Well RIP them
#protection
warm plinth
lusty grotto
no rips
honest canopy
Ok friends i have smt to ask here
lusty grotto
nothing at all will happen okay
honest canopy
I like sylvanas and allways wanted to fk everyone since i hate ppl
lusty grotto
heresy
exotic spoke
Anyway - finishing up work. Peace out!
But also
PURGE THE HERETICS!
honest canopy
Today i finally played some Horde shit and... I could just kill The dsrk ranger and get a hit from suarfang
exotic spoke
Whoa... whoa. ... Nim - you took it too far
lusty grotto
hmm
honest canopy
Then me and baine did some thing at The ship got jaina bro out bla bla
I tought i could at some point be on team sylvanas
But never had an option 😪
lusty grotto
well... uhhh
you could uhhh... do that choice thing in darkshore
and also snitch on saurfang
or something
i dont know, cause im team saurfang so 🤷
honest canopy
Thats The thing. I never got that option
drowsy salmon
hi guys, just to understand i got the point. Whiting this two back is preferred the lower level cause of Haste?
sick sentinel
you NEVER drop ilvl for stats
warm plinth
No. The higher ilevel is preferred.
sick sentinel
read the guide
lusty grotto
that's odd nikk
drowsy salmon
lol i don't get the point my bad
lusty grotto
you should have had the options
honest canopy
Never had. After i tracked down saurfang
warm plinth
If you look at the stat priority section of the guide, it does list secondaries in a priority. But if you read the paragraph below that list, it mentions that we don't drop ilevel for stats.
honest canopy
I could only talk to him and well smash The crew
warm plinth
So the stat priority is only relevant for determining which gems you use (haste) and which item to pick when you have two items with the same ilevel but different stats.
honest canopy
Maybe i should write a ticket
stark fox
Rezan's or Gore Crusted for M+? Using 1 of them and the Opul trinket.
warm plinth
Same ilevel?
warm plinth
Honestly I'd probably use Rezan+Gore 😂 Unless you really feel like you need prism
stark fox
only 401 ilvl
and going to be doing 16+ tonight
lol
figured the extra survivability would be nice
warm plinth
If you want to use Prism, I'd use Rezan with it.
sick sentinel
rezan+gore
legit
you underestimate how much surv does goreblock give you @stark fox
undone sun
🎉
spring urchin
Tradewinds or Callous Reprisal on Overseer's riot helmet?
honest canopy
CR
blazing prism
Anyone experienced the azerite bug of all or some traits just not working after a DC? Just realized last time I did jaina it was with 0 working traits
very strange
undone sun
do you have a cancel aura macro?
Cancel aura macros were found to disable the procs of certain azerites
umbral forge
@sick sentinel when are we doing the 5 prot warr stack?
sick sentinel
during raging volc probs
umbral forge
Neat
haughty briar
yo guys! A bit of knowledge here pls. Im on bloackade tanking laminaria whole fight.. so when I go to the add literally the other corner of the platform I got shred out for "Reaching Attack" any help? :c
undone sun
reaching attack This ability is used when no targets are in melee range.
so positioning was incorrect
haughty briar
But I mean I have the boss agrro
sand egret
damnit, was just about to link that
haughty briar
even when I go for the dispell
sand egret
you have to be in range
haughty briar
so I just wait for the adds to come closer?
instead of moving all the way to the start of the plat?
sand egret
stationary bosses have abilities that prevent cheesing by forcing you to stay in range via insanely broken abilities that get cast when you're not within it
undone sun
if an enemy is fixated in a specific spot, they cannot move closer to you if you back up. meaning they will cast an enrage type ability
sand egret
you got this 😃
haughty briar
Ye I know why this happen I way too far from boss
Im*
but this is something I gotta do according RL
undone sun
i'm not really up to date with boss strats but im sure there's something going on that isn't being looked into
sand egret
(something is prob fundamentally wrong if you're triggering that)
haughty briar
basically the other tank is afk soaking the pods
Im tanking whole time and moving to get dispelled into adds
Ill talk with RL then.. idk I though I was doing something wrong
sand egret
generally speaking, your strat against these types of bosses should never include moments when no tank is in front of it
you may need to reconsider your strategy/timing
to put it another way, you're not expected to survive that ability
haughty briar
hmmm.. they already killed the boss like a month ago while doing jaina I m the new tank reclearing after they killed jaina
oke Ill look into it, thx guys!
sand egret
yeah idk, the specifics so this is as far as I can help ya
but that ability you're dying too is do to that situation
haughty briar
np! I aprecciate the time thx anyways!
