protection

[sick sentinel]

it was never bis

but it's really good

I still use eng helm for both of my specs

[inner bear]

oh :< so dc/bom helmet would be better, ye?

[sick sentinel]

no nesseseraly a DC/BoM

but a BoM helm for sure

you want only 1 DC anyway

[inner bear]

mh.. okay.. should have payed more attention when i read this question here like 5 times.. oopsie

the spreadsheet is not in the pins anymore.. so i´d go for 3 BoM, 1 DC?

[sick sentinel]

do not get me wrong, the helmet is still extremely good

the spreadsheet you are talking about is probably #268491842637660160

[inner bear]

thanks a lot 😃

[ornate grail]

guys, I've got the choice between Blooded Siphon and Elemental whirl, would i take siphon?

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[ornate grail]

I also have a piece with Overwhelming power, but my brain said "you're literally taking damage, the stacks will drop like a sack of shit"

[sick sentinel]

they will not

because it has a 1 sec internal cd

so you can only drop 1 stack per sec from damage

[ornate grail]

ahh ok

cheers

[verbal river]

am i supposed to use 3 deafening crash, or is it just good to have 1

[sick sentinel]

just use 1

[verbal river]

the one thing im struggling to work out is prot azerite traits, cause it seems so blurred because theres alot of good ones

[ionic fern]

You can stack DC but it's just a dps increase after the first one in aoe.

[manic eagle]

^

[sick sentinel]

you can

but that does not mean you should

[ionic fern]

Also doesn't mean you shouldn't.

It's just a preference and both sides should be presented.

[manic eagle]

I personally never find defense to be an issue and use Azerite, trinkets and stats to increase dps rather than making me more tanky ^^

[sick sentinel]

I would rather run treacherous covenant over a second or third dc

it's more dps anyway

and gives some surv as well

[ionic fern]

Again..depends on the situation you're in and the people you play with.

[manic eagle]

When discussing choices its good to clarify your goal I think

[ionic fern]

In raids i'd take a TC over a 2nd Dc as well but in m+ with my own team i'd take a 2nd dc.

[sick sentinel]

you can also take other choices like metriculous scheeming

for a dps increase

over second DC

[manic eagle]

I currently run 2x DC, 1x Covenant and 3x Bom because its the best combination I have available. In raids I obivously want something like 2nd Covenant or Tidal Surge instead of 2nd DC but what can you do.

[sick sentinel]

in raids you would rather run reckless flurry

[manic eagle]

Yup, tbh I am a little lazy to swap sets between the bosses 😂

[arctic sedge]

so a mythic 10 wasnt that difficult

[sick sentinel]

next step

all mythic 10s

[arctic sedge]

lmfao yeah thats gonna be a challenge

[sick sentinel]

just keep on it fam

[primal sable]

mythic 10s arent hard

you just need to stop being afraid of them

[arctic sedge]

and get accepted into groups

[primal sable]

youre having a hard time as prot?

what nightmare is this

[arctic sedge]

nah i aint

getting a good understanding of it again

[verbal river]

So im learning the class and tanking, any suggestions for traits? i only have the first ring, currently running 2x DC 1X IRONF Could change that to bloodsport

[sick sentinel]

you only want one dc

then you want to get 3xBoM for mplus

[verbal river]

whats bom

[sick sentinel]

Bastion of Might

you should read the icy veins guide in #268491842637660160

[junior ivy]

hi

anyone wanna play a game with me

[sick sentinel]

do you have terraria?

[junior ivy]

i do but played like once lol

didnt really liek it

[sick sentinel]

oh :((

[junior ivy]

its like a 2d minecraft right?

[sick sentinel]

more emphasis on boss killing

and gear

[junior ivy]

when i played it i was like"why dont i just play real minecraft instead"

and turned itr off

[sick sentinel]

no it's like

completely different

minecraft focuses on mining and building whereas terraria focus and killing stuff

you have classes as well

swords spells guns pets etc

I play with Weep a lot

[inner bear]

sounds more fun than it felt when i played it for like 10 minutes without a clue what i´m doing x)

[sick sentinel]

it is fun

especially when it is a shit week for mplus on wow

or your healer is offline

[hollow epoch]

@neon tangle sounds to me you need to get on a diet xD

[junior ivy]

now i wanna play minecraft

[umbral forge]

Heading home from the guild meet Kaege.
I think I'll leave the Guild soon

[spice ferry]

Yikes goes to a guild meet then wants to leave

[junior ivy]

i need a guild 😦

[umbral forge]

Long story short I don't want to be stuck raiding Heroic with people 5000/6000 Friendly with Magni

[silk mortar]

Should be illegal

Seize him

[hollow root]

Far outttt, one second more on my key and we would've overtimed it

dps were retards in that dungeon

[fervent harness]

would i be better off taking an IF that pushes me over the block softcap or a bloodsport for m+?

[umbral forge]

The block softcap?

What?

[primal sable]

read the pins

no such thing

[sick sentinel]

there is no block softcap

and bloodsport is garbage

[fervent harness]

cool

thats new

[sick sentinel]

no that is not new, that has been the case since the start of the expansion

you can use Bloodsport in raids I guess

[fervent harness]

yeah yeah, its new info for people who dont run the maths and read that there was a soft cap

[sick sentinel]

well the only person to my knowledge that was talking about a softcap is lepan and he has no idea what he is doing so 🤷

[umbral forge]

@fervent harness where on earth did you read about a block softcap

[sick sentinel]

he read about it on the wowhead guide written by lepan

[fervent harness]

lepan's m+ guide, this is my 4th character so i dont keep up with it extensively

[graceful cobalt]

hi is there a weakaura for spell reflection?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, have you checked #268491842637660160

before asking virtually any question

or checked the pins?

