time to ramp up and pull hella big. Most people don't seem to understand that and end up riding the MDI meta train like retards.

[chilly brook]

Nothing until you want to do higher content

[lusty grotto]

just like people that said leech prior to the shitshow that nerf and glicks did

[celest gate]

This week is the giga pulls

[sick sentinel]

Remember the first MDI in ML with that unholy dk?

"Oh wow unholy is good", not it's good because they built an army of adds so he could blow the dps meters

[celest gate]

So its good

[sick sentinel]

Well 1) it was a 13 with 370 gear and 2) the pull isn't something ud do

[chilly brook]

It’s good under certain conditions

[sick sentinel]

Since the pull was dangerously large

Which in pugs and even decently formed groups wouldn't try unless u know exactly what and who to pull

And by that point ur doing a lot of other shit

[chilly brook]

There haven’t been any no healer runs yet like in legion during the mdi right?

[sick sentinel]

Give it time

[chilly brook]

Well it’s not as easy as it was in legion

DKs don’t have their “heal yourselves” button

[exotic spoke]

True. That was fucking stupid.

[sick sentinel]

Healers also didn't need to really heal since ur tank was a blood dk with Bloodrinker for healing

Or consumption

Or vamp blood

[exotic spoke]

Thiugh So was me topping healing as a prot in antorus

[sick sentinel]

Or runeblade

[chilly brook]

I actually really liked consumption

I think they should bring that iteration of it back tbh

[exotic spoke]

Did 1.4m hps on hounds once

[chilly brook]

That’s what I did with a blood DK on that fight lol

[exotic spoke]

I was prot

[sick sentinel]

A bdk got a 100 parse on mythic hounds

[chilly brook]

“Yea don’t even bother healing me guys just focus on the other tank”

[sick sentinel]

With over 10(?)M healing

[exotic spoke]

Oh, you Misunderstand

There wasn’t a second tank

[chilly brook]

I played all the tanks in Antorus but prog’d as a BrM

[exotic spoke]

So the healers where bombing me with heals. I was blowing cooldowns / IP SB etc to stay alive solo tanking - and my inspiring presence was healing the raid

[chilly brook]

Prot warrior was my second favorite

But I played a lot of DK for m+

[sick sentinel]

Wait wasn't presence that heal ur dps gets when they deal damage

[supple path]

I was in mega-casual mode back in Antorus - geared up to mythic ilvl just doing the veiled argunite turn-ins en masse. Then would join heroic pugs and hear about how warriors were garbage, but at that ilvl you basically didn't need healing in heroic. The gap between perception and actual class power was so crazy.

[chilly brook]

One day when they fix vengeance I might become a DH main

[sick sentinel]

Ok xXxIlldanielxX

[exotic spoke]

Lol. We weren’t garbage. I tried to solo tank bosses and was able to do a couple in heroic

[chilly brook]

The gap in community perception and class power is always crazy @supple path

8.0 for example

My guild was thinking I was crazy for going prot over BrM

Our gm went BrM to fill

Then we hit 120

[sick sentinel]

How many times did we show logs of the damage difference between the tanks

Cause fucking christ

[chilly brook]

And all I heard was “your class is broken you do all the damage and take none, why are you doing more damage than me?”

[sick sentinel]

Should have responded with "It smell like BITCH in here!"

[chilly brook]

Then there was “how come you can take the full combo from Zek but the monk can’t!”

[sick sentinel]

It's honestly always made me laugh when someone said, but prot is bad tho

[zinc root]

How is prot right now? Thinking about trying it out

What's stat priority?

[sick sentinel]

Its the meta

If ur planning to reroll go ahead

Reroller

[lusty grotto]

You can find all you need to know in the icy veins guide #268491842637660160, or you can ask Kaege for his summary

[supple path]

Prot's #1 for M+ (with a nerf pending, though not a disastrous one), and certainly competitive for top slots in raiding. Stat prio = close enough that ilvl > all, at same ilvl haste > crit is general preference.

[exotic spoke]

Ilvl is the stat priority.

[lusty grotto]

Also is this apex

TV in name

I think you missed a T

[zinc root]

Lmao it's olkhdas name

[sick sentinel]

He likes TV

[zinc root]

I streamed for two days

[lusty grotto]

OK fair enough

[chilly brook]

My favorite was “why do I have to heal the blood DK in Mythic dungeons more than I have to heal the prot warrior?” @sick sentinel

[zinc root]

No one watched

So I can use a my fury gear to tank?

