protection

[autumn pendant]

My my

[sick sentinel]

if you don't show me your io right now I will curse your azerite rolls

@sick sentinel monkaS

[honest frigate]

Well seeing is different than actually doing @chilly brook, but that doesn’t mean I’m arguing for leech

[sick sentinel]

not even a bluff check I'm just curious @sick sentinel

I don't even entirely disagree with you tbh

[honest frigate]

Willow just look at top warriors and you will see it

[chilly brook]

I dropped my sub a long time ago and was only ever interested in Mythic raiding this xpac

[sick sentinel]

I just want someone to spoonfeed me a link

I'm on mobile and mobile site is so bad

[primal sable]

true

but i dont wanna post links cause thats rude

[autumn pendant]

There is long ass video with Marok , lala and sense talkinga bout leech

😃

[empty inlet]

show

[honest frigate]

Also, the question becomes at what point does self-sustain for a warrior make sense? If you look at last boss in UR where you can get back to back victory rushes, that’s actually self-sustain

[chilly brook]

And doing high keys is far more reliant on having a good group than anything you do individually in terms of stats @honest frigate

[autumn pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUCnYCWDL4o

[empty inlet]

all gear and theorycraft is pointlss

playing well > gear

😃

[sick sentinel]

^

Exactly what I'm trying to stress out

[empty inlet]

gear are litertly miminal gain

cept for shield

[chilly brook]

That’s not what you were trying to say

You endorsed sacrificing ilvl on rings for leech

[warm plinth]

No, you're not trying to stress that. You're trying to stress that leech is worth dropping ilevel

[sick sentinel]

Not sure if you missed it @chilly brook - pretty sure I said it twice - ilvl brings you up to a certain point

[primal sable]

what if his shield has leech

🤔

[chilly brook]

Yes I did see that

[sick sentinel]

yo did marok lose weight

[chilly brook]

Except that’s not how stats work

[sick sentinel]

@primal sable it actually does Pog

[primal sable]

i hate you dude

[sick sentinel]

LULW

[chilly brook]

Our stat weights still remain fairly close at high ilvls

[sick sentinel]

our boy looks so good

[chilly brook]

Hence why you prioritize ilvls over ideal stats

If we were back in legion you’d be correct

And we’d be dropping ilvl for haste

But uhhhh

We’re not in legion anymore

[autumn pendant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/568426632700887040/Screenshot_20190408-114137_Discord.jpg

😄

On serious note, leech is not worth dropping ilvl on any piece of gear

[charred ivy]

how many ppl run Bladestorm on oppulance?

[sick sentinel]

I've decided

I'm not anti-leech on rings

[chilly brook]

None of us are anti any stat

[sick sentinel]

this argument

[chilly brook]

But none of them are worth dropping overall stat gain

[sand condor]

leech is worth 25 itemleves right @umbral forge

[empty inlet]

https://gyazo.com/aa57d97d90f0cbba0f5da1bab0eb3acb

😃

[sick sentinel]

I'm not on your side

essentially

xd

[brisk ferry]

indestructible is a better stat on your sheilds than Leech

[chilly brook]

I mean the math has already been done

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

indestructible shield

never take damage

[brisk ferry]

well, never cost you all your gold

[sick sentinel]

blocks can't fail

[red wedge]

Wonder how Nim feels about that new essence that gives us 800 leech. ;p

[sick sentinel]

ask him

LULW

Pretty sure it'd be spicy

[autumn pendant]

cant tag nim . Did he leave or change name

😦

[primal sable]

he's still here

probably hiding

[red wedge]

He saw that new essence and just quit life.

[sick sentinel]

actually

[chilly brook]

I feel like being on this server is dangerous

[sick sentinel]

I know it's public thru search but still

[chilly brook]

It’s like every now again talking about the game will make me want to resub

And both times I have I never play because I just get bored

[red wedge]

My interest in the game always wanes mid-end tier.. It's starting to right now in this tier.

[umbral forge]

8.2 isn't doing a lot to help curb my enthusiasm for the game

[chilly brook]

Mythic raiding kept me going until my guild imploded

[umbral forge]

Dazar'Alor is a fantastic raid and I honestly love where the story is going, even if it's not.. good.

[chilly brook]

After that it was a quick jump off a cliff

[red wedge]

My guild is arguing internally over whether we should extend and push for CE or keep reclearing. I want to extend. They want to reclear. /sigh

Our raid is 414 average ilvl.

[chilly brook]

Yea my guild said it was gonna be a CE guild

Then I got kicked for getting pissed that we skipped Mythic two weeks in a row back in Uldir because one person couldn’t make it

[red wedge]

:/

[chilly brook]

They imploded less than a week later

I enjoyed the guild but stupid crap is stupid

[red wedge]

Yea

[umbral forge]

im curious Griff

what would you have preferred they do if they only had 19 people? Pug one?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[chilly brook]

People have a hard time separating feelings from business and imo when I’m raiding and giving time to a dedicated slot it’s business not personal

[red wedge]

pug or suck it up and do it, depending on the boss and raid ilvl

[sick sentinel]

all through mythrax was puggable

[red wedge]

You can do a mythic run with 19.

[chilly brook]

I mean we had a guy who could fill the spot though

In guild

[red wedge]

Fuck.. My guild during uldir did taloc, mother, zek, and vectis with 18 because we were having serious internal drama issues

[chilly brook]

And we had DPS we could have brought in as a trial to fill the slot he would leave by switching to tank

[umbral forge]

I see

that's just bad guild management then

[red wedge]

Doesnt mean you can't do bosses.

[sick sentinel]

It's almost like guilds that are serious about mythic should have trails and spotters

Huh

[chilly brook]

They wanted to do heroic because then they could bring in all the trials and trial them in heroic

[sick sentinel]

Why

[chilly brook]

Idk

[red wedge]

trial in heroic. 🤢

[chilly brook]

Like I said it was dumb

[sick sentinel]

U shouldn't be trailing heroic if ur trying to down mythic

[umbral forge]

I'd rather trial in LFR

[sand egret]

imho if you're a guild who cares to schedule people's time to do a thing, you should very much respect the time of the people you're asking to give up. But I dunno how guilds work nowadays in WoW /shrug

[sick sentinel]

@umbral forge not even wrong tho

[umbral forge]

only thing Heroic provides is an arena for people to execute their rotations when it's done by a mythic level guild

[red wedge]

My guild has been going through drama since pre-uldir.

[sick sentinel]

It's honestly a pain in the as to be a RL/GM

[chilly brook]

@sand egret that’s my point but apparently refusing to do heroic is an offense worth getting kicked for if you’re there for CE

[sand egret]

yeah I agree with you

[red wedge]

We're finally in a spot where there's little to no drama, but that was a process

[sand egret]

esp if you presented it in a respectful way.

if.