[primal sable]

am i the only one who gets anxiety whenever i wanna ask a question

i double and triple read everything in resources just to make sure

[graceful cobalt]

yes i have checkt but the pin here is removed and that what i found the page give me an error

[sick sentinel]

https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

[primal sable]

weakaura link and spreadsheet link both work fine for me

[junior ivy]

i made some soup today

[graceful cobalt]

thx

[primal sable]

what kinda soup

[sick sentinel]

cat post pic in offtopic

[junior ivy]

its this kinda thai peanut noodle chicken soup i dunno

but my mom made it once

and it was sooo good

[honest canopy]

Idk what to do

[sick sentinel]

??

[honest canopy]

Wanna play prot.

Only allwoed fury in raids 😪

Miss prot life

[sick sentinel]

pull a @daring marlin

join as fury

overtake them from inside

and end up tanking\

[honest canopy]

What I am doing.

Might swap specc and gear during pulltimer

Spam TC 💞

[umbral forge]

@honest canopy you guys recruiting?

[honest canopy]

We are... Kinda.

NO fury tho plz i dont wanna be benched 😂

[umbral forge]

Whatcha need?

[honest canopy]

Think we very much could use another warlock or shadow priset.

[oblique garnet]

nikkj just take that tanks spot

[honest canopy]

But not really sure. Thing is we are debating If we should start extend or not.
For some reasons we 1shot all except Opulence wich wastes 2 of our 6 hours.

Then we smash rasta

So we dont get time on mekka

[umbral forge]

...sigh

Hai. Give me 2 weeks

[honest canopy]

PandaWarrior needs gear tho. So i am against. In 3 weeks i have gotten 2 items from bosses. Wich has been bonusrolls from 1st and 2cond

The same week.

I am experienced tho ya know, beeing in LR, Nihilum. KLR and Essence. I know what extending does with ppl.

[oblique garnet]

🤔 it takes a day to get to 400ilvl

[honest canopy]

If we extend one week done kill mekka, wich is likely

Yeah i am like 405 but was w/o traits

Dont complaining worked Hard so its alrite now. Just very behind on ilvl and no Bis wpns/trinkets. Anyway

[sick sentinel]

IT DOES NOT LATE

[honest canopy]

And it stakes more then a Day to get 400 ilvl eq

Prob 5 😂

Il tank when some tank is afk. Some ppl even have stsrted ro make jokes of me not tanking ("Finally got a good tank and you make him play fury") but i am just hsppy to rsid and dont complain. Il get my chanses sooner or later.

Gg spelling.

[umbral forge]

@oblique garnet lol my Priest is 402 but I'm rusty still and my HoA on her is just 36. I need 2 weeks to get 12 levels heart.

[oblique garnet]

wtf

it takes like 3 days to go from 10-40

[umbral forge]

When you're not stranded in Sweden sure

[daring marlin]

@sick sentinel For your information I joined Skyhold as Arms. My first post in this discord was in Arms in Legion!

I’ve always been an arms/prot boi.

[sick sentinel]

mine was fury in legion

[daring marlin]

I picked up Fury in Uldir cuz the playstyle is fun tho

[sick sentinel]

actually I played both

[umbral forge]

I was Arms from 2004 till 2018 then I went prot.

[daring marlin]

fuck asserite tho

[umbral forge]

Then fury OS

[honest canopy]

I want to play arms. Not allwoed to 😂

Well, id say If I have to dps atleast let me play arms

Got a link sent with logs.

Rip

[sick sentinel]

arms is so borring

[honest canopy]

😂

I like it!

[sick sentinel]

fair

[primal sable]

arms is pretty fun yea

[honest canopy]

Well, i dont think its superfun but i like how its low on The apm and a bit different to all others

[sick sentinel]

Did you know if you catch a rogue out of stealth wearing red gloves that they were caught red-handed?

...

Thank you
Thank you

I'll be here all day

Here's another one

please don't

Did you know if you light a druid on fire while in tree form that means their pants are on fire

their parts are on fire*

[rose moat]

For jaina mythic progress what would be stronger Prot warr or Brewmaster monk?

We starting progress today

[sick sentinel]

both are really strong, I would suggest one of each

[rose moat]

Basically everything goes into IP then right?

[sick sentinel]

my guild has found more success with double prot though

no, warriors can block her ice shards

[rose moat]

oh wow

Ez lifew

[sick sentinel]

if the warrior is good, you are in a very good spot

[rose moat]

Nice thanks for the info!

[hardy vault]

hey guys how good is meticulous scheming on prot? getting 849 haste for 20secs looks nice

[sick sentinel]

it was buffed

and it is very good

[hardy vault]

thanks for the quick answer!

[sick sentinel]

I feel come 8.2 MS might replace BoM

[burnt fossil]

really

[sick sentinel]

Only in the sense that BoM was really strong for aoeing which this season is all about

And with talks about removing a few affixs and the view of making dungeons for the dungeon and not m+, who knows

It might not but even then it could be a contender

[burnt fossil]

haste would help defensively, yeah?

[sick sentinel]

Both defense and offense

It reduces TC cd for example

[burnt fossil]

one of my healers was commenting last night that i was a lot harder to heal than my monk cotank

[sick sentinel]

If u have a log we can check it out

Might not be properly maintaining good uptime on SB/Demo shout

[burnt fossil]

hm, not sure if were logging those fights

[sick sentinel]

Its going to be hard to say then, cause I can say its poorer uptime when it might not be

[burnt fossil]

at the same time we had the other tank die for 1.5m on conclave and they kept me alive with both bosses

[sick sentinel]

Yeah if thats the case, of course its going to harder for your healer

[burnt fossil]

i think i'm just having trouble dealing with excess magic damage

[sick sentinel]

Oh nevermind

Yeah that is a weakness we have

Dots and Magic

Magic can be dealth with IPs/Demo Shouts/Shield Wall

But even then

[burnt fossil]

mekka and jadefire

[sick sentinel]

Mhm

With JFM u have to pool ur rage before switching to mage since blocking is rather pointless with him

IMO its not worth casting SB even for the extra SS damage

[burnt fossil]

yeah i generally let my SB recharge during that time

can you reflect the fireballs?