[sand egret]

gonna have a hard time without a shield

[lusty grotto]

Probably, with trait changes and yeah what blade said

[chilly brook]

@supple path if you even wanna call it a nerf

From what I’m seeing we’re probably going to end up doing more damage

[supple path]

I joined LFR on my ilvl 360 something resto druid the other day. From that experience I can tell you that it turns out blood DKs actually just don't have heals anymore and die in 3 hits to all monsters.

[lusty grotto]

Lmao

[exotic spoke]

Ahhh I found the log! It was almost 1.5m hps

[sick sentinel]

So they die from just breathing theb

[chilly brook]

They should just make frost the tank spec again

And blood be DPS like it used to be

[lusty grotto]

But that only lasted 1 expansion

[chilly brook]

Self sustain tanks are stupid imo

An absorb tank would actually be interesting

[lusty grotto]

So were blood dks in arena

[sick sentinel]

Anyone have a clip of spell reflecting cyclone strike in ToS?

[exotic spoke]

What if they made it so that each spec could tank AND dps

[sick sentinel]

Trying to fix my positioni g for it

[exotic spoke]

If you died you were targetted

Or you reflected a jolt / burst

[supple path]

Step 1: Verify it's not targeting you. Step 2: Stand basically inside the lizard's model/in front of it

[chilly brook]

Like take the idea of IP, have it be your main AM but like not get destroyed in 3 hits

[lusty grotto]

Instructions are pretty clear in the reflect guide in #268491842637660160

[chilly brook]

Imo that’s probably what they should do with Vengwande

Vengeance*

[sick sentinel]

That's just gladitor stance and I refuse to let dks get that first before we do

[lusty grotto]

We have gladiator stance this expansion wdym

[chilly brook]

Make it carve out its own mitigation niche instead of being an amalgamation of all the worst parts of all the specs

[exotic spoke]

Nims right

[chilly brook]

It’s called arms in defensive stance

xD

[exotic spoke]

It’s prot obv

[lusty grotto]

Bootyclapping all the things

[sick sentinel]

@supple path thanks, I guess Im just too far away

[pseudo spindle]

hi guys, is spell reflect still working on TOS first boss ?

[lusty grotto]

Yea

[exotic spoke]

If you died you failed it because of either -a) it targeted you or b) you reflected the wrong thing

[sand egret]

19 lines above your question, it was answered

[chilly brook]

So who’s excited to kill Sylvanas at the end of the expansion with the second siege of orgrimmar before we go into an old god expansion?

[sand egret]

but yes, assuming you do it right, you can 😃

[inner moth]

sylvanas is life

[chilly brook]

Sylvanas is bae

[exotic spoke]

@chilly brook hello sir. Have you heard about our lord and savior N’Zoth?

[lusty grotto]

Team saurfang or gtfo

[undone sun]

👏 sylvannas 👏 did 👏 nothing 👏 wrong 👏

Jaina is the problem

[mortal brook]

all part of the master's plan

[chilly brook]

@exotic spoke hey remember when blizz was like “this isn’t an old god expansion”

[lusty grotto]

Jaina is Bae :(

[chilly brook]

Jokes

[exotic spoke]

Nah, o don’t really care about lore

[supple path]

Every time I do the Jaina fight and our NPC shittalks her for betraying her father

[undone sun]

😡 @lusty grotto

[supple path]

I'm like uhhhh you guys do remember she did that to prevent an existential crisis to the horde + world

[chilly brook]

Jaina needs to be retired

[supple path]

because her dad was like the orc's version of hitler

[pseudo spindle]

@exotic spoke if i'm targeted i can't reflect ?

[sand egret]

yes

[undone sun]

Correct

[lusty grotto]

Again

[exotic spoke]

I’m just here to kill dragons and we haven’t killed dragons in a while 😦

[mortal brook]

nah we wouldnt remember that. just like we wouldnt remember KTs and Zands getting DKs

[chilly brook]

They kinda butchered her character and sylvanas’ this expansion

[lusty grotto]

Instructions should be pretty clear in the reflect guide

[chilly brook]

Same with Nathanis

[exotic spoke]

@pseudo spindle correct. It’s explained in the guide

[sand egret]

we got Void dragons comin Riki

[chilly brook]

Nathanos*

[supple path]

Sylvanas has been twirling her mustache as she ties babies to railroad tracks since nearly her first introduction.

[sand egret]

we're just going to have a Sister vs Sister battle

[supple path]

But she did get a little more blatant about it this expansion

[mortal brook]

Jaina is wayyyyy better than she's been in several xpacks. was literally 'rawr emo hate horde' until she finally got some bfa character development

[chilly brook]

Extremely blatant

[neon tangle]

@chilly brook Stagger is just absorb with mechanics around it 😛

[chilly brook]

Blatant was never her style

[lusty grotto]

I agree with steve

[exotic spoke]

On mekkatorque last night I was fucking around while we were wiping / learning the fight. Running towards buster cannon to reflect it / take no damage.

