protection

[lusty grotto]

Southeast of Florida

[warm plinth]

I don't even know what a second world country is

[lusty grotto]

Uhh... Finland?

[umbral forge]

First World: NATO
Second World: USSR
Third World: NEUTRAL

[lusty grotto]

Am I close

[umbral forge]

Close, Nim

[warm plinth]

That is...not how I categorize countries.

[lusty grotto]

Sweden!

[umbral forge]

CloseA

[lusty grotto]

Switzerland?

[umbral forge]

@warm plinth it's the original meaning of the phrase "first world"

[warm plinth]

To me, first world countries are developed countries, and third world are developing

[umbral forge]

Noo its colder.

[lusty grotto]

Norway

[warm plinth]

Norway?

Denmark?

[lusty grotto]

Oh denmark

[umbral forge]

Yeah

Norway

Sweden and Finland are both 3rd world.

[warm plinth]

Does Nikkj know that?

[lusty grotto]

I'd love to visit some time, all of those I mentioned, and Germany

I took German classes but I can't remember shit besides computerspielen spiele

And the obvious biergarden

And prost

[umbral forge]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Cold_War_alliances_mid-1975.svg
A handy map even

[orchid token]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=291429/what-is-wrong-with-battle-for-azeroths-dungeons

Love this

[warm plinth]

We don't use first/2nd/3rd world country the way you guys do apparently

Although 2nd does still mean that it's a soviet bloc country apparently.

[lusty grotto]

Yeah the meaning has been lost that way in murica

[umbral forge]

Notice that Iran is a first world nation

[lusty grotto]

By all means Iran is a 1st world nation for sure

[warm plinth]

We consider any country that is "developed" (e.g. has modern industry and such) to be 1st world

If you say a country is 3rd world here, we typically would think that it's very poor, lots of starving people, no modern technology

Except internet, because apparently everyone has widely available gigabit internet except the US

Yeah it's well-written Necrys

I thought it spoke to a lot of the issues pretty well

[lusty grotto]

There is also an interesting interaction with the Peacekeepers that are already activated where Unholy Death Knight just will get the 1% count from the Mech Jockey that is already inside due to the on death effect when no other classes gain that.

Uhh

What

[warm plinth]

I didn't get that either

[lusty grotto]

You don't need a dk for that

It counts the 1% without the dk

What am I missing there

[warm plinth]

What were they trying to reference from that?

[umbral forge]

Anyone want a good laugh?

[warm plinth]

Always

[umbral forge]

Anyone else?

[undone sun]

what is the emotion, laugh

[warm plinth]

I didn't know what it meant, and I did think about looking it up, but in the end I was too lazy

[umbral forge]

Too lazy to get a good laugh. Damn

[lusty grotto]

Ohhh

I see what he's saying

[umbral forge]

Do you want a good laugh, Nim?
And what

[lusty grotto]

So it makes the jockey die before the Mech is dead

But I mean

[warm plinth]

How do you do that? And why can only an UH DK do it?

[lusty grotto]

That's not necessarily a good thing

Their aura

[umbral forge]

Unholy DK have an aura?

[lusty grotto]

Yeah

[umbral forge]

Ooh wait their dot thing spreads to the jockey? Cause of how it works?

[oblique garnet]

@umbral forge oi cunt how does it feel to pay 10€ for a beer in norway

[umbral forge]

@oblique garnet I dunno I drive to a Third World Country for my beer

[oblique garnet]

Aight you can forget all about me boosting you

[umbral forge]

WOW

I pay taxes on the beer I buy in Sweden

[oblique garnet]

I agree sweden is 3rd world country

[umbral forge]

Yeah.

So they have cheap beer

[lusty grotto]

Well I could have sworn they had an aura but I guess it's just whatever they do to spread dots

[oblique garnet]

Its only cheap jettom because norway is overpriced and you know it

[umbral forge]

Yeah. Alcohol tax is 233% here.

[warm plinth]

Outbreak causes their plague to spread to any nearby target for 6 seconds

[lusty grotto]

Nordic countries battle!

[warm plinth]

Holy crap, 233%?!

[umbral forge]

Yea

[lusty grotto]

Yeah fuck that shit

Never visiting, sorry

[umbral forge]

Hahaha

[lusty grotto]

Scratch that one off the list

[warm plinth]

In the US it's like 3-5 cents 😂

Per drink

[umbral forge]

Do you not want our 10 euro beer?

7 euros goes to the state!

[warm plinth]

Good god

[oblique garnet]

Hey

[lusty grotto]

norway

[oblique garnet]

Come to finland

Its 1€

[lusty grotto]

:o

I'm sold

[warm plinth]

We make up for our very small alcohol tax by having pretty high tobacco tax though

[oblique garnet]

Also come during winter

Its beautiful

And only -35

[lusty grotto]

Depends on the state ghash :p

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but average it's pretty high. $1.70 per pack on average

And our packs of cigarettes are smaller than some countries too

Learned that recently

[lusty grotto]

I pay 10 bucks for Marlboro reds in PR

It's like 5 in virginia

[warm plinth]

Apparently in Australia, 50-packs are common

[umbral forge]

Thats nothing lol

[lusty grotto]

Dude 10 bucks

[warm plinth]

It's like $14 or $15 in NYC

[lusty grotto]

I've been planning on quitting for a while

[warm plinth]

iirc

[lusty grotto]

All the money i would save

Also no cancer scares :p

[umbral forge]

It's 17-18 in Norway for a pack of 20.
Unless you get Paramount which is 30.

[undone sun]

https://i.imgur.com/jXiTt6V.png

[lusty grotto]

Holy fuck 30 bucks

[proud ermine]

It's expensive as shit in Australia

[oblique garnet]

Cigarettes?

Yeah

[umbral forge]

Yeah

[proud ermine]

Yeah its ridic

It can be upwards of fifty depending on what you get

Legit the only reason I never started is because of cost

[lusty grotto]

What about vaping

[warm plinth]

No not 30 bucks I don't think. I think he meant 30 cigarettes?