[sick sentinel]

yes

Also use Last stand as a "Heal"

I would suggest to reflect the first and the last fireball or something

[strong forum]

Don't forget to spellreflect

And interrupt pyroblast late

[sick sentinel]

Doesnt SR the fireball put the stack on him and still hit everyrone once it ends?

[burnt fossil]

def

last stand saved my ass so many times

[strong forum]

No, that's been fixed months ago nerdrage

[sick sentinel]

ah ok

Well i guess I should SR too then lol

[strong forum]

Krk

Kek*

You can also SR the Auto attacks from phoenix

It's the same thing

[burnt fossil]

wat

so use SR as much as possible eh

[strong forum]

Yes, phoenix does 100% magic dmg

So it's not worth using block either

You just get chunked for 50k everytime so better reflect one of them and pray your healers spam heal you

Ontop of using healthstone / last stand / shield wall

And just keep on praying

[burnt fossil]

yeah that last part is rough

[sick sentinel]

By the time Phoniex comes anyways, he should be at 25-30% hp

[strong forum]

Still have to tank him for 2 rounds~ish

Aka 8 hits each round

[sick sentinel]

Oh yeah for sure but 95% of the time if u get to that part and ur progging him, its a win

the other 5% is SUPRISE MOTHERFUCKER
BOMBS

[strong forum]

Ye, still one of my least favourite fights cuz of the heavy tank dmg...

[sick sentinel]

Even on Heroic I hated that Boss

[strong forum]

Heroic was beyond piss easy

I killed mythic before heroic tbh

[sick sentinel]

We cleared Heroic fully first before Mythic progg

[strong forum]

I didn't get to cuz I was on vacation that time, and I never bothered with heroic

Cleared once on warri, and done with it

[burnt fossil]

haha

my guild isnt that good, we're still on heroic

[strong forum]

Oof

[sick sentinel]

Its all about chipping away at it

I used to mainly heroic tank until BFA when I was like hmmmmmm

Am I holding myself back by not tanking mythics

[strong forum]

It's my first expansion since wrath where I'm raiding, and Im disgusted by how easy it is tbh

And yet my guild is still reprogging mekka every week cuz they're braindead

[sick sentinel]

Mythic?

[strong forum]

Ye

[sick sentinel]

Listen man

I refuse to get in the robot

[strong forum]

.

[burnt fossil]

lol

[sick sentinel]

If shinji refused, so can I

Fuck the robot

[strong forum]

So you're brain dead aswell, I see

[burnt fossil]

whats wrong with getting in the robot

[sick sentinel]

I CANT PAD MY METERS

[strong forum]

But what I'm even more disgusted with is having 80 pulls on stormwall and only being at 29%

[sick sentinel]

Even IF I HAVE A DEBUFF THAT REDUCES MY DAMAGE by 99%

[strong forum]

You realize you deal 0 dmg if youre

Ye.

[sick sentinel]

But my damage man

How can I pad

[strong forum]

Fuck logs

[sick sentinel]

lol

"Ok everyone, when we have smal people and are teleported during intermisson, DONT MOVE UNTIL THE SMALL ONES DO"

[strong forum]

Logs are retarded cuz people are willingly playing worse mechanically to look better on logs

And thus hindering progress

If its reclear sure go ahead, but if you're struggling I better see you do your shit

[sick sentinel]

Listen man, my VERY LEGIT AND NOT CHEESED 100 PARSES COULD NOT BE HAD IF I DONT PAD

ESP ON PROG

[strong forum]

ESPECIALLY ON PATCHDAY

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[strong forum]

Where the 100s are totally legit

[sick sentinel]

Parsing should not be allowed if its with a guild group when its being logged

Parsing should only come from PuGs

Cause why the fuck do I care about my main teams Purple parses for

[strong forum]

So nobody would have logs

Relevant logs

[sick sentinel]

Useful logs u might say]

[burnt fossil]

parses hardly matter anyway

[sick sentinel]

It does and doesn't

[undone sun]

Logs aren't the problem, people are the problem

Ez

[strong forum]

The crazy padding is only on 99-100s

[burnt fossil]

yeah

i guess to if you're learning how to get better

[strong forum]

You can still gets close to 99s or 98s with just playing good

100s is the only pad territory

[sick sentinel]

I gotta get that 100 tho

[strong forum]

Pah

It just means you cheesed the best

[sick sentinel]

Problem is people go with that trying to 100 from the start

Like my guy, this is normal

WHO THE FUCK CARES

[oblique garnet]

aint nothing wrong with going for 100s if youre not dying

:^)

[strong forum]

As long as I'm purple I'm fine

My overall is 92 for mythic and 99 for heroic

[sick sentinel]

As long as we can kill and reclear idgaf

[strong forum]

So w/e

[burnt fossil]

as a tank?

or

[sick sentinel]

As anything

[strong forum]

I don't play dps

[sick sentinel]

Also some specs/classes dont get a lot of play in raids

I play feral, HEY GUESS HOW MANY OF US EXIST

Free fucking parses from just using moonfire and thats it

[strong forum]

Or sub rogue

[sick sentinel]

^

[strong forum]

There's 700 parses of sub rogue TOTAL

[burnt fossil]

damn

[strong forum]

Even arms has more parses

[burnt fossil]

thats too bad, sub is fun

[sick sentinel]

Ur right it is fun

Is it strong/Good?

Apparently not based on the 700 with people playing rogue incorrectly if you asked some people

And thats just 700 that were logged, how many guilds don't log or even know how to

[burnt fossil]

idk what my parses usually are as a tank

i do more dps than some of our dps (we have some carries) and i generally stay alive

[oblique garnet]

Feral is actually good tho

Sub isnt

[sick sentinel]

feral is good st

AoE as well but compared to DH/Outlaw, we are behind

Boomkin is just really strong with ST but get fucked with AoE

Fat lumbering chickenwings

[burnt fossil]

wait, boom sucks at aoe?

thats new

[sick sentinel]

They need ramp up

Compared to feral we dont

[wanton trout]

how much minimum haste should I keep?