😄

[sick sentinel]

Listen man

[red wedge]

I used to be RL in my guild, but they drove me so insane I quit for 3 weeks and then came back as a trial during BoD

[sick sentinel]

Bullshit is the name of the game when it comes to guilds

[red wedge]

And I only came back because I have real life friends in the guild still

[chilly brook]

I just said “I’m not doing heroic tonight, we have enough people to do Mythic and if we’re not going to do Mythic I have better things to spend my time doing like catching up on homework”

[sick sentinel]

raiding in 2k19 OMEGALUL

[chilly brook]

2 seconds later I was gone

[sick sentinel]

Guild karma hit them hard

[sand egret]

tbh, Griff, sounds like they prob were looking to kick you anyway

stuff like that is often just the excuse

[chilly brook]

Apparently they were

But meh

[sand egret]

just wasn't the fit at the end

[chilly brook]

Not my problem that people get triggered over someone saying that we shouldn’t have adds ever single pull from the clouds on Zek’voz

[sick sentinel]

Having played for so long and been in all the roles of a guild, u get to meet some FUCKED up power hungry people

[sand egret]

i mean, I don't actually get that context, but that sounds bad O_o

[chilly brook]

Basically

[autumn pendant]

if you stood in cloud

you prob 99% wiped

[red wedge]

Oh my god @chilly brook

[chilly brook]

I took on somewhat of a leadership role in raid times

[red wedge]

That was when I started thinking about quitting.

[chilly brook]

GM told me to keep it up and that they were considering me for officer

[red wedge]

I was RL during that fight.. People were telling me we needed to save lust for when the add came out of the clouds.

[chilly brook]

Some people didn’t like it but never talked to me

[red wedge]

I wanted to break my computer.

[sand egret]

clouds like Yogg clouds?

[chilly brook]

Then they screwed me on the officer position and turned it into a popularity contest

[red wedge]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

Yeah

And in mythic get fucked

[red wedge]

dude.. I lost my shit on them so many times

[chilly brook]

And then I said screw it I’m just gonna look out for myself and bam gone

[red wedge]

"We always die when adds come out, we should save lust for it" "DONT STEP ON CLOUDS"

graraaaarargh

lol

[sick sentinel]

We had a god tier monk who timed the deaths of any of the swapn with rop

So it wouldn't trigger the aoe

[red wedge]

Nice

[sick sentinel]

But by that point we had zek on farm

[chilly brook]

But yea it was really odd, I’ve never understood people who won’t come to you and tell you that something you’re doing is bothering them or others

It’s like I can’t fix it if I don’t know

[sick sentinel]

Dude

I can tell u why

And it's the same shit ud hear if u work with higher up people

But it's typically, ur an asshole or u don't talk to no one or u think ur better then everyone

[chilly brook]

Probably the first one tbh

[sick sentinel]

Here's the thing, if u asked them why they think/or know that they never had an answer but "Well he sounds mad or angry when we are raiding /pvping"

It's like motherfucker, id be mad too if we wiped at p1 with only 10% off the bosses health

And that's real

[chilly brook]

Although to me if you didn’t interact with me outside of raid time that’s not on me

Cuz I was on a ton outside of it

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I my last guild I just left I barely talked to anyone because everyone had their little group they never got out of

And over time it's why I've stopped volunteering for anything, from being an officer, rl, rbg lead, etc. Because it's such a pain in the ass

[supple path]

Most guilds I've seen since coming back in Legion seem way more like collections of cliques than the old days where guildchat is running constantly,everyone knows everyone, etc.

M+ seems to fuel it in part - you get small clusters of people who don't want to have their runs tainted with the undesirables.

[sick sentinel]

Dude, half the drama from my last two guilds were because of that

It's like jfc, it's a game not highschool talk to people

Majority of the time Gchat was filled with questions about Professions more than anything

[chilly brook]

I mean I definitely became more of an asshole after I felt like I got screwed over

[brisk ferry]

ahhh professions, back when they mattered

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[supple path]

There's this whole weird social-mediaish thing where a certain percentage of players are more interested in attacking others to try to look cool than actually forming real connections with their guildmates.

[chilly brook]

^truth

There were hella toxic people in my guild but it was ok for them because they were “popular” and “cool”

[sick sentinel]

"Don't I look cool for be an ass"
No you don't

But oh well, that shit aint my problem, I got my 3/9 on my feral and got my 415, shield last night

So I can pug mythic until rise of the scallies(?) In 8.2

[supple path]

The lead scalie is explicitly the most beautiful woman in the world, you know!

[red wedge]

I mean. I want to run high keys, but almost no one in my guild cares to put in the effort to learn how to run keys. So I get sideways looks when I tell people I'm not taking them, or if I refuse to tank their 10 at midnight on Monday because they still need one.

[sick sentinel]

I like to tank a 10 just to flex my .io score and show how huge I am

[red wedge]

It's hard to not end up with those cliques when people look at things in such different ways.

lol I do the same some times. Just to go trash a dungeon for fun

or try out some meme spec

But I find completing high keys more fun than that. The challenge is what drives me.

[sick sentinel]

Also it's very relaxing to +10's when ur used to a +300

[supple path]

Yeah, different activities. Though I don't mind running guildmates through 10s. Even having a total failboat of a run can be pretty fun when you're all in voice.

[red wedge]

heh yea

[supple path]

And usually they KNOW they're bad if they've been avoiding M+ like a plague

[red wedge]

we have a couple key sell groups in my guild.

[autumn pendant]

@sick sentinel +300

teach me

[sick sentinel]

U do the Temple of Snen cheese

[red wedge]

Sell groups can be fun.

[supple path]

you'd need like...SIX outlaw rogues to do a +300.

[autumn pendant]

lol

Wind blows and you are dead there

Cockroaches would kill you

[red wedge]

I'm so sad. My guild makes me bring my bdk for mekka.

It's what we're doing tonight. /sigh

[chilly brook]

I miss legion DK

[red wedge]

An entire fight of me just being a grip bot.

Or I guess a Bot Grip Bot.

😛

[chilly brook]

Consumption was so badass

[sick sentinel]

Wait do u not have a druid in ur runs @red wedge

[red wedge]

We usually have 2-3 druids, and 1-2 monks

[sick sentinel]

Fire ur druids

[red wedge]

Yea. Typhoon, RoP, Roots.

Dont get me started. ;p

[sick sentinel]

FUCKING TYPHOON ON MEKKA

Like do ur druids know that they mass mass entangle AND normal roots?

[red wedge]

Yea, they do.

[sick sentinel]

The fuck u need a grip for then?

[red wedge]

But the problem is them rooting bots when they drop directly on the boss.

