im trying to get a similar build to people in mdi with 1DC, 3BOM, 2BI (but im using 2 Meticulous scheming instead)
#protection
drowsy relic
stone imp
I wouldn't go so far as to say you should only cast revenge if it's free in M+. If you're not dying, cast it.
oblique garnet
before not so much
drowsy relic
what did they fix about it?
oblique garnet
it didnt trigger as much as before
warm plinth
@stone imp I recommended he not cast it if it isn't free because he is having survival issues. I'd rather he overcorrect and fix his survival issues and add non-free Revenges in later than try to explain the intricacies while he's trying to get better.
And the vast majority of Revenges you cast in M+ will be free anyway, so it's not going to impact him significantly
drowsy relic
do you know where I can get the procs per min for traits?
warm plinth
Some of them show up on wowhead's tooltips I believe.
stone imp
Sure, possibly. I mean, in avatar you're going be TC, Rev, TC, Rev on packs pretty consistently and swimming in rage to pop SB and IP. The answer will be nuanced. Just hate to see someone in M+ sitting on rage and not doing damage when they could be.
hurts ones soul
open bluff
hey guys this sux right?
warm plinth
Get out
open bluff
k 😦
warm plinth
I'm over here with my 385 shield and you gotta show me that
warm plinth
When you do, you can give the 380 to me to replace my 360 1h
mortal brook
410 shield in the cache ^.^ almost a big boi
sick sentinel
I still use a 405
old night
damn so that un'nat trinket is that good huh
just read its pretty high up on our rankings
potent anvil
@drowsy relic MS has been fixed/buffed. It should be proccing more often, averaging 33%~ uptime in a m+ run. It's quite potent and it's strong offensively and defensively.
mortal brook
It was way stupid rng before, now its properly 1ppm
sick sentinel
I was getting around 25%uptime on mplus before buff
warm plinth
Is that a trait in the 2nd ring or is it in the 3rd ring with things like Unstable Flames?
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
because I use DC over BS in a different piece
warm plinth
But who is gonna cook my fish @lusty grotto
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto ?!
oblique garnet
What happened
warm plinth
Yeah
oblique garnet
what did you do
warm plinth
I DMed him but I got no answer.
exotic spoke
Anyone fuck around on the PTR yet with the Perfection essence?
oblique garnet
tis broken
warm plinth
Yeah, results so far are that it's broken
exotic spoke
How did they not see this was going to snowball
open bluff
...it's blizzard
warm plinth
Because small indie company
open bluff
did you really expect them to
exotic spoke
Also, why did @deep forgechip leave
warm plinth
No idea
sand egret
BOOOOOOOO
warm plinth
Go ping him in Raidbots; he's still in there according to his profile
exotic spoke
Wtf
sand egret
speaking of which....where did all the other patrons go?
(or is that only showing online...)
warm plinth
That only shows online
exotic spoke
If things go in as is people are going to be clamoring for prot to be gutted
open bluff
give avatar another 30-60s on cd, nerf bom
exotic spoke
Even with the nerf
sand egret
that's no different than now
open bluff
suddenly not as busted
sand egret
😄
exotic spoke
Moreso than how I mean blade
sand egret
I dont think people will be as batshit as you'd think
remember: we're not the only class getting some insane power spikes
exotic spoke
Oh there’s already bitching about it
exotic spoke
In the context of the fact that we and prot paladins get it on an offensive and defensive ability while other tanks get it on pure defensives
sand egret
bitching is usually less when you can give all the kids a new toy
exotic spoke
If everything is broken then nothing is?
open bluff
tbf
sand egret
welcome to legion?
sick sentinel
That's how dota works
exotic spoke
I miss Leachip already
sick sentinel
I like that point of balancing
sand egret
^_^
sick sentinel
We have a shield already we don't need more
sand egret
tbh, im surprised it DIDNT go to SW
sand egret
but I very much agree I could see it going to SW/Guardian instead
sick sentinel
@worthy dagger on ptr?
spice ferry
id much prefer other tanks to get an offensive buff insteaqd
exotic spoke
An even shorter SE though?
worthy dagger
Yes on ptr
sand egret
that's not really in the ask, unfortunately
open bluff
^
sand egret
they're not going to spin up a new offensive for 4 tank classes
but rather shift the labeled "Spec Ability" that the essence refers to to SW instead
since Avatar is "ours"
oblique garnet
FeelsBadMan all the leech talk bullied nim out of discord
sick sentinel
And for paladins?
sand egret
Guardian i think it's called
open bluff
guardian
open bluff
i mean tbf blood has DRW as an "offensive" cd but that only adds like 3 dps to their 7
oblique garnet
I got 1.5 levels on my neck today
open bluff
brm and guardian have cds... in their talent tree 
worthy dagger
with that new azerite heart trait that procs avatar theres no reason to try any other build
sand egret
yeah technically it is theirs
oblique garnet
All my azerite is 420 now
worthy dagger
they might as well change our name to protection clap
sand egret
anywho, path of least resistance/controversy is to swap out the two hybrid cds to the pure defensive ones to align them
open bluff
i think veng is the only tank without any access to an offensive cd at all, even if brm/guardian/bdk don't really count
sand egret
I guess technically Meta is offensive in that respect
not very good considering pure pain spending has little damage returns, but I think it technically counts
sand egret
In a world where Soul Cleave does damage, it would be
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel What did you do to nim 😦
oblique garnet
He was here, now he gone
I think it was finally the ragnaros people who got to him
soft kindle
Guardian doesn't really have an offensive cd
because you're a meme if you take incarn and brambles-barkskin is only a bit of damage
sand egret
well incarn is an offensive steriod, meme or not 😃
soft kindle
So's best served cold and ravager, doesn't mean they should be brought up 🤷
sick sentinel
Wouldn't they want the rage refund more anyway?
