protection

[sick sentinel]

you want to always have rage for shieldblock, because that's a lot more important to have up

but if you have already shieldblock up then you should also have IP rolling for damage smoothing

you can use rage for revenge if you wanna spread deep wounds on AoE scenarios ( it deals a substantial amount of damage) but that's about it

you can use IP when you are about to cap rage, even if your IP is capped

but at the scenario you can also use revenge to just throw rage away

[drowsy salmon]

i have bolster, so i should cast in sequence shield block charge and then last stand?

[sick sentinel]

because being ragecaped is the worst thing possible

SB SB SB LS SB SB SB SW SB SB

[drowsy salmon]

ah, ok so your rotation includes those CD

without waiting to use them as panic button

[sick sentinel]

you use CDs rotationally, we do not have panic buttons

I personally use rallying cry as a panic button tbh

if you have enough haste or you know exactly what you are doing you can 4 SBs sometimes and shit

[drowsy salmon]

the third charge of SB will come in time?

[sick sentinel]

so you will not have to use SW rotationally

the third will come in time after a very easy to reach breakpoint of haste

[drowsy salmon]

nice

[sick sentinel]

and you want as much haste as possible

if you are tanking trash or stunnable mobs you can let your active mitigation drop and use shockwave

so you can wait 3 seconds

etc

so you can get more SB casts between coolies

[drowsy salmon]

yes i use it in rotation

have you a link for marok stream? i found someone but looking at clips it's not a war 😄

also,is DS to be use as much as possible in the rotation? i think i should pay attention at not be rage capped

[sick sentinel]

you DS on cd

if you do you will get one every other avatar

you can IP and cast DS imidiatelly after

[drowsy salmon]

ok, so burn rage with IP if capped then DS

[sick sentinel]

or SB+IP and DS

or even revenge

marok is 'https://www.twitch.tv/xmarok'

[drowsy salmon]

thank you /bow

[sick sentinel]

sense is 'https://www.twitch.tv/snse'

and lala is 'https://www.twitch.tv/lala_senpai'

lala and sense are stormforged and marok is the icy veins author and also prot theory crafter

you should read icyveins btw

[drowsy salmon]

i did as always when approach a new class, but some doubts were still there :p

[lime mantle]

@sick sentinel yes it was.
Also put avatar off the gcd NOW.
REEEEE.

[sick sentinel]

avatar will not be put off the GCD

if there is one ability that is on the GCD and it's possible for it to get out the GCD jail

is DS

[lime mantle]

CDs should not be on the gcd.
Fuck minigames, they are only fun when I get to IWINbuttons!
Satanic screaming

But on a serious note, fuck the gcd change.

[sick sentinel]

I can understand the reason why they want offensive CDs on GCD

but like

why is demo shout and rallying cry in there

[lime mantle]

The reason is utterly retarded.

[sick sentinel]

fury in legion had like 6 cds in one button

like come on

[lime mantle]

And that has been a thing since for as long as I can remember, and never was a problem except now.

Also doesn’t explain why some mobility skills are on the gcd

(Or where)

[sick sentinel]

I think more spells will get removed from the GCD soon

[sick comet]

Rallying cry is a raid cooldown and demo is the better pick as an offensive cooldown

[sick sentinel]

it's only an offensive with a talent

[lime mantle]

Y’know it’s fine to admit blizzard makes mistakes.
Gcd’ing a bunch of CDs is one of them specially for a PvP “one shot macro” which has existed in some form since vanilla because of how wildly unbalanced PvP in MMOs is and how horrid blizzard is at actual balance.

[sick comet]

Maybe Demo shout is on the GCD because of Booming Voice.

[primal sable]

its not

its on the gcd cause blizzard is a bunch of sadists

[lime mantle]

^

Same reason fiery mark is on the gcd

Or frenzied regen :joys

[sick comet]

Light of the Protector is also on the GCD. Understandable that "big" personal heals on tanks are on the GCD, like Victory Rush/Impending Victory is. Fiery Brand being on GCD is questionable considering DHs don't have any defensive cooldowns so just stupid to put a defensive cooldown on the GCD. But it also becomes an "offensive" cooldown with Charred Flesh talent which makes it similar to Demo Shout

[lime mantle]

Fiery brand is also pretty bad since it is ONLY ST (and takes a non insignificant amount of time and a talent to spread) and VDH has only 2 CDs (meta at 5m and brand at 1m).

(LoP on the gcd also feels p. Bad)

[crimson sentinel]

just put everything off gcd :—)

[sick sentinel]

Cpm=as fast as you can press buttons

[lime mantle]

Perfection tbh.

Now VDH will finally be good!

[sand egret]

VDH meta is 3 min, fyi. not 5.

Havoc is 5.

Veng is 3.

[sick sentinel]

Vdh meta has 2 cds

A 3m and an 8 m one

;)

[sand egret]

: s

I hate picking last stand haha

[sand condor]

this priest

mindcontrols me in front of kingsrest

[warped hound]

Hey. I dont know much about protection warriors, but the thing ive been wondering the most is: When do you use Siphoning? and when do you quick navigation?

[sand condor]

and walks me inside

you NEVER use siphoning

[ionic fern]

You always use Quick Navigation.

[sand egret]

Never and always

ezpz

[sand condor]

UNLESS YOU'RE JETTOM*

[primal sable]

wait, who is it that we ping on leech questions?

[sand condor]

@ionic fern

[sand egret]

dont.

[sand condor]

that guy

[ionic fern]

[primal sable]

cough

[sand egret]

or him

just not the other guy

[sick sentinel]

Who

[warped hound]

Just see that some of high end m+ prot warriors run with siphoning - and ive been wondering why

[sick sentinel]

@nimchip ?

[sand egret]

aww

he already dipped eh?

[primal sable]

high end m+ warriors can do what they want, they have a full group of great players

dont try to emulate them

[sand egret]

@warped hound basically its somewhat of a meme but the reality is that leech at very high end thresholds can potentially start producing more relative value as the ratio of dps to max hp moves towards the former.

howerver that threshold is for mega pulls + reaping where you’re hitting absurd numbers. even then, Quick Nav is still solid so its a really pretty clear for the better overall choice

[warped hound]

aaah okay, i had maybe guessed it was because of the amount of dmg you could pump as prot warrior. but ill stick with quick navi then 😃 thanks alot for all your answers !

[sand egret]

it is , in the sense that the damage potential makes it more valuable. but thats in a scenario of high keys where they’re actually doing to it leverage healer dps more in their group, as leech essentially can save a gcd or so of heals at those levels.