Because my guild doesn't do mechanics

;p

[sick sentinel]

Oh jesus

[chilly brook]

Lol sounds familiar

[sick sentinel]

Please don't tell me u have to announce buster cannon

[red wedge]

WE do

And people still get hit

Let me put it this way.

[sick sentinel]

[chilly brook]

Mythic Mek or heroic?

[red wedge]

We got to mekka the first time, i think, a month-ish ago?

We wiped 9 times on opulence last night.

Because people couldnt be bothered to drop orbs away from teh group because parses.

So we would lose 3-4 dps in the first few rooms of the gauntlet

Mythic

[chilly brook]

Any of them say that the guild should do heroic so that they can get more gear?

[red wedge]

No, but we're reclearing instead of extending because people think we need more gear.

[warm plinth]

Why do guilds publicly log on progression?

[red wedge]

our raid is 414 average ilvl

[chilly brook]

Cuz that was one I used to hear all the time from people who didn’t do mechanics

[red wedge]

I'm 419 equipped.

[chilly brook]

And back in Uldir the average was like 378 or something like that

[red wedge]

I'm so goddamn bored. lol

[runic plume]

didnt method kill jaina with 404 average?

[red wedge]

i just want to do progression, but we waste so much time trying to get people to parse on insignificant bosses.

[supple path]

The 425 ilvl cap is kinda weird, since you really don't need mythic loot to reach that.

[chilly brook]

So like it was literally not worth to people except for those like 2-3 people and they were pissed that I said go do it yourself on a pug

[red wedge]

All the top 100 kills on jaina were sub 410.

Pretty sure

[chilly brook]

Probably were

[supple path]

I need to get a unified equation of terrible DPS. Like "(Your guild's average ilvl) - (First kill average ilvl) / 4 = the number of DPS you're planning to be okay with dying on inc

[chilly brook]

Lol

[red wedge]

We have about 3 "carries" that die all the time to stupid shit.

We also just went through a lot of drama.. Had some internal issues with GM / Officers, and direction of guild. Ended up, essentially, reforming under a new name.

This was, like, two weeks ago.

[chilly brook]

Kick em all 🙃

Jk

[keen yacht]

anyone have tanks notes for cruicible?:D

[red wedge]

haha it crossed some peoples' minds.

[chilly brook]

Tanknotes.tk my guy

[red wedge]

^

[sand egret]

did Panth update them?

[chilly brook]

Literally copy pasta into your browser

[red wedge]

Looks like they're up to date.

[sand egret]

my man, that dude is a beast

i dont even raid and i love that site

[chilly brook]

I miss Antorus tbh

[red wedge]

Yea. It's the perfect example of how to write guides.

[honest canopy]

The crucible shit

Whats the purpise of The gimmick items?

[signal plover]

The relics?

[sand egret]

rewards or in the encounter themselves?

[red wedge]

The first fight, each boss will activate one based on their health %, and you deal with the mechanics.

The second fight, you use them to deal with the bosses mechanics

[chilly brook]

The relics do certain things to counter mechanics

[red wedge]

boss' mechanics, rather.

[chilly brook]

aka you need to pick them up to do the encounter correctly

[red wedge]

Yar.

[sand egret]

does "crucible shit" and "gimmick items" = relics or the item rewards you get?

[red wedge]

I actually enjoyed both those fights. They were fun for what they are.

[signal plover]

Man we butchered P3 of uuuuuunat so bad and still got a kill

I'm interested to see the mythic strats tho

We're just starting blockade in BoD but keeping an eye on CoS

[red wedge]

I just want that one trinket that lets me absorb allies' health

So I can try to murder someone in a dungeon

[signal plover]

Yo it doesn't work on lowbies sadly

Cotank got it

[red wedge]

Mm.. I dont care about lowbies. I just want to troll my healer in M+

;p

[warm plinth]

Damn, Blizz predicted my plan to kill all the bank alts in Stormwind

[red wedge]

haha

tbh, that's probably the first thing that one of the testers did when they created that item.

[warm plinth]

Lol yeah

[red wedge]

"Let's see who we can grief"

[chilly brook]

That’s what I would do 🙃

[signal plover]

I mean it's the first thing we thought of as well lol

[red wedge]

😄

[brazen sequoia]

415 gloves vs 405 crucible shield gloves?

[chilly brook]

Guy

Did you even read the guide?

Or #268491842637660160 ?

Because it answers the question

[outer dew]

Tbf

[brazen sequoia]

Didnt see it in there

[outer dew]

That one is an outlier

The shield for gloves is kind of interesting

[signal plover]

Cuz of the ol effecterino

[outer dew]

Think some goals were saying it's like 30% uptime or something huge

[signal plover]

Marok is bae tbh

[brazen sequoia]

Oh, alright

Same goes for belt I reckon

[signal plover]

Just scroll down in that same section mAh dude

[chilly brook]

TBH we probably have the best class guide out of all tanks

[outer dew]

Any guide is better than bears :^)

[chilly brook]

Lol

But you guys got Nihilo

[sand egret]

well..man was right about EW

jus' sayin'

[chilly brook]

You mean back when the guides said it wasn’t worth and he was runnin it?

[outer dew]

What about EW?

And druid discord is retarded

Lmao

[chilly brook]

Yea seemed like it

[outer dew]

The rdruid there tell you need X talent

[chilly brook]

Back when I was trying to keep a Druid as an alt

[outer dew]

But some of the top rdruids run thr trash talents

[sand egret]

early on it wasn't thought to be very good....and then people realized it provided a lot in M+...something he was saying (and was berated for) for a while because he did it in a "feely" way

[outer dew]

That they so proclaim

[chilly brook]

Guardian section felt like such trash

[outer dew]

I mean

I saw more problems with it even in a raid setting

No

No problems

[sand egret]

not absolving the guy, but in this case he was right

[chilly brook]

I noticed a huge difference using EW in m+ right away

[outer dew]

I wish IF was better

Ngl

[sand egret]

coming from a warrior, basic block seemed like a no-brainer tho

[outer dew]

I feel so squishy

This week is a depressing week for my bear

[brazen sequoia]

all weeks are depressive for bears

[outer dew]

Not really

[sand egret]

this guy

[signal plover]

Dude one of my biggest regrets is not getting swolebear skin from MT. Even though I never play a druid

[outer dew]

Last week was perfectly fine

[chilly brook]

I got all the tank skins from MT

It was like my one goal

[sand egret]

Tofu, I felt this week required me to time IF more so that usual

[outer dew]

This week theres not much you can do

[sand egret]

but that also was just trying to smooth shit as possible due to quacking timings

so I didn't get caught in a shitty point

[outer dew]

It's because quaking and bursting are all % hp

I was thinking as a healer

[signal plover]

I can't play my VDH cuz her slutmog gives me Viagra boner

[outer dew]

This is dog shit

[sand egret]

oh yeah

[outer dew]

Esp as a hpal

60k quaking tick ???

