protection

[crisp pecan]

@ionic fern plans to push this week?

[ionic fern]

Physical.,

No plans to push this week at all. My healer told me he won't do keys this week.

😄

We both have vacation for next week tho so we going ham then

[fringe anvil]

so if it is Physical it can be blocke?

blocked*

[granite ibex]

I dont think you can block earth quake xD

[fringe anvil]

ok 😃

[ionic fern]

No, you can't block it-.

I mean..you CAN use IP on it to reduce the damage but as i said it's not something to actively aim for.
Chances are you will have IP up in combat anyways so it'll reduce some of it.

[fringe anvil]

thanks @ionic fern

[sand condor]

oh

is there

a WA

for quaking?

[sick sentinel]

yea

[sand condor]

can anyone link it

[ionic fern]

best place to find different WA's is to go to Wago.io and search for the thing you want..e.g "Quacking" .

[sick sentinel]

@granite ibex https://medium.com/raidbots/beware-of-stat-weights-240769a5323e

[granite ibex]

@sick sentinel Merci 😃

[strong forum]

@sick sentinel or you go 3x BoM 2x TC 1x DC

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern hello. how are you.

[ionic fern]

No u.

[wooden radish]

😦

[undone sun]

👌

[opal peak]

Same

[heavy chasm]

Man vision of perfection with AM and booming voice

That's going to be pretty silly avatar uptime. So I guess in spite of the pending UF nerf it wont matter

[sweet kettle]

It's still ptr

[strong forum]

It wouldn't matter period

[sweet kettle]

No way they gonna leave it like that

[opal peak]

My buddy was saying he was getting like less than 20 sec b/t avatars

On the high end

[heavy chasm]

On ptr?

Or now?

It's probably pretty close to that now if your swimming in haste procs/lust lol

Definately wouldn't be like the average

[opal peak]

On ptr with the thinger

[eager tartan]

I've had a lucky attempt and had avatar active more than one min

Nice UF nerf 👌

[granite ibex]

Think if he had no nerf. 100% on one min avatar x) Maybe they did see this coming

[heavy chasm]

I mean if paladins and what have you can have wings reduction and wing procs etc. I think its fair

Will be interesting to see anyway how it plays out. 8.2. So far seems promising

[mortal carbon]

any tips for jaina tanking mythic?

👀

[oblique garnet]

dont die

[sick sentinel]

watch vods

dip in fire on p1

and when I say dip I mean like it actually burns irl

if you do it fast enough you clear stacks but you don't take the damage

[woven trellis]

dont know what to do between 400ilvl legs with Haste + socket or 410 ilvl leg no haste no socket, mastery versatility

i already have a good amount of haste but not enough versatility

[astral crystal]

@mortal carbon get ready for a 400 pulls

boss is a bitch until your raid learns p1 combinations, p2 and p3 are pretty easy though

[brisk ferry]

@woven trellis 410

[strong forum]

Sadly yeah, socket is worth 5ilvl tops

[brisk ferry]

on pants I wouldn't even give it 5

[strong forum]

I had same pants in uldir on 395 and 390 with socket, I went with socket cuz it's just more stats. 9str and 21 armor isn't gonna out value 40 haste for me

Same as im rocking 3 pieces rn with 5ilvl downgrade to get the socket

[brisk ferry]

5 ilvls is only 9 str and 21 armor?

[mortal carbon]

@astral crystal already at 25%

but our mt can't make it

either me or a prot paladin will tank

[astral crystal]

oh ez then

tanking isnt hard on that fight

if youre dying in p3 make sure you have the macros for it

that's about it

[mortal carbon]

mac what

👀

[astral crystal]

get macro toolkit and just make a really long macro with /cancelaura for every hot/shield

[mortal carbon]

ah

[astral crystal]

in p3 you want tanks to suicide at ~17 stacks

[mortal carbon]

ah kk

[astral crystal]

assuming youre running double resto sham

you call for totem before you die

take rez

[mortal carbon]

nope

no resto f

[astral crystal]

hm, not sure then, you'll either have to save brezzes for that part or just get frozen and have your raid try to avoid icicles

[strong forum]

@brisk ferry smth along those lines yes, it's veeeery little mainstat armor and stam like super little

[sour silo]

Which trinkets would u use - 415 rezan, 410 vial, 420 jes howler ? Thanks for the answer 😄

[brisk ferry]

rezan and vial

[vocal skiff]

I might get a real computer soon, instead of my crappy laptop, and I have been considering the idea of raiding, and eventually mythic raiding, though not 4-5 times a week

Since I have no real experience, I understand I will have to start with an heroic guild most likely

But my question is: what do guilds look for in a tank in logs?

Damage, damage taken?

[ionic fern]

They should look at both of those + CD usage etc.

[astral crystal]

effective uptime on am

anyone know if the minor powers on essences are passives?

[zealous path]

Is Bwonsamdi's Bargain (socket +40 haste) (400) worth using over Ancient Tuskarr Sea Charm (socket +40 haste) (390) or Rezan's Gleaming Eye (405)?

[brisk ferry]

no

use Rezan

oh sorry misunderstood, answer is still no

use other 2

[zealous path]

So stick with Rezans and Ancient Tuskarr

[brisk ferry]

yes

bwonsalami's trinket is garbage

[strong forum]

Bob trinket is garbage ye

[zealous path]

Yeah seems like a 6 min oh crap is not that great

[strong forum]

That's not even it, it has 0 value if you never proc it

[zealous path]

that is true also

[strong forum]

Like you have to pull some crazy shit to make it even remotely worth it

Where you can justify using it aka mdi

[native storm]

@ionic fern lincoln told me to ping you here for holy advice

[ionic fern]

@wooden radish

[snow kernel]

Can someone tell me what I should use in m+? I got Jes'Howler 400 with socketed 40 haste but I got Vial of Animated Blood 410 now. I really dont get how to choose my gear for m+. I go for hast and vers but trinkets is kinda hard to choose I think

[strong forum]

Vial

[little ravine]

for gear just go for highest ilvl dont worry about specific stats

[strong forum]

Vial is one of the best trinkets to get cuz it lines up with every 2nd Avatar

[snow kernel]

I have heard ilvl for prot is not always good

[little ravine]

that is the first time I've heard that

[snow kernel]

Is it only for azerite maybe?

If you got the right traits

[little ravine]

even so, the armor from the peices is very strong

[snow kernel]

is icy veins just wrong then?

[little ravine]

afaik there isnt a massive disparity, i'd still prefer a peice with a prot trait that is 15 ilvls over a peice with DC or AoM

I'm happy to be corrected if it's not the case but the last I heard was ilvl was king

[snow kernel]

ah nvm it says what you are saying on icyveins

[little ravine]

👍

[strong forum]

Ilvl is never wrong, it's just at the 415-420 mark where I PERSONALLY like to no longer abide by that rule

[sand egret]

how dare you inject your personal opinions in here, sir.