oblique garnet
if you are gonna do that you need to call for a taunt on the boss
so the reaching attack doesn target you
but if youre doing the strat like that its not good
haughty briar
@oblique garnet yeah I guess the other tank will have to taunt for like 5 secs which is what I take to come back from the add
haughty briar
coz Im double dasshing insto people to come back asap
oblique garnet
the other tank is soaking pools so no
haughty briar
the other tank is afk soaking all the pods
oblique garnet
he doesnt have aggro
sand egret
ah yeah, I'll shut up now haha. I honestly don't know shit about that fight so 🤐
oblique garnet
you should have enough
damage for the add even when it reaches the bosses max melee range
haughty briar
ye Im totally waiting for them come closer
so I can leao then dashing to some1 to come back
leap*
sick sentinel
If ur running away from the boss for whatever ur co-tank should taunt if he's closer to it to not trigger the range attack
Assuming hes not doing something else that puts him far away from the boss
honest canopy
Sittning on toilet 1 hour later doing Coke reading prot warrior chat
Life is at Times just so good
sick sentinel
Just sat down myself to take a shit so I get it
sick sentinel
Join us nim
honest canopy
I bet they are jelly at #Fury
sick sentinel
In the toliet
lusty grotto
Did someone just say mustache snow
honest canopy
Yes
lusty grotto
Uhhh I'm kinda worried you have a kid now, gonna be honest
honest canopy
White snow, i know, theres a place where i just have to go. But you know, you can blame me but your snow wont warm you in december
lusty grotto
Jesus christ I'm going to hell lol
lusty grotto
Coke shits, I gotta say I haven't tried that one
sick sentinel
@honest canopy tell me what it is and you will never be like this. a problem that we have in common
lusty grotto
I've done shower beer though
honest canopy
Just sittning with pants down reading war chat having a coke
honest canopy
#babalife
sick sentinel
you're good
If ur not taking a shit u don't deserve to be on the toilet
I am watching asmon commentate limit
honest canopy
That would be a decent circusmove tho
sick sentinel
with rich
sick sentinel
Why?
honest canopy
Asmond zzzzzzz
stark fox
for the engineering helmet what traits should I take?
sick sentinel
gismo
lusty grotto
Mongo gold
sick sentinel
Wait there's a race for WF for that raid?
Also Jesus Christ how many fucking spriest do they have
lusty grotto
All of them
honest canopy
They had 8 shadow 2 discs before today
lusty grotto
Literally all of them, no joke
honest canopy
Idk how many now
sick sentinel
Why isn't boomy more better for bosses then spriest?
no nim
they have some spriests benched
@lusty grotto https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336842589892247555/570335778694234116/unknown.png
honest canopy
They got The rogue in for The interupts
exotic spoke
Yeah I saw that . It’s fucked
honest canopy
He/she was t there earlier
rare bear
its is good .....trinket Mchimba 410 and lingering spore 415 ----- already have diamond , rezan or jes howler 400
sick sentinel
sporepods is absolute garbage
exotic spoke
^^
sick sentinel
like set it on fire and throw it out of the window levels of garbage
honest canopy
💞 TRINKET QUESTIONS
rare bear
ROFL
sick sentinel
just go diamond+rezan imo
honest canopy
Use rezan and diamond
exotic spoke
I’ve been fucking around with the new trinket from CoS
honest canopy
Donedeal glhf
honest canopy
Luve jese
sick sentinel
@exotic spoke which one 👀
honest canopy
The sound effect is gucci
ocean acorn
i prefer my 410 socketed rezans with leech
honest canopy
@ocean acorn get on my 420 with sockret and speed
ocean acorn
u have to embrace the leech meme tho
sick sentinel
nah dude
honest canopy
No
sick sentinel
gotta go fast
ocean acorn
meme over every stat
exotic spoke
I prefer to damage my group / raid members and heal - slowly sucking their soul from them
sick sentinel
@exotic spoke can you kill your friends with it
honest canopy
I prefer cocaine and cheap girls
ocean acorn
jokes on i do that by aiming mechanics on them
honest canopy
Yet i am stuxn with 2 kids and a needy wife
exotic spoke
Yes you can kaege. I had one in m+ last week rofl
exotic spoke
They fucked up and we were going to chest it anyway. So I saw them dip low and popped it
honest canopy
Xd
exotic spoke
They have to be at like 5k go
sick sentinel
nice
umbral forge
pop it at the end of a 7 stack bursting to heal up to full
honest canopy
I need this
umbral forge
or halfway through
honest canopy
So badly
umbral forge
after a quaking
honest canopy
Is it for prot specc or dps
sick sentinel
poor guy
honest canopy
Dps then
exotic spoke
It’ll be rare but it can happen. So did ours. He didn’t want it. Other people rolled off spec and I said I’ll use it for tanking so it defaulted to me
honest canopy
Legit
sick sentinel
JET ARE YOU DAEMONHUNT? lol
umbral forge
no my hunter's name is Jettom
honest canopy
LUL
exotic spoke
Nikkj I think it’s on dps and tank loot tables
honest canopy
Aha
umbral forge
@sick sentinel my characters are named
Jettom
Nettom
Dettom
Wettom
honest canopy
N33d
umbral forge
I am not good at names
sick sentinel
if you go on the last boss with prot loot spec
you can ONLY get the trinket
nothing else drops
exotic spoke
We aren’t going back anytime soon. Had rastakhan at 6% last week. Sooo gonna try to get that fucked
honest canopy
Nikkj, nniikkjj, naikson nikkson nnikkj nikkjj nikkstas naikx nikkz nikkwa nikkpa ninnpr nikkhn
Inovative shit
umbral forge
my priest is named Jakazure
From Nonon Jakazure; Kill La Kill.
sick sentinel
LOL
honest canopy
Il name my hamster jettom
sick sentinel
and yeet it out the window?
honest canopy
More like feet him much food
umbral forge
I named my Shaman Håkmud.
Like Hakmud, the Draenei on the Travelers Tundra Mammoth.