[chilly brook]

I love hpal

[outer dew]

That's one holy shock

[sand egret]

double % damage sucks 😦

[outer dew]

Like

And if the tank takes unnecessary damage

Or the dps does

It puts me beyond behind

[chilly brook]

@signal plover I’m choosing to believe that there’s no way you can be serious 🙃

[oblique garnet]

so this trinket it works with people who are not in party with you

[chilly brook]

But yea hpal is a healer where if you fall behind and have no CD available it’s gg

[oblique garnet]

So in theory i could go and kill low level people

[warm plinth]

Yeah. But @signal plover said it doesn't work on lowbies

[oblique garnet]

fuck

[sand egret]

it prob checks for honor/exp

so within +/- 10 levels I'd imagine it works

[outer dew]

So you run a full range comp

To use the trinket obc

Does it prio closet, enemies, etc?

[chilly brook]

I would assume so

[outer dew]

really

with the name indiscriminate

[chilly brook]

It’d be odd if it picked randomly in 15 yards

[outer dew]

i would of chose rng

lmao

[sand egret]

ain't wrong.....

[chilly brook]

Indiscriminate to me just means it works on allies and enemies

Like it says

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[outer dew]

exactly

so it wouldn't prio enemeies

or allies

lmao

just let it up to fate

[chilly brook]

Right but I would think it prioritizes closest targets

[outer dew]

i'd be fine with that prob

[sand egret]

unless a rogue is < 10% hp within 15 yards

[chilly brook]

Lol

[sand egret]

Give me bonus healing if it kills the target.

[chilly brook]

“Hey cloak cuz I’m about to use my trinket”
“Why?”
Rogue dies to 8k from ally

[sand egret]

You wont, Blizz.

[chilly brook]

U right they won’t

[supple path]

A return to the glorious days of getting a victory rush proc for killing a charmed ally.

[signal plover]

@chilly brook about the VDH? Idk man it's a weird sensation

[chilly brook]

Yes

[signal plover]

I legit haven't touched it since the intro story in legion

The character not mAh weener

[chilly brook]

Lul

I really hope 8.2 makes vengeance actually good

[valid knot]

So anything actually good from the new raid for us?

[sand egret]

Trinket is solid

[supple path]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-gear-best-in-slot tl;dr belt + trinket good

[sick sentinel]

Not a fan of the belt tbh

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't use the belt either. Seems awfully niche to me.

But it does say "from a survivability standpoint" so

[sick sentinel]

True, you rarely drop under 50% hp in a situation where everything is okay with the group

[chilly brook]

This class makes me wanna die

[sick sentinel]

That belt on DKs tho PogU

[chilly brook]

Definitely don’t think I’m gonna go into news

[oblique garnet]

does lfr bosses give 450 ap like normal bod boss?

[inland mesa]

I kinda want the DPS trinket for more BoM type mastery XD

[warm plinth]

@oblique garnet Watching a video of first wing of LFR for BoD and this person hasn't gotten any Azerite from 1st two bosses

[oblique garnet]

yeah

it didnt

so i have to actually do pug normal

49 neck !!

[rough egret]

I got Idol boys 😄

but im dissapointed beacues I wanted gift..

😄

[dense flame]

You grinding for a reason late?

[oblique garnet]

its flashfire brew week

[dense flame]

Or just to be done till 8.2

[oblique garnet]

i get it done this week so ill be done till 8.2

[dense flame]

Ah

I see lol

Guess better than doing pepega keys

Usage of time*

[digital frigate]

Hello.

Sometimes when I pug and go to clap city, I get harassed about my damage by mages. How can I tell them that they're inferior?

[valid knot]

Idol seems like a fun trinket actually, for raid atleast

[brisk ferry]

Just link the meters to the party

Try to highlight just how terrible that mage is

[digital frigate]

OK thank you

[graceful cobalt]

hi guys i got the Hands on new raid. so wich trinkets alchimist stone 415 with rezan or alchimist stone with opulenz trinket that give me an absorb

[strong forum]

Rezan + diamond tbh

Alchemist stone is nice, but rezan and diamond are literal bis

[graceful cobalt]

ok thx

[brisk ferry]

I'm so confused. Why do the gloves have any impact on your trinket choice?

[strong forum]

Kek

Idk if you're joking or not brostra

[graceful cobalt]

becouse i didn´t know if the shields stack or diamant above the gloves

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't be using gloves if they're not a 15 ilevel upgrade

[grizzled light]

Any thoughts on taking never surrender this week? those maggot reapings in waycrest were just destroying me so fast with stacks

[potent anvil]

How does one relate to the other? The stacks from reaping in waycrest would stack pretty fast regardless of the week. But you shouldn't take NS anyway. You can always shockwave into spell reflect after a dispel so you delay the stacks just a bit longer.

[ocean acorn]

ya we actually have some pretty good dools to delay it

SR on the dot works really well

[grizzled light]

didn't know that, still pretty new to warrior, thanks for the info!

with Sr on the dot that is

and i thought maybe the bigger IP would help deal better with the dot between dispells

[ocean acorn]

ya it ticks every 2 seconds

[grizzled light]

and maybe? more ip would help with burstings

but bolster it is

[austere oar]

for NS to be fully optimized you'd need to be 0% hp

[potent anvil]

Most of the time the healer should be able to keep you topped during reaping. Reaping itself isn't dangerous. Just as long as you get dispelled properly, shouldn't be an issue.

If anything you have free uses of victory rushes during reaping too

Or you should anyway, since you can get killing blows quite often

[ocean acorn]

oh man i have been using bury the hatchet

its pretty good sometimes

[fossil heron]

having just 1 BTH is so nice imo

[sand egret]

the times reaping seems scary always seem to line up when my healer doesn't dispel the DoT basically on cd.

[grizzled light]

I'm finding my self pretty low after a bursting when the reap comes and it just seems to be too much

[austere oar]

either you have a mitigation/gameplay problem or your healer cant keep you up

[sand egret]

clap to VR baby. those maggots die in like a clap haha

[austere oar]

not a talent problem

[ocean acorn]

on WCM i had a couple times where i was beating the healer on HPS during reaping

cuz of bury

[fossil heron]

shockwave and leap away in emergencies is my goto

[sand egret]

WCM as Prot is so good

[grizzled light]

there were a few where id have wall and demo shout on all the reaping and still go down.

