i should also roll shoulders because fuck bloodsport
#protection
lusty grotto
potent anvil
I think there's only 2 pieces afaik that has MS on plate. Kraken Shell Shoulders and Ashvane's chest.
lusty grotto
hmm
potent anvil
I'll look at helm, but I'm wearing the shoulders and chest atm
lusty grotto
im pretty sure i have kraken shell shoulders already
strong forum
so i should run MS over BFI on ashvane chest now?
modern brook
@strong forum sick impact dude
lusty grotto
yeah no residuum helm with it
strong forum
Only l33t crit allowed
oblique garnet
Deswind can you confirm me whats the NA island vendors name
lusty grotto
you got it right deswind, those are the only 2 pieces
potent anvil
probably MS for m+ if you wanted instead of bfi on ashvane
oblique garnet
IT IS FLASHFIRE
modern brook
so is MS > 2nd +3rd DC / CR / BS now?
strong forum
tfw could go 2x OP 1x MS + 415 rage and rezans for that ultra haste
astral crystal
what's MS again
lusty grotto
scheming
potent anvil
this has been my setup for m+ ever since i was able to get both pieces
https://i.imgur.com/Ksp0lUr.png
huge haste gains from procs
strong forum
eng helm is huge
strong forum
get it then
lusty grotto
nah
strong forum
i consider it BiS
modern brook
@potent anvil i think i can make that rn lol
strong forum
but i like bombs more than rng, which i've said too often at this point in this channel π
lusty grotto
fuck i hate the outer ring on abyssal malevolence
potent anvil
This was from a last night waycrest, which led me to believe it got secretly buffed
https://i.imgur.com/uHmiVQ6.png
on a 28 min run. So it's a lot closer to its 1ppm, affected by haste.
modern brook
ocassionally
strong forum
abyssal malevolence is insane helmet what do you mean
the only helmet i would use over engi helm i reckon
if at all
potent anvil
yeah, it has bom and OP on it
strong forum
tfw ashvane has BOM OP and MS
lusty grotto
yeah well
i was gonna get it
but now i have to roll for 2 pieces
im using sea-brawler's
wait no
ill just get it
i already do have kraken shell
strong forum
i scrapped kraken shell twice i think
lusty grotto
i was using it for fury
lusty grotto
swaperinoo there
strong forum
haHA
lusty grotto
yup i do have them
oblique garnet
oh you mean this? : )
oblique garnet
hm
sand egret
415 + 5?
lusty grotto
is this a shop?
sand condor
GIVE ME RINGS
lusty grotto
OH
lusty grotto
fuck im dumb
modern brook
You are nim :^)
sand egret
yeeep.
lusty grotto
jesus christ lmao
modern brook
more like nim π
sand condor
i thought people were talking about rings ):
modern brook
haha
lusty grotto
that was a pretty loud brain fart
sand egret
Late is just a tryhard with maxed azerite
modern brook
yeah Late is a big tryer
sand egret
i'm out here unlocking my 3rd ring like a pro
sand egret
i ran 2 out of 4
like, I ran 2 on one character and just couldn't be bothered with the last two to finish the quest
strong forum
46 here, 43 on DH, 41 on pally
lusty grotto
def a try hard late
sand egret
100%
lusty grotto
200% tryhard
lusty grotto
im 44, so anything higher = try hard
oblique garnet
i have every characters neck at 42-47
lusty grotto
ok so magechip is 36, nimchipadin is 37, nimchy is .... 40? what the fuck how is nimchy 40
oblique garnet
Nim
strong forum
oof
lusty grotto
k
modern brook
I carry my guild through islands lol
lusty grotto
π
sand condor
im 48
lusty grotto
hmmm...
last gust
48 here, minimal effort if you're not wasting time on alts ;P
sand egret
all ya'll getting hooked on that Magni' Dust
oblique garnet
i have alts too
sand egret
I said NO to that shit
stoic pilot
I got forced into wqs daily so I ended up at 50 and now I dunno what to do
undone sun
:azerite:
stoic pilot
Cuz thereβs no conversion or anything
lusty grotto
pfft try hards
lusty grotto
im just wondering why nimchy is so high on neck lvl
sand condor
i wanted to look good for @umbral forge
cus now i can always say im better at at least one thing
oblique garnet
Dont bother impressing jettom
sand condor
and its mindlessly grinding ap
sand egret
yeah that was your first mistake
sand condor
but he aggressively recruited me as his main tank
lusty grotto
whats going on here
sand condor
and i was benched for being a better tnak than my old gm ):
modern brook
JEttom + Vic is my favorite tellanovella tbh
sand condor
should i be scared
sand egret
see if you're always worried about the size of your neck level to impress others, you'll never be satisfied. Remember Vic, Jettom really doesn't care about the size of the level of the neck, but how you use it. π
umbral forge
Vic has yet to equip a fedora mid raid.
