I’m literally talking DURING raid boss
#protection
stoic pilot
lime mantle
like this one for example : Macro for retards
/cast shield slam
/cast shield block
/cast spell reflection
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
What this macro does:
Activate trinks (why)
Cast SR AND SB at the same time (WHY?!)
Cast shield slam (why you require it to be cast with 2 wildly different defensive and 2 (only 1 will work iirc) trinket which will be probably an offensive trinket.
stoic pilot
It’s not blatantly bad advice
Your reading comprehension is just non existent
I’ll make it more simple for you
weary thorn
dont be patronizing meekuh
stoic pilot
You’re in a raid tanking a boss and nothing hitting you
weary thorn
not necessary
signal plover
He's talking about being the non-active tank on a raid encounter
stoic pilot
You don’t use shield block
weary thorn
your typing was terrible, which plays a part in comprehension
heady ether
Yeah you do
stoic pilot
Unless you’re parsing
heady ether
Shield block is 30% more shield slam damage
sick sentinel
if you have a long enough period of downtime you would? just to not cap charges and get SS dmg
heady ether
And all damage matters
stoic pilot
I mean you can give this advice to people sure
But the reality is
Someone who has it macro’d to shield slam
Probably misunderstands usage, but I was wrong the topic was about m+
heady ether
You were wrong period
sick sentinel
imho its better overall advice to teach people to not resource cap
regardless of if you're actively tanking the boss
stoic pilot
Sure fine
signal plover
The reality is, if you're doing meaningful content, u should know the encounter well enough to know when to hold charges for a bit and when to use em for dmg
stoic pilot
But for general advice, using it in a macro doesn’t work
Because you don’t have mitigation when you need it
That’s the point
weary thorn
if its a heavy handed macro like that yes
but you can make macros that give you complete control over your useage
its not difficult
weary thorn
I said that earlier
I know that
I've been here the whole time talking to him
I'm advocating FOR macros
just not bad macros
stoic pilot
Nice job?
livid totem
Obviously my macro isn't well suited for high end raiding or high m+ but I mean for offensive Trinket I don't really care because we're talking about like what ? 1% dps difference ?
weary thorn
more patronizing
stoic pilot
Goodness, anything patronizes you
weary thorn
try a different approach instead of just being an ass
stoic pilot
I would say Raizou, the only macro I use is generally for avatar
sick sentinel
overall you'll waste procs of it cause the CD wont line up
stoic pilot
Which is vial of animated blood
sick sentinel
but its easier and more effective than what you have
livid totem
Alright, I guess that could work.
heady ether
Its better to save the trinket CDs for avatar, like you wouldn't use RAGE outside of avatar under normal circumstances
mint adder
Holy shit, calm the fuck down @weary thorn
weary thorn
lol
livid totem
@mint adder I don't think he's the one that needs to calm down tbh
sick sentinel
actually thats a question I have for the big brains. Do you gain more sitting on something like Jes Howler so it lines up with avatar, and on a long enough cd yo'ull lose roughly 1/2 your procs
weary thorn
there is nothing I could say that would let you know im calm in text, because tone cannot be conveyed
sick sentinel
but the procs wont always line up with avatar
heady ether
Better to save
oblique garnet
Why you using hot garbage like howler in the first place
signal plover
^
stoic pilot
From what I’ve heard Jes isn’t even recommended to begin with
oblique garnet
Miss me with that 2 min cd shit
sick sentinel
take what i can get rn ):
stoic pilot
But if you do have it, it’s nice to use during hero for your allies
sand condor
stoic pilot
Otherwise save for avatar
sick sentinel
and its a nice group cd in M+ no?
sand condor
is this real life?
oblique garnet
@sand condor Double it up
signal plover
Beat by an spriest wot ;)
oblique garnet
fh
oblique garnet
very
sand condor
and what the fuck is the rogue doing
oblique garnet
he wasnt prepared
sand condor
kek
stoic pilot
Ugh
sand condor
teach me the way
oblique garnet
Well you go in
stoic pilot
I’ve gotten 40k overall but it drops a lot during bosses
sick sentinel
what trinks do ppl recommend? been rowling Prism and Jes while i wait for a Rezans (for M+ 15 range)
oblique garnet
You pull like 4-5 packs
stoic pilot
Are you pulling trash during boss?
sand condor
avatar and clap clap clap?
oblique garnet
In that one?
No
We went into the 2nd boss area
and kinda triggered 3 reapings in one pull
stoic pilot
Do you not do the packs near entrance
oblique garnet
Yes
stoic pilot
Hmm
sand condor
yeah
oblique garnet
Literally everything
fresh valley
what level key? a 10?
oblique garnet
yeah it was a lower key
i think that pull is still doable in like 15 with good group
stoic pilot
the only scary thing with that pull
strong shoal
I did it on +14 today , was lots of fun ^_^
oblique garnet
they dont really do any damage
stoic pilot
harpoon grips into raging aoe could potentially kill someone though
oblique garnet
if they die they die
stoic pilot
but who cares if you kill the pack yourself
fresh valley
when you guys are doing those monster pulls, what do you do to not get cucked while doing the pulls? i charge in clamp, leap to the next group, revenge, charge next group clap
but i get hit in the back a lot and take a ton of damage
stoic pilot
mount and run and just dont have people attack
old zephyr
what dungeon?
