No no I’m pretty sure it’s sudoku
#protection
chilly brook
undone sun
He left? 😭
chilly brook
Yea idk why
undone sun
Too much leech
chilly brook
Did he specify done with the game or done with the discord
warm plinth
"I'm done with this game" were his exact words
undone sun
Fair then
oblique garnet
First he was here and now he gone
chilly brook
Seems to be a common sentiment at this point
oblique garnet
My guesses are that he ran into too many mongs in m+
chilly brook
I run into a lot of mongs in eso
My guess is that it’s the casuals who jumped ship from wow
oblique garnet
Maybe he will come back soon
neon tangle
@warm plinth i think just looking at AM uptime is the wrong idea
warm plinth
I wasn't just looking at AM uptime. I was just saying that there wasn't an issue with that being relatively similar across specs.
I agree with Thyme. They have other issues than their AM uptime
undone sun
Like how poor of a CD meta is
chilly brook
Idk I’m not the most experience edgy boi but when I played mine I felt solid inside of AM windows
But outside of them it was like literally being wet tissue paper
Granted you can fix that either by bumping the uptime up or fixing the out of mitigation tankyness
undone sun
Which they just did
chilly brook
Meta is bad but fixing that won’t make them more viable in and of itself
undone sun
But also reducing DS' armor, to smooth out the difference
It allows for more uses for meta, it's incredibly underwhelming currently
chilly brook
There’s not much to the class to begin with so that’s why I think it would be better to just shift it to higher uptime instead of boosting out of AM mitigation
I personally wouldn’t have liked BrM so much if they didn’t have the brew reduction component
Takes a simple rotation and makes it feel more meaningful
Same with anger management
chilly brook
It used to
oblique garnet
But in reality it doesnr
chilly brook
Granted I stopped playing BrM in BFA
warm plinth
I've always found Brewmaster to be just as boring as Guardian. Some of the abilities are cooler but in the end it's still as thoughtless as Guardian is
oblique garnet
Warrior is pretty boring too
chilly brook
TBH I think most if not all classes should have something similar to AM
Actually gives incentive to maximize your resources
warm plinth
Yeah I think most people do have something like AM; it's just not as all-encompassing as it is for us
most classes I meant
chilly brook
Probably not
warm plinth
Well, not most I guess, but others
sand egret
AM is a great example of deterministic control over your spec compared to proc-based specs like Frost DK, for instance. This can be in literal CDR like AM or in stuff like Fire Mage and Combustion providing guaranteed Pyro chains.
most specs fall along the spectrum in some degree
Outlaw is also an interesting case
There are pros/cons to both, but luckily WoW is a large enough game where a lot of different playstyles are covered
chilly brook
I actually quite like Outlaw
umbral forge
I love WW Monk for how few proccs there are
Same with MM
Though it looks like im Spriest for S3. @sick sentinel sorry im leaving the guild
Dont tell vic
sand egret
Just don't go posting it in the Discord he's part of. That'd be awkward as heck.
umbral forge
Yeaaah
Well he literally enabled me quitting
By being an actual good prot warrior
It's easier to replace a DPS than a Tank
umbral forge
Sent an application to a 8/9m guild and was accepted on the spot and asked to join jaina progress today but had to turn it down cause im going to a guild meetup tomorrow
So had to pick up people & pack
I was like
sand egret
¯_(ツ)_/¯
umbral forge
"...what no im not ready"
sand egret
I dont get guild stuff these days
ocean acorn
what guild are u going to
sick sentinel
@sand condor
umbral forge
Absolution on stormscale EU I think.
full spruce
I just did that. But I’m waiting till jaina goes down before I step in
umbral forge
Though
It's for S3
Gonna finish this season with the bois
Also depends on the guild meet up
Tbf
oblique garnet
I fucking wish man
I got to tank for my guild first time today in few months on crucible for 30minutes and now they are back at jaina
warm plinth
You're not tanking Jaina?
umbral forge
It's too @oblique garnet for that now, they're so far into progression with another tank
oblique garnet
Pretty much
umbral forge
(did you like my joke)
oblique garnet
No
warm plinth
But is the other tank as good as Late 🤔
oblique garnet
It doesnt matter he is tanking it till jaina dies
sick sentinel
ANyone playing BrM tank?
oblique garnet
Also @warm plinth im not good im average but i cant get better without actually playing some bosses
warm plinth
I was mostly being facetious when I asked that. But I hear you; can't really get better beyond a point until you can practice.
sick sentinel
Well this is the prot warrior channel
But we have some people playing multiple tank classes here
oblique garnet
Yes
tepid raptor
what is the bis trinkets?
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel it did thank you
tepid raptor
I cant find it anywhere
sick sentinel
sweet
tepid raptor
like top 5
warm plinth
@tepid raptor Butcher's Block, Rezan's, Prism, Vial, RAGE and the new trinket from Crucible. That's 6 in no particular order
timber nest
anyone on jaina know when to use your 2nd avatar? half the time it gets cut off by a ring of frost
warm plinth
Oh, and Anchor from jaina is good too; forgot about that one.
clever shale
do weapons still follow the highest IL rule? got a 415 vs a 410 with a socket atm
tepid raptor
okay ty!
warm plinth
Yes they do @clever shale
clever shale
sweet tyty
dim blaze
anybody know why i can't pick up the trident even though i don't have debuff?
it's unclickable after off tank uses it the 1st time for like 3 mins
red wedge
dim blaze
i thought the only timer was the debuff we get
warm plinth
You can't pick it up until its energy is full again
dim blaze
ok
warm plinth
dim blaze
got it thanks
trim bay
The trick is not to use it
astral crystal
who's your co-tank?
digital frigate
He's a PLD.
astral crystal
have him tank brownsamdi full time
you stay on rastaman
pallies can immune death's caress/stacks
digital frigate
He tried that and it killed him with an auto attack
Is there a way to get around this?
