I mostly know what I'm doing but we can always improve
#protection
burnt fossil
novel cedar
does iron fortress stack?
austere oar
Under a melee oriented boss with little magic damage, you're basically invincible as long as SB and LS are up
elfin plume
am i right to say that you should be using ignore pain more than revenge in a fight
not in a hc fight that does no damage
i mean on progression like with the restless cabal
austere oar
You should be yeah
warm plinth
@celest gate If you have a big pull and no way to clear raging, then yeah you're probably gonna have to either kite or have DPS that can make sure not all the mobs rage at the same time. (or save CCs for when mobs would enter raging so you can burn them down while they're CCed)
neon tangle
@celest gate just to make sure, do you have anyone who can soothe?
Also what ghash said, if there’s a dangerous mob and you can’t remove the raging kite or Stun it to death
modern brook
even with raging; Block should stop most of the white damage
I'd say its way more likely you're either messing up your defensive rotations, giving your back, your healer is afk, or your group is letting abilties get off
neon tangle
^^^ prolly that
modern brook
Like if you dont have shield block to cover the <30% range you should be kiting, but you should also like get better DPS at that point cause thats like a 2 minute pull if you're doing stuff right
^thats an exageration, but SB uptime is trivial to maintain with gear and proper play
modern brook
Do you have a VOD / Log of it?
celest gate
No :(
modern brook
its hard to tell you what happened without one
modern brook
I mean its a better option than dying right?
If its a consistent issue you should be holding all AoE CC for the rage window
(when u can)
celest gate
Yeah, I just didnt know if people were able to live it or they kited
modern brook
🤷 my general rule of thumb is if the prot warrior is dying to white damage, someone somewhere is not doing their job
be it the tank, the healer, or the DPS not adjusting for higher key levels
celest gate
I had a dh who used darkness when I was at 10% :^)
modern brook
thats a look for sure :^(
celest gate
I will try the 16 it turned into at some point and try to give logs
It didnt matter much dying on trash as the last boss people died to swirls on the ground
modern brook
Seige is a hard dungeon if you're not coordinated
celest gate
But, I'd rather that be the reason to not time than me being dead
modern brook
the other thing to note when reviewing those deaths is just cause the last like 4 things that hit you were melee's doesnt mean thats what killed you
celest gate
Yeah
It's usually the accumulation of everything
One death was because I had nothing left
No shield blocks or anything
modern brook
My experience with Prot tanking is if you die: your healers been dead or you got hit by something really fucking bursty - generally a "dont stand in fire" moment
celest gate
Which is what raging doesnwhen all of them rage at the same time
I will have to save shockwave and fear more for the end
modern brook
if your DH has big brain syndrome, you can use Shockwave at the start of the pul
and he can CN when the pack is at 30% and his burst is already used
DR will generally be over
celest gate
I dont even know when they were stunning
celest gate
I dont normally run with them
celest gate
They're a friend of a friend
modern brook
Annother strong rule of thumb: all dps are monkeys
celest gate
What if prot damage made me a monkey 🤔
celest gate
On my brew there's no way I would fien where I did
modern brook
prot warrior is an ezpz spec
celest gate
Ring of peace is broken
modern brook
you literally read a book some nerd wrote on it and then you're unkillable
no offense marok
austere oar
I mean we just press clap and we're gods
modern brook
🤠
chilly brook
I feel like DH is a perfect spec to play this game with a controller
celest gate
It's a fun spec
chilly brook
In fact
austere oar
Could even play it with a steering wheel
modern brook
already done griff
austere oar
Left for beam right for chaos strike
modern brook
ur not even zipping or zooping
celest gate
Horn is meta?
modern brook
how bad of a DH are you
austere oar
Me warrior me not smart
modern brook
🐒
burnt fossil
What was that one mmo recently
Tera?
It would literally line up your combos for you. Just press R1
modern brook
I mean not the place for it but that def sounds like the sort of opinion of someone who never made it past level 20 in tera
which like
good for you
weeb game
spare estuary
burnt fossil
past level 20? try past the starting zone!
back to something relevant
am i holding myself back if i am running zero BFI traits? or is the difference pretty minimal
sick sentinel
Raiding or mplus
burnt fossil
raiding
sick sentinel
Well it is one of the best ST surv traits
But you can survive without it
You're holding yourself back by not using dc
Rest can be made to work
If you know what you're doing there is no tank damage anyway
modern brook
fresh valley
exotic spoke
More Booty Claps
coarse shore
Hey! Any Zandalari trolls who are tanking mythic Jaina
what racial would you say it best?
chilly brook
The racial won't matter lol
coarse shore
You say that but there is the bleed for more damage, the movementspeed for transition and avalanche and the defensive one for health and Armor
warm plinth
In the end, it will make an insignificant difference, just like it does for all other content.