sand egret
But we already brought up our other offensive CD 😃
soft kindle
You can get both? Resource refund is a minor trait, CD proc is a major
sick sentinel
Oh sorry I'm sleepy
sand egret
with BV, technically
but I personally don't view non-baseline cooldowns as such. That's just my distinction though.
open bluff
imagine not running bv
sand egret
(even if they're picked 99.99999% of the time)
mostly due to opportunity cost vs straight gains
since for Incarn you need to NOT take GG, etc.
sand egret
totally would
soft kindle
Yeah Ik but
sick sentinel
Might be dynamic?
sand egret
i highly doubt it
undone sun
doubtful
sand egret
seems the ability draws from the designated "spec" ability in that regard
undone sun
but that's a replacement spell/ability
sand egret
^
soft kindle
Ravager is BS, just differnent
undone sun
worked the same for arms helm in legion
sand egret
not like Berserk/Incarn would be for Feral
sick sentinel
Yeah that makes sense
sand egret
i expect Feral to update, but Guardian to stay at SI
sand egret
case closed
undone sun
👏
sick sentinel
F
soft kindle
worth a shot 🤷
sand egret
at least people are saying ~55% uptime on MI with that essence, so at least that trait doesn't stink as much
sick sentinel
I mean
sand egret
making more traits "good" is solid in my book
soft kindle
Across 5 ~15 minute dummy tests, I was getting 55-70% uptime
soft kindle
Yeah this essence is gonna get nerfed
sand egret
most likely
sand egret
yeah....once you get into the dps specs
sick sentinel
Tyrants
sand egret
it gets really nutty, esp with dps specs that have long ass durations on their offensives
i bet Feral is actually dope
sick sentinel
Uncontrollable amount of bladestorms
Just start spinning randomly
Feels whirlwind axe man
sick sentinel
Ye
sand egret
bout that time in the expac to get nutty with stuff
worthy dagger
its gonna get broken
sand egret
always happens
soft kindle
"your artifacts have been revived through the power of azeroth!"
worthy dagger
then next exp our amulet dies and everything start all over again
oblique garnet
Azhara is not the last raid
sick sentinel
Anyone remembers dragon soul?
soft kindle
No what's that
sand egret
How To Ride the Dragon: The Encounter
sick sentinel
Like the set bonuses
sand egret
O_O
sick sentinel
Yeah
Everyone was busted out out their minds
Rogues had daggers
Casters has tyrragosa
sand egret
end of MoP was the Cloaks
sick sentinel
I'm just really interested where this will go
sand egret
funny part about Legion was....all that shit was there at the jump....gated by the RNG of legendaries haha
sick sentinel
Yeah but in the end you had all of them
sand egret
and even then the extra wheel you got later was another boost
sick sentinel
And you could equip your second legendary right about at the same time frame
willow scarab
I’m glad it’s going insane and hope it goes even further
sand egret
if history shows us, prob will
willow scarab
I also hope you need everyone to play nutty and well to get End boss kills
Warlocks using 7 infernals, warriors duplicating themselves and both bladestorming for a minute straight
Like insane stuff please
oblique garnet
Its gonna be so bad for pvp players
sick sentinel
Avatar warrior
sand egret
tbf they could just tune shit to this nonsense...but then that assumes everyone has to be hip to it
willow scarab
crucible seems really bad for pvp too
oblique garnet
You have people come in with 3 giga tyrants one banging you
oblique garnet
No
Well yeah thats the pvp meta now
But demo warlock tyrant
Its the thing that kills anything in sight
sand egret
(they could just disable essences in PvP)
willow scarab
I was curious to know if the essence that has a low chance to instantly kill a target would work in raid or pvp
I mean obviously not, right? But what if
sand egret
there's a what?!
oblique garnet
And they all do the same damage as your first one
sand egret
i did not see that one
willow scarab
It was in Dalaran gamings video on his rogue
oblique garnet
Yeah ok blizzard just threw reasoning out of the window
willow scarab
I saw it last night but maybe I was sleepy and forgot what it said
99% sure it had a low chance to instantly kill though
sand egret
i didn't see it on any list....but hmm
sand egret
i mean there's no way that stays or applies to any content that matters
willow scarab
I’m sure it’ll stay in keys
sick sentinel
I just want the 1 in a million thing to happen
willow scarab
At the very least
sick sentinel
heroic throw
willow scarab
World first sniped by 1% chance Azerite Procn
sand egret
i doubt it won't work on Bosses, but even in keys....getting that proc on a miniboss...