He has to res, correct?
astral crystal
dont think so, my paladin cotank stays alive the entire time im pretty sure
havent seen the fight in a while since we're a few weeks deep into jaina
but im reasonably sure he lived the entire time
digital frigate
Willow
I can't go to bed without telling you to go to bed first.
Willow
Go to bed
exotic spoke
so
Where does a 410 Idol rank for M+ Above other 410 (I kinow most people will say lower than a 415 socketed howler)
Just curious what everyone's thoughts are
ornate wagon
swapped up my azerite
I now run 1 DC, 3 BoM, 2 IF, 1 OP, 1 Blood Siphon, 1 earthlink, 2 Moment of Glory, 1 Impassive visage
lilac onyx
question
sick sentinel
Answer
warm plinth
yes
mortal brook
until 99%, its mechanics and gameplay. after that its cheese
playing the character well is going to get you mostly there
warm plinth
Yeah the people you see with 100% parses are usually people whose guilds will set it up so they can pad the log as much as possible. Not always, but often.
lilac onyx
i was doing really well to survive and not taking damage but i was only parsing like 50s
warm plinth
Those have zero to do with parses
sick sentinel
Honestly as a tank, u shouldn't worry about parses
lilac onyx
ye i mean i wasnt really. but its nice to see pretty orange and purples on my logs
digital frigate
You know, I'm glad to see people say this.
sick sentinel
The purple will come naturally with more gear and time
digital frigate
I'm mechanically well in fights and perform well but my parses aren't great.
And everytime I compare myself to other WAR's I feel bad.
lilac onyx
considering im like 405 i just cleared M rastakan with my guild
trim bay
question guys. for raids. if you can should you stack 3x BFI?
sick sentinel
Welcome to WCL, chances are the legend parses were cheesed
digital frigate
Really?
sick sentinel
Yes
trim bay
ok sweet
warm plinth
If you're playing properly you should at least be in the middle-high middle range by default. But any higher than that, you're doing something purposefully to get higher damage, often at the expense of more defensive traits/gameplay
sick sentinel
^
warm plinth
Not that that's bad. But that's how parses work
lilac onyx
all goodf i was just curious how the prot parses worked out
sick sentinel
As an example, run the Deva talent and reckless fury *3
warm plinth
Once you're at a point where you're surviving everything and doing mechanics well, there's nothing wrong with helping to kill the boss faster is basically what I'm saying. But it's not a requirement to be a good tank.
sick sentinel
It's honestly worthless imo to go for parse as a tank
"Oh no, this tank has 55 parse he's trash"
warm plinth
Depends what you mean by "go for parse" I guess.
mortal brook
Except that a lot of what a player does to well optimize their output is also heloing with their survoval, so its half and hapf really. Theres no going ' my output doesnt matter im here to tank' when a lot of it is tied together
warm plinth
Yeah especially at the mythic level, tank DPS does matter to an extent
sick sentinel
The dps will always matter, but shit wont get done if ur more focused on a number people have found a way to fuck with
warm plinth
I would agree 100% with that
mortal brook
Like, bdk every button youre pressing goes to survival and also output, doing one well is doing the other well. Its proper resource, uptime and efficiency output. Its not ' im here to be a health pool meatbag'
sick sentinel
^
Idk if the log is still in WCL but a bdk got a 100 parse on healing during Ant for Dogs
With over 3million healing done or something high
Bdks can heal but not for THAT much legitimate
mortal brook
I had r1 healing allstar in tos for a while. It was 90% proper output and the rest was pure pad cheese nonsense.
Play well and chamces are youre getting decent logs. Resourcr e management, uptimes, efficiencies
sick sentinel
Our holy priest in my last guild would pad his healing when we did H Janina by standing in the fire in P1 until he was caught by the guild
mortal brook
I had cancelauras for any incoming heal lol
sick sentinel
Jesus lol
mortal brook
Bear healing in tos was dumb btw
sick sentinel
It's honestly too much work for me personally to try and get a high parse with these crazy af plans
mortal brook
Its literally the dofference between a 99% and 100% log where dumb happena. The rest is whatever
Heal logs i can understand are sometimes comp based and cd based, but for dps, its generally just playing well
That gets you to purple and orange
sick sentinel
I tend to find u can get purple's easier with higher gear
Oranges and higher is better play
warm plinth
Depends if you're looking at ilevel parse or overall parse
mortal brook
Youll see the grey parsing tanks tho, that arent maximizing their efficiencies and uptimes, also struggling at survival because they arent doing the output things that strengthen their defense. And tgeyll saw 'im here to tank not to log' but they have serious defensive downtimes
sick sentinel
I honestly wouldn't know since I don't check wtf it's for
warm plinth
The parse on the left side is overall (where gear is important). The parse in like the 2nd to last column is ilevel parse where you're only competing against people in like a 4 or 5 ilevel bracket
mortal brook
Toggle the by ilvl option lol
sick sentinel
Oh no if I see a parse that's gray for a tank that's the only time I get red flagged
Because u should be at least getting green
And that's not asking for much because that's u doing the bare minimum at fucking best
I am interested tho on how blizzard is gonna try and put an .io style thing that they apparently mentioned
Because if they can do it for M+(and it works) hopefully they can do it for raids too
warm plinth
Wouldn't be that hard. The information already all comes from Blizz API
sick sentinel
Oh yeah but it's blizzard and them fucking up or not knowing how to do it has to be put on the table
mortal brook
Their scoring system will prob be different
warm plinth
Same way gearscore worked. It just took ilevel (which was a hidden value at the time) from the API and put it into their formula or whatever, and spat out a number
sick sentinel
I'm more curious as to what it'll look like in terms of displaying of all information
warm plinth
Ah
sick sentinel
Can they put highest run, overall dps, deaths etc
warm plinth
The way I'd do it is to just have a little side panel in the group finder
ornate wagon
is BoM really that great?