[oblique garnet]

2 more levels T__T

[slim cosmos]

how the spec feels is more important than raw stats 😮

[long tinsel]

Has anyone tried tanking mythic opulence the entire fight?

[crisp pecan]

great day guys

not only 425 belt with haste/mastery

but malevolence helm from azerite

3xbom + 3x dc feels good

my bwonsamdi trinket is just cherry on top

[granite ibex]

I'm pretty sure I read that bown trincket is not that good

[sand egret]

I believe the term the natives here use is "garbo"

[old zephyr]

bargain is garbain*

unless you are a MDI player

[brisk ferry]

its garbo

[granite ibex]

Ahah, I didnt wanted to be mean

[brisk ferry]

wait was there any MDI tanks running that??

[granite ibex]

All of them the last weekend

[old zephyr]

apparently people used it at the MDI to be able to make GIGANTIC puuls

[brisk ferry]

huh I wasnt able to watch, interesting

[sand egret]

well in a content where you very literally can't afford to die

it gets a bit more value 😃

[brisk ferry]

oh definitely

[sand egret]

rationale is: the trinket has no value unless you proc it. In the case of most people, they aren't playing with the intention to. In the MDI case, it's basically X more hp on a CD they can utilize to maximize their runs

[granite ibex]

I can wait to see another couple of boots in my weekly chest 😦

[digital frigate]

Hello. Do I prioritize thunderclap / Shield Bash always?

I read the guide.

Just wanted to be sure.

[brisk ferry]

what else would you do instead?

[digital frigate]

Since my damn logs are funky.

[granite ibex]

Clap is life

[brisk ferry]

prioritize SB uptime

[digital frigate]

Ok ty Pilo.

[fresh valley]

[digital frigate]

Ty Bros

Love you all.

[granite ibex]

SB should be up 100% when you are getting hit

And then you have to use shield bash which generate more rage

-> more avatar

Then Clapping obsly

[digital frigate]

Thank you.

I think my problem with my pulls is in comparison to other people I am doing less claps.

Maybe because I am still learning the mythic and I am a bit scared.

[granite ibex]

What I'm doing (it could be wrong) I charge and using SB during it. Then avatar + shout + Clapping machine then

Obsly you should use others spell you can see in the guide

But the main gameplay is here

As a warrior can't be fear

[digital frigate]

Okay. I will do that.

[granite ibex]

You have to make damages and be solid. Making your group trust you

[digital frigate]

Yeah, when we cleared Grong I kept dying and it was a bit demoralizing until I realized that I wasn’t getting healed despite mitigation in grab

[granite ibex]

Mog a big shield, will help 😛

[digital frigate]

And that the other guy wasn’t taunting

I ate bestial smash x2

But we cleared conclave the next day on mythic. And it was a feel good moment.

[granite ibex]

All tanks hates it. Hurt a bit

[sand egret]

PSA that you can and should be reflecting Grong’s Grip to negate the DoT portion

[digital frigate]

I actively do.

But I still need heals. That thing hurts. Haha

[granite ibex]

You should be top heal when Grong grabs you

[digital frigate]

Yeah. They did a beautiful job this week.

This week we one shot everything til Opulence

[vocal skiff]

There are few things in-game better than the feeling of progression happening

[digital frigate]

Agreed!

We are on King Rhasta

I can’t wait.

We are also a melee stacked group. Do people tank rhasta into group even when melee stacked? Doesn’t toads cause problems.

[granite ibex]

Dunno in mythics, but there is always a side without toady

Easy to fit in

[digital frigate]

Mmm. Yeah. Tanking rhasta away sucks.

We did see some small progression on him.

[granite ibex]

As a warrior switch are easier. DK should look very funny ahah

[digital frigate]

Hahaha Poot DK

I usually take Stride on Rasta

[oblique garnet]

@lusty grotto ayy i only need 380 islands xD

[sick sentinel]

400 opulence, 410 crucible health steal or 415 vial for m? I like vial for avatar, the new trinket is a lot of healing (does like 70k damage, 140k heals) on 60s cd. Opulence trinket is nice but I think new trinket beats it.

[sand egret]

new trinket is gangsta as fuck

OP is pure defense, Vial is mostly offensive with some defense.

If you're getting trucked, go OP, but I'd say vial and kill-your-dps trink

[sick sentinel]

Im thinking Op + new one for weeks like this with a lot of damage, sub in vial for other week's where I can pull bigger

[sand egret]

solid line of thinking

[modern brook]

Not dying sounds likea healer problem

crucible and vial

[sand egret]

damnit, i'm going to have to pug this new raid...aren't I....

fuq

that trinket just looks soo juicy

[modern brook]

My guild downed heroic day 1

Curious if they're going to do mythic on it

Im a pvper now not a raider so idk what the plan is

[oblique garnet]

Its a joke

[modern brook]

It really is

[oblique garnet]

The raid is a joke

[sand egret]

wordddd

[oblique garnet]

30 minutes in n out

[regal rampart]

Is blood dk still a decent tank for mythic plus progression >?

[sand egret]

that is what i'm into

[oblique garnet]

No

[sand egret]

this is Prot disc

[modern brook]

@regal rampart probably should ask the blood discord

but yes

[oblique garnet]

Dk is hot garbage for high m+

[modern brook]

??

[oblique garnet]

Even dh is better

[modern brook]

dont lie to the guy late

DH isnt better than anything

[oblique garnet]

Ok ok

They are not good

[modern brook]

Did the nerf kill them that hard?

I mean prot > prot >bear rn

bear > prot > prot after nerfs

[oblique garnet]

Prot>bear>paladin>dk=dh

[modern brook]

Pally is better then bear imo only because everyones running r duid so druid utility is redundant

[oblique garnet]

Its not

Druid do more damage

Does*

[modern brook]

I've seen some pumping pallys

🤷

[dense flame]

Paladin always consistent.

[modern brook]

i'll trust you though

[oblique garnet]

Druid is actually close to warrior in terms of damage

[sand egret]

paladin has on-demand burst, something that my furbois lack, sadly

[oblique garnet]

It just doesnt burst

[modern brook]

U dont gotta sell gaurdian on me dude

I've been saying since we've been popular Bear will be meta 8.2

[dense flame]

I haven’t ran into many guardians this tier.

[oblique garnet]

Its a rare breed

[sand egret]

we're weird

😃

[oblique garnet]

Its like seeing someone ask bdk for m+

[dense flame]

Tbh I want VDH to be meta.