oblique garnet
Just dont turn your back into them
jovial haven
seeing rogue and hunter in group could have hunter md a pack and rogue tricks a pack while you pull 2 packs
jovial haven
yea thats too big brain for pugs... but in a set group you could do that
oblique garnet
yeah
mint adder
What trinks do you run late
oblique garnet
gore and alchemy
mint adder
What ilvl is your gore
oblique garnet
410
mint adder
Gotcha
strong shoal
i do play with fire mage , balance druid , dh and rdudu so those big pulls are fucking easy this week , gues that will be the week when ill do my first 20 key ^_^
and i got this bad boy today also
heady ether
Socket is very nice
jovial haven
socket and speed
oblique garnet
ilvl is nice
heady ether
Who cares about speed
oblique garnet
on a shield
mint adder
No leech 🗑
oblique garnet
and thats my cue to leave
jovial haven
hey if you can get to your next pack 1% faster why not lol
mint adder
HAHA im kidding
heady ether
Socket is the best feature
mint adder
What
heady ether
I have the same one without a socket unfortunately
strong shoal
Im really lucky with those this season , i have 7 items with sockets atm
mint adder
415 is the best feature
heady ether
415 is base ilevel
mint adder
Yes
oblique garnet
yet there are people without 415 shields
mint adder
415 is best feature of that shield
weary thorn
I've yet to have a shield drop even with rolls so far in myth
heady ether
a lower item level shield with socket will provide more dps, socket is very strong
weary thorn
still sitting on the 400
heady ether
Equip what sims best
mint adder
Yikes
jovial haven
ilvl >all
heady ether
Nope, cannot guarantee that. Must sim in order to know for sure
strong shoal
I dont know about you guys but this is my ifrst 415 shield and i can feel the difference
jovial haven
welp there be a lost one
weary thorn
if you are going for pure dps, sure that makes sense
jovial haven
grats @strong shoal
strong shoal
ty mate
weary thorn
but block is a pretty big part of being a warrior, and sims do not take that into account
heady ether
Who cares about that, you can maintain shield block a majority of your active tanking time if used intelligently
weary thorn
how much dps you gaining with that socket over survivability?
heady ether
I don't worry about survivability, survivability aint a problem
jovial haven
major i think you are just wasting your energy on this one
weary thorn
I just like to know the rationale
Its easier to help when you know their line of thought
heady ether
Of all people, I don't need help
astral path
what's your main ?
jovial haven
oh i understand where you are coming from, and i agree with you 100%
astral path
(he secretly has a leech enchant I KNOW IT)
heady ether
All haste enchants
weary thorn
preparing for them private logs
stoic pilot
I don't think if you don't want help you don't necessarily need to link your char in order to prove you're right lol
mint adder
Id like to see the io on this guy
astral path
I just detected a slight uppityness so wanted to see what a true pro looked like?
mint adder
Yeah, learn a few things
heady ether
All im gonna say is that I have the highest dps on mythic jaina in the server
jovial haven
slight.. pretty sure the "of all people" part lol @astral path
astral path
P:
jovial haven
and before low pop/dead server lol
astral path
I keep my discord name my main, I'm somewhat of a filthy casual but I'm not embarassed 😃 yall can stalk my silly dwarf. I just wanted to see his build if he's so confident is all
mint adder
I won’t trust a man who values holes over armor on a shield
astral path
alright that decides it, it's a troll xD
mint adder
How is this impressive
heady ether
I replaced it with reckless flurry instead to max out
jovial haven
good for you, grats. but doesn't make you right
stoic pilot
hi parsemonger
mint adder
Link the logs
heady ether
😉 meekuh
weary thorn
maybe crenshaw renamed himself
heady ether
BFI is shit
stoic pilot
I just figured bfi would be good with RF since you run devastator for ST dmg anyways
heady ether
Jaina also aint a ST fight, lots of cleave
stoic pilot
well yeah I was just curious for yours
i don't have bastion / rf pieces (i don't think)
heady ether
Missing out then
weary thorn
rf is for st, bfi is for st, but bfi is shit?
glacial olive
I think rf will get you a bit more st dps
stoic pilot
i run double RF / bfi so it's not that bad, simming at like 19.8k single target
glacial olive
but at least bfi is solid defensively too
lime mantle
Retard here: isn’t Jaine cleave just at the end?