Though $17-18 is still super expensive for a pack of cigarettes

[proud ermine]

You can't get nicotine liquid in Australia

To my knowledge

[lusty grotto]

🤔

Psst

[oblique garnet]

Yeah the laws in australia are stupid like that

[proud ermine]

They've tightened laws around vaping

JustI order online

[lusty grotto]

What about coughpotcough

[proud ermine]

It's just tobacco lobbying

[lusty grotto]

Excuse me

[warm plinth]

I remember in like...1999/2000, my stepfather was paying $18 a carton for Marlboro Reds at the comissary on post

[proud ermine]

Pots easy to get

Won't lie..

Especially melbourne

[warm plinth]

Is it legal in AU?

[lusty grotto]

How much

[proud ermine]

Of even THC oil

NopeI

Relatively cheap depending onon what you're buyibg

[oblique garnet]

I think weed is actually cheaper than tobacco in australia

[lusty grotto]

Dispensary stuff is legit awesome

[proud ermine]

A lot cheaper for shitter stuff

[umbral forge]

I'm stupid.

I just realized nimchip's pfp is his Warrior

[proud ermine]

Edibles are pretty good. Nowhere near aa good as LA. Since it's all backyard shit

[warm plinth]

Probably cheaper than tobacco in the US too tbh lol, at least in the states where it's legal.

[lusty grotto]

Oh shit I forgot i have a new one

Yeah ghash

[honest canopy]

ok hes getting the job

[warm plinth]

What question did you ask him

[honest canopy]

ThunderClap or Rampage?

[warm plinth]

And he said Thunder Clap right?

[honest canopy]

Yes

[umbral forge]

@honest canopy show me his real Anime Waifu

[warm plinth]

Yeah hire the fuck out of that guy

[umbral forge]

Did you really ask him that

[honest canopy]

Yes

[warm plinth]

I wish he did

lol what

[umbral forge]

I believe it. Sweden is third world after all.

[warm plinth]

Oh lord

[lusty grotto]

ok guys

[honest canopy]

"Ok so I want to do a quick quiz here, just anaswer quick what you think"

[lusty grotto]

i have a new profile pic

[oblique garnet]

Change it back nim

[lusty grotto]

its stuart

[umbral forge]

And iirc this was more about removing another employee

[warm plinth]

I thought it was spelled Stewart

[lusty grotto]

hey its Stuart the fish!

[warm plinth]

That's how you spelled it last time

[lusty grotto]

fuck

[umbral forge]

What late said.

[lusty grotto]

its late 😦

[honest canopy]

other emplyee coming in 19 mins

going to ask him the same question

hes gonna say Rampage

[lusty grotto]

yes Stewart, he doesn't mind

[honest canopy]

"YOU ARE OUT!"

[warm plinth]

lol

[umbral forge]

Nim your IQ dropped by 22% with your new pfp

[warm plinth]

Wait, so the other guy actually works there now?

[umbral forge]

Why are you firing the other guy

[warm plinth]

What if he says Thunder Clap?

You're gonna be so conflicted

[honest canopy]

He was sittning there saying ThunderClap

Hes deffo a keeper

[warm plinth]

Or even worse, what if you ask Thunder Clap or Rampage and he says booty clap

Then you're fucked

[honest canopy]

Fk picture didnt load

ThunderClap Corner

[warm plinth]

Dude why do you have a desktop computer. I'd get a laptop and lay on that comfy ass looking couch thing

[honest canopy]

I hae one as well

[oblique garnet]

You have a casting couch?

[white tapir]

"cough thing"

XD

[warm plinth]

😂

[honest canopy]

Yes

😄

[warm plinth]

Now we know what Nikkj does for a living

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[umbral forge]

Money laundering through pornography...

[honest canopy]

They sit in the couch, I sit in a Dx Racer Valkirye

[warm plinth]

You're just making me realize how badly I need to clean my desk

[oblique garnet]

Seriously tho nikkj

What do you do for a living

[undone sun]

@warm plinth same

[honest canopy]

I raid daytime from the office 🤔

Have emplyees doing work

Just got paid 29 000 Euros

for 2 projects we just finished

[oblique garnet]

You need employees?

I can volunteer for one

[warm plinth]

My gf got me this sign for my desk though so I’m good

[honest canopy]

Yes, thats why I gold interviews 😦

[umbral forge]

This just raises questions really

[honest canopy]

Good sign

[oblique garnet]

And i would totally not rip you off and steal everything you own

[honest canopy]

Wish my wife gave me one

[oblique garnet]

@warm plinth alliance icon

[honest canopy]

I just gave my keys and creditcard to the new guy

[warm plinth]

Don't hate Late

[honest canopy]

so he could go get some stuff while i fire the other one

[warm plinth]

I just hit 120 on my horde DH

[umbral forge]

Ghash is a closet weeb confirmed.

[honest canopy]

"Sorry you cant be here when i fire the other guy so, can you please go get this stuff"

[warm plinth]

What in the world would tell you I'm a weeb?

Because I'm absolutely not a weeb.

[honest canopy]

Sign + Alliance = Weeberoni

[warm plinth]

I thought a weeb was someone who liked anime

[oblique garnet]

Thats what ive been saying that im not a weeb but he refuses to believe me

[umbral forge]

No I believe you, late.

[warm plinth]

Have I been wrong this whole time?

[honest canopy]

I can stream the fireing of the guy

on twitch

[umbral forge]

Do it

[oblique garnet]

Weeb is someone who basically worships japan while not being from japan while having bodypillows etc

[warm plinth]

Oh. I don't even know anything about Japan lol

[oblique garnet]

Thats against ToS nikkj

[honest canopy]

Bah

[umbral forge]

Oh no I suggest you watch Anime, late.
Not that you're a weeb

[warm plinth]

Now you could upload it on YouTube and blur his face though

[honest canopy]

Il do it

Jettom and Late can prob understand some swedish

[umbral forge]

Why are you firing him?