potent anvil
Seize the Moment! (meticulous scheming buff) uptime on a 5:30 fight, btw
https://i.imgur.com/S3ULsBH.png
strong forum
ehm guys, wtf is wrong with raidbots sims
cerulean tusk
Anyone know how hard TC will be nerfed next patch?
lusty grotto
umbral forge
not even blizz does
undone sun
strong forum
sand egret
:checkthe...fuck
potent anvil
cerulean tusk
So only the trait getting nerfed by 50% ye?
lusty grotto
trait?
cerulean tusk
Pftz, noone cares about that :3
lusty grotto
talent*
sand egret
@potent anvil not gonna lie I read that screen shot as Met Scheming is the actual buff with the haste and was like "man that uptime is shit..."
potent anvil
lol, yeah seize the moment is the actual buff
undone sun
semantics, they meant talent
lusty grotto
oh ok
dense flame
So you would keep 1x EarthLink and stack 2x ms? Vs 3x DC for dmg?
potent anvil
I would stack MS > DC, since more than 1 DC doesnt do anything defensively and MS gives you haste which is good all around imo.
umbral forge
@sand condor you're among my top 6 favorite guild members I don't have romantic feelings for
lusty grotto
i just dont wanna brain fart yet again today
dense flame
Fsho I hear that.
sand egret
Yeah, I'd take MS over DC anyway (as I don't like the pure meme builds) but now it's a slam dunk
(after the first DC, ofc)
potent anvil
huge shield block uptime increase with all that haste. feelsgood. smoothing your damage intake even more
sand egret
Met gives a huge amount of haste
for a "condition" that is largely negligible considering how many different abilities appear in our priority
sand egret
HE DID IT TOO
modern brook
thats absurd
potent anvil
yeah lol
sand egret
at least I'm not the only idiot who read it that way
potent anvil
meticulous scheming buff is where you need to use 3 different abilities (easily done as prot)
modern brook
yeah
wheat bronze
Meticulous is the initial buff but changes to Seize after you fulfill the requirement
potent anvil
seize the moment is the actual haste buff
sand egret
does IP count?
wheat bronze
Yes
sand egret
then it's even easier lol
modern brook
^
wheat bronze
The use of a potion or a healthstone counts too
modern brook
MS -> AVatar -> SB -> TC -> DEMO -> Destruction
potent anvil
hopefully they dont nerf the haste though lol. pretty much playing at fury warrior levels of haste
modern brook
just keep it on the DL
dont tell people past today
they'll never know
"UHHHHHHHHHH CLASS > GENERICS DUH!!"
wheat bronze
I've gotten up to 150ish% haste using the mekka trinket
woven trellis
whats MS and TC and Destruction
potent anvil
yeah i hit 140%+ with just traits + bloodlust lol. so i want to get mekka and go at pepega speeds
modern brook
NOTHING :^)
woven trellis
ok tc thunderclap
wheat bronze
That was without hero
wheat bronze
Would be even more insane with hero
woven trellis
i have trouble with acronyms
woven trellis
what is that Meticulous scheming
wheat bronze
It's an azerite trait that gives you a haste buff if you use 3 unique abilities in an 8 second window
potent anvil
I wouldn't say absolutely. It's been recently fixed/buffed (today) making it a very strong generic trait.
wheat bronze
It's not an absolute must
woven trellis
kk
modern brook
ITs the better option on the peices that have it
wheat bronze
What changed with it? Didn't see anything
potent anvil
for m+, you probably just go double MS
potent anvil
Fixed an issue that caused it to proc less than intended
potent anvil
It averaged around 20-22% uptime before. Now it's around 33%~ and I believe affected by haste, but I could be wrong.
wheat bronze
Self feeding system, gives you more uptime when it procs, would be nice if true
modern brook
I'm here for the forbidden feeback loops brother
wheat bronze
I feel like it used to give a higher uptime a few weeks ago. Maybe they broke it? I was getting about 40% uptime on Seize on Opulence on 2/26
potent anvil
It could have been fixed prior to today's patch. I had a high uptime on it last night in m+ and noticed it thru logs.
