protection

[lusty grotto]

in versa

and 1.8% 7.2% damage increase for your group

every 2 mins 😢

you can read the icy veins guide in #268491842637660160 @clear charm

[potent anvil]

Isn't it reverse? If you're getting 10% damage reduction from vers, that would mean you would be getting 20% damage increase (the DR is half the value of the damage dealt increase) Or did I misunderstand what you just wrote? 🤔

[lusty grotto]

uhh

yeah i got that backwards

[steel mauve]

Out put is double input

[empty inlet]

what do i do agaist jade fire i always get fuck by the fire dot 😦

[dense flame]

That dps trinket seems pretty strong.

[steel mauve]

Use externals, favor ip, your cd's, and spell reflect nearly on cd

[dense flame]

Think the final tick does ~12k damage

[empty inlet]

i fall over with 9 dots on me but my other monk tank can take 20 dot 😢

[fierce juniper]

@oblique garnet It's about equivalent/slightly worse than an equal item level Rezan's/Butcher's Block in terms of average amount of stat provided, and it's also mastery which I wouldn't want over Haste/Crit in a trinket. It's probably pretty good for damage though since it's on use.
Regardless, I'll add it to the guide.

[soft kindle]

The damage from the trinket is reduced by vers

Which is neat

[sick sentinel]

Storms opened today?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[oblique garnet]

Yeah figured

Time to pray for titanforges on tortollan emissaries

[sick sentinel]

Lol

[oblique garnet]

gotta get that 425 ritual feather

[sick sentinel]

Yea, ok, fucking gl late

[oblique garnet]

i mean

i got a big titanforge in s1

s2 magic is yet to kick in

[sick sentinel]

I need a Tf 425 shield with socket and gonk

[fresh valley]

question for y'all, do you think a prot warrior could be the ranged tank for Restless Cabal? Just using heroic throw/IP?

[clear charm]

@lusty grotto i read the guide on icy veins but isn't it in complete opposition of the meta I'm seing ? Full haste and Crit build

[lusty grotto]

oh

[oblique garnet]

why would you have 3 tanks

on that fight

[lusty grotto]

well haste/crit is a M+ build

and the guide is focused on defensiveness

[clear charm]

Ho yeah your right, I was thinking of mm+

[lusty grotto]

but if you've read it, what was your question

[daring marlin]

who needs a ranged tank

just roll tauren 4head

like on lady vashj back in the day

😛

It's a meme chill out

[clear charm]

Should I just stack all item with haste and Crit without question or cap? For mm

[lusty grotto]

im gonna go ahead and assume you're already geared

[dense flame]

Damn I didn’t even look at how short that tank trinket cd was

[lusty grotto]

or are you gearing yourself?

[dense flame]

1min?? That’s crazy

[lusty grotto]

as in what is your current ilvl

[dense flame]

On demand healing

[clear charm]

Yeah 404 something with a bunch of option if needed

[lusty grotto]

so

go ilvl > all

[clear charm]

Completing 13-14 keys

[lusty grotto]

same ilvl favor haste and crit

that's it

[clear charm]

Well that's simple :)

Thx for the confirmation

[brisk ferry]

I hate this thing, but I gotta use it over a 400 Knot right?

[dense flame]

For the m+ boys in here. Could you see the usage of that and prism for pushing? Or would you still prefer at least a rezan or gore as a secondary trinket.

[sick sentinel]

Jes' is not bad

[dense flame]

Cause 1min self healing pretty nice. Fair amount of it too with minimal harm to your allies.

[soft kindle]

Jes feels bad to use, it's mostly good for giving your group more damage and a bit more dr

[daring marlin]

yeah fuck jes

I felt dirty when I had it on

[lusty grotto]

lmao

this feels like a circle

[soft kindle]

After enough messages it's always a circle

sometimes a bit of an oval

[daring marlin]

ye

[lusty grotto]

honestly im ok with knot/block RAGE/rezan and a diamond for a defensive option

[brisk ferry]

I am down for circles, but I wish this was not a Jes'

[lusty grotto]

but we will see with these new trinkets

[daring marlin]

I want both new trinkets in the raid

[dense flame]

Yeah the dps one will be nice boost for fury.

[daring marlin]

huh

that mastery trinket

seems bonkers for ret too

I'd just need to slip my healers some $20s

[sick sentinel]

@dense flame if the heal trinket doesn't have an extremely bad side effect it would be useful for pushing

[dense flame]

Only up to ~24k group damage

In m+

[sick sentinel]

I can see the use for it

But we'd have to test it because if the heal is not impactful enough, just go prism for a defensive trinket

Itd be an IV/RP comparison basically

i am new to tanking bod - is it wrong for me to ask shaman not to spawn their earth elemental on the first boss? it is taunting the boss and dragging it all over the place. or am i doing something wrong?

Earth ele in a raid?

[soft kindle]

Ele can't taunt a boss

[sick sentinel]

^

hmm

Nor in m+

It's use is to grab aggro off adds/trash

[sand egret]

Dave is so solid

Just takes reaping waves like a champ.

[lusty grotto]

Or necrotic ;)

Dave and the tree amigos, the unspoken heroes of bfa

[sand egret]

I had a "first time resto" shaman in my 10 last night (never did M+ as a healer it seemed). Poor guy was soo timid but real nice. He was all worried for Reaping and I told him to just hit Earth Ele and his reaction was priceless

[lusty grotto]

Man

How could I be as nice as you blade

[autumn pendant]

ask @soft kindle for advice how to be nice guy

[lusty grotto]

I completed some runs last night because I felt like the groups needed them but I was debating hard on just quitting when it was obvious we weren't timing them

Last run I did, I said "sorry, but it's late" and left though

[daring marlin]

blade is a lovely person

[lusty grotto]

Yes

[daring marlin]

TOO PURE

[modern brook]

blade is a facade

u guys know this right

like hes actually toxic af

:^)

[daring marlin]

omega

[modern brook]

thats a big meme blade is v nice

[lusty grotto]

:o

[chilly brook]

Sup guys

[modern brook]

I'm eatinga burrito

[chilly brook]

Nice

[modern brook]

Thanks

[chilly brook]

I’m about to get me a salad

A burrito sounds so good tho

Yikes dude

Meme song just started playing

[wintry holly]

Hello guys!

i just started tanking, how is prot warrior doing in m+?