No one is going to fail to kill the boss based on a racial. If you want more damage, go Kimbul. if you want more movespeed, go Grong. If you want more defensive, go Krug'wa or w/e it's called. But none of them will make the difference between killing the boss/not killing the boss or surviving a hit/not surviving a hit.
chilly brook
^^^^^
People in this discord focus too much on trying to min max their stats instead of min maxing their play
Where'd it go lmao
warm plinth
I usually delete gifs after they've been up for a few seconds so they don't inconvenience people. People in Discord get testy about strange things.
lusty grotto
lmao
undone sun
😬
lusty grotto
yeah im not even gonna bother
undone sun
where they trying to pick every wrong talent
warm plinth
It's actually incredibly irritating when you see these people that don't have a fucking clue when there are so many resources that they can use to realize they're doing nothing correctly.
undone sun
pass
final mist
👏👏👏
chilly brook
What did we do?
final mist
Find Jesus instead of finding all of these casual, namsayin
warm plinth
But the casuals are more in yo face
It's hard to ignore
That being said, I would still probably try to help 😢
lusty grotto
sal with the words of wisdom
warm plinth
https://giphy.com/gifs/1Bh3lhR664JVA4pmjH is the gif you're looking for I think Sal
oblique garnet
No.
final mist
I quit WoW and found God, now I’m a much better memelord
warm plinth
Oh dear lol!!!
final mist
It’d help a lot of you tbh
undone sun
😬
final mist
Also yes, people focus too much on trying to min max unimportant shit when worrying about basic mechanics would help them much more
That BE racial ain’t gonna save you from your 20% SB uptime
👏👏👏
warm plinth
Tbf people have a tendency to encourage them. Most of the time I see people asking about what they could do better, people start asking them about traits and shit and it's like wait, let's address what's ACTUALLY probably the problem.
But it gives me 15 rage 🤔
lusty grotto
every time i say your talents are wrong, people become angry so
warm plinth
I don't even tell them that their stuff is wrong. I just whisper them and suggest they either come here or read the IV guide.
It's just baffling to me that people don't automatically seek whatever resource they can find when making a new toon. I'm looking at the IV guide for any class I level when I first make the damn thing to make sure I'm getting the right practice in for max level while leveling
lusty grotto
yeah that was my usual go-to as well, directing them here
warm plinth
Only time I specifically address something is if it's like really low SB uptime and they're getting trucked by stuff
granite jolt
Alot of people think class discords are a joke
warm plinth
Then I'll say something like hey you'd survive a lot better if you prioritized Shield Block
Most of the time they take it pretty well.
Some of the class discords are a joke, but that doesn't mean the information they have isn't worth reading.
I think the DH discord is completely ridiculous, but I stll go there to read the information they have on the specs.
warm plinth
Eh, I'm optimistic; at least it seems like Blizzard recognizes a problem, even though it's pretty clear they don't know how to fix the problem.
burnt fossil
yeah the new changes seem trivial
warm plinth
It's pretty decent in M+. Not a mandatory trinket by any means but it's solid.
warm plinth
RAGE is one of our best trinkets
tepid raptor
really
warm plinth
What's your other one?
warm plinth
Yeah just use RAGE with every other Avatar.
tepid raptor
So both are bis?
lime mantle
Why is the DH discord a joke?
Suicide, clinical depression and delusions aren’t that funny...
warm plinth
No, they're not BiS. You don't even need Prism most of the time, but it's easily our best defensive trinket.
We basically have a group of trinkets that you would just use whatever you have the highest ilevel of. There may be some ilevel sacrifices worth making here and there but for the most part, that's how you'd choose (among those specific trinkets)
lime mantle
@tepid raptor prism is however bis for defense and unless you are doing lowish m+ or similar content you outgear, arguably BIS.
warm plinth
Rezan's Gleaming Eye, Vial of Animated Blood, RAGE, Knot of Ancient Fury, Gore-crusted Butcher's Block, the mastery on-use from Tortollan emissary (if you get a good forge), all are good
Actually I guess you can get a 395 of the tortollan one now that they've upped the emissary cap, so it wouldn't even be that hard to get a good one.
warm plinth
Yeah 45-50s
burnt fossil
so the new essence in 8.2...vision of perfection i think
lime mantle
Essences will get heavily changed, don’t think about them, it is a huge waste of time.
SPECIALLY vision of brokenness
undone sun
not necessarily
warm plinth
I think in practice it has been about 70% uptime
lime mantle
As said, 8.2 is far away and visions are already called out as a stupid thing
Also one that gives resources gives mananto mages LoL
warm plinth
Blizzard has already recognized that it needs some tweaks but they have also said they don't want to change it.
So we'll just have to see how they tweak it
lime mantle
This is blizzard
They could say they don’t eat paste while having their face splattered with it.
Specially when it concerns balance
warm plinth
I don't pretend to know what will happen. Just stating the only things we know for certain.
If they change their minds, it wouldn't be the first time, but since we don't know they will, we go with what they've actually said.
lime mantle
As said, better not to think too much about it
warm plinth
I agree. Speculation is largely a waste of time.
lime mantle
Or alternatively you can make a male human warrior on the ptr call him Arnahld and do a video of you pumping iron and spamming avatar for laughs.