[oblique garnet]

No

[modern brook]

I think good tanks have at least 2-3 geared /ready to be geared tank classes to shuffle between for when meta shifts

and bad tanks just swap to whatever is numerically the best because they're bad and need he crutch

[sand egret]

my vdh is taking my monks slot in my rotation, that's for damn sure

[modern brook]

so tank imbalance is felt a lot harder than other imbalances 🤷

[dense flame]

So I can play my VDH again. Prot legit, but just something about turning into a demon is legit

[sand egret]

monk is SO boring compared to VDH (totally imho, mind you)

[modern brook]

VDH is retardedly boring*

[sand egret]

i actually really enjoy it

[dense flame]

It’s current iteration sure

[modern brook]

"I actually really enjoy running out of mitigation ~45 seconds into a fight and having a 3 button rotation "

the specs dumb

[sand egret]

i like fracture's cadence, weaving in leap for seals is fun and timing bombs is also fun

[dense flame]

Prot isn’t much different

[modern brook]

😠

[oblique garnet]

Hey

If you put it like that

[dense flame]

Except we can go ham

[modern brook]

Prot has like cohesion in spec design

things make sense

[oblique garnet]

Warriors rotation has less buttons then druids

[modern brook]

Why does the kiting tank

have to use its kite move

to deal damage?

????

why does the kiting tank have no slows

[dense flame]

Only thing I think is that DH shouldn’t be a kite tank

[modern brook]

If its not a kiting tank, why cant it maintain AM despite having 1 5 min CD with no CDR mechanics

[dense flame]

It’s dumb to be a kite tank imo.

[modern brook]

why does it have 2 talents

[oblique garnet]

If dh wasnt a kiring tank

[sand egret]

it's not a 5 min cd?

[modern brook]

THAT DO NOTHING TO THE ROTATION

[sand egret]

i'm confused

[modern brook]

except make the generic rotation stronger

[oblique garnet]

It shouldnt have no movement

[sand egret]

Meta is 3 min

[dense flame]

Well, we have leap

[sand egret]

Havoc's is 5

[oblique garnet]

Dh has

[modern brook]

🤷 the point stands

[dense flame]

And we aren’t a kite tank really.

[oblique garnet]

A fuckton of mobility

[modern brook]

VDH literally cannot not kite*

[sand egret]

i enjoy the spec for the most part, it has it's gripes but so does every other tank I play

[dense flame]

DH has 2x jump and double jump/glide. I mean I can see a kite window being a part of the spec. But not the primary playstyke

[modern brook]

Like I'll give the pass that the concept of what VDH could be is super interesting

But its probably the worst designed spec

in the game

by a lot

including combo-less subtlety

[sand egret]

assuming something that jumps is a kite spec is also not necessarily the right assumption

[dense flame]

It’s just dumb. How can you be a tank and not be getting hit?!?!?

[modern brook]

Im not assuming its a kite tank because it can jump im assuming its a kite spec because its made of fucking paper

[dense flame]

I wanna do big damage.

[modern brook]

EVery other aspect of the class screams face tank

It just cant

because itspoorly designed

[dense flame]

Do monk tanks do decent aoe?

[sand egret]

i'm telling you the spec is going to be legit

but i'll let that come out in the wash

[dense flame]

Cause it seems like most tanks can do decent aoe. At some point in time

[modern brook]

Monk tanks are like bears in tha tmost of their damage coems from Dots

[prime kernel]

yo, how good is this shit for m+ / raids ?
https://www.wowhead.com/item=159618/mchimbas-ritual-bandages&bonus=1582:4779&spec=73
410 + socket

[sand egret]

on the lower end

and it's pure defensive

[modern brook]

🤷 sure is a stat stick

[sand egret]

so view it in that respect

[modern brook]

@sand egret all I'm saying is that VDH needs a complete overhaul; and that they can boost its throughput in its current state by 100% and its still not a fun class

Like its not fun because of its design, not its performance

[sick sentinel]

Hey Bullfango, remember that one time when someone clearly stated that they had an opinion and you chose to tell the guy how his opinion is wrong.

That's awkward

[modern brook]

@ me u pussy

[sick sentinel]

Instead of saying I don't agree with your opinion

[sand egret]

And what I'm saying is that I disagree, both in the overhaul and in your subjective evaluation of fun. I personally enjoy the overall design, and my biggest issues are really pretty specific in terms of what it would take to "fix" them.

[modern brook]

🤷

I'm sure there's a lot of overlap on what you find wrong with the spec and what I do

[sand egret]

I don't doubt it.

[sick sentinel]

Ah civility.

[modern brook]

👋

[sick sentinel]

Next time you call someone a pussy, you might want to have some ground to stand on. Not sure if the toon from Thrall is you, but your parses could use some help.

[modern brook]

LOL

imagine being that petty

👋

[sick sentinel]

imagine being that petty
"@ me u pussy"

[modern brook]

Imagine reading exactly what you want from a text conversation you're not even apart of 👋

[sick sentinel]

Move along m'dude. Your point was made.

[umbral forge]

Who the fuck are you even

[modern brook]

🤷

[astral crystal]

🍿

[sick sentinel]

💤

[astral crystal]

this is good work entertainment

[sick sentinel]

Is it?

Feels pretty residentsleeper to me

[analog swift]

btw as a headsup for everyone, if you intercept your co-tank on grong ensure you do not have the safeguard talent 😀

[sick sentinel]

lul

[sterile pecan]

Does anyone know how valuable engineering head is for m+ (traitwise) or are there better head gear? and which are the BiS azerite gear for m+ as prot war? 😃

[umbral forge]

@sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

#268491842637660160

Yo

🍿

[sterile pecan]

@sick sentinel thanks

[desert gust]

I want to say that the headpiece offers amazing traits, but the bigger picture here is that you should always be an engineer 😃

[vocal skiff]

I forgot, do neutrals burst

[umbral forge]

boom asks about the engi headpiece you love

[sick sentinel]

@sterile pecan you're welcome I thought I'd save you from the trolls.

[inner moth]

Who doesnt want a personal absorb-o-tron

...

😄

[astral crystal]

a succbot, if you will

[inner moth]

Also with my drop luck, its pretty much a given I crafted it lol

6weeks since i dinged my new alt warr and ive been clearing mythic champs with 2 plate friends and i still dont have that god damn chest 😦

I need some luck sent my way

[sick sentinel]

I use cauteriser

For bleeds

But absorbotron is better

In terms or raw hps

And gismo for second ring

Because it's just better at everything

[primal granite]

do people just use pawns baseline stat weights when choosing between gear?

[sick sentinel]

People do not use pawn

For any reason whatsoever

[primal granite]

so they just figure it out themselves since you cant really sim for survivability?