[sand egret]

yu get Tree Boi to just fucking flex on

[fossil heron]

if you die to reaping with wall and everything up

[sand egret]

sounds like you have a dispelling problem

[fossil heron]

either your healer is not dispelling ever

[sand egret]

or you're standing in smashes lol

[fossil heron]

or youre stepping in shadow smash

[grizzled light]

no smashes im not that bad sheesh

[sand egret]

Oh I say that too

until I step in a smash

.<

[grizzled light]

lmao

we've all done it

[supple path]

I'm far too busy standing in these green swirly circles to get hit by smash.

[grizzled light]

i just always tell them i was reflecting it.....

maybe im getting dispelled too early?

cause it went down multiple times through wall on the reaps, i started saving it for them (no smashes)

[supple path]

Honestly if you're seriously having survival issues on reaping, your best bet is to pay really close attention to your healer's dispel CD and kite a bit if you're on target to get a huge stack before it's back up. But you shouldn't regularly have issues.

Outside of the debuff, reaping is completely self-healable with victory rushes typically.

[grizzled light]

that was the first time i've ever had this sort of problem

and itd always be cause i had 18-20+ stacks of the debuff and its just clap me real hard

[supple path]

My guess would be you got the perfect storm of a group with poor dispels, poor stuns/etc., and low DPS.

[grizzled light]

monkaS

this week is also not fun at all

[supple path]

Though if your group is like fucking up bursting and entering into a reaping with a large stack your healer's gonna have a bad time.

Same deal with how reaping suddenly gets hard when everyone in the group has a maxed out grievous

[fossil heron]

i cant wait for next week

20 mob pulls in 13-15s

[supple path]

Oh we're finally back to tyran/raging/volcanic next week

[fossil heron]

yea

which means 0 affixes

[supple path]

farm your scores so you can act like you're a raider.io allstar everyone

[fossil heron]

gonna get 2k on 3 diff chars hopefully

[grizzled light]

We'd usually have a 4-5 stack bursting going into our reapings too so that may have don eit

we only missed by a couple mins considering how much scuff we had on the reaps

[mellow bridge]

I got enough residuum to buy a 7k specific piece

what would you lads recommend I replace for purely m+?

I checked the icyveins guide but honestly I'm not even sure which one I should be replacing atm

or what the best combination would be

too many choices lol

[mortal brook]

try the azerite droptimizer

[mellow bridge]

oh what's that?

[fossil heron]

premium only isnt it

[mortal brook]

oh. probably

lets you run sims against all the azerite vendor pieces 😄

[warm plinth]

@mellow bridge What you have already is important to give an educated response. One might be better if you have x traits on another piece

[fossil heron]

personally id replace helm

[supple path]

Helm of abyssal malevolence is the only azerite item off vendor that I consider to have 4 BiS traits - though that may not hold if you don't like DC for memeclaps

[mortal brook]

shop for that perfect BoM/DC/OP or BoM/IF/OP piece 😄

[supple path]

DC/BS + BoM + OP + IV

[mellow bridge]

@warm plinth I showed my three current pieces in the pics

[fossil heron]

your helm has callous reprisal/treacherous cov on 2nd ring

and DC on first ring

id change that

[warm plinth]

Oh I thought those were the ones you were looking at getting. My bad

[mellow bridge]

Nah I got those 3 and I'm wondering which azerite vendor piece would be the biggest upgrade

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I agree with Baker.

Get rid of the one with Reprisal/TC on 2nd ring

[mint adder]

Those azerite pieces are great for m+

[mellow bridge]

is having a 2nd DC trait good dps wise for m+?

[mortal brook]

pure dps, yes

[mint adder]

It is

[mellow bridge]

like looking at the Helm of Abyssal Malevolence (which is recommended in the icyveins guide), I'd trade TC for another DC trait

is that worth it?

[fossil heron]

personally im a fan of soulspun casque, IF, Bloodsport, OP/siphon and impassive

[mellow bridge]

but then I lose my BoM clapping

[fossil heron]

Do you have any other shoulders available?

[mellow bridge]

These

[fossil heron]

then i suppose abyssal malev is the best choice

since youre also gaining an OP and an impassive over Heed/gemhide

which imo is quite good

[mellow bridge]

thanks for sharing your opinion

[sick sentinel]

Abyssal Malev is great

[mellow bridge]

I'm simming rn as well

Cant sim everything at once sadly since no premium lol

so far Abyssal Malevolence would be the biggest dps upgrade at least

gotta sim chest still

Apparently I should buy this https://gyazo.com/27abafa196f9f5dec7027634a3e064e1

and take BoM and Meticulous Scheming

that does not seem right to me

[fossil heron]

what is 3rd trait on ashvane

[mellow bridge]

OP as well

so both would have op

[fossil heron]

yeah but its helm vs chest

but i guess if youre purely looking for damage

i think your chest with IF/BoM/strength in numbers is already good

Also you have to get 3 stacks at a good moment for meticulous scheming to do much

idk the proc rate for it

[mellow bridge]

I just dont understand how the difference can be that big apparently

the helm gives me +520 dps

the chest +5k?

[fossil heron]

yeah cause meticulous vs iron fortress

changing a defensive for an offensive

[sand egret]

meticulous is really strong now

[fossil heron]

is it?

[mellow bridge]

ah and for the helm I'm swapping dmg trait for dmg trait

so the diff isnt as big

[fossil heron]

yea

[sand egret]

went from like a 22-25% uptime to like 35%

[umbral forge]

Meticulous Scheming was changed lately

[sand egret]

and it's a lot of haste

so it's actually a defensive benefit in that regard

[umbral forge]

Might be some coding errors in the sim cause of how recent it is

[sand egret]

I'd take it over IF

[umbral forge]

So you could wait 2-3 days then sim again

[sand egret]

esp if you're sporting a decent shield in M+ (only looking at M+ btw, I don't raid)

[mellow bridge]

yea I'm only looking at m+ as well rn

got 415 shield from 1st boss bod with gem

I guess imma wait a few days then and sim again just to make sure

dont wanna waste 7k residuum lol

[sand egret]

MS just got buffed, making it a pretty solid trait. It's a large amount of haste and the "trigger" condition is basically a non-factor

as, assuming you're actively playing your warrior, you should be hitting 3 different abilities within the window at a given moment.

[mellow bridge]

I sure hope I'm playing my warrior correctly 🤔

[sand egret]

yeah, I mean going off of sims is one thing, but MS especially is a trait that you kinda need to play with. Haste does offer a lot more than a sim would indicate. That being said, IF is solid but I think I'd take the burst of haste personally.

[mellow bridge]

"but MS especially is a trait that you kinda need to play with." I mean is there anything specific I would be doing with the trait? It's just a bunch of haste, dont think it would change much in the playstyle?

Or what do you mean

[sand egret]

Well, there is the activation condition, for what that's worth. The other thing is playing with how haste affects your gameplay

unlike the other stats, it's got knock-on effects to the rest of your play. Faster SB uptime, tighter gcd, more rage, etc.