Because that’s as much use as te ptr is gonna get for speculation/future meta
(Reminder we also don’t know the new addict
Affix which will be a large part of m+ meta)
undone sun
🤦
viral marsh
Heyo all. I've been back in the game for this raid tier and I'm struggling to get all the pulls and marks right for higher mythic plus. I'd really like to be cranking along but I feel like everyone is so impatient and I'm not commanding the run in the most ideal manner
Any direction or suggestions?
sick sentinel
Ok so I wrote this really really long thing some days ago that's about exactly what you ask
viral marsh
Have a link for it @sick sentinel ?
sick sentinel
Check pms
exotic spoke
you're not my supervisor Kaege!
exotic spoke
Psch I think I'm older than you are
sick sentinel
You probably are tbh
exotic spoke
😦
umbral forge
Man I saw the new Avengers movie.
And that's all I have to say on the topic
Cause I'm not some sniveling spoiling cunt.
balmy narwhal
Is it worth droppping the 415 hands for the 405 one from first boss of Crucible?
with a socket
umbral forge
I'm gonna go with no
warm plinth
Pretty sure the crucible gloves have to be a 15 ilevel increase before you would even consider equipping them.
from the IV guide
dense flame
New avengers raw?!?!?
sick sentinel
New avengers was cool af
oblique garnet
This is fine
warm plinth
lol
oblique garnet
I think i quite like this week
inner bear
umbral forge
I need a new Wep.
I have a 13 UR after Late helped me in a 14 ML on my Priest
It has my BiS wep
oblique garnet
You wanna participate in experiment with me again?
umbral forge
Yeah
vocal skiff
Good week to bump my KR score
umbral forge
Was fun
vocal skiff
Good week to maybe get the all 15 in time maybe
umbral forge
@oblique garnet I have time now if you're feeling bored and sadistic
umbral forge
Say no more, on my way
umbral forge
aw
oblique garnet
@umbral forge Tag me when you get a freehold and im all yours bby
umbral forge
Sure thing
lone steppe
what's like an idea of the average cd of avatar with am?
oblique garnet
45
rapid drift
a5
umbral forge
you ever have second most interrupts in a m+ as a Shadow Priest?
rough stump
how great is the Ancient's Bulwark azerite? I feel like I should be stacking other traits but idk
warm plinth
It's okay, but nothing fantastic.
rough stump
word
inland mesa
can I get to 2300 tonight 😄
inland mesa
they need to just quality of life put a lock rock stone at front of each instance
trim bay
Agree
I did a key with someone who didn't know you could lock rock and hp pot
They though just one or the other
cold flame
how's meticulous scheming?
warm plinth
Pretty good, but hard to say whether it's worth losing a class trait for. I know some folks have taken it over 2nd/3rd DCs or CR
oblique garnet
Its allright for damage
potent anvil
For m+, meticulous is pretty strong. Comparable dps for ST, less on aoe when you're trying to stack DC. You get the defensive benefits from having a lot of haste though, so there's that as well.
warm plinth
oblique garnet
Wait is limit actually gonna win wf?!
mortal brook
i thought they werent continuing after today
chilly brook
I hope they win something tbh
mortal brook
imagine having day jobs~
umbral forge
Imagine having a job and contributing to society
while still playing wow at a higher level than me
damn, those guys have it made.
I'm almost envious
chilly brook
Imagine being ahead of the guys who play this game for a living while also having a day job
:pog
mortal brook
no big ass red bull sponsorship for this raid tho lol
chilly brook
Bro their guild probably has enough money to take care of it
Between stream donations etc.
mortal brook
right?
chilly brook
Like I’d be surprised if anyone on the main Method roster has a real job
umbral forge
Mate if you make the figures they do streaming it is a real job
but I get your point
for sure
chilly brook
Yes it’s a job
mortal brook
but not enough $$$ for josh to get a gf
chilly brook
But they don’t have any commitments outside of WoW to live
warm plinth
I feel like you're probably overestimating how much money they're making tbh. I'm sure a few of them might make enough to not work but I doubt their entire roster is jobless.
umbral forge
Josh is at that awkward stage of life
Where he is famous in one of the worst communities for girlfriend finding.
Where he has money but no matter how much, any girl will just go "eww" when he tells them how
chilly brook
With how they raid they have to tbh
I’m sure some of their lesser known guys probably hold jobs
umbral forge
Like deepshades?
chilly brook
But method also has sponsorships out the booty
warm plinth
A sponsorship doesn't necessarily mean a lot of money is coming in. A sponsorship can just mean they provide peripherals, or chairs, or PC parts.
In exchange for them advertising
oblique garnet
Method players have jobs
Xirips is working fulltime
Uhh
There are many others who are working full time aswell
warm plinth
In EU it's a lot easier to get vacation days from what I've heard, so a lot of them save them up until a big raid drops
chilly brook
That I know
warm plinth
I didn't say they don't have money. I said that a few of the ringleaders probably make enough to not work, but it's not a situation where their entire raid team can just play WoW for a living
chilly brook
But it’s what created them 🙃
oblique garnet
Method wow players some have fulltime job
chilly brook
Like I said I’m sure some do
oblique garnet
On every major tier they pool together some % of what they get from streaming and distribute it amongs the raiders
And limits mdi team cant make it to lan event
chilly brook
Oof
oblique garnet
The only way they could potentially get to lan would be basically none of the teams who played previously wouldnt even qualify
tidal igloo
id stacking resounding protection stupid?
honest canopy
@warm plinth thats a misconception
Generaly you have 20-25 days psid vaccation each year
You still have to apply for it tho by your employee
mortal brook
RP gonna get value almost always
warm plinth
I'm sure you do. But that's still dramatically more than the average American gets.