At which point you wanna mcnuke the boss?
glacial olive
depends if you MC them lol
lime mantle
Don’t you just Mc they off?
glacial olive
cleaving elemental 🤔
lime mantle
Wouldn’t then DC be good!
heady ether
No need to MC the marine, if u stun the first cast then they will not drop the barrel
glacial olive
you're right but lots of guilds still MC regardless
lime mantle
Because you hit two guys with clash and gives an extra of dr via shout extension?
heady ether
And passive cleave will destroy them well before they try to cast again
glacial olive
my guild only MCs one of them
heady ether
the 950ish auto attack dmg is better then DC
glacial olive
its worth mentioning if you run the devastator talent you dont use demoralizing shout on CD (at least not for dps purposes), which means DC loses dps value
heady ether
Yeah, also if u do some math
You would auto attack more than you thunder clap and even with the cleave u wont get enough "hits" to beat out the number of auto attacks
heady ether
Not only does flurry hit harder, your auto attacks go out more often
oblique garnet
your rage gen is worse with devastator tho
heady ether
Not rly an issue, don't need more rage... I get plenty with deva
A benefit of deva is that u don't need to use DS on CD to max out dps, u can save it and use it as a proper CD
glacial olive
thats ignoring the fact that more rage = more revenge/ignorepain, which also reduces the cooldown on important shit through AM
but the fact that it makes DS an actual defensive CD is a plus in my book too
heady ether
Yeah having DS not be on CD all the time is good for CD rotations
glacial olive
thats not a valid argument lol
oblique garnet
ds cd is around 25 seconds with proper play
heady ether
Its potent, with deva I was saving it for the later few ice shards to reduce dmg further than my shield block. With BV it would've been used ahead fo time, regardless of its CD
glacial olive
yea alright and how much DS uptime do you have with proper play?
oblique garnet
65+
glacial olive
so you dont see the benefit in turning that into closer to 100% effective uptime?
heady ether
Uptime doesn't matter, what matters more is when you have it up
heady ether
I wouldn't use it otherwise
oblique garnet
Not pushing for offensive value on a raid that has barely any tank damage 🤔
lime mantle
I have a question:
Should I get RF for ST raid even without devastator as long as I keep x1 DC?
glacial olive
Late the discussion is about using the devastator talent
which is a ST dps upgrade
but turns DS into a defensive CD rathre than offensive
heady ether
DS is worse for dps by a mile
oblique garnet
On a pure ST fight yes its an upgrade
heady ether
Nope
oblique garnet
Yes
sick sentinel
Is this any good?
sick sentinel
lol
glacial olive
kappa
fresh valley
vendor that shit
heady ether
Id put that to good use
glacial olive
gz on your new trinket though, thats sick
sick sentinel
Alright then 1 expulsom coming up
heady ether
I mean that on 7 bosses out of 9, I use devastator
lime mantle
Which ones you don’t?
heady ether
Champs (I tank the adds) and rastakhan
oblique garnet
Its better on Grong, Mekka and Jaina
lime mantle
Rasta for adds right?
heady ether
Yeah
astral path
Banshee that makes me so sad x_x I have 2 absolute shit trinkets right now
glacial olive
better on conclave too
not sure how it compares to BV on 2 targets but I think on jadefire as well
heady ether
Its better on 7/9 fights and 8/9 if you have to tank the boss
sick sentinel
Yeah I was just bm'ing
austere oar
Too used to BV to take it out personnally
glacial olive
its refreshing to be able to use DS as a defensive
but the occasional downtime of not having your devastate-filler feels a bit awkward
austere oar
🐒
heady ether
Devastator can easily cmpete with BV for defensive value, one can clearly see that if you go away from the ideas revolving rage
compete*
glacial olive
compete sure, but I think BV is still strictly better
didnt marok have some spreadsheet laying around describing that?
naive panther
Had some crazy luck with devastator to where you have extremely fast return of avatar.
heady ether
I don't rly have downtime issues with deva
austere oar
You surely have a time where both TC and SS are down without a revenge proc
glacial olive
I definitely do lol
heady ether
Use rage on revenge then
glacial olive
yea but you dont always have that
heady ether
If played properly, you will have it
austere oar
And you might need that rage later on
glacial olive
even when running offensive talents, sometimes you still want to use rage on IP :p
heady ether
Yeah sometimes, I only pressed IP like 19 times on jaina
Which was quite a lot tbh, I still had rage tho for revenges
astral path
What's your main's name? I seriously just want to check out your gear/spec/etc
Or is that breaking the fourth wall?
astral path
Can't find it 😐 DM me if it's shneaky shneaky
heady ether
Tough luck
lime mantle
Confirmed shitposter, but insightful.
jovial haven
parsemonger
stoic pilot
ya, can't actually search it tho since it's an archived character
stoic pilot
oh you can still find your logs
heady ether
Yeah
stoic pilot
yeah I'm in the process of going back LFD
stoic pilot
funny enough, i checked azerite. actually do have RF / bastion
going to give that a go on our next reclear
heady ether
RF is really good
heady ether
Well I have 2 traits of it lolz
modern brook
wow is it shit opinion hour already
heady ether
No its enlightenment hour
stoic pilot
yeah I'd have 2x RF / 3x Bastion / 1x DC
exotic spoke
Rather aggressive
stoic pilot
nah most of my azerite is residuum vendor
heady ether
Lots of solid stuff there
stoic pilot
i've just recently started trying to make a ST spec so I didn't bank up azerite for it
heady ether
A lot of what I said was a bit parse focused but deva is not "weak" defensively, it can hold its own with BV
Hopefully you can take away something of worth from what I said
astral path
Someday ill find a proper home for my horde, the poor things are so spread out...RIP! Haven't found a server that I can settle down in xD
lime mantle
Imagine alliance lel
heady ether
Im horde now lolz
exotic spoke
Imagine Horde ... oof
heady ether
Ally is good tho, lightforged #1
exotic spoke
Regular old space goat
modern brook
😬
exotic spoke
So, starting Mekkatorque tonight... is it as aids as it looks . Should I come prepared with a bottle to drown my sorrows?