[chilly brook]

Just fine like always

I mean I’m guessing you haven’t been watching the mdi

[wintry holly]

Never played tank before, so kinda new tbh. i have read on icy veins tho

[chilly brook]

Well welcome to the fotm until we get a damage nerf in 8.2

[modern brook]

how much of the icy veins have you read

[vocal skiff]

410 bandages in the chest

fuck

[chilly brook]

Nice!

Congrats

[vocal skiff]

Is it irony or is there an use for this trinket

lol

[chilly brook]

It’s irony

[exotic spoke]

Spinning wheel of disappointment in 7 hours

[chilly brook]

Or rather sarcasm

[vocal skiff]

And to make matters worse, I got a shrine key lol

[lusty grotto]

Shrine is easy after the nerfs

Shrug

[vocal skiff]

Pugs still struggle to deal with the initiates in first room

[lusty grotto]

also slimeys don't burst now

[dense flame]

Shrine isn’t bad. But people still do crazy shit.

Just like motherlode

[jovial haven]

motherlode is a blizzard meme

"you don't like trash? Here try this dungeon" "Oh by the way, we don't feel like you spend enough time killing trash"

[weary thorn]

so I was just catching up on this chat, yall referring to the sham earth elemental as Dave? Isn't dave the ox statue for brm?

[lusty grotto]

Impostor dave

[jovial haven]

Dave is everything, Dave is everywhere

[lusty grotto]

Eh ml is fine, people just need to know how to do the death runs

[weary thorn]

shit they even got angry dave with invoke nizzy

[jovial haven]

It's not just the death run people have trouble with in there, it's body pulling extra mobs

[modern brook]

IDK

these are some fake excuses

Oh no my retarded friend makes only motherload hard because he doesnt understand aggro ranges

like the dungeon isnt hard

ur friends a retard

🤷

[lusty grotto]

Hmm I don't know if I have had a lot of issues with body pulling

[modern brook]

replace friend with pug

[weary thorn]

best way to pull extra mobs in ML is for someone to take the ruinous bolt trait and doesnt realize it can fire at random unaggro'd mobs

[modern brook]

because after reading thats what we're talkinga bout

[jovial haven]

but i like how they said there's a problem with motherlode, but they don't know what to do, then turn around and say they think we should be killing more trash. Sounds like their excuse not to change motherlode

[modern brook]

ML has no problems

:its just backloaded on difficulty

[lusty grotto]

Fuck blizzard for saying that though

[modern brook]

so like why waste time with the hard trash when u can just get all the easy stuff instead

[dense flame]

All the dungeons are actually fine. But ML/shrine actually require some coordination.

Which was the point

[modern brook]

ML/Shrine require the most M+ knowledge to time 15

I'll give you that

[dense flame]

Which inherently creates more difficulty

For pugs

Who don’t want to coordinate

[chilly brook]

The irony is that everyone is always like “I gotta do at least a 10 each week so I can have a chance at this one item I want” only to be disappointed week after week @vocal skiff

[dense flame]

And just go ham

[modern brook]

imagine relying a 1/week random chance across every dungeons loot table to gear 🤔

[lusty grotto]

I think the coordination required aspect is fine, and I welcome it

[chilly brook]

I mean

[sterile pecan]

recently rolled prot warrior and im trying to get the haste "cap" i have Leadplate Legguards (ilvl 420) and Sharkwater Waders (ilvl 415) just dropped for me.
i was wondering which one of them is the better choice? ilvl > stats?

[dense flame]

I hate pugging ML and shrine simply cause people won’t interupt or do dumb shit. But in a friend group they can be fun

[modern brook]

Imagine thinking that theres a real difference betwen 405 and 410 🤷

[chilly brook]

Imagine not realizing that the chest is just a big old slot machine

[sand egret]

Shrine /ML feel like shit partly because shit like FH/AD exist, imho

[jovial haven]

@sterile pecan

[lusty grotto]

I'm in full on imagination mode

[dense flame]

Ml/shrine feel like pugging maiden tomb

[chilly brook]

** IMAGINATIOOOON **

[dense flame]

Lottery ticket

[sterile pecan]

@jovial haven thank you

[dense flame]

Do you get dps who can do their job.

[lusty grotto]

Yes I too remember that Disney world ride

[chilly brook]

I was more or less referencing spongebob but Disney is cool too

[vocal skiff]

Of course I don't count on the weekly chest for stuff

[lusty grotto]

It was one of my favorite rides :(

[vocal skiff]

But it feels like shit getting shitty gear very often

even though if I understand that's part of the inherent logic of the system

[chilly brook]

Welcome to WoW

[sand egret]

are you geared?

[vocal skiff]

Oh I know

[chilly brook]

Or excuse me

[vocal skiff]

I have been playing since day 1

[chilly brook]

I should clarify

Welcome to modern WoW 🙃

[modern brook]

@vocal skiff whats ur ilvl

[sand egret]

or any loot system

[vocal skiff]

410

[sand egret]

tbh

[modern brook]

How the fuck are you expecting upgrades at 410

[vocal skiff]

But I still need a weapon

[sand egret]

it's just the diminishing returns

[vocal skiff]

my weapon is 400

[sand egret]

welcome to literally any loot system as you approach the upper end

[modern brook]

^

[vocal skiff]

oh I know

[chilly brook]

Blade at least when I saw something that I could use back in the day I at least had the illusion of a chance at it, not this personal loot BS

[sand egret]

oh shush

[modern brook]

^

[sand egret]

it's always been like this

[modern brook]

^

[sand egret]

saying it wasn't

is just silly

[modern brook]

this is why blade isnt toxic

[vocal skiff]

Another alternative could be a 410 with better stats though

It would still be an upgrade

[chilly brook]

Saying that forced personal loot is good is silly 🙃

[vocal skiff]

despite my ilvl

[modern brook]

IDK what to tell you man

[vocal skiff]

A very minor one, but still

[modern brook]

if ur carrot on a stick is a ~2 throughput difference then im sorry you wont find the game fun

thats raw 2, not %

[sand egret]

Mel, I'm in your same boat myself

[vocal skiff]

My carrot on a stick isn't even gear, but it's nice getting cool stuff from time to time

[modern brook]

I mean ur 410 >.>

[sand egret]

but that's also just the nature of being towards the end of the system

[modern brook]

You're literally end game geared

do more m raiding

[sand egret]

you're 10 ilvl off from like perfect gear

[vocal skiff]

I understand that, and honestly, a small rant took bigger proportions than intended lol

[modern brook]

You got ur cool stuff already

[vocal skiff]

I was just ranting against bandages

[sand egret]

so at that point unless you're stacking the deck, you're playing a bad gamble

[modern brook]

Snot even u mel

[chilly brook]

I’m just a salty boi

[sand egret]

to be fair, you rant is 100% legt

as it IS annoying

but such is life

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

But are you a sk8er Boi?