warm plinth
It's not as good for raids to the point where it's mandatory to stack it
ornate wagon
i just swapped some traits around to have 3 of them
warm plinth
In M+ it's invaluable
ornate wagon
i run more m+ than raid
the idea is the mastery just makes us block everything during avatar?
warm plinth
No, it's good for the on-demand damage
sick sentinel
It's more the damage aspect
Mastery increase our attack power which increases....our attack power
ornate wagon
ahh ye
warm plinth
Although you will crit block more with BoM up, so you'll likely notice a difference defensively as well if you're facing blockable damage
sick sentinel
^
ornate wagon
so my prot traits are 3 x BoM, 2 x IF, 1 x DC
sick sentinel
That's actually really good
warm plinth
That's pretty much exactly what I recommend to people for M+
ornate wagon
inner rings are 1 x OP, 1 x Blood Siphon, 1 x Earthllink
sick sentinel
Damn, u need to reroll then
Sorry
Give us ur badge and go home
Those are fine @ornate wagon
ornate wagon
and then inner most ring is 2 x MoG and 1 x Impassive
digital frigate
I keep wondering what I'm doing wrong and I think it's up time.
sick sentinel
If u have a log u can post it here and we can check it out
Because we can say, yes it's probably poor management, but if we don't have the actual data it's just us spiting words out and taking guesses
lilac onyx
is it better to look By ilevel or overall for parsing?
digital frigate
It takes me a while to learn things and I'm a slow learner since I'm old but I try to improve some.
sick sentinel
I'd ask @mortal brook cause idk @lilac onyx
ilvl parses are a meme
@digital frigate ur cast % of SB is really low
umbral forge
Why
digital frigate
It's 3 cast of SB before popping my 2m cd, correct?
WAIT
Shield bash or block?
sick sentinel
shield block
sick sentinel
we do not have shield bash, we have shield slam
digital frigate
Shield slam, yes, correct.
sick sentinel
U casted Shield block about 16 times, Demo shout 11, avatar 6 and last stand 3 times
U need to fix ur Shield block and demo shout uptime a lot
sick sentinel
yeah
digital frigate
I remember reading that. I'm pretty sure I get nervous and screw up a lot.
Can I use avatar every 2 demos?
They align, correct?
sick sentinel
exactly every 2
digital frigate
OK.
So from what you've seen, to summerize: 1) SB improvement 2) Demo Shout and avatar alignment and improvement.
Uptime in general.
sick sentinel
Yup pretty much what u said
digital frigate
Alright. I will work on it on dummies and try to do the farm runs and practice it more.
sick sentinel
If ur ever curious, just click on urself when checking logs and look mainly at damage taken and buffs/casts
Oh and also use Strength flask not stamina
low mplus and hc raids to practice
digital frigate
OK
I have undertow I believe.
I was using stamina because we were having issues on conclave.
With healing.
But I realize
sick sentinel
Understandable
digital frigate
maybe I was just screwing up but having low uptime
sick sentinel
str flask gives you armor
digital frigate
Oh, that's true.
sick sentinel
and bigger ignore pain
digital frigate
Should I go for Trecherous Conv and 3rd Bastion with Jadefire helm?
I have 2 bastions right now.
sick sentinel
For m+ that's fine
For raiding, I'd use something else over Bastion unless it's the only option
sick sentinel
Pretty much the first four bosses give us everything we would want
Weapon, shield, amazing az traits
And a godlike trinket
any tips for timing atal 10 this week? i know we need to be careful on the saurid packs with bursting but having trouble still
AD is going to be a mess regardless due to quaking
mortal brook
Spam mage food after combat, spell reflect the bursting
sick sentinel
^
warm plinth
Get a healer that doesn't panic when you hit 3 stacks
sick sentinel
If ur a zandalari u can also heal urself to full
i should note that i only pug so... yeah lol
you cant inr
warm plinth
Regeneratin' breaks on damage
sick sentinel
If u don't have the debuff
damage breaks the healing
Yeah after the dot drops u should be using regen
oh yeah w/e thats 2 sec of you healers time
Its real good in grievous
sick sentinel
That's all it is
Pratice it in normal/heroic
Panicing is not uncommon so don't think we are all nerves of steel
warm plinth
I am. And that's not the only part of me made of steel.
sick sentinel
wow.
mortal brook
Toes
warm plinth
Yeah, I was talking about my toes. Wtf were you guys thinking?
sick sentinel
Ur hip replacement
mortal brook
Daaaaamn
sick sentinel
Lol
i really underestimated how bad this affix combo is
It's extremely bad in small areas
umbral forge
Whats the affix
warm plinth
Burst/quake
sick sentinel
Burst/Quake/fort
warm plinth
Bursting is always a shit affix when you PUG. You either get the DPS who don't know to stop blowing their load (or like to stagger stacks), or you get the healer who panics the second the first stack appears and freaks out.
umbral forge
I'm on the bus to meet my Healer right now. Wish me luck!
sick sentinel
I finally did a m+ today for this week without checking and I was like oh no, it's thisnweek
umbral forge
Oh no
sick sentinel
ive been dropping fish feasts and have an addon that announces and half the time people still just stand there lol
digital frigate
Is this a good week for Shrine?
umbral forge
I'm on voice
"Eat the fish"
DH (on voice) doesn't "why aren't you going"
sick sentinel
I hope ur healer throws a Doritos bag at u @umbral forge then u'll know it's true love
warm plinth
Yeah, Shrine is a pretty good dungeon for this combo
Since droplets don't burst anymore
Or the skele dudes
sick sentinel
But let's be real, that shit don't matter until the 2nd boss area
umbral forge
@sick sentinel if all goes well we're a couple when I leave lol.