heady ether
Mekka is a good fight
stoic pilot
it's not a hard fight for tanks
exotic spoke
Right, so kinda like opulence where I wanted to yell at the dps for fucking up
Yeah
stoic pilot
basically, but also be observant of stacks if you have a dk tank gripping the bots out
exotic spoke
Hide behind pillars previously
heady ether
It gives it to a tank right, it only gives it to the tank that currently has aggro (every 2nd gigavolt is for the tank)
exotic spoke
Yeah
stoic pilot
last night we had really bad rng and sometimes he wouldn't even get stacks reset before he had to go grip a bot
because parry rng
stoic pilot
Shouldn't be too hard on you then
exotic spoke
2 dks and like 4-5 Druids
stoic pilot
then yeah, enjoy not having to move very much outside of gigavolts / shrinks should be very tank and spank for you and your co tank
heady ether
Make your co tank get gigavolts
exotic spoke
More uptime for our dps?
heady ether
Mhm
stoic pilot
is that really a thing? because in our run we didn't have any difference with it because when we'd get gigavolt the boss was generally either leaping away or I was able to taunt immediately
heady ether
Yeah well whoever has aggro
exotic spoke
I like the way you think. I tend to end up with those roles
heady ether
After my first kill I did some studying on that and figured that out
stoic pilot
i guess it depends if you're tanking the boss each bot spawn
exotic spoke
Yeah noticed that in heroic
heady ether
U can set up a rotation that works
stoic pilot
because it didnt line up like that for us, but we only had our bdk gripping bots and dps never really lost uptime
heady ether
Yeah, I would make them get the gigavolt charge
run out, do grips
then go hide and come back
heady ether
Mekka is a cock block for most guilds
heady ether
Its not a hard fight, just little room for error
exotic spoke
Aight
heady ether
Best of luck
heady ether
I would recommend you steer off your current course of action
heady ether
Drink water!
exotic spoke
I do! Water and coffee pretty much all I drink. More water than coffee
weary thorn
I switched off coffee lately, around the same time i dropped tobacco
that was a fun couple weeks
10 years was long enough
weary thorn
it was interesting
didnt get headaches like some
it was more the habit of doing it
and then just..not
like ricky bobby not knowing what to do with his hands
but thank you, wife is much happier that I stopped
exotic spoke
Good for you man.
I should stop coffee again, but I don’t drink too much. 1, maybe 2, a day depending on the day
weary thorn
I swapped over to tea if I needed caffeine
now I still enjoy coffee on the weekends, dont get me wrong
I just dont do two cups every morning lol
exotic spoke
Oh yeah - I get that.
exotic spoke
Just old 😦
lime mantle
That’s some low amount of caffeine
lime mantle
I normally don’t get off bed until 140mg+ (energy drink). I am amazed people who drink like one coffee a day think that’s too much.
Yes I have issues.
sweet kettle
And some are 4
weary thorn
well, people who dont drink coffee are likely getting the energy from something else in their diet
either its high in caffeine, like some teas, or different vitamins
half carbon
heady ether
Sim
heady ether
Go do top gear sim
fresh valley
and lots and lots of water
primal sable
Coffee is a scam
weary thorn
the 420 barnacle is going to have more primary stat not counting procs, but yea I'd sim it owlow
primal sable
Dont buy into its effects, its Big Caffeinne trying to steal your coin
weary thorn
yea just like Big Titan Residuum tryna steal all your hard work for shit fury shoulders
primal sable
Shit shoulders aaaaa that hits me hard
fresh valley
i'm trying to decide if i wanna drop 7k on cthraxxi or nah
weary thorn
let me introduce you to my warehouse of Lockjaws
fresh valley
i think it'll depend on if i get the rasta chest sunday or not
heady ether
I dropped 7k for it, no regrets
heady ether
Do a raidbots droptomizer for best azurite pieces u can buy from vendor
keep im mind, it doesn't sim reckless flurry cuz its a "fury trait"
weary thorn
rf leans into a st build
celest gate
Seems not great
heady ether
rf and rezan's fury is very good
weary thorn
parsemonger you should write up a guide so we can just link it. Instead of you having to rehash everytime someone comes in and see you mention rf lol
exotic spoke
RF is very good in specific situations
heady ether
Good for 7/9 bosses
exotic spoke
Like I would never use it in pushing m+
heady ether
Obv
lime mantle
Writing a guide would mean breaking 4th wall tho
exotic spoke
Right, it’s a matter of ST versus general versus aoe.
weary thorn
is this a comic book or some shit? Am I breaking the 4th wall by asking about the 4th wall as if we were in a comic?
heady ether
Thing about rf, it deals more dmg that the DC and will get more "hits"
exotic spoke
It’s a pure dps trait right?
exotic spoke
Whereas if you’re dying you shouldn’t take it. If you’re not dying drop survivability and get more dps
Indirectly sure.
heady ether
The best defense Is the best offense
lime mantle
If you kill the boss you get loot so you kill the boss faster so you kill the boss so he doesn’t kill you!