[sand egret]

that's why you make a new tank like me 😃

and start that drip all over again!

[chilly brook]

It’s probably because I’m just cranky because this is my lunch

[vocal skiff]

I do have others as well

Just got BiS 415 shoulders for my guardian lol

[sand egret]

i'm swimming in that endorphin drip haha

[lusty grotto]

I gotta be honest, I just ate wendys nuggets

I'm sorry

[modern brook]

im sorry too

wendy nuggets are fucking sub par

[chilly brook]

Same

[sand egret]

i've been gearing a VDH this weekend and man does WoW feel like crack when you are at that sweet spot in gear

[lusty grotto]

How dare you

[brisk ferry]

how do you go to Wendy's and not get a Baconator lol

[modern brook]

Baconator also sub par

[chilly brook]

How do you go to Wendy’s period

[lusty grotto]

Excuse me, I get 20 nuggets

[sand egret]

Frosties

DUH

[brisk ferry]

that is a lot of nuggets

[modern brook]

kinetic energy @chilly brook

[stark sage]

wendy's has pretty good salads not gonna lie

[lusty grotto]

Yes, delicious

[chilly brook]

Bro I’d rather go to cookout if I wanted ice cream

[sand egret]

if you go to Wendy's and don't get a Frosty (which you dip your fries into) then you're just less of a person.

[modern brook]

while true

[lusty grotto]

Also fries dipped in frosty

Delicious

[sand egret]

I don't like to draw hard lines in life, but there are really only two kinds of people in this world

people who like the Frosty

and monsters.

[lusty grotto]

Just try it

[chilly brook]

Cookout milkshake>Wendy’s frosty

[lusty grotto]

Just take a fry and gently dip it in your frosty

You're welcome

[sand egret]

:chefkiss:

[lusty grotto]

No cookouts in sea Mexico though

[sand egret]

weird ass southerners

[modern brook]

Cookout sounds like a hipster ass mcdonald

[chilly brook]

Sea Mexico lmao

[modern brook]

tbh

[sand egret]

i went there once

[lusty grotto]

Us shipwrecked Mexicans need one

[chilly brook]

Cookout is just cheap food tbh

[sand egret]

it was a profound "meh"

it was great for being hung over

but that was it

[lusty grotto]

Hmm

Hungover food usually gives me diarrhea when I'm not hungover

[exotic spoke]

Mmm alcohol

[sand egret]

not worth the amount of "omg its soo good" i had to listen to on the way there

[chilly brook]

I mean I’m not complaining about getting the same amount of food I’d get with a meal deal at McDonald’s for $3 less

Cookout isn’t that great

But their shakes are good

[lusty grotto]

I would kill for a 5 guys right now I gotta be honest

[sand egret]

can't go wrong with shakes

i'm eating that now, Nim

[chilly brook]

40+ flavors and they’re all pretty decent

[lusty grotto]

Rrreeeeeeeeee

[sand egret]

haha

quite actually, that's hilarious

[lusty grotto]

I <3 5 guys

[chilly brook]

Still though

[umbral forge]

@sand condor tank my key ❤

[chilly brook]

I like how you call me a southerner but I’m from Cali 🙃

[brisk ferry]

cookout is a restaurant? I thought you meant literally having some kinda backyard bbq

[weary thorn]

^

[sand egret]

well cookout, if i recall is a southern chain

[chilly brook]

It’s a fast food chain

[weary thorn]

I was also confused as hell

[lusty grotto]

Yo I need to go Cali one day

[chilly brook]

I mean I go to school in Virginia so yea I’m in the South

Nah you don’t

Don’t do it

It’s a trap

[lusty grotto]

I need some delicious Mexican food from food trucks

[sand egret]

So Cal mexican food is the dream

[chilly brook]

Ok that’s not a trap

The food is 👌🏻

Everything else is a trap

[sand condor]

did someone summon me

[weary thorn]

why not just go to sea mexico, is right there

[lusty grotto]

:)

[sand egret]

who ya think, Vic?

[umbral forge]

Vic tank my key

[lusty grotto]

Nono major that's real Mexico

Sea Mexico is Puerto Rico

[weary thorn]

ohhhhh

[chilly brook]

Street tacos are 👌🏻

[lusty grotto]

I've had Mexican food in Mexico, it's okay

[sand egret]

so, funny enough....Sony refers to Mexico as SEA-Mex

[brisk ferry]

come up here and try a food truck poutine

[weary thorn]

did they just call it food?

[chilly brook]

Honestly depends on where you get food in Mexico

[lusty grotto]

Street tacos ftw

[sand egret]

so that joke has some legs

[chilly brook]

Went to a taco place once and was blown away in Mexico

[lusty grotto]

Err I've only been to cancun to be honest

[chilly brook]

Cancun is tourist so no wonder lol

[lusty grotto]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

It’s actually gone down hill a lot recently

[weary thorn]

Best street food I've had was at a festival in alaska

[chilly brook]

Not even a good place to go anymore

[weary thorn]

reindeer chorizo

[lusty grotto]

Alaska sounds like a nice place to visit

[chilly brook]

Chorizo 😍

[weary thorn]

its a gorgeous place for 3 months of summer

then its westeros in the winter

[lusty grotto]

Lol

[weary thorn]

and winter is the other 9 months mostly

[stark sage]

some of the best street food i had was a food truck in new york making falafel

[lusty grotto]

Yo falafel food trucks are good in most places, I love them

[chilly brook]

Honestly it might sound like hype but street hotdogs in NY NY are 👌🏻

[stark sage]

yeah streetdogs are good

dirty water dogs

[empty inlet]

bursting quaking :puke:

[chilly brook]

Some of them go straight gourmet with what they offer on toppings

[empty inlet]

keys closed

[lusty grotto]

Nice griff

[weary thorn]

🦆 love quacking weeks

[lusty grotto]

Ducks fly together

Oh wait nooo

[lofty cradle]

for traits do I want 1 iron fortress 1 bloodsport or can I run 3 bastio 3 deafening for mid level keys like 10's

[chilly brook]

Duck tastes good too btw

[lusty grotto]

3 bastion

[lofty cradle]

so bastion wins everytime ?