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel it’s 1 hour til raid time for me and the weekly titanforge opulence farming. Though one of our tanks doesn’t have it. We’ve seen 2 trinket drops in like 6 or 7 kills with dps going tank spec for that fight the past 3-4 kills
Also weekly shield warforge farming where I stack the raid with shield users for first boss
honest canopy
We need 2 hours kill Opulence.
sick sentinel
ahhhh... reclears...
honest canopy
Feelsbadman
oblique garnet
nikkj which tank did leave your guild?
sick sentinel
how I miss them
honest canopy
Kille conclave and rasta in 15 pulls total
Cant kill Opulence in sub 2 hours
@oblique garnet Damage
oblique garnet
oof so the actually good dk
sick sentinel
lmao
honest canopy
Yeah
exotic spoke
RIP
honest canopy
But he was on monk
Allways liked him
He came in esrly ToS
Its me and Bigdk now
exotic spoke
ige been playing with the same group / guild for damn near most of my time in wow
umbral forge
I think J.C Staff don't have the rights to show flashbacks to season 1, as it was made by MadHouse.
So they can't drag One Punch Man out with flashbacks, I like that.
sick sentinel
I am slowly starting to thing that this is not a joke
honest canopy
Go bear or die trying
exotic spoke
No but it is a hoke
umbral forge
Cocaine is legal in Sweden, it's fine.
honest canopy
👆☝️
umbral forge
Nightborne can't be Druid so there's 0 chance I'll ever play one.
sick sentinel
belfs are also addicted
honest canopy
Livin The RP dream of a heroin junkie
New meta
Imagine going from 2006 cybering in arathi highlands
To 2019 digital addiction in Boralus slum
Quite a Journey, could be a decent pllt for The next wow movie
honest canopy
Stop lies. You did run after thoose nelf females dancing trading 5 silver for them to undress
Fml alarm 3 hours. Sleeping time, laters.
simple stump
Hi guys, any way to look at logs and see if revenge was used without proc ?
stark fox
Haste/Mastery Socketed Ring, Haste/Crit Socketed Ring, or Haste/Versa Avoidance Ring?
😐
which 2?
digital frigate
Does anyone have the WoW recruitment discord?
umbral forge
@simple stump kind of
simple stump
Do i have to hunt for revenge uses and look if they overlap with free revenge buff ?
oblique garnet
why would you care about something like that
simple stump
I have a warrior tank in my guild, im the rL were 6/9
constant grey parses
and feels squisher
umbral forge
erhm
simple stump
i comapred logs and defensive uptimes
umbral forge
there's something wrong going on there that really isn't "Misusing" revenge
simple stump
like shieldblock ~25-30%
umbral forge
not that you can misuse revenge
oblique garnet
yeah thats just overall bad play
umbral forge
can you give us the logs
umbral forge
ooof
simple stump
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X8B6zvtVDAC9Mw3R and this was a partial from thursday
simple stump
Could you go more in depth ?
umbral forge
finding a log to compare it to so you can see
simple stump
Thank you
oblique garnet
well he does like 8k less damage than i do
simple stump
Im a tank player myself but brm/ guardian
open bluff
oblique garnet
at pretty much same ilvl
simple stump
Yeah id like to give one more shot to the person next week on reclear, do you guys think its just basic rotation thats fucked ?
umbral forge
no no
oblique garnet
Im not a toxic guy but having that guy tank for your guild in mythic is basically like making a toddler drive a bus
umbral forge
He has no clue how to play Prot Warrior.
simple stump
Or just as a player F
umbral forge
Genuinely does not know what he is doing.
simple stump
well fuck
open bluff
until he can prove that he knows what he's doing
you don't want him tanking mythic
at all
simple stump
its not a big issue, he was my replacement
umbral forge
@simple stump
I checked my personal logs.
On Conclave I have 18% uptime on Last Stand.
Meaning that I have Last Stand active for just about as long in a fight as he has his bread & butter defensive, Shield Block.
open bluff
make him git gud and show you on a heroic clear
open bluff
you can get by with being shit in norm/hc
umbral forge
wow I cry now
open bluff
but not mythic; make him earn his keep by reading the guides and then show you what he's learned in a hc clear
umbral forge
damn I did really bad that fight
simple stump
I see, well thanks for the input it was as i thought, just wanted some reassurement
thanks for being civilized lads
umbral forge
@simple stump
What classes do you play? I want to explain this to you in a way you can understand
umbral forge
If he was playing Bdk he would keep his bone stacks at 2-3
oblique garnet
jettom i was kidding tho
open bluff
if he was brm he'd be forgetting about isb (though granted that's not exactly dangerous as logs have unfortunately proven)
umbral forge
I could have squeezed a 4th in and my block % was only 65 so i did kind of bad
simple stump
yeah that sounds straight up clueless
umbral forge
@simple stump the issue here isn't that he chokes. He would mess up on a dummy, he does not have a fundamental idea about his class.
simple stump
Yeah i got the picture 😄
Thanks again, this has been the nicest tank discord ive visited so far
umbral forge
I'm insecure so I hang out in the Warrior discord.
It's a weird situation
You'd think the Monks who seek zen would be the most welcoming
analog swift
Nope. Got into it with babs once about something and he called me “mentally challenged” when asked if that violated the rules of insulting another person he said it was stating a fact not insulting someone
shut summit
👴
sand egret
O_O
umbral forge
I feel like Monk and Warriors appeal to different people.
Warrior is simple and straight forward.
Monk is just a massive math enigma when you get into it.
sand egret
I don't really play the spec as much as I play the role, tbh
digital frigate
Everyone here is always helpful.
So it is a nice difference.