200iq strat
heady ether
Also @exotic spoke , I consider the azurite traits as just extra. You aint droppin survivability by taking RF because your character by itself is baseline... The traits are just extra
Like u can kill bosses without any traits
Will be weaker but eh
sand condor
5 packs at a time
modern brook
I tanked a free hold for the first time this season
and these nerds are like "UHHH WE NEED TO JOIN THE GROUP STILL"
bitch i know
shut up and hurt what i pull
😠
lime mantle
Where in freehold you do 5 packs? At the event or before the second boss?
modern brook
Uhhhh 5?
i think the only place to actually do that is clearing 2nd boss room
I think Vic may have been exagerating 🤷
I just double pull basically everything, triples when the packs are small
old zephyr
EVERYWHERE man
modern brook
free hold trash shouldnt be pulled one at a time though, its really ez
pastel holly
is it worth do use 3x BoM and 3x TC (for the dmg, shout doesn`t stack I know) or should I use 1x TC and 1X sheeming (haste procc after 3 attacks) and 1X bloodsport
old zephyr
Bloodsport is pure defensive
lusty grotto
depends if you're pushing or not
being defensive = able to pull more on higher keys
pastel holly
i just started doing 10`s after working myself up the ladder
lusty grotto
more mobs = more damage
i have no idea what sheeming is, do you know the translation in english?
is it Meticulous Scheming?
it sounds like it according to your description
modern brook
hi nim
modern brook
:^)
@pastel holly there is no should
if u need mongo aoe go for mongo aoe, if u need some more defensive value go for defensive value
It really doesnt matter
pastel holly
@lusty grotto yes thats what i meant
modern brook
use that as an excuse to change shit based on comp and key
pastel holly
ye okay, appreciate every advice. 10`s so long are defenitly more fun than the lower ones
people suddenly kick and stun
modern brook
😬
old zephyr
13s is where people start playing well
pastel holly
i know it`s not that high
lusty grotto
lmao
pastel holly
but i try to climb the ladder further
modern brook
10-11 is the worst pugging experience in keys TBH
lusty grotto
13s? LMAO
modern brook
sub 10 u can carry
old zephyr
10s are mostly "do a chest and logoff" keys
modern brook
I mean 10s u can carry too, but like
lusty grotto
until you get to 15s and people decide to be fucking retarded again
modern brook
everyone in 10s are shitters cause of what sav said
@lusty grotto speaking of 15s
Ur talking to a master
🤠
pastel holly
okay haha then lets hope 😄
lusty grotto
gz
pastel holly
thanks guys
old zephyr
15s may have the 10 syndrome though
lusty grotto
im talking 15-17s
old zephyr
but 13-14s usually don't
lusty grotto
so many fucking toxic retards
grim berry
Am i the only one thinking that this "Boost" on warcraftlogs is kinda toxic for the parse ranking ?
old zephyr
high enough for lowish people to try
low enough for high Idontiveaf____er to avoid
modern brook
the major difference between 10 shitters and 15 shitters is that 10 shitters will die 47 times with a triple destro lock damage core
lusty grotto
boost has been around here before
modern brook
and 15 shitters will die 45 times with meta classes
lusty grotto
you gotta understand what cheese parsing is
and why parsing this late is unimportant
modern brook
do ppl take parses seariously?
red wedge
unfortunately, yes.
modern brook
xd
lusty grotto
i mean Mfkillers clearly does
grim berry
Nothing personal here, i just think it's pretty lame
lusty grotto
it doesn't matter
grim berry
I can now go on with my life
modern brook
wow's pretty lame dude
lusty grotto
its late into the expansion
pastel holly
to avoid this breath from the 2nd boss in underot - just walk away?
lusty grotto
people will cheese
red wedge
@pastel holly Yes, or leap.
lusty grotto
yes you can leap out
modern brook
leap is a lot safer tbh
pastel holly
ok
modern brook
but obvs CDs
pastel holly
good to know
red wedge
It is.. but you can time it to just walk away
modern brook
IDR if it lines up
lusty grotto
whichever is more convenient for you
modern brook
honestly i havent done a UR since i timed my 15
red wedge
it's range is pretty short.
pastel holly
do you walk a straight line back or is it enough to step a chunk sideways after he starts casting it?
modern brook
🤷
lusty grotto
:p
red wedge
You need to run backwards, because he turns to face you as he shoots it
modern brook
IDK if it was with you
lusty grotto
it was
modern brook
I just know im never doing it again
red wedge
before it casts, i mean
modern brook
its a shit dungeon with shit loot
lusty grotto
🗞
red wedge
it's static during the cast, but he'll keep facing you until it casts.