Like actual reason

[honest canopy]

I dislike him and hes bad

[oblique garnet]

Now theres nothing wrong with watching anime

[honest canopy]

he did fk us yday so we had to spend like 500 euros for nothing

and i actually got stressed and just came in time for raid

[warm plinth]

The only anime I've ever watched is like one season of Pokemon and a few episodes of Dragonball Z

[honest canopy]

"i know pokemon by hearth"

• Watched 1 season

[warm plinth]

I know the theme song by heart

[honest canopy]

Nice lice

110% weeb

[warm plinth]

Oh well

[oblique garnet]

I wanna be the very best

[honest canopy]

CATCH EM ALL

[warm plinth]

Like no one ever was

[honest canopy]

Your front starts to crackle

[oblique garnet]

To catch them is my real test

[honest canopy]

soon you tell us that you have blue hair

[warm plinth]

To train them is my caaaaaauuuse

😂

I actually apparently can have blue hair at my job

[honest canopy]

How do i arrange my phone

so it can be recording

[oblique garnet]

See ghash youre 7-8 years older than me

[umbral forge]

I watched season 1 to season 12. Hikari is my favorite Pokégirl. Jesus I've spent a lot of money on Pokémon in my life.

[warm plinth]

A person on my team who works at a different facility has like purple or green hair

[honest canopy]

without looking suspicius

[oblique garnet]

And we both know the pokemon theme by heart

[warm plinth]

Yep. I have a little sister who I watched cartoons with all the time

[oblique garnet]

Yeah nikkj thats illegal

[honest canopy]

-_-

Why

I should be allowed to record my own meetings no?

[warm plinth]

Idk, is it illegal? It definitely is here, but

[oblique garnet]

Not without consent

[warm plinth]

I didn't know if it was over there.

[honest canopy]

You can do hidden filming when doing documentaries and journalism shit?

yeah its illegakl

[warm plinth]

That's different than just recording a random conversation with an employee though 😂

[oblique garnet]

If you record the meeting and he sues you

You will have to pay alot

[honest canopy]

No wait

its only illegal

[umbral forge]

Late

[honest canopy]

if the other part dont takes part in the conversation

[warm plinth]

We actually have a law in some states (called one-party states) where only one person in the conversation has to know you're recording.

[umbral forge]

Roadtrip! We can be witnesses!

[honest canopy]

Att spela in ett samtal som man själv deltar i utan att tala om det för personen man pratar med är inte olagligt enligt Brottsbalkens regler om brytande av post och telehemlighet eller olovlig avlyssning.

in english

[oblique garnet]

Nikkj if he even greets you thats part of the conversation

[honest canopy]

record a conversation that you take part of aint illegal

[oblique garnet]

And therefore it will ve illegal

[honest canopy]

bla bla bla

[warm plinth]

Man my work internet is trash

[umbral forge]

Only illegal if Nikkj doesn't speak

[undone sun]

i feel like, if you have to question whether or not it's illegal...

[honest canopy]

yeah

[warm plinth]

To record a conversation that you yourself participate in without talking about it to the person you are talking to is not illegal according to the Criminal Code's rules on breaking of mail and secrecy or illegal interception.

[honest canopy]

if we booth speaks its totally ok

[warm plinth]

That's google's translation

You can record the conversation as long as you're a participant

Without telling the other person

[honest canopy]

exatly

and we booth will be

hes gonna cry

and lie

I will be Pandaren calm

[warm plinth]

That's how it is in the one-party states I mentioned too

[honest canopy]

maybe i should sit and close my eyes?

Prob on the floor

[warm plinth]

Use Quaking Palm in the throat, then he can't cry

[oblique garnet]

And then when you release the video it will be viewed as slander

[honest canopy]

I will put a emoji on his face

[warm plinth]

Am I the only person who completely forgets that Quaking Palm exists?

[oblique garnet]

Even if you cencor the video

If he ever sees it

[warm plinth]

I feel like it's the least used racial in the game, even below some passives 😂

[oblique garnet]

He knows who he is

[honest canopy]

Il make his voice smurf

[warm plinth]

You can post it on youtube as unlisted, so only people you give the direct link to can see it

[honest canopy]

Like in an open channel on discord

Sounds reasonable

😄

[oblique garnet]

Dont

Do it

Dont

[honest canopy]

I wont

Relax

[warm plinth]

Yeah you really shouldn't lmao

Late's like bro don't

[oblique garnet]

I swear i should charge you for legal advices xD

[honest canopy]

@lusty grotto will call the cops and reddit editors

Just like he did with my cocaine stories

[warm plinth]

Just make him buy you a beer in Jettom's country

[oblique garnet]

I wonder if i should have taken the lawschool spot instead of the engineering one🤔

[warm plinth]

Could have done both

Become a law engineer

🤔

[oblique garnet]

??

Wth is that

[umbral forge]

You engineer new and fun laws

[warm plinth]

It's something I just made up lol

[undone sun]

lol

[warm plinth]

Late was like wait wtf are you americans doing over there, engineering laws and shit

I thought that was way funnier than anyone else; I guarantee it.

[oblique garnet]

I feel like law school could have been fun

[warm plinth]

School bored me

[oblique garnet]

Idk idm learning something new

[warm plinth]

Me neither, if it's something I want to learn

I had classes I enjoyed but overall it was boring.

[oblique garnet]

Finnish medical students scare me

Idk if i want to go to a doctor ever again after being in one of their student parties

[lime mantle]

@warm plinth the word for that is congressman, thanks.

[warm plinth]

And they make you wish that we had law engineers

[lime mantle]

They are law engineers

60% of an engineer job is to make a simple thing overly complex for no reason other than management having an attack of autism

[warm plinth]

😂

Then they are law engineers

[umbral forge]

If I was a Law Engineer I'd put the Monarchy back in power

[honest canopy]

Uts done

its

I won

He didnt cry

just some vibrations on his lip

[umbral forge]

Poor guy. Now he can't feed his family.

[warm plinth]

Wow Jettom lol

[oblique garnet]

Think of the children

[umbral forge]

Oh if he has children it'll be fine.