[warped hound]

aaah yeah makes alot of sense

thanks alot! i really appreciate that you took the time to explain instead of just saying "Quick navi is better". As I prefer knowing why X is better 😛

[frosty ridge]

question. if you have Bolster and use Last Stand, is shield block useful at all for crit blocks, or you're just wasting it while Last Stand is active? on Jaina mythic for example

[sick sentinel]

The only thing shieldblock does during last stand is make your shield slam hit a tad harder

[primal sable]

if last stand is up shield block does nothing defensively

[ionic fern]

You can Crit block with LS as well.

[frosty ridge]

gotcha

[brisk ferry]

Got jebaited. Rezans dropped with the arrows pointing up as if upgraded. "avoidance"

[sick sentinel]

LOL

F

[honest canopy]

Thinking about getting an alt

Brew will prob eat big dick nerf

So, guardian or DK?

[brisk ferry]

Wut

A nerf to brewmaster would require an entire overhaul to their system

And their DPS is poop

All this to say, you should alt brewmaster lo

Lol

[honest canopy]

Naw, brew will ge smashed

I feel it

[astral crystal]

they really wont

play pally tho

sleeper op

always comes out really strong in later tiers

downside is you can't be a bucket-drooling mouthbreather to be halfway decent at it

[honest canopy]

Need to pick smt that can be Highmountain

I wanna use my new model 😦

[brisk ferry]

Pallys the only tank I haven't geared at 120. Might do that

[astral crystal]

they're super fun

i just hate sotr

[sick sentinel]

Druid will be stronk

[brisk ferry]

What makes you say that?

[honest canopy]

They scale well with gear and

the changes in 8.2 looks QoL

[brisk ferry]

Oh nice. Might actually get to play mine

[indigo narwhal]

guardian changes are pretty yuge

[modern brook]

are there new changes or are we discussing the release from 10 days ago

[astral crystal]

old announcements

there was a vdh announcement today though

[sick sentinel]

And a guardian buff like today

[modern brook]

Any links i cant find

[sick sentinel]

Like 7 hours ago

#news

[modern brook]

😠

I didnt even know that was a channel

[sand egret]

Bear changes are...questionable imho

that's a lot of rage lol. VDH is a lolwut moment, but does point to them doing this balancing more iteratively like they did in 8.0-8.1

[modern brook]

frenzy is now a health stone and meta is less useless

yawn

[sand egret]

frenzy is half my rage bar for it

[modern brook]

oh nvm i read it wrong

[sand egret]

so I hope these other rage changes compensate (i haven't actually hit the ptr)

[modern brook]

its additional

so it keeps the HoT and u can burn rage for a healthstone?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah

[sand egret]

it's just a .6% max hp per rage

in addition to the HoT

up to 18%

the upfront part is cool

[modern brook]

Do...are they going to fix the specs rage generation issues?

[sand egret]

they already did

or at least addressed it

i dunno about "fixed"

[sick sentinel]

@soft kindle how real is bear?

[sand egret]

but it's solid now and buffs be buffs so it'll be pretty good i imagine

[sick sentinel]

Inb4 bear is sleeper op in 8.2

[astral crystal]

bear's still strong tbh

[sand egret]

they do scale perty well late in expansions

[astral crystal]

they weren't shitcans in 8.0/8.1

[sand egret]

yep, agil scaling + more traits went a long way

[astral crystal]

having an hp wall with two shield walls and pretty decent phys mit was never a bad thing

[honest canopy]

@sick sentinel , Is it worth pick a point in Reckless Flurry as Prot?

[sand egret]

only for st memeing

[honest canopy]

Its either that or bloodsport 🤔

yeah its for ST memeing

Like Mekka

[sand egret]

then it aint much a choice

😃

[honest canopy]

Well I could get my thrid Iron Fortress

[sand egret]

doesn't that fight do a lot of magic damage?

[honest canopy]

Dont feel the need really

Well i wont swap around for each fight

I wanna smeesh

[sick sentinel]

Ehhh

I wouldn't

[sand egret]

well one gives you more smeesh (and only that)....I'm not a fan of the RF builds

i respect the hustle

but not my cup of tea

[sick sentinel]

Real pad boys use 3bom 1dc 2 tc

[honest canopy]

910 extra autoattack dmg

I dont have 3 bom 😦

i hae 1

0 TC, wtf is wrong with my gear 🤔

[lusty grotto]

tc is only from bod so...

[sand egret]

naw the real G is 3x BoM / 1x DC / 2x MS

[honest canopy]

Ikr, aaa

I dont have 415 pice with TC

thats the issue, i had TC before

[soft kindle]

Bear is still a meme

still pretty shit

but still gonna rock it for memes so 👏

[honest canopy]

I haev to choose between TC and BoM

thats my issue, got the sea chest plate 415

[soft kindle]

That's not even a choice tho

BoM

[honest canopy]

ikr

[umbral forge]

Yahallo

[honest canopy]

Ress

[sick sentinel]

Aye pandaren warriors rise up

[analog swift]

Hey guys got a non-prot warrior question about mythic lockouts if anybody has a second

[floral tinsel]

shoot

@analog swift

[analog swift]

we were thinking of extending tonight. But we have a guild merger that might want to trial. I obviously don't want to trial them on hard core progress. I haven't got a confirmation yet (just spoke last night).

Can I extend the lockout on my brewmaster monk and if the guild wants to trial jsut reclear on my warrior and nobody else who previously cleared w/ my monk will be locked yeah?

[floral tinsel]

yes

[sturdy sable]

Trialing people on prog isnt a bad idea

[analog swift]

right but it's a group of seven

[sturdy sable]

Ooh

[analog swift]

yeah

if it was one maybe two sure

@floral tinsel groovy and then I can just hang onto the lockout next week if i'm feeling it? that monk will obiously not be able to reclear

[floral tinsel]

The "locks" are essentially reset for every character except for the character doing the lock. If you do it like you describe it then your brewmaster will be on a separate lockout than the reclear (warrior).... these two wont mixx.. so if you lock players to say your warrior recleair they cannot join the monk one before next week

Trialing people on hardcore progress is not a bad idea, because you can see how they perform on progress (assuming they havent killed the boss on taht difficulty before) and how well they adapt to strategies of the raid instead of just beeing forced into a strategy (witch happens on reclairs).

[analog swift]

oh yeah I wouldn't have a problem trialiing people

I just dno't want to sit out seven of my raiders for a fight (there are also composition issues with 1/7 being a healer)

so i'd rather be able to trial a few on this boss a few on this boss etc.