I was hoping someone would try and call me on it. Especially if they had been fuckkng it up all night

[chilly brook]

Stagger isn’t absorb

[mortal brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ps7FJ6et_U

[chilly brook]

It’s just delayed damage

[sand egret]

oof

[chilly brook]

It’s still damage you take but over time

[exotic spoke]

I just like to troll bladesong - don’t judge me

[chilly brook]

Yes Steve I’m aware of her cata arc

[neon tangle]

@chilly brook "with mechanics"

[exotic spoke]

Like last pull of the night when wipe was called. I call out for the OT to taunt. I run behind a corner and hearth out

[chilly brook]

If you still take the damage it’s not an absorb though

[neon tangle]

you don't take all the damage

[chilly brook]

Yea you do

[neon tangle]

assuming you purify

[chilly brook]

It’s the same amount of damage

Who purifies xD

Sco certainly didn’t

🙃

[celest gate]

Purifying isn't always the play

[chilly brook]

Anyways there’s like degrees of nuance surrounding Sylvanas and how she’s been handled as a character and BFA was just kinda “fuck the nuance she lich queen now and just wants to eradicate the alliance in the most sadistic ways possible just to spite people”

[mortal brook]

honestly tho, ima be super dissapointed if sylvanas doesnt take stormwind as a meat processing plant 8.3

[chilly brook]

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

honestly for whatever people think about the horde side of things

the alliance storyline is actually very good

[umbral forge]

@oblique garnet I got the Freehold key!

[mortal brook]

I'd also love Stratholme as the new forsaken hub, but thats me

[oblique garnet]

!

[umbral forge]

It's a +14

[chilly brook]

Yea this has been a very alliance heavy expac in terms of story

See like

[oblique garnet]

I see

Jettom

[umbral forge]

Sup

[oblique garnet]

Are you going to do it right now

[umbral forge]

Preferably, you decide

[chilly brook]

There were so many things regarding Sylvanas that they should have explored in BFA after legion

But they haven’t

[lusty grotto]

its could be all intended, if you think they want to rebalance alliance pop for example

[oblique garnet]

Well considering im in bed going to sleep soon id rather do it at another time

[astral crystal]

they're following her most important storyline though

[umbral forge]

Sure

[chilly brook]

Like what are her plans to save her people now that her plan in Legion was ruined by Genn

[astral crystal]

sylvanas REEEEing at permadeath

[chilly brook]

It just hasn’t been a consistent arc

[lusty grotto]

i think the only thing that i like about the horde storyline is the voljin thing, but that was put in there after butchering the shit out of his arc in legion

[supple path]

She's going to eat Bwansambi's head to gain his death powers.

[astral crystal]

it hasn't been inconsistent, it's just being unfurled still

[supple path]

It'll be a full CGI cutscene of her devouring his skull. 5 minutes long.

[astral crystal]

they're doing a poor job at telegraphing it but maybe that's not a bad thing

there's surprises in store still

[chilly brook]

She could devour my head 😉

[lusty grotto]

you people and your goth chicks

[mortal brook]

this is all a giant ass setup for a 2nd wrathgate

[lusty grotto]

jaina is bae

[chilly brook]

Jaina disgusts me

I’d rather be with a corpse

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ

[chilly brook]

😜

[mortal brook]

Did you think we had forgotten? Did you think we had forgiven? Now, all can see... this is the hour of the Forsaken.

[lusty grotto]

honestly though

play the alliance story

[mortal brook]

Ive heard Jaina can be a little....frigid

[oblique garnet]

Tbf sylvanas has a good strategy in beating allince

Getting jainad brother and all

[lusty grotto]

honorless

[chilly brook]

Ok

Let me put it this way

Her motivation for beginning the war

[lusty grotto]

very sylvanas like

[chilly brook]

I agreed with

[lusty grotto]

but honorless

[chilly brook]

It was in character

Her burning the tree because she wanted to spite one little bitch?

Not so much

[lusty grotto]

again

the whole burning thing was to demoralize the alliance

[silk mortar]

Well look it up

[lusty grotto]

it wasnt to spite x person

[chilly brook]

And it was lazy ass writing

[silk mortar]

She only burned tree becuase malfurion didnt die

[lusty grotto]

exactly

[supple path]

Sylvanas thought process: "Option #1 has its plusses and minuses." "Option #2 is a war crime and---" "I've heard enough."