But I have logs of the buff before, and it was around 20%~ uptime in general.
wheat bronze
Yeah, last few weeks it was definitely 18-25% for me
but like 2 months ago it was 35-40% on some fights
potent anvil
Could have been lucky
wheat bronze
Yeah, probably
potent anvil
I have numerous m+ logs with it a month or so ago and just never seemed to break past like 25% uptime at most.
wheat bronze
I had 60% uptime on Champions, but a sub 90 second kill will do that π
potent anvil
Last night I was seeing 32-33% consistently over 4 runs.
sand egret
yeah when I ran tests on that trait months back it came in at ~22-25%
30+ is a nice buff
wheat bronze
Great detail per usual
lusty grotto
@potent anvil
sand egret
wouldn't be surprised if the issue was an inconsistency with what causes it to trigger
specifically it not triggering on X category of ability or interaction. Would explain why testing in certain scenarios may/may not show the same results
wheat bronze
Yeah, rip
I was just talking about that with my team
Fury is still durable enough without it
potent anvil
Yeah I saw the post. Might have been fixed prior to the announcement since I was looking over some m+ logs last night and noticed the buff higher than usual.
lusty grotto
yeah i think it was hotfixed yesterday or sat
wheat bronze
Feel like diamond nerf was in earlier in the week too
lusty grotto
i remember seeing it with the diamond thing
lusty grotto
i havent arena'd at all this expansion
but people here know how i absolutely fucking dislike fury
so i guess im not missing much
wheat bronze
Go arms and do RBGs
lusty grotto
nah
i got my glad title
its fine
i dislike rbgs with pugs, or without any coordination
im already annoyed at the fact that i've been having to go back to pugging keys
besides getting into rbgs at this time in the season is hard enough
wheat bronze
Meh, I just get my season achievement for 15s and sell keys for the rest of the season
lusty grotto
if i had any sort of consistent team i would sell for sure
fresh valley
i might make selling runs my primary way of buying game time, didn't realize it was so... easy
lusty grotto
yeah
tired cove
@potent anvil wtb more strims old man
sick sentinel
nim why hate fury
lusty grotto
because ive been arms + prot since day 1
sick sentinel
bandwagoner
lusty grotto
day 1 as in vanilla day 1
potent anvil
@tired cove
sick sentinel
bandwagoner
tired cove
@potent anvil
next goblet
is DC still mandatory to tank?
i'd lose it for a 415 azerite piece.. currently rocking a 390 fully upgraded
next goblet
thats the plan
tropic star
wut
lusty grotto
old news
tropic star
jesus
worthy dagger
idc, that thing is broken
worthy dagger
not enough for blizz
lusty grotto
bind tclap to mousewheel
worthy dagger
its on the ptr
undone sun
π nothing π is π final π
lusty grotto
when you say
they are nerfing it but theyre buffing it
you refer to the same thing
they are not
wheat bronze
Thyme said it's final, it must be true
undone sun
π€¦
woven trellis
no im talking about the nerf in 8.2and then there is this
undone sun
i mean, people are already maintaining paladin wings for 5 minutes +
dense flame
So if you go MS. Go pepega mekka trinket for fun
dense flame
Thought gore or rezan with prism would be bis combo? Vs gore anchor for dps?
lusty grotto
rezan is better defensively
but RAGE is strong with Block
offensively probs
any of the two combos is fine, just one leans towards defensiveness and the other towards dps
dense flame
I used to go rage and anchor. Was pretty fun
lusty grotto
yeah that's a great dps combo
grizzled fog
How do u deal w the adds after third boss on KR, the severing blade and whatnot ticks a lot
dusty tusk
either have everyone out range it, or just have a dps take a stack, you dont want 2 stacks on you
or have a pet stay on them
and let pet take one for the team
tired cove
if you have shield wall up you should be fine for 1
other then that build aggro run like a bitch
candid bronze
would u guys use a 405 socketed [Mchimba's Ritual Bandages] over a 400 WQ trinket with low mastery use?
for m+
astral crystal
aw man they changed it
oh nevermind
completely ignored the passive
sick
that's fucking lit
lusty grotto
Wq trinket @candid bronze
Sloot frantically pressing f6
Excuse me blizzard what's going on here
sand egret
hold up
lusty grotto
"numerically destroyed"
sand egret
base duration maybe...