[floral tinsel]

what boss are you afraid of not reclairing though? Everything is easy to recleair besides Mekkatorque I would say... Oppulence might take a lot of pulls for a first kill, but subsecuent kills are not hard

okay.. yeah.. that sounds reasonable

[analog swift]

honestly im not afraid of re clearing. May sound silly but we've been on opulence for a 170 pulls had guild disband rebuild etc. and knocked it. We were doing it as sort of a casual "now we get to take a week off from looking at opulence" sort of thing.

[floral tinsel]

😂

[analog swift]

hahahha yeah. I mean we can clear the first three in an hour

[floral tinsel]

My guild is at jaina now, and we have started extending because reclairing Mekka is just painful

[analog swift]

and we downed opulence (firstn ight raiding as a new guild) in less than two with two people subbing in for tanks (tanks dpsing) and two trials lololol

oh fuck yeah

how many pulls do you think jaina is?

[floral tinsel]

no idea.. we are at 200-something and not even close to getting the whole raid alive into phase 3 😛

so 200 wipes plus however long phase 3 takes to learn.....

my guess would be 300-350?

[modern brook]

Is M Crucible out yet?

[floral tinsel]

At least not until tomorrow on EU

no idea about US, but I am guessing at some time today?

[fresh valley]

about an hour

for US

we had mekka down to 18% on our first night of real prog on him, consistently getting to phase 3 with only 1 or 2 deaths, this week barely make it to phase 2 😦

[sick sentinel]

Yo run ur pockets
What's in y'all chest

It's screenshot time

[gleaming obsidian]

Some assistance so I can get a better understanding. For reaping on the keys I’ve been doing I’ve been having trouble rounding everything up. I can usually get the first ones that show up with a tc but if more show up while it’s on cd things get hairy. If I have avatar up I don’t usually have too much issue but working around the tc cd makes things a little hard. Mind you on 390 so I still have a ways to go with gear

[sick sentinel]

Try to save avatar if reaping is right about to start

[fresh valley]

also, keep in mind the travel time for the bulk of mobs

[gleaming obsidian]

I will also heroic leap to get a little more agrro on stuff while tc is on cd

[sick sentinel]

So if u know the pack u have or about to pull will lead to reaping it's best to save avatar

[fresh valley]

sometimes you don't want to pop avatar right at the start of reap

you want to wait till the majority of things show up

[gleaming obsidian]

Thanks for the advice

[sick sentinel]

It's why the TC talent is useful since it gives 4 extra yards

Communicating with your group and having them semi stack on you can also help

[sand egret]

seconding the cadence of mobs. Sometimes they are literally running half-way across the dungeon to get to you. That sometimes is like 5-8 seconds of waiting which is >20% of your total Avatar time lost

[fresh valley]

and don't be afraid to use rage on revenge for threat, the only thing threatening in reaping is the dot

[sick sentinel]

Also start with a TC first when reaping starts so u can put TC on CD and when u activate Ava it comes off cd almost right away when more adds show up

[fresh valley]

so dumping rage in revenge is fine on reaping waves

[sick sentinel]

Also LoS the reaping always if possible

[sand egret]

LoS is the key

the casters are the real issue

everything else will run up in your shit

[floral tinsel]

@gleaming obsidian As people have said... 1. TC talent, 2. try to save Avatar, 3. Use a bit of rage on Revenge is a decent way to build some aggro, 4. Rogues and hunters misdirecting to you. 5. In general reaping mobs are not scary to your party unless they have a lot on them or getting meleed by the big ones.. A good thing to do is just manually taunt the big one, do a heroic leap to build a little more AOE aggro as well as resetting taunt to tount another one

[sand egret]

them ghost slingers just be chillin in the back

[jovial haven]

at least they nerfed the range of the damn casters in reaping

[sick sentinel]

Also depending on the dungeon u can have the reaping wave happen where the last one took place

I.E. shrine before 2nd boss

[fresh valley]

life hack: shockwave a big group of casters then cast spell reflect to reflect multiple grave bolts at once

[sick sentinel]

^big brain

But here's a better one
Stormbolt one add

[fresh valley]

there's always some lone caster that fucks that plan

[sand egret]

that ghost

[sick sentinel]

That mothefucker right there

He keeps staring at me

I can see you motherfucker

Yet my range refuses to kick it

And instead stuns it somehow

[marble cipher]

https://tenor.com/wCzz.gif

(couldn't resist)

[fresh valley]

that'll never get old

[sick sentinel]

👌

[sand egret]

Funny moment last night: Ran a key last night with my coworkers for our +10s and its during reaping and I'm picking up another mob, look away for a second. I'm now looking back at my char and on the ground...but since we're on the bridge in FH I'm curious and ask "hey, [DH friend], did you drop Darkne-"

you can guess what happened next.

"No"

[sick sentinel]

"In that moment, he knew, he had fucked up."

[sand egret]

Bladesong has died

[fresh valley]

gots to be more careful

[sand egret]

on another note. 380 VDH in a +10 doing the pack before Vokaal this week was SPICY

[sick sentinel]

Also which bridge, first or 2nd?

[sand egret]

I wanna say the 2nd

[modern brook]

The one to 4th boss

well 3rd

[sick sentinel]

^

[modern brook]

but 4th

[fresh valley]

i don;t know why you'd get reaping on the first bridge

[sand egret]

Yeah, that one

[sick sentinel]

Ur right idk how you would

[modern brook]

IDK why you'd fight anything on first bridge tbh

[sick sentinel]

But someone how my tank did

I'm look ok, yes but fucking how

[sand egret]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

we were on a bridge

and shit got real

[sick sentinel]

I like reaping on that bridge

It's like watching 4 people play ddr

In wow

[fresh valley]

guys, i'm not gonna lie. i'm slightly excited for the GIANT FUCKING PULLS going on this week

[modern brook]

yeah same tbh

[sand egret]

after last week

yes.