Except for Willow. Willow, go to bed.
umbral forge
I like everyone here except one but the block function exists 🤷
umbral forge
I like you, Bladesong
digital frigate
Yeah, down with Bladesong.
sand egret
that makes one of us
digital frigate
He's trying to get into your pants.
sand egret
get in line behind Tofu
sand egret
time to finally hit the Cache of Disappointment
digital frigate
If you expect nothing you can never be disappointed.
sand egret
Mom?
exotic stump
Ho
digital frigate
Tips is toxic, please remove his rights to bear a sword.
exotic stump
Bears have a different discord
digital frigate
Smooth.
exotic stump
My raid lead said we don't have any prot warriors, so I surprised him with a 120 prot warrior. Now just to fix the 260 ilvl problem.
sand egret
after today, that should be really easy
exotic stump
Almost
open bluff
just get carried through mythic champs, get 425 shield, profit
exotic stump
The caches SCALE up to 400, not start at 400
sand egret
yeah but its' really easy to ride that up
since it continues to scale
just don't turn it in until you hit a breakpoint, ratchet up that shit
and keep it moving
my DH has like 10 hours post-120 and he's 386 already
keen pivot
Hey all, I got a 410 Servant Splitter today, no status but a damage proc. Compared to my 400 Sinister Glad with crit/haste. I am thinking the 400 is still better?
umbral forge
weapon is ilvl king
exotic stump
My guild ran me through some dungeons today and have me all their gear including the leather, so my unequipped ilvl is 330 lol
umbral forge
even if the splitter was 405 it's better
sand egret
that weapon damage is where the value is at
nice, that's the ticket Tips!
i got lucky since I dinged in a timewalking week though
so I rode that to 365 then went right into mythic farming
keen pivot
Thanks
exotic stump
I'm new to tanking so I am afraid of being squshy in heroic at my equipped ilvl
sand egret
try cutting your teeth in a normal or something, get the feel. Tbh the jump from normal to heroic is pretty small scaling wise
inland mica
is there a cap on the haste you wanna have as prot? i just redid my stat weights today and haste came out as my lowest
sand egret
your ability usage is what carries you through that low content tbh
no cap
the more the merrier
but dont sacrifice for ilvl is the general rule
more info in the guide located in #268491842637660160
exotic stump
Do you say a shield drops is m champion? Well I know what I'm beging thing guild to let me bring tonight. My mm Hunter already has all the gear from champion.
orchid token
yeah and its the crit haste one which is the better of the two
exotic stump
I just looked, that would be so good. Right now we one shot champions and are progressing on grong, so hopefully they let me
umbral forge
What guild
open bluff
welp, bis helm and champs chest today following 420 shield on warrior last week
shame i can't get that luck with a weapon 
ocean acorn
at what point should i be not going for haste
is there a time where i should switch to crit gems?
umbral forge
What
undone sun
there's no break point or cap for haste
umbral forge
Haste good means more SB more block more damage more rage
oblique garnet
crit is for damage
ocean acorn
ok trinkets Gore crusted or RAGE
oblique garnet
and m+
ocean acorn
gore is socketed 400 and rage is 420
exotic stump
Survivor on dalaran
mystic whale
is winds of war bad ?
sick sentinel
For us yes
orchid token
i wonder if you can walk into an ocean essence with spell reflect up
mystic whale
having a hard time to choose btween wind of war, overwhelming power or blood siphon
sick sentinel
They learned that lesson with ghuun
mystic whale
blood siphon is my guess if winds sucks
warm plinth
Overwhelming Power
sick sentinel
^
hushed plover
what happened to the google doc in the pins?
warm plinth
The reflectable/blockable spreadsheet is in #268491842637660160
If that's the one you mean
hushed plover
the one i saw before was like best traits and stats n stuff
clever shale
warm plinth
Yeah all of the analysis spreadsheets are in the guides channel
hushed plover
okay thank you
clever shale
you guys think the 415 with socket is worth over the haste/verse ring?
warm plinth
@ocean acorn What is in the other trinket slot if you're choosing between those?
hushed plover
so with these baseline stats is that what i should shoot for?
warm plinth
I don't understand your question. Is what what you should shoot for?
hushed plover
on the spreadsheet is shows baseline stats at certain %.
Is that what i should shoot for for mine
warm plinth
Those are probably just Marok's stats that he put in when he made the spreadsheet
hushed plover
ah ok
ocean acorn
410 socketed rezans with leech
sick sentinel
Die
warm plinth
Oh. Use RAGE
ocean acorn
K
warm plinth
Fahq, just equip whatever is your highest ilevel and you'll be fine. If you have two pieces of similar ilevel, choose the one with haste. If both have haste, I'd probably take the one with crit as the second stat for M+, or vers for raiding. But stat priority only matters when items are equal item level. You can make an exception for sockets on rings or low stat budget armor pieces (wrist/cloak) but that's it.
hushed plover
ight thanks man
umbral forge
@hushed plover you can =/= you should.
Go with whatever options gives you the most overall stats. While you can make exceptions, you shouldn't. Unless it's like 5 ilvl on a ring.
sick sentinel
Besides the UF nerf - anyone know of more nerfs?
quiet crane
At this stage no
quiet crane
Meaning we’re still super strong just a nerf to our avatar windows which is rightful so imo
sick sentinel
Same - Im just worried they nerf mitigation - I do not care about dmg
umbral forge
@sick sentinel Azshara raid seems to have a lot of magic damage. That's a nerf to prot warriors. Dazar has a lot of physical damage so we thrive
quiet crane
Time for the other shield tank I spose :/
dense flame
for those of you with the new tank trinket. Have you found it pretty nice in m+?
empty inlet
finally got opluence trinket :^)
digital frigate
Congrats : )
ornate wagon
woohoo got a 415 wep from raid tonight
oblique garnet
@dense flame its eh
dense flame
would you still go prism/gore or whatever other combo
orchid token
I'm sticking with RAGE/vial until something happens to make me change it
digital frigate
Do mythic cross server lock-outs work the same way?