[oblique garnet]

Nikkj deprived the poor man from feeding his children

Oh wait

[umbral forge]

Or as I like to call them

[oblique garnet]

He lives in sweden

[umbral forge]

Emergency Rations

[oblique garnet]

He gets alot of welfare

Actually blessing in disguise

[umbral forge]

Is #fury and #arms as unmoderated as #protection

[warm plinth]

Uhhh, Sal is the only mod I ever see in here and he's not playing WoW anymore

So doubt he's super active now

But idk about the others

[undone sun]

@umbral forge no

[warm plinth]

Thyme mod when

😏

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i don't even think i could get SF back, let alone Valkyr

[warm plinth]

I just click over to Dreamgrove

And all is right

[oblique garnet]

Protection doesnt need moderation

[undone sun]

...

[warm plinth]

Idk, we stray off-topic but I think we do a good job of answering questions when they're asked.

[umbral forge]

How are we ever off topic

[warm plinth]

Hm idk, use the last hour as an example

Or 2 hours, however long it was

[rose moat]

How important is shield block? Not at all right?

[undone sun]

Very

[warm plinth]

What

[undone sun]

[oblique garnet]

McFat stop memeing

[warm plinth]

[rose moat]

🥺😔☹️

Ez trigger at @warm plinth

[umbral forge]

Use it if you're at 90 rage and full ignore pain

[warm plinth]

Actually I just used the triggered emoji so I can pretend to be a rebel who can use global emojis

Since that's the only one that moves

[oblique garnet]

I think i need to go buy beer

Jettom stop triggering me

[umbral forge]

Hah

[warm plinth]

I do think we need my emoji in here though

[rose moat]

But on a serious note 😂 how is warr looking on the ptr... cause slighty wanna prepare for druid or pally to be meta

If warr is like nerf to the ground

[warm plinth]

The only change they've received so far is the 50% UF nerf, which was fairly unimpactful.

As far as where we stand anyway

[umbral forge]

8.2 is changing the game considerably and we havent gotten access to the next raid yet so its up in the air.

[oblique garnet]

Survivability hasnt been touches and we are by far the best at that

[rose moat]

I expected that they would shove warrior deeper into azeroth than Sargeras did with his swird

[warm plinth]

I think they've been focused mainly on the essences and the guardian and VDH changes

[oblique garnet]

Guardian actually got some nice buffs

[warm plinth]

Guardian is gonna be in a solid place in 8.2. Not as good as us, but definitely to a point where they're worthwhile

[oblique garnet]

So now they will be even stronger than before

[rose moat]

Yea the mitigation of druid should have a easyier uptime now

[umbral forge]

We'll probably end up as a worse Guardian druid with slightly more DPS

[oblique garnet]

Idk

With the changes to druid i dont think we can compete eith them on damage

[umbral forge]

So we'll just be worse than them overall

[oblique garnet]

Not really

Druids mitigation is still worse than ours

[undone sun]

the FR change is weird

[warm plinth]

Does FR really have no base cost now?

[undone sun]

no

[oblique garnet]

It heals actually alot now

[umbral forge]

I dunno. I just expect blizz to.. butcher us

[undone sun]

just an unnecessary rage dump

[warm plinth]

Yeah, 36% with the 30 extra rage

But I don't think the FR change was that relevant tbh

The damage boost was good, and the rage generation/cost changes were awesome

[oblique garnet]

Damage buff was the one thing they didnt need tho

[undone sun]

huh

[warm plinth]

Why do you say that?

[oblique garnet]

They are not bad at doing damage

[undone sun]

not great

within acceptable levels, but still nothing to write home to

[oblique garnet]

2nd highest tank damage

[undone sun]

ehhh

[oblique garnet]

Yes

Its just that all the druids go defensive traits instead of offensive

[undone sun]

[oblique garnet]

Im not even kidding thyme

Guardians damage is pretty sick

They have some pretty amazing traits

[undone sun]

it's not like im foreign to druids let alone guardian, that's my section in dg

[warm plinth]

I'm just glad that it's not gonna be like 4 globals before you can get IF up after you pull something.

[oblique garnet]

@outer dew back me up on this guardian damage good or nah?

[undone sun]

it was definitely worse at the start

[outer dew]

guardian dps

is amasizing aoe

[undone sun]

i don't disagree, it's Good

[warm plinth]

Oh wait, it's not 36% heal. Isn't FR 24% base?

[undone sun]

https://i.imgur.com/pRzKl0E.png

[outer dew]

can very much compete with warrior over a dungeon when it comes to aoe

st on the other hand

lets not talk about that

LMAO

[warm plinth]

Yeah I knew it was freaking 6% instant and then 6% each second for 3 seconds

But wowhead shows 18% for some reason.

[undone sun]

yeah, idk some weird datamining

[umbral forge]

I feel like a good Guardian Druid should have the best st dmg of all tanks through catweavin

[warm plinth]

I think FR needs to be back off the GCD; it's already not a priority for rage spending (and I'm not exactly thrilled by the basically mandatory extra rage cost). At least make it a good oh shit button.

[undone sun]

there's rumors but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm plinth]

Guess we'll see

I never liked that they put the heal type things on GCD though, but was less concerned with FR since it's a fixed % now

Would like to see HotP come back off too

for paladins

[undone sun]

putting defensives on GCD like they did at the beginning of bfa was a terrible mistake

[warm plinth]

I agree

Tbh I can see something like Shield Wall or SI being on GCD over something like FR or L/HotP, since primarily you use those proactively. But you can't use LotP or FR proactively, and having a reactive button on GCD is just horrible

Not that I want wall or SI on there either, don't get me wrong lol

We're not DKs!

[undone sun]

🤣

[opaque vine]

To be fair though, dks have quite some empty globals

[lime mantle]

Put all CDs out of the gcd and same with defensives.

Then I’ll buy your pig ion.

[oblique garnet]

This is not

dk discord

[undone sun]

at least dk discord lets external emojis 😡

[oblique garnet]

It would take the offtopic in #protection to the next levels

[umbral forge]

We're not off topic yet

[undone sun]

the problem with off topic discussion is, sometimes people get in the mindset and wont answer questions...
but we don't usually have that problem

[oblique garnet]

I guess thats true

[undone sun]

most other servers manage it fine

[oblique garnet]

We answer the question and then go back to off topic

[undone sun]

bingo

you guys do it really well for a c hannel with very little interaction from the higher up

trying not to set off the trigger words for warden 😉

[oblique garnet]

I guess

@sick sentinel tfw i wanted to push but now we have 6 kings rest 20s

[warm plinth]

Do it

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i mean were gonna have to do it

But like

Jesus christ

[warm plinth]

I thought off-topic here allowed external emojis

[undone sun]

the channel yes

[warm plinth]

Oh he said in protection, if I could read

[sick sentinel]

Unluck I guess

[sand condor]

Ohdamn kr 20

Could be worse, right?