[valid knot]

Is the icy veins list for bis azerite pieces correct? Shouldnt i just go x3 bom x3 clap? 😂

[sand egret]

what's your logic behind that?

[valid knot]

Dmg

M+

[mellow bridge]

yeah I don't think I struggle with any of that bladesong so it should be fine for me

Anyway thanks for the help again, Imma sim in a few days just to make sure it's not wrong and then I'll make a decision

[sand egret]

IV guide is written with survivability in mind

[fossil heron]

elemental whirl vs blood siphon?87 mastery 40 leech

[sand egret]

you already know the meme damage recipe, so if you just wanna meme damage then that's the ticket!

[valid knot]

Well aint max dps optimal for high keys aswell?

[mellow bridge]

Is it really meme dmg if it makes you a big boi clapper

@valid knot max dps as long as you can survive

you need to hit a baseline survivability

sometimes that can even end up doing more damage because you can pull bigger or facetank longer etc

especially on harder weeks

[valid knot]

Well im at 1k rio, im shit

[fossil heron]

next week gonna be fun

as many boms and claps as i can

[valid knot]

Wanna get 2k atleast, maybe i should look different at traits

[mellow bridge]

like in the top 20 prot warriors or so you see a shitton of diamond prism trinket from opulence

a purely defensive choice

but it allows you to deal more damage in the end probably

[valid knot]

Well i i dont have it

[fossil heron]

i have 425 vial and 415 gorecrust.. as a tank

[mellow bridge]

just an example to show you it's not all about big damage

[fossil heron]

big avatar damage though

[mellow bridge]

altho big dmg is obviously important

holy you got some good trinkets baker

[sand egret]

so, here's the thing. tanks in the high end build for damage because they already know what they can /can't take. Optimization is for players who already know what they're doing. If you're coming in here asking for advice, honestly, you're probably not at that spot.

[fossil heron]

also got a 405 rezan with socket

[mellow bridge]

sitting on 410 rezan and then either 405 gorecrust or RAGE

still not sure which one is better lol

[fossil heron]

but im stuck on 400 wep/shield in prot set

[mellow bridge]

oof

[fossil heron]

400 shield hurts my block

pretty bad

[sick sentinel]

my shield is 405 as well

feels bad

[mellow bridge]

@sand egret idk maybe I'm just a dumb player, but personally I'm sitting at ~2.3k and I have no idea how to optimize further

which is why I'm asking here lmao

[sand egret]

which is totally fine

[fossil heron]

are you pugging at 2.3 or with a premade group

[mellow bridge]

pugging mostly

[sand egret]

but you're just one case in the sea of "OMG BUILD DAMGE?" when they're doing like +10s

[mellow bridge]

sometimes 1-2 friends and then we fill with pugs, often full pug tho

[sick sentinel]

the good players you pug

[fossil heron]

add the good ones

[sick sentinel]

yeah add them on battle net

[mellow bridge]

yea I do that sometimes

I found a group a while ago to play with but idk

just kinda stopped playing together

now I haven't played properly in like 2 weeks, gonna try to push next week since it's a fun week

and hopefully I find a proper group finally lol

and ngl playing with that grp I had less success than when I pugged 🤔

Anyway if anyone needs a giga mediocre tank on EU for M+ hit me up Kappa

[sick sentinel]

good luck saying that in the prot channel

[sand egret]

yeah, we have wayy too many mediocre EU tanks here

heyooo

[warm plinth]

5 prot run recruitment obviously @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

@mellow bridge are you horde?

Guys pls don't encourage tank dps

Stop giving misinformation

When leech is the right build

[chilly brook]

You right

We needa run leech

[sick sentinel]

^

[soft kindle]

As long as no one is chatting shit with the 3x DC crap

[sick sentinel]

NIPCHIP DIED FOR YOUR SINS

[warm plinth]

😢

[chilly brook]

3x Bloodsport for max leech

[warm plinth]

RIP Nimchip

[sick sentinel]

Yea and I can hear the grave rumblings

[chilly brook]

wtf happened to Nim

[sick sentinel]

He was bfa'd

U figure that one out

the leech memes went too hard

[chilly brook]

So he rage quit the game

[desert gust]

Leech will always live on

[sick sentinel]

But also since we were nerfed we have to stop using BoM and go CR and BsC

Leech will live a long healthy life since the devs don't have to think anything gems and sockets anymore and are on the verge of deleting JC

INR somebody went ahead and tested it

not worth

with current essenses

Oh wow really

@worthy dagger you did the revenge build on PTR right?

Is the difference noticeable?

[mellow bridge]

@sick sentinel ya im horde

[valid knot]

Im confused, what should i go for beside x3 bom in m+?

And 1 DF

[sick sentinel]

depends on your options, your gear and the level of mplus you are doing

[sand egret]

3x BoM and 1x DC is a good shell.

[sick sentinel]

the last 2 traits can be legit anything and there is so much that goes to it that I just can't give you a general answer

if you still want a general answer and don't give a shit, the safest bet is to get 2 IF

[sand egret]

I'm sitting with 2x BFI myself but that's muh RNG

[sick sentinel]

@mellow bridge we want to do something super fucking stupid, are you in?

2xBFI is pretty good

[umbral forge]

Stupid?

[sand egret]

yeah i'm liking it, good to shore up some of my ST

I'd love to fuck with 2x MS

[valid knot]

I can go x3 bom x1 df x2 IF, if i want but i run x2 df and 1 IF atm

Maybe i should go back to x2 IF

[sand egret]

you mean DC?

[valid knot]

Yeah sorry

[sick sentinel]

I would personally go back to 2 IF

if what you are missing to complete the key is damage

[sand egret]

yeah i'd go back to 2x IF as well

[sick sentinel]

then your dps are super slacking

[sand egret]

^

[sick sentinel]

or you are doing 23s

[umbral forge]

@sick sentinel what stupid stuff are you about to do?

[valid knot]

Ok nice, ty

[sick sentinel]

+20 with 5 prot warriors

[sand egret]

that sounds fun...

what key?

[warm plinth]

Has to be FH I would think

[sand egret]

yeah but quacking just makes that sound not fun

esp if one of the warriors got all the VR procs

.<

[warm plinth]

Next week would make more sense

[sick sentinel]

not this week obv

[warm plinth]

Raging cold

[sick sentinel]

probs like next week

[warm plinth]

Volc

[sand egret]

its raging volc?

[sick sentinel]

it's @oblique garnet 's idea

[warm plinth]

Next week is I believe

[sand egret]

oh nice

I really need to work on my SotS pulling in pugs, I'm really bad at it

I can prob be way more efficient on the starting part

[sick sentinel]

sots is super free

after first boss

[sand egret]

this is assuming no skips, mind you

[sick sentinel]

wait what

no blade

[sand egret]

it's not a "no" thing, that's my criteria

[sick sentinel]

I skip 4 times in shrine

[sand egret]

i'm very well aware you can skip that shit

[sick sentinel]

and 1 reaping skip as well

[oblique garnet]

hm?