[weary thorn]

duck is a bit too gamey for me

[lusty grotto]

Yeah

And at least 1 dc

[lofty cradle]

ok thanks alot

[chilly brook]

Then again I’ve only ever had duck in soups

[lusty grotto]

You can do 3 DC in low keys np

[weary thorn]

duck flavor can depend a lot on preparation, like venison can

but often its too gamey for my liking

[lofty cradle]

my bastion pieces only have DC as viable option really for other trait

[lusty grotto]

I've never had duck, but I did try alligator, and rabbit rice in PR is very good

[chilly brook]

Bison tho 😍😍😍😍😍

[weary thorn]

DC is fine for stacking @lofty cradle

just gives you more damage after 1st

[lofty cradle]

ok awesome

[weary thorn]

its no huge loss if you have bastion as well

[honest canopy]

Hellu

[oblique garnet]

What is this chef #protection

[weary thorn]

yea man

it is

[lofty cradle]

so TLDR i wanna make sure I have bastion of every piece then I worry about the rest

[chilly brook]

I’ve been inspired by Nim’s outfit to talk about food @oblique garnet

[weary thorn]

Bastion is amazing for prot in M+ without a doubt. You want 1 DC. Then IF for m+ and BFI for raiding

you can stack DC if no other viable trait for more damage

[lofty cradle]

yea so right now I guess im skipping on the one IF

but ill be looking for Bastion + IF

[weary thorn]

yea, that will work

honestly after 1 bastion and 1 DC you are just min-maxing.

Also reason to visit alaska: the halibut fish tacos are dope, and the best unique pizza joint I've been to (both in Anchorage)

[chilly brook]

Halibut 👌🏻

[oblique garnet]

Oh have have you eaten reindeer meat?

[weary thorn]

yes

[oblique garnet]

Its so good on pizza and others

[weary thorn]

yep

agreed

[oblique garnet]

Even on top of bread salted reindeer slices👌🏻

[weary thorn]

oh for sure, thats a thing some of the restaurants do

I think Hook's hotel restaurant did something similar as an appetizer

[chilly brook]

Guys

I think I’m starting to not like chicken

😳

[lusty grotto]

i love chicken

[weary thorn]

like overall, or just prepared one way?

[lusty grotto]

not as much as cow (or pig)

but i do love it

[chilly brook]

Probably just tired of the chicken they have on campus tbh

[weary thorn]

oh yea

for salad you go blackened chicken all day

or a jerk chicken if you can find a low cal option

[chilly brook]

Jerk chicken is so good

Went to Jamaica once

[jovial haven]

bloodsport/bastion/UF or HmC/Vamp speed shoulders from residuum

[weary thorn]

whewd

I mean that 6% nerf gonna tank uf /s

[jovial haven]

yea, but that's a couple months away so i'm not gonna worry about that

[weary thorn]

I put the /s in there though. 6% is negligible

how much BoM you got already?

[lusty grotto]

i thought those were traits

why is UF there

[jovial haven]

2 BoM cus helm is engi helm

UF - Unstable Flames

[lusty grotto]

o

bastion/uf forever

[weary thorn]

^

I'd stick with the optiion that keeps you at 2 bom at least

[lusty grotto]

blizzard please make other names, we need different acronysms

[jovial haven]

with those shoulders it keeps me at 2 BoM

[lusty grotto]

yeah that'd be fine

[jovial haven]

next residuum buy will be 415 helm

[lusty grotto]

no need to stress over it, engi helm is a great option

[jovial haven]

yea, that's why i went with the shoulders this time

[sand egret]

hmm theorycraft time:
So, Bastion of Might reads: "Avatar increases your Mastery by 566 for 20 sec, and instantly grants you Ignore Pain." and the new neck ability in 8.2 is "Major Power: Your spells and abilities have a chance to activate Avatar for 8.0 sec. When the Vision of Perfection activates, the cooldown of Avatar is reduced by 15%.".

Question is....when this procs for 8 seconds.....does this ALSO proc BoM for 20 seconds??! Depending on the proc rate.....we can potentially have BoM bonuses rolling when Avatar isn't even up.....

similarly: does this also produce a free IP whenever it procs?

🤔 🤔

[lusty grotto]

it probably does

[chilly brook]

Prolly

[lusty grotto]

which is why they said it would increase the value of BoM in the podcast

[sand egret]

Going.To.Be.Fun.

[weary thorn]

and isn't it possible to have Ava uptime at like 45% in that scenario? Which could extrapolate to an even higher BOM uptime

[lusty grotto]

yeah

AM + that trait will be godlike

which is why the nerf was needed

there's no reasonable way we could have that trait without a nerfed UF

would be flat out fucking broken

[weary thorn]

too much synergy detected, fun levels off the charts nerf those pathetic fucks

[chilly brook]

I mean ‘member when sloot said that we were getting gutted?