sick sentinel
they die
sand egret
be like Ret Paladins from Vanilla all over agian
oblique garnet
First hit ” Heroic throw” encounter length 0.01 second
sand egret
err Prot
sick sentinel
hey at least we got ce
sand egret
but actually we didn't even get credit cuz this shit bugged out
warm plinth
Could be like OG Touch of Death; player has to be at 10% HP or less or mob has to be at less HP than your max HP.
oblique garnet
12 bosses later ” Huh so we have no idea what the mechanics are but we killed everything”
sick sentinel
Everybody got that trait
sand egret
you just get some guy writing a bot
sick sentinel
Just hit the boss until it dies
sand egret
yeah the secret lies in that
oblique garnet
Any
sick sentinel
Very specific mobs
willow scarab
”Has a low chance to immediately annihilate any specimen deemed unworthy by mother “
Could kill the player?
sick sentinel
I liked @undone sun 's response
warm plinth
Given that it mentions Aberrations, I'd go out on a limb and suggest the "unworthy" mobs are Aberrations.
willow scarab
I don’t really care for lots though
There are other essences solely targeted at abberatjons so maybe
sand egret
it's probably like minor Aberrations that are below x% have a y% chance to die .
willow scarab
Don’t care for lore*
I’m gonna go into the patch hoping it will instantly kill bosses
And it’s fine if it doesn’t t
I just want to believe
sand egret
which means there's some edge-case they won't hit
and it'll be HILARIOUS
turns out that Intern Ted added the wrong flag to [raid boss] and now we got one-shots going down...
warm plinth
I can go into Ulduar and 1-shot bosses, and I don't even have that essence. 😏
willow scarab
I wonder if there will be an aberration in a water raid
oblique garnet
Last boss of uR
Aswell
Hmm
Mdi being decided by whose group gets the proc lmao
spice ferry
am i right in thinking that i should mostly avoid revenge without free proc?
undone sun
if you're not taking damage, no reason not to
sick sentinel
it's an ok rage dump if you need dps
undone sun
not taking significant damage*
mortal brook
Shield with indestructibile, no more dmg taken
woven trellis
Does having too much mastery devalue BoM efficiency on short windows damage
mortal brook
Mastery in terms of linear dps scaling is our worst secondary, at least according to bloodmallet, so kinda yeah
swift pier
Gonna be stuck with a 410 shield for the rest of the tier :/ raid lead wants to extend till we do storm wall and jaina
naive panther
Stuck in endless jaina prog too. Only one mythic clear on my war
orchid token
pog, removing the legs from uunat table means only the leech trinket is on his table
bonus roll him erry week
brisk ferry
Finally
warm plinth
Just get 3rd BoM?
woven trellis
any reason why
shut summit
brisk ferry
Yessir had the worst luck gambling helmets
woven trellis
is because i did a 19 2 weeks ago?
warm plinth
Mmhm
But usually it only does that if you didn't open your chest or didn't have a chest during a week
But it might be that it's just the highest between 1 down from the highest you've done recently or 1 down from the one you did last week
When you did the 19, you would have gotten an 18, and since you only did a 17 last week, you get a 17 (since 1 less than the 18 is higher than the 16 you would have otherwise gotten)
If that makes sense.
sick sentinel
Yeah, it always works like that.
vocal skiff
On that regard, how come I got an 8 key on my Guardian if I timed a 10 last week?
warm plinth
Did you delete a key @vocal skiff?
vocal skiff
Not that I recall
woven trellis
but i did open my chest and get a 18 in between
warm plinth
Doesn't matter. Your key level is based on the highest key you've done recently, or the highest key you did during the week, whichever is greater. Since the highest one you had done recently was a 19, you got an 18 key in your chest. Since you didn't complete anything higher than that, it just continues to downgrade 1 level at a time.
If you had done another 19 instead of only a 17, you would have gotten a +18 key again.
graceful sundial
starting mythic jaina progression...do you recommend any azerite trait stacking for the encounter?
undone sun
nothing out of the ordinary
warm plinth
BoM would probably be pretty good, for the extra crit block chance during Avatar. I don't know that there are any traits you need to seek out though tbh. Just the normal raid traits should be fine.
willow scarab
Bom stack is actually legit for Jaina
You just have to use avatar as a defensive
Or at least try to have it ready around the time big damage comes in
Resounding prot and impassive are good too
drowsy relic
What is the consensus on siphoning vs quick navigation?
is gearing for leech a priority in high m+?
eg. if I had a haste+verse pants vs vers+mastery+leech pants - would I run the one with extra leech?
astral crystal
steel mauve
leach is a meme, you never gear for tertiaries, when its same ilvl you still just follow the stat priority
sick sentinel
when choosing mid-tier azerite powers for M+, do you guys go more defensive (something like ablative shielding) or offensive (gutripper, eg) or a mix?
warm plinth
Usually go for more offensive ones personally. Overwhelming Power if it's present. Otherwise Unstable Flames is pretty good.
sick sentinel
in the guides cahnnel
warm plinth
Oh, the analysis sheet
sick sentinel
azerite analysis
warm plinth
That's because that's only for defensive traits
sick sentinel
yeah
warm plinth
You can sim for offensive ones. OP and Unstable are just ones we know are very strong.
sick sentinel
for sure, thanks
warm plinth
Also looks like the analysis spreadsheet is only looking at spec traits, not the inner ring ones
lofty cradle
How are the gloves from Crucible ? Any value
warm plinth
I think we had a conversation about those in here before and I think the verdict was based on how they interact with Ignore Pain.