[modern brook]

last week wasnt that bad

tbh

[sand egret]

uh

[sick sentinel]

Fuck u it wasnt

[sand egret]

i fucking hated it

[modern brook]

We've def had shittier weeks

[sand egret]

% damage on % damage

is just ass

esp when one of those denies healer casts /drinks

[fresh valley]

bursting makes 10 keys feel like 15s

[sick sentinel]

With how hard Bursting hits and how untimely quake can come up fuck that week

[sand egret]

and the other punishes way too hard for being too good at your job

[modern brook]

Retarded dps*** makes 10 keys feel like 15s

[fresh valley]

well

retarded dps makes anything bad

[modern brook]

🤷 im just saying

this was a super managable week

[sick sentinel]

If rather fucking have necro/grievous +, sanguine everyday of the week over last

[modern brook]

like that the new affixes are baby shit get ur 20s in

[sand egret]

i'd take necro over bursting

tbh

[fresh valley]

i pushed my highest key ever this week, so i'm feeling really spicy about this week

[modern brook]

Same 🤷

I'd take bursting over grevious tbh

[sick sentinel]

I'd take death over bursting

[modern brook]

I'd take bursting over sanguine

[sand egret]

fuck sang

[modern brook]

sang isnt fun

[sand egret]

i agree to that

[modern brook]

snot hard

[fresh valley]

grevious/tryannical is cancer

[modern brook]

just isnt fun

[sick sentinel]

At least sang u can deal with it

[sand egret]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

Bring a druid/monk or have a bdk

[sand egret]

sang is high in annoyance factor but low in difficulty

[modern brook]

IDK maybe im spoiled for haivng played rogue all last week

[sand egret]

and is just infinitely worse depending on the layout

[sick sentinel]

Bursting get fucked since some adds are like wet toliet paper

[modern brook]

cause like when ppl got dumb u just cloak

but bursting is like 90% hype

[marble cipher]

I screwed up big bursting pulls by asking aoe to slow down, but I was still clapping 100k dps .... 😦

[sand egret]

bursting punishes a lot of specs

[modern brook]

with a competent team its pretty close to no affix

[marble cipher]

Wasn't liked much

[sand egret]

yeah....that's the worst

[sick sentinel]

I can deal with bursting well on my feral since I can tank it with heals and SI

But god damnit

[sand egret]

affixes that make me clap Less can ffuck off

[modern brook]

^

100%

Will give u that

[sand egret]

Well, at least we got Raging and that ranged affix this week.....

[sick sentinel]

The who affix

[modern brook]

Raging and fuck my mage

[sand egret]

time to meet a lot of shell-shocked pugs

[modern brook]

the 2 best affixes

[sand egret]

who are all gunshy after last week

[sick sentinel]

Raging or as I like to call it

[sand egret]

"LF 2.4k IO ffor a +5"

[modern brook]

"Suddenly the turtle before shark man is a big threat without a druid"-ging.

U ever get hit by him during rage fort?

[sick sentinel]

Nope

Cause I'm a druid

[sand egret]

^

[modern brook]

AA's chunk for like 30% through block

[sick sentinel]

Jfc

[sand egret]

yeah 100% scaling on that mofo is no fun

[modern brook]

we're rage volcano tyr this week right?

[sick sentinel]

Raging and bolster

Yea

[sand egret]

i remember doing it on my brew last time it came around

my stagger bar was like

Empty

Empty

FULL

[modern brook]

sound like a KR week or nah?

[sick sentinel]

Depends

[modern brook]

I need KR, Momload, and shrine for my 15 acheive

[sick sentinel]

Does ur dps know how to kill gorbs on the 1st boss

[fresh valley]

i have a great route for shrine that only requires one rogue

[modern brook]

LOL I dont know why im laughing at gorbs so much

[sand egret]

THEY TOOK OUR GORBS!

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[sand egret]

random KR mobs

[weary thorn]

man I ran a supposed to be easy 12 siege last night with our top 2 raid DH's just for funsies

it was not fun

[modern brook]

I really feel like KR trash is over hyped

[weary thorn]

double eyebeam brings all the bursting to the yard folks

[sand egret]

how about them spotter packs

[weary thorn]

remember this

[modern brook]

I think its bosses are so much harder

[sick sentinel]

It's really just the start

[modern brook]

Would rather do it on fort

[fresh valley]

is there a WA for tracking when the beserkers are going to cast their bleed?

[sick sentinel]

It's the mini bosses and the room around the 1st people tend to hate/die most

[sand egret]

it's a proximity based thing post jump

[fresh valley]

i'm pretty good about getting away before they, but having something that says hey, gtfo would be nice

[sand egret]

not really timing related

but more conditional

[sick sentinel]

Unfortunately I don't think so

[modern brook]

They do their bleed on the closest target after they jump

And KR has 4 pressure points for pug killing

[fresh valley]

i always thought it was a frontal

[sand egret]

they do 1 off the bat

[weary thorn]

you can bait that bleed with pets if you have a hunter/lock

[modern brook]

1st boss, miniboss room, 3rd boss, zul

[sick sentinel]

Don't they bleed first then jump then bleed again

[modern brook]

everything else is pretty ez

[sand egret]

yeah it's bleed > jump > bleed

[modern brook]

I've never seen first bleed tbh

[sand egret]

walk up to the doublepack

[sick sentinel]

I don't because I stun

[sand egret]

and you'll see it

[modern brook]

I'll trust it, but just saying

[sand egret]

their jump is on a timer

[fresh valley]

definitely bleed jump bleed

[modern brook]

Trash in 1st room if ur DPS doesnt know how to kick

[sick sentinel]

Also I jebait my dps if I can't stun

[modern brook]

but thats only on fort

[analog swift]

yeah while fort in KR hits super hard

[sand egret]

so you can get them to jump if you don't provide a target initially

[analog swift]

it doesn't really change the pulls that much

[fresh valley]

i want to know how the MDI people do the entire first room in one pull

[analog swift]

whereas some dungeons you cna't double pull or w/e cuz of fort

[modern brook]

^ You're basically never double pulling KR anyways

[fresh valley]

and the tank doesnt just die immediately

[analog swift]

you wouldn't do that in KR anyway

[empty inlet]

It's not after jump

[analog swift]

it also lines up lust really well

[modern brook]

Like yeah bleeds need to be handled and kicks need to be on those deadly chills

[empty inlet]

Its every 7 second

[sick sentinel]

Then it's timed very well to jumps then

[modern brook]

but u just have to deal with stupid zuul

the miniboss room isnt hard cause of fort

[sand egret]

it definitely happens post jump

every time

[analog swift]

you can lust first room, lust second room w/ reaping (during that overlap) can lust in the first pack on the bridge then lust on zul

[empty inlet]

Just stun it after 6 and soak with blur blade dance respose

[analog swift]

dude a KR 15 last week "tank why are you dead" looks at four deathly chills going off

actually ya know what fucking IRKS me about KR

[modern brook]

"Tank needs to not die"