[umbral forge]

No

[oblique garnet]

Kings rest is probably hardest dungeon this week

Raging is an actual affix there

[lime mantle]

kR is fun because I forget second to last armor removal lasts a bit more when it reaches zero and I charge and get Istantly killed haha

Isn’t that whacky?

still crying over it

I am a mistake

[sand condor]

Arent we all

[oblique garnet]

@lime mantle if you just keep your shieldblock up it wont actually hurt you even through the damage increase

On tyrannical weeks you can keep face tanking it up to like 17 or so

[lime mantle]

You can also just jump/sidestep away

I just get hold up on dumb mistakes

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but you lose damage on boss that way

[sick sentinel]

Unless avatar is up

You are not losing that much damage by kiting

[oblique garnet]

Its all damage loss

On a boss fight where every bit of damage matters

[lime mantle]

You 1-2gcd lost>healer losing way more gcds by you needing extra healing and attention

[oblique garnet]

You dont need extra attention

Thats the thing

[lime mantle]

As said, you can just side step it

[oblique garnet]

Debilitating back hand?

You cant

Only way you dont get the debuff is when you parry

[lime mantle]

Isn’t it a come like sots second dude

[oblique garnet]

No

[lime mantle]

Huh

Might have partied and got a wrong idea

Still you can just jump/charge away and then back in

[oblique garnet]

It will still hit you

[lime mantle]

It will not, it has a range of melee

[oblique garnet]

No

[lime mantle]

Yes it does.

[oblique garnet]

It hits anywhere on the area

[lime mantle]

Don’t make me do a webm if it when I get home

[old zephyr]

You can do one

[oblique garnet]

It does hit you anywhere on the platform

You cant avoid it unless you dodge or parry it

[old zephyr]

The only way tous not get hit is dodge /parry

[oblique garnet]

And by dodge i mean dodge

You cant avoid it

[old zephyr]

Can you cheese is with à dh then ?

[oblique garnet]

Backhand?

Yes

But it comes right after the barrel through

[sick sentinel]

just parry it smh

[outer dew]

Just smeld it

You horde nerds

[warm plinth]

^

[prime sundial]

1

2

3

Hello ! in your opinion what's the best item in those 3 ?

[warm plinth]

3

[prime sundial]

third ? But i've no bonus shield, so it's better to tak best ilvl item ?

[oblique garnet]

Is this a shield?

[warm plinth]

No it's gloves I think

[prime sundial]

On the 405 item

[warm plinth]

The shield is bad.

[prime sundial]

and a bonus to hast 238

[warm plinth]

You only use those gloves if they're 15 ilevels higher than what you have.

[prime sundial]

so ican scratch it ? 😦

an equip the 415 .?

[warm plinth]

Yep

[prime sundial]

Ok thx

[dark lark]

quick owlseye is still > kraken's eye of str? why's that?

[orchid token]

@lime mantle you 100% can't dodge the debiliating backhand by any method other than an actual dodge or parry

no matter your range

[oblique garnet]

Haste provides us more than str both offensively and defensively

[orchid token]

if you made it work you obviously RNG'd a parry or dodge

[old zephyr]

haste = rage, rage = life

also haste = more claps

[lime mantle]

I find it hard to believe that 40 haste will always be worth more than 40str

[orchid token]

i mean

sim it

it might not be for you

[old zephyr]

it is

primary scale worse the more you get

secondary scale better the more you get

[lime mantle]

🤔 wat.

[old zephyr]

if you have 100 str and get 10 more

that's a 10% increase

if you have 200 and get 10 more, that's a 5% increase

[outer dew]

You can dodge back hand by smeld

???

[lime mantle]

Yes that’s basic math. I only pretend to be wildly retarded.
The question is how come mainstat scales worse than more str, wouldn’t that mean ilvl>!stats?

[old zephyr]

If you have 50% haste and get 5 more.
You go from 50%cd to 45%, that is a 10% increase

[lime mantle]

Loss aggro=no target I assume, you can meld rezan for example, or feign death it

[old zephyr]

if you go from 0hatse to 5% you go from 100% cd to 95 wich is a 5% icrease

[outer dew]

Yea, you have your DH get backhanded

Lmao

[old zephyr]

this is not 100% acurate math, but there is the idea

[outer dew]

I meme my DH erry tine

[lime mantle]

@old zephyr yes but haste doesn’t scale like that, it has DR so 500p of haste (say, 20%) don’t give the same % as 1000 would (aka you won’t have 40%)

[old zephyr]

yes this is SLIGHLTY inacurate

still, seccondaries scales exponentially

[sturdy vigil]

ur napkik path does not take in to account that secondary stats do not scale linerally for this very reason

[old zephyr]

while primary scales the oposite

[sturdy vigil]

napkin math*

There are breakpoint for secondaries for this exact reason

during break point another secondary or primary scales better until you can have enough haste to reach the next breakpoint

[old zephyr]

also comparing stat butget (permenent stats on trinket) 1 point of Main stat is usually worse half a point of secondaries

but gems give the same amount of each

[sturdy vigil]

This does make talents like in to the fray scale exponentially tho

The more base haste you have the higher the value of the flat haste from talents on top is

[lime mantle]

Yeah

It gives flat % haste not numeric haste

So if you have 0 haste it has less value than if you have 1000p of it

Because an upgrade of 15% is harder starting 1000p than at 0 thanks to DR.

[sturdy vigil]

stats give numeric so there is a break point where stacking more of same secondary becomes inefficient because of the dr on the stat system

exactly

[lime mantle]

That’s why I was Confused main stat is worse than secondary but at the same time ilvl>all.