[sick sentinel]

There is none, keeping going

all the haste

[pastel holly]

Sub is also quite ok, a margin behind Sin in St and 3rd best ST-Meele. It just has nothing to do in cleave situation nor do the BoD fights suit Subs toolkit all that good.

[wanton trout]

Well, with out into the fray.. how much should I have naturally?

[pastel holly]

thats why its bad

[surreal stump]

Qaletaqa there is no "cap"

[wanton trout]

I am at like 16%

[sick sentinel]

Depends on ur gear @wanton trout

[surreal stump]

but whatever feels good to you is ok id suppose

[sick sentinel]

I'mma send you a wall, sec

[undone sun]

There's no amount that you should have

[sick sentinel]

come back after you read that

@pastel holly a lot of specs perform well, but if they aren't god tier strong they might as well not exist unfortunately

[oblique garnet]

kage

send me the wall of text

i need tips

n tricks

[sick sentinel]

LOL

[umbral forge]

Send me too

[sick sentinel]

Yeah he needs to learn how to leech better

right @lusty grotto

[oblique garnet]

im at 19% leech

[umbral forge]

Does it include race changing to Nightborne? @sick sentinel

[burnt fossil]

19??

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

yes

No less, no more

[oblique garnet]

but im dropping 55 ilevels for that XD

[sick sentinel]

Jesus fucking lord

[undone sun]

several people are typing

[sick sentinel]

Thyme wants to die

Prot wants to die

Hold on

How good is leech on prot paly?

[oblique garnet]

no

[sick sentinel]

Oh yeah

Wait wait wait

[undone sun]

No

[sick sentinel]

What if

to get rid of healers
you have all dps get leech gear

[undone sun]

How do I delete your post...

[sick sentinel]

Lol

Green Jesus may be coming back in 8.2 but he aint here yet

[oblique garnet]

Thyme you have no power here

[undone sun]

😡

[strong forum]

Oh how the mighty have fallen

[oblique garnet]

Im gonna start a church of leech

3x BS + Leech while dropping 50 ilvls

New meta

[burnt fossil]

lol

make leech great again

[undone sun]

At least get leech on every piece of gear

Regardless of ilevrl

[sick sentinel]

Everytime Thyme sees us go off topic or talk about leech knowing damn well he cant do anything

[oblique garnet]

i have thyme

[undone sun]

Oh boy

Nah idc nearly as much about off topic

[oblique garnet]

and siphoning

[undone sun]

It's inevitable

[burnt fossil]

are we prepping for mage tower again

[sick sentinel]

God I wish

MAYBE 8.4 MT BOYS

GET A NEW NECKLACE APPEREANCE

[oblique garnet]

i mean warrior players have to be bit hyperactive so cant expect them to focus

[undone sun]

I would come back for that

[sick sentinel]

As always

[oblique garnet]

ok new goal

get 50 neck on my druid

[sick sentinel]

Warriors have the intelligence that comes after 3

[undone sun]

5?

[sick sentinel]

Is 5 a good number to kill with

Because thats all we understand, hitting things to death

Nothing complex

[umbral forge]

I don't even know what I have bound to 5. That's embarrassing.

Hmm

[sick sentinel]

victory rush for me

[umbral forge]

1 = health pot
2 = fishing pole
3 = Shield Block
4 = Heroic Leap
5 = ????

[oblique garnet]

Ok vois pray for me that jaina dies tonight

[umbral forge]

I will

[sick sentinel]

die?

[burnt fossil]

thoughts and prayers

[undone sun]

VR is 4
Heroic throw is 5, just to fill bars

[oblique garnet]

Bench is getting boring

[sick sentinel]

heroic throw is F3 👀

[umbral forge]

VICTORY RUSH!

[oblique garnet]

Heroic throw is T

[umbral forge]

I have VR on 5!

[sick sentinel]

T is leap

[oblique garnet]

Leap is mouse4

[burnt fossil]

5 is leap

[undone sun]

It's also on Q as a mouse over @oblique garnet

[oblique garnet]

No thats taunt thyme

[undone sun]

This is, at least from the last screenshot I can find of my UI without being home

[umbral forge]

Q is engineering

[undone sun]

Taunt is x

Ip is z

[umbral forge]

IP is CTR + SHIFT R

[undone sun]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

LUL

[burnt fossil]

i type it out

/cast ignore pain

[sick sentinel]

oh no

Idk whats worse that or clicking

[burnt fossil]

lol

[umbral forge]

...ctr shift R is really good ok. Shift R is devastate so I just add a CTR

[oblique garnet]

If your binds arent like this are you even trying

[sick sentinel]

But why you got so much uselessness there tho Kaege

[undone sun]

^

[sick sentinel]

like what?

[burnt fossil]

what is B4

[sick sentinel]

U GOT TWO INTERCEPTS MY GUY

one of them is intercept and the other is intecept the target of my target

[undone sun]

This was my old UI, around TOS-ish. Changed it a bit in abt https://wago.io/HkLQ8sQEb#pid=1

[sick sentinel]

I got a mouse with 6 buttons on the side

[sick sentinel]

I got the naga mouse epic razor super whatever the fuck its called

[burnt fossil]

im a pleb

[oblique garnet]

What kills me about kages ui is that everything is scattered

[sick sentinel]

^

It's easier for me to see

Thats fine, but why

I can see cds with the corner of my eye without losing focus if they are like that

if I look at a solid block of spells, I get lost

[full spruce]

I mouse wheel between 2 panels. Been doing that since vanilla

[sick sentinel]

and then I need weakauras to look at CDs

[burnt fossil]

you dont use weakaurs?

auras

[sick sentinel]

I use weakauras

[undone sun]

Default ui's 🤢

[oblique garnet]

🤢

[sick sentinel]

@full spruce so you are scrolling like crazy the whole fight?