[sand egret]

what I'm asking is improving my times without it

[sick sentinel]

@hollow rapids

👋

+20 all prot next week

[oblique garnet]

mby

you tagged wrong late btw

[sick sentinel]

LOL

it's fine idc

[umbral forge]

Sounds fun. Who'se joining?

[sick sentinel]

idk

[sand egret]

dks?

woowwwww

and here I thought you were a Prot guy...

[sick sentinel]

oh for fucks sake blade

[sand egret]

hey you said it

[oblique garnet]

soon 50 neck : )

[sick sentinel]

I just got 49 neck today

[oblique garnet]

i went from 46-49 in 2 days XD

[sick sentinel]

it's complete fucking irrelevant if you are over 48

[brazen sequoia]

Got the belt as a 425 titanforge.

[sick sentinel]

@brazen sequoia huge

[warm plinth]

It’s good

[brazen sequoia]

very much so. My old belt were 405!

[sick sentinel]

it has the 80% of the stat budget

so the effect is worth 20% of the stats of a belt

I would take that trade every single day

[warm plinth]

Not gonna lie I’d still wear something else if I had it at same ilevel

[sick sentinel]

depends on content

I would

[sand egret]

maybe you lie then? BE LIKE THE BELT AND SUPPORT THIS PROT, Ghash!

[brazen sequoia]

I also got the gloves (belt on bonus roll), but they didn't titanforge so they went to someone else who had trash offspec

[sick sentinel]

gloves are shit

[umbral forge]

Ghash remember the pala from yesterday

[ivory barn]

i wish I could find a fun ranged class to play. my fury warrior needs a break every now and then. starting to dislike hunter/mage

[warm plinth]

Dude that guy

What a weirdo

[umbral forge]

Im still confused

[brazen sequoia]

im not weird 😦

[sick sentinel]

he called GG a weirdo

[warm plinth]

I’m having a blast with ele sham @ivory barn

[brazen sequoia]

xD

[ivory barn]

i might have to give that a try

[sick sentinel]

ele shaman feels garbage to play IMO

[warm plinth]

No there was some paladin who came in here and when we told him he was in the wrong prot channel, he said he was a warrior of light. Then started going off about justice and shit

[sand egret]

omg

sounds like my hero

[umbral forge]

Just search Warrior of light

[sick sentinel]

brb

[warm plinth]

Yeah literally no one else has used that combination of words. I’m sure of it

[sand egret]

and he's got the american flag icon

LOVE IT

[warm plinth]

Yep lol

[brazen sequoia]

when you're a warrior by heart but guild forces you to play paladin, lol

[warm plinth]

Haha haha

[sand egret]

I'm now referring to myself in the 3rd person as Warrior of Rage

[umbral forge]

Excellent

[sick sentinel]

ok that was weird

[warm plinth]

We told you

What don’t you like about ele kaege?

[sick sentinel]

it just feels worse than it used to feel

like in the past

[sand egret]

let me guess, LB feels too clingy?

BADUM TISS

[sick sentinel]

frost mage feels worse though

[sand egret]

makes you feel all numb inside?

[sick sentinel]

no it makes me angry

[sand egret]

that's fury warrior

[sick sentinel]

like

there is the right way to play it

and there is way to play it that feels right

if optimal play feels wrong

[sand egret]

get that chill down your spine feel?

[warm plinth]

Frost is boring in general though. Literally the only time I have fun on that spec is when I cast Frozen Orb, and when I cast Glacial Spike

So for like 2 seconds every 45 seconds, I feel alive

And the rest I'm just depressed

[sick sentinel]

I play frost with themal void because CBA learning to play spike

[warm plinth]

Spike is super easy to play. It's just a dumb mechanic.

You have to get a Brain Freeze proc, then Spike>Flurry (so Winter's Chill hits before Spike lands)>Ice Lance

It's super weird

[sick sentinel]

I know how it works

[umbral forge]

Ele Shaman would be amazing if lava bursting someone with flame shock on would cause flame shock to spread, like Lava Lash did in the past.
Then maybe if you lava bursted it'd hit everyone around the target. It'd be balanced to do about as much damage as now, rotation is just a lot more fun than CL CL CL EQ on repeat

[sick sentinel]

I just don't care enough to play it

[warm plinth]

I was just providing context for those who might be reading this and don't know

[sand egret]

So, would you say that Glacial Spike is just icing on the cake then?

[warm plinth]

Blade

I swear to jesus

[sand egret]

well im getting no where with these Euros

[warm plinth]

I can't with you today

[umbral forge]

Ghash, are you about to yeet his puns?

[sick sentinel]

I am trying my hardest to ignore his puns

so he stops

[sand egret]

is it painful for you?

[warm plinth]

I think he's cracking himself up enough that he doesn't need outside approval

Like he's probably actually laughing out loud right now

[sand egret]

can confirm. lotta weird looks in this meeting.

[warm plinth]

I do that shit all the time. My girlfriend will look over at me cackling like crazy and then she realizes I'm laughing at something I said

[umbral forge]

I guess this is your punishment for that

[sick sentinel]

I do that all the time lol

[warm plinth]

Anyway, I like ele. Love getting those sexy chain EQ procs

And the animations are top notch

[sick sentinel]

when I tell a joke people do not laugh with the joke

they laugh with me laughing

[warm plinth]

I knew there was a reason I liked you guys

I thought I was alone

[mellow bridge]

Ya'll a bunch of weirdos

[umbral forge]

Kaege is the human Big Bang Theory

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah, dont' they say that the only reason people laugh at that show is because the laugh track laughs?

[sand egret]

that is not true

I am a Warrior of Rage.

[mellow bridge]

Bbt is legit so unfunny

Never understood why it was so popular for a bit

[warm plinth]

I haven't really watched it but I've seen clips of it that I laughed at.

[mellow bridge]

I guess cuz it was pseudo intellectual humor?

It has a few good jokes ghash

[warm plinth]

It's kind of a dumber version of Frasier. People laughed at Frasier because they wanted to appear like they got the joke, when most people actually didn't.