As they did before they became cross server.
Can I join a pug do mythic champs and go somewhere else to get the rest of my clears?
undone sun
they work the same way as they did prior
you're locked to that instance ID
first kill locks you, if you zone in a lockout with an already dead boss you have 30 seconds to accept it as your lockout
digital frigate
OK ty
undone sun
yes
drowsy relic
lol
sick sentinel
Its not really 8.2 anymore
It's the patch that nerfed prot warriors into being garbage
outer dew
is shield block/last stand/shield wall an aura?
undone sun
in what context
undone sun
actually that doesn't matter, technically auras are They are AoE spells, based on the position of the caster, otherwise known as point blank area of effect (PBAoE) spells. They are instant cast, and have no cooldown. They have an infinite duration, as long as the affected target is within range of the caster, and the caster is alive. They are not dispellable.
outer dew
/cancelaura shield block
/cancelaura last stand
/cancelaura shield wall
/sit
so this will merc me
then?
undone sun
oh, as in macro's yes that'll work
oblique garnet
@dense flame yes 100% would go any other combo
stoic pilot
orchid token
@outer dew turning your back is more important than the cancel aura
You can still rng block
exotic spoke
Fuck yeah! Rasta down
charred patio
what are ideal stat weights from prot ?? a friend told me certain %s but i don't remember :/
warm plinth
If you head over to the #268491842637660160, there's a link to the icy-veins guide. The stat priority page should have all the information you could want about which stats go for (make sure you read the paragraph under the priority list).
Well, multiple paragraphs :p
next plaza
Is the idol of indescrminant consumption at 395 w/ socket or a 400 diamond laced?
astral crystal
sweet kettle
The idol requires good use from you and it's mostly better in heavy damage situations and big packs
While the diamond laced provides a more steady income of shields and you don't really have to play around it
Overall laced is better
But idol has its uses and shouldn't be ignored
ornate wagon
hmmm is a socket worth 5 ilvl on a cloak
warm plinth
Yes, you can sacrifice 5 ilevel on a cloak for a socket. IIRC it's still pretty close between socket and 5 ilevels on cloak and wrist. I typically won't sacrifice for a socket unless it's on a ring.
lusty grotto
oh boy
finally opened the chest of belts and boots
and bracers
got a belt
😦
i don't know what i was thinking of course
lets count the bracers
i wonder if i should keep saving residuum for abyssal malevolence or just roll it
i have 5k
also ashvane warden's is tempting
lusty grotto
i dont know, 7150 is 4 rolls and you have 1/3 chance every roll
ah wait no
its 1/6 of a chance
so 16% chance just about
eh fuck it, ill wait
its not like im doing anything with my residuum anyway
open bluff
I'm just saving for 8.2 now on my monk and warr tbh
lusty grotto
i mean i guess that's a good idea but that's months away
and knowing blizzard i bet they do some shit where your old residuum doesn't work
open bluff
Last I heard it would be about 3-5x current 415 cost for top end S3 gear
open bluff
So plenty of time for monk to save up and warr just got 3x BoM 415s today so
lusty grotto
i mean ive had 415s and 3x BoM since week 2
or week 4 maybe
since i got champs chest relatively quickly
open bluff
Yeh my monk got three 415s quickly
lusty grotto
i had been rolling for fury pieces but i kinda lost interested because i fucking hate fury
open bluff
Warr I've been slacking on but got shield, champs chest, and abyssal malevolence helm in the past week
So not too worried about rolling for anything except maybe better shoulders
lusty grotto
yeah im not in any rush of getting ashvane warden's
but abyssal malevolence would be sweet
open bluff
I'd only be after... kraken shell pauldrons i think?
lusty grotto
yeah i got those
open bluff
Then again I do currently have the FH shoulders for 3x BoM 2x IF
umbral forge
@lusty grotto Blizz pretty adamant titan residuum wont be reset. Instead the cost will be like, x10'd.
open bluff
With a 420 shield
umbral forge
Like your addiction to WoW
open bluff
oof
oblique garnet
Quality content
Making low level characters with 3 friends
Queing up at 7 am on arena skirmish
next plaza
Mchimba's with leech or diamond lace...
warm plinth
Is...is that a real question?
warm plinth
It actually hurts me every time someone includes "with leech" like it matters.
lusty grotto
jesus christ lol
coral jasper
How to sim for prot? Or closes results for AoE and ST situations?
warm plinth
For ST just sim 5 min Patchwerk like everyone else. For AoE, I usually do a minute long patchwerk with 5-10 "bosses"
open bluff
You can also do a dungeon slice sim
warm plinth
Yeah I keep forgetting about that one
outer dew
leech is all that matters
warm plinth
🗞
pseudo ember
how good is siphoning enchant
warm plinth
It's not.
undone sun
Dungeon slice sim is arguably worse
Less reliable
@open bluff
Doesn't properly simulate good aoe situations
warm plinth
Damn that guy
undone sun
Are you nerfclap
pseudo ember
so i thought it might be ok
undone sun
Looking at "top" players for gear, stats, traits, isn't wise
Has this argument in felhammee yesterday 😡
warm plinth
Good rule of thumb is that if you didn't read it in the guide, or hear it from someone reputable in here, it's not true.