But most likely they're not that great; someone can correct me if I'm wrong there though, since I have not had the opportunity to test them myself.
lofty cradle
Ok thanks
warm plinth
Defensively they're not bad I guess. They're about as strong as a Resounding Protection trait I believe.
warm plinth
Yeah I can almost guarantee that they aren't worth dropping ilevel for.
lofty cradle
Ok sweet thanks
willow scarab
Take overwhelming over gutripper because of the icd on losing stacks and because haste is really good
Gutripper also won’t help your aoe
drowsy relic
does that mean no matter how big the pack, OP only drops 1 stack at a time?
dont understand how icd works
undone sun
ICD limits how fast it can stop stacks
warm plinth
You gain 25 stacks per proc of OP. Stacks can only drop like 2 per second or something like that?
lofty cradle
Treach Covenant or DC #2
dim blaze
When are you guys using trident of deep ocean on Uu'nat?
undone sun
a 2 hander?
twilit halo
Do you want to pool 1 SotR for every Seraphim use? #protection
warm plinth
Wrong prot 😉
twilit halo
If you have a cap of 3, you're not letting your guard down
I'm a warrior of the light
warm plinth
😂
twilit halo
Who fights for what's right and equal opportunity
umbral forge
Do you believe Nightborne should be allowed to be Paladins @twilit halo
twilit halo
I think you have to look at who taught the Horde to be paladins. What races met each other halfway
umbral forge
That is not what I asked. Do you think they should be Paladins
umbral forge
So much for equal opportunity
twilit halo
I caught you off guard
What's right and equal opportunity
The diversion that equal opportunity isn't under the "what's right" umbrella
umbral forge
for me to have every class as Nightborne
twilit halo
owned it
Equal opportunity is the Nightborne asking what Alliance race taught the Horde
Equal outcome is Nightborne being able to be paladins
A-ha
@umbral forge
I never mentioned equal outcome
umbral forge
Man, paladins are really weird.
warm plinth
Yes, yes they are.
sick sentinel
Just add on the fact that the "Being" they look to and use for their abilities is just as fucked as the concept it fights against
Which is nice to know, since we get to see that both light and shadow are dumb as shit
twilit halo
Oh yeah, the what's its name from the Krokuun questline
Forces Illidan to fight for "the good"
forces a conversion attempt rather
sick sentinel
I called it floor Crystals cause I cba to remember
But in the end it at least taught us a few things
twilit halo
Was a unique questline
modern brook
i ahve an admirer
twilit halo
Usually if you build something up as being so vital, it lasts
Turn around and destroy it within minutes
sick sentinel
@modern brook if it wasn't some random that wanted to lick u, or Nim... That wanted to lick u
Is it even worth anything?
modern brook
it was nim ::^)
warm plinth
Is he really quitting?
umbral forge
who is
warm plinth
Nim
sick sentinel
Sco
modern brook
I havent heard anything about nim quitting
umbral forge
Sco is quitting?
modern brook
couldnt comment on it
warm plinth
He said he was done with the game and left the server earlier.
umbral forge
he'll be back
umbral forge
I've started playing GW2 so I mean I can't really disagree with the game not being up to par
sick sentinel
He got too triggered by leech
It's drain the poor boi
It literally
LEECHED HIM TO DEATH
Haha
It's funny fuck yall
idle kindle
dense flame
decent damage. Although some were messing around with other traits for overall higher dps (like MS).
ionic fern
Stacking DC is just more AoE DPS and nothing else.
umbral forge
and as we all know
increasing your AoE DPS is one of the best ways to increase your survivability in m+
crisp pecan
this crucible tanking trinket is doing around 11% healing for me, but it is actually almost topping me, would recommend
ionic fern
Tried it yesterday out as well in m+. Was nice having a 95k+ instant heal on a 1m CD.
dense flame
pretty dope
ionic fern
In that specific FH 19
crisp pecan
@naive panther it is hc diamond
outer dew
Tbh. Wondering if I even run diamond outside of high tyrannical weeks
ionic fern
Why Tyrannical weeks tho?
Only 2 bosses who actually hurt on Tyrannical are ML 2 last ones.
granite ibex
Hello guys
I dropped the crucible trinket and didnt have the time to try it. How does it feel ? Are you hurting your teammates more than enemies? Heal is good ?
warm plinth
It prioritizes enemies over friendlies
granite ibex
Smell like big pulls to me. Nice
warm plinth
people are liking it so far. It has a pretty hefty heal if used in AoE
granite ibex
Yes seems like a m+ good to go trincket
ionic fern
The damage you to your allies is minimal in most scenarios so you shouldn't worry about it too much.
neon tangle
Also who doesn’t love the option of sniping kills in pugs groups on bursting week
warm plinth
Unless your allies almost die from bursting, then you should use it immediately so you can kill them.
mortal brook
free grevious for the healer!
warm plinth
Everything hurts when you're a guardian main 😏
undone sun
😭
warm plinth
There there Thyme
ionic fern
What hurts on Tyrannical in WM? o.o
Fat boss does nothing, Sisters get interrupted and also do nothing..Tree you can reset when you lack CD's, Lady/Lord only hurts every other cast but you can play IP/Demo for it..Last boss does nothing.
warm plinth
ionic fern
All the bosses hit for like 30-45k except for Goliath who smacks for 85k+ on a +20 tyrannical.