[burnt fossil]

no u

[full spruce]

Only mouse wheel when using defensive

[oblique garnet]

Jesus christ why

[full spruce]

I did it on shaman that way for totems during high warlord grind and it’s muscle memory

[sick sentinel]

wanna see my WAs as well? :C

Better example

[oblique garnet]

Somehow thats even worse

[sick sentinel]

yeah I find INR's UI completely unusable

I used to play with my bars turned off

But then GCD

So I made it small enough that It doesn't bother me

[full spruce]

But kaege only scroll wheeling for a defensive. How I have all 6 tanks setup so all buttons are pretty much the same type of ability. This way I don’t need shift modifiers.

[sick sentinel]

replace knot with whatever on use trinket I am using at the time

the bar with the blue is my IP btw

[oblique garnet]

Scuffed

[sick sentinel]

blue is how much time it has remaining and the black bar is the IP amount

Or be me

And be big dick and dont use WA

basically bar-i-fied maroks wa

cause u aint no punk

[strong forum]

Imagine not having only numerical IP inside your HP bar

[sick sentinel]

it has a number

[strong forum]

Ye but what do you need the duration for, quite pointless

Only have the number

[sick sentinel]

lemme cast IP once

and show yuo

[strong forum]

9/10 it won't run out

[sick sentinel]

thing is

it does

[strong forum]

Ye but typically it doesn't run out

[strong forum]

And even then its not a huge loss

I like my IP only being a number, no icon, no bar no nothing

[sick sentinel]

yellow if you overcap, white if you won't and red if it's capped

[strong forum]

Ye the one from marok

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[strong forum]

I'm using same, just hiding the icon

[sick sentinel]

thing is

the number I care about

is the %

and the colour

not the actual amount

[strong forum]

Eh I know my cap

47k is normal cast, 70k with procs

Everything else is pretty whatever

[sick sentinel]

Hmm

I fixed my screen a little more

Even more space

tbh I tried what INR did

it gives optimal view

but GCD :C

Its why i use MSBT

also my frames are near the middle so I get to see when my SB is about to end

But also I used the default Blizzard buff since my unitframe addon doesnt let me cancel buffs, etc.

I just wish I could remove quests from the side

Then it would be perfect

But yeah kaege is right

It gives optimal view, of toes

Asses*

👡 s

lol

[strong forum]

You can hide quest tracker in elvui :^)

[nova delta]

Hello, is there a cap for haste in tank or when a part of stuff have more haste than I have should I use it ?

[sick sentinel]

Fuck that

[strong forum]

I'm using fragnance ui but heavily edited to my taste

[undone sun]

No @nova delta

[sick sentinel]

Id rather FUCKING DIE than touch that pos addon

[strong forum]

Fragnance is bae

What do you meaaan

[sick sentinel]

Fuck elvui

[strong forum]

Oh

Na

It's best thing that ever happened to me apart from wa itself

So cleaaan

[sick sentinel]

i stay far from elv from all the issues and problems people around me have had with it

[strong forum]

0 here

Ama

[sick sentinel]

idk i dont use it

[undone sun]

I've had a marginal amount of issues

[opal vector]

It was proper shit when nameplates changed, but they’ve fixed it now I quite like them

[strong forum]

I use plater so I wasn't afflicted by nameplate change

Plater is proper bae aswell

[sick sentinel]

Plater was a blessing when I learned about it recently

Out with tidyplates and into the bedroom with you Plater

[strong forum]

This

[oblique garnet]

Plater👌🏻

[full spruce]

Blizz ui or bust

[undone sun]

Bust

[sand egret]

Default or bust. ✊

[sick sentinel]

oh shut up blade you grandpa

[muted heron]

400+socket crit/vers vs 410 vers/mast

whats better for m+

[sick sentinel]

410

[muted heron]

socket is useless for weapons?

[sick sentinel]

yes

well not exactly

but item level is worth more

[muted heron]

oh i heard smth about socket is +15 ilvls

[sick sentinel]

that's for dps

read the thing I sent you

[astral crystal]

you get that thing i sent you?

[undone sun]

Sending it to individuals seems counter-intuitive when theres possible hundreds of lurkers 🤔

[inner bear]

i don´t think you can casual lurk this discord.. thousands of messages everyday. my favourite discord of all the tankdiscs tho

[undone sun]

You'd be surprised

[sick sentinel]

should I post it here as well?

[steady hawk]

Im casually lurking RN

[sick sentinel]

it's just a wall I send to people that ask these questions

[umbral forge]

Kaege the train started moving again

[sick sentinel]

grats

[umbral forge]

Only 6 hours over time

...which is to say the train company got us cabs

[sick sentinel]

Post it and maybe Marok can pin it

MAYBE

it just repeats stuff that is said in the guide mostly

so like

and also I said it's a mini wall

"Ur trash for playing prot, feel bad, reroll the fotm tank scrub"

There we go, an even minier wall

[burnt fossil]

i like seeing UIs at least

[neon tangle]

@muted heron people try and give general rules but a socket is worth 40 stats, depending on the slot that works out to different amounts of ilvls

It’s worth more on rings, less on weapons/legs

[sick sentinel]

okay look

I will send my thing here

and just comment on it or something

1. Item level always wins.
   All stats are roughly equal for prot so more stats>"better stats".
   Armor ,str and stamina are also counted.

2. When comparing 2 items of the same ilvl you equip the one with haste.

3. When comparing 2 items of the same ilvl and both of them have haste you go with crit for mplus and vers for raids.

4. Sockets are worth:
   5 ilvls on gear,
   10 ilvls on rings and trinkets,
   0 ilvls on weapons and shields

5. Always quick nav on weapon and haste on rings

6)Leech is a meme and should be treated as such, it's good when you have it on gear you would use anyway (following the above rules) but you shouldn't drop ilvls for it
If you have any more questions feel free to ask

[undone sun]

👌

[sick sentinel]

GRRR

[burnt fossil]

o shit i forgot i did that

[honest canopy]

@umbral forge if i ever have to stop to rsid il Come join your crew and just have a good time

110%

Chill play a Lil games

[sick sentinel]

I'd love to chill with some of you guys tbh

[undone sun]

Key word, some

[oblique garnet]

Hype jaina is dying today im getting unbenched soon

[honest canopy]

💕

[sick sentinel]

Damn @oblique garnet finally killing heroic Jaina?