willow scarab
Had some spare TR so I gambled a helm
Goodbye eng goggles, was nice knowing ya
what a perfect item
mortal brook
the dream 😮
novel raptor
@fierce juniper Hey!!
undone sun
@outer dew lol, hit or miss tbh
Their side to it was something along the lines of, don't read guides, follow top players only
outer dew
i mean
top players do have their reasoning for it
but the chances if you have to ask
you don't understand about your needs or what you want enough
in order to bother following top players
undone sun
I mean, very niche scenarios were a top players advice would be useful for the average player. The question that started it was someone new looking for advice on how to gear up and what not. The guy simply said to ignore every guide because they're too basic, without even reading them. Top players situations are far different from the average player, it's not wise to base your decisions on them.
orchid token
also, gear/talent/trait choices are far less significant than most people think in determining your success, so a top player could easily be (and often is) succeeding in spite of their player setup choices, not because of them
sick sentinel
@sand egret yo that addon from eariler is fucking fire
orchid token
yet if you were a good prot warrior overall you could easily run HR and time a bunch of high keys or complete mythic raid
sick sentinel
orchid token
that's exactly my point
doesn't make it good but someone might look at you and be like "hey he does well with HR does that mean HR is good"
outer dew
if you were a good prot, you'd know know raid + am atm
there's no niche for HR
HR had a niche for uldir
not this current tier
orchid token
that's not what i mean by good prot
the point is that 95% of your success is determined by what buttons you press while in combat
everything else is the other 5%
if you press your buttons correctly you can succeed regardless of what else you do
willow scarab
Just leave everything alone and those who are going to succeed will, the rest can just be happy in their ignorance
willow scarab
Can you imagine trying to explain AM to a noob who's using HR?
digital frigate
Calm down. Leech is bis
sick sentinel
Like not even in a joking manner its the same issue
willow scarab
Consider this
orchid token
leech is the exact same thing
orchid token
playing with a ton of leech, bloodsport, and siphoning might not be as good as playing with boms and deafenings and deadly nav
but you're still gonna go and time 23 keys if you're a good tank
sick sentinel
^
orchid token
so someone who isn't timing 23 keys will look at that and be like
orchid token
sheet i shoul stack leech
outer dew
???
orchid token
instead of being like "i should be a good tank"
sick sentinel
In all seriousness, its really not good at all
but your putting more work into getting the leech to work
So it makes leech look "good"
which the same issue happens with HR
You put more work into a talent, that in reality sucks shit compared to the one right next to it
But if u do it right, its fine
Problem becomes, not everyone can do that, for 1 reason or another
austere oar
Top players are also based on a specific coordination and game plan that you wont find anywhere else
slim cosmos
if someone who to stack leech instead of thinking "i should be a good tank," why would they change their attitude if the top players were making different gearing choices? wouldn't they just change to mirroring whatever the top players are using?
willow scarab
I think the best solution is to make VDH slightly better than prot warrior so al lthe fotm rerolls leave and our class is pure again
Also the top players aren't stacking leech anymore
you need those tiny damage increases to time 25s
siphoning aint cutting it
orchid token
Sometimes a top player picks a talent because it applies uniquely to a situation only the top players are facing. Sometimes they pick it because they're wrong
sick sentinel
Let's not forget, sporepods is a dogshit trinketye
willow scarab
amen
sick sentinel
Yet in s1 we had boosted use it for +14 with no healers
austere oar
"I'm gonna bring x class with y spec bc it's good in this Add situation that we have difficulties in with our comp and setup" and then the morning after everyone playing this class everywhere bc they saw it
slim cosmos
that's 100% accurate, I just tihnk it's not worth worrying about misleading players. those people are going to be hyperfocused on gearing choices no matter if it's stacking crit or BOM or whatever
willow scarab
On the topic of keys with no healers
The CoS trinket is really nice
just does no damage
sick sentinel
It's the MDI effect
Remember last year with unholy dks and how people were for some reason shocked unholy does MASSIVE amount of damage
willow scarab
I don't think that's completely true
sick sentinel
People didn't realize that shit was because of the pull size
willow scarab
if people just copied MDI why does nobody use bwon trinket
sick sentinel
Because a majority of twitch watchers are not key heavy pushers
At most ud watch mdi to see routes, but u can do that with vods and u know someone is cutting up clips of the routes they used
Not only that, how many of those viewers are willing to level a new class, farm the gear and try to mimic shit they see
sharp sable
is there a place that ranks azerite armors for tanks similar to bloodmallet?
undone sun
best place would be IV, can't sim defensively so anything similar to Bloodmallet/herodamage isn't a thing
sharp sable
whats iv
undone sun
Icy Veins
sharp sable
oh and just trying to piece together the azerite trains that are priority?
exotic spoke
Today was a good day
old zephyr
Hey what's the order of activation you Guys do on cabal ? And when do you lust
austere oar
We used to do Crown > Trident > Stone in hc, I dont think a perfect order has been found yet and since the boss still hasn't been defeated in M we cant know for sure
silk mortar
Are we talking mythic or just Heroic?, My group did Trident, Void stone, Crown. But gotta figure what works best for your group
sick sentinel
on heroic yeah but on mythic the crown mechanic is so fucking bad you want to get rid of it ASAP
I did a quick scroll and read about HR and leech
come on guys you are better than this
warm plinth
Are they though Kaege?
sick sentinel
probably
sleek raptor
should i stay with the haste/mastery gloves?
sick sentinel
socket
quiet crane
^
undone sun
S P E E E E E D
sick sentinel
lol thyme
austere oar
Gong gang
lime mantle
Speed so you can run away from your problems
modern ocean
does prot care about stats or always go higher itemlvl? 3k hp worth 500 dps diference in dungeon slice sim?
for m+
honest canopy
I allways juggle if i should open the chest as DPS or Prot specc
modern ocean
unless you need 1h weapon, as dps is beter
sick sentinel
or a shield
modern ocean
but still noone answer, stats minmax as prot for m+ or just pump into ilvl?
modern ocean
allright
lime mantle
Drop main haste+secondary crit for main versa and secondary haste.