tidal igloo
is stacking resounding protection stupid?
warm plinth
Most companies you're lucky if you get a week or two of vacation
honest canopy
You can still apply for time off no?
warm plinth
If you don't have the time left, you can't.
mortal brook
gonna depend on your sector regardless
warm plinth
There are reasons that you might be given extra time, like if a family member died or you had a medical reason but it's not paid.
oblique garnet
Also about the vacations in eu aswell afaik most countries have times when you can apply for the vacation etc
mortal brook
everywhere is a shithole for some reason or another tbh
honest canopy
We are getting paid when we are at a funeral, are home sick, home with kids etc
Sweden dream
Exactly late
warm plinth
If you're at a funeral, you get paid in most companies with bereavement time. I was referring to like if you needed time off other than the funeral
honest canopy
Normal its during The summer
warm plinth
Like I'm lucky; my company starts you with 4 weeks of PTO (paid time off) that you can use, but if you're sick, that comes out of that time as well.
oblique garnet
Sick leave is also paid and not taken away from your paycheck
oblique garnet
Yeah its the same
honest canopy
As sickleave
oblique garnet
But still paid regardless
honest canopy
Yeah
mortal brook
2.5 days per month last job
warm plinth
If you were really sick and had a medical reason to miss work, you can take "short term disability" which pays 60% of your salary
But it has to be approved through the company and backed up by a doctor
honest canopy
Or you just run your own bkzz, so what you want like sittning on The toilet talking about Coke n bears during The nights
Sounds better
oblique garnet
🤔maybe i dont want to move to US afterall
honest canopy
Finland is masternation
oblique garnet
Eh
honest canopy
Well after swe
warm plinth
I mean, it's not bad to me. It's normal here. I was only trying to show the difference in the ability of EU/NA wow players to take time off.
oblique garnet
Only good thing to come out of sweden is snus
honest canopy
Snus 😪
long raft
How good is Lurker's Insidious Gift for tanking?
umbral forge
Snus 😢
warm plinth
Dafuq is Snus?
oblique garnet
@long raft its allright but not that easy to efficiently use
honest canopy
umbral forge
@warm plinth I tried explaining it but the bot deleted my message
oblique garnet
Wait is that the damage one or the heal one
long raft
Probably just better to use say a 405 rezans eye eh
umbral forge
can I DM it to you
warm plinth
Sure
long raft
Thats the 410
honest canopy
It starts with a DM
long raft
Mastery
warm plinth
No it's the DPS one
honest canopy
Then jettom adds bnet
oblique garnet
Yeah idk about that one
honest canopy
Soon hes all over you
steel mauve
snus? as in the tobacco in little pouches instead of in chewing tobacco form?
long raft
Seems like it would be good with avatar
oblique garnet
Yes
umbral forge
what
warm plinth
It does a fairly significant amount of damage
oblique garnet
Only downside is that it does alot of damage to you
honest canopy
Fk that tell healers to heal
warm plinth
Oh I do know what snus is. I guess I just thought it was something else 😂
humble tundra
Hi ya, just started to get into tanking again. Is there a list somewhere of what trinkets are the best ? 😃
warm plinth
Also Jettom I'm gonna reply to you but don't answer; my Discord has been bugging lately. It keeps DM notifications even after I've read the message and the only way for me to clear it is to respond. -_-
honest canopy
Ree
oblique garnet
@humble tundra #268491842637660160
umbral forge
Apparently writing the British word for smokes is bad
oblique garnet
Oh yeah thats a racial slur on us
warm plinth
It's a derogatory word for gay people here.
oblique garnet
Oh good morning nim
lusty grotto
but diamond of sustenance usually gives me 100 to stat
umbral forge
good morning Nim!
oblique garnet
Its 6 am soon
warm plinth
N E R F S
lusty grotto
was there really?
lusty grotto
oh
warm plinth
Idk, I'm just being a smart-ass
lusty grotto
so tooltip is wrong?
oblique garnet
Probably
open bluff
umbral forge
ew
git god
Thunder clap should be 38% at least preferably much higher
25? sickening
oblique garnet
38%?
warm plinth
That's a random ass number 😂
open bluff
and i was sitting on paku the entire time so ez IF procs
umbral forge
sidenote: I am stupid and I do not know what median means.
warm plinth
Median = middle number
open bluff
also running two IFs rn
umbral forge
warm plinth
So if you had the numbers 1 2 3 4 5, 3 would be the median
Mean is the average, which is probably what you were asking
umbral forge
yeah
Angrypumps is LF aDraenei
I envy him
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/frostmourne/Angrypumps
Now THIS is what a Warrior looks like.
undone sun
😬
lusty grotto
jesus christ
lusty grotto
i just vomited and farted at the same time
umbral forge
You know when you get over the initial shock you can clearly tell he was going for a desideratum look. Combining the green fish with the green pants, the golden scales of his shoes with the gold plating on his hoofs, the golden helmet with his tentacle rings and lining on his chestpiece, plus the red chestpiece and gloves.
All in all a somewhat solid transmog, minus the shield, belt and shoulders.