[sturdy vigil]

thats ur basic simple napkin answer

[old zephyr]

because ilvl is more mainstat, more armor and more secondaries

[sturdy vigil]

and its most of the time correct or close enough to not matter

but if you go deep in to it its obviously not optimal allways

[old zephyr]

and more stamina

[lime mantle]

And also every stat guide says str>haste

(Of course this doesn’t take into account most items already come with str)

[old zephyr]

that a shortcut for Ilvl

if it give more str is has more ilvl

[sturdy vigil]

stamina has no dr. makes stacking it efficient to infinity

armor has dr so naturally str also looses value the more you get

[gray gyro]

so thinking about the coming nerf to the thunderclap talent, am I right in thinking as below:

base dps 10000 (if all dps is from clap)
talented dps 20000
if talent is then nerfed to 50% would the dps still end up at 15000?

now this is naturally only clap dps considered, no shield slam or revenge/ autos

[old zephyr]

nope

if base DPS is 100

talent DPS is 400

and post nerf it will be 300

[gray gyro]

it is increaased by 100% currently no?

[old zephyr]

talent make you clap twic harder

and twice faster

so effectively *4

only the harder part is gettong nerfed

[undone sun]

on live, yes @gray gyro

[old zephyr]

you still clap faster, and that is the main reason we take this talent anyway

@undone sun don't forget the half CD on clap part

[gray gyro]

you are right

[old zephyr]

faster clap means more rage (this is what make this talent a defensve one) and smoother DPS, so easier time to lock aggro

[gray gyro]

so effective dps loss would be about 20% (with other skills considered)

[oblique garnet]

No

[undone sun]

from the UF nerf? 6-10%

[oblique garnet]

^

[undone sun]

ST-AoE

[gray gyro]

lol that low

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[undone sun]

people are overreacting ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old zephyr]

"Nerf"

[gray gyro]

have they said anything about increasing slam damage?

[undone sun]

technicalities @old zephyr

[old zephyr]

all i see is the essence that give smore avatar

but the CD reduction is the best part of it

because rage

[gray gyro]

along with anger management and deafening crash it changes little then

[lime mantle]

Said essence also triggers BOM apparently

[gray gyro]

just a tiny dps loss

[old zephyr]

yeah it's really no big deal

[gray gyro]

so for next season we'll still see MDI running 90% warrior tanks I assume

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old zephyr]

depends on affic

[undone sun]

too early to tell

[lime mantle]

Next MDI will be DH

Trust me

[oblique garnet]

Doubt it

From what blizzard said they want it to be more st focused

[dark lark]

okay, so by that logic, should i still be using fish and chips over blood sausages?

[lime mantle]

^

Is haste(75)>Str(100)?

[dark lark]

isn't blood sausage 85

lol

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[lime mantle]

I mean feast

He is on sausages

[old zephyr]

i'd use fish yes

[oblique garnet]

Feast is better

[old zephyr]

the 25 difference is enough to make it better?

[gray gyro]

what would be the breakpoint of str becoming better than haste?

[undone sun]

non-important enough to worry about it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gray gyro]

theoretically that is 😛

[undone sun]

we don't have any major breakpoints

haste gains are multiplicative as well

[gray gyro]

and is there any real point (in M+) to go over 48.5 block value %?

[old zephyr]

YES

always

most of your blocks are not ritblok

[undone sun]

again, no major breakpoints

[gray gyro]

does it outweight the same stat in e.g vers

[undone sun]

no such thing as a block cap either

[old zephyr]

block only has one competitor for defensove purpose (I mean the only thing you could choose instead of it in the same slot) and that is bloodsport.

bloodsport doesn't bring damage

block traits do bring more damage

easy choice right

[gray gyro]

agreed

[oblique garnet]

Im just glad nerfclap finally understood that bloodsport is worthless

[gray gyro]

however choosing mastery over vers when at "softcap"

[oblique garnet]

If youre tanking m+

And you want the ideal setup

[old zephyr]

it's not "worthless".
For raid and for me it does have a little more defensive value than block

but during l+ block everydays*

[oblique garnet]

You dont want either mastery and versatility

Haste crit brings the best results

But only in m+

And unless you are the luckiest sob its highly unlikely you will have the highest ilvl pieces with haste crit

[gray gyro]

so what you are saying is haste> mastery (to softcap)> crit> mastery > vers ?

[old zephyr]

there is no mastery softcap

for M+ : Ilvl first, when you have choice haste> crit> otherstuff

for raid : Ilvl first, when you have choice Haste > mast/vers> crit

[gray gyro]

by that I mean crit block value % at 85

know naturally not all blocks will be crits ofc

[old zephyr]

forget that critblock thing

it doesn't change how you gear up

[gray gyro]

alright

cool

[old zephyr]

big maybe on next patch if we are able to relyably hit 90+ mastery but for now critblock is just a nice extra

[gray gyro]

i.e mastery will be able to get that high baseline?

[old zephyr]

don't know

hence the maybe

but with 3* BoM, the avatar essence and increased secondaries it MAY happen

[gray gyro]

is there any fall-off on percentage/point of mastery?

[undone sun]

not that i know of

[umbral forge]

When the Healer dies so you have to shadow mend your @sand condor

[thick grove]

Hiho, which Loa Buff you take as Zandalari in m+/raids?

[umbral forge]

race change to Nightborne.
If that's not an option, Bwon, Paku or Gonk

[old zephyr]

Gonk gang is strong meme

[drowsy salmon]

about races, kul tiras is nice to have or a lot better than human?

[umbral forge]

nice to have.

[plain lake]

Ribbit

[old zephyr]

best race is Nelf/LfD/DiD for ally

[sick sentinel]

410 shield Pog

finally got rid of my 405 😛

[old zephyr]

noice

[sick sentinel]

got it from a 22 atal as well

[strong forum]

Dwarf / Dank iron / nelf are best for alliance anything else is loooooOOOO

[old zephyr]

i'm trying to farm a procced rezan's eye, no luck so far

lfD is sweet damage

also dope horns

[sick sentinel]

lfd is reaping pad

[strong forum]

Literal pad

Imagine not giving a shit about bleeds.