[warm plinth]

Literally no reason to ever use Pawn when top gear sims exist

For survivability, ilevel> all

[primal granite]

thats only for damage though

[sick sentinel]

Pm me because I can't give you s detailed explanation rn

[warm plinth]

Use the one with more haste if the items are equal ilevel

[primal granite]

i think its a bit more complex than that my friend

[desert gust]

Survivability largely depends on you and your ability to use your active mitigation properly for the situation. Stats help, ilvl helps more.

[primal granite]

im talking about balancing stat weights, not ability useage and mitigation

[warm plinth]

What? It’s not more complex than that. Read the guide; the guide is geared toward survivability. It’ll tell you what I just told you.

More total stats > lower “better” stats for survivability. Hence ilevel is your best “stat”.

[sick sentinel]

No need to make it complicated when it isn't, @primal granite

[desert gust]

Would it be hard to make a weak aura that just shows an icon on my screen when shield block is active?

I've seen a few on wagio but I just want shield block displayed

[primal sable]

Not at all

[sand egret]

nope, in fact you can basically import it with a single click via Details

[primal sable]

Just go through WA2s template and it sets everything up for you

[desert gust]

Oh awesome! thanks. I'll make that now

you're right, that was extremely easy lol

[supple plover]

So what are other people's thought on heroic crucible? Felt easier than i expected especially the un'at though the strat we came up with probably won't work on mythic

[sand egret]

as they say, teach a man to Weak Aura...

word on the street is that Mythic is where the fun starts

[supple plover]

From the journal message yeah. Trine 2.0

[sand egret]

considering its a 2-boss raid as a filler patch, that has specific, unique loot they want people to clear it

[supple plover]

Can't wait for guildies to run into each other and explode

[sand egret]

but to give a good feel of difficulty

they tune Mythic

so those who want that "progression" feel can still get it but RandoLegion guild can still get in there, clear it for the neato loot on Heroic

[supple plover]

Just felt very undertuned though. Didn't even use the spear or feel like it was needed on heroic.

Would have been nice to feel somewhat more useful then afk dps add or boss

[sand egret]

guess it begs the question, what's your raids ilvl?

[supple plover]

412 ish

Out gear it for sure

[sand egret]

yeah, I'd say wait for Mythic then 😃

[crisp pecan]

what kind of food i should eat between quaking? with biggest hp efficiency?

[modern brook]

Mage 🤷

[olive merlin]

Sugar crusted fish feast I say

[warm plinth]

Yeah feast is the best but mage is the most accessible

[modern brook]

^ that works too yeh

theres a minimum of 20s between every quaking so like it shouldnt be a thing you need to dump money into imo

Like the only situation where fish feast saves you is post fight, everyone is within lethal range and healer has no mana for aoe and quaking wil lgo off before mage food gets you out of lethal*

in comparison to mage food

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I feel like spamming feast for burst recovery would be a better use of it than worrying about bursting

Er, worrying about quaking, jesus

English is hard guys

[modern brook]

vhard

[outer dew]

Dps are the bane of my existence

In pugs

If its inhouse, its fine

[modern brook]

:^(

[outer dew]

But pugs dont watch debuffs

And extend like a mofo

[modern brook]

What happened tofu :^(

[outer dew]

3 stack. Almost over. 4 extend. To a 5 extend on bursting

[warm plinth]

Someone hurt Tofu with bursting

[outer dew]

Makes me want to scream

[modern brook]

😠

[outer dew]

You know as pala all I got to aoe heal is beacon

And these dumb fucks extend past my beacon

What the fuck

[warm plinth]

That's how PUGs handle bursting every time.

[modern brook]

:nod:

the worst is when they hammer release too:^(

[warm plinth]

I find myself standing off to the side, anxiously watching the stack count to see if it's gonna drop, only to watch it refresh.

[outer dew]

Like what do you think is gonna happen when you refresh

[warm plinth]

Unicorns will fly out of the mob's ass and save you

[outer dew]

That I magically dump more healing out of thin air*

[modern brook]

UHHHHHHHHHHH THE MOB IS DEAD TOFU

[outer dew]

???

[modern brook]

NO ENEMY = 0 DAMAGE

UR WELCOME

[outer dew]

It's kind of insane how much hps you need

[modern brook]

bursting def a DPS affix imo

[outer dew]

Sitting at 30k-40k hps a pull for an 11

Then it drops because of a boss or mini boss

[warm plinth]

Yeah bursting is a DPS affix,until DPS fail at it, then it's a healer affix whether you like it or not 😂

[modern brook]

:^(

I know i meme with sounds like a healer problem a lot

[warm plinth]

What you do Tofu, is you just bubble and let them figure out why they died 😏

[modern brook]

but like too many people think thats a real philosophy with shit like bursting

U ever got 4->5->6 -> reap ->7?

in KR :^(((((

[outer dew]

Lmao

[warm plinth]

lullll

[outer dew]

I learned something the hard way

[warm plinth]

Just adding insult to injury

[outer dew]

Dont sac a tank during reaping

[warm plinth]

lol!

[outer dew]

Because if the fucker gets shadow smashed

I take like 60k

And fall over

[warm plinth]

I feel like you have to try to get shadow smashed

[primal sable]

If a tank gets shadowsmash you have more urgent issues

[outer dew]

Tell that to my health bar

I was thinking why did I disapewr

[modern brook]

To date the only smashes I've gotten hit by are from Visual glitches / Mob CC

[outer dew]

sac for 60k

K

[modern brook]

Now if u excuse me i have to go do a 15 shrine and stand in EVERY shadow smash by accident

[warm plinth]

And extend burst, don't forget!

[sand egret]

best part about playing a druid on Bursting week is being able to typhoon the mobs to fuck up my mongo dps from refreshing stacks.

[outer dew]

I hate this week on my druid

I feel so weak

):

[sand egret]

i can at least shift and heal myself through the end of a pull

warrior is like "my dps punishes meeeee"

[primal sable]

Just kill everything and die if you need to

Go down like a man

[sand egret]

naw, dying is the dps's job. I just made a pact with my healer that its us vs them

5 stack aint that bad when you're only worrying about two people 😃

[outer dew]

Aite blade

Gonna a move my pala to horde

And let you assassinate dps

[sand egret]

gotta get my trinket first!

[warm plinth]

Tofu traitor 😢

[outer dew]

You never invite me to anything

):

[sand egret]

I have such little sympathy for dps nowadays its hilarious

[warm plinth]

What is King Young Brad Pitt going to do without you

[sick sentinel]

"It's either me or you 4"

[sand egret]

3*

i care about my healer

[modern brook]

I have the paddles dude

Its me or u 4

:^)

[mental scarab]

the blightborn infusion trait was it any good for us? cant find it on icyveins

[warm plinth]

If it's not on IV, chances are it's bad

[mental scarab]

mhm deleted my chest for 3 weeks in a row now-.- and got that chest 2 times

[sand egret]

it's a bunch of crit, but comparative to Prot traits its not as solid. Personally, the RNG is pretty lacking for what I want out of an outer ring trait

[mental scarab]

but still bether then Callous Reprisal right?