4/10
oblique garnet
I mean hes in the discord you can ask him
umbral forge
oh no
please I am oh so afraid of confrontation I searched him up to see if he was male and female and just
well
I wasn't expecting that
I just think that maby he should get a green shield
oblique garnet
Oh im all about those green shields
warm plinth
I would have pinged him but I don't know which of the Pumps he is 😂
oblique garnet
Its the one with the cat
warm plinth
What is a desideratum?
oblique garnet
?
warm plinth
"you can clearly tell he was going for a desideratum look"
oblique garnet
Huh so thats actually a word
umbral forge
He was purposely aiming to look silly and mismatched but through human bias or something else he still has some matching going
oblique garnet
Nobody can beat my transmog tho
umbral forge
Generic Belf Slut #26583?
It's very nice. I like the bikini.
Most people go for a golden bikini on belves but you have the seaweed colored one IIRC? Very risky
oblique garnet
It matches my wailing caverns shield
umbral forge
Yup
oblique garnet
I have so few transmogs my only option is the belf slutmog
But slutmog increases damage
umbral forge
It's funny how I saw you as this Nordic viking guy, who probably liked masculine normie stuff
Then you show up in a full slutmog and now I just imagine you like a closet weeb
umbral forge
I wouldn't be surprised if you do m+ blasting Anime openings all im sayin
oblique garnet
Idk how you went from slutmog to a closet weeb instantly
umbral forge
I have not once met someone with a fem belf slutmog who isn't a weeb or a closet weeb
umbral forge
In need of psychological help
umbral forge
So closet weeb
outer dew
i don't believe in cartoons
oblique garnet
No i am not a closet weeb either
lusty grotto
14 siege
was gonna time it np
rdruid leaves cause the 2 DHs in the group can't fucking LoS so we pull entire room
mortal brook
oh man we sharin excellent mogs?
lusty grotto
which should be np!
because we had a spotter up
doesn't soothe
i get deleted
doesn't root
yay pugs!
umbral forge
@lusty grotto i wish you were EU every day.
oblique garnet
Nim was playing on eu?
lusty grotto
could have timed it np
we had 8 mins left
that's more than enough for those 2 bosses
umbral forge
I despise being a caster in m+
lusty grotto
healed myself with victory rush 😦
umbral forge
Correction
oblique garnet
Just dont take damage nim
umbral forge
I hate being a Caster in the 2nd boss room @ Underrot. Especially during volcanic as the only ranged
I could stack on melee if melee was stacked
sick sentinel
Poyo
azure dock
lusty grotto
indeed
oblique garnet
I just kill people who go into the cannon and shoot at me if they have somehow pissed me off during the dungeon
umbral forge
I have a running gag with my Healer in TD where I'll always accidentally shoot him.
He jumped into cannon and tried to return the favor.
Didn't work out for him
inland mesa
timed my first 20 😄
warm plinth
Congrats
mortal brook
nice work dude
oblique garnet
You did it lad irs all downhill from there
lusty grotto
grats 😃
sick sentinel
I referred to a different thing I wrote
undone sun
👏
warm plinth
👍
sick sentinel
Big
oblique garnet
Depends entirely on my guildmates if i can stream it tho
Its pretty monkaToS content if i do
umbral forge
Kaege can I ask you something
undone sun
you just did
sick sentinel
^^this tbh
umbral forge
If you had to race change to Male Pandaren or Male Nightborne, which would you choose
umbral forge
Ugh
mortal brook
What do you mean change
sick sentinel
So I never have to look at my character
warm plinth
Bouncy is OP
sick sentinel
If I that's not an answer, I would still go panda
warm plinth
And double food buff 💪
sick sentinel
Because nightbourne melee is super retarded
undone sun
🔔 shame
sick sentinel
Shame 🔔
oblique garnet
And hes proud
manic perch
what are you guys doing on average dps as prot, i get the feeling im low on dps, talking overall now.... average 13k last week on 17 Tol, given was not pulling huge but from the pugs opinions and comments it seems low....
oblique garnet
25-40k depending on dungeon and week
outer dew
h,,
y
y'all thing i should run 3x BFI, 2x IF, 1x Dc for jaina
or 3x BoM, 3x DC memes
warm plinth
Yikes
oblique garnet
Smg
willow scarab
I’m running diamond and idol because that’s my raid
outer dew
i have really low up time
willow scarab
I have to do it as well
outer dew
it feels like for boss
warm plinth
You'd think after maining a guardian you'd feel less squishy just by playing the spec.
outer dew
LMAO
hmm
i wonder if running 2x priest
is fucking my damage
since i don't get high burst during avatar windows
willow scarab
We have 2 priest 2 rsham
manic perch
yep running avatar on cd, but i have the buble trinket and wraps trinket also best gear i have is 3 DC unlucky so far with drops cant get BoM
umbral forge
oh boy nikkj is online
oblique garnet
@umbral forge stop bullying a broken man
umbral forge
@oblique garnet I just want him to do m+ with me
oblique garnet
What key did you deplete the underrot into
umbral forge
"I should get good melee DPS. That way we'll have interrupts"
I'm top interrupt
yes let's make people suicidal
I see kaege online on his mage
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel heyy wanna tank
sick sentinel
naaaah
oblique garnet
😦
sick sentinel
there's a reason lol
umbral forge
Kaegemage
NIGHTBORNE MAGE
mi mávros!