🤔
muted heron
guys whats better an extra bastion of might or defeaing crash
muted heron
since im using the engineer head and first boss chest. i have 2 DC
zinc garnet
bastion
sand condor
this week is a joke btw
zinc garnet
if you already have 1 dc
sick sentinel
Don't use more than 1 dc
drowsy salmon
good cache titanforged for my shitty equipped war! Jes's howler 410!
should i macro it alone and use it alone, or is better to pair it with some cd?
drowsy salmon
my IL is 365 lol
outer dew
I was debating about memeing the punish/HR/Devastator life
outer dew
Lmao
Wouldn't be surprised
Having fun with the consumption trinket in raids
Mini lay on hands every min / min half for mechanics
bold linden
hi guys... i just go briny barnacle 410 from chest is it any worth for aoe dmg ? im usually running with gore-crusted butcher block (410) rezan eys (395), alchemist stone (415)
crisp pecan
i did exchanged one DC for IF
spare epoch
I have the engineering head 420, for m+ tanking high keys this week 17-20 tyrannical, would u go with Synaptic spark capacitor or Relational normalization gizmo?
sand condor
ohboy
posted a strawpoll asking my guildies what tank to level next
there;s already a vote for demonhunter...
pastel holly
Hey guys. Finished my first 10 as a tank last week, so I could buy a 415 piece now. Got a piece with BoM and eiter the TC trait or that haste procc thing after 3 attacks. I know we should only aim for 1 tc trait but theoretically I could use 3x BoM / 3 x TC on all my pieves. Is it worth only for the TC extra dmg due to the shout duration not stacking? or should I use the haste procc + bloodsport on chest?
pastel holly
ye thats what i mean
okay thank you
but would 3x BoM/3x TC a idea just bc of the TC dmg incrase? or is it that minor, that it is overshadowed by everything else ?
lime mantle
@sick sentinel isn’t versa better than crit for not dying?
lime mantle
Why so? The raid one.
spare epoch
I searched old messages regarding engineering head, but they werent really conclusive. Which engineering trait would you guys pick this week for Mythic +? Synaptic or gizmo
crisp pecan
ye, gizmo works
spare epoch
ok thanks
drowsy salmon
which is the desired haste to cycle bs correctly?
and on top of this, i understood that Item level > all but speaking about ring (no primary stat) should be the same or should be evaluated Haste predominance withing rings?
undone sun
Rings are more lenient
old zephyr
It HM, but my healer don't handle crown well
We used to do crown2 void2 trident2
But i'm thinking about crown void2 trident2 crown
brazen sequoia
Can't find the pin.. sorry.
Trinket rankings for raid bosses and m+?
brazen sequoia
I mean, I have Rezan and Jes Howler.
old zephyr
Jes is meh
brazen sequoia
Just curious if the "i'm lowkey a warlock"-trinket from crucible is worth it
Wasn't Jes BiS back around Uldir time?
sick sentinel
jes is really really good
for raids
but it's not as good for mplus
because it's a 2min
brazen sequoia
Ah alright
I also have Opulence mythic titanforged trinket which I swap with Jes once in a while
inner bear
oh.. we at trinkets again.. perfect.. what seetup for m+/raid 400 vial, 410 block, 415 alchemist
brazen sequoia
I were just asking..
inner bear
you did not ask with my available options :< i havee eneither jes nor opulence and stuff
brazen sequoia
So in general I'm gonna let Jes collect dust in my bag and go with diamond, ya? And what about the Rezan trinket? It's still BIS?
bold linden
@inner bear i'd go block + alchemist not a huge fan of vial
inner bear
in both szenarios?
bold linden
ah sorry for m+ im not a raider ^^
inner bear
ty 😃
sick sentinel
I will not call any trinket bis
there are a lot of really good trinkets and it depends on what ilvl you get ethem
@old zephyr what are you on about
old zephyr
I misread never mind
empty inlet
i have vial block prism
dunno when i want to use prism :thihnking:
do you guys use prism base on weeks/dungeon ?
empty inlet
so my new prism is useless in m+ ? pepehands
empty inlet
yes same ilvl
strong forum
Prism is good for highkeys
junior ivy
hi
undone sun
👋
half palm
thats the butchers block you guys are referring to?
primal sable
sick sentinel
have fun
junior ivy
ty
its a much needed distraction
but im boring i mostly just wanna go to sephora, costco and ikea lol
undone sun
🤣
sick sentinel
ready for keys boys
obtuse vortex
just curious is there a reason there is like no info in the pinned section compared to the fury and arms channels?
weary thorn
my sarcastic response would be that people would ask their question here anyways before checking the pins/reading the faq
but honestly I don't know
umbral field
whats the new hands for cos like for prot?
umbral forge
@obtuse vortex we're so nice and Helpful we'd prefer answering the questions instead of leaving them to the pins
undone sun
Well...