Shrine good this week?
sick sentinel
WHO WANTS 20 STACKSKS
what would you say to a dps that keeps saying "we need to pick up the pace"? when we are on pace to time it
warm plinth
Pretty much the only pack you have to worry about is the 1st pull of the dungeon
I would ignore them completely
sick sentinel
Or just tell then calm down
warm plinth
I rarely respond to people unless they're saying something that needs to be responded to tbh
sick sentinel
^
umbral forge
"Nah man we good. Bursting is a cunt don't underestimate it"
sick sentinel
Like either or is a fine enough reponse
But just ignoring tends to be the better option most times
warm plinth
That being said, as soon as I can see the healer is fine to handle the last burst, I'm pulling the next pack
sick sentinel
The less u say the more focused people are on the dungeon then on typing
warm plinth
Yep
sick sentinel
Also u don't want to deal with that one guy who just wants an excuse to leave
umbral forge
I never thought of it like that
warm plinth
Yeah it's too easy to say something that touches a nerve or somehow magically offends someone and they bail
warm plinth
If I make a mistake, I'll usually call it before anyone else does so it doesn't start an argument by someone blaming the wrong person
sick sentinel
Nah fuck u,ur family, ur wife, ur kids, ur life, ur parents, that dog
warm plinth
Haha, that's if I made mistakes 😏
sick sentinel
U shit suck my dick
And I've had someone say that not to me but to a healer or dps
And I'm like, yo chill we are LITERALLY STARING AT THE ASS OF THE FINALY BOSS WITH 8 MINUTES TO SPARE
Because for some god damn reason that happens AT THE FINAL GOD DAMN BOSS
warm plinth
Then you realize it's tyrannical and it's the last boss of Siege and it's actually going to take 18 minutes to do the boss
sick sentinel
Man siege is just the fucking worst for that boss alone
warm plinth
lol it really is
sick sentinel
But hey at least they are going to start making dungeons for the dungeon and not for m+
warm plinth
Are they?
umbral forge
What
sick sentinel
Unless I read it wrong I might have saw them saying on wowhead from one of the 300 posts from an interview or 8.2 they relaized that the dungeon we're bad or something because it was more focused on m+ then the dungeon
umbral forge
Thank God they recognized that
Pulling many stuff to die them is fun
Not as fun in current dungeons cause interrupts
sick sentinel
I'd have to look but I'm on my phone so that's just gonna be a long time to look for
warm plinth
Really? Because I don't think the amount of trash mobs in Motherlode agrees with that statement 😂
umbral forge
I'll take your word for it
sick sentinel
I just want dungeons like AD/FH
umbral forge
@warm plinth my irl friend has yet to see the trash beyond second boss lol. He started again a few weeks ago
sick sentinel
If I want to kill the "final" boss, let me
sick sentinel
If it isn't adding big anime tiddie, then it won't fix it
umbral forge
I like how you think
Seasonal. Timewalking. M+.
One season is Wrath timewalking, do Wrath m+ with actual tuned Wrath dungeons all season long for Wrath gear.
Spice up the loot by a lot.
Next season is BC timewalking, wrath timewalking dungeons gone till next season its active.
It'd be x-packs between each season so it'd always feel fresh and with how each season is an ilvl reset it'd be neat
digital frigate
Nerd, I was looking at my sim and it says I should more or less be pulling 16k
Is that something that increases with what you talked to me about?
warm plinth
Tbh I have no interest whatsoever in having to suffer through old dungeons again
exotic spoke
oh what dungeon are they adding
umbral forge
I want to do Gundrak TW!
exotic spoke
I dont need to re do them
sand condor
):
umbral forge
GRIM BATOL TIMEWALKING
exotic spoke
However, now I have goals - trying to kill raid / m+ members with the trinket from CoS
sand condor
): ): ):
warm plinth
If you'd ever done shit like Mana-Tombs or Shattered Halls or Arcatraz on heroic when they were current, you wouldn't be saying that shit.
umbral forge
Run to low level people questing and use it
ornate wagon
wooohoo just pulled 20.2k overall in a waycrest
exotic spoke
Ohhhhhhhhhh
warm plinth
You can't hit low level people with it
exotic spoke
awwww 😦
umbral forge
Awwwwww
warm plinth
Someone already tested it XD
exotic spoke
Ill go back to doing 80K thunderclaps in raid killing raiders lol
umbral forge
@sand condor relax you're stuck with me until after Summer at least.
sand condor
):
umbral forge
And like we'll still do m+ and stuff.
And I'l join on mondays and drunk raids
sand condor
Hmmm
umbral forge
It's only if I leave too. Might not. Gonna give Mike the reins and see if he can salvage it.
exotic spoke
Or you can come to alliance and help us push 6/9 M
sand condor
Yeah its like
umbral forge
Hmm
exotic spoke
cause we're close and always need more people
sand condor
We do need to badly get a stable roster
exotic spoke
US
umbral forge
EU sorry otherwise I'd jump if my pseudo-bf could come
sand condor
Im trying my best to hijack my old good guildies
warm plinth
Love randomly changing shards midquest. Not even a WQ or anything; just a regular random quest
sand condor
But i understand, hell if i got the chance to join an 8/9 id go for it too
exotic spoke
Thats the worst
sand condor
But now if that team loses a tank you know who to call
sick sentinel
@digital frigate that would be the right amount for raids, u should be at least doing 10k min if u want a bar to aim for
digital frigate
ty
umbral forge
@sand condor if the guild gets better i'll stay but I had to quit raiding in Legion as Nighthold came out cause personal reasons and have lacked the Mythic itch since.
I finally can get back into raiding and I don't want to spend my time raiding supervising a guild that can't get an interrupt chain without shouting over voice comms.