Always roast guardian.
warm plinth
Levko resub when
ember arrow
When they delete bfa
mortal brook
can spell reflect daddy waycrest too
ember arrow
With this class design
warm plinth
I mean, it's pretty early on and people are already doing 25s
ionic fern
^
mortal brook
with essences, 27s def gonna get done
ember arrow
Fav legion dungeon
mortal brook
Maw. on affix combos where pulling the entire boat was allowed 😄
warm plinth
I liked Neltharion's Lair and Cathedral
soft kindle
Upper Kara PepeHands
undone sun
NL did have a couple fun reflects
i remember the bug where reflect knocked back dargrul
granite ibex
Yeah upper kara on fortify with add affixes 😄
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @mortal brook
unborn island
Just pull all the wyrms, nuke down together and wipe :), always thought that was quicker
I hated that room on sanguine
And necrotic, those fuckers hit fast
Actually, just fuck necrotic upper Kara, the last boss wasn't fun either
marble oak
how do I figure out what gear to equip for tanking
like what stats are better
if bot hare even ilvl
old zephyr
Ilvl then haste
marble oak
ilvl>Haste> what?
ionic fern
ilvl>haste>=w/e.
Secondaries are very close together . On a same ilvl piece you'd take the one with highest haste.
marble oak
thank you for the info^.^
How many ilvls>Haste?
is there a degree?
nvm ^
How do I determine what ring to equip
if I have really good haste rings that are 385/370
with sockets
would the haste out value ilvl
ionic fern
DPS wise you can sim it.
marble oak
survivability is what Im looking at
ionic fern
Then it depends on what other choices you have.
marble oak
Ring wise, 400 Crit vers, 405 haste vers both ms vers
vs 385 HAS mas+ socket / 370 CRIT has+socket
the 370 I assume would be a def no because of non mainstat haste
ionic fern
m+ wise you'd want haste/crit.
raid wise you'd want haste/mastery.
In your scenario i'd use the 400+ rings.
marble oak
how good is bonded souls for tanking?
dps/survivability
Bonded or Bloodsport?
I dont see bonded on the website
ionic fern
I'd go for Bloodsport for more consistency.
marble oak
wb Bonded vs Callous reprisal
reprisal is on the bottom of the list o.0
thank you so much for your help @ionic fern I appreciate it :x
ionic fern
I'm really not a big fan of Bonded souls so i'd still take CR over it as well.
In general most Protection specific traits are really good for different scenarios..e.g Brace for Impact for ST DPS and BoM's/DC's for AoE DPS.
You definetly want to get atleast 1xDC for general purposes.
oblique garnet
bonded souls after the nerfs is mediocre
sick sentinel
is ignore pain our main mitigation or shield block?
brisk ferry
physical damage = SB, magic damage = IP
sick sentinel
oh ok
i've been maintaining ignore pain and that seemed to work pretty good, just wanted to see if i'm doing things right
tbf i'm only level 92
but still
glad fossil
Hi guys
Been off the prot warr for a fair while ,changed to DK in nighthold, so have a few questions ,
do we have statbreakpoints on versa and mastery , if so what are they
brisk ferry
no
glad fossil
so just stack em high and hard as in the old days
brisk ferry
yessir
enchant and gem haste
rest is all ilvl
trinkets are a point of discussion in here every day
glad fossil
about trinkets , it feels underwhelming
Did the new raid on normal yesterday , and those look good , but not entirely positive
brisk ferry
check the pins for a link to the guide with details regarding those items
but with underbudget stats, they're very underwhelming
glad fossil
would love a high stamina 1 with a shield 😃 at 415
glad fossil
brostrodamus , im so oldschool, that i have sunders macros 😉
brisk ferry
lol oh I still have my old macros too
sick sentinel
you're gonna want to dust them off this summer
sick shell
In the second boss for Crucible, I have a guildie who says moving the adds and the boss thru the Oblivion Tears heals the boss. Is that true? Or only when players hit them?
glad fossil
i learned the craft i Lbrs and UBRS , when they were a mini raid
sick shell
Trying to decide if I need to think more about location or not when tanking that fight
sick sentinel
are you gonna play WoW classic?
i've been thinking either warrior, mage, druid, rogue, or warlock for that
glad fossil
#Zombiefighter im so done with classic
glad fossil
i hated the room with the ogres just before the corehound that ate a gnome
sick sentinel
cant' wait to see it
glad fossil
he was prepared to be eaten, he wanted to retrive something
look at this
only reason i would ever do classic is if the made the dungeonset quests availeble again and account wide lloks
looks
@ionic fern
thanks for that
sick shell
@ionic fern got it players only, didn't need to highlight the heal since I already knew it heals the boss, my guildie was just saying the adds and the boss trigger the heal as well but I was getting confused since everything I see says players. Thank you.