[sand egret]

i'd still take CR over BI

but i prefer consistency over the RNG fiesta that is that trait

[warm plinth]

It's different when it's like Unstable Flames, which has huge uptime. But that trait is really not consistent at all.

The proc is big but yeah. Sim it though; I'm sure it's probably more DPS, so if that's all you care about, it might be the right choice.

[sand egret]

it's one of those long duration, lower proc rate things. Amazing if you haven't pulled for a while as you can get it at the start of a pull, but that's just it.

[modern brook]

CR > BBI by a mile

Crit is a pretty whatever stat

REvenge is used often in in st

[sand egret]

CR on the other hand is just consistent. Between those two, it really depends on how meme-y you wanna be. From a prog standpoint or actually caring about your "tanking", take CR. BBI will give you bursts of potential and some moments of just "woot"

[modern brook]

BBI is like 2 layers of RNG

[mental scarab]

yea but i mostly use rage for SB and IP on trash packs and revenge on proc

[modern brook]

CR is consistent DR and damage increase

Yeah that wont change 🤷

[mental scarab]

same on bosses <_< i wonna be nice to my healer

and we are masters of getting ML keys!

[topaz badger]

I got both items from first boss in coc, are they worth going 10 ilvls lower for what I had?

[modern brook]

@topaz badger no

[topaz badger]

not even the gloves?

[modern brook]

@mental scarab BBI is a random chance to get a bunch of a stat whos value itself is intrinsically tied to RNG. CR provides consitent DR (especially in AoE) and makes your dumps hita bit harder

No @topaz badger nothing is worth losing ilvl for

[topaz badger]

actually the stats are really low, damn

too bad :p

[sand egret]

it gives up a stat for the proc

[modern brook]

Well; very few things are worth losing ilvl for

[mental scarab]

@modern brook that is true 😃 crap

[sand egret]

unless its love

never sacrifice ilvl for love

[outer dew]

Bby. You're not worth losing ilvl for

[modern brook]

CR is def one of our weaker traits but its by no means weak

and, as marok states in the guide, consistency (and in this case, agency) is important for a tank

[sick sentinel]

BLASPHEMY

BLADE NO

3bom,1dc,2blightbourne is the literal god setup

[modern brook]

? Over MS?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[modern brook]

or is this a big meme

[sand egret]

im not endorsing this lol

[modern brook]

I feel like im being memed

[mental scarab]

i like the meme vibes

[modern brook]

:^(

[sick sentinel]

You become a literal god

I can't ping late

[sand egret]

yeah you show that one trash mob whos boss cuz lulRNG

[sick sentinel]

I want my backup

[mental scarab]

i have 2bom 1dc 1 if 1 bif and 1 blight

[sick sentinel]

Want a third bom for mplus

[sand egret]

when it hits it hits and when it doesnt...well that doesnt feel good

[mental scarab]

thats why deleted my chest every week /cry we are prog on oplunce

[sand egret]

i prefer not to gear like a full on slot machine 😃

[mental scarab]

its funxD

not

[sick sentinel]

Once you reach a critical mass of rng

[mental scarab]

but my guild dont understand that i need to to big dick dmg on trash m+

[sick sentinel]

It's falls on itself

[sand egret]

eh

[sick sentinel]

And then it's consistent

[mental scarab]

consistent crap

[sand egret]

yes and no

as this rng is also mutli-layered

[sick sentinel]

I have 5+ different haste procs

[sand egret]

haste aint crit

haste always gives returns

[sick sentinel]

There is at least 1 active at all times

[sand egret]

crit has a chance to give returns

[sick sentinel]

I do not endorse crit for raiding whatsoever

But nobody cares about the raid

[sand egret]

BBI was very disappointing for me in my tests

[modern brook]

V true

[sick sentinel]

Nothing does damage in the raid

[mental scarab]

and

4 healers to back y up

[modern brook]

I'd probaly Take bBI > BLoodsport

TBH

but i think CR beats it still, in M+ aoe scenarios

then again I'm also Critted to all hell in natty stats

I have like ~1.4k crit lol

[outer dew]

I stack mastery tbh

:^)

[mental scarab]

i did noticed a diff when i went from 26% crit to 22%

[outer dew]

Mastery enchants. All the fat mastery

[mental scarab]

parry

[modern brook]

A bout 4% more crits @mental scarab ?

[mental scarab]

not crit

xD

[modern brook]

:^)

[sick sentinel]

@outer dew yeah but nobody cares about you anyway

[modern brook]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF

I gem/enchant for haste

[outer dew]

Wowow

[modern brook]

because i advocate the guide too hard

[outer dew]

Very rude kaege

[mental scarab]

have 13%crit 19% haste 41% mast with 416 ilv

[sick sentinel]

Yeah because you are a normal person, unlike somebody else @modern brook

[modern brook]

gotta get those numbers up sabel

those are rookie numbers

[mental scarab]

BUT

0% leech dho

[modern brook]

are you even death warrior?

[sick sentinel]

Doesn't matter lol

[mental scarab]

no /cry

[sick sentinel]

Leach doesn't matter

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel what did i do?

gem hastE?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[mental scarab]

gem armor pen

[modern brook]

i just like going fast tbh

super sad i have the mog equivlants of the MS build rather thent he MS build

wnated 3bom 1dc 2 MS

ZYYYYYYOOOOOM

[sick sentinel]

I run 2bom 1rng 1dc 1 ms 1if

[mental scarab]

MS?

[modern brook]

Meticulous schemeing

there was a stealth fix yesterday or the day before that fixed a proc rate issue

moved its uptime from like 20 to 35~ ish or sometihng like that

[sand egret]

pretty meticulous of them to tweak that

[modern brook]

I think its apart of their scheme to make warrior obsolete

[naive panther]

Have chest with bom and ms now shoulders with it.

[modern brook]

Seo's living my dream

Helm of Abyssal whatever ???

[naive panther]

No helm yet

[modern brook]

No helms with MS on them

So you go AByssal something

For BoM +DC +OP

[sand egret]

Malevolence

[modern brook]

and u get 3 bom 2 ms 1 dc 2 OP

thanks blade :^)

I think 1 UF for 3rd inner idr

[naive panther]

Ah. I have eng helm then one with bom and filthy then one with reck flury and gutripper.

So fishing for helms next

[modern brook]

Engiehelm is a good 2ndary imo

really just guts ur 3rd BoM

[naive panther]

Did jaina prog with triple rf and devastator last night.

[modern brook]

U man!