pastel holly
@red wedge ok gtk
red wedge
I worded that really weirdly, but i think you understood my intent. ;p
modern brook
he turret targets :^)
red wedge
Yea
lusty grotto
yeah you run backwards
red wedge
😄
modern brook
the real question on crawg is can u convince your DPS that their defensives work on tantrum
lusty grotto
the real question on any boss is
if you can convinced your dps that their defensives work
period
KR first boss comes to mind
marble cipher
Or that they need to step on the maggot thingies during tantrum
lusty grotto
because apparently NOBODY FUCKING USES DEFENSIVES ON GOLD DoT
modern brook
riposte doesnt deal damage so its not on my bars
lusty grotto
then they go "ow shit that hurts"
marble cipher
Riposte deals damage, if they get a melee hit, isn't it a sort of retaliate?
modern brook
Im going with know cause ur ruining my joke
🤷
U guys ever think about how easy a dungeon Shrine is when its ran correctly
unborn island
@lusty grotto I did it last night, safeguarded basically every one...the pugs were like 'Oh that doesn't hit very hard actually' after the boss....
marble cipher
lusty grotto
yeah i fucking safeguard everyone on that boss
old zephyr
when I fury I love to see the tank melt pop CD and tank it just fine 😃
lusty grotto
and people still die because apparently they are still unprepared in 15+
pastel holly
good to have that discord to get to know all the little tricks
naive panther
@modern brook I love UR now. Can pump that place. Unless your dps can’t call their interrupts.
modern brook
The dungeon isnt hard its just bullshit
🤷
I dont think theres a single point in UR where im like "yeah this is enjoyable"
unborn island
Once you're past cragmaw it's free
slim cosmos
UR at higher levels is basically impossible to do without voice chat (in pugs), unless you're in one of those rare groups where everyone kind of just automatically falls into team synergy
unborn island
But those first 2 are aids
modern brook
Even to crag its free
first boss w/ prot tank is ezpz
none of the trash is hard without like bolstering
its just not fun
slim cosmos
even prot war would die on a 19 if one blood bolt gets through
modern brook
I mean
"X is hard when it isnt done" is a given
turns out taking 0 damage >>>>>>>>> taking 200k
prot tank trivializes the kick rotation on the first boss
slim cosmos
well yeah, but kinds of difficulty are difficult because they require coordination and reliance on others
versus the kind of difficulty that you can carry the team through
modern brook
I feel like you're saying "UR is ez if ur team is playing the game, but will get hard when ur carying some unga bungas"
to which i agree
unborn island
It's not hard...Just terrifying
modern brook
Ultimately my problem with the dungeon is that, as a tank, you dont do anything
slim cosmos
yeah, as opposed to Freehold where you can carry everyone through even at pretty high levels
modern brook
like the most you do in that dungeon is face 3rd boss at stuff
lime mantle
@slim cosmos tyrannical first boss is already onesjotting you at 18 with bolt.
It is great fun to deflect it and see te boss chunked for like 400k
modern brook
Your survivability is 100% reliant on your team your play just creates a buffer for their mistakes
weary thorn
last boss ez pz with communication. Stack up and then walk through the giant mongo halfway through his cast. His ground effect can only launch like 1 tileset to his rear, so you're much less likely to even get touched by it. Then the tank can pull him and face him back to all the sperg. Rinse and repeat
modern brook
last boss is EZ even when it goes to shit
lusty grotto
Victory rush spamerinos
modern brook
Blood Warrior
lusty grotto
Your key is fucked cause I'm never dying
It's a good thing statue Boi helps you out
Speaking of which
modern brook
Unbound abomination has been slain in: 15minutes and 32 seconds; you have 0 wipes on this difficulty
lusty grotto
That motherfucker scared the shit outta me when the expansion came out a couple of times
modern brook
E x p l o s i o n
lusty grotto
Fucking stomping around
Jesus christ what the fuck is that
It was statue boi of course
Or Titan robot boi
honest canopy
Hellu
lusty grotto
Yo
honest canopy
Hows life
lusty grotto
Lunch time @ popeyes
Only Popeyes in the world where spicy doesn't take 30 mins more
lusty grotto
Walks are good
modern brook
@lusty grotto u quit wow or no
lusty grotto
For a moment yes
modern brook
😠
lusty grotto
But yamo brought me back
modern brook
RESPECTABLE
lusty grotto
cutiehunter
modern brook
I want to roll a new character
but most classes dont look very interesting to me
I'm just suuuuuuuuuuuuper fucking sick of outlaw and my ass gear is still ass
weary thorn
roll brm for the fun and interactive tanking rotation
modern brook
😬
weary thorn
lel
modern brook
honestly this close to gearing my DH
Havoc will be fun next patch at the very least and VDH might not be shit
🤷
i just hate dhs
limber breach
Yo peeps. If u guys have to choose between having 1 bloodsport, or 1 Callous reprisal. What would you choose?
unborn island
@modern brook frost mage
I got one, it's a very nice change from tanking/melee
And without the stupid amount of responsibility of being the healer
modern brook
@unborn island :^) Thats actually a sick suggestion
I was thinking about RDPS on the whole
I have a 112 mage and a 118 warlock
@limber breach its super preference based unless you have a BoM trait
in which case take BS
I mean I'd say go BS either way
but CR and BS are pretty close in value
CR offers some offensive benefits, while BS is really strong defensively
oblique garnet
@modern brook Go Elemental
oblique garnet
resto only
lusty grotto
Damn it
oblique garnet
but they are pretty fun
lusty grotto
Boomkin it is
oblique garnet
useless
jovial haven
i have a boomkin and frost mage both just under 400 cus i only do 1 key a week on them if i don't wait til sun/mon to do my keys
both have shit traits
jovial haven
i have too many 120s
lusty grotto
I have way too many 110s+
dense flame
This week honestly is so fun if you even have a slightly above average group who can interrupt shit. Just do giga pulls.