Or as my friend put it
"I started raiding and I felt like the worst Holy Priest. So I used wowanalyzer, went over my logs, compared myself to others, watched others heal it through streams, checked the holy priest discord. I felt like I grew and improved as a Player and the Guild didn't follow"
sand condor
Yeah i get that
dim blaze
I think I need it
sick sentinel
Nah we need it more
mint adder
Item level cap is still 425 despite the new mythic raid dropping 415 and 420 right?
sick sentinel
Yup
mint adder
Kinda lame
warm plinth
Be stupid to feel like you had to farm a 2 boss raid to improve your ilevel though
sick sentinel
Yeah but oh well, scallies patch soon
mint adder
I can see the caster trinket being farmed for usage in next teir
undone sun
Not even a full raid, so one can't really expect a huge upgrade
Stepping stop for most
Stone*
warm plinth
I'm not saying you won't farm it for specific drops. But if it was like 430 or 435, guilds would feel like they had to farm it to be competitive for the next tier.
warm plinth
Yeah
undone sun
Meaning you can still get CE from bfd, making it not a replacement 👏
mint adder
Yeah that’s pretty neat
I stopped raiding for school this semester but then one of my guild’s tanks got a promotion and he had to quit wow, so I’m stepping in for M Jaina prog
And I don’t have AOTC and only 1/9M
mint adder
So when we kill her I’ll get AOTC and CE in one kill, making me 2/9M
warm plinth
Idk, someone told me that the 2nd boss is just as hard as Jaina, mechanically
zinc rose
idk tofu but i think he means uunat in cos and not BoD ^^
warm plinth
Yes I'm talking about Crucible
outer dew
If they think
That boss is as hard as jaina
They're delusional
What's funny is its on the loot table for ret/hunters
The tank trinket which consumes life
mystic trellis
Anyone know why push to talk isnt triggering mic? If I set to open mic it works but
warm plinth
What did you set your push to talk to?
warm plinth
Hm, weird.
Try closing Discord and running it as administrator (right-click>run as administrator) @mystic trellis
mystic trellis
Oh shit I meant ingame voice, sorry
warm plinth
Do you by chance have that key bound elsewhere in WoW?
For example I use that key for my auto run, but voice chat still automatically makes that my push-to-talk key
Might also be the case for the others you've tried; WoW has a lot of default bindings
mystic trellis
Yeah I was checking, maybe I missed something
Might have to just restart but
In raid lol
warm plinth
Easy way to make sure is to just bind it to something currently unbound (like a secondary binding for something), then click that and unbind it.
mystic trellis
Yeah doesn't look like anything else was bound. Damn, I'll check restart
mystic trellis
Pug life
drowsy relic
undone sun
The pins in the UI channel has bunch of useable ones
Think #268491842637660160
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
@drowsy relic Kage likes my set
for prot
but I think it's.. straight garbage
ymmv
warm plinth
You think your own set is garbage?
sonic saddle
Are there any theorycrafters for Prot we can DM our questions to?
sonic saddle
mkay. Trinket choices based on stat budgeting and traits; Question pertains to M+ rather than raids. Traits 2 Bastion 1 Def 1 Brace 1 IF 1 Blood. Stats: C-H-M-V: 751(16) - 1062 (16) - 1327(40) - 622(7). Which trinkets to choose: 410Rezan 405VIal 400Jess
outer dew
Rezan/Vial
Vial is much better for a burst window
way proc trinkets work is when you drop combat
sonic saddle
And for future gearing any particular stat I shld work towards
sonic saddle
ah k
sick sentinel
I'll just pm you a think
warm plinth
Yeah honestly what trinkets you chose would not have been affected in any way by what your stats or traits are.
warm plinth
No, I mean that your stats and traits are irrelevant when it comes to choosing a trinket.
sonic saddle
if the traits and stats are irrelavent, then the only item of relevance is uptime?
sick sentinel
stats and traits on the rest of your gear are irrelevant to your trinket choices
warm plinth
The effect/stats/cooldown of the trinkets are relevant. But they're completely stand-alone from what your current stats are.
sick sentinel
the stats that the trinket themselves give are relevant
sonic saddle
I see
warm plinth
Like Rezan's gives haste. Even if you had 70% haste, it would still be one of the ones we told you to use.
outer dew
wdym
sonic saddle
so in this scenario the burst from vial (strength) and the haste proc from rezans will outweigh the vers on use?
outer dew
what if you got on use mastery trinket with 3x bom
you get dangerously close to mastery cap
undone sun
Cap 
warm plinth
🤔 What mastery cap
warm plinth
Crit block cap barely affects the value of mastery. And even then it's only as a defensive stat
The value of mastery *as we use it
sick sentinel
because you are already critblocking every single attack
ghash you are talking about the 42,5% block, not the 100% one
austere oar
Damn the new trinket from 2nd boss feels good, it's like a lay on hands every 1 min
sick sentinel
and while you are at a point where you have 100% mastery, then the 42.5% is a thing
but because you can only reach that with a lot of mastery, triple bom and the mastery trinket
sick sentinel
that's the reason why the 42.5% is not a thing
and you can't maintain that
in something like argus, where it was possible to have 100% mastery for every scythe, then the 42.5% was very much a thing
warm plinth
So I guess I now need to clarify my statement for a very niche trinket/stat/trait combination
🙃
outer dew
LMAO
sick sentinel
tofu talked about 100% mastery
outer dew
i mean
warm plinth
Which I'm not gonna do because I type 800 billion words a day anyway
outer dew
i specifically stated that though
;P
what if we had 3x bom + on use mastery trinket
bahahah
sick sentinel
you jut talked about the wrong thing and I made a clarification
warm plinth
Yeah but Tofu mentioned that because I said that stats were irrelevant to trinket choice.