[naive panther]

Was fun beating shadow priests

[modern brook]

Just checked

SUPER big tease that RF is on the same row as MS :^(

on both peices

[naive panther]

Yeah

My other rf shoulder has ruinous bolt with which is meh

[daring marlin]

I use engi helm for my setup

I have to use engi helm for all 3 specs tbh lol

[wind scroll]

I heard that prot warriors are getting some nerfs?

[daring marlin]

800 breaths worth of crafted shit

Barely anything

We’ll still be dps kangz

[wind scroll]

Oh that's it? .. i thought it seemed rather insignificant in the pins, so i figured these nerfs would be more than that 😂

[undone sun]

Not yet

[naive panther]

The dps nerf will hurt my feals. But king of blockable damage reduction. Only tank that feels like a tank. So still king imo

Engineer helm just is good enough for me to not use my bom helm but believe there’s one that’s better

[warm plinth]

We'll just have to see how it looks when all is said and done. With some of these essences, we may see more nerfs, we may see essence nerfs, or we may end up being pretty much exactly where we are now overall.

[naive panther]

Without nerfs can see Paladins getting insane

[modern brook]

I honestly expect more to come our way

[warm plinth]

same. Would be pointless to nerf UF by 50% and then these essences just give us 30% more uptime on Avatar lol

[naive panther]

Well it’s inherently increasing the gap between tanks that have shit cooldowns like veng. Also with proposed veng buffs it’s still dumpster tier.

[modern brook]

I actually think 3CR + Vengeance + Best SErved Cold + Lucid Dream will be 8.2 meta

Venge's current buff line makes it playable though

I just dont think its a good fix to a fundementally broken class 🤷

[naive panther]

It’s not. But yeah playable sure. Good? Certainly not.

[warm plinth]

VDH is an easy fix. Nerf DS, make it 100% effective uptime with proper play. Ezpz

They did the nerfing part. Now they just need to do the uptime part

[modern brook]

🤷 you still have all the other problems

[sick sentinel]

bull that sounds

a bit delusional

imo

[modern brook]

I can dream Kaege

Revenge of Revenge

[empty inlet]

Vdh needs alot more help

Than it's getting on ptr

[undone sun]

Almost as if it's still months away

[warm plinth]

Weird

[naive panther]

Needs a redesign cause it’s trash but there’s also a million bandaids to make it ok

[sick sentinel]

there are 2 months until 8.2

[outer dew]

Vdh needs control on their healing

[modern brook]

VDH will not get the rework it needs in 8.2 🤷 of that we can be sure

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I would agree with that.

They'll get some bandaids, as SEOINAGE said

[modern brook]

between now and 8.2 I expect more bandaid buffs to VDH and some more minor nerfs to prot

[outer dew]

Moving steps to get your healing I'd a mene

[warm plinth]

But there won't be any redesign happening until the new expansion most likely.

[modern brook]

Maybe a small buff to BDKs

[warm plinth]

You don't move steps to get healed though; Spirit Bomb/Soul Cleave get your frags for you

[modern brook]

Maybe some other bear buffs 🤷

[outer dew]

Probably wont see it with them releasing

Yes but if you move

[modern brook]

Soul Bomb needs to tick, tbh (im shrugging too much)

[outer dew]

You cant pool your grags

[warm plinth]

They need to just get rid of that bullshit 8% of damage taken crap

[outer dew]

Frags

[warm plinth]

And move it back to either a % of AP or a static max HP heal

[sick sentinel]

5 fragments are 40% of damage taken

which is not nessesarily bad

unless you get oneshot

[modern brook]

its ~ a DS isnt it?

[sick sentinel]

isn't ds 25%?

[modern brook]

IDK i dont play shit classes :^)

[warm plinth]

Basically, except far shittier because you can't use them when you need them; you just use them rotationally.

Which I guess you do with Death Strike as well, but it's more impactful when it's cast.

[sick sentinel]

you can pool them

[empty inlet]

Shield block is 100% :)

[modern brook]

U can pool RP a lot easier than Frags though

[warm plinth]

Yeah

Soul Cleave should have been scrapped; it's actually crazy that they thought that was something that needed to survive the expansion.

It's probably the worst feeling button to press in the entire game

[empty inlet]

Dk pretty much dies with out cd anyways would be fine class if they have anger management:)

[modern brook]

I mean shear too 🤷

[empty inlet]

Or you know working traits :)

[warm plinth]

Yeah but Shear is something we see with other specs a la Devastate, Demon's Bite, Swipe

[modern brook]

Dont they have An AM equivlent?

like red thirst or something

it competes with bone storm

[full spruce]

Not playing fracture feels like you’re on a assembly line pressing buttons just to spirit bomb

[warm plinth]

DK have Red Thirst yeah

But it's not really a competitor for Bonestorm iirc, since you don't need to use VB on CD

[modern brook]

I mean If we're being real Fracture + SB Are just talent taxes

[warm plinth]

and Bonestorm does damage

[full spruce]

But it just lowers CD of vampiric blood

I mean I play all 6 tanks regularly to keep them raid ready and outside infernal striking its at least not as boring as bear

[modern brook]

Like its impressive that you can have 2 rotationally impactful talents that have 0 impact on your rotation

[warm plinth]

Ikr lol

[full spruce]

I always looked at demon spikes and fiery brand like sotr and agent defender

Argent derp

[naive panther]

I think they screwed up the dk nerf.

Flat out takes too much damage now

My dk is 417 and it feels a lot like dh minus the fact dk has cooldowns...

[olive merlin]

@naive panther I agree.. sometimes I feel like if I don't have left over rp and bones from the last pack and I go into the next pack I have a good chance of getting deleted before I can get bones and a ds off.

[modern brook]

DK def got overnerfed

[chilly brook]

DK overnerfed

Pepega

[vocal skiff]

Feels bad when someone adds you after a M+ and you can't accept them because their friends list is full lol

On another matter, reaping in TD is so buggy

I love reaping, but it sure is annoying in some dungeons

[modern brook]

RIP friendship

Huh; def wrong chat but works there too

[sick sentinel]

@modern brook can't believe this is how I find out

[modern brook]

😬

[sick sentinel]

:(

[sand condor]

@umbral forge did i suck

[umbral forge]

you probably did good

[modern brook]

❤

great job at probably not sucking @sand condor :^)

[sand condor]

😄

[sick sentinel]

did I suck

[modern brook]

probably not

[sick sentinel]

bull wanna run keys today

on my sin

[modern brook]

:grimace

[sick sentinel]

since my fury is like 388

[modern brook]

uhhh im not against the idea

in like theory

[sick sentinel]

I need you to carry my fury and help me gear

basically

give me all your loot

[limber breach]

Hey guys what would u pick out of these

420 shield
6575 block
2630 armor
228 str
404 stam
85 vers
55 mastery```
or 

415 shield
6340 block
2536 armor
217 str
382 stam
84 crit
54 haste
59 avoidance```

I am already 414 ilvl equipped

[modern brook]

420; because more block

[limber breach]

even tho its bis stats on 415? I was thinking it would be nice to smash dmg in keys?