I member

[lusty grotto]

lmao

yeah griff

[sand egret]

with this neck dont worry I'm sure our fun levels will rise...

i'll take this beauty and that UF nerf ANY day

[chilly brook]

Now we just gotta make sure that all the normies think we’re getting gutted so we can get rid of the fotm bois

[lusty grotto]

sloot just hella jelly

[sand egret]

I was just thinking about this for MI on bears

and i'm like....wait

MI is just bootleg BoM

[chilly brook]

Sloot is a DH main who’s salty that he can’t play it

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[weary thorn]

Holy Shield and Stagger just got fixed

[lusty grotto]

but hes getting buffs so

[chilly brook]

I mean I don’t blame him tho

I’m salty that DH is borked and it was just an alt for me

[lusty grotto]

8.2 PTR is up

btw

[sand egret]

oooo

[lusty grotto]

yeah its kinda sad the state VDHs are in

[weary thorn]

start the 65 day countdown to 8.2

[sand egret]

I'm excited for those buffs

[chilly brook]

So 62 days before I even consider coming back

👌🏻

[lusty grotto]

i did like VDH tanking more than any other tanks

in legion at least

[weary thorn]

62 on the low end, but possible

[chilly brook]

But hey I’ll be outta college then

[lusty grotto]

not more than prot though obviously

[sand egret]

i'm havving a blast on my VDH

feels like playing the game in hard mode lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah im not

gonna level my vdh until 8.2

[chilly brook]

Mine is 120

[lusty grotto]

dunno

i mean i could just to get her ready but still

[chilly brook]

I just can’t put myself through the pain of trying to gear it

Ha get it

Pain

[empty inlet]

Just do 10

[exotic spoke]

Is that the prediction..... everyone swapping to VDH?

[chilly brook]

Ha

Ha

Doubt it

[empty inlet]

Paladin is a way safer choice :)

[exotic spoke]

I think we’ll be fine lol

[lusty grotto]

😩

[sand egret]

I'm doing pretty swell gearing thus far

[cinder pasture]

Im not in a fotm world first race guild. Why bother swapping 😛

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, but then I have to play a paladin.... god I can’t do that

[chilly brook]

Vengeance was in a pretty decent place in legion and no one mass swapped to it for m+

[lusty grotto]

fuck swapping

[sand egret]

the funny part about Veng is....its' the Leech meme spec

[lusty grotto]

hey

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much nimchip

[lusty grotto]

guess my DH's name

[empty inlet]

Leechip

[sand egret]

^^^^^

[exotic spoke]

That would be good

[chilly brook]

Venchip

[exotic spoke]

If it’s not I’m disappointed

[modern brook]

Badclasschip

[chilly brook]

Zuaniavelez

[lusty grotto]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/arthas/zuaniavelez

[chilly brook]

Wtf

[lusty grotto]

you all are wrong!

[modern brook]

nah i was right

[exotic spoke]

What? I don’t get it

[lusty grotto]

lmao its the only char that doesnt have nim or chip in it

its a name

[chilly brook]

I was right

Scroll up

[warm silo]

Guys

What trinkets are you using for m+?

[chilly brook]

The ones I got

[sand egret]

man aint wrong

[exotic spoke]

I was hoping for a good pun

My monks name is kungfuriki

[lusty grotto]

riki you wont get it, its a joke for us shipwrecked mexicans

just google zuania velez

[modern brook]

thats a bad pun riki

[exotic spoke]

What, it’s not a pun lol

He knows kungfu
My dks name is deadriki
my DHs name is demonriki
My horde warrior is probablyriki.
Notice a pattern?

[modern brook]

no

[exotic spoke]

And no, none of them are above 110

[weary thorn]

should have been protablyriki

[exotic spoke]

Ohh fuck I should have been that. Damnit

[weary thorn]

you still can for the low low price of fuck that shit paid directly to actiblizzion

[chilly brook]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[exotic spoke]

I have told. If I played that toon enough I would

[runic plume]

actually he has to buy the name from me first now

then pay blizz after

[lusty grotto]

we can just mass report your name... does that still work?

waow

so rude

[runic plume]

jk but some people do that to streamers right?

[lusty grotto]

yeah heh

[chilly brook]

I mean I doubt it does much tbh

[runic plume]

runescape has a pretty big problem with people stealing/selling names its crazy

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, I’m on a merged server. I tried to get Riki on the other one and some other guy had it already

[chilly brook]

No one has my name 🙃

[runic plume]

like if your name is JohnCena on draenor i would have my account on lockdown for sure

[lusty grotto]

i mean its the name of a dota2 hero

[exotic spoke]

I had it before Dota2 was released. But yeah I get it.

[stark sage]

it was a dota 1 hero

[lusty grotto]

dota is pretty old

[stark sage]

which came out before wow

xd

[runic plume]

oof riki in dota is he still op

[exotic spoke]

I’ve used this before wow :p

[stark sage]

just sayin

@runic plume riki is only OP against noobs

or that one patch when he was overbuffed

[runic plume]

i am bad

i remember playing and he would come 1 tap me in teamfights

i think void was less cancer than him

[stark sage]

depends on skill level

but #off-topic

[runic plume]

true

[lusty grotto]

dota existed before wow riki

[runic plume]

just curious i havent played dota in ages maybe 5 years ago

[exotic spoke]

I had the name before wow too. I’m old >.>

[lusty grotto]

dota was a warcraft 3 mod

did you have it by then?

[exotic spoke]

I know. Yes I did - used it in Starcraft

[lusty grotto]

sue blizzard, case closed

i mean valve

[exotic spoke]

And shooters

Lol

[stark sage]

kind of pointless of a conversation, the point of the matter is, its a popular name popularized by dota, people gonna steal it pretty easily

[lusty grotto]

yeah

pretty much

[exotic spoke]

Yeah true. But it’s MY name lol

[stark sage]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly brook]

But no one steals Griff Galmore 😉

[stark sage]

just go with xXrikiXx69420

[weary thorn]

identity theft is no joking matter! My uncle was killed by riki-who-was-not-riki and now I dont know who to swear a blood oath against

[chilly brook]

Oof

Let’s not go back to the awkward Xbox Live 360 era names

[weary thorn]

needs a sWaG in there

maybe as a clan name

[exotic spoke]

And a 360

Or a 1337

[chilly brook]

Bro

I’m hype

Halo on pc wen

[stark sage]

having intentially awful names is the best way to tilt the enemy

imagine getting dusted by xXrikiXx69420

[chilly brook]

Nah the best way is just to be kind to them

[exotic spoke]

In the more modern era I liked the trolling of a name “Xbox off” or whatever

[stark sage]

i also like the single question mark response

?