sand egret
jesus christ people are going to be so confused
lusty grotto
20 bucks it gets changed to defensive cool downs
sand egret
βBUT SLOOT SAID DUMPSTEREDβ
sand egret
yeah thatll get shifted to Shield Wall
sand egret
no way that stays on Avatar/Avenging Wrath
supple plover
Vamp blood
sand egret
ohh even weirdr
lusty grotto
Imagine Anger Management
undone sun
SI for bear π
sand egret
thats sneaky good Thyme
supple plover
Meta for DH
sand egret
i have a theory
lusty grotto
Lets put our imagination caps on
supple plover
Rip DH
supple plover
Essence better than gluttony
sand egret
that MI stacking is going to be bears BoM it that proc refreshes the buff
undone sun
doubtful
hasty island
hello guys
need your help. I am an officer and my guild is progression on mythic jaina
and we got a new trial tank who dies 1/3 pulls on the boat phase
can any1 have a look at logs and tell me if he is doing good / lack of healing or screwing up?
ocean acorn
hasty island
got it, thanks
undone sun
i mean, can also get help from here, but with just hearsay it's hard to give correct feedback. posting logs will help a lot @hasty island
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet
did my WA work?
my heart of frost one
the load condition is bad
but
it will work
I'd change the encounter ID to be jaina
sick sentinel
I updated it
recently
to have it only load during the Jaina encounter
it's a small aura so it makes minimal difference anyway, however.
I told you guys
I have a vision
oh?
a vision of perfection
oblique garnet
Nothing good comes when someone says "I have a vision"
oblique garnet
WOW
sick sentinel
look
oblique garnet
I SAW THAT
oblique garnet
Weep wanna play civ5?
neon tangle
@sand egret It's pretty wimpy for BDK
sick sentinel
the past 2 weeks I have changed my sleep schedule
and I go to sleep at like 2 and wake up at like 10
so I can be a normal person
I was out doing irl stuff the whole day
came back home at 10 to do a weekly 10 on my 355 mage
sand egret
word on the street is that the Viision of Perf is ~ 20% proc rate
sick sentinel
@oblique garnet id have to like reinstall it but maybe
and then I helped the friend that boosted me do on his weekly 10 on his 360alt
and then I capped islands on mage
neon tangle
It's mostly just weird that it's defensive for half the tanks, offensive for the other half
sick sentinel
@neon tangle avatar is a defensive :))
sand egret
yeah, I dunno why it's on Av and not Shield Wall, personally
BUt hey, I ain't complaining
sick sentinel
I woke up at 10, I took care of my niece while my mother was cooking and then I talked to people irl and shit
yes I am visiting my parents for easter
sand egret
and?
sick sentinel
it would have been 4 seconds I think
sand egret
it's activation is LONGER than the duration for SI
oblique garnet
also reducing shieldwalls duration even more
if we get even more defensives its gonna be nerfed hard
sand egret
duration or cooldown
oblique garnet
and then we will be vdh
sand egret
because this arguably does this
neon tangle
It's almost certainly supposed to say "duration"
sand egret
more avatars mean more TClaps in the window meaning more rage meaning more avatars
neon tangle
i.e. you get the buff for 50% of the normal duration randomly
astral crystal
random 5% health heal too
sand egret
which also begs the question, does that even matter when that proc is causing a 20 second BoM buff to trigger
astral crystal
maybe the leech meme can be put to death
sand egret
that's what I want to know
sand egret
Does this shit proc BoM
sand egret
well i expect it to
neon tangle
would also mean free IPs
sand egret
i just want to confirm this
astral crystal
u WOTE @oblique garnet where is it
sand egret
(also why I think it's gangsta for Bears)
sick sentinel
I want a screenshot
neon tangle
I feel like it's unlikely to go live in its current state
sick sentinel
of memory if lucid dreams
sick sentinel
it's a 3m cd to activate
neon tangle
@astral crystal you obviously haven't seen the BDK version
sand egret
these things are kinda designed to be OP
astral crystal
fuck bdk
sand egret
similar to artifact ablities
astral crystal
mage has one that procs combustion
sick sentinel
increasing rage regen for by 100% for 10 sec and giving you 900 leech
neon tangle
BDK just gets vamp blood
astral crystal
@oblique garnet https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ZlbwOSbG-4V9HjWVpPg0YJvGXkijQR66o6Akv5fp0Zg/https/i.imgur.com/7DTdjel.png
neon tangle
@sand egret It's not bad, it's 30% extra health, 30% extra healing
sand egret
yeah but I mean traits or talents
neon tangle
no
oblique garnet
nono
sand egret
i know there'st hat AM like talent
oblique garnet
I know about it
sand egret
which could give you pretty high uptime overall
neon tangle
It might be good defensively for BDK I suppose, I think you keep the extra health when vamp blood drops
sick sentinel
90% of my depletes are from the dps dying to shit
umbral forge
Late calls you bad
Kaege screams at you and makes you feel worthless
Learn the difference folks
sick sentinel
I don't flame :)))
umbral forge
Did a +15 Siege and mobs got bolstered to 15 stacks and we killed all spotters
sand egret
it's honestly sick for all tanks, but due to the disparity in power between cooldowns, there are definitely those that benefit more
umbral forge
Change back to Tohru
sick sentinel
not happening
π’ π΅ π
tohru is for being sad on the internet
that's what you do
unless you are a zandalari troll
sand egret
that's clearly a boot.