Thought u were top 100 mythic raider

[oblique garnet]

Nah fam im benched on hc jaina

[honest canopy]

😂😂😂

Well, wife time.

Later

[oblique garnet]

You see i join guilds just to be on the bench to motivate the core raiders that theres a beast waiting to take your spot so they perform better 8)

[sand egret]

Late, the 6th Man

[sick sentinel]

Late knows that true power comes from the bench

I was in that pos

and then somebody fucked up a bit too much

and I got in B)

I've been benched once but it was an excuse for the guild to not have me come raid

[neon tangle]

I’m never in guilds good enough to put me on the bench

[sick sentinel]

Just raid heroic, they can't bench

[warm plinth]

Can't be on the bench if you don't have a full roster anyway

https://tenor.com/GwPo.gif

[sick sentinel]

^galaxy brain

[neon tangle]

@warm plinth trying to keep 20 people around this xpac has been horrrrid

[warm plinth]

Yeah, heard that from a ton of people this expansion

[sick sentinel]

How many people here who are regs aren't even subbed rn

[neon tangle]

Roster boss hardest boss I’m BfA

[sick sentinel]

A small amount but still

[umbral forge]

@honest canopy sure wanna join tomorrow? You don't raid during evening after all.

[novel cedar]

does deafening crash stack?

[sick sentinel]

The damage does

[novel cedar]

thanks

[sick sentinel]

Speaking of not playing wow, I need to get my division by 2 fix going

[umbral forge]

@sick sentinel US or EU

[sick sentinel]

EU fam

[umbral forge]

Neat

Sweet

Neat

Sugoi

[sick sentinel]

Eu nerds

[oblique garnet]

Eu>Na

[sick sentinel]

^^

Nah fam, world first azshara next patch

[outer dew]

Wow late

[sick sentinel]

Limit got it this time

[oblique garnet]

Only world first limit has a shot at is crucible

[outer dew]

What happened to our NA guild?

[oblique garnet]

Its ded

[sick sentinel]

Is anyone even doing WF for mythic cos?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

Limit

Wildcard

Method

[sick sentinel]

So nobody then

I feel like WF for a two boss raid is kinda pointless

[umbral forge]

Wildcard might put up a good fight vs Method

[sick sentinel]

WILDCARD OMAGALUL

isn't it like

dead

[oblique garnet]

Dunno

[sick sentinel]

Hey man, listen if China could be in the race we'd all be in the dust anyways

[oblique garnet]

China 🤔

[sick sentinel]

Yup, china

[oblique garnet]

They were 1 month behind on jaina

[sick sentinel]

The whole china

[dense flame]

Wildcard reformed I think

[sick sentinel]

Nah man the china dream is real

[oblique garnet]

I think koreans have better shot

Then china

[dense flame]

Prolly

[oblique garnet]

They have some ansolutely insane players

[sick sentinel]

The later u are to the content the faster u clear

[oblique garnet]

Ofc

But how many 3 minute mythic conclave kills have you seen

[dense flame]

That’s actually insane

Like big dick kill

They must have strong healers too

To just Zerg through any overlap that sucks

[umbral forge]

How

[oblique garnet]

Big dick dps

Dunno

[umbral forge]

Was it china or korea with the 30 min blockade kill?

[oblique garnet]

China

[wary lantern]

when to use trident?

in crucible?

just one the lasers with DoT?

[neon tangle]

we use it along with the big lightning explsion

[silk mortar]

Dont think you need to

Should be fine without

[wary lantern]

will just use it once on lasers and will see

[mint glen]

rezan 390 or corecrusted 410?

gore crusted

[sick sentinel]

what is your other trnket

[oblique garnet]

You answered yourself

[slim cosmos]

why is shield ilvl considered so important? what am I missing out on running a 385 shield?

[sick sentinel]

block

how much you block per attack depends on your block stat

you get that from shield ilvl or from traits like Iron fortress and brace for impact

and you want as much of it as possible

[slim cosmos]

how does "how much you block per attack" scale with the stat? so my 385 has about 5000 block, let's say I get a shield with 7500 block, am I now blocking 50% more damage than I used to?

[sick sentinel]

no

there is a spreadsheet

that calculates that for us

the formulas are complicated

[warm plinth]

https://goo.gl/oguKzo

[slim cosmos]

awesome, thanks, I'll spend some time playing with this

[sick sentinel]

you don't really need to

[slim cosmos]

I know, I've just been pretty unlucky with having a shield drop so i'm very curious what i'm missing out on

[sick sentinel]

but it's good to have a better undestanding of how it works

[warm plinth]

Weird, just realized that the armory doesn't show block stat on my shield 🤔

[slim cosmos]

neither does wowhead, was trying to look up what block rating 415s have

[warm plinth]

Lame

Tbh I can't really get accurate numbers via armory anyway since my crit and mastery are way off

According to the armory I have 18.25% mastery and 18.85% crit. According to the ratings (from the armory) I put in for the spreadsheet, I have 12.17% mastery and 13.85% crit.

[mint glen]

sorry I was in dungeon

I has Gore crusted 410, Rezan 390, Jes Howler 415, Diamond Laced 400

I had diamond equipped

and I can choose between 3

or should I also change diamond?

[oblique garnet]

No

Gore + diamond

[mint glen]

ok thx

[lusty grotto]

Block DR = Total Block Value / (Total Block Value + K)

well shit i was scrolled up

[warm plinth]

😬

[lusty grotto]

M0/M+: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine LFR: 8467.2 (x1.344)
BfD/Shrine Normal: 9311.4 (x1.478)
BfD/Shrine Heroic: 10275.3 (x1.631)
BfD/Shrine Mythic: 11390.4 (x1.808)```

@slim cosmos

math time for you

[sharp night]

it's because crit and mastery have base values that are included on armory but not in the spreadsheet

most classes have 5% base crit, a few have 10%

[warm plinth]

Spreadsheet does take base mastery into account, but not crit apparently.