Or any debuff ever

Or necrotic

Just racial breh

Oh I have 50+ stacks, lemme just racial real quick no kiting needed :^)

[old zephyr]

I racial, mobs die, I don't care about debuffs, works too 😃

[sick sentinel]

actually

imagine being alliance

like, ugh

[strong forum]

Imagine being horde cuck

[undone sun]

faction wars 😡

dumb

[strong forum]

Yup

[oblique garnet]

Imagine being irrelevant ever since bc🤔

[undone sun]

imagine centering an entire expac around the faction war and failing significantly

oh wait, that's bfa

🙃

[sick sentinel]

Imagine tanking in anything other than this

[undone sun]

fuck

your

robes

[umbral forge]

@sick sentinel hah oh man

[silk mortar]

Wish they made the tux for chest

[undone sun]

do they not?

[silk mortar]

Its a shirt

Or maybe im stupid

[oblique garnet]

Kage

[sick sentinel]

it's a chest tmog

[oblique garnet]

You need wailing caverns shield

[sick sentinel]

idk

[umbral forge]

@sick sentinel imagine doing shrine with 2 shadow priests and a demo warlock

[sick sentinel]

do you know what my comp is when I did my +15 shine in s1 for the keystone master achiv?

[umbral forge]

no

[sick sentinel]

hunter/mage/boomie

[silk mortar]

Just get resto sham and life is good

[sick sentinel]

without a sham healer

[silk mortar]

oh

[sick sentinel]

on tyrranical

[silk mortar]

Yikes

[old zephyr]

boomie is quite strong on tyra shrine though

[oblique garnet]

Not really

Theres alot of snapping that need short interrupts on shrine

[sick sentinel]

I mean

Interrupts

Second boss

[oblique garnet]

I was doing shrine 19 yesterday with my shammy

The 2nd boss bugged out after the windspeaker died

All my abilities did 20% of their damage

[sick sentinel]

Wtf

[oblique garnet]

10/10 game

[sick sentinel]

I like the manor bugs a lot

[oblique garnet]

Imagine using lava burst and only hitting for 2k with 3x ip

[sick sentinel]

Kill first witch, all 3 die

Or kill lord and lady dies as well

[old zephyr]

or damage aura from witch 2 never diseapear

or the witch 1 get LoH buy the MC paladin

[strong forum]

Loo

Never had that, ever

None of those situations

[oblique garnet]

I like the one where the damage aura never disappears and never stops stacking

[sick sentinel]

Oh yeah

You get that if you push too hard lol

[umbral forge]

@sand condor placing the void pools on last boss in shrine like a champ

[oblique garnet]

I think it has to do something with the mc bugging out

[sand condor]

hahhgahahhaha

fuck you

[oblique garnet]

Like you get mcd as they switch iris

Why are you flaming vic

Hes about to be better than you on warrior

[umbral forge]

yah

[oblique garnet]

Its not like thats hard tbh

[umbral forge]

wow

[sand condor]

😮

[umbral forge]

He's better than me in m+ but I'm better than him in raids 🤷

[sand condor]

Late is now my favorite person here

[silk mortar]

It's not like you need to do it either 😮

[oblique garnet]

Im teaching them

[umbral forge]

there's story behind it. Essentially just a messy AF run

vic was life gripped by the healer right before a pool spawned IIRC

[old zephyr]

I HATE THAT SPELL

[umbral forge]

So I told him on voice "I took a pic of this placement and I'm posting it in Skyhold if I don't get the trinket"

[oblique garnet]

Life grip?

I quite like it

[umbral forge]

same

[oblique garnet]

But not when i actually dont have to kire

Kite

[old zephyr]

my priest can freaking use it right

priests

[umbral forge]

I'm trying to figure out how I can grip Vic into his death.
Like on the bridge in King's Rest.

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah if i get life gripped when i dont want

The priest will probably die in the next pack

[old zephyr]

I got leap and 2 charges off the GCD

if i wanna move i'll move

[drowsy salmon]

'4XTCH [SAV]Oggi alle 11:55
best race is Nelf/LfD/DiD for ally' in terms of dps or overall?

[old zephyr]

these are the race that brings the more stuff

Nelf is for shadowml cheese

DiD is for debuff removal

and LfD for damage

[drowsy salmon]

did is?

[old zephyr]

Dark iron dwarf

[umbral forge]

Dark Iron Dwarf

[drowsy salmon]

ahh

[oblique garnet]

Normal dwarf works aswell

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet I got oneshot today, it was scary

[drowsy salmon]

so kul tiras the healing buff is ignorable compared to damage reduction or other skills of those races?

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel oh? By what

[old zephyr]

for raid it may be okay

for m+ it really doesn't bring much

[sick sentinel]

2 enraged fernat strikes or however its called

With my block down

On a 22

[oblique garnet]

Venomfang strikes?

On atal?

[sick sentinel]

Atal

The 6 pull on the left

[oblique garnet]

Honorguard?

[silk mortar]

Juggernauts?

Or guards

[sick sentinel]

Guards

[oblique garnet]

Huh

[sick sentinel]

170k each lol

[silk mortar]

Stun you fool

[oblique garnet]

Cant drop your mitigation like that

[sick sentinel]

I was like "okay this pack is dead let me get into position to pull the next 3"

They were at like 2% hp

[oblique garnet]

Rookie mistake

We left a caster at 1% thought it would die to dots

One raging venomblast to a healer

Gg

[old zephyr]

oops

[oblique garnet]

When youre pushing high keys you can play it relatively safe

[sick sentinel]

Yeah

We got a 23 shrine out of that

[oblique garnet]

I hate yazma

Someone always chokes

Everytime

Its going to be a 2 chest

[sick sentinel]

Healer did this time

[oblique garnet]

Oh wait we deplete it

Every single time

[sick sentinel]

Rogue eng cred

Yeah same

I had depleted like five atal 20s

[oblique garnet]

Same

And 19s

Always on yazma

[sick sentinel]

God was asleep today

Do we timed the 22 lul

[oblique garnet]

Oh btw kage

You can pull big on shrine this week

[sick sentinel]

Enraged waterbolts monkaS

[oblique garnet]

Whats your comp?