sick sentinel
TOFU IS A MEMER
warm plinth
I know. I just treated it as more than a joke because I confused it with the 42.5% thing that Kaege mentioned
umbral forge
It amazes me how intelligent kaege is sometimes
umbral forge
Maybe he should be a Warrior of Intelligence instead of a Warrior of Rage 🤔
outer dew
i mean
warm plinth
It amazes me how stupid I am regularly. Not even sure why people listen to me 🙃
jkjk
austere oar
Prolly bc of glimmer
outer dew
glimmer is fun
sick sentinel
yeah because you are the HPS's meters bitch
outer dew
but it's meh in m+
warm plinth
No orange role 🤔
undone sun
Ngl
sick sentinel
prot players don't get orange
undone sun
They get golden
sonic saddle
back to the query ofc I must add that my block value with K-rating or whatevs the calc is for M+ is at 43.77% without including the traits
sick sentinel
Hi guys, need some help about positioning on myth jaina.
Can't get, when she's use Freezing Blast on rdd (not on tanks)? And how to avoid it?
can't get what
warm plinth
How to avoid freezing blast on Mythic Jaina I'm guessing
sick sentinel
why she's using blast on range dd camp?
@sonic saddle you shouldn't care about your that, let the theorycrafters deal with it
2/3 times shes using it on tanks
sonic saddle
lol.. it felt oddly specific when the discussion went to crit blocking when am not even near mastery cap
is al
even with tripe bastion you need to have like 2000 mastery to go anywhere near cap and I was like huh
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel after avalance she will still cast it at the tank, so try to end your avalance where you want the cleave to go
@sonic saddle some people like tofu stack mastery and got the trinket from the new raid or the trinket from the tortolan WQs at really high titanforge
sonic saddle
man that's too meme-y
sonic saddle
lol
umbral forge
Kaege can I ask a potentially awkward question?
warm plinth
We go too much further and we might as well be Acherus 😢
umbral forge
Is Kaege a girl and suffering under PMS? She has seemed a bit off lately..
warm plinth
lol
sick sentinel
I am just sick you tard
@sick sentinel i dont understand in what case shes casting it not on tanks? or its randomly?
warm plinth
God Kaege, take your Midol
umbral forge
I now see why Kaege is upset.
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel she is still casting it on tanks, but sometimes you have to kite the avalance to the back of the boat
undone sun
Uhoh , using the r word 😰
warm plinth
Technically he used the t word
outer dew
lmao
undone sun
gets the same point across
outer dew
willow the kind of person
warm plinth
😉
sick sentinel
not even mine
#1 sub rogue on opulence
@sick sentinel no, sometimes shes casting it not in tanks, we're facing her to the back of boat but she turns on rdd camp and start casting blast
outer dew
i wish
i could be #1 sub rogue
imagine how memey opulence would be
if you had sub rogues from uldir
LMAO
the meters mang
sick sentinel
if you send me a clip or a log of it happening
umbral forge
Aim for #1 Sub instead.
sick sentinel
the difference being, zul was an actual hard boss to do properly
STOP PADDING THE CRAWGS
zul sucked
the only good fight in uldir was ghuun
umbral forge
I liked Fetid for the meme
outer dew
i think conceptually
umbral forge
The Fetid log. One of the guild tanks legit quit after reading it
outer dew
mother was fun
sick sentinel
imagine playing brm
and using your active mitigation
brm was great
you could eat dinner
in 2k19
while tanking a boss
outer dew
???
umbral forge
Yeah it was wild
sick sentinel
still not as great as vanilla ret paladin
sick sentinel
but you can't pad on adds if you are afk
old zephyr
have you seen that spriest opulence log?
sick sentinel
and you can't get massive B log values
old zephyr
200+ K dps OVERALL
sick sentinel
umbral forge
Guy spent days practicing and it was such an ego boost for him - finally something was done right by him. He was good at tanking. The fetid log ruined him and he legit started crying I felt pretty bad
umbral forge
No
sick sentinel
then why did he quit
umbral forge
I linked it to him
old zephyr
what was that fetid log about?
sick sentinel
a brm tanked fetid devourer basically afk
umbral forge
And he just went
warm plinth
Talking about the BrM one lol
old zephyr
ah right
umbral forge
"I'm.. im not good. The class is.."
warm plinth
Basically he did almost no ISB and did all purifies or some shit, proving that brew management wasn't a thing that actually had to be done. That's why ISB got nerfed.
Er not ISB. I think it was base stagger or whatever
sick sentinel
brm has a skill ceiling vertically parallel with the floor
sand condor
Damn
old zephyr
don't say that too loud
there is people in my guild that are asked to bring brews for that
warm plinth
Because they're bad and can't play any other spec right?
umbral forge
@sand condor thats why badumtis tries to raid on his warlock
sand condor
Ohshit
old zephyr
but since everyone (or mostly) is below average we tke everything w can
warm plinth
Gotcha
old zephyr
me as a Rdruid : Okay i'll handle 1st storm? you 3 other healers handle 2nd
1st go through, no death
2nd goes through a bit after (everyone was topped) 5 death...
sand condor
Kek
old zephyr
you got salvation, divine hymn, healing tide totem AND slt
just how
and devotion aura
umbral forge
They dont pop it pre-emptively maybe?
old zephyr
you don't really have to either
at least the priest/sham ones
druid you need to anticipate a bit (i failed that once, got everyone killed)
austere oar
A bit late but the fetid log was putting in evidence the flaws in the BrM mechanic where a BrM failing his entire mitigation ie. Not casting ISB and having like a 30% uptime on hits with it and still managed to get extremely close to a normal BrM doing things good and playing well in terms of damage intake, that questioned the whole kit of BrM as a tank
So blizzard nerfed the mitigation outside of ISB to fix the problem
outer dew
I mean tbf
If hes not main tanking its not bad
But it's also specific
One isb to cover two thrash
Same reason HR was strong for warrior for fetid off tanking
old zephyr
but warrior was better maintanking
marble cipher
Small note on the fetid BrM log (albeit, it does show the flaws of the design, and blizz is uncapable of "fixing" stagger without killing off the class), the healers were the real heroes in that log.