[lusty grotto]

guys you need to keep up, nowadays its NameTTV

[stark sage]

^

[runic plume]

jesus christ

[chilly brook]

One tap someone on a quick peek on Siege and just be like “nice try man, you’ll get it next time”

[runic plume]

name+ttv tilts me

[lusty grotto]

TTVrikiTTV

it triggers the shit outta me

[exotic spoke]

Why TTV? I’m old and can’t keep up

[lusty grotto]

who the fuck is gonna go into your stream

[exotic spoke]

Ahh ok

[lusty grotto]

twitch tv

[chilly brook]

Twitch tv

[runic plume]

twitch tv meme

[exotic spoke]

Yeah as soon as you said stream I got it

[chilly brook]

Although guys

Twitch is dead

[weary thorn]

ligmaNimChip.ttv

[chilly brook]

Pewdiepie endorsed Dlive

Get with the times

[runic plume]

isnt pewdiepie permed from twitch

[exotic spoke]

Meh

[lusty grotto]

Plays APEX
everyone has TTV
win games because TTV people are mostly horrible

[chilly brook]

I don’t think he’s banned from twitch

But he signed an exclusivity deal with dlive

[exotic spoke]

Big bucks probably

[lusty grotto]

ill continue to support twitch

its included in my prime account anyway

😉

[exotic spoke]

I don’t even like pewdiepie

[chilly brook]

Which is an interesting site from a design perspective btw

Streaming on the block chain

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[chilly brook]

PDP isn’t for everyone but I mean I love his content

[lusty grotto]

all he does is see memes from his subreddit

[exotic spoke]

I feel he panders to a different demographic I don’t fit

[chilly brook]

Plus the revenue split for dlive is way better than anything else on the market

[lusty grotto]

500% i would watch a random starting in GTA RP over him

[weary thorn]

yung dab is my hero

[lusty grotto]

i dont like ninja either

[chilly brook]

Doctor disrespect is my idol

🙃

[lusty grotto]

both pew and ninja 😦

i have a DrDis shirt

[exotic spoke]

And that’s fine, but it’s not for me

I don’t know much about Dlive, but from a marketing stand point it would have to have a higher split to attract streamers over twitch. Otherwise I feel twitch has a larger market share and this even a low split would be more successful

The dr and shroud are top

[lusty grotto]

yeah shroud is good but sometimes it gets boring

[chilly brook]

That moment when you realize that the Doc is the Ric Flair of gaming

[exotic spoke]

I also like admiralbahroo

[chilly brook]

@exotic spoke it’s a 90/10 split

[lusty grotto]

let me see my current follows here

[chilly brook]

90 to the streamer

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, that’s better than the best twitch one. But it has to be with how the market is imo

I had never heard of dlive until you brought it up

[chilly brook]

And it basically works like a crypto, audience can earn the currency by watching streams

It’s extremely interesting

Idk how sound it is

[lusty grotto]

Lirik, drdis, buddha, chocoTaco and TSM_Viss atm

[weary thorn]

lang is hilarious

[chilly brook]

But it’s interesting none the less

[exotic spoke]

Can’t watch lirik. Though I may have triggered him in an overwatcg match years ago

[lusty grotto]

yeah i cant watch him a lot anymore

but he does okay GTA RP

[chilly brook]

Idk how he’s super popular tbh

[exotic spoke]

Got in a game against him and spammed a twitch channel in game for one of my teammates.

And then went to his chat. And did the same thing. I wonder if he banned me lol

He said he reported me to blizzard lol

[lusty grotto]

i like Viss, Anthony Kongphan and Cohh are my favorites

not super popular

but really good relaxing streams

[exotic spoke]

Cohcarnage is good. I feel like you’d like admiralbahroo then nim

[chilly brook]

Cohh is great

[lusty grotto]

well Cohh is kinda popular

[chilly brook]

I like his quick 5 minute “this is my thoughts on the game” videos he posts

[lusty grotto]

i can only watch him when im working remotely though 😦

[weary thorn]

well tbh, I'd have banned you from my stream too given that riki

lol

[chilly brook]

I’d ban you too

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[exotic spoke]

Oh I don’t fault him for that

[chilly brook]

But just because you’re Riki

Not because of anything else

[exotic spoke]

I thought it was funny at the time. He was getting really upset about it in game lol

[lusty grotto]

lol

that's just rude though

[exotic spoke]

Part of the game (any competitive game) is getting people off their game / tilted.

[chilly brook]

Truth

[exotic spoke]

I will play to any advantage I can in a competitive situation

[chilly brook]

That’s why I’m a toxic boi in siege

[lusty grotto]

yeah you pulled a michael jordan

[exotic spoke]

Yup.

[weary thorn]

sure, but streamers view that as poaching and attacking their business. When you go into his channels chat to harass, it goes a bit further than mind gaming for a win

[lusty grotto]

what game was this though

[exotic spoke]

True - and if he banned me from his channel, I honestly don’t fault him.

Overwatch comp

[lusty grotto]

ah

[umbral forge]

@sand condor just told me: "Hey jett, did you know? Leech is worth 25 ilvls after the latest hotfix"
Is this true?

[exotic spoke]

Like early in Ow. Before they reworked comp ranks

[lusty grotto]

listen jettom

im gonna be real with you

[sand condor]

(:

[lusty grotto]

its true

[umbral forge]

OH NO

[lusty grotto]

JK its not

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

screw you 2

[weary thorn]

Leech has been top stat all along

[sand condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/567355140265345045/unknown.png

[lusty grotto]

🖕 all around

jesus christ

this is why notre dame burns

[exotic spoke]

I mean, the biggest issue isn’t even highlighted

[lusty grotto]

too soon?

[weary thorn]

cathedral didnt have enough leech to survive the fire

[exotic spoke]

The fact that he’s nightborne

Nah nim let me send you something

[lusty grotto]

noooo

i feel bad about it 😦

LMAO

[exotic spoke]

Like that?

[lusty grotto]

oh god

[exotic spoke]

Is that too soon?

[lusty grotto]

yes

lol

[exotic spoke]

But funny lol

I didn’t make it - but I can appreciate it

[old night]

is their any loot in crucible worth bonus rolling for

i haven't peeped the loot tables too much

[slow kiln]

Should I use 415 Jes'Howler over 415 Alch trinket? Other trinket being Rezans 410.

[warm plinth]

No.