[sand egret]

shadow bolt

err

spectral bolt

[analog swift]

there is always one dps "oh yeah I'll get the shadow bolt"

no

get in the kick rotation

[modern brook]

-Demon hunter whos kick hasnt been used since the dungeon started

[sand egret]

haha

[analog swift]

then we'll kick or stun the volley

[modern brook]

ez handle on that mob; tank gets volley, DPS kick chills

[empty inlet]

Spectral bolt and frostshock are poor design

[analog swift]

that's just someoen being lazy who pretends to act like they're good

[sick sentinel]

That's the FUCKING WORST

[brittle owl]

what are you guys talking about, kr is perfect, like it's either gonna be ok or fall apart 3 mins into the dungeon

easiet key to pug

[analog swift]

^^ i mean that's true you know pretty much immediately

[brittle owl]

least amount of stress

[analog swift]

but shit like the minions bursting is fucking retarded

[modern brook]

Not true on Tyr man

[brittle owl]

wdym

[modern brook]

u can get to 3rd boss with 25 minutes left and still burn the key in a pug

[brittle owl]

ofc its true on tyr

[analog swift]

even then

[brittle owl]

first boss is a roadblock

for retards

[analog swift]

on fort I double pul lthe first two packs and lust

[fresh valley]

i don;t care what y'all say

KR with safeguard is a must

[analog swift]

we quickly know if people can handle kicks

[modern brook]

First boss is a heal check for retards

[brittle owl]

you always double pull those lol

[verbal river]

Trying to tank a mother lode at 385 and I die on almost every pull if there is more than 4 things in the pull. I can’t win 😦 I hope it was just the affixes cause learning tank in this week was fucked

[analog swift]

i lust on fort

[brittle owl]

regardless of week/spec/comp

[modern brook]

what level key @verbal river

[verbal river]

It was a 8+ motherlode

[modern brook]

nah u suck :^)

[brittle owl]

you get better mileage out of lust if you pull constructs in tbh

[sick sentinel]

What's ur shield ilvl?

[modern brook]

It'll be tight, but you should be able to tank that

tbh

[empty inlet]

+8 ml comes with a +8 healer as well

[fresh valley]

motherlode has a ton of magic damage, could have been whats killing you

[modern brook]

depending on healer competency you can probably be pushing 10s

[analog swift]

^^^^

[verbal river]

I just did a 10 motherlode it was the same haha

[analog swift]

and if you know the routes etc.

[verbal river]

But finished it in time

[modern brook]

Also worth noting

[verbal river]

Out of time*

[modern brook]

Momload is probably our worst dungeon

[brittle owl]

i did +10 at 372 👶

[empty inlet]

You can do 20+ keys as 405

[brittle owl]

second day aftebi dinged

so it shouldnt be an issue

[analog swift]

@modern brook really? I mean two last bosses sure

[modern brook]

Its between mom KR and Shrine

[analog swift]

but with double skip our TClap does so much damage

[sick sentinel]

Technical a lot of us did+10 arohnd 370-85 when 8.1 came out

[analog swift]

^^

[brittle owl]

true

ok i had neck lvl 18

[modern brook]

Without double skip, the whole dungeon is ass; with it, last 2 bosses are really hard without knowing the spec

[brittle owl]

beat that

3 traits 😂

[modern brook]

KR has the bleeds which are just really hard to deal with without gear

and Shrine is like 90% casting

[verbal river]

I’m 385 and have like 240k health it’s pretty trash

[analog swift]

yeah that's true

[brittle owl]

shrine is 100% dependant on group

[analog swift]

that's why we have 5 "kicks"

[sick sentinel]

But ur ilvl shield @verbal river

[modern brook]

Tyr Mom is probably the hardest dungeon to tank when new to warrior but not to keys IMO

[analog swift]

stun stun fear spell reflect interrupt

[brittle owl]

motherlode as well tbh

[modern brook]

last couple of bosses require really disciplined rage use

[sick sentinel]

Shrine and KR are what we call, the dungeon that keeps on giving

[analog swift]

i like shrine now because I figured out how to skip 4th reaping

[modern brook]

@analog swift shadow meld?

[sick sentinel]

I like shrine because I know I will never time it

[brittle owl]

nop

you kill stuff near the second boss

[modern brook]

issameme

[brittle owl]

and trigger it way across the bridge

then cloak

weird timing but works

[sick sentinel]

But does it slap?

Cause if it isn't slapping who cares

[analog swift]

@modern brook nah bridge death

[brittle owl]

you can sheoud it too, it has a weird window where you're out of combat

[analog swift]

basically kill all the bullshit in the first area, kill everything before the first boss (including the droplets to the side). Kill the windspeaker the pat there, the two big guys, shroud the 3 big guys and the runecarver, skip the ele. then pull everything but one pack of three before the third boss. pull the rest standard bullshit. kill one side of tentacles, kill boss, kll otherside tentacles jump off bridge

that fourth reaping 1) takes forever to get to you, 2) has lots of smashes

[modern brook]

Guys it was a meme 😠

[analog swift]

RIP

[brittle owl]

can i slap with a staff

[modern brook]

let me me me

[sick sentinel]

I will snap u in half

[brittle owl]

@ionic fern i made a fren

[analog swift]

i was like yo bull is dumb ima be smart watch out

[brittle owl]

i will mutiny against you

[sick sentinel]

Bull with his slapping memes

[fresh valley]

i think shrine is one of my favorite dungeons, it's legit challenging and with a good group it goes really well

makes you use your full toolkit

[brittle owl]

true

too bad its cancer if not

[fresh valley]

right

it's not pug friendly in the slightest

[ionic fern]

@brittle owl sup

[sand egret]

I hate Shrine with a burning passion, as it incentivizes skips.

[brittle owl]

👋

[sand egret]

(which I hate, on principle)

[brittle owl]

wdym

all dungeons incentivise skips

esp at relevant levels

[sand egret]

not equally

high ass hp minibosses

make for huge reaping timesinks

[brittle owl]

some are harder to do yeah(kr and temple)

but skipping minibosses in shrine isnt that hard

[sand egret]

you're missing the point entirely then

[ionic fern]

👏

[sick sentinel]

It's basically the fundamental flaws when blizzard decided to balance s dungeon on m+ and not being a Dungeons

[modern brook]

gotta disagree @sand egret the timer incentiveises skips, not the trash composition

The trash composition just dictates where

like unless they remove the timer (ie the point of m+) skips wont stop being a thing

period

[brittle owl]

meh, miniboss issue might be solved by huge increase to %

[sand egret]

not true

[brittle owl]

i get what you were saying now tho

[sand egret]

Bull

[fresh valley]

i read somewhere in the mass ejaculation of 8.2 info that blizz doesn't think we kill enough trash in dungeons, and i just thought... "WHAT?!"