If a BrM fails to maintain his active mit and correct purifies, he'll often still live, but it's due to soaking up all the healing like a sponge 😄
median sierra
a brewmaster is also easyer to heal then other tanks considering there passive talent they have
verbal river
hey guys just started doing normal mythics and losing threat is a problem I’m noticing a bit, should I be tab target devastating?
old zephyr
one of the things with stagger is that it make HoTs overheal actually efficient
Are you playing unstopable force and using avatar/clap on CD?
verbal river
Yeah
marble oyster
some1 got the Best ignore pain weak aura?
old zephyr
you shouldn't really have issues then outside of mongo EYEBEAAAAAAMS dh
sick sentinel
mine is the best
marble oyster
gimme plz master
acoustic ocean
I got the 410 idol last night, but cant decide if it would be better to change out my socketed 410 rezan or my socketed 415 howler..or not swap out at all?
muted heron
At m+ how to I get agro if I don’t have avatar on 2 packs.
old zephyr
clap and revenge
muted heron
Yeah that’s what I did but my group complained a lot :S
old zephyr
even without avatar thy shouldn't really rip aggro
silk mortar
Unless you are majorly undergeared or they go in and blow cds before you even pull it shouldnt really be an issue
Hard to tell whats wrong
sick sentinel
@acoustic ocean sockets are way too good on trinkets fam
@muted heron you should plan your pulls accordingly
Do a big pack with avatar and then a small one after
Then on the next, avatar will be back up
spice ferry
^ big brain
sick sentinel
The actual big brain is different
If avatar comes off cd during the small pull
Chain pull
outer dew
Except that's a bad habit
You should never pull mid combat
You extend the combat without letting prepots to come up again
sick sentinel
Yes but
outer dew
Which drops dps like a mofo when you pushing
outer dew
Imagine being a disc priest during bursting
sick sentinel
You have to chain pull the entire dungeon
outer dew
You literally have to hate yourself for doing that
You know it's the worst as a paladin?
sick sentinel
You pull next pack so he can heal the damage from the previous one
outer dew
I beacon of virtue. Top everyone off on the 5 stack
And these dumb fucks extend it to 6
And now I have nothing
????
sick sentinel
LOL
Did you know that extending a 3 stack into a 4 stack
Is more damage than a 7 stack?
You only chain pull in certain situations - BL still running or CDs still running; multiple prio targets that you don't want to pull together so you chain pull them one after the other.
outer dew
Any extend is fucking autistic
pastel holly
quite outdated, but i am farming avatar myth for those shoulders - how should I engage that as only tank? SHould I charge avatar and pull maid directly in front of him or stand a bit away with maid on those lines on the bottom. Or does it not really matter at all nowdays?
outer dew
Moral of the story
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel I chain pull when I my rogue gets a 5 roll mid pull
outer dew
Get in a habit of dropping combat
outer dew
Even if you have list rolling
Lust*
A small drop let's your ass rogue re stealth. Healey start drink
Etc
sick sentinel
The most chain-pulling that I do is at the start of Motherlode - I pull double vendors then nuke those down and pull a third and a fourth
You can also chainpull when you know that your group doesn't pot LOL
outer dew
It's a really bad habit to not let comvst dro0
Lmao
Kaege
Ffs
I hate that it's TRUE
But then again
sick sentinel
My boomie was using prolonged power because he had no gold
You obviously want to drop combat after 2-3 (at most chain pulls) to get pots to reset and give your healer some time to regen
And we did a boost run to fund our pots
sick sentinel
But good practice instead of chaining is to position yourself to pull as soon as the previous pack is dead - move towards the next and save time that way. That's way more efficient in my opinion
outer dew
Yeap, that's perfectly fine
It's a good habit, gets dps and healer oriented
Yada yada
The amount of times though
sick sentinel
Again, you might want to consider chaining prio targets (Vendors, Bats in Underrot, Berserkers, etc). Those are ones I do chain to make the next pulls more efficient
sick sentinel
Just earth ele it LULW
distant crystal
i mean ideally shouldn't you be prepotting always in dungeons anyway, except i guess 2nd pots on tyrannical bosses
so the pot will already be cooling down even if you chain
just gotta stop chaining when pots are coming back up or for healer drinks?
dull coral
I take less damage from bursting/quaking when I shield wall and shit right?
ebon hound
Wall, spell reflect, ignore pain
stoic pilot
curious since im seeing routes for atal, there's an augur and a juggernaut to the left of priestess alun'za (blood pool boss) how do you single pull the juggernaut without aggroing the augur?