[astral crystal]

i think the trinket looks pretty good

[slow kiln]

Or replace Rezans and use both 415s

[warm plinth]

I would use Rezan+alc

[astral crystal]

the loot looks better for m+ than it does for raids tbh

[old night]

rezans alc

[weary thorn]

@slow kiln I'd default to using 2x 415s, but in the case of the rezans I'd sim yourself

[old night]

rezans jes howler is good too

[weary thorn]

simming will answer your question better than any of us goofballs in here

[old night]

rezans is way too strong to not use imo

and its only 5 ilvl

shit i used a 400 rezans and a 415 jes for a while until i upgraded it

[slow kiln]

Sims dont take survivability into account tho

[old night]

^^

[warm plinth]

Actually that brings up a good question

How does the APL use Jes

[weary thorn]

yea, you sim for damage. If you are relying on trinkets for surv then you need to work on other things first

[warm plinth]

Because if it's on CD, then Jes is gonna be shit. And I don't know how it would sim for having 4 targets nearby

[old night]

...what

[slow kiln]

Lol...

[warm plinth]

But I guess they could just make it simt he full buff

In which case you'd have to take it with a serious grain of salt because it's very unlikely you're going to use it perfectly every time.

[oblique garnet]

Wait hold up is this the first time today that protection is not offtopic?

[warm plinth]

Is it? I just got here.

[weary thorn]

@oblique garnet we answered questions earlier, you missed them

[old night]

agreed @warm plinth on the sim stuff

[oblique garnet]

I was making dinner smh

[lusty grotto]

it hasn't been too bad today

same as every day pretty much

[warm plinth]

Jes doesn't line up for shit and you have to put in a lot of effort to use it well. I don't think it's even a choice. I'd use Rezan + Alc with zero thought.

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much. Go on a tangent and then circle around

[weary thorn]

are we actually arguing over the useful qualities of simming gear

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah we talked about jes

like 3 times today lol

[old night]

agreed @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

I'm arguing that not all trinkets sim properly because of how they're used. Jes is a prime example of that.

[old night]

yup

[lusty grotto]

and to repeat what others have said

[warm plinth]

And even if it did magically sim higher than the other two, I still wouldn't use it because you're not going to use it perfectly each time (and it won't sim higher since haste is WAY better than vers for DPS)

[lusty grotto]

you use it for the group's benefit for the most part

[jovial haven]

wonder if that makes it better

[old night]

i also can not see how a 5 ilvl difference would make someone want to disqualify using rezans

[exotic spoke]

Eh, I run howler and diamond most of the time

But, I’ll probably use vial (410) and howler (socketed 415) for non progression bosses / easier things

Cant get the proper on use trinkets

[old night]

do you not have a rezans

[weary thorn]

hence why I suggested simming it over saying to just go straight 415s

[exotic spoke]

Not at an appropriate Ilvl

Also, I want two in use trinkets - ideally at 1.5 minutes CD

Not a proc trinket

[oblique garnet]

Do you ever make dinner and just completely forget how to correctly measure the rice so you dont make too much?

[warm plinth]

Make 4 cups 😏

[weary thorn]

rice and I dont get along, so I rarely cook it at home

[primal sable]

Get rice bags

[old night]

easy check for water level boys. dump rice in pot, fill with water until the water level rises to the first knuckle of your index finger

perfect rice every time

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i was watching tv when i poured the rice in so i made enough for entire platoon

[warm plinth]

lol

[sand egret]

I want the trinket that can let me kill my dps

[warm plinth]

haha

[sand egret]

This is the point when Blade will actually raid

[exotic spoke]

Ditto bladesong

But you have to raid before you get the trinket to get the trinket

[sick sentinel]

Jasmine white rice

[sand egret]

"Oh, don't waste your mana on that almost-dead-with-greivous dps...."
uses trinket, kills dps
"see, now you have all the mana to use for ME"

[old night]

jasmine is all i buy tbh

[oblique garnet]

Jasmine white rice with chicken sweet chili sauce👌🏻

[exotic spoke]

Ha!

[sand egret]

I'm trying to talk about killing dps over here and ya'll be going on about rice

[oblique garnet]

Sweet chili or hot chili are both good

[sand egret]

Priorities, people.

[sick sentinel]

Jasmine white rice with roast beef is big pog

[exotic spoke]

If I’m currently the off tank due to tank swap mechanics..... I’m hunting low health dps on farm content

[sand egret]

If I pop Avatar, does it do extra damage to DPS?

[sick sentinel]

imagine trying to take warlock fantasy

what are you, a demon Hunter?

[exotic spoke]

Hrmmm maybe? What about trinkets too?

[sand egret]

I'm just enabling Ret pallies to do their maximum damage

[exotic spoke]

IE is it increased by versatility

[chilly brook]

Where’s @old night been?

[sand egret]

I invited another Ret from Rag last night. He was not like my Brazilian Jesus.

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[chilly brook]

I need recommendations on a personal camera

[sand egret]

Hopes were high.

Hopes were lost.

[old night]

i am here

hello friend

[chilly brook]

Oh hi

I need recommendations for a personal video camera

[old night]

budget?

you're american right

[chilly brook]

I’m thinking a cannon m50

Yea

Like up to $1,000

[old night]

video or photo? or both

[chilly brook]

Both ideally

More focus on video

[old night]

blackmagic pocket cinema 4k is titties but its like 1200

[chilly brook]

Dang bro that’s a nice cam

[sick sentinel]

I love titties, you should buy it

[old night]

RAW 4k? worth saving a little more

[chilly brook]

4K is nice but it’s not my priority tbh

More looking for something to start off a side business with that I can use as a stepping stone and learning platform

[old night]

here ill pm you so i dont get yelled at for going OT

[warm silo]

I need some help here

Cant decide what trinkets to use in m+... any help?

[chilly brook]

K

[sand egret]

@warm silo first, did ya check the guide? Second, can't help ya without know what trinkets they are.

[neat lagoon]

is it beneficial to stack BoM x3?

[sand egret]

yes.

very.

[warm silo]

Ive got almost every trinket in the game

[neat lagoon]

would you drop a Brace for Impact to do so

[warm silo]

at this point

[sand egret]

if you are in M+

yes

well then Dutten, ilvl matters

so which are your top

[warm silo]

Ive got the 400 opulence one, 400 gleaming eye, 400 jaina trinket, 400 vial

[oblique garnet]

Jaina rezan

[sick sentinel]

gleaming vial

[sand egret]

Op and Rezan

imho

or Jaina for the deeps

[exotic spoke]

If you need survivability use the diamond

[sand egret]

for Op

[sick sentinel]

I knew u were going to pick those late

[warm silo]

400 crit trinket aswell

[sick sentinel]

I just wanted to be opposite you

[sand egret]

Basically, Rezan is stupid strong

[exotic spoke]

Why the vial hate?