oblique garnet
I wanna blast keys on my ele
umbral forge
oh wait
I know
Kaege refuses to tank unless his healing buttbuddy is avail
And she's not avail, so he refuses to tank
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel i can heal
manic perch
do you demo shout then avatar or otherway around?
sick sentinel
this is not the reason
umbral forge
I avatar charge TC Revenge Demo TC
warm plinth
I do Avatar+Charge, TC, Demo, TC, etc.
umbral forge
gotta get them woons up yo
warm plinth
¯_(ツ)_/¯
manic perch
do you shield slam between TC or just wait for TC whole time?
oblique garnet
Jettom can you deplete that ml into freehold so i can come online
umbral forge
@oblique garnet I don't want to do a bloody Motherlode it's a shit key m8
I'll try
umbral forge
and listed
manic perch
have a temple 16 i need to do, and guildies want a spot.... dunno who's owrse guildies or pugs lol
umbral forge
guildies are worse
I love my guildies.
I went to a guild meetup to tell them I'm leaving the guild.
manic perch
i had a shammy in our guild yesterday cry and rage cause i dont wanna take him on the 16 with his 402ilvl and 400 io score.....
oblique garnet
My guildies are pretty reliable
brittle owl
because people don't watch them as closely nowadays
so they're free to plot in secret
oblique garnet
sweats in german
spice ferry
Some guilds are shit some are great. Old guild was lucky to time a 14, new guilds running 17/18/19s all through the week
sand kettle
What's better? 415 alch stone or 415 diamond? other trink is 420 rezan's
sick sentinel
I would use stone lol
sick sentinel
okay I am done with my thing
umbral forge
hey kaege
sick sentinel
hey jet
umbral forge
why am I top interrupt on my shadow priest
umbral forge
yes
had a flaming paladin too but like
He was flaming me
but he was right
so it was like "Oh ok"
sick sentinel
sounds about right
sick sentinel
on my mage tho
oblique garnet
Oi bois
umbral forge
Oi late
umbral forge
Yes
oblique garnet
Ele?!
sick sentinel
YES
sick sentinel
I haven't watched the 2 episodes that came out yet lol
heard first one was ResidentSleeper
sick sentinel
I will wait until the day before the third comes out then watch both and then then 3rd on insta
oblique garnet
When are we going
umbral forge
now
oblique garnet
Right now now?
umbral forge
@oblique garnet we go in a minute
sand condor
We hoppin onto disc?
oblique garnet
fuck no im watching game of thrones while we doing the keys
umbral forge
sure if you don't mind listening to me eating cheese
sick sentinel
lol
how much sound does eating cheese make
imagine if this server had a voice channel
would be cool, right?
oblique garnet
aight kage you invite us
stone cloud
WTF why do all the best az pieces come from wq 
warm plinth
Wait, didn't this server used to have voice channels?
warm plinth
Glad I'm not going crazy. I could have sworn I remembered accidentally going into them a few times 😂
oblique garnet
They got removed during aprils fools
dark lark
for 18+ ML this week, has anybody tried never surrender over bolster?
*higher than 18+
zinc vessel
Put your hearthstone next to motherlode (if ur horde, idk about ally) then hearthstone to swap talent when you have killed 2nd boss
Thats what i do atleast :p
@dark lark
mortal brook
bUT gLiCkz dOEs iT
dark lark
dont do what, never surrender or that hearthstone trick lol
ember arrow
dark lark
3rd and 4th bosses on tyrannical week truck though
and bolster doesnt do anything there
warm plinth
I found the actual way you could meme leech (even though it seems to be a broken buff)
honest frigate
Its worth imo to take never surrender for 3rd and 4th boss
But only 21+
It’s not necessary below that
If you have a Druid, the time you take to hearth will be the time they take to sneak by to the pack before 3rd boss anyway so you can pull to the side and they can skip over without needing a bres
oblique garnet
@dark lark bolster heals you more consistently
umbral forge
@oblique garnet so me and vic
Who was worst?
I'd like to point out when vic was tanking we had competent DPS
umbral forge
no that was a comment aimed at kaege's friend
sand condor
ohboy
umbral forge
I've never done Underrot on tyrannical on my warrior before
oblique garnet
I cut vic some slack since he just woke up
But comparing your tanking to @sick sentinel based on the movements i always had an idea what kage would pull but with both you and vic i had absolutely no idea what you were gonna pull next
umbral forge
hah
You mean in pre-emptive positioning I suppose?
Getting ready to go and not having random pauses to look around at the scenery
oblique garnet
Yes
oblique garnet
^
umbral forge
Honestly I'm just happy I didn't die anywhere except second boss.