[lusty grotto]

@fierce juniper

[warm plinth]

But even with the added mastery in the spreadsheet, it's still wrong

Though I honestly think it's more likely the armory is just still shit at displaying stats properly than that the spreadsheet is wrong.

[leaden grail]

So I did started playing my warrior more, and I wonder if there's anything I'm missing that you can do against magic damage? As far as I know, all I can do is Ignore Pain, all % damage reduce cds I have and spell reflect. Anything else? In motherlode the masterminds just absolutely destroy me. One tick on a +17 destroys a 40k+ ignore pain and takes about 20% of my hp on top of that.

[sharp night]

the mastery is weird because prot gets 3 values for mastery

[lusty grotto]

demo shout @leaden grail

[sharp night]

chance to block, chance to critblock, and attack power

[lusty grotto]

spell reflect the channel also

[leaden grail]

I counted that as a damage reduce cd

[lusty grotto]

yes

its a damage reduce cd

[leaden grail]

it's possible to spell reflect the whole channel?

[lusty grotto]

of ALL damage

including magic

yes its possible as long as you SR before the initial cast ends

also why are you doing masterminds in a 17

[sick sentinel]

I spell reflected the whole protection channel once

it was crazy

[lusty grotto]

why aren't you death running, its fortified week

[leaden grail]

Tbh, I watched a MDI clip of people pulling 2+ masterminds on a +19 and it didnt seem too suicidal

and that happened last ID on tyrannical

[lusty grotto]

yeah... on tyrannical, you said it

[leaden grail]

I mean I did the 17 on tyrannical. And I was surprised how much damage I took regarding how little I usually take on that key level

[warm plinth]

Oh, it must be showing the AP mastery then; that works out properly. 8% base + 4.17% from my 300 rating

[lusty grotto]

bro

FORTIFIED

[leaden grail]

Do you even read what I'm writing ._.

[warm plinth]

Crit is missing the base 5% though (in the spreadsheet), which seems important unless it's added in the formula that calculates the DR

[sharp night]

yeah the spreadsheet is showing AP mastery while armory shows critblock

that's why it's different

[lusty grotto]

its a 17, what do you expect

[leaden grail]

Dunno, I kinda expected to just faceroll it like all the other 17's

[lusty grotto]

again why do you think people never do that part

[leaden grail]

You're also missing my point. The question was just about what you can do as Prot against magic damage and not about motherlode pulls. I did it because I was curious. I don't like just copying some streamer's dungeon routes just because they do higher keys than me. I want to know why and how specific routes work and other do not.

[lusty grotto]

i dont copy streamers routes

its just common sensee

also i did answer your question

[leaden grail]

this conversation doesn't lead anywhere I think. Thanks for your answer on my original question though. Have a good evening

[lusty grotto]

its a time sink that can be avoided easily

• they hit hard, especially in fortified week

just like the front pack in 2nd AD boss

too much time wasted on it

[warm plinth]

Besides the things you listed (SR, Wall, Demo Shout, IP), there's nothing else you can do personally against magic damage. You could always ask for an external if you have one in your group.

Like Ironbark or something

[lusty grotto]

im the most anti streamer dude in here

everyone knows that

🤷

[elder sparrow]

Hey can any one give me Lepanclap Weakaura Link ?

[lusty grotto]

yeah lepan's twitch can help you

[remote tusk]

Which do I pick?

[elder sparrow]

i need to be subscriber to get he's Weakaura :/

[undone sun]

SoL then

[lusty grotto]

why are you following a dude that doesn't know warriors at all

what's his WA look like anyway

maybe it's not even his

[oblique garnet]

AAAAAA 6%

[elder sparrow]

ther you go @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

windows key + shift + s is your friend next time

uhh

that doesnt look tough to replicate anyway

if you're saying the middle ability cooldowns

top left is Tehr's CDs though

[elder sparrow]

most importent i need he's rage bar in the middle

[warm plinth]

Yeah his WA suite looks like every other prot warrior WA suite to me

[lusty grotto]

there are a lot of rage bar WAs around

[void hill]

or you could make your own in literally under 1 minute using the templates in WA

[lusty grotto]

wowhead also has code for every ability

which you can import into WA

i gotta be honest though

that is the shittiest looking WA thing ive ever seen

[umbral forge]

Welcome back nim

[lusty grotto]

literally looks like he did the elvui "put my abilities up" thing

[umbral forge]

@sick sentinel i declare war upon public transport.

[void hill]

i like to build my weak auras off Luxthos

i copy his stuff and adjust as i need

[grand drum]

400 rezan/400 vial/395 new raid trinket. which ones should i use in m+

[sick sentinel]

LOL @umbral forge

[umbral forge]

It's literally 6 hours from Stockholm to where I live

WHY THE FUCK AM I STILL GOING HOME AFTER FUCKING 13 HOURS

I am generating enough rage to give myself IP every second for 4 MONTHS

[warm plinth]

@grand drum Probably Rezan+Vial. New raid trinket is good but not sure if it does enough damage to be worth using over the others if you don't need the heal. Someone else who has messed with it can speak to that.

[honest frigate]

It’s basically a free last stand and it’s really strong but you probably don’t need it in content that is sub 20 keys or non mythic

[silk mortar]

Yeah i have it at 420 and can tell you its really strong. Low cooldown and a huge heal + some damage on enemies is always nice

[lusty grotto]

yo

is FH > island expeditions for leveling?

im running my brother's rogue

[sick sentinel]

fh

[lusty grotto]

M0?

or what

[umbral forge]

@lusty grotto by the time you'd get 1 level in IE you're done with Freehold.
Normal

Just you and 1 other bloke, the DH booster

[lusty grotto]

why a DH though

i can solo a FH normal

[umbral forge]

(Don't kill me)

Leech.

[lusty grotto]

i dont have a DH

[umbral forge]

Yeah but can you do it in 4 minutes?