[mellow bridge]

But like take a 20 min ep

[umbral forge]

https://youtu.be/jKS3MGriZcs
Ghash, here

[mellow bridge]

There's maybe 1-2 funny minutes and the rest is one big yikes

[warm plinth]

Alright, I'm gonna watch this. And I'll be honest if I laughed or not

[sick sentinel]

imagine watching bbt unironically btw

[mellow bridge]

That was actually disgusting to watch LOL

[warm plinth]

So I did laugh at one part. But tbh I feel like they chose the absolute cringiest scene to do that with

[sick sentinel]

tbf that is not fair

[umbral forge]

Literally just search for othees

Others

[sick sentinel]

because they leave pauses in for the laugh track

so without the laugh track is like awkward silence

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I felt that too haha

I don't feel like it really makes sense that the laugh track makes people laugh though. If the laugh track happens when people would normally laugh, then I'm not going to hear the laugh track if I'm laughing, since I would have laughed at the same time.

[sick sentinel]

well

no

hearing/looking at somebody laugh makes you wanna laugh

[umbral forge]

It's basic brain washing

[sick sentinel]

that's like super basic stuff

[sand egret]

honestly that video is hilarious because you can still hear the track but its also getting cut out. Like there's some dude in the audience who's just on everyone's case when a joke is made like "YO CHILL, NO FUCKING LAUGH. LOOKING AT YOU DENISE!"

[warm plinth]

Well yeah, I know that Kaege. But if I'm in the context of watching the same comic as someone else, and I laugh before everyone else, then obviously I thought it was funny.

[umbral forge]

However you will hear other people laugh and ape brain will go "more people laugh. The pack laughs so I laugh too" meaning it'll appear funnier to you

[sand egret]

laughter also generates a mood, which is often what sitcoms need to do as context is hard to build in these single shots

a lot of the laugh track is actually setting context

[warm plinth]

Oh well. Regardless of why I laugh, i'm having fun/enjoying myself. And that's what matters.

[sand egret]

and less about specifically attempting to promote the funniness of the joke

no, your opinion is false and you are wrong and you shall have no fun. Warrior of Rage has spoken..

[umbral forge]

No no

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=291294/blizzard-on-the-vision-of-perfection-essence-in-rise-of-azshara?webhook/blizzard-insight-on-vision-of-perfection-essence-in-rise-of-azshara

:)))))

[umbral forge]

Youre correct ghash

[sand egret]

I like that response

way better than "we fucked up, removing the CDR part"

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm actually okay with that response

[sand egret]

good to see they're going to try and make it work

instead of just knee-jerking it away

as, the design is quite fun

[warm plinth]

So if they do what was mentioned, when we had an Avatar proc, we'd only get 40% of the mastery/IP that BoM would normally provide.

[sand egret]

that or at 40 or whatever % duration

[warm plinth]

Well I think it's already shortened in duration. It shows the normal duration but actually drops when the proc ends.

[sand egret]

guess it depends on the proc, they used RA as an example which is a non-duration event

[warm plinth]

Yeah

I'm just relieved that it's not just gonna get gutted

[sick sentinel]

it's 50%

[sand egret]

but I can see them going with partial value...interesting to see how they scale down the different abilities (like they mentioned for Infernal)

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[torn sleet]

after the nerf to unstoppable force, is it still worth running 3x bom and 3x dc?

[undone sun]

Ofc, the nerf isn't enough to rock the boat

[shell bone]

I just checked the pins but I dont see this listed, sorry if this is a silly question but is there a list of notable mob or boss attacks that shield reflect works on in m+?

[warm plinth]

It's in #268491842637660160

[shell bone]

Thanks!

[warm plinth]

No problem 😃

[chilly brook]

Last I heard the nerf is like a 6% damage nerf

Overall

Which is basically nothing

Granted that’s what I heard, haven’t actually done any fact checking etc.

[neon tangle]

6% ST

10%, maybe a little more for dungeons

[sand egret]

pretty sure some Marok guy said it, wack ass busta.

[hollow thorn]

Mark pinned it

Not pinned anymore tho

[sand egret]

I see it there ?

[umbral forge]

I see it

I guess only warriors of rage can see it

[sand egret]

true

[hollow thorn]

Oh it was just all the way dowb

[warm plinth]

I see it too. Guess I'm in the brotherhood

[undone sun]

Bottom most pin, old ones got removed

[sand egret]

Warriors of Rage see the truth

[chilly brook]

So it’s basically a nothing nerf

[umbral forge]

Hi Matt

[chilly brook]

Hi

Just to appease the whiners I suppose

We see anything about the actual Vengeance changes yet?

[sand egret]

in terms of what?

other than what was posted?

[chilly brook]

Vengeance was supposed to be getting changes with 8.2

I haven’t been keeping up with anything specific

[sand egret]

they got baseline 5% dr on their passive and 20% armor from it as well and DS got clipped

[potent anvil]

The VDH buffs aren't even buffs.

[undone sun]

As the other changes,they aren't huge

It's just a change so far

[potent anvil]

Still paper on ptr

[undone sun]

To smooth out the difference on DS and no DS

[sand egret]

oorr just wait for ol fancy fingers Thyme with the screenie lol

[chilly brook]

So basically not even worth me looking at

[undone sun]

Welcome to current ptr

[chilly brook]

That’s really crappy

I mean fixing DH should be super simple

Increase uptime on spikes

Ez

[oblique garnet]

Nono

Cant have that

[undone sun]

That's not their main issue either, also this is barely the first round of ptr

For something that is months away

[chilly brook]

Imo it’s a pretty big issue

Spikes isn’t a bad mitigation

It’s just got horrible uptime

[oblique garnet]

Ok the quest to lvl 50 neck

Is only 40k away

[sick sentinel]

homogenizing classes is wrong though

what will we do if every class has a button that you try to keep up 100% of the time or you die???

[chilly brook]

Would it be homogenization though?

It’s just one way of fixing the problem

[sick sentinel]

I mean it's basically ironfur

and basically shield block

[chilly brook]

Maybe not the best way of fixing it

But it’s a way

[sick sentinel]

and basically ironskin Brew

[chilly brook]

Well I mean didn’t we already go down that road the minute they did BFA tank design

[warm plinth]

I mean, literally every other tank has high/100% uptime on their AM. As long as the rest of the spec isn't homogenized, I see no issue with making DH the same way with theirs.

[chilly brook]

^

[sick sentinel]

did you think I was being serious

[chilly brook]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

there was a post EXACTLY like that screenshot

before 8.1

for prot warr

in the words of our Lord and savior

I'm not digging at you

[chilly brook]

Oof

[sick sentinel]

you just happened to have said something that fits

[oblique garnet]

I miss nimchip

[warm plinth]

Me too

[sick sentinel]

me too

I made him leave

[chilly brook]

I’m gonna stick a knife in my gut and die with Honor now

[sick sentinel]

enjoy

[oblique garnet]

I tried to log on my us wow so i could send him a message

Blizzard didnt let me

FeelsBadMan

[sick sentinel]

yeah need a sub

[warm plinth]

The word is seppuku @chilly brook

[oblique garnet]

Nono the word is sudoku