Cause I know I have no fucking clue what to do there.
warm plinth
Too bad you can't have the greatest tank of all time in your ele sham's groups Late
Since I'm on NA 😏
warm plinth
What class even are you anymore
umbral forge
hpala
oblique garnet
@umbral forge @sand condor i will test you out again sometime i hope you bois improve alot
umbral forge
Sure. I need to learn the bosses from a Tank perspective. Spriest first though.
distant crystal
holy hell nerf went crazy today
oblique garnet
Did he int again?
distant crystal
no he got 3786 io lol
rank #1 world on most dungeons, #2 on the others
except FH and TD lol
oblique garnet
Oh look at that he finally gave up the bloodsport and went full offensive like every other warrior
distant crystal
and looks like he got a couple of his #1's without JB rip
sick sentinel
Oh he actually went the good build ?
distant crystal
he's still go siphoning though 👌
oblique garnet
And this is why we cant have nice things
distant crystal
3x BoM 2x DC 1x UC
crisp pecan
meh meh, not sure bout this
distant crystal
i swear like 90% of pieces i've gotten this tier
have bom
#blessed
i think i scrapped my bom/dc shoulders at some point, might wanna restore those next time it's up
but bom/tradewinds is prob better anyway with DC on the other two
damn i was thinking about going mogless for about 2 seconds
nope
sand condor
old zephyr
shame
sick sentinel
@umbral forge mailed this to him
old zephyr
shame on @umbral forge then
unborn island
For parse cheesing worth it to swap to dev and swap out a BoM/IF piece for BFI/RF?
Would leave me at 2Bom,2DC, BFI,RF
old zephyr
for ST parse cheese : devastator, dump all rage to revenge, and 3BFI 3RF
candid ledge
Which one is the best? Already got one EL but could change it to shimmering haven
candid ledge
Go for double EL would be neat?
ebon hound
That's what I would recommend
livid totem
I'm still new in this channel, just surprised to see BFI having any significant difference for ST. Is it really more powerful than, say, Blighborne Infusion ?
Assuming BFI stands for Brace for Impact ? (remember, I'm new, I'm not used to all the acronyms of prot's trait yet >_<)
lime mantle
You can’t get 4 rings with blightborne can you?
And if@you can it’s via ilvl 370-400 WQ stuff
Which means a loss of 45-15ilvld (!)
livid totem
Oh ok, I see.
lime mantle
Also bfi is good st because clap without avatar deals less than slam which then is your highest damage (outside of avatar). Bfi makes you slam high+gives more block.
If I am wrong someone will correct me
ionic fern
Yes, BfI is really good for ST. YOu can sim yourself to see what pulls up ahead for yourself DPS wise regarding gear/traits.
livid totem
I stopped using SimC sadly. I'm an Altoholic, I don't have time to check every good traits for every spec for every class. I'm just looking for best Ilvl, and then traits according to wowhead ^^
Actually, I wanted to join this channel to have your opinion about the general gameplay of prot warrior compared to all the tanks you've played : I'm playing it kind of the same way since Legion.
And (that's my opinion) it feels like a big @#$%ing mess
I feel like there are too much spells that gets in the way of others, like for instance Revenge vs Ignore Pain vs Shield Block. I never get enough rage to spend all of them.
silk mortar
That is kind of the point. Most classes nowadays have the "do this or do that". Which is the case with prot aswell. Gotta prio what you want to do. Damage or Mitigation.
livid totem
@dim glade I don't feel this way for the others tanks. Even the Druid have time to put ironfur first and then damage (even though IronFur can stack).
oblique garnet
@candid ledge yes it will
dim glade
livid totem
^^
I mean, look for dk for example : They spend their RP for mostly Death Strike. Rest is just spam.
DH ? they have demon spikes which are off GCD afaik and can use whenever you want.
Only thing is maybe fiery brand (?) which takes a GCD in your attacks buttons.
Paladin ? a big mess too, but you can still use the defensives GCD for attack aswell (thinking about shield of the Righteous for example)
Monk ? Their defensives spells doesn't take any GCD aswell (thinking about brews)
That's why prot war is still confusing me even after playing it before all that FOTM Thunderclap change.
odd ledge
sotr is off gcd, lotp/hotp is on
fiery brand does some damage (which is probably the retarded reason it's on gcd)
livid totem
Hammer of the Righteous is on GCD now ?
Didn't know that
Wait, not sure what you meant by lotp / hotp
livid totem
Oh right, well, let's say, you can use them "whenever" you can because there is always a time where you won't use any GCD at all as a paladin
I mean, it feels more fluid compared to the war tank
lucid bough
not really
by far
u have 2 big buttons to press off gcd
prot pala has LOP - reactive ability - on gcd
even DVshield, another reactive, is on gcd
livid totem
yeah I mean whenever you "want" not you can
lucid bough
prot pala is "fine"
livid totem
I mean, you won't feel like a bad player for not using it asap since LoP is dependant of the life you lost right ?
lucid bough
im not a fan of those on gcd and not having more charges on lop like in legion
oblique garnet
Your opener is wrong if you go into a pull without getting your mitigation up as a warrior
lucid bough
and im talking in m+ department mostly, prot pala is a beast in raid
livid totem
Never said the opposite, just wanted to know what is your usual rotation when you play a war tank
I feel ashamed that prot war is the only class where I'm using a macro for multiple spells
like this one for example : Macro for retards
/cast shield slam
/cast shield block
/cast spell reflection
/use [combat] 13
/use [combat] 14
I had much more spells in this macro before 😳
jovial forge
How many times can i stack bastion of might ?