[modern brook]

??

ur bis stat is more

[sick sentinel]

more stats

[modern brook]

and block is only availabel on 1 items slot

[sick sentinel]

is bis

[modern brook]

so the 420 is ur bis

because it has more

[limber breach]

I see, thanks. In theory tho u guys saying bis for plain survivalbility right? Dmg wise, which one would be better?

[modern brook]

420

I'm not saying its bis for surv

im saying its bis

because it has more stats

which is better

Like having better allocated 2ndaries is significantly behind the strength loss from dropping ilvls

[limber breach]

Aight thanks mate

[modern brook]

yup

also we're talking like ~1% difference in stat allocation

[limber breach]

had to decide fast because other ppl in guild want the 415 one xD dont wanna give it away if i needed it but had limited time to decide

[modern brook]

And its your most important item slot*, defensively speaking

@sick sentinel i wont have a full group tonight; cause of raid

so we'd probably be pugging 🤷

I also have to stay late at work cause im leaving tomorrow; IDK when I'll be free to start

[sick sentinel]

lol fair

I don't even raid anymore

I'll go for cutting edge Agata

azshara

I made a thing about prot gearing

who wants to read it

ilvl > all

because I got bored answering the questions

it's basically an extension of ilvl>haste>rest

So got 64% uptime with Avatar yesterday with VoP essence :
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K7rDwdJtXYvZaHTz#fight=2&type=auras&source=2&view=timeline

Then I got 61% uptime with Wings today with VoP essence :
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8RbhBGKapdH9V7nr#fight=6&type=auras&source=3

61% wings

..lol

[sand egret]

that's the shit right there

[sick sentinel]

64% avatar uptime but 59% BoM uptime

interesting

[sand egret]

seems that BoM doesn't refresh

[modern brook]

bom is on cast isnt it? (its not)

[sand egret]

if you get an avatar proc during an avatar proc. I'm seeing a BoM for 20 seconds during a 30 second avatar window

[modern brook]

also Kaege i want to read it :^)

big l i t e r a t u r e man

[soft kindle]

If you get a proc of avatar during a natural, manual avatar cast, BoM will not extend

🤷 all it is

[sand egret]

yeah that's what it looks like

[fresh valley]

64% up time? so much

[sand egret]

only had two instances of it, but it also looks like getting a proc during an actual full length Avatar pandemics it

[oblique garnet]

still pretty much lower end of avatar uptime imo

on ptr

[crisp pecan]

this shiet any gut?

[sand egret]

since in those logs both instances were exactly 30 seconds

it's very good, yes

[sick sentinel]

very good yes

[sand egret]

154, 647 healing in the optimal situation for that trinket

so, not too shabby for a 1 min cd

does it prioritize enemies over allies though?

[crisp pecan]

i hope allies 1st prio

[sick sentinel]

LOL

it's enemies prio

[crisp pecan]

meh :/

[sand egret]

gotta work for your kills

i dig it

[fresh valley]

proc it at the end of the pull during bursting just to eff with your healers

[sick sentinel]

"I wanted to healmyself"

puts team into grievous

[oblique garnet]

9 stacks of bursting no enemies in sight

its time

[modern brook]

"I'm helping you DPS"

[sand egret]

If it means a dps is that much more aware of their hp pool (and therefore more willing to not ignore mechanics...) due to fear of me killing them, I think I'm doing my job. 😄

think of this as the rolled up newspaper trinket for dps

[oblique garnet]

If i get it

I will kill a dps

I dont care

he was low enough to die

[primal sable]

why are you always so toxic late

[modern brook]

thats not toxic; thats facts

[primal sable]

great disdain for damage dealers

not that i blame him

[modern brook]

big 🐒s

[oblique garnet]

its because i used to play dps

and i know if you are low hp its because you did something stupid

a.k.a standing in shit

[primal sable]

what kind of dps

when i played dps i never took damage

kinda hard when you have balance affinity as feral

[oblique garnet]

warlock

i didnt stand in stupid

i saw many others stand in stupid

[sand egret]

I'm with Late, as I said earlier today. I have little to no sympathy for DPS in this game after so many years.

[sick sentinel]

my dps were making excuses and I was like ok

and then I went ahead and played their class

and everytime they were trying to use the same shit again

I knew what their class can do

[modern brook]

@sand egret my Druid is officially Gonk'd idk if i told you

[sand egret]

with addons the way they are and stuff.....half of the "skill" elements of mental taxation of a spec are non-existant

[sick sentinel]

so I shoot them down every time

[modern brook]

gonk + feral nyoom`

[sand egret]

so I don't really give a DPS who complains about having to avoid stuff + dps the time of day

[oblique garnet]

only time where i understand the struggle as ranged with not instant casts is when its freehold and harpooners are a thing

those things are pain in the ass

[sand egret]

harpooners are legit annoying

[oblique garnet]

anything other is not justified

[sand egret]

or like getting hit with random casts....then I stop and think for a second....why didn't they just interrupt it? and I go back to my usual stance

also, I'm proud of you

zoom spec is le fun

[modern brook]

My personal favorite game to play when pugging is "how long until the demon hunter presses his kick"

Harlan as 3rd boss is the furthest into a dungeon I've gotten so far

[sand egret]

I ran with a friend and her guild to do some ez +12s last night. Did SotS, while not a walk in the park by any means, and it was the clear that it was the first time the other two dps (my friend being the 3rd dps) had ever had an interrupt order. Needless to say they were floored at how much smoother the 2nd boss went and I was like..."well..."

[sick sentinel]

I wanna use gift

as prot

but to get it I have to go fury spec

and that puts the tank trinket out of the table

[vocal skiff]

Would you pull 3 pack at the start of FH with lust

or shroud to boss

This week, I mean

[sick sentinel]

we pulled 3pack in the 19 today

went well

[vocal skiff]

Pulled 3 pack with a pug today, healer struggled

[oblique garnet]

How do you get demon hunters that are not interrupting

[vocal skiff]

and struggled later when I did reaping with skycap

[oblique garnet]

i have to play a game when i have random dhs and i want to reflect is to wait for them to interrupt before reflecting because they are tryharding for kicks

[tender phoenix]

which trinket should i trade out for[Idol of Indiscriminate Consumption] 395(socket, if it makes a difference) [Diamond-Laced Refracting Prism]400 or [Jes' Howler]410 ??