seeing routes with the juggernaut solo pulled without it tethering to the augur
spice ferry
I’ve never done it myself
But I’ve heard
That it’s like the mini boss after first in shrine
bleak snow
Somehow these linked groups are .... interessesting some times. Gildies managed to pull only one mob of linked groups in different ocasions;)
And than have a big wtf above their heads;)
sick sentinel
The way you pull only one at a time is when you tank the boss a bit closer to that side
You move the boss slightly in their direction until you manage to pull one
You don't have to tag them or anything, just move the boss to that side
hollow root
was this week dogshit to tank for anyone else or do I just need practice tanking lol
sick sentinel
No, it's a bad week
hollow root
okay good, but is fortified always as bad as it is this week? I feel like I'm not mitigating as much damage as I should be
to be less vague it was a +8 and i'm 402 ilvl
underrot
weary thorn
quacking 🦆 and bursting have a tendency to make you feel like you aren't mitigating correctly
and a lot of healers straight up hate bursting, so they stress out and are more likely to underperform which feeds into it being a dogshit week
hollow root
385 shield /sweats profusely
sick sentinel
yeah it's really
hollow root
haha shit, well I'll keep loot spec as prot for the weekly chest and hope I get a shield
otherwise might just cap conq because I've got a 400 shield waiting for me then
weary thorn
just make sure you run at least a weekly pug heroic BoD for champs
i'm still waiting for the mythic shield to drop, but it remains elusive
hollow root
will do, cheers
sick sentinel
Yeah run mythic champs if ur able too
sick sentinel
Speaking of champs, I finally got my 415 shield, great upgrade from a 400
Now I can waste rolls on them for a 425 socket leech shield
elder isle
guys , devastator or BV ? in current state of game
weary thorn
yea I need that 415 shield for m+, I'm currently fury for prog
@elder isle booming voice unless you are doing an st meme build
elder isle
@weary thorn most warriors around me run devastator so thats why I was asking
weary thorn
who are these warriors
final mist
Most warriors around you are wrong then.
weary thorn
^
elder isle
thanks for fast reply guys I appreciate that 😃
old zephyr
maybe they are meming on purpose
weary thorn
yea but that is having the same effect as people who meme nimchip with leech
people that arent in on the meme think its actually a good idea
timber nest
how come Vial sims so poorly for prot, but people are using it?
elder isle
I was just wondering if they do it for some dps purpose or what
weary thorn
@elder isle that would only be the case if they were building specifically for single target using devastator
elder isle
but BV is more viable overall right ?
weary thorn
absolutely
vial is big strength on demand, so you can tie it to cooldowns (although AM would likely throw off the sync). Also they might not have anything higher level worth replacing vial
weary veldt
is a 395 uunat bell better than a 370 gigavolt engine?
rough egret
For 19ML Diamond and Bell?
weary thorn
apple, sim it
weary veldt
i guess ye
probably better for surivabitlty
or maybe not
idk haste value converted to healing
timber nest
@weary thorn right not im using r.a.g.e, vial and r.a.g.e both have the same CD, and r.a.g.e is up for every other avatar. So it wouldnt throw it off that much, i just dont see anyone ever using r.a.g.e for parsing, almost always vial...
but it always sims lower than r.a.g.e
weary thorn
rage has build up
vial is the opposite
most would want that boost exactly when they press the button
not 8 seconds later for full effect
also rage is haste, vial is str
different purposes behind each
@weary veldt just looked at the bell, its got more str than the RAGE trinket, so I'd probably take it just for that. Unless you've been relying on the rage trinket for that haste on demand. Honestly though 25 ilvl is hard to pass up just for RAGE
weary veldt
ty
oblique garnet
What you want to do is grind to gladiator get that juicy 425 gladiator trinket which is million times better than vial because vial is only good for the first 2 claps
oblique garnet
I still need 35k ap and then im done
weary thorn
for 50 on your neck?
was it you that calculated it would take something like 30 hours of islands to get your last two levels?
oblique garnet
Yeah
That didnt inclue que times and was based on the fact that average island length would be 3 minutes which is true if pugs go mining
And didnt take into account doing ap wqs
weary thorn
ah, gotcha
oblique garnet
@weary thorn but then i did the math and it would take me 30 islands a day + ap sweep to get to 50 neck by next reset
modern brook
@sick sentinel how u gunna wake me up at 4 am on a Friday dude
oblique garnet
lul not staying up till 4 am
sick sentinel
I assume that nobody never sleeps
@weary veldt belt has a 20% less stat budget for that heal
It's really good
sand egret
dammit do I really need to kill Jaina in BoD to progress this war campaign?
oblique garnet
you can do it in lfr
sand egret
woof.
jovial haven
i have yet to do jaina in lfr just sounds like an alt F4 moment
get the last of the essences i need tonight to craft the 415 engi helm to hold me.til i get the residuum to gamble on one
sand egret
I just wanna do the damn story stuff and it's all like "but wait...first you must TRULY suffer"
weary thorn
look, if you aren't willing to beat your face on the ice wall for the storyline, then you just aren't worthy
sand egret
I am a Warrior of Rage, I do not care for silly Ice Wall theatrics..
weary thorn
fair enough
verbal river
im struggling real hard to keep aggro guys :\
astral crystal
what ilvl? are you running with people significantly higher than you? are you using avatar on CD? spamming tclap?
verbal river
okay man
sand egret
yeah it'll be a bit rough outside of your Avatar windows
astral crystal
but make sure you're checking off the basics
use avatar + demo shout to do dmg and keep aggro
heroic leap resets taunt cd in case you get in a bind
sand egret
just make sure to be liberal about your taunts and remember that Heroic Leap resets the cd on Taunt
jagged bay
hello have a nice weekend everyone and enjoy easter! 😃
sand egret
you too mate
daring marlin
weary thorn
just make sure to be *commie* about your taunts and remember that Heroic Leap resets the cd on gulag
ftfy
ornate wagon
so stacking Bastion of Might was a net dps increase from 3 x DC
sand egret
kinda expected imho
ornate wagon
I thought 3 x DC was the way to be a dps slut lol, but 3 x BoM got me over 20k overall in my test dungeon last night
weary thorn
i'm pretty sure the dps slut build is 3x bom 3x dc
ornate wagon
oh i wish
sand egret
3x DC is what people do in addition to 3x BoM
ornate wagon
im 3 x BoM 2 x IF 1 x DC
sand egret
mostly because the other options don't provide as much
(pure dps speaking)
I don't think it was ever a question of either BoM or DC stacking. 3x BoM and 1x DC is the staple, it's just a matter of optimizing the other 2 traits
weary thorn
I still dont even have 3 bom, im stuck at 2 right now
sand egret
yeah, im in that boat
jovial haven
same @weary thorn