[sick sentinel]

Regardless of what view u look at it, blizzard fucked up on too many aspects with dungeons this expac so far

[modern brook]

??

I dont think that at all

[fresh valley]

i like shrine because it is a design iteration on dungeons to make them challenging from start to finish

[modern brook]

the only dungeon i dislike is UR

because tantrum is fucking stupid

[fresh valley]

instead of "pull everything and aoe it down"

[brittle owl]

they just went the oposite direction from legion

[modern brook]

and a non-updating graveyard is stupid

[sick sentinel]

Having to have several nerfs, changes up until now does not tell me it was designed well

[brittle owl]

from focus on bosses to focus on trash

which is not fun in many peoples eyes

[fresh valley]

i HATE that UR and shrine don't have updated death spawn points (shrine is too far in)

[modern brook]

I mean Most of those nerfs were timer changes

[sick sentinel]

Not really

[fresh valley]

that is jus tway too punishing on already tight timers

[sick sentinel]

We only got 3? Changes to timer

KR,Shrine and TD

[sand egret]

@fresh valley I think what they intended in their comment is to get people to engage with trash in dungeons (instead of skipping it outright). Bypassing the puzzle entirely is a fundamental problem

[brittle owl]

td change was a joke tbh, rhey just needed to fix cannons

UR had an ok timer imo

[modern brook]

TD is a joke

[brittle owl]

kr was the only one that warranted the timer change

[modern brook]

i hate running it cause i dont know the super fast skip everything till cannons route

[brittle owl]

and shrine

[modern brook]

but that dungeon is so easy

[sick sentinel]

TD is easier now because of cannons but that extra 3 mins is great

[brittle owl]

underrot is entirely dictated by how efficient you clear second boss room

[modern brook]

UR Pugs just lose on tyr weeks

[sick sentinel]

UR can kiss my ass

[modern brook]

have never finished on on time

healers dont get tantrum

DPS dont get blood bolt

gg

[sick sentinel]

Just do what I di

[modern brook]

get ur 15 and never run it again?

[sand egret]

there's like 4 mobs too many in that 2nd boss room imho

[sick sentinel]

Kill 3rd boss then 2nd

[neon tangle]

@fresh valley @modern brook how are we talking about bad GY checkpointing and not talking about KR

[sand egret]

esp those fucking ffixate assholes

[fresh valley]

well KR is terribad

[sick sentinel]

Because KR has flight

[modern brook]

yeah ok

KR is a shit dungeon

[sand egret]

I love KR

one of my fav places in BFA, tbh

[sick sentinel]

So while the gravepoint is bad, it has at the end, and also flying

[neon tangle]

Shrine has the teleport, doesn’t make it decent

[sand egret]

but yeah lack of checkpoint in UR is fucking awful

[modern brook]

I really think KR gy update should be on 2nd boss, not 3rd

[neon tangle]

And you can mount in shrine

[fresh valley]

whynot just check point every boss

[sick sentinel]

The difference bewteen shrine and KR is that KR is much closer

[fresh valley]

and make that standard

instead of fucking guessing

[sick sentinel]

Ud lose about 5-10 traveling compared to the 10+

For a shrine

[modern brook]

I mean both shrine and KR are insta depletes if u wipe anyways

[sick sentinel]

(not talking about running back to where u died, but to get there)

Eh

On higher keys probably

[modern brook]

same could be said for any key of difficulty worth discussing

but like if u wipe on Freehold

theres like a 65% chance its actually a time save

[sick sentinel]

But KR ud be wiping either on 1st or 3rd or last bridgr

[neon tangle]

You can wipe in FH, ML, etc without a ton of punishment

[sick sentinel]

Certain dungeons are more gracefully about GYs

But also with their timer/boss

Because fuck the 2nd boss in ML on tryn

Its such a long fucking fight

[celest gate]

Screw 3rd boss

Magic damage

[strong forum]

3rd boss is monkaGiga

[sick sentinel]

At least it isn't an 18 year fight

[lucid bough]

https://imgur.com/a/ZFnoGRy

on my dh

LOL

fml

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[strong forum]

Unluck

[sick sentinel]

I need to do CoS

Is it easy?

[lucid bough]

ya

[sick sentinel]

Because I can only play for 30 minutes since I have a girlfriend and real life and only work for 4 hours 3* times a week

[brittle owl]

CoS is easy on heroic/normal

[sick sentinel]

If only there was something blizzard could do to cater to me

[brittle owl]

last boss you ignore outright one of the mechanics

[sick sentinel]

Like a peez dispenser for gear

[celest gate]

If you work 4 hours 3 times a week how do you not have time

[brittle owl]

yup

p much

[celest gate]

Or u a student

[sick sentinel]

It's dah joke

[brittle owl]

loot as fury/arms and bonus roll as prot on last boss btw

[modern brook]

#protection isnt on its meme game today

🤷

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, sal might see us

[modern brook]

Sal's on DND

[celest gate]

[sick sentinel]

Let's be real, all the mods know prot is just burnt ground when it comes to the memes and not staying in topic for 3 seconds

[fresh valley]

anyone not able to connect to bnet?

nvm

i see the auth is down till 11 cst

[modern brook]

Yeah i was thinking the same thing INR

[fresh valley]

i thought this was a discord for friends to chat about measuring epeens and yelling at plebs to look at pins

[celest gate]

So, leech is viable?

[modern brook]

@fresh valley I'll have u know we dont say here

[sick sentinel]

Yea

[modern brook]

We take screenshots of the guide cause its significantly more passive aggressive

[fresh valley]

lol

the montages are pretty great

[celest gate]

Who the person who just screenshots chat messages

[sick sentinel]

We say go look at lepans guide for m+ quality prot warrior

[modern brook]

its also not my fault Marok did too good of a job with the guide and noobs have shitty questions to pair with their illiteracy

@celest gate hi how are you :^)

[sick sentinel]

I also love it when people that are under 1.5k score give mplus advice :)))

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel thats me too :^)

[sick sentinel]

I was talking about you lmao

[modern brook]

:^)

in my defense my main is 1.6

[sick sentinel]

Watch out guys

[modern brook]

Kaege plz stop bullying me :^(

[sick sentinel]

we have a badass over here

[honest frigate]

We got a badass over here

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[celest gate]

M+ is a joke, anyone can get 4k

[sick sentinel]

@honest frigate 🤜

[ionic fern]

👀

[honest frigate]

[sick sentinel]

@celest gate in 7.3.5 ?