Big claps
Big satisfaction
Big ..... well you know 👍
jovial haven
lets see my 120s are: warrior, dk,pally,mage,boomie horde. Alliance are: monk,lock,dh
sick sentinel
Any alliance EU tanks on here who might want to tank some keys ^^?
lusty grotto
This isn't lfg
tawny sphinx
How good is Idol of Indiscriminate Consumption-trinket for mythic jaina? Overall in M+ It healed alot, and worked fine defensive-wise, did some decent dps aswell. Healer did not notice my allies taking more dmg than usally.
lusty grotto
Try #promotion
sick sentinel
Mb mb
jovial haven
i was messing around the other day and got myself a 110 horde dh for toying with. warrior and pally are most fun to me, in that order lol
dense flame
You know DH is pretty damn chill.
lusty grotto
Well consider the fact that idol takes from whatever is around
dense flame
Havoc is very smooth. Vengeance tool kit is nice. But rotation can feel clunky
lusty grotto
So mythic jaina has frozen people, images, maybe elemental depending on strat
dense flame
Depending on if you use throw glaive as filler or just wait for empty GCD
lusty grotto
I would be very cautious with it on that fight
In m+ you're surrounded by trash for the most part so you're not hurting your teammates at all
That's different in a fight like jaina
@tawny sphinx
I wonder if it does draw from inanimate objects though... It should, right?
red wedge
The tooltip is hostiles and allies or enemies and allies or something.. so I would think that if you can hit it, or if you can heal it, the trinket works on it.
red wedge
I think the ice blocks themselves are considered hostiles.. but I'm not positive on that.
ooo the barrels are probably neutral.
lusty grotto
Would interesting to see whether it does or not
red wedge
Yar
lusty grotto
I'd imagine it may be similar to rooted targets in shrine first boss or snakes on 2nd ToS boss
Oh yeah Daily reminder that roots on 1st shrine boss are killed via stuns like snakes on ToS, because apparently people still don't know that as of today
:p
red wedge
I had to tell some people in temple last night to just stun the snake wrap.
lusty grotto
Yeah
red wedge
'cause they were beating on it. ;p
lusty grotto
Happened to me on my rogue yesterday
red wedge
I just try to save storm bolt and shockwave for those.. and hope the CDs line up. haha
lusty grotto
When bte was down at least
celest gate
Cant it also be gouged etc
red wedge
any stun / disorient works, i thought
lusty grotto
Well shit that one I didn't know
red wedge
'cause they're considered creatures performing an attack
lime mantle
Imprisonments works
As does the fear circle@I think
Because it’s an uncap not fear
oblique garnet
que up for freehold
end up boosting 2 people who are just afk
And no mount fucking drops
red wedge
I've given up on that mount. it'll never drop for me.
oblique garnet
Im at 400~ harlan sweete kills now
red wedge
bleh
I haven't ran freehold in a while. My regular keys folks haven't gotten one in ages... that being said, we did have a streak like a month ago where we got 15 > 16 > 17 > 18 FH in a row off the same key
I think we had 4 waycrests to start this week.
lusty grotto
all the keys i have to get up are the tough ones this week
fuck
well
WM at least
the other 2 are KR and Siege
which are manageable
red wedge
Yea
lusty grotto
on bosses
oblique garnet
Wm is free
red wedge
As long as people dont fuck around on witches.
lusty grotto
not if you're pugging and dps isnt good enough on witches
too many mongos spec'd for aoe
last week was funny though
"hey we need a rogue"
all rogues queueing were assassination
i asked one of them when they invited him
"outlaw is getting nerfed"
bitch that's in 3 months
ALSO ITS FORT WEEK
red wedge
lol
lusty grotto
so i assume all other rogues followed the same line of thought
red wedge
My rogue only plays outlaw
Rather, the rogue in my group. He can play sub-ass
just doesnt like to
oblique garnet
I got hit with the ”you want me to play assa”
Like wtf
why would i want you to do that
red wedge
lol
old zephyr
For raid ?
red wedge
M+
old zephyr
Also if you already have 2 others outlaw ?
oblique garnet
Still no
lone steppe
What do you guys think of the lurkers trinket for prot?
red wedge
Yea. That's what my group's rogue says.. "Outlaw is the most fun. I'm going to play what I find fun."
lusty grotto
i give bull a pass cause he does extremely well as assassination
inner moth
Assassination dmg is insane, even on aoe u can do respectable dmg
red wedge
honestly, I'd rather have my group all having fun than forcing someone to play somethign they hate.