sick sentinel
π‘ π΅ π
4 of the 6 times (now 5 of 7)
that "shoe soup clap" has ever been said in this channel
it's been me
umbral forge
Hell yeah, Late
sick sentinel
π£ π΅ π
umbral forge
Nightborne 4 life
sick sentinel
didn't you race change as well?
sick sentinel
zandalari trolls are the single best race in this game
I wish I had them
you racechanged twice?
warm plinth
I want to know who thought that looked like a cup of tea tbh.
oblique garnet
No
arctic heron
how big are the abyssal seeker gauntlets
sand egret
depends on your hands, i suppose
warm plinth
You can look at them on wowhead in the dressing room. It lets you choose what race and everything to put them on
So you can see how big they'd be for your specific toon
sick sentinel
overcompensating much?
warm plinth
Man's gotta get big gloves to cover his small hands. But you know what they say about guys with small hands don't you?
outer orchid
What's most important for your dps increase as prot? Attack power, wep dps or stats?
warm plinth
Big gloves will be hard to grip things with
arctic heron
yea ofcorse small gloves
warm plinth
Weapon DPS
outer orchid
Thx!
sick sentinel
what do i need to know about tanking normal crucible
warm plinth
Oh yeah that came out today didn't it π
sick sentinel
undone sun
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
sick sentinel
also check tanknotes in #268491842637660160 @sick sentinel
also my war boat stopped functioning for some reason
lol
sand egret
Budget cuts. War took a hard toll.
sick shell
Is there a place I can go to see what gear in my bags would be the best for me to equip for tanking?
undone sun
simming wont get defensive results, which i can only assume they mean from tanking
primal sable
There's a link in the pins to the icy veins gearing section
They can check trinkets there
sick shell
got it, ilvl from what I'm reading :) I first tried AMR but then I saw all the be wary of AMR stuff
lusty grotto
Time to roll the disappointment roulette yet again
Follow this simple rule @sick shell, ilvl > all
As stated in the icy veins guide in #268491842637660160 of course
sand egret
yeah honest just put on your highest ilvl, find a shield and a 1h as high as ya can. If youβre feeling spicy get some prot traits
remote tusk
Are rings still an exception to that?
lusty grotto
For the most part, no @remote tusk
remote tusk
I have a 410 crit/mastery ring and a 405 haste/vers ring. Worth losing 300 haste?
lusty grotto
Yes
sick shell
that goes the same for Azerite pieces? or are traits a breaker over certain ilvl upgrades?
lusty grotto
Not anymore but 1 DC is highly recommended
sand egret
or 99% of shit, for that matter
lusty grotto
Plenty of pieces have it so you shouldn't have too much trouble finding one
sick shell
well that makes things simple :) Like I'll keep my Mythic+ tanking stuff to have 3 BoM but this has been helpful :)
lusty grotto
There's a trait section in the icy veins guide
sand egret
^
lusty grotto
Both for raids and m+
sand egret
time to spin the wheel of sadness...