ionic fern
Highlighted the "heal" cause i was searching for it with crtl+f. 😂
sick shell
Oh xD
candid ledge
410 Jes, 415 Knot, 415 Alchemy, 410 Lurker's, what would be the most ideal for prot?
brisk ferry
what's lurker;s?
ionic fern
PRetty sure it's the new mastery trinket from Crucible.
candid ledge
Yeah
brisk ferry
oh I forgot there's a new raid
candid ledge
But I guess that's less than ideal 😛
brisk ferry
I wanna say Knot and Alchemy, but I don't know what that Lurker's does
oh it's simming up with Butcher's Block
on-use tho yuck
candid ledge
brisk ferry
IMO Knot + Alchemy
candid ledge
Yes that's what I've been using so far
was wondering if it was worth using 2 on use
sand egret
Lurker is insanely good, imho
and one of the better M+ trinkets
oh, Im thinking of the Idol...womp. Hmmm, 2 min cooldown does seem awkward on that one. 🤔
brisk ferry
it's like Jes, I hate that 2min CD
sand egret
Yeah, I’m confusing it with the Idol of Sucks2Suck
brisk ferry
lol
sick sentinel
LURKERS BOY
CRIT BLOCK THAT SHIT
memes aside though
knot+alchemy is the best of what you have rn
well im using lurkers it gives lots of mastery and damage you take is nothing even if you have %1 leech or something
but only offensively i swap to defensive trinkets this week cause some adds hurts alot
brisk ferry
Kaege I finally got triple BoM last night, gambled Sea-Brawler's Greathelm. Finally get to try pumping tonight
sick sentinel
that 1% leech part was wrong
brisk ferry
after 7-8 helmets, finally BoM
sick sentinel
but everything else you said was correct
last tick is like 12k damage before mit
and you are ignore paining that shit
ohhh yeah it geta higher and higher but i forgot cause IP easily
but i had nearly %100 mastery with 3x BoM and that trinket
its fun doing big deeps
100% mastery is big
I did a fort KR
and I feel mortal again
like holy shit those champs hit for 60k AFTER block
even when not enraged
my 405 shield does not help
but still
fringe anvil
Top #1 (Radsangerygf) and #5 (Nerfclap) are using Siphoning enchant its becouse this weak?
unborn island
It's because leech is our best stat
fringe anvil
@brisk ferry why not explain pls
brisk ferry
they're gonna think you're serious
unborn island
Combine it with our phat claps and haste capping and just win
sick sentinel
because they are memeing
brisk ferry
it's a fucking meme
fringe anvil
:(\
sick sentinel
because then you come and ask us about it and it's fucking tiring and ridiculous having to explain like 50 times every day how bad siphoning is and how big pieces of shit those people are
jovial haven
brisk ferry
wheat canopy
Would someone be able to give me a quick rundown on how to use ignore pain?
I feel like I use it just when I’m about to cap rage
sick sentinel
you use it if you need survivability or if you cant block something and need mitigation
@regal rampart wrong channel bruh
regal rampart
Sorry
sick sentinel
@wheat canopy dont use it only when you are capping rage you can use it to mitigate damage even more with absorb
and on some bosses where you cant block such as ML last 2 bosses or KR bleed stacks or shadow of zul in KR again you just use IP not block
wheat canopy
@sick sentinel intereesting
im new to tanking seriously and i find warrior very fun but much harder than any other tank
sick sentinel
hmmm well it isnt really hard maybe bit different considering how block is the key and you might die by just missing one block
but its just practice :D
wheat canopy
yeah there's definately alot more to track compared to a DK which is what im used to
remote tusk
Is there a list with all PTR Essences for Protection?
sick sentinel
yeah wowhead
but there is only 2 spec-specific i think till now might see more in future
remote tusk
BoM is still the same on PTR?
Because that Essence seems quite strong, holy crap.
Like, does the Essence also cause Bastion of Might to activate for the same duration, or does it get 20 seconds?
Or not at all.
sick sentinel
well it should considering what tooltip says yet who knows
there are so many times tooltips just wasnt correct
or had missing elements to it
remote tusk
Hm, gonna nose around on PTR then
sand egret
signs on
sees Nimchip SS
😭
@remote tusk , the proc does activate BoM
what doesn't happen is that if you manually activate Avatar (also triggering BoM) then get a proc during that Avatar/BoM window, it won't refresh BoM but will extend your current Avatar.
You will have moments of Avatar but no BoM with the Essence
@wheat canopy what's not stated enough, especially coming from a DK (perhaps one of the more opposite tanking styles to ProtWar) is that Prot is 100% proactive in gameplay, while DK is heavily weighted on the reactive aspect of tanking. Fundamental difference is Prot has no way of dealing with damage once it is dealt, DK's specialize in this fact and their entire kit is based around it. However, Prot also has the best tools for preventing damage from occurring, so it's paramount to understand when/where to use your tools ahead of time (which you have many of). Going out of the conceptual, Shield Block maintenance is your prime directive on most encounters (minus the few mentioned above like the 2nd half of ML).
daring marlin
@hot lodge Did they change it?