lucid bough
man, i hate those kinda of macros xD
it why i loved early legion arms, off gcd buttons
they need to be pressed
weary thorn
that macro look very heavy handed. Without any sort of [mod:key] you're just relying on what...cool downs or resources to determine what you use?
lucid bough
pretty sure is bad gameplay pressing those xD
weary thorn
letting the game decide between your slam and your SB or SR is a recipe for disaster
or letting others know that you are a rerolled fotm warrior, even though you say you aren't
livid totem
Oh i'm pretty sure too, I just need to better show the UI interface so that I can perfectly see I have at least a mitigation up
weary thorn
then please for the love of god get rid of that macro or add in modifiers
livid totem
It's just that, for the time being, it doesn't feel too much behind when you're using SR because it has a short CD
But regarding SB I really don't know when to use them, and it gets kind of confusing because you can't use them indefinitely much like for example Boneshield
weary thorn
SB is your primary mitigation
you should be managing your resources so that you can have as much uptime as possible on it
unless you are in the very specific situation of only taking magic damage, in which case you'd prio IP first
other than that its SB>IP>damage in terms of survival
often times tho, with gear and practice you can normally just use SB with some supplementary IP and then focus on doing damage
you use Last stand (bolstered) to fill in the gaps when your SB charges are on cd
avatar/demo together, then demo on cd until ava is back up
the bigger the pulls, the more likely you can avatar nearly every pull
lime mantle
@livid totem I think I have a brain bleed seeing that macro.
Why.
livid totem
@weary thorn does that mean you almost never use IP for "easy" m+ ?
So that you can focus on using only damage spells with your rage ?
@lime mantle because I tried to copy sco's UI 😂
weary thorn
in easy m+ I only use IP if I have a resource surplus, or if I'm pulling big and want to make the healer's life easier
but it is a part of your mitigation, and should not be shelved just because it isn't top priority
livid totem
Alright.
Still feels like a little "nude" when I can't use SB like I can use boneshield
weary thorn
it may feel that way due to your gear
what is your key range that you run? What is the ilvl of your shield and your overall gear score? How much unbuffed haste do you have?
all of these things play a part, although most of it is down to the player
prot is in such a good place that if you feel less tanky than other tanks it is likely due to a misplay on your part with the exception of a very few niche areas
lime mantle
@livid totem why are you straight up copying an UI without learning/customizing it? that is so stupid I feel my head would hurt less if I just translated this 20-30 year old cryptographic C code to mumps.
livid totem
lol aren't you exagerating ? :p Obviously I'm not straight up copying it, afterall, the war tank was like my 2nd to last tank I played when legion came out
I just liked the way IP was shown so that I could always have an uptime
I guess IP was OP back in the Legion's day that I'm still thinking I should prioritize it
signal plover
IP wasn't priority in Legion, it was just spammy cuz of our rage gen
lime mantle
It wasn’t op outside of joke tier content
signal plover
Doesn't mean you cant play well with a few adjustments
stoic pilot
My issue is in m+ is not spamming IP I get resource capped in a lot of situations
livid totem
why is it bad to have SB macroed though ?
lime mantle
No excuse to be bad.
I use Kakishan or something like that for my WA plus some of sco’s for CDs and some modifications, i should also remove all of my bars and make WA for charge and leap
Why the fuck you want to have it macro’d?
stoic pilot
Cuz effective uptime > uptime
If you have it up while you’re not tanking and then you get boss and have no shield block? Whelp gg
weary thorn
I run with a ton of macros, and there is nothing wrong with macros....but you need to have them with modifiers so that YOU are selecting when they are used
primal sable
Only macro you need is your trinket to avatar
weary thorn
not just listed in order and allowing the game to decide what you use based on what is on cooldown or unavailable due to resource requirement
you dont need any macro
livid totem
So you'd rather keep charges of SB and use any other sort of defensive mitigation before the boss @stoic pilot ?
weary thorn
I prefer to use them instead of having my 6 most used attacks on 6 different keys, when 3 will suffice with modifiers
stoic pilot
@livid totem ideally you wouldn’t use mitigation before tanking boss outside of IP
lime mantle
@livid totem how does popping SB and SR at the same time helpnme when there is no reflect damage or magic damage?
weary thorn
lmao
stoic pilot
If you’re talking about m+
weary thorn
that shit is the dumbest advice
stoic pilot
My advice is for raid
for survivability you wouldn’t use mitigation if you’re not tanking boss
livid totem
Oh. Of course.
weary thorn
there is nothing wrong with using mitigation outside of a boss, its a fucking warrior
with tiny cool downs
livid totem
well, for raid, your SB will be up by the time you're ready to charge :p
weary thorn
that is blatantly bad advice
stoic pilot
How so?
weary thorn
because you advocate not using a toolkit outside of bosses
when there is no downside to using it
literally none
stoic pilot
So you’re saying using your shield blocks before you actively tank the boss
Is proper usage
weary thorn
if you're on trash, sure why make it hard for your healers
stoic pilot
Lol im obviously talking about during a raid fight
weary thorn
if you mean just standing there in a raid doing literally nothing, then yes dont use mitigation because there is nothing hitting you
stoic pilot
Not trash
signal plover
🤔
stoic pilot
I think you’re over assuming a bit
signal plover
He's obviously not talking about trash lol