[old zephyr]

Rezan Block ?

[sand egret]

Op for defense and Jaina for M+ offense

[sick sentinel]

anchor does absurd dps

[exotic spoke]

Also yes, rezan is super strong

[sick sentinel]

no hate on vial

[sand egret]

Anchor is very, very strong if you're in an AoE-heavy environment

Vial would be my pick for ST raid stuff

[warm silo]

Ive got the waycrest one aswell and the 415 alchemy trinket

[sand egret]

if you don't wanna go defensive with Prism

[warm silo]

ah okay

[exotic spoke]

415 alchemy should be used imo

[neat lagoon]

also is stacking Earthlink or Strength in numbers better? I have the option of getting x2 of either or?

[exotic spoke]

Purely on an Ilvl basis. Then decide if you need survivability or not. If you do take the diamond if not I’d say rezan

[sand egret]

i'd say earthlink

but the difference is not gonna make or break ya anyway

[neat lagoon]

my Surv isnt an issue

so ill go Strength

[sand egret]

?

Earthlink is the dps option

Strength is ONLY for survival

[exotic spoke]

Ryan - my comment wasn’t toward you

[warm silo]

How much haste does a prot warrior need?

[neat lagoon]

as much as u can get

[sand egret]

need?

[exotic spoke]

It was for Dutten

[sand egret]

no definite number, but its really good

[sick sentinel]

Until u reach 100%, get more haste

[neat lagoon]

I just finally got a az piece with Scheming on it XD so happy

[sand egret]

what prot-trait are you not using

[exotic spoke]

@warm silo you should prioritize haste on equal Ilvl pieces. do not sacrifice Ilvl for it

[sand egret]

is the question

[warm silo]

@exotic spoke okay thanks

[neat lagoon]

i have 1x Deaf Crash, 3x Bastion, 1x Iron Fortress, and 1x Scheming

i dropped a Brace for Impact for the scheming

[empty inlet]

[warm silo]

One more question: what is the best azerite traits for m+?

[sand egret]

check the guide

it's all there 😃

[warm silo]

Link?

[sand egret]

in the #268491842637660160

(also has a trinket list, fyi) 😄

[warm silo]

which one?

[empty inlet]

Where is trinket list for dungeon 😬

[sick sentinel]

U could use trinkets
If ur a coward

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel you should hate vial the pvp version is alot better

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet i dont

im loggin in right now

to see my warrior gear from the chest

pogU

because that's right

i'm back

fury loot spec though 😦

[modern brook]

vial more like vile thing, begone from my trinket slot

[empty inlet]

I got 410 shield indestructible in my chedt

No more paying for repair in boost Pog

[chrome grove]

Got a 410 Rezan's with speed today, felt real good to replace my 370 razdunks

[warm plinth]

Nice

[outer dew]

is there attunement for crucibler?

@warm plinth @sand egret

???

[warm plinth]

Nothing I've read about yet

[oblique garnet]

yes

[daring marlin]

the xalatath quest takes like

2 seconds

go do it

[sand egret]

only for you

[oblique garnet]

theres a quest line

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah that

[oblique garnet]

gives you ap

[chrome grove]

account wide or personal?

[sand egret]

if its short enough prob personal

[warm plinth]

I would guess account-wide since that's the trend, but it is a pretty small quest line

[chrome grove]

Right but isnt it reliant on there being a naga wq up?

[sand egret]

hmm good point

yeah I dunno

[outer dew]

it is for alliance

[sand egret]

should be for both

[outer dew]

i see it

[last gust]

Starts from a drop, from the Naga invasion world quest, yes

[outer dew]

and you only have to kill adds

[sand egret]

I haven't done it myself

[outer dew]

don't actually have to finish i believe

[last gust]

Personal questline that ends with a "Kill X thing in new Raid" quest for that character.

[strong forum]

whats the avatar essence in 8.2 again?

[warm plinth]

It's the one that affects Avenging Wrath in the Sloot post

[modern brook]

istn there always a naga wq up?

[oblique garnet]

pretty much

[ionic fern]

Crucible of the Storm is up on Tanknotes!
It will be updated with class specific information soon.

[modern brook]

the only time i havent seen one was when i finished it

[vocal skiff]

Is it truly an attunement or just the path to get the questline to kill the end boss

[stone cloud]

I got 410 marikthas 😦

[lusty grotto]

wait

mwahi

do you manage tanknotes too?

why did i think it was someone else

[oblique garnet]

Classic hype?!

[lusty grotto]

late smh

[oblique garnet]

Im ready to just give up on live

[lusty grotto]

when is classic coming out anyway

[oblique garnet]

Soon™

[lusty grotto]

ok so basically oct/nov

[oblique garnet]

90 days

12 hours

[lusty grotto]

mm

i wonder how armory will work for it

or if it will work at all

probably not because of "ayyy my immersion"

[stone cloud]

Top of org bank was the armour

Armory

[lusty grotto]

sorry, i was alliance

[stone cloud]

Or the bridge outta ah in IF

[lusty grotto]

so basically IF

[stone cloud]

Ya

[chrome grove]

Cant wait to see the Idol trinket get nerfed because there cant be any true tanking trinkets in this game

[stone cloud]

They actually bugged it omegalul

From 200%-250%

Buffed

[potent anvil]

Meticulous scheming fixed/buffed. My 2x MS setup is huge. Around 33% uptime from like 20%.

Getting 100%+ haste as prot. Feelsgood

[neon tangle]

@potent anvil I thought I was crazy with how bad my uptimes were

[oblique garnet]

pog

so its time to switch from 3x DC

[potent anvil]

@neon tangle Yeah, it was pretty bad. But it was decent. Now it's really good

With bloodlust, MS proc and rezan, I hit like 140% haste lol

[lusty grotto]

🤔

hmmm....

[strong forum]

gamers 🥂

[neon tangle]

that font

hurts me

[potent anvil]

2x MS at 420 gives 1648 haste. It's

[strong forum]

should use comic sans

agreed

[lusty grotto]

time to get a new helm then