[lusty grotto]

i mean i do but its not leveled up

[umbral forge]

A 110/111 twink DH kills the place in 3-4 mins if he's good

[lusty grotto]

define twink

[umbral forge]

An attractive, boyish-looking, young gay man. The stereotypical twink is 18-22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at 10:00 AM, and is not particularly intelligent. A twink is the gay answer to the blonde bimbo cheerleader.

[lusty grotto]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/arthas/zuaniavelez is zuania a twink though

[undone sun]

Hmmmmm

Wrong kind of twink

[umbral forge]

Hmmm

[lusty grotto]

i mean i just wanna plvl my brother's rogue

[umbral forge]

Nope

Needs the head

If you're leveling alone not paying anyone

Islands

Or quests

[lusty grotto]

jettom

i just said

i wanna plvl my brothers rogue

as in me on my prot warrior

[umbral forge]

Plvl

Oh my God

I feel like bladesong

[lusty grotto]

powerlevel

[umbral forge]

@sand egret I've turned into you ;_;

[sand egret]

🤔

[oblique garnet]

Pog even more leech gear

[undone sun]

😡

[sand egret]

damn that's enough to drop 13 ilvls for

[oblique garnet]

only 20

[sand egret]

naw, only 13

[lusty grotto]

wait

do you only rush FH or do you kill all the trash?

[oblique garnet]

hm?

Depends on the comp

[lusty grotto]

powerleveling

[oblique garnet]

oh

powerleveling yes you kill all the trash

pretty much

[lusty grotto]

you dont do bosses at all ?

[oblique garnet]

no

[umbral forge]

you actually

undress

and let the boss kill you

to reset faster

[oblique garnet]

pretty much

[umbral forge]

Wait

if nim can solo this on his Warrior

his warrior must have hella leech

[lusty grotto]

well i didnt pull the entire instance

but i just finished

he got a 1/3rd of a level

[umbral forge]

get heirlooms

[oblique garnet]

Are you doing the fh boost?

[umbral forge]

yes as a prot warrior

[oblique garnet]

Why

[lusty grotto]

yeah trying to powerlevel my brother

[oblique garnet]

Oh

How long did it take you

[lusty grotto]

i could have gone faster, but let me check

15 mins maybe?

might be less

just going by the emotes

the mortal strike debuff fucking sucks though

[umbral forge]

that's

that's not worth it

sorry

[oblique garnet]

might aswell be doing random normal dungeons

[warm plinth]

it'd be faster to quest

[umbral forge]

what late said

[oblique garnet]

it takes like 5-10 mins per dungeon

[umbral forge]

and gives double XP

[lusty grotto]

1 sec, doing another run

10 mins

yeah max 10 mins

i think i recorded it

[sick sentinel]

so I tanked crucible today

was okay

bonus rolled both bosses, got ap both times

[inner bear]

only bonusrolled uunath for the trinket.. ap

bonusrolls are just for ap.. don´t ya know?

[umbral forge]

How long has current x-pack been out

[broken roost]

leech or avoidance?

[lusty grotto]

like 9 months @umbral forge

[warm plinth]

@broken roost If you have the exact same item at the same ilevel and one has leech and the other has avoidance, choose the one with leech. However if they aren't identical, then use the one with the higher ilevel. If they're the same ilevel, use the one that has haste.

[broken roost]

neither has haste, same ilvl hah

thanks - that's what I thought

[oblique garnet]

@lusty grotto you watch got?

[lusty grotto]

yeah im heading over to friend's to watch it

[oblique garnet]

Dude the new epsiode was 👌

[lusty grotto]

i also read the books

nice

[dawn shuttle]

You guys think with the uF nef that any opportunity to something else in the talent row to emerge will occur?

[lusty grotto]

no

[umbral forge]

@lusty grotto SO WHY DO PEOPLE STILL IGNORE BOBBY AND DON'T KNOW ABOUT VICIOUS MAULING?!

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

uhhhh...

[sick sentinel]

Sounds like a you problem

[lusty grotto]

jettom you alright there?

buddy press 1 if you need help

[sick sentinel]

Did you know you don't have to break the shield to interrupt?

Inb4 1111111111111

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean it's clearly the tank's fault

everytime 200% of the time

yes, even when you're not tanking, its your fault

i did a ToS yesterday

rogue made a u turn into the cyclones as i was reflecting them

with quaking up

since he almost died to cyclones, my healer was on him

guess who died

rip key

alt + f4d faster than a flash+superman race

[umbral forge]

1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111

[astral crystal]

summoning jettom

click pls

[oblique garnet]

Welp time to watch the episode again

[sick sentinel]

I haven't watched got yet

Because I was waiting to watch it with a friend

[oblique garnet]

Fuck your friend

Actually

Go watch it

[sick sentinel]

And the day she was going to come over

[lusty grotto]

im going to my friends house now lol

[sick sentinel]

I was super sick

And she didn't

I will watch it on my own tho

Like tomorrow morning

[oblique garnet]

Nice😁

[sick sentinel]

It's not happening LOL I know her since we were like 12 or some shit

[oblique garnet]

Idk man this episode might put her into a mood 8)

[sick sentinel]

Lol

I'm just gonna to to bed, I say stupid shit when I'm tired

Yes, I know what you thinking

I'm always tired

[oblique garnet]

Nah

You always say youre gonna go to bed yet here you are having a conversation with me at 7 am

[sick sentinel]

I know right

I will actually close discord tho

[oblique garnet]

Sleep is for the weak

[neon tangle]

Whyyyy

Would you post that

@fierce juniper @final mist plz delet

[umbral forge]

Literally only 2 posts in here

@jade socket can you help

Lavenderwar came in and spoiled Ep2 of GoT out of nowhere

[jade socket]

$pb @sick sentinel

[turbid robin]

Done.

[inner bear]

oof.. why am i reading protdisc now.. oof x.x

[umbral forge]

Thank

[jade socket]

That’s aids

Watching myself

[honest canopy]

Tuut