sick shell
I would say I'm still in the learning to tank stage, kinda needed to raid tank for guild with life and people leaving and I was enjoying it (need to still improve on my mitigation and my rotation). Mythic Tanking is my biggest issue because of the multi target aggro I need to hold
lusty grotto
for reals this time is disappointment roulette time
sand egret
I'd highly recommend checking out the rotation section of the guide, in that case
sick shell
I was doing Waycrest last night and for the life of me I was having issues keeping the aggro on my from one of the witches what were just casting on our healer/caster
lusty grotto
lets see here
gilded iron
warm plinth
Snipping tool is your frand
warm plinth
Eh, depends. I like to highlight text and stuff sometimes, so I don't use the shortcut in those situations :p
lusty grotto
well you can paste in paint
undone sun
sharex is big pog
lusty grotto
but its handy since you can paste anywhere
sick shell
Blade I read it and I know the priority it's just a matter of working on implementing that priority. Came from Fury to Prot (for the life of me I can't get used to Arms lol it feels so slow to me probably because I'm messing things up)
sand egret
0/1 on the wheel
astral crystal
jesus wtf baseless
warm plinth
That adds a step though. If I want to highlight/circle something I just click the button on my taskbar.
lusty grotto
disappointment strikes again
warm plinth
Can someone please tell me that that thing is photoshopped?
lusty grotto
sick shell
Blade I love that quote
warm plinth
Because I really want the leech meme to die
sick shell
it's going on my wall
lusty grotto
yet another bracer
sick shell
to stare at as I tank
lusty grotto
weee
sand egret
damn straight
olive lotus
Just got a 420 butchers block in my chest. Would you replace a 405 vial or 410 rezans? Specifically for mythic plus 15ish keys
sand egret
vial
warm plinth
Just wait, people are gonna be posting SSes of that essence and asking if they should run siphoning with it
undone sun
π€£
warm plinth
FML
sand egret
"does this put me over the Leech cap?"
lusty grotto
replace vial
olive lotus
Ok. You guys donβt mind having 2 proc trinkets?
lusty grotto
not at all
sand egret
0/2 Nim
warm plinth
If they're the right CD length, it's not a problem. You just get to have one for every Avatar.
oblique garnet
both for every avatar :^)
lusty grotto
motherfucker another ToS
warm plinth
Oh he said proc trinkets; I'm stupid
sand egret
0/3
warm plinth
Nim is on the struggle bus today
maiden ravine
ooooo, 45s 70% slow and 10% CDR essence
lusty grotto
good lord, this is gonna be disappointment month
maiden ravine
45s cd, 8s
warm plinth
π’
olive lotus
I just love those big juicy pulls with vial π. But 420 block canβt be passed up I donβt think
warm plinth
Yeah, being able to use Vial exactly when you want it is fun
lusty grotto
block > vial
sand egret
ok at least this last fucker HAS to get an upgrade from this damn chest...
warm plinth
Yeah, block is better.
olive lotus
Ya just canβt control it. Haste proc in general on rezans is better than the strength buff of vial, correct?
warm plinth
Nim, when that lucid dreams thing goes live, we're gonna have to find a Discord plugin that just hides any message containing the word leech.
Shit is gonna be real
lusty grotto
ok look, you're gonna make me say this: did i stutter
undone sun
we have a noxxic filter in dg π€£
lusty grotto
lmao
warm plinth
I have never used a discord bot before.
warm plinth
Well, I guess I have, if you count Jeeves in MPF
sand egret
that was rough
warm plinth
Has to be sucks
undone sun
sucks eyir
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @undone sun
lusty grotto
ok you have said sucks and eyir
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @lusty grotto
warm plinth
lol
lusty grotto
π
lusty grotto
he opens the bifrost obviously
warm plinth
For that matter, wtf does Eyir do
undone sun
a lot
for the most part eyir just ads the brown role
im sure there's a bit more but warden does most of the automated moderation
warm plinth
Oh the vrykul thing?
undone sun
yeah
warm plinth
Ohhh Hymdall is just Warden renamed. I didn't realize.
undone sun
yeh
timid willow
When does one use ignore pain, how bad is it to over lap it with shield block, and how much rage should you be holding, or should you dump it on cool down if u are taking damage
sand egret
^
undone sun
overlapping isn't necessarily a bad thing
sand egret
it's actually really good defensively to overlap
warm plinth
Overlapping is pretty much inevitable unless you're taking no damage and have no reason to cast Ignore Pain.
lusty grotto
tsk tsk thyme teach a man to fish...
timid willow
Asking for a friend, they read it and said they still can't figure out the best time to use ignore pain or how much to prio it
undone sun
guides don't tell you everything π @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
you use ignore pain to smooth out the remaining damage after blocking, so yes you will use it on top of SB
sand egret
SB = mitigation
IP = smoothing
sick sentinel
@gilded iron thanks
warm plinth
Not always on top of it, but it will overlap consistently.