[celest gate]

4k damage

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel I also disclaimer all of my advice:

[sick sentinel]

Pls dont bully the bull

[modern brook]

Bullyfango ^(

[sick sentinel]

He's only 1.4k

[modern brook]

wait am i?

[sick sentinel]

U are now

[modern brook]

p sure my warrior is sub 1k

[sick sentinel]

Ayyyye

[modern brook]

I have not played it this season lol

[sick sentinel]

Sub 1k team is where it's at

[modern brook]

nvm im a god

[celest gate]

U can afk get higher

Wth

[modern brook]

I havent tanked this season 🤷

at least nothing serious

thats like 10-11 in everything to get guildies their keys for the week

[celest gate]

Do you raid?

[modern brook]

not on my war

did through AoTC on my main; stopped raiding cause its boring to me and i already got the az i needed

[celest gate]

Mythic first 4 are where the aze at

[modern brook]

yeeeee

[celest gate]

Some juicy traits

[modern brook]

TBH have not been enjoying warrior lately

[celest gate]

Hitting clap is fun

[modern brook]

I'm going to attribute it to not having a consistent group for it; so i get really fucking awkward teams that make keys less than fun

[sick sentinel]

^ same, been playing my feral ever since I got my 415's

[modern brook]

like this one >.>

[celest gate]

I never have a consistent rogue in my runs, makes shit awful

[sick sentinel]

This is why I bring pots

Because fuck the rest y'all gonna die if we need to skip

[celest gate]

Pote??

[sick sentinel]

Yeah potential

[celest gate]

Invis pots are nice, but shroud is better.

Also rogue damage is usually giga

I'm a meta slave since my keys usually go better if there's at least 2 melee dps for interrupts

[slim cosmos]

meta > playing what you enjoy

[modern brook]

TBH yeah

Most people arent good enough at their off meta class to play it correctly

[slim cosmos]

bring the class, not the player

[modern brook]

Or their off meta class requires everyone else to play around them

ie: Subt

[slim cosmos]

yeah, I've played with so many DHs I know what their toolkit is and how it's used in BFA dungeons

otoh, what can feral druids do? no fing clue

[celest gate]

Nothing really

[modern brook]

feral druids can trick u into taking them cause u thought they were chickens

[celest gate]

Lmao

[modern brook]

ezpz :^)

[celest gate]

If feral got treants

They'd be brought more

[fresh valley]

i get sad when i get tricked by dps druids

but not mean enough to kick

i have pity

they try their hardest

[celest gate]

Oof, I usually instantly remove

[fresh valley]

i mean, if its my key that i care about, i'm super selective

otherwise

you only need meta comps at like 20+

[celest gate]

Meta comps cushion poor gameplay

[fresh valley]

i timed a 19 UR with ret pally s priest rogue

or if you're trying to 2 key shit

i'm just trying to 1 key

[celest gate]

This week will be free af

[fresh valley]

MONGO PULLS BOYZ

[modern brook]

how u gunna take a rogue and they say ur comp isnt meta

I've lived the off meta life dude

8.0 - Protwarrior / Disc/ Fire / Enhance /hunter

[celest gate]

Real talk, how do you do 1st boss ur with ranged CD kicks

[fresh valley]

most of my keys are with an h priest

[modern brook]

@celest gate u fucking dont

😠

[celest gate]

D:

What in toxic

[modern brook]

:^(

Alternative answer is SR

SR and asking for externals as a prot warrior

[celest gate]

You sr the add

And instant kill it essentially

[modern brook]

🤷 u asked how you do it with ranged kicks man

the answer is very poorly

[celest gate]

I had triplenmelee they still didnt kick boss

:(

[modern brook]

:^(

rest in blood bolt

[celest gate]

90%~ health pool gone

Forever dead

[sick sentinel]

Just dont die 8head

[celest gate]

Does anyone always kick first add cast then sr 2nd

Or are they sr 1st bolt cast

[sick sentinel]

Depend on my comp it can be either or

If I have a range kick, I kick first

[fresh valley]

i make sure i SR 2 sec before pull

SR first cast interupt second

[sick sentinel]

Then wait .5 before I SR

Since I have had it happen where a dh or range kick with my SR up

Wasting a CD and damage

[modern brook]

@celest gate U usually kick first add cast and SR 2nd because it follows threat table and its very likely first add cast is on your healer, not you

so the first kick is a buffer just to be safe

[celest gate]

Yeah that's what I was doing to be safe bull

My assigned mongoloid dps missed first add kick ;(

[modern brook]

loid DPS ruining keys, once again

[celest gate]

Wait, I should assign it to me

Since it's my death

Fuck me

[sick sentinel]

In the end, not matter what

[sand egret]

but, it was worth. Prob pulled an extra 1k dps on that boss by not kicking. Duh.

[sick sentinel]

It is always ur fault

[sand egret]

Also true

[celest gate]

[sick sentinel]

I mean after all u can heal

So just healself with IV, IP or Last Stand

[sand egret]

what people don't realize is that if you look VERY closely at you can see a lone tear in its eye

[sick sentinel]

Also use leech u tryhard

[sand egret]

that is the true Prot feels

[celest gate]

I haven't gotten a single piece of leech gear

[sand egret]

#blessed

[sick sentinel]

Then ur trash and ur a try hard

For not using leech

[celest gate]

I've done quite a few keys ;-;

[sand egret]

I'm all speed

[sick sentinel]

Ok gonk gang

[modern brook]

If you have 2 melee kicks, tank kick, and a ranged kick

Range kick gets Add in UR1st boss

3 melee kicks should be more than enough for every blood bolt on boss

[celest gate]

Relying on other people

[modern brook]

if ur range cant kick an add, kick him

[celest gate]

Smh

[modern brook]

🤷

[celest gate]

I'm just self assigning nown

For that guarantee

[modern brook]

🤷

/cast [@focus] Counterspell

[celest gate]

Ew

[sand egret]

more like Win Shear

[celest gate]

Real talk, is that poor game design to require a short interrupt CD

For a boss

[sand egret]

not really

cds have varying cds for this very reason

err interrupts

[celest gate]

So bring the class

[sand egret]

bring the type, kinda

[celest gate]

Melee or shaman

[modern brook]

I once read in a non-ironic reddit post IDG why some abilities need to be kicked, and others need to be stunned, this inconsistency is just one of the few examples of horrible game design by blizzard