Yes but plentiful pins are always more useful than not
Having to divert else where for basically everything, is counter intuitive
sick sentinel
Probably has to do with not having unnecessary/old pins
@umbral field garbage
it has to do with information getting removed from the pins and being added to #268491842637660160
Yo did u see the SS of my toon with that add-on from yesterday blade showed us @sick sentinel ?
weary thorn
what is this add-on that you speak of @sick sentinel ?
paper holly
Are you guys doing big pulls this week with raging ?
or do u minimize it to like, 4 per pack ?
potent anvil
Pull big
paper holly
good stuff then
chrome falcon
Anyone got experience with the interrupt WA for the jaina elemental?
paper holly
will try it out soon enough
drowsy salmon
idol should be used paired with a cd or alone when needed?
sick sentinel
It's this one, called Narcissus @weary thorn
It's zoomed out and doesn't show the rotation of the camera
paper holly
as a tank should i ignore the first boss on siege and just focus down the adds in the fight ?
weary thorn
Ah gotcha, I only recently heard of that add on
thorn dawn
In Heroic Mekka last night during phase two most of the damage taken was from "spark Volley" is there a way to reduce that damage taken? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1pGPbhtqJWdYcT4A#type=damage-taken&by=ability&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1
sick sentinel
@paper holly yesish
U should be grabbing aggro of the other two adds and at least try to stack the melee one with boss for cleave
paper holly
will do then cheers
sick sentinel
I believe volley is from the bots @thorn dawn, my only guess would be IP/SR/SW to reduce it for yourself
thorn dawn
I am more worried about the team. Because Phase 2 was crushing us
My guess is just get the bots down faster
sick sentinel
P2 is a rush anwyays
U want to come out of intermission with no bots
It's usually when u use lust as well and 2nd pot
thorn dawn
Sorry I was talking about phase 1.5
Forgot it was not actually phase 2 haha
We would have a clean phase one then would lose like 4 people in phase 1.5
Almost every time
weary thorn
you can grip the bots yea? Isn't that why some teams take bdk's on myth mekka?
sick sentinel
U can grip and root bots
It's the only fight druids are mandated to use mass entangle
weary thorn
right, so between druids and a possible bdk you've got more cc that feeds into damage mitigation specifically for that fight
thorn dawn
Spark volley is just a cast that hits players though, right? That is not the AOE. I thought Spark Pulse was the AOE
So rooting would not stop them from hitting people
weary thorn
see now youre getting too specific for my pea brain
thorn dawn
Haha
weary thorn
i'm a warrior not a scientist
thorn dawn
I am trying to find info about it but none of the guides call it out. Which is odd because it is doing a ton of damage to us
My guess is disable bots faster = less damage but i am trying to find some confirmation.
weary thorn
yea spark volley is shot at random players, looking now to see if I can find a range on them or something
300 yd range so im thinkin you cannot outrange it
just a hunch tho
not seeing anything specific to dealing with spark volley. So yea, you'll just have to disable them asap if they are putting that much pressure on your healers
thorn dawn
Thanks. That is what I thought but wanted to make sure I was not crazy
weary thorn
mekkatorque has probably downed more guilds on mythic than guilds that have downed him
so don't feel bad lol
drowsy salmon
have sense to pair IDOL from crucible with rallying?
pump up party hp and then steal it
weary thorn
if you don't foresee needing that RC for anything else, sure why not
I dont think it would be worth though, its almost a full heal as is most times
weary thorn
RC is a solid defense cd on a 3min timer, whearas idol is a good heal on a 1 minute cd
I'd personally keep them separate
drowsy salmon
thank you
weary thorn
yea sure thing
paper holly
my goodness this is probably the easiest week in the history of m+
just blasted through a +14 siege
weary thorn
its definitely a push week
paper holly
ended up +2ing it, mainly cause i got too confident in a pull and did a huge pull then we wiped lmao
umbral forge
Do 4 WQ's in Zandalari
go to deliver emissary
Can't
Double check
It's vol'dunai
end me
tepid raptor
umbral forge
Overwhelming Power
weary thorn
op
umbral forge
Overwhelming Power is an outer ring affix that somehow ended up in the middle ring so if its available you press it
sand condor
when you do heroic to see if you can get some luckforged trinkets for mythic
but arent sure if mythic will even be ran today
feels sad man
umbral forge
@sand condor invite me
sand condor
we're full
umbral forge
I thought we were friend
sick sentinel
INR that's fucking cool
@sick sentinel can you pm me with the link for the character's thing]
Its an amazing add-on u can have a tv grain like filter and turn off for whatever reason the camera from rotation
It replaced my Deja add-on since I like how much better it looks
lucid bough
man, the 2hand wp is so busted
on my brewmaster heals 20% of my total heal while mantaining close to 100% uptime on the stat
like 100% uptime on 600+ agility
weary thorn
are you talking about the cos 2h?
drowsy salmon
i can't understand how the stats weight works for tanks, as a dps just use simulationcraft and you have the response
but with my war how can i understand if is better a ring with the same amount of versa instead of mastery?
drowsy salmon
if i sim i have dps not the overall
drowsy salmon
ok so for my war tank is always true haste>versa>mastery> etc?
brittle owl
if you want survival follow the priority listed in faq/pins
because you can't sim survival
brittle owl
yes