The essence was giving 10 seconds of avatar but the full 20 of BoM when it procced
When avatar fell the BoM would though too
sand egret
poor other guy
Uh, from what I've seen from yesterday, you get the 10 of Av and the 20 of BoM yeah. The case I'm talking about is that BoM doesn't refresh if Avatar procs during an Avatar
so you get 30 seconds of Avatar (20 + the 10 from the proc) and only 20 seconds of BoM
most likely is that the trigger for BoM relies on a boolean state change when Avatar activates, which does not occur when stuff Pandemics (Avatar in this manner functions similar to how Meta does with DHs)
sand egret
that's a single essence proc, right?
ionic fern
Yep.
sand egret
yeah that same log has the 30 second Av/20 second BoM windows as well
I believe there's two of them in there
sand egret
where's that fun sliding bar view of buffs? time stamps make this a lot harder to parse haha
sand egret
noted! yeah, the situation I was speaking about can been seen at 1:35
daring marlin
epic
sick sentinel
Prot Pally with Light's Decree works... interesting
sick sentinel
you get the 12.5s proc instead of the 10s proc.
I blame Mwahi, he told me to prove that I can break the game
sand egret
ooo you got a MI log in there
sick sentinel
yep 55% uptime
sand egret
a tad disappointing, but really not bad overall.
sick sentinel
I mean at 3xMI @415 that comes to 2.2k mastery
sand egret
maybe you got some shit RNG though, looks like you have a 2 min drought
still gonna mess with it
that's a lot of mastery
sick sentinel
yeah I was trying to do it w/o actually using SI
sand egret
ohh so that's no manual activations?
sick sentinel
yeah
uh
depends on which one you look at i guess
i know i have some in there that I do
Just to see how the clipping works and stuff
The one thing I noticed with wings is it won't let you press wings when you're in the middle of a proc.
dense flame
Any reason not to stack first boss crucible
signal plover
Nope
We just stacked both on crown, then trident, then void. 0 issues once ppl figured out interrupts.
(415 avg ilvl grp tho). Group size matters a bit too cuz the raid dmg will scale up
dry cosmos
I just joined and am looking for an answer of sorts...Revenge vs Ignore pain which should have priority with the limited rage?
sick sentinel
ip
dry cosmos
thx
daring marlin
getem weep
pastel holly
How du you engage the last group before totem boss in AD? (if you are unable to skip them). CC the 2 big ones and do the casters? Other way around? In my rnd groups everything seems to be bad - but that might be poor executioning
dense flame
Tbh, if you don’t have shroud or invis. Best way is to pull them to the left and have the group go in and rez.
That pack is annoying.
pastel holly
thought so, but sadly equipping and going up the myth+ ladder only with rnd`s (got to 10 now/ 396 gs) does not involve the most "toughtful" people
thank you man
dense flame
Yeah no worries. Just be stern. Things get better eventually
They fixed that I think.
sick sentinel
I've heard there's still a hole
pastel holly
i hope so thanks man
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel
dense flame
Ah, I haven’t tried willow since the last time I noticed I couldn’t.
sick sentinel
I've never done it
wheat bronze
There is
You just need to go out in the water a bit
The invisible wall eventually ends
Usually faster to just tank res, though
sick sentinel
rogue shroud then vanish skip is my personal favorite
wheat bronze
Usually just pull them on tyrannical weeks, depending on the level of the key
sick sentinel
I was pinged
frozen bison
Just recently tried playing Prot warrior for M+ only, is Ilvl BiS or should we focus on stacking specific stats?
sick sentinel
ye that
wheat bronze
Also depends if you have a socket
glacial flint
is bastionofdefense . com deleted?
glacial flint
sure you can dropp ilvl azerites ^^ i have a set with full leech / selfheal and one with high ilvl / dps
this week with quaking + burstings like OP and i got easy double selfheal / hps^^
brisk ferry
stop it
chilly brook
What? Leech is like BiS
brisk ferry
bis as tertiary maybe
sick sentinel
dead meme
chilly brook
Way better than all our other stats combined
sick sentinel
it's only acceptable if you do the leech meme in the form ofa question
that way it can be made blatantly obvious it's a meme
sick sentinel
when you state it as fact it confuses
but if you do this
hey @nimchip is this an upgrade?