lusty grotto
but the priority is SB as a rage spender
sand egret
Mitigation > Smoothing (unless it's totally not affected, like Magic damage)
sick shell
I figured if you are actively tanking damage, you use it unless it will drop your rage to not let you shield block if you need to hit it
sick sentinel
So like
sick shell
that's what I took away from the guide
sick sentinel
We want the passive of lucid dreams
sand egret
you're spot on Rin
sick sentinel
Like the minor power
sand egret
you want it all the time, unless it costs you SB
sick sentinel
And then we want major of vision
warm plinth
Oh you choose with each essence whether you want the minor or the major?
sick sentinel
You get 1 major and 1 minor
sand egret
they aren't linked?
sand egret
so not MajorA and MinorA
sick sentinel
At lvl 50 neck you unlock the major slot
The essence you put it there has both the major and the minor powers
sand egret
of which there is a choice?
sand egret
within those
sick sentinel
That's your big boy essense
sand egret
so each big boy essence has its own specific major and minor
sick sentinel
Each essence has a major and a minor part
sand egret
or do you choose which big boy AND which major AND which minor
sick sentinel
Nononono let's get this from the beginning
supple plover
All essences have a Major and Minor. There are 2 types of slots you can fill. The first gives you the Major and Minor of the essence. The other slots only give you the minor effect of an essence
sick sentinel
Each essence has a major and a minor power
sand egret
so you can have 2 majors?
warm plinth
Sounds like you get 1 major and multiple minors
sick sentinel
You have 3 slots
warm plinth
But each essence has a major and minor trait; you just only get to actually use the major of one of them
sand egret
so
sick sentinel
One slot gives you both the major and the minor
And the other 2 slots give only the minor
sand egret
Big Boy A has 3 essence, each with a major and minor effect. Of those three essences, you can utilize ONE major effect and the rest are only minor
so our "choice" is which major to slot in
right?
sick sentinel
Yes
warm plinth
You don't want the major of lucid dreams Kaege? It has... π
sick sentinel
You choose minors as well
sand egret
are there more minors than slots per big boy
sand egret
ok here's what I want to know
lusty grotto
totally saw those nudes
lusty grotto
windows key + shift + s and paste here
sand egret
so I can slot that one in and ONLY get the minor power?
sick sentinel
Just replace combustion with avatar
sand egret
if i put it in my minor slot/
sick sentinel
You have 3 slots
1 gives both major AND minor
Other 2 slots give ONLY minor
@lusty grotto I'm on phone
sand egret
ok so between this and Crucible of Flame
I can put Vision in the Major and get that proc
and get the CDR
mortal brook
Then have 2 minors to choose after yes
sand egret
OR I can put Vision in the minor, get the CDR and I'd get the Crucible active by putting it in the major
sand egret
ok gotcha
sick sentinel
When the new raid releases
warm plinth
So basically:
Slot 1 (the big boy he mentioned): Whatever essence you put here will have both Major and Minor active.
Slot 2: You just get the minor of the essence here.
Slot 3: You just get the minor of the essence here.
lusty grotto
yes
sand egret
yeah what I didn't get was that the big boy is just a Major effect of the esssence
sick sentinel
We will probably have only 1 or maybe 2 slots open out of the 3
sand egret
not its own thing
lusty grotto
its both
sick sentinel
Its both
sick sentinel
Yeah
lusty grotto
oh right
sick sentinel
So like at lvl 50 you get slot 1
sturdy seal
@modest kayak
sick sentinel
Lvl 55 you get some stam I believe
sand egret
kk, I think I got it now
sick sentinel
And then you unlock first minor
lusty grotto
ok boys time to roll the pug disappointment roulette
sand egret
I like this system better than I thought it would be like
sick sentinel
So for prog we will only have 1 major and 1 minor
warm plinth
It's basically a variation of the old glyph system. Just fewer slots and each glyph has two possible effects
sand egret
yeah it's a hybrid of the glyph system with a splash of Artifact π
sick sentinel
Oh, you can also change those whenever you can change talents
So rested areas/tomes
warm plinth
Yeah I'm optimistic about it. Seems cool
lusty grotto
oh hey guys i have a screenshot i forgot to share
warm plinth
The only part I'm worried about is balancing all of these :/
sand egret
i like that the essences themselves are deterministic
sick sentinel
LOL
warm plinth
Aren't there titles for both Chef and Farmer?