[astral crystal]

i think what's being suggested by the writers is that there's a similarity between nzoth and sylvanas, they're both plotters playing for the long game

[lusty grotto]

right

[supple path]

I've been assuming Sylvanas was corrupted by an old god for years now.

[lusty grotto]

that fits sylvanas character

[supple path]

because there is literally nothing else that makes people evil in wow

[lusty grotto]

undead can't be influenced by old gods

[silk mortar]

But the void is scared of sylvanas right

[chilly brook]

They hyped up the burning of the tree to be like “oh who knows who does it” and it’s ends up not being a fucking mystery at all

[silk mortar]

They cant be influenced

[supple path]

sounds exactly what an old god influencing undead would want you to believe

[chilly brook]

It was literally the most obvious answer the could have gone with

[silk mortar]

Not in the same way as mortals can

[lusty grotto]

she doesn't have to be mind controlled, her goals might just align with nzoth

[supple path]

It'll get tied into whatever bullshit rejuvenation ritual her and Nathanos did to make their skin younger.

[mortal brook]

yes, lich king odyn and bwon all generally agreed she's goin a little overboard

[lusty grotto]

they sacrified a valkyr for that censuras

[chilly brook]

Like there was room for an actually interesting story arc and they didn’t do it

I thought they just got him a new body wasn’t it?

[lusty grotto]

nah

they are in a good position to red herring the shit out of people

whether they do it or not, that's another question

its blizzard after all

[chilly brook]

Actiblizzion

[mortal brook]

if it all leads to an all you can forsaken buffet in stormwind, im game for it

start with Goldshire tho

[chilly brook]

If it means anduin dies I’m all for it

🙃

[exotic spoke]

#NotMyCity

[supple path]

"We joined this horde to not eat people Sylvanas, not to eat people! You're not my real dad!" - Baine Bloodhoof, 2020.

[mortal brook]

they JUST updated his model, no dying for him

[chilly brook]

I mean iirc what’s his nuts had his model updated in WoD and died the next xpac

Wrynn

[mortal brook]

daddy wrynn ♥

[exotic spoke]

Y’all disturb me sometimes

[mortal brook]

Wrynn was the best warr tho

aside from champion

[chilly brook]

You know what doesn’t disturb me?

Sylvanas

Varian was criminally underused in WoW

[mortal brook]

he was slightly mentioned alliance side interactions between valeera and anduin

bfa

[chilly brook]

I’m just sayin

[mortal brook]

and basically finished his story arc in the books

[chilly brook]

Lore wise the guy was an absolute mad lad

The game just never showed it for some reason

[mortal brook]

LOVED his interaction with Saurfang in ICC

:Arthcry:

[chilly brook]

Outside of that one cutscene in legion anyways

[lusty grotto]

saurfang and varian were superior warriors but only after the god warrior broxigar the red

[chilly brook]

His interaction with saurfang was 👌🏻

[lusty grotto]

who is saurfang's brother

[umbral forge]

Broxigar

[lusty grotto]

yeah i just said that

[chilly brook]

Brox

[umbral forge]

I only read the bottom post when I tab into here lol

[lusty grotto]

slap you with stewart the fish

🐟

[umbral forge]

I changed my transmog again

[chilly brook]

Sorry when it’s disconnected with the other part of the statement it looks like a question

[exotic spoke]

Wait - did you race change?

[umbral forge]

haha no, this is my Priest.

[exotic spoke]

Fuck

Fix your shit

❤

[mortal brook]

red shirt and a wrench and you're all set for Super Moooorio

[lusty grotto]

yeahhhhhh farmer shadehoof!

[umbral forge]

Yaaah

I'm gonna get the title

[lusty grotto]

i approve of this mog

[umbral forge]

I have it on my Warlock

[chilly brook]

Tauren are bad and you should feel bad

[umbral forge]

I wish it was account wide.

[mortal brook]

all priests need to be dwarf for the racial Fear Ward. gosh

[waxen cradle]

need a dwarf next to him to be mario, the tauren would be luigi

[lusty grotto]

reminder when chef nimchip met farmer rdruid

[sand egret]

shout out to my boy Broxigar mentioned ✊

[lusty grotto]

farmer taurens are the best

[sand egret]

the One True Arms Warrior

[lusty grotto]

ye god warrior broxigar

[sand egret]

a True Warrior of Rage

[undone sun]

Broxigar, the same warrior that wounded sargeras

[lusty grotto]

ya

[undone sun]

With the weapon forged specifically for him by malf

[sand egret]

Ol' Wood Axe McGinnis

[undone sun]

Out of sticks

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[sand egret]

really strong sticks

[lusty grotto]

a bundle of really strong sticks?

[sand egret]

really strong sticks