chilly brook
I mean the guy literally said stuff that’s contrary to the guide and general advice here
I think it was fairly obvious that I was memeing it
brisk ferry
hard to tell who's meme'ing anymore. But that guy seemed serious
glacial flint
selfheal shoulders
brisk ferry
just educate him
glacial flint
selfheal chest
brisk ferry
go DE those
glacial flint
these i change from my normal 420 items on thoose weeks 😛
brisk ferry
yeah that's fair, do what you want
ebon hound
allright it's time 👉 🚪
chilly brook
Why though
And yes he can play how he wants but saying that you can drop ilvl for traits is fairly contrary to general practice
glacial flint
well i survived m+18 undr intime ^^ so 😛
sick sentinel
Not worth dropping 10 ilvls for leech
brisk ferry
rofl
chilly brook
Literally people do up to 24s stacking 3x DC and 3x BoM without any leech
sick sentinel
Can confirm
chilly brook
Warrior doesn’t need self heals
If you need self heals either your healer is failing you or you’re not playing correctly
sick sentinel
what a productive conversation
glacial flint
well there is a difference between 3k rio premades and casual players.. even with 2k rio ^^ and ill personally do it only on thoose weeks .. normally not ^^
like 19 freehold last id ^^ ill go full ham ^^
sick sentinel
You always want to go full ham
chilly brook
There are people in here that have 2k rio and will tell you the same
sick sentinel
You can't time 24s if you play defensively
glacial flint
23k dps is fine for a tank :X
sick sentinel
*from a tank perspective, of course
sick sentinel
Leech has huge value on rings, other pieces don't net out as much leech, making ilvl much more preferable
supple palm
Is 6 cast of SB on heroic jade fire fight normal? I was looking over my groups logs and our warrior tank only did 6 cast. It doesnt seem right lol
glacial flint
yeah than go start streaming and go 20+ now 😃 ill wait meanwhile
honest frigate
Leech is a meme cecoura
chilly brook
I don’t need to go stream a +20 to tell you that leech isn’t worth dropping ilvl for
warm plinth
Okay seriously is it not a problem that people keep spouting this leech bullshit and now we have people coming in here almost constantly asking about siphoning and how much leech is worth?
brisk ferry
he would already* have 6 casts of SB within the first like minute?
chilly brook
We’ve had that forever ghash
warm plinth
It’s been constant lately
chilly brook
That’s why people started memeing
warm plinth
It was a once in a while thing before
sick sentinel
Leech netted out 10% of my overall
primal sable
how do you even get 7% leech
sick sentinel
Think it's decent
chilly brook
It’s decent if you can get it without sacrificing ilvl not worth otherwise
supple palm
No they only casted 6 SB throughout the entire fight
honest frigate
If you have it on your pieces it’s worth but don’t sacrifice ilvl for it
brisk ferry
right, what I'm saying is they should've had 6 within the first minute or less
they bad
sick sentinel
I run a 400 ilvl ring with leech
chilly brook
@supple palm kick him xD
sick sentinel
Leech on rings is worth
chilly brook
Then pay for my sub and I’ll come tank it for you 🙃
brisk ferry
dont drop ilvl for leech
sick sentinel
Personal opinion
primal sable
it helps that you have it on a haste heavy ring
chilly brook
Personal opinion is you’re wrong and overall secondary stats with more stam is worth more than leech on rings 😜
sick sentinel
@chilly brook sure, lol
sick sentinel
Not sure if you guys understand the idea behind ilvls
ilvl gets you up to a certain point
chilly brook
I mean will it matter in a month? When everyone preemptively rerolls to another tank because prot is gonna get “gutted”
primal sable
if the man tanks 23s this way there might be a need for some reevaluation
honest frigate
Imo even if it accounts for 10% of your overall hps in a dungeon, how much of that is it saving your life vs saving healer mana
The same argument is for prism
You run it to save healer mana in a dungeon
chilly brook
I know how ilvl works in this game....
And it still remains constant that overall more stats for prot is better than “ideal stats”
Hence why you don’t sacrifice ilvl even on rings
chilly brook
Oh happy birthday to the dumbest tank out there 🙃
sick sentinel
Again - ilvl brings you up to a certain level
I didn't know it was your birthday too!
warm plinth
Happy birthday to the only guy who is wrong more often than the weather man.
chilly brook
Good one though tbh
chilly brook
Are you trying to say that more stats aren’t worth more than “better stats” for warrior @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
I'm trying to say that self-sustain would have more priority on certain pieces at a certain level
chilly brook
Because I don’t think that’s a winning argument for you 🤔
sick sentinel
In case you missed it - leech is worth on rings
I suggest both of you do some math
chilly brook
TBH leech is just mostly meter padding
sick sentinel
and then continue this discussion
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Sure, feel free to check me on io @chilly brook
chilly brook
It’s worth it on rings if you get a ring at same ilvl with it 🙃
io has nothing to do with it 🤦🏻♂️
primal sable
lmao
warm plinth
Sco is a world first tank and we still don’t listen to him. Your skill level and experience don’t make you right.
chilly brook
My io is ass
primal sable
@sick sentinel what other rings do you have you could use in place of that 400
warm plinth
Same
sick sentinel
@chilly brook to be fair, only bringing that up as you claim my opinion is wrong
show me your io
severe owl
are you still talking about io
chilly brook
Except it’s not relevant to the conversation in any real way
warm plinth
^
sick sentinel
SHOW ME THE IO
I find it to be quite relevant, as you're complaining about the 23s
primal sable
just like google it bruh
sick sentinel
And what-have-you
chilly brook
Prot warriors are perfectly capable of doing high keys without leech or “ideal” traits
sick sentinel
but I don't know who he is
chilly brook
And I never said anything about 23s
All I’ve said about m+ is that I’ve seen plenty warriors do higher keys without leech and be fine
warm plinth
Styx mentioned 23s, not Griff
autumn pendant
Leech topic again
primal sable
yes