sick sentinel
So like, back to essences
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
Considering we will have 1 major and 1 minor
warm plinth
Aww, Nim made a new friend
sick sentinel
I would use vision of perfection on major and lucid dreams on minor
lusty grotto
that was the run with the 2 assholes that kept talking shit and fucking up
sick sentinel
Basically be permanently in avatar
lusty grotto
neither were the farmer rdruid though, he was cool
shh kaege don't spoil our secrets just yet
warm plinth
Is there a place where they have all of the essences listed now that PTR is up?
sick sentinel
Wowhead
warm plinth
I thought of that after I asked. Actually my thought was "you moron"
sand egret
eyyyy, none of the ones I want are gated by the raiiddddd
wooooo
that was the one thing I was dreading
sick sentinel
Imagine how much rage you can go through
If you have a chance to refund half your rage everytime you spend it
Basically spamming IP out of it's fucking good existence
warm plinth
We're gonna be back to them T21 levels of rage
sick sentinel
Also every spell has a chance to proc 10sec of avatar
warm plinth
That's so broken lol
sand egret
can you have multiple of the same essence?
sick sentinel
No
sand egret
phew
lusty grotto
guys guys
sick sentinel
And if you are getting refunded some rage
You are spamming not on the gcd
But even faster
Back to fucking 120+apm prot
We're SMASHING keyboards boys
warm plinth
I don't like my keyboard anyway, so smash away
sick sentinel
Also higher ilvls=higher haste as well
sand egret
Visions Major, Lucid and Anima looks sweet
swapping the Anima around per content
like Null for magic heavy shit
or that 8% attack speed reduction on Slow Ass Boss, cuz welcome back Thunderfury.
heck a lot of these seem pretty fun
im into it
sand egret
that pvp one, 45 second cooldown Shield Wall for 2 seconds is kinda swag
warm plinth
Oh that looks sick
sand egret
ooo yeah, the essence I was tipped off early to went from a Tank one to a Healer hahah
warm plinth
Turn you into a fucking meatgrinder
sick sentinel
Big perfection+smol memory, conceptually are fucking SICK
Even if they nerf the numbers
They still sound cool as fuck
And the good thing about it is that it refunds the rage
warm plinth
Yikes, no mention of M+ π¬
sand egret
yeah...
sick sentinel
So you spend it and you vet it back
sand egret
theres a M+ one
sick sentinel
So it goes though AM
sick sentinel
3 of them come from doing every dungeon at +10
neon tangle
@sick sentinel Minor Power: Enemies who melee you will attack 8% slower , and you gain 434 Haste and 15% increased attack speed for 7 sec.
what you're saying is, spec devastator
sand egret
revenge is like that friend who you want to pay but insist that it's free and you're just like...."dude...."
sick sentinel
You might as well spec devastator because you will not have empty GCDs to use devastate anyway
sand egret
i also like the new terminology for these as "beeg/smol"
sick sentinel
And yes sadbox
That will be our third minor
But we are not getting a third minor until super late
sand egret
that's dumb strong on sluggers
neon tangle
Whatcha going to take as your first two?
oblique garnet
I will get all the traits on first week - Myppoo probably
neon tangle
wait, what's the prot warrior version of visions
I mean memory
vision is the avatar proc
sick sentinel
Yeah
There are screenshots if you scroll far up
@neon tangle https://m.imgur.com/w64ADI2?r for dreams
Not my screenshot
stiff gate
the real decision is if the 100% rage gen or the 10sec avatar proc is better for the major slot
sick sentinel
@neon tangle
oblique garnet
ok so
warm plinth
That's gotta be the one in our major slot right?
sand egret
motherfucker.....RNG'd a 415 piece.....got the same fucking piece
sick sentinel
My opinion is : visions major and dreams minor
stiff gate
yeah im thinking the same
warm plinth
Yeah same
oblique garnet
This is fine
sick sentinel
With how much rage you are generating
sand egret
10 second Avatar for sure if it procs BoM im ho
stiff gate
triple bastion with like 60% avatar uptime sounds nuts
warm plinth
Well, assuming those essences stay the same, we'll be seeing more nerfs lol
neon tangle
also honestly, more rage all at once doesn't seem THAT useful, especially when your other one directly reduces the CD too