[sick sentinel]

fuck it, I would trade prism

[umbral forge]

Do 11 Freehold
Tank takes a constant 40-50k Damage Per Second

[sand egret]

@oblique garnet the key is to condition your DHs. I find that they are either the twitchy ones who kick INSTANTLY or the ones who optimize and wait till the end (but will still kick the third one). Then of course there's the idiots....

[dense flame]

So for pushing would you want prism and new trinket? Or would you go prism/new trinket + gore/rezan/etc.

[oblique garnet]

i havent used prism in a long time

i got a knot with socket + alch trinket now

[dense flame]

I have anchor/gore socket/rezan/RAGE socket/prism 420. Just not sure what I’d like to combo. Preferably I’d go anchor RAGE or anchor gore. Sometimes I feel the prism is helpful tho.

Guess it’s not really that huge a difference.

Just looking for some opinions on where people would place new trinket at comparatively to this line-up in a pushing scenario.

[oblique garnet]

@sand egret I did the math i only have to do 30 heroic islands a day while doing the ap sweep to get to 50 neck by next wednesday !!! ITS DOABLE

[vocal skiff]

why would you torture yourself like that

[warm plinth]

He's preparing for the torture of how many claps he's going to have to do in 8.2

[oblique garnet]

i already ordered the floorpedals

[warm plinth]

😂

[oblique garnet]

no joke

15€

for floorpedals for pc

[vocal skiff]

So your wrist can match the height of your elbow?

[warm plinth]

I'm trying to decide if my tendency to bounce my foot is going to be a help or a hinderance if get floorpedals

[coarse oracle]

so how good is that Idol of Indiscriminate Consumption?

just got it

compared to prism and feather that is

[oblique garnet]

pretty good

also these islands are surprisingly relaxing content @vocal skiff i just watch streams and press 123

[warm plinth]

Binding anything but TC in 2k19 😏

[oblique garnet]

gotta have sb and sw

[warm plinth]

Fair enough

[oblique garnet]

also

150k shield slams : )

[warm plinth]

Wut lol

[vocal skiff]

They are relaxing to do 4 times a week

After that, it becomes a bit mind numbing

But that comes to personal preference of course

[oblique garnet]

yeah @warm plinth you get big shieldslams with flashfire brew

[sand egret]

Oh, Late, I've hooked up a Drum pedal to play games before... 😃

that clap idea is definitely something I'm going to try

[warm plinth]

oh is that one of the fun expedition items?

My favorite is Lightprism/Sun Stone

Obviously not on a warrior though 😅

[sick sentinel]

So I just go the inside scoop for the tank tier list by Method Sco here's what he's gonna list for 8.2 from best to worst:
Brewmaster Mink
Vengeance
Feral
Prot
Blood Death Knight
Prot

[open bluff]

sco apparently hasn't heard of visions of perfection

[undone sun]

Which prot?
Yes.

[oblique garnet]

Sco is an idiot

Dont @ me

[sick sentinel]

@undone sun gets it

[open bluff]

@oblique garnet you're not wrong

[oblique garnet]

Did i stutter?

I said dont @ me

[undone sun]

@oblique garnet factually not incorrect

[open bluff]

you're not my real dad

[sick sentinel]

But for real I'm thinking of making a tier list of classes/specs for re-roller

For 8.2

[open bluff]

but seriously without further nerfs, the unstoppable force nerf is largely irrelevant once you get rank 3 of visions of perfection

[sick sentinel]

Nah fam don't u remember

That's a uge nerf

So huge in fact I won't check the pins

@oblique garnet how do you feel about the price of rice in China?

[open bluff]

i mean, if they were to put it in right now as a hotfix

it would be a bigger deal

[sick sentinel]

Eh

Nobody would budge

Simply because of gearing

I was more shocked they just nerfed only the damage honestly and not the the CD

[undone sun]

yet

[sick sentinel]

Just you wait INR

Oh I know

[open bluff]

honestly i'm surprised they didn't increase avatar's cd with the initial tuning

[soft kindle]

@oblique garnet

[sick sentinel]

I had to tank jaina

for like

an hour

because our BRM was away

fuck that bitch

Dude it was normal

1000 times I would rather play fury on her

It's not hard

Just don't die

[daring bay]

How good is Prot survavilbity?

Iknow people take warriors for their dmg

[undone sun]

real good

[daring bay]

like Dk level good?

[undone sun]

not a glass cannon

better

[daring bay]

Like Monk level good? :O

[undone sun]

no

[soft kindle]

Prot's probably the best tank for physical damage 🤷

[silk mortar]

Blockable physical damage ye :?)

[sick sentinel]

Am i doing something wrong? Im 400 item level and feel squishy in keys

[warm plinth]

Probably, tbh

[sick sentinel]

Suggestions?

[warm plinth]

Make sure you're keeping Shield Block up above all else. Make sure you're spending excess rage on IP whenever needed to supplement Shield Block. Make sure you're using Last Stand to fill in Shield Block uptime gaps

[sick sentinel]

I get worried i play to offensive maybe thats it?

[warm plinth]

If you're using Revenge when it's not free, you're doing it wrong.

[sick sentinel]

Your a genius you fixed my problem fhen

Then

[warm plinth]

Not saying you'll never use it when it isn't free, but your default should be to not use it if it isn't procced.

[sick sentinel]

In legion i could get away with it so i think i fell into thst mind set

Used bracers and gloves as leggos

[warm plinth]

Yeah, well, especially at the end of Legion we were basically drowning in Rage so that was kinda the mentality

Just spend it however you can basically

[sick sentinel]

Yea yea but i gotcha i will focus on not using revenage unless free

What % haste is good before into the fray stacks?

[sand egret]

If you're coming from Legion, I gotta reiterate: SB > IP. 😃

we aren't in the world of massive IP shields of inifinity

[undone sun]

any amount of haste is good, if anyone says otherwise it's based on feelycraft and does not matter

[sand egret]

he aint got thyme for feelycraft

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel ALL the haste

[brisk ferry]

"like DK good" hahahahaha

[pseudo ember]

Quick question: I see some people saying not to stack more than 1 DC, and I see some people saying to go 3 BOM 3 DC

for mythic+ setting

[brisk ferry]

3dc is purely for DPS

[warm plinth]

3 DC is basically just full bore DPS

It's not the overall recommended setup because you get no defensive benefit at all out of the other 2 DC traits.

[pseudo ember]

Gotcha

[warm plinth]

Typically for M+ you can do 3x BoM, 1x DC, and 2 IF

And that'd be solid (or the 3 DC if you don't care about the 2 defensive traits)

For raiding I'm not sure if people are doing 3x BoM or not. BfI becomes really good in a raid setting though.

[drowsy relic]

has anyone tried meticulous scheming in M+? does it provide decent defensive and offensive value with the haste it provides?