Need a shaman

[sick sentinel]

Rn it's bm/dh/outlul

[oblique garnet]

?

[sick sentinel]

With a resto druid

[oblique garnet]

Mmkay

You know the ranged safespot?

[sick sentinel]

Yee

[oblique garnet]

On 2nd boss

[old zephyr]

bench that DH and bring a WW monk man

[spare epoch]

so anyone considered the Bleakwealder shoulders for m+ even at 405 ilvl? Bastion of might + blightborne infusion + overwhelming power

[sick sentinel]

The other outlaw is gearing a ww

And that dh is also gearing a ww

[oblique garnet]

Not worth @spare epoch not on live

Only in mdi because they scale the gear to be 415

[spare epoch]

hm ok

[sick sentinel]

Don't drop ilvl for Azerite powers

[pastel holly]

even not for BoM?

[oblique garnet]

No

@sick sentinel we had 2 eleshamans + the healer standing on the safespot on the 2nd boss and boy did it get spicy with volcanic

[sick sentinel]

Lol

well we will only have our hunter up there probs

healer will be in cat form

[full violet]

no company for me? BabyRage

[sick sentinel]

LOL

[umbral forge]

Sometimes I wonder if America even is a real nation.
Apparently there was an active sniper in D.C for 3 weeks who left notes saying he was specifically targeting children
So they told the kids to "walk in a zig zag motion"
Like...... what? Shouldn't you maybe keep the kids home until the active sniper targeting kids is taken? They close schools for 4cm of snow but not 9cm of lead?

[odd ridge]

Well i mean its better than telling the kids to freeze if they hear a gunshot

[gray gyro]

9cm is he commandeering a sniper tank?!

[trim talon]

How much does sockets mean for prot? is it worth downscaling a 410 item to 400 when the 400 has a socket

[sick sentinel]

sec

I got you

[trim talon]

inb4

[sick sentinel]

no, check pms

[trim talon]

ty my guy ❤

[old zephyr]

@umbral forge do you have à link of that news ?

[umbral forge]

@old zephyr search D.C Sniper

[old zephyr]

All I find is à 2002 case

[astral crystal]

that's the one

wait maybe not, that was a duo and they were killing randos

and targeting shopping center parking lots

[young oasis]

Guys, is devoured health from Uu'nat, Harbinger of the Void Idol trinket count as damage dealt?

[orchid token]

Yes

[umbral forge]

Thats the one

[old zephyr]

it's a bit of old news isn't it?

[weary thorn]

the dc snipers did in fact shoot at least one child

I was in high school in one of the counties where a lady was shot and killed by them in a hobby store parking lot

[honest canopy]

@umbral forge @sick sentinel I was back dippsing as arms on mekka but today i got it, Tanking stormwall and jaina 😍😍😍😍

[fresh valley]

safe spot in shrine for casters?

where?!

[oblique garnet]

Its a secret

[weary thorn]

I pull that first reaping back into the first initiate room

[sick sentinel]

there is a spot on the left after you kill 2 mending casters

you can los there stack them and blast

you can los all the reapings in shrine

[fresh valley]

ooh

i thought you were talking about a safe spot on the second boss fight

i know those places

i love using the pool to snap everything to you

[oblique garnet]

@fresh valley We were talking about safe spotfor 2nd boss

[fresh valley]

yeah, i don't know that one, wheres that at?

[oblique garnet]

On the right where the initiates are

You can just stand there the whole fight as ranged and not get hit by a single tornado

[cursive marsh]

does anyone know of a way to cast heroic leap at your cursor but have it so that if you hold the key down it'll show the targetting reticle of where you'll land and only go off when you release the key? i like the /cast [@cursor] heroic leap macro to save time not having to click, but sometimes my camera screws up and it positions my leap not where i think it should be with where my mouse is, like in the wall behind me or something, so i end up not leaping or wasting it

[sick sentinel]

I know what you trying to describe

but I do not think there is a way to do that

so I personally just click

[old zephyr]

@cursor makes you leap max range if you outrange it

[austere oar]

He wants to show the area as he is holding and auto cast when release if I understand correctly

[old zephyr]

but what you want specifically I'm not sure

maybe an addon can help you

[austere oar]

Idk if there is a modifier for this

[weary thorn]

#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor, nomod]Heroic Leap
/cast [mod:shift]Heroic Leap

That gives you the option to chose, should be an option for macros to work on key release instead of key press

[old zephyr]

nah you'd have to fiddle with binding too much for base game to let you do that

[weary thorn]

probably

[old zephyr]

if you manage to have an addon/whatever letting you change the "input" of "release key" to "alt+key" for exemple you could add the macro
#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor, mod]Heroic Leap
/cast [nomod]Heroic Leap

[cursive marsh]

hmm that's a clever way to do it 4xtch, does anyone know of any addon that can do that :)?

[weary thorn]

bet you could do it with vuhdo

wait, maybe not. vuhdo might only affect unit frames, but it lets you do exactly that type of control with key press/release and key combos

could be worth it for you to check out

[old zephyr]

I think howver than key1 then key1release si slow than key1 then key2 on a biomechanics poitn of view

[cursive marsh]

oh shoot, what i just found out is that if i use two keybinds, one to bring up the reticle and another to do it just at cursor once i've confirmed with the reticle, i have to cancel the targeting reticle for the @cursor to go off

[weary thorn]

Yea, I mean honestly I don't bother with @cursor for leaps or movement

Can get too wonky

I use that type of macro for dnd on a blood dk, or something similar

[trail brook]

Hey, just read yesterdays conversation about priest in m+, but didnt get the problem tho, is it low healing?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[trail brook]

Both holy and disc?

I always run m+ with my guild mates

[primal sable]

no poison dispel

[trail brook]

We are prot/havoc/beastmaster/destrolock/holypriest

Yeah, poisons are a problem 🤔 😂

[old zephyr]

and kicks maybe?

[floral tinsel]

witch 2 for m+?

[sick sentinel]

Rezan/Refract

[old zephyr]

rezan and diamond

[sick sentinel]

rezan jes is good but diamond is great for survival