300 upvotes

paraphrased, but thats the jist

[sand egret]

jfc

armchair "designers" are infuriating

[celest gate]

I think mobs recasting if stunned and others not is super inconsistent

[sweet kettle]

cause they want some abilities to not be able to be stopped and actually do something

[modern brook]

I figured u'd appreciate it blade

[sick sentinel]

Here's the problem u can be an arm chair designer, but at least know wtf ur talking about

[sweet kettle]

nobody liked the mass grip cc chain in legion

[sand egret]

the issue with arm chair designers is that unless you've actually designed AND implemented something, you really don't understand how complex it really can be

/endrant

[celest gate]

The one that really stands out to me is wicked frenzy in ur

[modern brook]

@sand egret ur forgetting that acd's have shit ideas in the first place

[sick sentinel]

Listen man

Just bring back lich King and more zombie dragons

Also make AV un-endable

[modern brook]

I unironically think sylvanas is the best warcheif since thrall 🤷

bring on the hate

[sick sentinel]

If it isn't saurfang or rexxar fuck all of them

Fuck thrall and fuck voljin I want that man for warchief

[modern brook]

more like sourpuss

as a proud orc; sarufangs being a big emo baby

[sick sentinel]

Let's be real

[sand egret]

@celest gate so stuns vs interrupts are fundamentally different (outside of the lasting effects obv) is that one stalls the priority queue while the other bypasses parts of it.

[sick sentinel]

He's not really motivated to play arms spec atm

He's waiting for a buff

[modern brook]

Respectable

[sand egret]

it's how you leverage the strength of one vs the other

[modern brook]

I'm waiting for the dark ranger hero class 👀

[sick sentinel]

Im waiting for the necromancer class

So unholy can learn the pain of warlocks

[sturdy sable]

I'm waiting for them to finish demon hunters

[sick sentinel]

Damn

LOL

[modern brook]

OOF

Honestly 8.2 demon hunter looks dope as hell

cause u can be in meta like ~70% of the time

[sturdy sable]

Yeah that looks dope

Veng is scuffed tho

[modern brook]

Havoc* not vengeance, vengeance still a fake spec

doesnt exist

[sick sentinel]

Oof

[sand egret]

i'd highly expect a Soul Cleave bump in the next few weeks btw

jus' sayin'

[sick sentinel]

That was kinda what they did

Kinda

[sand egret]

noo

i mean

[modern brook]

I dont want number changes though I want the class to be like

a thing

[sand egret]

actually hitting the knob

[modern brook]

nvm

[sturdy sable]

They "buffed" meta

On the ptr

[modern brook]

Last time we got into this ppl checked my io to call me out for being bad :^(

[sand egret]

very important to realize how a team balances a PTR

[sick sentinel]

U don't need to fix or finish a class when its over buffed

[sand egret]

first you start with baselines

then you start with with casing abilities

see how that settlies

[sick sentinel]

And then u release it live

[modern brook]

I think the issues with Vdh are deper than numbers Fracture and SB are talents that are bis in every situation, and just replace the builder and spender respectively

[sand egret]

then you hit more core knobs once you know how those other tunings played out

[modern brook]

which is just dumb

[sand egret]

Example: Look how Prot was tuned in 8.0-8.1

Baseline buffs to Vanguard

[sick sentinel]

Prot biggest changes were blocking actually blocking and IP

[sand egret]

then SB

THEN IP

[sick sentinel]

But let's be real

who gives a fuck about ip

[modern brook]

PPL in arguments

[sand egret]

you don't start by throwing out the baby with bath water

[sick sentinel]

I can block shit now

[modern brook]

Oh dang

[sand egret]

cuz then you have shit data to work with

[sick sentinel]

So the ptr then

Cause how often does this always happen

[sand egret]

if you dump all the changes at once, by turning all the knobs, you don't get to see relational development with the impact of each change

[modern brook]

I get what you're saying blade; im just saying like prot was in an ok spot in 8.0 those small changes did a lot for us when combined with our scaling

[sand egret]

so TLDR: next up is most likely SC

[modern brook]

VDH is not in a good spot

these small changes dont mean much to me on that scale

[celest gate]

DH is God

[sand egret]

numerically I actually disagree

I think there's a few knobs, big knobs, they can hit

[modern brook]

I'll defer to your experience

[sand egret]

which they're trying now

[modern brook]

but my expereince with VDHs have never been positive both playing as and along side

in BFA*

I enjoyed VDH in legion

[sick sentinel]

Ping me when Methuselah responds to my ping btw

If he doesn't

[modern brook]

he did

[sand egret]

He did a while ago I thikn

[celest gate]

VDH is frustrating in hallways when you auto eat souls you wanted for bomb

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel

I dont think ive ever had auto collection issues with VDH

[sand egret]

yeah, it's part of the Pain-has-no-value-comparative-to-souls problem

[celest gate]

Have you ever done the sewer section in tol

[modern brook]

though maybe i do and just attribute it to soul generation mistakes

[sick sentinel]

Oh

Nice

[modern brook]

No i play good classes :^)

[celest gate]

;(

[sand egret]

Hard to go to Prot, which has like wonderful value in their resources

[sick sentinel]

Oh btw

[sand egret]

you're just like...."wow this bar means something"

[sick sentinel]

Hunter bonus rolled uuna trinket

The tank one

And he couldn't trade because it was bonus roll

F

[modern brook]

Yeah its on rogue loot table too

[sick sentinel]

This tank trinket?
Sike bitch

Use mastery since y'all motherfuckers love dps so much for m+

[sand egret]

damn, everyone is getting that trinket...

[celest gate]

Are servers not up yet

[modern brook]

i believe they're still down

[sick sentinel]

I feel like blizzard is going to make a fuck hard season affix because of teeming

[celest gate]

Lies I am on

How could u do this bull

[modern brook]

in my defense

they went up 3 minutes ago

[sand egret]

I'd be in favor of a hard season affix, tbh

depends on what they do to make it "hard"

[modern brook]

i mean we're going to get the WoW equivalent of Gravelord Servants

thats my call

[empty inlet]

got a shrine key

😦

[sand egret]

i'm not familiar with that Bull

[north coral]

infested was "hard" and it pretty much killed mythic+ for everyone i know so..

[sand egret]

oooh the DS mob?

[slim cosmos]

qq, which slot is better to roll at the TR vendor, head or shoulders? looking for 3xBOM ideally

[modern brook]

@sand egret in Dark Souls 1; you could be cursed by ppl in the grave lord covenant.

yeah