It's just a key.
lusty grotto
yeah pretty much
i think the nerf is okay
but people are blowing it out of proportion as always
old zephyr
You mean face roll right ?
lusty grotto
the only nerf rogues need was already announced with the shroud shit
sick sentinel
And nerf on 4+
lusty grotto
yup
sick sentinel
With more targets getting even worse
lusty grotto
hmm now that you say that
sick sentinel
And reaping is going away
lusty grotto
were there any changes to unholy?
lusty grotto
i dont think i saw any, not that it matters if you can't pull hella big
yeah that one i saw
lusty grotto
i like frost, ❤ undead pet
old zephyr
Isn't it nerf on 3rd already ?
lusty grotto
eh?
old zephyr
2 per target vs 5 flat
inland mesa
keep aggro off my unholy dk when i don't have avatar is :yikes:
sick sentinel
On 3 targets it is 4% pre-nerf and 5%post nerf
modern brook
- outlaw is for nerds
- elemental is for bigger nerds
- IDG why you wont let me play Sub
lusty grotto
should i let bull play sub
modern brook
yes
oblique garnet
No
lusty grotto
open question
oblique garnet
Sub is useöess
lusty grotto
lol
lusty grotto
yeah i def saw that
lusty grotto
leave bull alone 😢
modern brook
I cant wait for sub to get buffed
and everyone will be like "oh bull plz play sub"
and ill be on my outlaw shit
Fuck u
sick sentinel
Lol
modern brook
also as an aisde: LOL at thinking Wits change is a meaningful nerf
lusty grotto
hey tell that to all rogues rolling assassination now
modern brook
🤷 Im not going to because u should just be inviting me for all your rogue needs
lusty grotto
lmao
i ran with a 2k rogue last week that wanted me to reflect mass shadowbolt on KR
so no interrupts on it
rip KEY
😢
wary gyro
Wait what
oblique garnet
🤔
wary gyro
Did he think it reflects for the whole group or sonething
lusty grotto
apparently
oblique garnet
Just flame bullfango for not getting 5 rolls every time
reef harness
what's the stat prio as prot for m+? I have like no idea
sick sentinel
best stat is ilvl
@reef harness well read the guide ( preferably icy veins) but I have a personal FaQ that I can pm you
lusty grotto
#268491842637660160 icy veins guide 😃
reef harness
even for azerite gear? I'm using 385 instead of 400 because
reef harness
*of traits
modern brook
I would highly suggest reading the guide
lusty grotto
uhh...
lusty grotto
if you want the condensed version give Kaege's a try
which i most def haven't seen yet
sick sentinel
@reef harness check pms
Nim I have posted it here twice to get opinions
Late rated it 10/10
lusty grotto
ok ill search for it
inner moth
kaege
sick sentinel
I can just pm you lol
exotic spoke
I’d love to read it too late if you don’t mind
lusty grotto
this is good
sick sentinel
I just pmed everyone lol
lusty grotto
quick report kaege as a spammer
oblique garnet
??
lusty grotto
jk
oblique garnet
I didnt write anything
sick sentinel
Late rated it, I wrote it
oblique garnet
Sleep you say?
sick sentinel
What is that
oblique garnet
But im busy binge watching got
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
are you rewatching it or something
modern brook
ha, more like 👬me of thrones
sick sentinel
He was watching got while dpsing on his sham
lusty grotto
hold on i got the meme for bull
exotic spoke
Nice cliff notes
modern brook
bcuz i dont get the hype surrounding it
oblique garnet
Yes im rewatching it
exotic spoke
I started watching it right before season five. After the first few episodes I was hooked. In a long weekend I watched the first 3 seasons and then before next weekend I watched the 4th.
lusty grotto
Photo from nimchip
exotic spoke
Oh and sorry, it was good kaege I wasn’t paying attention when o said that lol
lusty grotto
@modern brook
told you i gotcha
right up there with vegans, herbalife people, and crossfitters
lusty grotto
jesus christ
oblique garnet
Cant be a real chef and vegan at the same time :^)
Think of what Chef Nimchip would do
oblique garnet
@modern brook have you timed a kr with pugs yet?
modern brook
Ur talking to a keystone master late
@lusty grotto u ready for my next play of debating between VDH, Feral Druid, frost DK, and arcane mage
modern brook
I mean KR is an overhyped dungeon imo
modern brook
its likea consistent 6-7/10 on the difficulty scale
dense flame
Idk I think 2nd boss on higher tyran can get stressful during the point where you are waiting for fires to despawn
lusty grotto
yeah that's probably true
haughty briar
Yo guys Im so triggered rn, was doing a +20 sethralis and sometime I reflect the cylclone strike and sometimes it just hits me!!! and its not pointing at me anytime wtf
lusty grotto
best way to manage that boss is just to try to be close to each other but not stacked that you get fucked in the ass by volcanic
dense flame
@haughty briar
haughty briar
interior jolt?
lusty grotto
#268491842637660160 read what it says in the reflectable guide
dense flame
Typo, you need to make sure someone interrupt the other boss’s cast
Or else you accidentally will reflect that
lusty grotto
no need to do that if you do the 2nd cyclone strike
haughty briar
!Only works if initial cast doesn't target you - avoid if starts at you!!
it never starts at me
dense flame
What you mean nim
dense flame
He does two waves? Guess I’m just blind af.
lusty grotto
the only drawback of doing it there, is if you get targetted you're fucked